More on the Magnetic Color-Sound Frequency
Subsequent to the publication of the
Ets and the Global Connection in
Leading Edge #89, we did an interview with Alex Collier in order to ask some
followup questions and try to gain further insight into the paradigm
involved. The following is the result of our interview.
Val: One question that arises as a result of analysis of the material in
your Dallas lecture involves a further exploration of the concept of the
magnetic color-sound frequency emanating from black holes. In your Dallas
lecture, you said that this particular activity began a short time ago.
AC: I don't know that I know much more than I've already said, but I'll go
through it again. According to Morenae, on March 23rd of 1994 a color and
sound frequency apparently started emanating from the black holes. It is of
such a high vibration that it is literally invisible to us. It is not,
however, invisible to those in other dimensions or to those who are
technologically advanced enough to be able to register this energy.
they have said all along that the universe that we physically see is only 21
billion years old. The space in which our universe is in, which is only one
layer in many dimensions which they call "consciousness", is a 21 trillion
year old holograph.
This new frequency which is coming out of the 3rd
density black holes spans the entire range of the holograph of the universe,
and its is literally creating a new holographic idea. They are calling this
new holograph "the 12th", and they have said to me that it is literally
bringing all the dimensions together. Third density is beginning to implode
Val: Drunvalo Melchizedek at one time in the
Flower of Life discourse made
some statements on what he thought people might objectively see when a
dimensional interface was in progress. I mean, the physical picture that
people would observe when this was happening. Do you have any ideas about
this, or have the Andromedans stated anything about this? Would there be
objects appear that have unusual colors, or things that appear and
disappear? Have they ever told you what to expect, beyond the increased
appearance of ghostly phenomena as time progresses?
AC: Well, certainly they have said that, but in their opinion the closer we
get to fifth density, we shall see that. In their perspective,
density is a consciousness. This is one of the blinds of metaphysics that is
being taught here on Earth.
AC: It's a misteaching.
Val: Please explain.
A Misteaching In Metaphysics
AC: All right. Fourth density is a unified
consciousness. As we move into
fourth density, we will become more in tune, not only with the Earth, but
with each other. We will know something is going on without having to look
at television or listen to the radio. We will start to feel it, and we will
literally have conversations "in our heads" with loved ones long gone or in
other parts of the world. It will be confirmed that what we call
"daydreaming" is a real occurrence.
They said that this is going to happen
more and more as we get closer to fourth density. Many of the children under
the age of 14, as we go into fourth density, are going to start speaking
ancient dialects, and have no explanation as to how they know it. Children
and adults will be discovering archeological sites all over the world. New
inventions will come out of nowhere.
People will be able to draw
sophisticated diagrams. Many racial memories embodying extraterrestrial origins will start to come up as a result of the genetics that each one of
us carries. Certain memories will start to come up, and they have said that
some of those memories will not be "ours", but instead have their origin
within the genetics that have been "attached" to us.
Val: By these 22 extraterrestrial races that have had a
part to play in the evolution of the human body?
AC: Right. Now, this is occurring already, and so many people are angry.
Much of the anger that is coming up in young people is because some of this
DNA is "unlocking", and they don't know what to do with the energy, because
third density is compressing.
Val: Well, then, what would one advise teens to do?
AC: The Andromendans never really got into this area. I'll have to get back
to them about this, but I am certain it will have to do with setting up a
"system of expression".
Val: Most probably. I know that culturally this society is lacking in viable
systems of expression that have been thwarted by technological "evolution".
So, a perceptual change where one sees bizarre visual things would not occur
until we begin to go into fifth density?
AC: Yes, we will first start to see what we think are
ghosts or spirit
guides. Some of us on the planet (and there are already five who can do
this) will be moving in and out between fourth and fifth density almost at
They will be able to teleport to different places on the planet.
talking about hundreds of thousands of people. If they're right, this will
mean we'll be going through some remarkable shifts. If they're right.
Q: Getting back to other planets and other societies, what would you like to
AC: There is so much life out there. There is an abundance of life. There is
apparently plant and animal life on the planet Uranus
Val: But it exists at a different frequency.
