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May 4, 2002
From
Perceval Website
Background to session
No sooner had we dealt with the copyright issue with Frank (see
Apris 25, 2002 session) than Vincent Bridges changed his tactics.
The retraction of his claims to our copyrighted material was signed
at the end of April, and we posted his corrective notice on May 1st.
On that day, we received the following
from Vincent's partner, Jay Weidner:
From: Goldenflower@....
Date sent: Wed, 1 May 2002 16:15:17 EDT
Subject: (no subject)
To: laura@
Dear Laura:
While I truly appreciate your cooperation in helping assist me
with my many difficulties with Vincent Bridges, I now think that
it is time for all of this to end. I would like to do whatever I
can to make the situation right for everyone.
I have been in communication with Vincent. He has finally paid
me back for the France trip and he has apologized for his
mistakes. We have also straightened out the copyright problem
and the ownership of Aethyrea Books LLC. We have entered into a
legal agreement that I find to be satisfactory to me.
As part of this agreement I have asked him to remove all
references to you, Ark or the C's from the paymenow.com site and
the vincentbridges.com or any other site of which he has
control. Also, again as part of the agreement, I am asking you
to please take down my 'open letters' from your web site. As
Vincent has satisfied my requirements, the many things said in
those letters is no longer true. Because I desire to put this
controversy behind me I have agreed to ask for your cooperation
in this.
I have enjoyed our many discussions and hope that they will
continue. You are a very interesting person with many innovative
ideas and I find what you have to say to be fascinating in its
scope and dynamics. I very much would like to continue our
relationship.
I hope that you receive this letter with the same intention as
it is written.
Thanks.
Jay Weidner
Coincidence? Well, we didn't think it
was a coincidence. When Frank was no longer a tool to be used by
Vincent, he moved to "plan B" - or Plan Weidner, as the case may be.
What Jay did not know was that we had
received some truly valuable legal information about the law in the
state of Florida and had been advised that it would be rather simple
to have Bridges arrested since he had traveled to Florida to take
position of our Transcript CD, as well as to perform hypnosis on me
based on his fraudulent credentials as a "psychotherapist."
I was actually quite anxious to get this
project going because I very much wanted to get all of Vincent's
"teachers" in court, and his credentials on the official court
record. There was also the question of whether or not Jay Weidner
was complicit in Bridges' illegal activities - or at the very least,
aiding and abetting. But I left that open, thinking that it was
possible that Jay was just another dupe of Bridges.
And so, the following exchange took
place in respect of the above sudden "reversal" of Jay Weidner's
position.
From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk <laura@ >
To: Goldenflower@....
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date sent: Wed, 1 May 2002 18:51:16 -0400
On 1 May 2002, at 16:15, Goldenflower@....wrote:
> > I hope that you receive this letter with the same intention
as it is written.
Hi, We will certainly remove your letters from the bridges
pages. However, the situation has already taken a serious turn
that will not be affected by this.
I am really quite curious as to when this amazing agreement took
place (that is, exact date), because it may prove to be
important.
You see, we spent half a day with one of the best criminal
prosecutors in the state a week or so ago and it seems that VB
is on the edge of the cliff of criminal prosecution for fraud
and misrepresentation and theft relating to Aethyrea books. We
"leaked" part of this information quite recently - for strategic
reasons as instructed by the atty - and it may be that his
sudden discovery of a way to make things "right" with you has
something to do with that.
Because of the fact that we are engaged in legal discussions
preparatory to turning state's evidence, your letters are
already part of the legal file. I am in a bit of a quandary now
as to what to do with your statement that you have made a deal
with VB and wish to have the letters removed.
I will, of course, remove them, but you will very likely be
subpoenaed and may have to provide a deposition, and the issue
of any deal you have made with VB will be questioned. What I am
wondering is how this may reflect on you and if VB made such a
move in an effort to "hide behind" you or to drag you into it,
or to attempt to avoid prosecution thinking that the process
will be stopped because I wouldn't want to bring trouble to you?
All interesting questions.
Of course, I am certain that VB did not inform you of any of
this prior to his making a deal.
Just a few days ago, he was actively distributing the stolen
materials and writing reams of libelous and defamatory material
and posting it all over the net on newsgroups, etc.
The fact is: the issue has gone too far to be dropped. Like the
old story, what VB has done is like taking a pillowcase full of
feathers, throwing them into the wind and then trying to collect
all the feathers and put them back into the pillowcase. He can't
do it. It's too late.
L
From: Goldenflower@….
Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:21:31 EDT
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: laura@
No, of course VB didn't tell me what he was doing to you. For
that I am sorry and wish there was something I could do.
If I am subpeoned I will tell the truth. I have told VB that I
will not lie about anything under any circumstances. If this has
gone to far to stop at least I know that I really tried to stop
it. I can only hope for the best for you and do whatever I can
to straighten this out. If VB has gone too far then that is his
problem.
Thank you for your cooperation. I really appreciate it.
Jay
We didn't even have time to respond to
the above before Jay wrote again, obviously at the instigation of
Bridges.
From: Goldenflower@....
Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:16:37 EDT
Subject: (no subject)
To: laura@
Laura:
It is with great reluctance that I enter into this fray in a
greater way than I have before, but I feel that the situation is
getting so out of hand that I must get involved.
I would like to to mediate this situation so that it goes away.
I am not sure that I can do this job, but I am the only one who
is in a position to try.
It is very important that you and I go back to the real work,
that we were both doing before, and leave the VB stuff behind.
I'm sorry, but your real work is so much more interesting than
the recent work on VB, and that is the main aspect of my quest
here - to return you (and me) back to our original work and get
away from VB.
Vincent is crazy. Of that I have no doubt. He wants to escalate
this fight into new and undreamed of dimensions. I don't even
want to tell you what he plans but it is not good at all. I am
sure that he relishes the fact that you appear to be obsessed
with him.
That is why I have decided to enter the fray, to stop the
sensless psychic violence.
Here is what I think should happen: All mention of you, Ark and
the C's will be taken off of VB.com and paymenow.com. VB also
must agree to drop all legal matters against you guys or any
other companies, foundations that you may represent.
VB hasn't agreed to any of this because I haven't written to him
yet. I wanted to talk to you first. I am not sure I can get him
to agree to the above. But I am willing to give it a try if you
are.
In return you remove all mention of him (and me) from your site.
If you wish to persue legal matters against him, you can still
go forward under this agreement. Frankly this situation has
escalated to such a high degree that the only place that this
can be figured out is in a court and that is the route that I
suggest.
It wouldn't be right if I didn't give this a try. I hope you
don't make a quick decision based on your anger towards Vincent.
While that anger is certainly well-placed, it should not be your
sole guide through this situation. Please talk it over with Ark
and your friends before you decide.
This is very likely the last chance that any of us will have to
turn this around and go back to the very important research that
is not being done. I am sure that you can see that this is very
likely the entire point of the matter - to stop us from our
research!
This is not going to be an easy decision. It requires a lot of
strength to stop a fight. In the end it is probably the most
important decision you will make.
Let me know.
Jay
From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk <laura@ >
To: Goldenflower@....
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:07:20 -0400
On 2 May 2002, at 13:16, Goldenflower@....wrote:
> This is not going to be an easy decision. It requires a lot of
strength to > stop a fight. In the end it is probably the most
important decision you will > make.
We base our actions on facts, not merely words.
L
From: Goldenflower@....
Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2002 19:21:17 EDT
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: laura@
L:
I will tell VB to take down the offensive sites (VB.com and the
other disgusting site.) I hope the idiot listens to me.
When this becomes a fact I will await your decision.
Jay
From: Goldenflower@....
Date sent: Fri, 3 May 2002 21:17:07 EDT
Subject: (no subject)
To: laura@
Laura:
It has taken me many hours of fighting with the obnoxious one
but I have finally got him to take down the stuff on paymenow
and vincentbridges.com. I just checked both sites before I wrote
this letter to you.
The only way I could get VB to finally cooperate was to tell him
that he was doing it as a favor to me because of what I have
done for him in the past. He also wrote me a letter saying that
he would take down the sites for three days to see if you will
take down everything that I previously mentioned off of your
site. The letter also states that he will drop any and all legal
matters pertaining to you and any foundations that you
represent. Once you take down the stuff I will forward the
letter.
I also ask you to do this as a favor to me. For that favor I
promise to you that I will moniter VB to the max and if I see
him doing one thing wrong I will announce publicly that he went
back on his word to me and you.
In the end it is a better thing that we do.
I hope you take this as seriously as I am. That way we can make
some progress in this situation and put it behind us.
Jay
We decided that it wouldn't hurt to be
conciliatory to some extent. And so, we removed Vincent's name from
the Adverntures Series. However, since the Foundation had assembled
and published the official investigative report of the facts
concerning Vincent Bridges, we did not think that it was a good
precedent to remove it or change the names except to protect the
innocent - unless certain conditions were met.
After all, the traffic to the Perseus
report was not nearly as high as the traffic to the Adventures
Series, and we felt that not compromising our principles, while
still making some accommodation for Bridges discomfort, was
reasonable.
If the report had not been true, it is
not very likely that he would have gone to such lengths to try to
coerce, blackmail, or otherwise force us to remove it. We also
thought that Vincent could take certain steps himself that would
satisfy the intent of the report, and if he did so, we would agree
to remove it.
And so, another proposal was made. We
wrote the following to Jay:
From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk <laura@ >
To: Goldenflower@....
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date sent: Sat, 4 May 2002 16:43:51 -0400
Here is what we did in response to your "mediation".
1) To show our good faith, and our will to try a
non-confrontational solution, we changed VB's name in the
Adventures series to a pseudonym.
We can do the following
2) Remove the "side articles" about VB from the public display
3) Remove from the public display the Foundation report on VB
_under the following condition ONLY_:
IF VB will sign and notarize and provide us with the original
copy of the following statement that we can permanently post on
our website, and, whenever necessary, post links to on any
discussion board where he or his "pals" are found to be posting
libel or defamatory remarks based on his previous lies and
defamation.
THIS STATEMENT is made on this _____ day of _____, 2002 by
Vincent M. Bridges of North CarolinA:
I, Vincent M. Bridges, do hereby affirm that I have made false
claims about my background, my credentials, my experiences, my
publishing credits, my publishing company Aethyrea Books, and my
education. I apologize for this.
I affirm that when the matters of my false credentials and
credits were discovered by the Perseus Foundation, that I began
a campaign of libel and defamation against Arkadiusz and Laura
Jadczyk and the members of the Cassiopaea discussion group, and
the readers of the Cassiopaea website.
I apologize for all my libelous remarks and publications about
Ark and Laura Jadczyk. I refute my former claim that Ark and
Laura are attempting to turn the Cassiopaean Material into the
basis for a cult.
I apologize for my statements that Ark and Laura and the members
of the cassiopaea group were harassing me, stalking me, or
violating my privacy.
I apologize for all my false claims, for my personal and
technical untruths, including my claims of "expert status" as a
"psychotherapist," my personal disparagement of Ark and Laura
Jadczyk, and all negative characterizations I have made about
them, their work, and the Cassiopaea discussion groups.
I apologize for inducing other people to distribute the
Cassiopaean transcripts without permission. I request that any
copies of these transcripts distributed through my actions be
destroyed.
I regret that others have been misled by my false claims, and I
strongly encourage all others who have repeated my false and
hurtful claims, to stop doing so.
I refute my false claims and apologize for all of this, and I
request that others now pass on, post, and report this Statement
everywhere that false reports derived from anything I have said
have appeared.
