The Nature of Nibiru
Val: Here's another question that was submitted to me:
"You mentioned that
the Lemurians and Atlanteans were extraterrestrials and you also mentioned
Nibiru. Tell us about Nibiru and its role and relationship to us in this
Alex: This is what I have been told about who those connected with
are. A very long time ago, colonies on Sirius B and the Orion Group were
having trouble with each other. In order to bring peace, there was a
marriage between two members of each group.
The woman came from the
Group, where the hierarchy includes a queen - the matriarchal paradigm. The
male was from Sirius B. Both members were considered royalty of their
respective line. When these two came together in marriage, their offspring
had the genetics from both lines.
Because of these genetics, the new race
that was created was given the name "Nibiru", which I am told by
the Orion tongue means "divided amongst two". This is who they literally are
- a cross between those from Sirius B and a race from the
Orion system. They
formed a new "tribe" which has continued to flourish for at least hundreds
of thousands of years. So, they are a tribe that has become a race.
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Getting Down to Brass Tacks
Val: In terms of everything that is going on right now, here on January 12,
1997, and all the scenarios, possibilities, probabilities, potentials, the
Andromedans hanging out in the solar system, the political situation the way
it is, the Hale-Bopp complex on its way, what is your gut intuitive feeling
about the progression of upcoming events. I mean, we probably have dozens of
scenarios at this point, in addition to the various probabilities those from
the Andromedan system have presented. What about the next 12 months?
Alex: I do. I think that the end result is that everyone on the planet,
especially here in the United States, will be re-evaluating the idea of
self-sufficiency. I really see that people will finally realize that we have
to learn to live together and help each other. Now, how do I see us getting
there? I think that what is going to be happening very very soon is that
there will be severe racial problems in this country.
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Control Factions to Synthesize "Racial Problems" to Distract Population
Val: And these "racial problems" will be deliberately instigated by factions
within the government of the United States in order to produce instability,
in order to encourage the population to give up freedom for control.
Alex: Absolutely, because the idea of "racial problems" will mask all their
other transgressions and screw-ups, basically.
Val: All the drug dealing, etc.
Alex: Of course. You can blame it on somebody else or just create a scenario
that gets everybody's attention away from what is really going on behind the
scenes. They are very good at this. I think that is going to happen. I also
see a very severe "correction" in the stock market, and I know that they
have predicted food shortages, but I think they were off by a year. I think
its going to be this summer in 1997. I really do. What I really feel at the
same time, Val, is that a lot of people are going to be dealing with
Val: In terms of realizing how factions within the government have betrayed
the nation for so many years?
Alex: Yes. I think that the people are going to realize that they have
really placed their faith in the wrong place for a long time, and I think
the people are going to be overwhelmed with how to get out of it and fix it.
You know, when you add into this the paradigms of extraterrestrials and the
truth about most of the world's religions being archaic dogmatic systems
created by a priesthood...
Val: It's one hell of a wakeup call.
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The Year of the Turning Point: 1998
Alex: Yes. It's going to be wild. I think by this time in 1998, January
1998, we are either going to be coming together as a group of people, or we
are going to be preparing for civil war, and I just don't know which way it
is going to go yet.
Val: Is there a possibility that an internal civil war would be prevented by
an outside party?
Alex: I don't think so.
Val: Since the hierarchy on this planet is ultimately controlled by
reptilian factions, would all the efforts toward increasing racial tensions
be geared and controlled in order to make the prospect of Draconia takeover
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Prejudice and Racist Perspectives Learned from Extraterrestrial Source
Alex: Well, we're pretty much in chaos already without needing any
additional help getting there. Most people I know are living in chaos. They
have no idea what they are doing or who they are. They think they're the
person on their "drivers license", so I think that I think that the planet
is already in the space of severe vulnerability, but here's the thing.
take that same scenario. If you yourself wanted to conquer a race, or you
wanted to prove to other races out there that humans are not worth bothering
with, you would stir up the pot as much as you could and get the population
to war against itself. Let's face it, prejudice is an extraterrestrial
Val: Do you mean that literally?
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Attempt To Use Our Own Free Will Against Our Interests
Alex: They said that we on earth have learned the concept of prejudice from
the Orion Group who were here. When they were here, we watched how they
treated other races and groups. So, we have just propagated that.
line is, if they do create severe racial tension on this planet.....you may
hear about it on the news or read it in the newspaper, and this is just an
example, but in order for you to go out and actually harm another soul, you
have to consciously make that decision.