AC: Yes, and some of it is identical to what we have on
Earth on this
General Trends of Humanoid Races in the Universe
Val: How about humanoid races and societies, in comparison to us? The
society on Earth has a manipulative base historically grounded in the
system. What about things on the opposite side of the coin? What is the
"norm" in space societies, insofar as you are aware of?
AC: Well, the "norm" is definitely "light". You know,
self-responsibility. The thing in that is going on in our particular part of
the galaxy, which includes 21 systems, concerns the idea of tyranny. What is
interesting about this is that the area in which this tyranny is occurring
is a very very old area. It has been colonized for a long time, and it has
been under control of some of the oldest races, like the Alpha Draconians.
They were the first race to have space travel in our galaxy and were
remarkable builders, but their species multiplied so rapidly that they
decided to conquer other races to make room for them. Our race, the Earth
human race, was literally created by a group that came down from a
dimensional realm, and these were the Paa Tal. This verbal expression called
Paa Tal is actually of Draconian origin.
Val: So in actuality the genetics comprising the human body are a composite
from around the galaxy, but the spiritual entities occupying human bodies
are literally the Paa Tal?:
Val: So, are there any Paa Tal occupying
AC: I don't know.
Val: That would be an interesting twist on events. If there is a huge
time-loop, maybe the reptilians actually came from "now", and swung back 4
billion years and started something there.
AC: Interesting. Anything is certainly possible. So, anyway, how the humans
in this galaxy apparently found out about the Paa Tal was that somehow they
were able to get a hold of ancient Draconian records. Now, the
apparently extremely private about their lineage and their history.
Everything's "a secret". They have family "houses" of lineage they are very
Val: Sort of like the Klingons on Star Trek.
AC: Probably similar. Anyway, they found out about the
which speak of a time where a group of beings came out of "nowhere" and
created a race to war against and challenge the Draconian sovereignty.
Val: Of the universe?
AC: Well, no. We only see a small part of the universe. Even if you look at
the part of the universe we can see physically, they say there are 100
trillion galaxies. So, the Draconians are not everywhere. There are a lot of
them here, and this is one of the areas that is causing a problem.
General Observations on Andromedan Society
Val: What have you observed about
AC: Well, I will give you the most striking things. They're incredibly
happy. There is a peace, tranquility and humbleness about them as a race
.... it's more of a feeling... an emotion. They are not like us. Morenae is
the only one who has gone to the trouble to physically learn how to use
spoken language. Vissaeus has always been telepathic. The others do not
talk. They just watch.
Val: You probably feel like you are "under a microscope".
AC: You can "feel" them listening to your mind, but they don't infringe.
Val, it's very hard to explain. Let me give you an example. If you knew
somebody was spying on you, and you went about your daily business mowing
your lawn and throwing the trash away, you would be ignoring them even
though you knew they were spying on you.
That's what it's like. I don't have
a problem with that because I know that they're trying to learn about us.
Many of the ET's hold us in awe, and they are fascinated by us. The thing
that fascinates them the most about us is our extreme range of emotion. They
are awed because emotion is such an incredible creative force.
Val: Albeit coercively misdirected.
AC: Yes. Now, the Andromedans themselves are not very emotional. In other
words, you can feel their emotion, but when it comes to expressing it, they
all appear to be very stoic.
AC: They don't show it.
AC: I mean, they are very straight-faced. It's like they are "all business"
even though you can sense the emotions. I remember when I first started
having contact and I was taken to a place where there were Andromedan
children, who moved away from me because I was Earth. Now, the children are
taught about the different worlds and races, and because of the Andromedan
holographic technology, it's easy for them to create environments where
their children really know and experience what Earth humans are like.
Val: Well, what are they like amongst themselves?
AC: They are very much like us, except that there is always absolute
silence. The children are not real expressive. They don't run and jump
around all the time. They have a lot of self-control. When they do run, they
don't bend their knees, like the Japanese or Chinese. There is a lot of
smiling, but there is not deep laughter. It is as if you were going to a
Val: What is the pairing like in relationships?
