November 21, 1998

Q: Hello.
A: Hello.

Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Mohnah.

Q: And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: Okay, we have a number of questions here... We have this paper here written by Henry P. Stapp... I can’t find page one, though...

A: Suggest you be more vigilant in efforts to find page 1.

[Break while page is found.]

Q: Alright, Henry Stapp says in the beginning of this proto-book: “This book is about you. This book is about you. It is about your essence: what you are, and how you are connected to that which you are not. Knowing this is important to you, because your beliefs about yourself, and your connection to ‘the other’ are ultimately the basis of every decision you make in your life. [...]You may think you know what you are. You may have been taught that you’re a giant bundle of cells, with each cell a complex arrangement of atoms connected to each other by simple mechanical laws. So you may imagine that science has shown you to be, basically, a giant machine: a huge mechanical device, advancing in a totally predictable way, governed, in principle, by the mechanical interactions of its tiny parts.[...] But what about your thoughts, your hopes, your aspirations, your ideas? How do they fit in? Surely, they are an important part of you. Indeed, together with your other experiential qualities, such as your sensations, and feelings, they are your essence. Your “material” self is important to you as the carrier of your experiential self, and as the link between your experiential self and the rest of nature. But how does this material self mesh with your experiential self? [...] What does science tell us about this connection? [...] Curiously, the consensus of scientific opinion on this basic question of the connection between our material and experiential selves is based on a theory that reigned from the time of Isaac Newton until the beginning of this century, but that was replaced about seventy years ago. by a theory that differs from it, basically, precisely on this question of how our material and experiential selves are related. [...] According to the earlier theory, any large system, including the entire universe, changes in essentially the same way that a mechanical clock is imagined to change: the large-scale movements are completely determined by local mechanical interactions between its tiny material parts. No one’s experiences have, fundamentally, anything to do with it. [...] But the basic contemporary physical theory, quantum theory, if taken seriously, says just the opposite: it says that our experiential knowings are the basic dynamical units, and that what had in earlier times been understood as material particles that could exist apart from knowings, must be replaced by a knowledge-bearing structure. This structure evolves the knowledge created by earlier knowings into the makings of later knowings. So instead of tiny atoms controlling each other, and thereby all knowings, it is rather the knowings that are the basic irreducible units: they enter as entire units into a dynamic structure that carries forward the facts fixed by past knowings to produce the possibilities for future knowings.” Now, my understanding of what he is saying is that he is replacing the ‘former clock’ with just another ‘clock.’ He says that this is what Quantum Theory is saying; that all of the fundamental units of quantum physics are ‘knowings,’ that these are the basic irreducible units. Could you comment on this idea?
A: How do you suppose this could be?

Q: Well, that is what I am asking you. This is what he is saying that Quantum Theory says.
A: Where does one fit the proverbial square peg into the round hole?

Q: Please don’t be too cryptic with us tonight as we are really pretty desperate here and have thought ourselves into exhaustion!
A: Desperation is not necessary, or helpful.

Q: Well, we have read and thought and gone over the sessions, and discussed it and have no satisfactory conclusion. Stapp says that the wave function represents our knowledg of the system and that the reduced wave packets are more precise knowledge after measure. The question is: is there more than OUR knowledge and which is beyond...
A: The question is: Is knowledge physical? Can it be physicalized? Is not physics the study of that which is physical?

Q: Alright, can knowledge be physicalized?
A: No.

Q: (A) Can knowledge be converted to mathematics? A: Yes. As we have indicated, mathematics serves as a bridge between that which is physical and that which is not.

Q: So, Stapp quotes Heisenberg saying: the transparent clarity of a mathematics that represents no longer the behavior of particles but rather our knowledge of this behavior.” Can that be a correct statement in reference to Quantum Physics?
A: But there are no “units” of knowledge.

Q: He says: certainly our knowledge can change suddenly, and that this fact justifies the use of the term ‘quantum jump’. “ Is a sudden change in knowledge equivalent to a quantum jump?
A: What is the definition of “Quantum”

Q: (L) A measurement? Quantification?
(A) When we say ‘quantum jump,’ we mean a jump that is typical of quantum phenomena, such as manipulation of particles, electron jumping from one orbit to another... anything that changes rapidly and for which we do not have a mechanical description because we don’t understand what is in between, how this jump happens. A sudden change of value, state or something... decay of a particle...
(L) So, Stapp says: “at Solvay, physicists, of all people, had come up with a rational solution, based on empirical evidence, in which all of the observed regularities of nature that had formerly ascribed to matter, were present without there being anything like ordinary matter. The mathematical structure needed to account for the classical regularities of nature, plus all the newly discovered ones whose existence could not be reconciled with the classical conception of matter, arose from the mathematical properties of the knowings themselves!”