I am making this statement because I know it to be the truth. I
request that my friends support my efforts to scrupulously honor
and defend the good and respected reputations of Ark and Laura
Jadczyk, their work, their sincerity and good will, and the
honor and sincerity of the members of the Cassiopaea discussion
groups and the readers of the Cassiopaea website and material.
By making this statement, Vincent Bridges admits no legal
liability.
Signed:
VB ..... Notarized.
What we received in return was,
basically, the same agreement that Frank's attorney had proposed for
HIM! And so I knew who was really behind the terms of that
ridiculous document that we had refused to sign.
From: Goldenflower@....
Date sent: Sat, 4 May 2002 18:03:48 EDT
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: laura@
Laura:
I am leaving on a vacation tomorrow morning. I know that this is
unfortunate timing but I am tired and I need a break.
I want you to know - that up to this point anyway - I have done
what I thought was impossible - I have gotten VB and
Stormtrooper to remove the sites. They did this with a great
degree of reluctance and are ready to escalate this ugly
situation in a second. Doesn't it feel good to have that garbage
off the web? I want to keep it that way and I know you do also.
VB will never do all of your request. However I think that I can
get him to do some of it.
How about an agreement, written to you and me, that says that he
apologizes for his false statements concerning his background
and career, his statements concerning the integrity of Ark,
Laura and the rest of the Perseus Foundation, that he agrees to
never say anything in public about you guys, that he agrees to
not pursue any legal matters against you also. If he breaks this
agreement then you can place it up on your site. As I understand
from your site you already have an agreement with "Frank" about
the copyrights so lets just leave that out as it is a problem
that has already been solved.
But to keep hammering away at him in public with this will just
get him more crazy. You and I don't need this. Cooler heads must
prevail here and - you have to admit - I have cooled the
situation down on his end. Now I need you to come a little
closer in distance from where you are to end this thing. I am
asking you to please help me. I have proven my words with
actions - just as you requested - but my time as 'mediator' (why
did you put that in quotes?) is coming to an end. This is truly
the last chance.
If you will agree to the above then we can get this behind us.
Please consider this carefully and thanks for your patience
(Henry Kissinger I am not!)
Jay
From: Goldenflower@....
Date sent: Sat, 4 May 2002 21:09:17 EDT
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: laura@
Laura:
If VB signs that document that you wrote he can be arrested. It
admits libel and slander. You must understand that no matter how
insane he is, he is not that insane. While the charges may very
well be true you can't expect him to sign a paper that says
that.
I am going to take my laptop with me on vacation. I will see
what happens on the web if I can somehow. Is it possible to call
you? You told me once that your phone number was listed. I tried
to find your number today and give you a call but I had no luck.
I would like to solve this in a way that benefits you. I thought
I had by getting VB to drop any legal matters with you, but
allowing you to do what ever you wanted against him (in court)
that this would be the way for you to get the satisfaction that
you demand. I think most would say that this agreement is
definitely to your advantage. I am still not sure how I got VB
to do it - I just know that I cannot keep him and Stormtrooper
quiet without you doing your part.
Someone has to be mature and step up to do the right thing. You
have proved your point and now VB is stopping his mouth at least
for the short while.
You say that I don't care about the other people that VB hurt. I
do care about them and most especially you. That is why I am
doing this. So please - do this as a favor for me. If it doesn't
work out then we are back where we are at the moment. But if it
does work out think about how nice it will be. Think - if only
someone was brave enough to talk about peace between Israel and
the Palestinians - there might actually be peace. But with all
this talk of war there is only senseless psychic and physical
violence. I can't do anything about that but I can do something
about this. That is why I am doing it. So please help me.
We only have until Monday evening and then VB and stormtrooper
are back in business.
Jay
Yes, I noted the "I'm going out of town,
you need to decide" rider on the above and recognized it for the
sales "rush" tactic that it was. We were not going to be rushed. And
so, we decided to ask the C's about this matter:
May 4, 2002
Laura, Ark, BT
Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello.
Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Cassiopaea.
Q: (L) Alright, the first general question is - Is Vincent
Bridges really planning on suing us as he claims and as Jay
Weidner has suggested if we don't 'make a deal' and remove our
report about him from the site?
A: Not able.
Q: (L) Why not?
A: No money.
Q: (L) What is Jay Weidner's motivation to try to mediate?
A: He is money hungry. Not to keep; to get; thus his reputation
is on the line.
Q: (L) So I guess he figures that he's got to save Vincent
Bridges to save his book. That's what he's trying to do.
A: Yes.
Q: (A) If VB has no money, he could not pay Weidner, so he could
possibly go to jail, right? So Jay Weidner is lying.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So he's none of the things he claims he is, he's not an
initiate, he has no tradition, he's just another con-artist like
Bridges?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well. So he suggested to us that we better play ball with
him because if we don't, Storm Bear and Vincent Bridges are
going to escalate things, and he doesn't even want to tell us
how, it's so terrible. Aside from the fact that it is more or
less coercion, or blackmail, in what way do they plan to
escalate?
A: Get violent.
Q: (L) Physically violent?
A: It is possible.
Q: (B) Is that because they have diminished alternatives?
A: Yes.
Q: (A) I would like to recount: back at some point where we were
looking for advice, advice was given that our only concern is
for our copyright. Okay, so now it's over so what would be the
next good and general direction for us to follow, except of
course with keeping what we are doing?
A: Keep on path.
Q: (L) Should we take all mention of Vincent Bridges off our
site?
A: Goodbye to Vincent Bridges.
Q: (L) What does that mean-- 'Goodbye to VB?' Does that mean
take all of him off our site?
A: Just keep on path.
Q: (B) Is that implying that VB as a mode of attack will be
replaced?
A: No.
Q: (L) Well, keeping on our path means to not take...well, you
know...(B) Yeah, to not cave into their demands. (L) Right.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So you're just avoiding to have to give advice? (A) Well,
it is not a soft problem because if they are going to get
violent we have to do something because we don't like this kind
of...
A: They haven't shown much talent so far. What makes you think
that will change?
Q: (L) In other words they'll botch it and it'll be good-bye
Vincent Bridges - off to jail. (A) What means violent, physical
violence? I still can't imagine.
A: Not hard. He may try physical stalking.
Q: (A) What is stalking? (B) Being parked around the corner
keeping an eye on the place. (L) Following us around. Of course
if he does that then he gets arrested for just doing it. There's
nothing he can do to escalate except get physical. (A) Well,
physical escalation can also mean violence against our server.
(L) He can try hacking. (B) Yeah but they said physical
stalking, not cyber-stalking.
A: He is getting blinder by the day.
Q: (L) In other words he is going to do very stupid things and
make very stupid mistakes and get himself into deep trouble.
Well that is an assumption on my part.
A: Close.
Q: (L) Okay, what issues did you have B**? (B) Let's get the
personal one out of the way first--Is there a pending portal of
attack through the family of the school friend that my grandson
plays with?
A: Keep a close watch on this situation. Bells are ringing.
Q: (B) Okay. Referring back to a session on 7-28-01, a reference
was made in answer to a question where Laura said, 'Well okay,
were going to move to France and do more work' and the answer
was "You 5," question was 'Us and three kids?' and the answer
was "8835 million hope and glory is coming close. Point the way
to love and realms of light. Trust on it." One of the members
did a search on the term U5 and came with the Comet C 1998 U5
Linear. Is this an avenue we should approach closer or
investigate closer?
A: It is a code that will reveal itself soon.
Q: (B) Well then they were right. Now, there was a discussion
about psychopaths and seemingly being born that way, and a
reference was made to mercury content in vaccines and Laura said
that there is a distinct possibility that inoculations mentioned
may directly affect the brains of infants and turn them into
psychopaths. Is that a third area that needs to be pursued in
our quest of learning about psychopaths?
A: Such inoculations are designed to make the nervous system
more "appropriately tuned" to 4D STS "downloads" and
manipulation.
Q: (A) What inoculations? (L) Childhood vaccinations. (B) High
mercury content in the 18 vaccinations that a kid gets now in
infancy. Laura and I were talking earlier about thought packets
and speech analysis. Is trying to analyze the speech pattern of
psychopaths vs. non-psychopaths something that would prove
fruitful?
A: It can be done. But there are easier ways.
Q: (L) What easier ways?
A: Observation coupled with instinct.
Q: (L) Once you know the program just plug it in. (B) Kind of
what were doing? Mention was made in private correspondence
about people that finance COINTELPRO operators, disinformation
artists, that such finaciers generally prefer not to take a risk
and insist that legal action that might force this disclosure
must never take place. Is there some validity to this in the
Vincent Bridges/ Jay Weidner thing?
A: Not in their case. They are truly "alien" agents with no
consciousness of being controlled. Thus no human intermediary is
needed. 4th density save money this way!!
Q: [Laughter from all] (L) I want to ask about this book I was
reading earlier by T. Illion. He claims that he traveled to
Tibet and found this underground city and interacted with these
strange people. Was this an actual trip this guy made in a
traditional 3rd density sense?
A: It is a disguise for conveying truths of a spiritual nature
as well as a depiction of 4th Density realities.
Q: (L) Did he physically travel to Tibet?
A: No.
Q: (B) Sounds like he gained some inner awareness and used a
story to convey it. (L) Did he travel anywhere?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Did he travel somewhere else and get this information and
then accurately portray it as being centered in Tibet?
A: Yes.
Q: (B) Were his other travels in 3rd density?
A: Yes.
Q: (B) Is it important where he traveled?
A: Yes.
Q: (B) Well you know what the next question is (laughter). What
would be his destination? Where did he travel?
A: Siberia.
Q: (B) Does it have anything to do with the spot in Siberia or
Russian mountains that has the electromagnetic labs or whatever
it was that they were discussing before?
A: Close.
Q: (A) Well still the question is: in the book he said he knew
the Tibetan language.
A: He did.
Q: (A) In Siberia they don't use Tibetan language. (L) He didn't
have to be using the Tibetan language. (A) What language is he
using in Siberia, probably Russian. (L) I don't know. I've never
been there. Well they didn't say he didn't know Russian. (A)
That's true. (L) Was the place that he really traveled to a
place that was positive that was telling about a place that was
negative?
A: Yes.
Q: (B) When you answered 'close' to my question about the
electromagnetic thing did you mean close physically or close in
concept?
A: Both.
Q: (B) Both are linked then, are you saying there is a link
between the two?
A: Vague.
Q: (B) I was thinking why Stone [word indecipherable] Does it
have anything to do with the grid?
A: Partly.
Q: (L) Why did J** hurt his back?
A: Over his ideal weight; first hit from karmic memory.
Q: (A) I want to come back to this Frank business because when
we had this last session we asked about Frank and the answer was
that he's not going to sign the agreement but then two days
later he signs the agreement. So how should we understand this
miss, so you say?
A: He would have held out had it not been for S**'s letter.
Q: (L) And what was it about S**'s letter that persuaded him?
A: He is not afraid of you because he thinks he can manipulate,
but S** was an unknown factor.
Q: (L) I had the feeling, when the remark was made, that it was
intended to dissuade us from anticipating, thus blocking a
positive outcome.
A: It helped him to sign when you did not expect it.
Q: (A) The problem is, all of these things seem to be designed
to block the completion of Noah. We are both busy dealing with
all of these attack issues, and Laura has been stopped from work
on Noah.
A: Let her write what "comes." Noah will be finished at the
proper time. Goodnight.
End of Session
After the session, we checked to see if
Vincent had actually done all that Jay had said he was going to do.