AC: Well, there are three sexes. Male, female and
androgynous. What is
interesting is that the androgynous beings tend to be teachers. In the
middle of their mother ships there are huge parks. In the ship I was on, the
park was 25 miles square.
Val: Can I safely assume that they do not have a social "power structure"
because they exercise personal self-control? They don't need an external
political power structure?
AC: I have never seen that. No. There is what we would call a "science
team", that can also move into a military role if it needs to. The
Andromedans go to school for over 150 to 170 earth years, and they are
taught all the sciences, arts, and everything. They participate in those
fields, doing the actual work, while they learn.
Then, they have an
opportunity to teach what they've learned to the young ones. The oldest and
wisest teach the youngest what they know. They express this concept as the
"law of consistency." The young ones gain the benefit from most of the
knowledge of the entire race.
Val: Do they consume food?
AC: I have seen them eat fruit, which they grow on the ships, but for the
most part all I have seen them eat are little green tablets. It's kind of
like an alfalfa tablet, but it has a really wicked taste. I volunteered to
eat it, and Morenae cautioned me
against it. I took half and tablet and chewed on it and immediately threw
up, right there on the ship. He told me it was because of the oxygen that
was in the tablet.
Val: Do they have blue blood?
AC: Yes, they do.
Val: So, that would mean their blood is copper-based?
AC: Correct. You are the first person to ask me that.
Val: So, they must come from a binary star system.
AC: Yes, they do. They say quite a few of them are binary systems.
Val: And our system here is binary, but on a different frequency where
Jupiter is a sun on the fifth density?
Val: So, on a different density, our Sun might not be a sun, possibly?
Val: Well, what is our
Earth in the fifth density. It is already there on
the fifth, or is it a transformative process from the third?
AC: Right now, the
Earth in the fifth density consists of a huge blue halo.
Val: So, on the fifth density, Earth is a "budding creation" ready to
manifest itself into physicality?
Val: So, what else is interesting about Andromedan society?
AC: In everything they do, nothing is ever wasted. In other words, all of
the things they do involve education. It's almost as if everything they do
is geared to "stretch" them more, challenge them more, and make them a more
intelligent, more understanding, aware race. What is really interesting is that they are
absolutely not competitive in any way. It's something that comes from each
one of them individually. All of their social functions are focused on
education and not distraction.
Val: Whereas the function of
our society is exactly the opposite. No wonder it's going nowhere. Do they have any kind of pseudo-religious structure within their
society, or is it simply an appreciation of the "is-ness" of the universe?
AC: I have never seen any activity like that. It is as if they are "plugged
in" all the time. There is just a serenity that is part of the race itself.
I think it was Paul the Apostle who said, "always be in prayer." That's what
it's like. It's like they're always "in prayer".
Val: You said one time that their eye change color when they think or
AC: Their pupils change color. They tend to slant a little on the inside and
outside, but for all intents and purposes they are round. It's like a cross
of the "round-eye" and the oriental eye.
Val: That must be fascinating to watch.
AC: Well, I had a lot of trouble with it in the beginning. I was so focused
not only on their eyes changing color, but with the flashes of color on
their forehead between their eyes. I was so involved with this that I wasn't
listening to what they were saying to me. They would have to repeat it over
and over. They didn't understand why I wasn't paying attention to what they
Val: How tall is the average Andromedan?
AC: I have seen them as tall as nine feet. Morenae is about seven or eight
feet tall. He says he weights the equivalent of 450 of our pounds.
Val: What is the shape of their skullcase?
AC: Just like ours. I have seen some of their very old females, where the
skin gets whiter, and the skullcase tends to be elongated in the back. Most
of the males look similar to us. They are all hairless.
Val: You must be quite a fascination for them, then.
AC: I have given quite a few strands of hair away.
Other Races Associated With Andromedans
Val: What other races do they associate with?
AC: They are very close with groups from
Tau Ceti and from Cygnus Alpha. The
group from Cygnus Alpha know a great deal about acoustic technology. They do
a lot with sound.