A: Mathematical properties? Yes. But when one is working from the wrong premise, where does one “get off.”

Q: (A) What wrong premise?
A: The premise from which you are quoting.

Q: (L) He says: Orthodox quantum theory is pragmatic: it is a practical tool based on human knowings.
A: In a sense, maybe.

Q: (L) Here is where he attacks: “The wording is again subtle, and confirms the thesis that the mathematical structure of quantum theory is about our knowledge. But it assuages the intuitions of physicists by speaking of events out there at the device that presumably are not controlled by human observers or observations. But the mathematical structure of the theory does not describe those external physical events themselves in micro-physical terms: the mathematical structure is tied to our descriptions, basically in plain everyday language, of the human experiences that we normally imagine to be caused by ‘events out there’.” Now, my question is: do events ‘out there’ occur?

A: Yes.

Q: What is it that quantum physics is describing?
A: Vague.

Q: Of course I know that’s vague. Stapp says: “On the other hand, there is a suggestion that there really are events occurring ‘out there’, which are we are observing, and which do not derive their beingness from our observations of them.” Are there events out there that we are observing that do NOT derive their beingness from our observation?
A: Yes.

Q: The events out there derive their beingness from what?
A: From their beingness.

Q: What is at the root of their beingness that makes their beingness different from ours?
A: This is completely the incorrect concept.

Q: What is the correct concept?
A: All is one and one is all.

Q: Well, that is not helping us here. That’s what he’s saying! He is saying that everything is just ‘knowings.’
A: No!

Q: Are we interacting with something out there?
A: Of course, but it is not just “out there.”

Q: So, Stapp says: “I call the idea that the formalism is directly about ‘physical events out there at the devices,’ the Vulgar Copenhagen Interpretation. It is vulgar in the sense that it is coarse, in the way just mentioned, and it is common. [...] This Vulgar Interpretation is common among practicing quantum physicists.” And, it seems that he is directing this particularly at Ark, since Ark is one of the creators of what Henry is here calling the ‘Coarse Copenhagen Interpretation.’
A: And....

Q: Well, he further says: “In classical physics this distinction is, of course, again present, but once duly noted is not very important. In orthodox quantum theory this distinction is crucial. [...] My aim, basically, is to reconcile the insight of the founders of quantum theory that the mathematical formalism of quantum theory is about knowledge with the demand of Einstein that our basic physical theory be about nature.” So, what is Nature and why is it out there?
A: It is not “out there.” Why are you stuck on this?

Q: I am trying to get through this. He says: “Of course, pushing the boundary all the way to mind brings mind into our theory of nature. But why on earth should we try to keep mind out--- bottled up, ignored, and isolated from the physical world---when we know it is present, and seemingly efficacious, particularly when the intense struggle of physicists to find a rational way of accounting for observed phenomena led them to the conclusion that the rational way to formulate a theory that accounts for our experiences pertaining to “physical reality” has the form of a theory about knowings, not the form of a theory about matter. [...] In view of the failure of our seventy-year effort to exclude mind from our theory of nature I suggest that our rational aim should not be to resuscitate moribund matter, which we are well rid of, because of the two millennia of philosophical perplexity it engendered. Rather we must learn how better to understand knowings, within their natural habitat, the mathematical structure of the quantum formalism that accurately accords with our experiences rather than blatantly contradicting them.”
(A) Concerning this last sentence, Stapp absolutizes Quantum Theory, and he believes that Quantum Mathematical Formalism is sufficient to describe knowledge. I doubt this, because Quantum Theory is a very simple theory, and to describe knowledge mathematically, I believe that we have to go beyond the quantum formalism.
A: “Knowings” implies units of measureable physicality. Not so! Knowledge is not physical, thus constant.

Q: (L) Well, that is sort of his point. He is saying that nothing really exists except knowings...
A: No.