As it turned out, he hadn't. He had only changed the index.
Another lie and sly trick. And so, we
wrote to Jay:
From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk <laura@ >
To: Goldenflower@....
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date sent: Sun, 5 May 2002 10:26:50 -0400
On 5 May 2002, at 9:46, Goldenflower@....wrote:
> I am about to leave town. I checked your site and nothing has
changed so I > guess it is time for me to give up. >
Hi, You didn't check very well. We did as we said: VB's name has
been changed to a pseudonym on the Adventures series and index
page.
Also, you didn't check paymenow since all the pages are still
there and only the index page is changed.
We proposed a clear and constructive solution. In fact, it will
be necessary to add one more apology from Vincent:
"I apologize for false statements regarding the Zaca Lake
conference, for harassment of those who signed up and paid money
for this conference, and for excessive delays in refunding their
monies, and for false and misleading statements about them made
in public on the internet and elsewhere."
By making a deal with Vincent Bridges, you have become part of
his gang.
L
From: Goldenflower@....
Date sent: Sun, 5 May 2002 11:07:44 EDT
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: laura@
Well, as Churchill once said - 'if you don't give your opponent
a way out, you only make the situation worse.' You have decided
to not give your opponent a way out and so he stays cornered
(not where you want to have a trapped animal).
So I give up the 'mediation'. I wish you had reached a little
deeper into your heart and try to remove a little darkness in
the world instead of deliberately contributing to it.
I asked you to remove my open letters and instead you leave the
headline 'open letter from Jay Weidner' up and then quote the
letter. This is bad enough but then you end the entire ordeal by
saying that you have taken the letters down. Does that sound
like someone who is playing it straight? I have played it
straight with you so why not return the favor? There must be
another reason.
If you want me to be part of his gang because I tried to make
peace then I guess you will never make peace with him or "Frank"
because then you 'are in his gang' also. So therefore, using
your own logic, there can never be a resolution. What is so
oddly jarring about this is that you have been given the green
light to sue VB and I have a letter from him saying that he will
not pursue any legal action against you? So why is this not good
enough? Why don't you want to fight it out where it belongs? Why
do you wish to carry on in public when that will just escalate
and cannot hope but worsen the situation? You have been given
the green light to sue his ass off and you choose, instead, to
continue to rant in public. You do this despite the fact that
you are not doing any of the work that you are supposed to be
doing? It is very strange and I will need to think much over the
next few days about it. There must be something else going on
that I am not aware of for you to be taking such drastic
measures.
So one more time I will, for the record, state the deal as it
stands right now.
VB takes down his site and payme now (If that site is still up -
it will be down today), you take down VB and my name from your
site (That's 100% - no names on your site). In return I will
give you a letter signed by VB that says he will not pursue any
legal matters against you. But you are still free to pursue
legal matters against him. You have until Monday evening and
then everything comes back to normal.
If you decide to do this I will not know about it until Friday
evening. You will have to wait until then to get the letter from
VB. Have a little faith, ask the C"s talk to Ark and your
friends.
I am going to listen to the crashing waves of the Pacific Ocean
and dream of a world of rational people.
Jay
From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk <laura@ >
To: Goldenflower@....Subject: (Fwd) Re: (no subject)
Date sent: Sun, 5 May 2002 11:22:54 -0400
On 5 May 2002, at 11:07, Goldenflower@....wrote:
> VB takes down his site and payme now (If that site is still up
- it > will be down today), you take down VB and my name from
your site > (That's 100% - no names on your site). In return I
will give you a > letter signed by VB that says he will not
pursue any legal matters > against you. But you are still free
to pursue legal matters against > him. You have until Monday
evening and then everything comes back to > normal.
As you know VB's words and letters mean nothing. You yourself
called him repeatedly a liar. Did you forget that? So what is
the value of a letter from a liar? Zero. Naught. We are not
insane as your proposal seems to suggest.
That is why only a prior signed and notarized statement will do.
Nothing less. We learned from past experiences.
Moreover, there can be no agreement that we would have to keep
secret. Secrecy is the tool of darkness. Any agreement must be
in the open - as with "Frank." No secrecy clause whatsoever.
ark and laura
And then, of course, Vincent shot
himself in the foot the same way Frank's attorney blew the deal for
him. He posted to a public discussion board the following:
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 20:58:09
-0400
From: Vincent Bridges <vincent@fifthwaymysteryschool.org>
Subject: Cassiopaean announcements
Greetings M-group,
I apologize before hand for bringing up the odious and
continuing sore spot of the Cassiopaeans, but I have two simple
announcements and I thought they would be of interest to the
list.
A class action law suit for defamation, harassment and invasion
of privacy is underway against Laura Knight-Jadczyk, Ark Jadczyk,
Andrew C. Rowland and the Board of Directors of the Perseus
Foundation. If you feel that you have been harassed, defamed,
libeled or have had your privacy invaded by the actions of the
above named individuals, please send me a private email at
abooks@ac.net and let me know if you would like to be a part of
this legal action.
Also, a similar class action suit is underway for plagiarism and
copyright infringement. If anyone on this list knows, or knows
how to contact, any of the authors plagiarized or extensively
excerpted without permission in any of the voluminous material
generated and published by Laura Knight Jadczyk or the Perseus
Foundation, please ask them to contact me at the above email
address.
All replies will be kept strictly confidential.
Thank you,
Vincent Bridges
--- In matrioshka@y..., Vincent Bridges <vincent@f...> wrote:
As most of you know, all of us on this side of the Cassiopaean
debacle have been trying to end the conflict and quit feeding
the demon. Well, that hasn't exactly worked.
I offered to take everything down about L&A and the Cassiopaeans,
and for the last few days it has been down. I also offered to
drop any pending or future legal action against them, if they
would just take their attack pages about off the web. That
simply emboldened them to greater efforts, attacking even more
innocent people who just want to get away from their slime and
get on with their lives, and who never did anything to L&A but
leave the cult and tell the truth about their experiences. To
L&A of course this is treason of the highest order and must be
avenged any way possible. Be warned, all of you still in thrall
to Laura's spell, it could be your boss that receives the next
email.
In return they proposed that I sign an agreement that they could
post prominently on their website as a trophy of their victory
over "Dr. Evil," my new nome de plume in C-World. Since we are
all aware that Laura has never had an original thought in her
life, it should come as no surprise that her statement for me
was copied directly from the Dan Winter statement. Plagiarism is
so much a part of her life that she can not apparently do
without it.
So, rather than re-start the war, I thought we'd have a contest.
Count the lies they wanted me to swear to in the following
statement, and the person who comes closest to the correct total
will win a brand new Disinformation Agent T-Shirt from
paymenow.net.
OK, pencils ready? Here we go:
From Laura Knight Jadczyk and
Ark Jadczyk:
1) To show our good faith, and our will to try a non-confontational
solution, we changed VB's name in the Adventures series to a
pseudonym.
We can do the following
2) Remove the "side articles" about VB from the public
display
3) Remove from the public display the Foundation report on
VB _under the following condition ONLY_:
IF VB will sign and notarize and provide us with the
original copy of the following statement that we can
permanently post on our website, and, whenever necessary,
post links to on any discussion board where he or his "pals"
are found to be posting libel or defamatory remarks based on
his previous lies and defamation.
THIS STATEMENT is made on this _____
day of _____, 2002 by Vincent M. Bridges of North Carolina:
I, Vincent M. Bridges, do hereby
affirm that I have made false claims about my background, my
credentials, my experiences, my publishing credits, my
publishing company Aethyrea Books, and my education. I
apologize for this.
I affirm that when the matters of my false credentials and
credits were discovered by the Perseus Foundation, that I
began a campaign of libel and defamation against Arkadiusz
and Laura Jadczyk and the members of the Cassiopaea
discussion group, and the readers of the Cassiopaea website.
I apologize for all my libelous remarks and publications
about Ark and Laura Jadczyk. I refute my former claim that
Ark and Laura are attempting to turn the Cassiopaean
Material into the basis for a cult.
I apologize for my statements that Ark and Laura and the
members of the cassiopaea group were harassing me, stalking
me, or violating my privacy.
I apologize for all my false claims, for my personal and
technical untruths, including my claims of "expert status"
as a "psychotherapist," my personal disparagement of Ark and
Laura Jadczyk, and all negative characterizations I have
made about them, their work, and the Cassiopaea discussion
groups.
I apologize for inducing other people to distribute the
Cassiopaean transcripts without permission. I request that
any copies of these transcripts distributed through my
actions be destroyed.
I regret that others have been misled by my false claims,
and I strongly encourage all others who have repeated my
false and hurtful claims, to stop doing so.
I refute my false claims and apologize for all of this, and
I request that others now pass on, post, and report this
Statement everywhere that false reports derived from
anything I have said have appeared.
I am making this statement because I know it to be the
truth. I request that my friends support my efforts to
scrupulously honor and defend the good and respected
reputations of Ark and Laura Jadczyk, their work, their
sincerity and good will, and the honor and sincerity of the
members of the Cassiopaea discussion groups and the readers
of the Cassiopaea website and material.
By making this statement, Vincent Bridges admits no legal
liability.
Signed:
VB ..... Notarized.
Naturally, it will be a very cold
day in hell when I put my name to something like this.
My final comments outside of court: Bugger off you losers... You
and the demon deserve each other.
Vincent
Back to Contents
June 22, 2002
Background to the Session
At this point in time, we had become aware of the fact that the
concerted efforts of Vincent Bridges, Jay Weidner, Storm Bear
Williams, Teresa Burns, and others, had certainly created a negative
image about the Cassiopaean experiment in certain small circles of
the internet community. Thanks to Jay Weidner, we had a name for
this type of activity: COINTELPRO, and our researches on this
subject were only just beginning. What was apparent, from the very
start, was that the chief "label" that COINTELPRO agents used to
vilify and marginalize any group they wished to disrupt or destroy
was "cult." (To see how Vincent Bridges develops this idea, in his
own words, see: Vincent Bridges Responds)
The line between CULT and religion is a very hotly debated topic, so
getting a hard and fast definition to fit is difficult at best.
According to the dictionary, a "cult" is: "a system of religious
worship or ritual; devoted attachment to, or extravagant admiration
for, a person, principle, etc - especially when regarded as a fad; a
group of followers; sect." The root of the word "cult" is "kwel,"
which means "to turn, dwll, care for," and is related to the words
"culture" and "cultivate."
By modern definitions, a cult is different from a religion. A
religion, according to the dictionary, is: a system of religious
belief,; a belief in a divine or superhuman poer or powers to be
obeyed and worshipped; expression of such a belief in conduct and
ritual; any specific system of belief, worship, conduct and ritual,
often including a code of ethic and a philosophy," etc. The root of
the word "religion" is "ligare," which means to "tie up" or "to
bind."
It occurred to me that, by the above definitions, I would certainly
rather be a "cult" than a "religion" though the fact is, neither of
the above definitions even remotely apply to the material from the
Cassiopaeans, or the work we do in the Quantum Future School.
But the term "cult" has been gradually deprived of its true meaning,
and has come to mean something else altogether in our modern times.
In our day, a "cult" is a group that employs manipulative techniques
of influence on the minds of followers that are deceptive. What is
humorous about the matter is that, based on our research into the
history and development of the three major monotheistic religions:
Judaism, Christianity and Islam, they are more properly "cults" than
anything around in the present day in the sense that nearly their
entire structure is based on manipulative techniques of influence on
the minds of the followers that are deceptive." After all, what do
you call it when people get "saved" because they are afraid of
hell-fire and damnation? Especially if the evidence demonstrates
that such "hell-fire and damnation" are not likely to exist?