I think what they are going to try
to do is use our free will against us. In other words, they are going to try
and convince us that this is what we need to do, and instead of people
separating themselves from that idea, they are going to buy into it and try
to manipulate the situation so it will appear to other benevolent groups
that might want to help us that we are not worth helping.
Val: But, I would think that the
Andromedans and other peaceful groups would
know that the regressives would try this tactic...
Alex: Well, they probably will know it. I know they know that, but the fact
of the matter is, if we move down that path and we don't ask for help, they
will not intervene.
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Opening the "Can of Worms": Analysis of Concept of "Request for Help"
Val: Well, the idea of "asking for help" opens up an entirely new can of
Alex: Well, I know.
Val: Personally, I don't see it happening, because I don't see enough of
whomever getting it together to make a difference. I think the fact that our
race has been betrayed by others both inside and outside our race is known
by the Andromedans and other beneficent races.
And, the Andromedans and
other races in
the Andromedan Council know that this planet has been
manipulated psychologically, chemically, biologically and otherwise to the
point where the common neurological functioning of the human brain in the
general population is so dysfunctional that a common consensus is not
possible with a large number of people at this time in a direction of
spiritual intent that would allow assistance to manifest itself.
is no possible way the Andromedans or anyone else out there could not know
how deliberately messed up the human brain has become and how the
possibility of general intent has been thwarted. My question is, in knowing
that, why would they then say, "we'll come and help you if you ask us," when
they fully know that we cannot do that as a population?
Alex: Well, I don't know that they know we can't ask.
Val: They know our whole history holographically about all the things that
have been going on here with the perversion of the human neurology and the
historical interference with the capabilities of the population in terms of
intent. For example, the process of water fluoridation interferes with the
hippocampus, which in turn interferes with the ability to challenge tyranny.
This is why the Germans and the Soviets used fluorides, and it is why the
U.S. is one of the most heavily fluoridated countries on the planet. Now,
the Andromedans know that this is going on, and that's just the tip of the
neurological iceberg. So, in knowing that, they would still say, "we'll help
you if you ask us?" I find this interesting, and somebody has to ask this
question. There must be a missing piece here somewhere in something they are
Alex: Well, I don't know what it is.
Val: The whole question is just a logical question to me.
Alex: I can't defend them, and I don't know any more than that. This has
been their message.
Val: I'm not even asking for a defense of the
Andromedan perspective. I'm
exploring the logic of the situation and how you feel about the possibility
that somewhere in there they must know about all of this, that the only
option left for them, if they in fact do want to help, is direct
intervention, knowing full well that a manipulated population cannot
collectively ask for assistance.
Alex: Well, here's the thing, and this is my own opinion...
Val: That's what I'm asking for...
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Andromedan Council Will Intervene: Collective Intent is Still Vital
Alex: Ok. Here's the thing. My gut instinct is, from all of the interest
they have had and the time that they have spent trying to figure out who we
are, is that they will directly intervene, but they are not going to come
right out and tell us that they are. They need at least some of us to take
responsibility in the asking. Do you follow what I'm saying?
Alex: For example, if you were in trouble and you knew that I was going to
come and help you, no matter what happened...
Val: There might be a tendency to sit on your butt and do nothing.
Alex: Right. Would you change your behavior any?
Alex: Well, most people on this planet wouldn't. How many people know that
the CIA is involved in drug trafficking, for example.
Val: The number of people who are eclectic enough to really understand what
is going on here on this planet is very small, far below the morphogenetic
field threshold that would magnify intent to an acceptable level.
Nevertheless, if the general betrayal of those in power becomes magnified to
a large enough extent, then the consciousness of the general population
would be magnified to some extent, but the trick is to get the population
not to turn on itself. That's the trick, and I would like to know how we're
going to pull that off. Now, correct me if I'm in error, but I am hearing
you say that the Andromedan Council is going to intervene...
Alex: Actually, Val, they already have to some extent.
Val: And they will continue to do so.
Val: What you then said is that the
Andromedans would like to perceive at
least an effort on our part, to form some general intent in the direction of
requesting assistance, over and above the fact that they are in essence
providing assistance anyway. In terms of "asking for assistance", is it a
thing like standing in the back yard and looking up and the sky and saying "Andromedans,
please help us"?
There is a saying that "when you pray you talk to God, but
when God talks back you're considered schizophrenic". It was comedian
Tomlin who said that. I guess at this juncture, the question would be, if
this is what the Andromedan Council would like to see, some sort of minimal
demonstration of intent, how would that intent best be assured of
manifestation considering what we have to play with here?