Q: (A) I have a problem here. You say knowledge is not physical. I don’t care just now what is the definition of physical or non-physical. The question for me right now is, is there some mathematical framework that describes at the same time a kind of a unified theory, that describes both atoms AND knowledge. Can one think of such... whether it can be described by a mathematical formaliam that will take into account BOTH?
A: Well, whether or not knowledge can be quantified or not is one question. But to understand the concept, one must rearrange one’s mathematical thinking to fit into the non-physical realm. Atoms represent the foundational measurement of material, or physical reality. It is possible to bridge the two, but not to combine the two.

Q: (L) Is quantum theory as it stands, about knowings or about physical units?
A: It is about measurement.

Q: Does quantum physics, as it is, describe matter?
A: This is missing the point altogether. Why does one need matter to measure?

Q: Well, this is our point. He is saying that all there is is mind, that you know things, and that the whole universe is an illusion of your knowings, so that your perceptions of perceptions are these knowings, and that the universe constantly changes based on these knowings, and all that is really changing is your knowings and you perceive your knowings change, and that is the whole thing. He is saying that...
A: There are no “knowings!!!!!!!”

Q: So Stapp’s idea about quantum physics being measures of knowings is completely...
A: False!

Q: (A) There is another question, because he absolutizes quantum physics, and it doesn’t even come to his mind that there is, perhaps, a better theory than quantum theory which describes more than just measurements, and that is somewhat along the line of Einstein’s Unified Field Theory, or something like that. He considers that Quantum Theory as we know it, that its mathematical formalism, is the last word and that we will never go beyond that.
A: Wrong, obviously.

Q: (A) The point is, of course, that no one up to the present time has found such a better theory.
A: But “now” is only the beginning.

Q: (A) Back to the concept of events; you said events exist. Is it true that every event is a splitting of the universe, or branching of the universe?
A: Events take many forms.

Q: (A) When events happen, it means that one particular thing out of many potential things was chosen, or are there other events? For me an event is when, out of many possible things, one is chosen. What are the other possible forms? Can we have some examples?
A: Events can transpire without knowledge.

Q: (A) What is characteristic of events that involve branching of universes? Is it that, for this particular event, consciousness must participate?
A: There is a critical juncture, which coincides with a discharge of energy.

Q: (A) There is a critical juncture in any event or in this particular type of event of branching?
A: Latter.

Q: (L) Does that mean that a branching event must be related in some way to consciousness or observation?
A: No.

Q: (L) Where does the energy discharge from?
A: Consciousness is on one side, and what is on the other?

Q: (L) What IS on the other side? Matter?
A: We have given the clue.

Q: (L) Energy?
A: Closer.

Q: (A) Okay, let me ask a little bit more technical question, in this theory about which I am supposed to write this paper, we are making a kind of a union of the standard quantum theory with something else that is not described by a wave function, which is supposed to objectively exist. But, this is a mathematical model. The question is: in reality, what is it that really exists? What are things that really exist?
A: Gravity is the key. Now, plug in your wave functions.

Q: (L) How can you describe gravity mathematically?
A: Must be possible! Review texts re: gravity.

Q: (L) We did... and either we are so dense, or we can’t get it...
A: Not dense, emotionally clouded. When one is in a defensive mode, all is “skewred,” including this conduit.

Q: (L) So, what is on the other side is consciousness and gravity?
A: No, reveiw texts and meditate to clear consciousness of emotional poison!

Q: (L) What is the source of this emotional poison? Our reaction to this paper?
A: Yes. Attack, attack. Break needed!

Q: (A) Who needs a break?
(L) Now?
A: You do.

[Break]