As part of their anti-Cassiopaea publicity campaign, Storm Bear
Williams made the rounds of a number of public discussion boards
posting messages along the line of the following:
From: Storm Bear (storm@NODAMNSPAMredgrail.org
Subject: Kook Kult Bible
Newsgroups: alt.slack View
Date: 2002-01-24 09:46:27 PST
Hi all.
This was discussed a month or so ago on here and I thought an
update was in order. The Cassiopaean Cult of New Port Richie,
Florida is a doomsday cult that bases all their decisions on
Ouiji Board conversations with aliens from Constellation
Cassiopeia.
Interestingly enough, the cult is run by an ex-eastern bloc Cold
War nuke scientist.
Worrisome, huh?
Anyway, the original Ouiji board transcripts have surfaced and
is Available at... [deleted]
A breakdown of the cult is available at... [deleted]
The parody site is at... [deleted]
And the cult website is at... http://www.
Y'all Rock On!
Stormy
This sort of activity was obviously
a "gang affair" because it continued for some months on various
newsgroups and public message boards, including the following
from an "unknown" poster who goes by the handle "mantismind."
From: mantismind (nospam@thankyou.com)
(click the link to read the original post on newsgroups)
Subject: Jadczyk Cass Cult Based on Another "Golden Plate and
Angel Maroni?" You be the Judge. Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet
Date: 2002-04-27 02:00:33 PST
Over the last two weeks, I myself have been accused of being
Vincent Bridges or one of the other victims maliciously
portrayed on the Perseus Foundation (Persecution) adjunct site
to the site run by Ark and Laura Jadczyk which is alleged to be
a cult. I am none of the unfortunate victims to have fallen prey
to said Perseus Foundation, and if you are smart, you will have
nothing to do with them. I am a tiny voice of dissent, as I have
stated before. A mere nobody in nowhereland, posting on
uselessnet providing unbiased views of cult news as it develops.
I have the following interesting interview with Mr. Vincent
Bridges to report. The question is: Did the victims cave under
the pressure of threats to bodily harm to themselves, family
members and friends from the Cassiopaenistas of Psychossiopea,
or is the following message true? You be the judge:
Mr. Bridges, the victim of ten
months of ruthless attacks from the Cassiopaeanistas alleges
that Laura Jadczyk pushed the ouija planchette around the
board to gain sensational answers more likely to stimulate a
cult following. Is it true? You be the judge. Report
follows:
Cassiopaean Channeling Faked?
In a surprise move, "Frank Scott", who participated with Laura
Knight-Jadczyk from 1994 to 2000 in the production of the
Cassiopaean material, has taken down his unedited version of the
disputed transcripts after Ms. Knight-Jadcyzk admitted in
several statements made to Mr. Scott and various lawyers that
she was the "sole author and inspiration" of the Cassiopaean
material.
Given the nature of the channeled
contact, that of a ouija board (with always two or more hands on
the planchette) this assertion by Ms. Knight-Jadcyzk can only be
taken to mean that she consciously FAKED the answers to the
questions!
"For Laura to actually claim
that she was the sole author of the words being generated by
the planchette leaves us with no other explanation,"
commented Vincent Bridges, owner of the Anti-Cassiopaean
Cult Awareness website where the unedited transcripts could
be found. "This calls into questions the entire corpus of
Cassiopaean material. Since neither "Frank" nor I have any
wish to perpetrate such a fraud on the public as Laura has
now admitted to committing, the raw unedited transcripts,
showing clearly the pattern of deception used by Laura in
generating her specious "channelling" sessions, will be
pulled from the web."
The reclusive "Frank Scott" could
not be reached for comment.
The website of co-author "Frank Scott" will be removed from the
web. If you go quickly to [deleted] and to [deleted], you may
download the unedited transcripts for a short time, therefore
having material to compare to the Jadczyk's edited transcripts.
The satirical sites based on the Cass.org cult site are:
[deleted] and [deleted.]
Vincent Bridges anti-cult awareness site is: [deleted]
If you are really curious and would like to compare the original
transcripts to the edited Jadczyk transcripts, post a request to
the Yahoo group: Matrioshka. One of the members will be happy to
forward the zip file of the undedited transcripts to you
personally. The unedited transcripts are also likely to be
posted in alt.binaries.e-book periodically in the months to
come........strictly for personal, educational and critical use
as provided for under federal statute.
Mantismind
Reporting LIVE from
Mantidpropagation
The "reclusive 'Frank Scott'" is no
longer so reclusive, being a member of, and recently regular poster
to the above mentioned discussion group. Nevertheless, what we see
above is the most bizarre "spin" being put on the actual events of
the legal activity that took place as recounted in session 020425,
and those immediately before and after.
The reader needs to keep in mind that ALL of this activity of
Vincent Bridges - as recounted in various places on the website -
was quite simply the result of the fact that we uncovered his lies
and deceptions, his manipulations and fraud, terminated our
association with him both personally and professionally, and ejected
him from our discussion group. That was it. Nothing more, nothing
less. That is to say, he was ejected because he was discovered to be
using manipulative influencing techniques and deception - the
hallmark of the modern definition of a "cult." And immediately after
he was ejected from the group, Vincent Bridges began to use varying
methods of psychological terrorism against us, including threats of
lawsuits, libel and defamation, and even implications of direct
harm.
As it happens, the term "cult" does not apply at Cassiopaea. What we
are conducting is an Internet School, and we have the right to
maintain order in the classroom. We have a right to eject those who
are not there to learn, and those who are bullies and cheaters. As
noted above, we believe in enabling people to think and decide
freely and this necessitates a broad informational base as a
prerequisite for exercising what freedom of mind may be humanly
attainable. We further believe in researching, as a group activity,
and sharing such information and analysis to those who ask.
Anyone who enters this environment and
is discovered to be using scare tactics, information that does not
check out factually, who lies and misrepresents themselves, or is
caught violating the privacy of the group, is EJECTED. That's it.
Such an action has nothing to do with
any or all of the members following anybody or any belief system. It
has strictly to do with interacting with people who are TRUSTWORTHY
by DEMONSTRATION, so that when any member reveals personal
information within the group, we can be confident that it will not
be used against them in some kind of psychological or spiritual
terrorism as occurs frequently in "cults."
Rather than having a "religious confessor/leader who is the only one
privy to all secrets, we have created a different idea for our group
discussions. Yes, indeed, there are those who are the "hosts,
guardians of the privacy and decorum," but all the interaction
within the group is on an equal footing between members. And the
main thing we wish to protect against is individuals who are
deceitful, who have a hidden agendas, or who use manipulative
tactics.
Because the group is closed for a reason, an because he was ejected
from this group - when he had an obvious agenda to take it over as
his own "cult following" - because he proved untrustworthy in terms
of deception and agenda, Vincent Bridges undertook to destroy us and
our life work. And his activities were aided and abetted by numerous
other individuals as mentioned above. It was clearly a COINTELPRO
operation, whether human instigated or managed from other levels, is
moot.
We knew we had a problem because the history of such operations does
not bode well for the objects of vilification and marginalization.
It is all fine and good to say: "Oh, sticks and stones ..." etc, but
the FACTS are that such operations work. If you don't think so, just
read our Timeline which includes many references to Mind Control
experiments and operations. The whole planet is in the state it is
in due to such activities as those undertaken by Vincent Bridges and
Co. And it has been going on for a very long time.
So, the question uppermost in our minds at the point in time of this
session was: how to counteract such negative activities while still
staying on the STO path?
There was the additional concern that the time we needed to devote
to this activity was pretty much 24/7 and we needed to discover an
STO way to approach the financial issue. Just putting a "help
Cassiopaea" paypal donation button on the site was having almost NO
results. We were discovering that there was certainly a double
standard in operation and, while many, many "new age" organizations
standard churches were free to coerce donations or payment via fear
or fraudulently promised "benefits" - our own dedication was
supposed to be evidenced by being "free" of any financial
considerations at all. We were against the wall and knew it.
And finally, there was the issue of just simply making the material
available to as many people as possible around the planet without
violating the free will of those who choose other paths, other
perspectives.
June 22, 2002
Ark, Laura, BT
Q: Hello.
A: Hello!
Q: And who do we have with us this
evening?
A: Nomihha.
Q: And where do you transmit
through?
A: Cassiopaea. [Making many spiraling moves.] Needs grooving.
Q: (A) I guess we ought to have
sessions more often.
A: Practice makes perfect. [More spiraling movements between
each letter.]
Q: (L) We have been discussing
whether or not we ought to engage in any kind of promotional
activity to make people more aware of the material, of the
network, of the principles we are putting together as a result
of the transcripts as well as research and the activity of the
group and its moving through the many areas of research. We are
in something of a quandary as to whether or not promotion can be
considered an STO activity. (A) There is another problem, in
fact. We were hesitating about promoting because we knew that as
long as we are working on a small scale, we will not attract
attention and attack. As long as we function on a small scale,
it can be allowed or accommodated in the Matrix. When we go to a
larger scale, the Matrix can bring in new forces because
anything on a larger scale can be considered by the Matrix as
dangerous. So, enlarging the scale, attracting more interested
people, at the same time we should be prepared for more attacks.
So that was one of the reasons for our keeping a low profile.
(L) Well, let's take it step by step. First of all, can
promotion be considered an STO activity? Is it an STO approach
to what we are doing or trying to do?
[All of the following was delivered very fast and very
vigorously.]
A: Absolutely. It is giving the lie what is asked for: Truth.
Q: So, promotional activity can be
considered a service to a larger community. Obviously,
promotional activity has to support itself and promotional
activity, enlarging the scope of what we are doing, necessitates
a much greater commitment of time and energy and skill not only
our part, but the skill, time and effort of other people, which
means that it must support that also. Nevertheless, the
perception seems to be that anything that involves promotion or
involvement of any kind of monetary exchange is an STS thing.
A: It should be noted that the STS system can only be penetrated
by becoming "wise as serpents and gentle as doves." There is
nothing negative about networking. Details of a network include
the necessity for those who are involved to invest "energy" in
the exchange.
If the individual comes upon the life work of another and
expects to benefit and gain by that work, they will naturally
wish to have their own position balanced by putting forth a
commensurate amount of energy. Otherwise there will be an
imbalance of energy. This then leads to an STS pyramid. An
example of this principle in reverse is a teacher who demands
payment for no real work on their own part.
The fact that both of you have devoted yourselves to this work
for not just a short time, but literally your entire lives, and
have not asked for the support that this intensive labor earns
has, in effect, created an imbalance for those who are
benefiting. Many of those who are experiencing blocks in their
own lives would find those blockages dissolved by the action of
opening the flow of energy in the exchange. In your world, money
equals energy!!!
Q: (BT) We need to address the concerns about attack. (L) Yes.
The question is: if we approach the matter in a more active way
- since we don't want to proselytize, we only want to make
people aware, they can look, accept, discard, or do whatever
they want; I think the awareness factor is what we are
targeting; there are six billion people on this planet and most
of them are asleep and don't even know it; so awareness of the
existence of a different option for viewing reality is the issue
- how much will this increase the level of attack?
A: Knowledge protects. You have been in "attack school" for a
long time, most recently having taken a grad level course. The
principles learned thusly will stand you in good stead. From the
fire comes light!
Q: (A) We were several times told
that "help is on the way." What kind of help?
A: When you begin to expand the potential network you will
rattle a lot of bushes.