Val: Photonic sound technology and optophotonic technology, here on
are becoming part of the mind and behavior control program here.
AC: Some of those from Cygnus Alpha are here on
Val: Are they interfacing with the Earth groups dealing with this
AC: No, they are totally isolated in very rural communities. They are over
1,400 human Et's here who are only observing that will be apparently leaving
in the next couple of years.
Val: In order to meet the August 2003 deadline set by the
AC: Yes. Many of the planets in the
Andromedan system have water. Some of
them are totally covered by water, and they live on the surface of the water
and below these oceans. The dolphins that we have now on Earth are
apparently a cross between a mammal from the Sirian system and one from the
Cygnus Alpha system.
Val: What races have the
Andromedans talked about to you?
AC: The Pleiadians, the Lyrans, the
Arcturians, the Ciakars ....
The Draconian Royal Line
Val: Who are the Ciakars? (Pronounced See-kars).
AC: The royal line of the Alpha Draconians.
Val: The reptilians. Are those the ones that have the wings attached to
AC: Yes, and a very long tail.
Val: Ah ha. The pseudo-Biblical devil image.
AC: Yes. The Ciakar.
Val: I knew of their existence and what they looked like, but I never knew
the name of the race until now. Interesting.
Ciakar are in fact a different race than the Alpha Draconians
themselves. The ones that we know as the Draconians are a sub-race of the
Other races mentioned by the Andromedans have been those from
the systems of Sirius A, B
and C, where some planets are now
the Zeta Reticulan system,
Zeta 1 through 4
the Dals (the brown Greys)
the Dows (the white Greys)
groups from the system
in what we call the constellation of Sagittarius, the Mintakians
from what we see as the constellation of Casseopius (who the
credit with saving their race at one time)
Tau Ceti, the Alpha Centauri
the Venaticians from the
Canus Major area
Val: It is curious why, when they would mention different races to you, they
would bother to translate a multi-million light year difference in
perspective relative to the way humans name Constellations, so as to
pinpoint the origin of various races.
AC: They did it to accommodate me.
Val: There are a whole collection of species in all these areas. Besides
assisting people here to understand that the universe is highly populated,
what other purpose can this detailed information as to origin provide? It
does have a tendency to confuse people who are still grasping at the idea
that we are not alone. It could be overkill.
The "Rescue Mission"
AC: I understand that, but we're kind of under a time crunch here on
My understanding is that the reason they gave me information regarding these
races is that many of us have had experiences in these races in space. There
is a hope, perhaps, to trigger unconscious memory in humans here on Earth.
Also, many of these races are involved in the rescue mission.
Val: Rescue mission?
AC: The mission, if need be, to rescue us from either ourselves or
destruction. A Mystery in Andromedan Logic?
Val: I thought the basic concept was that we didn't need to be "saved" from
anything - that how everything turns out, from the Andromedan perspective,
is already a "done deal". We eventually "pass the test" and after 2003
everything is fine and the regressive tyranny is stamped out. I presume that
is what is being inferred is that it is already a "done deal."? I mean, that's what is being inferred, isn't it?
Val: Well, if that's the case, how does one figure in this other propensity
or thought pattern on the part of the Andromedans? I am trying to balance
the two in my mind.
AC: I wrestle with that one myself. I honestly don't know. Apparently,
certain things are predetermined but other things are not, and their might
be a time where they need to come in and help us.
Val: That time would presumably be before or after August 12, 2003?
Galactic Interplay Behind the Scenes
AC: Or, around August 12, 2003. Many of these groups here are the ones who
will be involved. The Tau Ceti group has wanted to invade this planet
already and go after not only some of the regressives, but more importantly
factions of the United States government. Apparently, one of the Tau Ceti
race was shot down by the government and taken somewhere at an underground
base in North Dakota where he was tortured.
His organs were removed while he
was still alive, one at a time. It was earth people that did this. Now, this
Tau Cetian is a human being, and some of the Pleiadian and
literally had to step in and prevent the Cetians from coming in here and
trying to protect this person.