Q: (L) Okay, Stapp says: “Our ideas about matter and energy ensure that no matter, or energy-bearing stuff, can travel faster than light. Thus this faster-than-light result shows that reality certainly cannot be made out of “matter”, or any form of energy, as it is normally conceived. [..] How does orthodox quantum theory cope with this problem? [...] It tries to say that there is no problem, because the wave function represents only our knowledge. [...] The idea is this. Suppose you know that the nearby and faraway parts of a physical system are strongly correlated. Then your new knowledge about some nearby part can often give you immediate knowledge about a faraway part, without that faraway part being affected physically by your act of looking at the nearby part. Thus your seeing that one end of a compass needle points north can immediately tell you that the other end points south, without your actions having any immediate physical effect at all on the south end. [...] Faster-than-light connections in the realm of knowings are thus deemed unproblematic. [...] This argument is based on the normal idea that these knowings are knowings about physical things.
The faster-than-light effect in the realm of knowledge clearly does not entail any such effect in the external physical reality. Hence this effect in the realm of knowledge is seen to be nonphysical: to be not physically real.[...] But if one were to take knowledge itself as the basic reality then there might be a problem, for there would be no other “physical” reality upon which to base the claim that the faster-than-light effect in the realm of knowledge is “not physically real”. Such an embarrassment might arise if one were to interpret quantum theory literally as a description of a knowledge-based, rather than matter-based, reality. [...] But Heisenberg and Bohr circumvented such a faster-than-light embarrassment by not taking quantum theory seriously: i. e., by effectively rejecting the idea that the knowledge-based mathematical formalism describes a corresponding knowledge-based reality. Thus when Heisenberg describes “what happens ‘really’ in an atomic event” he talks about the events at the measuring device, and hence effectively validates the normal idea that the ‘knowledge’ that the formalism is about is, in the normal way, knowledge about physical events. The knowings are not, in the orthodox view, to be regarded as the basic realities, even though they are the realities that the formalism is based upon. [...] Thus there are two powerful reasons for asserting that the quantum formalism does not give a description of reality itself . The first is that this move saves our common sense intuitions that there is something ‘out there’; the second is that it apparently helps to save us from having to admit that there are real faster-than-light effects.
(A) I would like to know who is paying this Stapp and why?
A: Those who are against unlocking the truth are at the “core.”

Q: (L) Have we discussed Stapp enough?
A: Yes.

Q: Next subject: Mike has sent some follow-up questions. His first question is: Does the mystery surrounding Rennes-le-Chateau have to do with what Henry Lincoln describes as the ‘Temple,’ which is some ancient megalith...
A: No.

Q: (M) He says: I’ve had three experiences with aliens, who kindly provided me with silicone beads of some kind. Were these physical abductions or just projections?
A: One begets the other. A projection involves transdimensional atomic remolecularization.

Q: (M) When and where was the last experience?
A: April and in sleep state. There is a window which overlooks sloping meadow. Fruit trees, possibly apple, nearby.

Q: (L) Why did you bring up this window and this meadow and fruit trees? Is this the window through which this occurred?
A: Let it play out.

Q: (M) Will the silicone beads show up in an x-ray?
A: No.

Q: (M) In the dream about the ‘communication device,’ was that a memory of a previous experience, or was it an actual experience that happened that night?
A: Reflection.

Q: (M) With respect to RV and chemical/magnetic alignments improving psychic abilities, can this be artificially induced by locally applied magnetic fields?
A: Dangerous to experiment with. Like Franklin and his kites.

Q: (M) My friend Marc had a dream a few nights ago which he feels is related to the previous one. He was hit in the head by a 2X4 wielded by a child, which immediately woke him up. He caught sight of a movement out of the corner of his eye when he woke up. What was the moving object or creature?
A: Interdensity energy.

Q: (M) Was this, in any way, related to implants and alien encounters?
A: Indirectly.

Q: (M) Was it significant?
A: All is.

Q: (M) Is the source in the books “Conversations with God,” a reliable and accurate source?
A: Only partially.

Q: (L) Okay, I got the “Robot’s Rebellion,” book and I was hoping this was going to be something useful, and he says in here: “Just as the sun is the mind that guides the Solar System, the Galactic Mind guides the galaxy and the Universal Mind guides the universe. The Source is the mind that guides all creation. Sunspot activity is linked to this flow of energy from the sun to the solar system, and this indicates the times when the flow is at its most powerful.” Are sunspots an indication that a flow of information is at its most powerful?
A: Maybe.

Q: Then this David Icke says: “The imbalanced consciousness that I will call Lucifer is not an essential part of the positive/negative balance. He is a disrupting, disharmonious aspect of consciousness, which is not necessary for human evolution. More than that, Lucifer’s efforts to close off the channels that link humanity to its higher understanding have blocked, not advanced, our evolution.” Is this a correct assessment of this Luciferian Consciousness, that it is not part of the positive/negative balance of the universe, and that it has blocked our evolution?
A: No.

Q: Can you comment on the Luciferian consciousness and what part it may play in our evolution and reality?
A: It is part of the lesson plan.

Q: That was my thought as well, but he says that because of this problem with the Luciferian consciousness, the “higher levels of creation began to intervene because Lucifer was imposing its misunderstandings on others and breaking the universal law of free will. Is this true?
A: No.