Q: (L) The thing that concerns me is
that I am nervous about such ideas. Generally speaking, such
approaches generally lead to an organization, which then leads
to codification, which then leads to all kinds of problems. You
can't keep it personal and simple. Bigger networks, means more
people, means more opportunities for twisting and distortion and
problems. There is just so much potential for people becoming
involved who do not have the same intent we have, who don't have
the intent the group has, and just a whole host of things that
come to mind here. When you start getting big, you can't give
enough attention to everything. For now, we take care of
everything ourselves. We protect the group so that they can
gather their awareness; they are making extraordinary progress;
and how can you do that on a larger scale?
A: At some point there will be those among your group who will
step forward and accept the mantle of teacher. Your role as
teachers of teachers is one that may produce the balancing
energy needed for the STO harvest to be plentiful indeed.
Perhaps you should relax and not be afraid of the child you have
borne taking its first step out in the world? There are many
teachers in your group. Each of them will awaken to their
mission destiny profile as appropriate.
Q: (A) I would like a bit of advice about our upcoming meeting.
Should we have a fixed schedule, or try to keep everything
spontaneous?
A: How about somewhere in between? The main focus should be on
networking according to STO principles.
Q: (L) We have been talking about promotion in terms of things
like tee shirts, coffee mugs, mouse pads, bookmarks, etc - just
in terms of promotion, not so much for the purpose of making
money - just to raise awareness of the website. There have been
a number of reactions to such an idea, including seeing it as a
"commercialization." I hadn't thought about it that way so much
as I was thinking about just making the word "Cassiopaea" a sort
of household term that would make people curious enough to check
it out. Then, of course, the law of percentages would suggest
that the more people check it out, the more of those people who
resonate would be "found," I guess. So, the objective is not to
sell the material, but to promote the material. As the idea
developed, the possibility of such sales supporting the material
came to the fore and my thought was that if there was something
that could be sold to support the material in its Free state,
then I'm all for it. What do you have to say about these
admittedly tacky ideas about tee shirts, bookmarks, mouse pads,
and all of that sort of thing?
A: Notice carefully how the STS domination has been created and
maintained. It is not done with the objective of promoting
knowledge. As you know, it is done with the intent of hiding
truth. What is wrong with pointing the door to greater potential
knowledge out for those in Darkness? You can shine the light on
the door. The choice of opening it and passing within is up to
the seeker.
Q: (BT) I think that the point is intent. What difference does
it make if you use tee shirts, book marks, refrigerator magnets
or whatever? Those are all techniques of the reality we live in
for drawing the attention of people to whatever product is being
offered. The fact is: they work. They familiarize people with
words, concepts and phrases. That can certainly be seen as
"shining the light on the door." (L) We have recently been
working with some material from Boris Mouravieff. We can see
many relationships. I would like to ask about some of his
political views, his ideas about creating some elite corps to
help the world graduate to what he calls the cycle of the Holy
Spirit. How accurate are those views of Mouravieff?
A: Mouravieff, like many who have protected and passed on the
"tradition" are merely carriers and not interpreters of the
capacity of a Master. The True Master understands the nature of
the "worlds" in terms of real, Hyperdimensional
Interpenetration. Thus Mouravieff and others misunderstand and
misinterpret, thinking in 3rd density Hierarchical terms which
simply do not apply.
Q: (L) Okay, we are going to have to stop because Ark didn't eat
anything all day and he is getting a headache.
A: He is re-grooving. Pushing past cycle blocks. But best to
terminate now. Expect bursting through in awareness soon! Good
night.
End of Session
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July 13, 2002
Ark, Laura, BT, VG
[Part of this session was lost to recorder malfunction and a few
of the questions are reconstructed, though the actual answers
from C's are verbatim from the stenographic notes.]
Q: Hello.
A: Hello.
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Giffaea.
Q: And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopaea.
Q: (V) What is the main difference in the transmissions since
"Frank" left the group and Ark finally agreed to participate
directly in the process?
A: Remember that a conduit is composed of knowledge. Now think
about the difference between "Frank" and Arkady. Prepare for the
greatest learning burst ever!
Q: In the last session, just at the end, we brought up the work
of Boris Mouravieff. As I continue to read through this
material, I can see many relationships between that work and so
many of the clues and hints scattered throughout the C's
transmissions. What seems to be most important is his
information about the Centers - three lower and three higher
that are not "seated" in the body - and the formation of the
magnetic center. Then, he talks about the difference between "A"
influences and "B" influences, and the necessity for
assimilation of "B" influences in order to fuse the "magnetic
center" which then enables the soul - or higher centers - to
"seat" in the body. Based on his descriptions, it seems that
this is exactly the process that you have been guiding us
through, even including all of the recent experiences with
Vincent Bridges and Frank and others. As you had said once
previously: "From the fire comes light." And we have certainly
been challenged to utilize what we are learning in dealing with
all of these issues and it has had a profound effect on us
mentally, physically, and most especially, psychically and
spiritually. We can see that this has been a large part of the
"fusing of the magnetic center," as Mouravieff has termed it. Is
the information from Mouravieff about these matters fairly
accurate?
A: Not just fairly. It has been preserved from the time of the
"Fall."
Q: Mouravieff states clearly that this teaching is a "thin
thread" of an oral tradition, and that the monks themselves - in
various locations - admit that it has not only not been put into
writing, but has not ever even been "gathered together" in a
single place. This is, of course, problematical, but it seems
that Mouravieff has made a sincere effort to present the
material of the Tradition itself, even if he has spent an
inordinate amount of time trying to weave through it some of the
occult traditions of Europe that have been so very popular for
so long, particularly the synarchic views of Guenon and so
forth. In seems that, in this respect, Mouravieff has
interpreted many things in an "A influence" sort of way. And
then, there is Mouravieff's presentation of the "worlds." It
seems to be very similar to the teaching about "densities,"
though without the balance of STS and STO.
A: If it is understood in the original context of
hyperdimensional realities. Also, there are some distortions and
gloss on the subject of the "worlds" and "notes." But even this
is only minor.
Q: Mouravieff says that there are two kinds of humans - he calls
the "pre-Adamic" and "Adamic," [discussed in book III]. The idea
is that pre-Adamic human types basically have no "soul" nor any
possibility of growing one. This is a pretty shocking idea, but
there have been recent scholarly discussions of this matter
based on what seems to be clinical evidence that, indeed, there
are human beings who are just "mechanical" and have no "inner"
or "higher self" at all. [See: "Division of Consciousness"]
Gurdjieff talked about this and so did Castaneda. Are these
ideas Mouravieff presents about the two basic TYPES of humans,
as far as they go, accurate?
A: Indeed, though again, there is a "Biblical Gloss."
Q: Mouravieff says that the "pre-Adamic" humans do not have the
higher centers, nor the possibility of developing them in this
cycle - which we assume to be the Grand Cycle you have
previously described, the length of which is around 300,000
years. Is this an accurate representation of "pre-Adamic"
beings?
A: Yes, they are "organic" portals between levels of density.
Q: Based on what Mouravieff has said, it seems to be so that any
efforts to try to raise the consciousness of such individuals is
doomed to fail.
A: Pretty much. Most of them are very efficient machines. The
ones that you have identified as psychopaths are "failures." The
best ones cannot be discerned except by long and careful
observation.
Q: (V) Have I, or anyone in this room, ever encountered any, and
if so, can you give us an example for reference?
A: If you consider that the population is equally distributed,
then you will understand that in an ordinary "souled" person's
life, that person will encounter half as many organic portals as
souled individuals. BUT, when someone is in the process of
"growing" and strengthening the soul, the Control System will
seek to insert even more "units" into that person's life. Now,
think of all the people you have ever met and particularly those
with whom you have been, or are, intimate. Which half of this
number would YOU designate as being organic portals? Hard to
tell, eh?
Q: (BT) Is this the original meaning of the "pollution of the
bloodline" that the Bible talks about?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) This certainly gives a whole new meaning to all the
experiences we have had with people like "Frank" and Vincent
Bridges and Terri Burns, Olga and the rest of the gang! What
this means is that the work of discerning these organic portals
from souled human beings is CRUCIAL to the so-called ascension
process. Without the basic understanding of transformation of,
and conservation of energies, there is no possibility of fusing
a magnetic center. No wonder the Bridges gang and the COINTELPRO
types went bananas while I was publishing the Adventures Series!
And sheesh! They will go bonkers with this organic portal stuff!
(V) In thinking back over my life, it seems to me that my father
is certainly one of these organic portals.
A: Now, do not start labeling without due consideration.
Remember that very often the individual who displays
contradictory behavior may be a souled being in struggle.
Q: (L) I would say that the chief thing they are saying is that
the really good ones - you could never tell except by long
observation. The one key we discovered from studying psychopaths
was that their actions do not match their words. But what if
that is a symptom of just being weak and having no will? (A) How
can I know if I have a soul?
A: Do you ever hurt for another?
Q: (V) I think they are talking about empathy. These soulless
humans simply don't care what happens to another person. If
another person is in pain or misery, they don't know how to
care.
A: The only pain they experience is "withdrawal" of "food" or
comfort, or what they want. They are also masters of twisting
perception of others so as to seem to be empathetic. But, in
general, such actions are simply to retain control.
Q: (A) What does having a soul or not having a soul have to do
with bloodline?
A: Genetics marry with soul if present.
Q: Do "organic portals" go to fifth density when they die?
A: Only temporarily until the "second death."
Q: (V) What is the "origin" of these organic portal human types?
In the scheme of creation, where did they come from?
A: They were originally part of the bridge between 2nd density
and 3rd density. Review transcripts on the subject of short wave
cycles and long wave cycles.
Q: (A) Now, I was reading in the transcripts that sleep is
necessary for human beings because it was a period of rest and
recharging. You also said that the SOUL rests while the body is
sleeping. So, the question is: what source of energy is tapped
to recharge both the body and the soul?
A: The question needs to be separated. What happens to a souled
individual is different from an organic portal unit.
Q: (L) I guess that means that the life force energy that is
embodied in Organic Portals is something like the soul pool that
is theorized to exist for flora and fauna. This would, of
course, explain the striking and inexplicable similarity of
psychopaths, that is so well defined that they only differ from
one another in the way that different species of trees are
different in the overall class of Tree-ness. So, if they don't
have souls, where does the energy come from that recharges
Organic Portals?
A: The pool you have described.
Q: Does the recharging of the souled being come from a similar
pool, only maybe the "human" pool?
A: No - it recharges from the so-called sexual center which is a
higher center of creative energy. During sleep, the emotional
center, not being blocked by the lower intellectual cener and
the moving center, transduces the energy from the sexual center.
It is also the time during which the higher emotional and
intellectual centers can rest from the "drain" of the lower
centers' interaction with those pesky organic portals so much
loved by the lower centers. This respite alone is sufficient to
make a difference. But, more than that, the energy of the sexual
center is also more available to the other higher centers.
Q: (L) Well, the next logical question was: where does the
so-called "sexual center" get ITS energy?
A: The sexual center is in direct contact with 7th density in
its "feminine" creative thought of "Thou, I Love." The "outbreath"
of "God" in the relief of constriction. Pulsation. Unstable
Gravity Waves.
Q: Do the "centers" as described by Mouravieff relate at all to
the idea of "chakras?"
A: Quite closely. In an individual of the organic variety, the
so-called higher chakras are "produced in effect" by stealing
that energy from souled beings. This is what gives them the
ability to emulate souled beings. The souled being is, in
effect, perceiving a mirror of their own soul when they ascribe
"soul qualities" to such beings.