Alex: They would need to see that
intent expressed in the form of mutual
respect for each other.
Val: So, in other words if they perceive, on whatever sensory format they're
using, that a certain percentage of people are getting their
inter-relational act together, then they will assume that in fact it is
equal to the intent of the entire planet to move in that direction?
Val: Could it already be at that point now, or almost to that point?
Alex: Yes. I believe it is almost to that point. It is why they are here now
in the first place. But, they are not telling me the degree to which the
intent has reached this point. But, I believe its almost there. I think it
was Vissaeus who said, "It is imperative to have mutual respect for a healed
planet." They use words so carefully. The word "imperative" tells me that it
is an absolute.
Val: I am addressing these questions now in this way and in this manner
because everyone who has read all this material and listened to your
exposition of the Andromedan perspective, as well as parallel paradigms,
have these kind of questions raging in their minds. Somebody has to ask
them, and that's why I have.
Alex: That's fine. I'm Ok with it.
Val: The question of the logic of what appear to be all-knowing people
asking for people to ask for help who cannot ask for help might not have
occurred to some people, but it occurred to me, and I felt it needed asking
- and an answer.
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Concept of the "Rapture" Psychologically Dysfunctional
Alex: There was a time back in 1986, just before I left Malibu, where I was
having a talk with the Andromedans about religions, and I remember
specifically that Vissaeus was very curious about religions. I was on that
particular day picking on Christianity a little bit, and I had told him that
there were a lot of people on Earth waiting to be "raptured".
understand what the word meant, and I explained that it meant the process of
being caught up and taken to heaven. I remember that he looked at me, and
asked, "where is this heaven supposed to be?", and I said, "it's a place
where there are angels, and God is sitting on the throne", you know, the
classical definition of what heaven is supposed to be like, and he just
looked at me and asked, "many are waiting for this to occur?".
"yes". He then said, "this is extremely dysfunctional."
Val: He always has a way with words...
Alex: For all I know, he may have taken that little bit of information back
to the Council and.... well, they have some protocols that have to be met.
Val: What are you getting at, exactly?
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Hypothetical Events Changing Planetary Consciousness
Alex: Maybe the intervention that is occurring is being done in such a way
that it satisfies all of the concerns of those in the Andromedan Council,
also giving us the highest probability of coming to self-awareness as
quickly as possible on our own.
Val: Would you care to give a hypothetical example or scenario, based on
what you just said?
Alex: Let's say that Neil Armstrong went on national television and revealed
that there were other races on the moon when the Apollo astronauts
there, hypothetically, and that they gave us a message not to come back to
the moon, and they we were to stay on our world that they created for us.
Remember, this is a hypothetical example. Now, that would shift the
consciousness on this planet so much that it could never be returned to its
former state. What that would do is that it would launch us as a planetary
population into a totally different direction. We would look at religions
differently, archeology differently...
Val: So, in the same spirit of hypothesis, based on what is really going on
now, and your gut feeling, could you hypothesize a scenario relative to a
hypothetical planetary realization and its subsequent planetary effect?
Alex: Are you asking me what events do I see that could happen that would
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The Most Probable Order of Transformative Events to Come
Val: Let me rephrase the question. Combining your gut feeling and what you
know, in terms of the highest known probabilities, what type of planetary
transforming events of that hypothetical nature are most likely to occur,
considering current events and trends?
Now, as a guide, you had before given
a listing of events that had a high probability of realization during the
next ten years. You may have given some thought to those probabilities,
based on your own knowingness, and come up with a prioritized list of what
may be likely to occur before other things on that list that may have the
same effect as the hypothetical analogy you talked about with the Neil
Alex: Ok. These are some of the things that I feel that are absolutely going
to happen, according to my gut instinct, very very soon. At the top of the
list is the acknowledgement of life outside of our planet in the solar
Val: It would be a really large stretch between a public announcement of
bacteria on Mars and that type of realization. Your feeling must be based on
the idea that something else is going to happen beyond any kind of media
Val: Would this "something" be related to
Alex: Yes. Hale-Bopp and other things.
Val: Other things?
Alex: Other sightings. That's at the top of my list. The second highest
probability is the proof of dimension, that there is "life after death" and
that the soul does not cease to exist.
Val: What might prompt this realization?
Alex: That, I don't know. But, it is within my gut instinct. The next would
be the introduction of "free energy".
Val: This is already happening as we speak, to some degree.
Alex: Yes. These guys are literally being forced to have to do this.
Val: To do what?
Alex: To move things along. They can't keep us in petroleum products because
its destroying the environment.