Val: What other kind of interesting interplay has gone on behind the scenes
lately? There are apparently a lot of skirmishes going on.
AC: A lot of it has involved the Pleiadians and the Greys. To my knowledge,
it hasn't moved beyond those two groups going after each other. The Greys
are trying to get out of here. I was told about a situation which occurred
about two or three years ago. I was given information that a 21 mile long
craft was seen leaving the equator from under the ocean.
The Tau Cetians,
the Pleiadians and a group from Zeta Reticuli I, who were not
Self, formed a triangular position to block this craft which was trying to
get off Earth and evade the quarantine the Andromedan Council is trying to
establish relative to alien races visiting the Earth.
Anyway, they captured
the craft, which belonged to the Dows (large white-skinned
Greys). They were
able to board the craft and they found 8,700 hybrid children.
Val: Human hybrid children.
Val: They were trying to get the hybrids off the planet even though the
whole hybrid program is a lost cause?
Captured Human Souls
AC: Well, there's more. They also found more than 1,000 human children that
had been placed in cryogenic stasis, and over 1,000,000 of these little
boxes that contained the life forces of souls from Earth.
Val: Captured human souls.
Val: And what do they do with these
AC: They feed off the energy radiated by the
souls. What they are doing,
Val, is that they are taking the life force and they are somehow siphoning
it off a little at a time and feeding it to the hybrids in order to keep
them alive, trying to keep them alive and create a soul in them.
Val: Meanwhile, what happens to the soul in the box?
AC: Morenae did not want to answer that question. The 1,000 human children
that were taken off the craft were then transported to the Pleiadian system.
The decision was apparently made that they could not come back to Earth
after this experience with the Greys. I do not know what happened to the
souls that were in those boxes.
Val: They would presumably have a way to release them, I would think.
AC: I would think so. I can remember Morenae saying that the
not know that the Greys could do this and had this kind of technology.
Val: Now that they know about it, what now?
AC: I don't know. There is a lot they don't tell me.
Val: Well, I knew more than five years ago that the
Greys had this kind of
AC: Well, they are very frustrated. Morenae has said on numerous occasions
that "it's just their time." The Greys are going to die out.
Val: What about us? We pass the test and those who do not go to
density create another 3rd density holographic reality to continue to play
the game until they mature beyond that. In that light, what does happen to
all of us?
AC: My understanding is that all of us become teachers.
Val: All of us?
AC: Yes. We all go to different parts of physicality in
Val: And become teachers. Because of this experience we have had on
Val: You said that as things begin to "heat up" vibrationally here, we are
going to have access to buried memory within the genetics. How is someone
who is a "redneck" going to handle that?
AC: Ha. I haven't a clue. I am kind of worried on how I am going to handle
Val: And this is supposed to happen when?
AC: Between now and 2007. By 2009 there will be people on the planet going
in and out of fourth and fifth density.
Val: On Star Trek and
Deep Space Nine you see many different races mixing
and interacting. Is that close to what is actually going on?
AC: It's very close to the truth, from what I understand.
Val: If that's the case, it makes it even harder to be satisfied with being
When the Dominos Start to Fall
AC: I can't tell you how many times I have not wanted to come back here.
When these dominos start to fall, people will be flocking to contactees and
people involved in the "UFO" fields for answers.
Val: And in many cases, these will be exactly the wrong people to ask.
AC: In many cases, but nobody else is talking to them. The government's
attitude is that "the truth is a lie undiscovered." The people won't have
any choice. They will be coming to people like yourself, who have integrity.
You will find yourself in a leadership role. It's going to happen, and it
really is as it should be. Some of those who these people will go to for
answers will be Service-to-Self oriented, who will be "in it for the buck"
or are into being "famous". That means nothing.
Val: That's mind boggling.
AC: Within a very short time, those of us who are talking about this will go
from being looked at as "kooks" to being teachers, and all it will take is
one mothership to park itself around the moon, or have a squadron of craft
fly across the United States in the middle of the afternoon. That's all its
going to take.
Val: A lot of people wandering around talking to themselves.