Q: Is this a correspondence that starts at the basal chakra
which relates to the sexual center as described by Mouravieff?
A: No. The "sexual center" corresponds to the solar plexus.
Lower moving center - basal chakra
Lower emotional - sexual chakra
Lower intellectual - throat chakra
Higher emotional - heart chakra
Higher intellectual - crown chakra
Q: (L) What about the so-called seventh, or "third eye" chakra?
A: Seer. The union of the heart and intellectual higher centers.
[Laura's note: This would "close the circuit" in the "shepherd's
crook" configuration.]
Q: (V) What about the many ideas about 12 chakras, and so forth,
that are currently being taught by many new age sources?
[Barbara Marciniak, for one.]
A: There are no such. This is a corrupted conceptualization
based on the false belief that the activation of the physical
endocrine system is the same as the creation and fusion of the
magnetic center. The higher centers are only "seated" by being
"magnetized." And this more or less "External" condition
[location of the higher centers] has been perceived by some
individuals and later joined to the perceived "seating"
locations, in potential. This has led to "cross
conceptualization" based on assumption!
Q: Are the levels of initiation and levels of the staircase as
presented by Mouravieff fairly accurate?
A: Yes, but different levels accessed in other so-called lives
can relieve the intensity of some levels in "another" life.
Q: (L) So work on the self in different incarnations - assuming
one is not an organic portal - can be cumulative? You can pick
up where you left off if you screw up?
A: Yes. To some extent. For now, then, good night.
End of Session.
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July 31, 2002
Ark, Laura, JQ, SM, HS, IT, MW,
Q: (L) Hello
A: Hello
Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Poronia
Q: (L) And where do you transmit through?
A: Hello men of Cassiopaea.
Q: (I) Why men?
A: Hello I** of Cassiopaea!!!
Q: [Laughter] (I) Long time.
A: No Cs!
Q: [Laughter]
A: Get it?! Hello M** of ?
Q: (M) Wow! That's a good question for me too, I guess. Wow,
that's one I don't know. Well I've never been to Cassiopaea.
Hello. (L) Okay, I want to ask a question. I would like to know
about Credo Mutwa?
A: He has a valid connection, however there is a lot of static
around him.
Q: (S) What does a valid connection mean?
A: His source.
Q: (I) Several of us have recently discussed the idea that the
Zulu people are - as their name means in the Zulu language -
Light Warriors. Does this idea have any foundation in fact?
A: In a sense, but not precisely in the way thought. Groups of
people represent energy portals in cosmic rather than global
terms. Light warriors are "connectors" on a cosmic level.
Q: (L) Connectors between what and what?
A: Transducers of energy of transition rather like capacitors!
Q: (L) What's a capacitor? (M) It's an electrical way of
collecting and dumping a flowing charge; a way of accumulating
charge and releasing it later in a sudden burst of energy. You
can send enormously strong pulses from capacitors by putting in
small amounts of energy over a long period of time. They used to
be called accumulators. (J) What transition?
A: Transition of your sector of space/time.
Q: (I) So Light Warriors - are they accumulating energies and is
it at a particular point that we may need help to transition
that they...(S) Provide the energy necessary, is that what you
mean?
A: Partly. It will depend on how much awareness you manage to
generate to direct the energy.
Q: (I) Zulus, Light Warriors. Is this a genetic function?
A: More or less.
Q: (L) Well. You know they throw you something you don't expect
and what do you do? You have all your little preconceived
notions and you have it all figured out and you think you're
going to get a little confirmation and then they toss you
something that says uh-uh. (S) Well this is a whole new
concept...well not really. (I) The Zulus and other Black peoples
are more in tune with the Earth... And the C's say it is up to
us as to how much awareness we can generate to vector this
energy from the Earth... So if we don't generate this awareness
they're going to transduce a different kind of energy?
A: They can be "food for the moon" or food for the soul.
Q: (I) Well, God they've been food for the Moon for a long time.
(L) So has everybody else. (S) It's the same for all of us
though, so is there anything special about them or different
than anybody else?
A: Absolutely.
Q: (J) So their genetics...it's a function of genetics... (A) I
would ask if there is any other say nation or tribe of similar
make-up? (S) Yeah, maybe there's a tribe in every section of the
world, or something.
A: There is a "spectrum" as Mouravieff suggests, however the
Zulu compose a sort of "drone" tone.
Q: (S) So is this something they do deliberately or is it
something unconscious?
A: It is a function of the 4th density energies they
"represent."
Q: (A) Okay, so it is a drone tone. That is the main tone which
is foundational to the harmonics. You build the music on this
infrastructure, so to say. (L) There's the drone, there's the
bass, there's the melody. (J) They said a spectrum as in
Mouravieff, the spectrum of the genetics able to carry light or
to act as a light for transition. I'm not really sure on how
that...(L) I think they're talking about a soul tone. (I) Is the
unique singing that the Zulus do symbolic of that drone tone?
A: Indeed, as is all of reality symbolic of things at other
levels and "depths" of being. For the Zulus, the "ancestors" are
also the "future selves." Those are specific terms that carry
meaning unfamiliar to your cultural context.
Q: (I) Well ancestors are a big part of their culture. (S)
Right, so the C's material is a...bridge between cultures I
guess. (A) The issue of "agents" has been a subject of recent
discussion, especially after all the odd things that occurred
during our conference in the past week. What are the clues that
we could look to in order to discern "agents?"
[Planchette spirals momentarily]
A: Since you asked...[group laughter] let your imagination be
your guide.
Q: (S) Talk about an open ended answer. They've expanded on
'open', so... (L) Is there any kind of activity that involves
precognition or time travel awareness?
A: See previous answer.
Q: (I) Our imagination. (L) Why is it that the ones who turn out
to do the most damage - as we discussed - never produce any
definitive "sensation" one way or another about anything. Why do
they always seem to be so "neutral?"
A: By design.
Q: (S) By design is like by design of somebody organizing
something but it's by design because these are created, designed
individuals?
A: End subject.
Q (A) So we don't want to know more than we know, right? (I) Our
imagination is enough. (S) Let your imagination run wild. (L)
Alright, next?... (M) Well, they said: 'M** of ?' Is it that I'm
in a position of choice or is it that my reviewing of the
sessions is too grumpy, too slow, too dim, or... is it a choice
matter or...
A: He who sits on fence gets splinters.
Q: (M) That is so true.
A: And they can be particularly nasty when one jumps off in
haste upon realizing that fence sitters are prime targets for
snipers.
Q: (I) S** C** and your experiences with him during the
conference. The C's zeroed in on you for some reason. (S) Right.
(M) Here the conference is astonishing, but I'm alerted that the
answers are appropriate for other people too. (everyone speaking
at once) well of course it's a position of choice, and there are
others who are vulnerable too.
A: Many haven't even approached the fence to obtain a clearer
view.
Q: (M) Alright, well, I get a clearer view, but then it's risky.
Well that figures. (I) It doesn't necessarily mean it's you. (J)
Just want to understand this. When you realize you're a target
because you're sitting on the fence without fully deciding one
way or another, and then you jump off too quickly, does that
mean in a way that you should stay on the fence? (S) It means
you don't have the safety of the network when you're on the
fence. (J) But if you jump off in haste, when you realize that
you are a prime target for snipers... (S) When you get off you
need to know which side you're getting off on. (L) I would say
it applies to the idea of getting off the fence deliberately and
carefully...rather than sitting there so long somebody finds you
and shoots you off. (M) I have been doing this but I didn't
think I had a clear view. I find reading the sessions,
discussions, things about the German genetics, the
predisposition to brutality... I live in Germany and it tears me
apart. It's all kinds mixed up. I never thought... it appears
that they said that I do have a clear view or the fence sitters
do...(L) Well there's a view and there's wishful thinking. (M) I
didn't believe I had a clear view, but presuming it's so, as an
example, is it possible that STS types can go back into the
1980's and set up fortune tellers and fixed future ideas and
stories of marriages and children and sort of hitting weak spots
in some sort of seduction...
A: That is SOP for STS.
Q: (M) Okay, so I did spot it. And S** C** was hitting on all
those things... (I) Well you weren't sure because you kept
saying S** C** did this and that. You know what he's about just
based on all the other things he has said, so why be taken in by
his seeming "spot on" predictions or "reading?" (M) Well I had a
thought that - well, there's more than I could share with you -
the thought was, you see, I thought I had this fixed future, and
C** comes along and says: 'you gotta be a templar, you've got to
leave your job in November,' and the bells went clanging...(J)
Sniping at you, eh? (M) But I've been used in the past as well.
A: You have so many buttons that they play you like a
concertina.
Q: (M) Okay, how can that be solved? By hypnotism or spirit
release therapy" What to make that less risky so the decision
making process is better, improved...
A: Think like a hammer.
Q: (M) Well, alright. I've done it briefly, only briefly in the
past, but...
A: No pain no gain.
Q: (M) Good general tips for everybody, it's nice the way they
answer that. Why wouldn't I just... choosing seems to be obvious
because the approaches of these beings, these attempts, feel
obnoxious...(I) That's a button! (L) Concertina Man! [group
laughter]. (M) Yeah, all these buttons. Okay so think with a
hammer. They didn't say spirit release therapy or anything. (I)
You need to find out what the buttons are. (L) And work. There's
work. I would say thinking about spirit release and all that
stuff is looking for an easy way out. Did you ever stop to think
that all these little emotional things that get pushed in you,
they're just simply emotional programs and you have to master
them? I mean you can't just get hypnotized and toss them out and
think there's somebody else that's going to do the work for you.
(M) What a great point. Maybe S** C** was seeing something. He
keeps saying he's told to say things. Maybe there's a reason.
Maybe I had a spirit attachment and somebody could say it was an
old Knight Templar [everybody laughing at once]. (L) Can't you
just say that the whole line that C** fed you is a crock of sh*t.
Just say it: 'there's evil people out there that push my
buttons' and let it go at that? That's a crock. It pushes your
buttons and makes you start going around in these uhahuhahuh,
and it's a crock! Say after me M** 'There is a crock of sh*t out
there and they're after me.' [M** repeats and agrees] (I) And
they can only get to you if you allow that button to be pushed.
(L) Why can't you just say 'There ARE agents of negative forces
and they will say anything that is designed to push our buttons.
They're all snipers and they push our buttons.' (I) You also
have to utilize what you see. (M) Okay there was one thing
holding me up and that was - and maybe you've heard this a
thousand times because you have more experience - but I look at
some of the... [I starts laughing] (L) Just remember I'm going
to transcribe every word [ongoing laughter]. (J) The thing about
when S** pushes your buttons is that he pushes a button and it
works; you do the dance; you sing the song; you know what I
mean. You're doing it now, chewing on this nonsense over and
over again. So, the answer is:just don't sing the song. Don't do
the dance. (I) I have a question. There has been so much
laughter in the group during the conference that I just want to
know: Were you guys laughing all weekend?
A: Let us just say that there is great joy in these "realms" and
that does include "laughter."
Q: (I) I'm not even there yet, but God if it's like anything I
felt this week, I can't wait. [everybody laughs] I've never
laughed this much in my entire life.
A: M**, you have a very poorly developed emotional center.
Q: (M) Well the obvious thing is, that's not acceptable. It's
got to be quite right...(S) Just think in small steps, don't
think you're going make a leap into having a developed emotional
center all at once. You just gotta take one small step after
another. (M) Well what is most suitable: sudden shock treatment
or steps or...[laughter] For example, can I ever be a worthwhile
acquaintance for people that I've known in England? That's been
haunting me.