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Transnational Corporations Now Stuck In Their Own Mess
(After Losing Planetary Hideouts)
Val: Why should the transnational corporations start caring about that now?
Alex: Because they still need us.
Val: As "consumers".
Alex: Yes. If you kill everyone but yourself, what game is left?
Val: But this is presuming they have a long-term plan. Surely they know that
this long-term plan or anything they could come up with is going to be
punctuated by things that would in fact destroy the entire transnational
corporate economic structure.
Alex: Well, here's the thing,
Val. They had a plan. My understanding is that
the plan was to colonize the moon and then go to
Mars and start a new
society and civilization.
Val: This is a plan that was arrived at by the
World War II Germans.
Alex: Correct, based on information that they were given by
Val: Who are..
Alex: The group comprised of rogue Sirians and Pleiadians. Now, they spent a
lot of time and a lot of years, and a lot of energy, putting that plan
Val: I remember when the Apollo program was well under way, and
and the rest of the ex-Nazi rocket scientists were involved. One of
Braun's dreams was to go to Mars. After they went to the
moon and discovered
what was there, suddenly the official public program was shut down, the
Apollo program was canned, the Nazis were put out to pasture, and the public
was convinced to think that planetary exploration was abandoned in deference
to solving social problems on earth.
Or, that's what the public was
persuaded to think. Meanwhile, the covert program of planetary exploration,
in league with some alien extraterrestrial groups, proceeded. That's the way
I understand it to have happened.
Alex: Right. They built structures and complexes on the
moon and on Mars,
and the program continued up until February/March 1989. At that point, it
became evident that everything they had done was for nothing, because they
were attacked by the Orion group, who came into our solar system and
destroyed the earth bases on Mars.
Val: And all of these occurred at the end of the
Alex: Of course, it was during this period where
Reagan addressed the UN.
Val: Yes, with the speech about "what if we were attacked by a force from
Alex: Right. So now, what they realized is that they have allowed the
corporate octopus to destroy the environment, but now as of 1989 they're
stuck and they've got to come back here and live in the "shit" that they
helped create. They can't escape to some other planet now. Now, they have no
choice but to start to fix some of the problems here.
Val: But, now they've got a larger problem looming in front of them. It's
their worst nightmare. The thing that they tried to do to us is being done
to them. How ironic. Meanwhile, the bulk of the population has been just
sitting here and has never realized that all of this has been going on.
Alex: Exactly. I'm sure they thank God for television...it keeps people fat,
dumb and stupid.
Val: I just bought an interesting book called "Four arguments for the
elimination of television". It's a pretty thick book.
Alex: I bet they're all strong arguments.
Val: Yes, they certainly are.
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Vissaeus: Creating A New Reality and Different Way of Life
Alex: Well, they're not going to eliminate it. It's not going to happen.
There are a couple more things I wanted to cover here. I was having a
conversation once with Vissaeus once about the idea of creating a new
reality and a different way of life here. These are some of the thoughts he
"Create another domain of knowing, communicating and being. In other
words, the domain of calling forth or generating your intent needs to be
more distinct. Your physics, as you call it, is a good example of this
There have been men on your planet who have called for
new domains of thinking that never existed. They invented it, and they
didn't fantasize about it. They didn't pretend. They literally created a
new context for what you now call physics. Your humanity is strong
with these kind of examples. No being, however, makes the distinction
that this is what they are. I would like to give you an example. Your
(concept of) human rights.
It isn't so long ago that there was no such
concept on your planet. It didn't exist. Your terrans did not have any
rights. Only their kings and priest had their rights. But most of you terrans did not have any rights. So, you and other
'human rights' from nothing.
You created the domain that created
the 'human rights' and then you called it forth. You created language
for it. You communicated it. And this communication that you gave had
power, because it was full of intent. It has the power not only to
represent and to invoke, but also to literally bring it into being.
is what your races need to do in order to clearly know yourselves
and transform the quality of your lives on your Earth."
Val: That's helpful.
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Andromedan View of the "Astral Plane"
Alex: There is something else I wanted to share with you. When I first
started talking with him in 1985, there were a lot of questions that I had
regarding the astral plane, or "ghosts" and things like that. So, this is
dealing with what most metaphysicians would understand as the "astral plane",
and those who inhabit it:
"Their reality is one of collapsed consciousness and personal belief
systems. They cannot any longer expand in consciousness. They believe
they cannot awaken until they are worthy...
Val: This is interesting, because it dovetails a lot with what
had to say in his book Far Journeys.