AC: That's a given, and these people are going to want some answers. The
religious people will be the hardest-hit, because in many respects they are
going to have the rug pulled right out from under them.
Val: Well, isn't this also the idea of the
regressives? To allow this to
happen for a manipulative advantage over the population?
Which Side of the Coin?
Val: So, one would never know which side of the coin it really was, if and
when this does happen? How would one know?
AC: It's an intuition. However, the people in middle America who watch
television re-runs every night won't know the difference. The average person
who doesn't pay attention to what is going on in their world and what it is
that they are creating will not be prepared for this.
Val: I would think excitement would push intuition right out the window. I
think it would be a matter of keeping ones act together whether what we saw
was positive or negative.
AC: Yes it would. The bottom line is that you won't know who you are or
where you're going until you get there, and we're all going to be in that
Val: How soon will that be?
AC: It could be as early as April of 1997. It's probably going to be sooner,
but April of 1997 I was told would be the highest probability.
Val: That's about the time Hale-Bopp arrives.
AC: Yes. Hale-Bopp will be here in February-March 1997.
Val: So, a lot of other things will happen around the same time.
World Leaders at Gizeh in 2000
Val: Do you have any take on this January 1, 2000 meeting of the world
leaders at the pyramid at Gizeh?
AC: You have read
Sitchin's work, yes?
AC: Remember when he makes reference to
AC: Well, supposedly
Anu is supposed to come back at that time.
Val: Which is on the regressive side of the coin.
AC: And all the world leaders are supposed to be there to worship and adore
him as the God of the Underworld.
Val: It sounds rather unexciting. Obviously, something must happen to
considering how everything turns out later. It's only three years before the
cut-off date for all extraterrestrials to be away from Earth. So, with that
in mind, do you have any take on the events between 2000 and 2003 and what
the progression of events may be?
AC: Oh, the earth will be going through a lot of changes. There will be new
viruses to contend with, as well as famine and floods. We will also have
wars, most of which will be fought over food and water. China is supposed to
break up into separate countries in a vast civil war. China will end up
using nuclear weapons within its own borders against itself.
Val: Now, this is curious. A lot of university work has been done that has
come up with super crops, such as super corn and super wheat that could
produce vast harvests. Harvard University studies have shown that the Earth
can comfortably support 44 billion people using only 25% of the ice-free
land to grow food. All this potential exists right now that they are not
going to even use, because somebody wants it to happen this way.
A Higher Agenda Which Involves Us as Souls
AC: But, there's a much higher agenda here. It obviously involves us as
souls, but it also has to do with something that is very strategic about
this solar system. I will tell you why so many people are interested in this
We have some
strange planets here. Not only is Earth unique because of all the life forms
here, but according to Morenae, when we as Paa Tal came down from a higher
density to inhabit these bodies in third density, we used a type of vehicle
to travel from where we were to where we are now. A type of vehicle. They
say that the planet Jupiter was the vehicle we used.
Val: Which is also now a sun on fifth density.
Val: So, we brought our own potential
black hole along with us.
AC: Our own escape hatch.
is on to the
bizarreness of Jupiter, but he will never figure it out because he doesn't
think along the lines of spirit, really.
AC: Well, he has set it up so that he has an academic position to defend.
The credibility gap. I guess everybody has their niche.
AC: Yes. He just doesn't talk about those things.
It all comes from spirit
Val: So, what happens next? Everything must turn out fine after 2003,
because they're looking at from a position in time.
AC: Yes. We're going to go through some stuff, and I don't know how its
exactly going to play out, but they have said on more than one occasion that
they are very proud of us in the end, as a race.
Val: The end
of the third density experiment?
Val: Which will be in linear terms?
AC: They told me that it would be on December 3, 2013.
Val: Tell me more about your understanding of dimensions.
AC: My understanding of dimensions is that each dimension is a holograph
that vibrates at a higher color-sound frequency than others. Fifth density
has a frequency scale of 214 colors, as opposed to the 73 color frequency
spectrum we have here in third density.
Val: How does the mathematical progression go?
AC: I don't know, but it is a progression.
End of Interview