A: You are seeking love in all the wrong places. How can you
know love if you cannot bear truth?
Q: (M) So I've got to think with a hammer and, I can't bear
truth...
A: Wishful thinking buffers you from truth.
Q: (M) Well that's what I've got to work at so...(L) So
basically you're looking for love, you want love. That's the
thing you're really after. But how can you have love if you
can't bear truth? Seek ye first truth and you will get love. (A)
Seeking truth means leave your delusions. (M) I found that some
truth is really or mainly just joy with amazement and then...(L)
But there is some that you can't stand. All truth is not beauty.
All truth is not delight. (A) You see the first step, as I
understand, of finding truth, is realizing 'I am alone and I am
responsible for everything what happens to me.' And when you
understand "I am alone, okay, and I am responsible and there are
these snipers and they are shooting at me," then you fully
realize your situation, you are alone. Only then, you can DO.
A: More than anyone realizes. Remember that groups "transduce"
cosmic energy. Think of the energy transmitted into your realm
by your gathering.
Q: (I) I never laughed this much ever! Just a little snippet of
what STO can possibly be like, and it's much more than we
realize. (S) Is there something special about laughter? (I) Does
it generate energy?
A: Pure laughter is rarely experienced in your realm. Just wait
for 4th density!
Q: (I) Like I said I can't wait. (H) Was the moment I had where
I was laughing at myself something close to that?
A: Partly. It was more a releasing of blockage.
Q: (I) Is that in my case, I mean I couldn't stop laughing.
A: With I**, it is different. You are already past a major
block.
Q: (A) I want to go back to agents and ask about the guy from
room 103, what was his function, if any?
A: Just think of spy vs spy. There is more than one group
interested in what you are doing. Collecting data for later use.
Now, all of you have value far beyond your own understanding to
this point. It would be wise to remember this and be cautious.
Go from this point with joy in this knowledge and...defend it.
Good bye.
End of Session
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August 18, 2002
Ark, Laura, Terry, Jan
[This was the first session attended by T&J since February 3 of
2001 - almost 18 months to the day. So much had happened in that
time, so much growth had taken place in ourselves and the group,
as a result of dealing with the Bridges and Frank Scott
situation, that it seems that the energies no longer "fit." It
is interesting to note how the "fractured" energies produce such
a variance of contact, and this is important to remember because
a similar state existed in the three board sessions held with
Vincent Bridges at the table.]
Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello.
Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Xtqf.
Q: (L) Is that a name?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopeia.
Q: (L) That's not the way you usually spell it, why did you
spell it differently?
A: 3 intent.
Q: (L) 3 intent? (T) Are you from Cassiopaea?
A: Hello. No.
Q: (T) Who are you?
A: Intent.
Q: (T) Your intent?
A: Help u.
Q: (T) But you're not from Cassiopaea?
A: No.
Q: (T) And your name is Xtqf?
A: P I R
Q: (L) Hmmm strange, never had anything like this except with
Vincent at the table. (T) What is P I Rr?
A: Pirpimmoonikknqe.
Q: (L) Is the energy different with Terri sitting at the table?
A: !
Q: (L) Obviously we have to regroup because we have a different
set of energies here.
A: O!
Q: (T) Are you spelling in shorthand or phonetics?
A: !
Q: (T) When you point at ! what does that mean besides !, are
you using it for a shorthand for something?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) What kind of shorthand?
A: Lost rhhjlmos.
Q: (T) Have we lost the connection?
A: To ill.
Q: (J) To ill?
A: Yes.
Q: (J) Who is ill?
A: Temporary.
Q: (T) What's temporary, that the channel's ill?
A: Look! Hello! Look! Hello!
Q: (T) You've said Hello now...is Cassiopaea out here somewhere?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Are they going to talk with us tonight? Are we going to
talk with us tonight? [The planchette goes flying across the
board and comes to rest between Ark and Laura, nearly jumping
off the table. It is then still.] Q: (T) Have you left? How will
you help us? Are you still there? Is anyone there?
A: Other.
Q: (T) What other?
A: TQ.
Q: (L) Nothing. (T) Well this is different. (L) Have you been
sick? (T) No. (L) Well why are they talking about "to ill," and
they said t-o and not t-o-o.
A: E I T H 1.
Q: (T) Eith?
A: U fight.
Q: (T) We fight what? (L) U fight. (A) Okay, try now, go
together, try...
A: Yes.
Q: (T) No we're not fighting we're just making discussion.
A: Terry.
Q: (T) Yes that's me Terry, I fight?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) I fight? I fight what?
A: Cassiopaea.
Q: (T) I fight what?
A: P I I G H K M O R
[Planchette just be "bouncing" around the board.]
Q: (L) Alright you trade off, see what happens.[Terry removes
his hand from planchette leaving only Ark and Laura.]
Q: (L) Hello, hello, anybody?
A: Give rest to Terry.
Q: (L) What do you mean "Give rest to Terry?"
A: He is detuned due to long absence.
Q: (L) What's this about ill?
A: Ill fitting energy resonance. Terry needs to regroove.
Q: (L) How does Terry regroove? (T) Yes, how do I regroove? (L)
How does a person regroove?
A: First by spending time in learning to the same level as
others in resonance.
Q: (T) It moves quick now! (L) So in other words, umm...well I
don't know. (A) We are not talking to Cassiopaeans, we are
talking to someone unknown.
A: Yes Cassiopaea.
Q: (L) Why was it spelled funny the first time?
A: Lack of resonance.
Q: (T) Well I guess I'm out of resonance. (L) Why is Terry out
of resonance?
A: Too long absence and cares of life.
Q: (T) Too much 3rd density?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) It's been a busy summer. (J) There's been a lot
happening. (L) Alright so, tell us what to do about it, do you
want to know what to do about it?
A: Interaction is highly desirable. Even if only he is in
contact via email.
Q: (T) Email? Do they have email at 6th density?
A: Grooving is long process.
Q: (T) So being away too long is a loss of the groove,
frequency?
A: Not loss, failure to keep with pace of rapid advancement of
process of network.
Q: (T) Well, that could be. (L) Well you didn't lose anything.
(T) I just haven't gained anything. (J) We haven't been keeping
up with the story because we've been focused on other things.
We've been away mostly for four years since we moved up north.
But I think up until maybe the past whatever, he still kept in
touch and kept involved in it. But I think with everything
that's been happening he hasn't had time. (T) Gotta work to
survive.
A: He is holding steady.
Q: (T) Well steady's better than nothing I guess. At least I can
be considered steady. (T) Can I try again? (L) Try it, just keep
kicking in.
A: Yes keep signalling.
Q: (T) Hello. Hello. (L) We've been doing a lot of thinking
about it and it's a noise to signal thing and then of
course...(J) It's almost like tuning in a radio station. (L)
Yeah.
A: Cow.
Q: (Laughter) (L) Okay, I've got to find out what cow means. (T)
Are you calling me a cow? Moooo (Laughter).
A: Sacred cows.
Q: (T) I'm a sacred cow? I've got cats, there sacred cats. We've
got cows down the street. What kind of sacred cows? (L) Sacred
cows is a term the group uses that refers to when people hang on
to certain ideas that they ought to let go of; hanging onto
assumptions and ideas...(J) They're holding you back...(L)
Right. In fact did you see our little image --No Sacred Cows, NO
BULL? Are you saying Terry has sacred cows?
A: Somewhat.
Q: (T) Well doesn't everybody? (L) Hah! Not anymore. We have
learned how to get rid of them, very painfully, I should add!
(T) And me I always considered myself a sacred cow buster.
A: Terry needs to get in the groove.
Q: (T) How do I get in the groove?
A: Networking works.
Q: (T) Does that mean I need to post on the message board
occasionally? I try to keep up with what you're writing. That in
itself is a lot of work.
A: Attention is a bi-directional signal. It works best in an
exchange.
Q: (J) So where just reading the posts doesn't keep the energy
up as much as participating, is that what you mean? (A) That's
kind of like when you learn something and you do not do
exercises, it's not the same. Exercises flow from you to answer,
only when you answer do you really get some help processing. If
you just read without answering it is different processing. (T)
It very well could be. How well does the board work with anybody
else? People who never touched the board before? (L) Well, we
haven't even been doing that anymore. It's too iffy. (A) But in
the beginning we tried it and had trouble. (J) How often is
there someone other than just the two of you on the board? (L)
Never. We don't anymore; we just don't even do it anymore. (J)
So it's always just the two of you? (L) Yeah, that's the
resonance I guess. (J) So it's as much the fact that the process
has grooved to the two of you... (A) Yes, this is probable.
(J)...coupled with the fact that Terry's been away and maybe not
as grooved into the energy because of everything that's been
going on. (T) Can it be the energy itself has changed? Or that
each person brings different energy?
A: Resonance that is pure is a property of co-linearity. It can
resonate thereby to a stronger signal of similar purity.
Q: (A) Co-linearity essentially means going in the same
direction. (J) Running along the same lines in similarity. (J)
You two are co-linear right now, you have been since you've
connected, you've always been co-linear. So that's how it's
grooved to your resonance to each other. (L) Yeah. (T) Does that
mean we're co-linear, with more twists maybe (to Jan)? (J) Well
I think we are. (L) Well the one thing that I think happened or
is happening with the group because of the interaction is that
everybody is becoming more or less co-linear. It's like
increasing, it's like everybody is...their all coming to the
same...I don't even know how to say it. It's not the same
because everybody has their own particular perspective, it's
like they contribute to it. It's like a whole bunch of different
people in a circle looking at something, and they're all
describing their particular perspective of it... (T) Like their
describing an elephant. (L)...and the whole elephant is growing
out of it. (J) In other words it's building upon everyone's
concentration and their particular focus. It's like everyone's
bringing their...(L)...And contributing ...(J)...focus to the
table and it's all building from that. (L) Yeah, that's the only
way I can describe it because everybody has individual
perceptions, but what we're learning is something in the middle
that's growing out of everybody's contribution. And then of
course this person over here, by contributing their view, that
person over there is able to have access to it, to know it. (J)
Well if it's building as you go along, everyone's perception of
it changes as it builds because it's changing. And they are
looking at it, and as they're seeing it and keep contributing
different things as it changes. (L) Yeah, and then the very act
of that exchange links them all together. (T) That makes sense.
I've always felt that by having the material out on the net, the
more people read it the more they become attuned to it.
A: Terry has much of value to contribute as well as much to
gain.
Q: (T) Okay, what are my sacred cows somewhat?
A: Your opinions.
Q: (T) My opinions are sacred cows? Which opinions, I have too
many of them. My opinions on what?
A: Many issues that might be opened to greater awareness by the
act of networking with many perspectives. It is important to not
close any doors.
Q: (T) True, but then my opinions are extremely outrageous and I
offend a lot of people with them. (J) Or are you closing doors.
(T) Am I closing doors by not expressing my opinions?
A: Doors are closed by not working with the challenges to
opinions of equal "strangeness."