"And this worthiness comes only from within, and it must be experienced
in their own laws. They are stuck in consciousness. We would suggest to
them, if they were to ask for assistance, that it be important to burn away
all the religious images, otherwise truth becomes very filtered and
squeezed, and you only get a little piece of that truth, and not all of it."
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Andromedan View of "Truth" on Earth At This Time
"Truth, on your planet, is a filtered experience understood only through
your personal belief systems or concepts. We have discovered that
everyone on your world has a different truth, and there have been
cultures-of-truth in every society or civilization.
It has kept a continuum
of light here on your planet. The truth is not told to everyone because
everyone, we feel, is not ready to hear it. There are some who have, and
would take your truths and but them in a box, and then keep their lives
detached from it.
The problems is that much of your mankind is taking
these truths personally instead of seeing it as an objective truth or
reality. They would take this truth and make it very egotistical in order
to glorify themselves and others, and as we perceive, and through our
own experience, a truth is not meant for that at all.
They would then
create a religion or some kind of dogma again, something which they
could remain detached from, yet glorify in the eyes of others. And a
truth has nothing to do with your earth religions. The secret, wondrous
nature of Spirit has nothing to do with your religions.
You are all
multi-dimensional. Think that way. In order to think that way, your
Terns should turn the way you understand and perceive yourselves
and life inside-out, and make all of your belief systems abstract, not
Because of your personal attachments, you have cut yourselves
off from universal knowledge. You have to have an objective mind to
gain true knowledge. You have all cultivated the attitude of a subjective
The Is-nests does not live inside of all of you, and if you won't
conceive of or believe in your own divinity, how are you going to make
the leap into the next levels? How are you going to attract and magnetize
true, unconditional respect and love, to you, without thinking in this
If you do not participate, you will only be a spectator. You will
not watch or participate in the plan for growth and evolution in our
galaxy, and not truly experience it yourself."
Val: Could you define a non-personal belief system in terms of what was just
Alex: A belief system not based on personal experience. What I have learned
is that personal experience is really the only true basis for knowledge that
Val: So he's saying that belief systems, if they exist at all outside
personal experience, should be considered to be only abstract in their
Alex: Yes, that's right.
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More on Civilizations in Various Star Systems
Val: Changing areas of discussion, could you give me more information in
terms of star civilizations that you have not yet released to the public in
general, on the basis that no one has yet asked this specific question.
Alex: There are planets in specific star systems that I know. There is a
small star called Centaur where there is plant, insect, animal and human
beings that exist in a setting that would be considered to be equivalent to
our Middle Ages. Another star is Krugerko. The planets in this particular
system are full of minerals. There is silver, platinum, as well as
plutonium. In the system of 61 Cygnae, there is planet and animal life, but
no colonies as of yet.
Val: What about the beings on
Alex: There is a race of beings on
Sirius A, the humans there, are called
the Katayy. They are considered benevolent. There is also animal, mammal and
aquatic life on the planet. Many of the human races there are red-skinned.
Their ancestry is some of the first Lyraens that escaped with the women and
children during the war. In their oceans they have whales, octopus and
sharks. They are a race that is artistic. They have music and are connected
to nature. They are builders and not very political. Their governments are
based on "spiritual technology", which uses sound and color.
Val: And Sirius B?
Alex: The cultures around
Sirius B have a very controlling vibration. Some
of the humans are red, beige and black-skinned. The planets around Sirius B
are very arid and are generally occupied by reptilian and aquatic-type
beings. Palm trees originate from the Sirius B system. The society is more
obsessed with political thought patterns instead of spiritual attributes.
Val: And Sirius C?
Alex: It is now just being terra-formed, so there are as yet only very small
Val: Has Morenae ever talked about the planet that the U.S. military has
conquered after using Montauk technology to transport themselves there?
Alex: He did, and I have that, but I haven't been able to find that in my
notes yet. As soon as I find that I will get that data to you. Ok, around
the star system of Procyon (right -
there are planets occupied by 23 billion human
beings in five solar systems. That's all I have now. I'm still going through
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The Nature of Andromedan Music
Val: What about Andromedan musical composition and the nature of their
Alex: What they do is as they are traveling, they
will record solar systems holographically, or the planets individually, and they take the holographic
sound patterns relating to them and blend them with other sounds of other
planets, suns or galaxies. They create their music from this.
Val: It is literally
music of the spheres.
Alex: Literally, and I have to tell you
Val, there is absolutely nothing
like it. It's like the most incredible orchestra you could ever imagine, but
it makes your soul vibrate, it really does. It's so profound.
End of Interview (1997)
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