Q: I have read about this ‘decision to intercede’ by higher levels of consciousness who look down upon mankind and feel sorry for our terrible suffering, and that somehow, if something isn’t done, the whole universe will be overcome by this evil... so it has got to be ‘stopped.’ A number of sources promote this idea, which then leads, generally, to claims that this or another alien group is part of the ‘good guys’ or bad guys, or whatever. Is any of this idea accurate?
A: No.

Q: So, what is, IS, and we only suffer exactly as much as we need to learn? Is that it?
A: There is more to it than that, but at this point, you would be unable to comprehend.

Q: Icke says “this Luciferian consciousness is a large aspect of Divine Consciousness which chose to work against the Source. Is this true?
A: Not really.

Q: Well, it SEEMS that the Luciferian Consciousness is working against the Source. If it is not, what is it doing?
A: Balancing where needed.

Q: He says: “Other volunteers, aspects of very highly evolved consciousness, came into the universe and this galaxy in an effort to restore harmony. They did not incarnate in physical bodies on the earth, they arrived in spacecraft, some of them miles in length, while others simply manifested themsleves here. These were extraterrestrials who came to bring knowledge to this planet hundreds of thousands of years ago.” Is this true? Yes or no?
A: Neither.

[Phone rings and BRH joins session]

Q: (BRH) Is there anything I should know at this point about Kim in relation to me?
A: Vague!

Q: (BRH) Should I pursue this?
A: He is not getting it yet. All there is is lessons.

Q: (BRH) Talk about vague!
(L) It is a reflection of the vagueness of your question.
A: Vague in, vague out!

Q: (BRH) Okay, I like Kim and I am considering pursuing a relationship with her.
A: Some like to dance from the proverbial fire to the frying pan, and some do not. But what good would a lesson be, if not containing the potential to learn!?!

Q: (L) I guess that I would say that you need to follow your instincts and don’t let emotion run the show. One of the biggest things working against us...
A: Right at this point, the emotional switch is turned on “high.”

Q: (L) Most human emotions are not, as some people think, of the soul; they are chemical. And, these chemicals can be stimulated to turn emotions on and off - witness a lot of women who suffer from PMS. All kinds of waves and frequencies around us, including those emanated by other people, can turn these chemicals on and off. This is what happens when the ‘hooks’ get into your flesh from propinquity. When you encounter a new person, the same thing can happen over again in a very powerful way, and, of course, because of the euphoric effect of a new set of stimuli, it makes you think that ‘oh, this is DIFFERENT! This is the SOUL!’ I can assure you that, if what happens between two people, occurs due to the physical presence of the other person ALONE, watch out! This knowledge is hard won, believe me.
A: If Devin has questions, why not allow Devin to question?

Q: (L) Okay, I’ll shut up.
(BRH) I’m getting the sense that the chapter is not closed on this Kim deal. But, moving on, I have a friend named Lisa on the net who is pleading with me for help. She doesn’t know if she is losing her mind or what, and I told her I would try to do what I can. So, the question she asks is: ‘Am I losing my mind or what?’
A: Or what.

Q: (BRH) Any advice?
A: As with all others, we get into trouble when we first assume, then attempt to collect data to substantiate our assumptions.

Q: (L) I guess that is what they are saying to her, that she has made an assumption and is trying to collect data to...
A: No commentaries are needed, unless you wish to risk destroying the value of the message!!! [Dog begins to bark]

Q: (BRH) Last time you were tying to direct me to inquire about career and family, and that I did not see it or understand it at the time because I was thinking more in terms of job. I don’t think I used the opportunity to inquire deeply enough into those issues. So, I would like to know if you have any further comments about career and family issues for me?
A: Only if specific inquiries are made.

Q: (BRH) I have been toying with the notion of dropping out and writing a book. Any advice on that?
A: Sounds good to us!

Q: (L) [Remarks about Tom French, journalist who is writing about the Cassiopaean group who just recently won Pulitzer Prize] So, if he ever gets the segment about this published, I guess we will be about the only channeling group investigated by a Pulitzer Prize Winner!
A: Oh boy, oh boy!

Q: (L) Are you guys being sarcastic or happy?
A: Both.