Q: (T) But opinions are opinions and offending someone is a
totally different thing and I don't have any interest in
offending people with my opinions. (L) I don't think that was
the point. You only talk to people who don't have strange
opinions. (T) Umm, well I talk to people with really strange
opinions that make me look almost normal. (J) It says, "Doors
are closed by not working with the challenges to opinions of
equal strangeness." (A) Normally the point is that when you have
a strong opinion and the opinion clashes with someone else's
opinion there's a conflict and the question is: you can say I
don't care or you can try to resolve the conflict by analyzing
and being open to changing your opinion; not necessarily
agreeing with someone else's opinion. But by analyzing the two
different things you can make a step to see how changing your
opinion in a certain completely new direction is possible. You
see, this is black, this is white. Okay, what can we make of
this? Well, we may find out that there is a whole spectrum of
colors that we can discover a rainbow, you see. We then see: "Oh
my god, huh, a rainbow!" that we may not have known existed. (J)
And then you realize: "When I did not see your white to my black
neither of us saw the stuff in between." (L) Well, one of the
things we've seen that happens with the group is somebody will
have an opinion, I'll have an opinion, anybody can have an
opinion, but they'll say we don't really like to talk about
opinions too much. You've seen the way that dynamic works. You
can say you have an opinion - or "my truth" - and somebody will
say 'On what do you base your opinion, explain it.' And usually,
in the course of explaining an opinion, they'll say 'Oh, huh,
okay let's think about this opinion.' And then everybody will
talk about the opinion. And then, in the end, we may still have
the same opinion but for a different reason than we had when we
started out. Or, we may change it. (A) But I think the main
point is probably that people learn that this exchange or this
networking is not just the abstraction of difficult discussion,
but that it has direct application to their lives. They want to
do something like to be free of programming or to see to some
internal line, or to see the matrix working on everyone of them;
to note, to see, to interpret things that happen to them in
terms of the general framework of reality and better understand
their own place in it. And then it becomes a practical thing and
that's why people learn that being open to what is new, you can
notice things that are useful. [Further discussion]
Q: (T) So are there any particular opinions that you can begin
with that can point out that I can work on? (L) Oh Terry you
know you're not supposed to ask that, you know better!
(laughter)
A: He is trying to fool Mother Cassiopaea. Not today!
Q: (T) Nice try, no cigar (laughter).
A: No short cuts!
Q: (T) Well I have a lot to work with don't I? I have opinions
on everything. (L) Don't we all. (T) Which one...(L) Just start
throwing them out there. (T) How do I throw them out there
without being offensive? I just try very hard to not be
offensive to people...'cause I have no reason...
A: Ask questions!
Q: (A) It's very simple. If I have just opinions and my thing is
just to express my opinion to other people, it's a signal that I
don't want to learn anything. If I think I know all, where does
openness and growth come in? The solution is to just suspend all
opinion and just be curious and ask questions and see if you can
learn. Just do -- 'I am suspending all opinions. Even if have
one, I'm not going to express it.' Because sooner or later, if
you ask questions people will start thinking and trying to
answer, and then they will start asking:'Well, tell us what you
think.' Right? 'It's suspicious he is just ask question and he
is not giving anything from himself' (laughter). And then it
becomes a dynamic exchange.
A: Networking works!!!
Q: (T) Actually since we've been doing the antique shows I've
been talking to more people than I have in a long time; people
I've never met you know; people just all over the place out
there. Boy, some of them have opinions that make me feel good!
A: Are they co-linear?
Q: (L) Co-linear. Co-linear means going in the same direction.
(T) In other words, do they have the same opinions I have? (A)
No. No. Going in the same direction. (L) You don't have to have
the same opinions, but you want to go in the same direction.
What are their goals? (T) I don't know, for the most part
they're just people I talk to passing through on the shows. I'm
only talking to them for a few minutes. (J) There's no
co-linearity there. (A) They are not even co-linear in interest;
except for commercial ones. (T) Well, it doesn't hurt to try and
express the STO philosophy to them as they pass by; be nice and
friendly; show them that the whole world doesn't hate them. (J)
Were not quite up to pulling people off the street yet. (T) Do
you have any more to say on this?
A: First you must choose your goals. Then you network with
others with similar goals to achieve them. What do you want?
Graduation or repeating the grade?
Q: (T) Oh well graduation is always the best. (L) Well you know
what Gurdjieff said - 'No one can escape alone. You have to have
a group and you have to have a plan, and you have to work.'
Nobody can do it alone and you have to do it with the help of
somebody's who done it before. It's a very important thing he
said about that. He said first you have to understand you're in
prison and then you have to learn about the prison and you have
to learn about how to get out, and you can only learn about that
from somebody who's already gotten out. And you can't do it
alone because it takes a whole team. (T) To get out? (L) Yeah,
that's what he said, and it's so true. Because the minute you
start wiggling around in the matrix, it comes down on your head.
(T) Well the matrix is programmed to keep us here. And keep us
stupid. (L) Yeah. Okay, are we done with you Terry? (T) I think
so! But I have a question. What happened to Ark and Laura's
computer system this weekend?
A: Mainly it is a psychic signal of impending quantum shift.
Q: (T) Just because the computers went down? Uh, can you expand
on that a little bit?
A: Fluidity of reality affects such "hardware" which is
sensitive to such flux.
Q: (A) So something is going to shift, reality is fluid,
hardware is affected, and all kinds of things happen probably
due to the interaction of what is outside us and the hardware.
It's hard to find the real prime reason, see. (L) I think what
happens sometimes is the reality starts fluxing, and then you
become psychically aware of this reality flux, and the psychic
energy in your own system then affects those things in your
environment that are attuned or sensitive to your psychic
energy. In this way, your psychic energy can signal you. I
guess, it's like the black cat walking by twice, that would be
one way of putting it. (A) I think it's like with this magician,
the real magicians like the one you were talking about today,
who mix what is called slight of hands with real magic, right?
And one helps to other and you can say: Well he isn't showing
real magic because it's all tricks. No! Some yes, but some is
real magic. But he's mixing them together because, well it
works. The real magic doesn't always work. It works once in
awhile and you have no full control so you must help with your
exercises. It's the same when we interact with our reality. It
is fluid when we are in a certain state. And, when it is fluid
because of our state, also electrical things are in a certain
state. And some of the things that happen are probably because
of our interaction. What was the reason? Part of the reason was
there somehow something unusual happened, because thousands
times you switch and maybe you switched in a different way than
always, right? So that's what I think.
A: Chaos is part of the conditions or the creation of a new
reality.
Q: (T) There's a lot of reality out there to break down... What
is the quantum change that's coming? Quantum shift.
A: This depends on the observer.
Q: (T) Okay that makes sense. Depending how the change affects
you will be the way you relate to it, and everybody would relate
a little different. Also they nicely side stepped the question.
(J) No, there would be no one answer. So, something's coming,
that's what the computer's picked up. [A loud crashing sound is
heard from the vicinity of the office and weight lifting
equipment. All get up to go investigate, but nothing is found.]
Q: (T) Did you just open a quantum door for us?
A: Ha ha! Had you going.
Q: (T) Had you going? (J) Yeah, we left the room didn't we? (T)
You did that?
A: You did.
Q: (T) We did? I did. I did? How did I do that? (A) I have no
idea.
A: Psychic flux.
Q: (T) I hope whatever it was, it wasn't the computer. Ark spent
too much time today getting them to work again. [A discussion
ensued concerning the sound they had heard in a part of the
house that was described by Terry as the sound of a door opening
and closing very loudly.]
A: Just think of all the potential that is untapped.
Q: (J) Did we all do that, or did Terry?
A: Mostly Terry because of his chaotic inner state at the
moment.
Q: (T) Okay, I'm in a chaotic state of some kind. (J) Is it
because of the caffeine and sugar?
A: Not really. Terry is seeing a path and is in turmoil at the
inner awareness of the choices ahead and the potentials. He gave
up many goals in the past and there is a great sensation of loss
and desire to resume the path.
Q: (T) Okay, that's pretty heavy. (J) Yeah it is.
A: It was when it fell, too.
Q: [Laughter.] (T) Okay, humor, mirth. When it fell. I like
that. That was good. They've never talked about me like this
before. I don't know what to ask. What more do you have, go
ahead continue. Keep right on explaining things to me and I'll
see if I can come up with some questions. I'm just kind of
confused right now! (A) Didn't you have something to say, a
question you wanted to ask? (L) Umhmm. Yeah, but I forgot what I
was going to ask. Everything fell on the floor and whatever. (A)
It was something we were talking about earlier. (L) I was going
to ask if I needed to be any more concerned or observant with
this other situation we were discussing earlier, or not? The BT
thing?
A: Awareness is good and the understanding that even those who
may be fooling themselves and others can be helped by the
pretense in some ways.
Q: (L) Well that helps. In other words, if there is some
pretending or attempting to fool, as long as are aware, of it,
we can allow it to continue in the case that it might help the
person, and the help they are giving is also useful. Because
sometimes people pretend and then they realize that by
interacting in the environment into which they have pretended
their way, they actually like it and they become more real than
they're pretending to be. You know what I mean? (T) Oh yeah,
absolutely. (L) So maybe that's what's applicable. (T) That
could very well be. I know what you're referring to. I have one
more question about the computers problem, okay? Should Ark
consider reformatting the other server Windows 2000 on it, just
in case something's there also?
A: This problem is soon to be solved in an unusual way.
Q: (T) Oh good, okay, then you don't have to do 2000 on there
again. (A) Maybe it works now. (T) Only a thought that came to
me only because their blowing through $50 Firewalls and $50,000
firewalls and ozline can't tell you who it is, and the phone
company can't tell you who it is. They see the activity, but
nobody knows what is going on. (A) Yeah. (L) Okay so we don't
have a computer problem that we need to worry about. (T) I have
some issues to deal with, but that can be done easily. I have a
path to follow. (L&J) I don't know if it can be done easy! (T)
Well I'm trying to convince myself, I'm thinking I'd much rather
reload Windows 2000! Any last words, any other questions? Any
advice, thoughts, ideas, directions? Beside "discover."
A: Seek ye first the desire of the heart and all else falls into
place.
Q: (T) I like that, that's a very classy little saying right
there. That would make a good T-shirt. Any other questions? (L)
The only question I have now is... there comes that damn
helicopter! (T) That's spooky, that's not Bayflight is it? (L)
They masquerade as all kinds of helicopters - police, Bayflight
- see what he does. (T) You know, the SWAT team drops down, 'we
want to talk to you about $5 million of equipment from
Washington.' (J) Yes, I have a question. Is there anything that
I can do to help Terry?
A: Best to let him lead on this one.
Q: (T) Okay, let me ask one more question, I know everybody's
getting tired. With these goals that I gave up was that because
I was being an ass or because I really was doing something good
for somebody else when I was giving them up?
A: Mostly the former with the qualifier that it was mostly fear
of loss.
Q: (T) I'm trying to understand what they're saying and put it
into perspectives with my life. Was I being STS or STO at the
time when I was giving these things up, it sounds like I was
being STS. So I was hurting myself, just doing that.
A: Wanting to help others can often be STS if the reason, at
deep levels is fear.
Q: (T) Fear of what?
A: Loss.
Q: (T) Hmm, I'll have to ponder on this awhile. (L) Loss of
what? (T) That's a good question, loss of what?
A: Respect, love, others opinions, and a big one: self image.
Q: I think what they're saying is you gave up things that you
wanted to do to do other things that you thought were things
that you ought to be doing to help other people, and the reason
you did it that way was because you thought that if you didn't
sacrifice yourself and your own wants and needs and these things
that you wanted to follow and pursue, that other people would
have a lesser opinion of you, or they wouldn't love you or they
wouldn't like you, or they would think that you were just being
selfish and mean, or something like that...(J) Because you would
lose your own self image. (L)...and the self image was rescuer,
savior, fixer, helper. (T) Well that kind of sums it up doesn't
it? (L) Hey, we've all been there. Fear of loss. The big one,
loss of your self image. (T) Okay I can work with that, that's
something to work with. Uh, anything else?
A: Goodbye.
End of Session
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