Q: (L) [To BRH] Well, the C’s predicted his Pulitzer Prize... you know, he went through a divorce after becoming involved with us, the photographer assigned to him went through a divorce, I went through a divorce...they had made predictions about the upcoming changes in his life, and he completely would not believe it, but now that it had transpired, he wanted to know what else was going to happen to him, and how he was going to feel about it. So, the C’s told him that he was going to be 100 per cent happy with the upcoming changes... and that is about as far as they would go with it. But, after the fact, he knew what they meant. Hopefully, his experiences are going to incline him to write about us kindly...
(BRH) I was very happy about a remark you made several years ago about my youngest daughter, and the fruit that was borne from that comment. Again, last time, you brought up my youngest daughter, and made the remark that the separation was not going to be for long. Do you have any further comment to make about that?
A: Strong soul connection there. Intertwined past lives, positive sense.

Q: (L) I guess you can ask how many past lives together... and go from there...
A: Not important.

Q: (BRH) What is the purpose for our relationship in this time?
A: That is for you to discover!

Q: (BRH) Any hints?
A: Nope.

Q: (BRH) If nothing else, your remark a couple of years ago has really borne some amazing fruit. I really thought she was a pain in the ass before, and I have really loved her deeply ever since you said what you did. There is a very special connection there that I don’t fully understand...
A: You will.

Q: (BRH) Thanks for nothing, guys!
A: Not nothing, now is it?

Q: (BRH) No, you are right, it is not. Thank you. I am aware that there must be some overarching purpose to my presence on the internet. I have established a huge number of contacts in an extremely diversified group of folks, and I felt really driven previously to provide data to all of them. But, lately, I am losing my zeal for that.
A: Zeal loss stems from approach. Better to teach than to preach.

Q: (BRH) Teach what?
A: Sharing info attracts.

Q: (BRH) On a cosmic level, I feel that there is some sort of purpose in what I have done up to this time. I have built this structure, what do I do with it now? I have this feeling that it has not happened for no reason.
A: Let it unfold without anticipation.

Q: (BRH) What is my purpose?
A: To BE!

[Conversation with BRH is concluded.]

Q: (L) I wanted to ask a couple more questions: you mentioned Jack and the Beanstalk in a previous session. I am concerned that there is nothing going on at present. We are in a sort of pause mode here.
A: All will be well.

Q: Devin was concerned that you might not think it would be a good idea for him to come...
A: Why would we think that?

Q: I know... but, any comment?
A: It would be good.

Q: Anything else tonight?
A: No. Good night.

End of Session

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November 28, 1998

Q: Hello.
A: Hello.

Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Nuthurra.

Q: And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (A) My first question concerns the guy who wrote last week from Brussels, and who, just two days later, invited me there and they were offering to pay all expenses for me to come and talk. On their web pages, they have all kinds of interesting things such as quantum computing, space propulsion and so forth. It is called “Stargate,” and I would like to know what is behind the interest of these people in Brussels.
A: They find you to be fascinating!

Q: (A) Who is behind them? Who is sponsoring all this research?
A: Something referred to as “Ducherme.”

Q: (A) Should I be especially careful in my contact with them?
A: These people are innocent, if a bit naive in their enthusiasm for “Millennial” pursuits.

Q: (A) Is there some future in this contact?
A: Only in maintaining your visibility within the scientific community.

Q: (L) Is that something that he wants to do?
A: Whether or not he wants to do it, it may be helpful.

Q: (L) So, establishing liaison with these people would be helpful?
A: Maybe.

Q: (A) Last time when we were talking, you made an essential division between the physical world and the non-physical world, ethereal world, the one which cannot be quantified. Now, I know something about the physical world, how it is built, and the main concepts of atoms and forces and so on. I would like to know what are the building blocks that describe this ethereal world. I am asking because you said that these two worlds can be bridged, if not united. In order to bridge them, I need to know something about this ethereal world. Where can I learn it?
A: Consciousness is in reality, the purest form of energy. The alter realm is composed of consciousness energy. To better understand the concept, one must utilize one’s memory of particularly vivid dreams, when one had the sensate of physicality in a transitory state.

Q: (A) How to bridge the physical and ethereal worlds?
A: Gravity is the key. One must formulate an hypothesis based upon the quantum range of wave particulate transfer. In other words, where does the wave go when it appears to disappear into the very core of an object with a strong gravitational field. Pentagon, hexagon, you know?!?

Q: (A) I understand that this gravity business is becoming the most important study, and that, essentially, I should concentrate my energy there and start back with formulation of gravity...
A: This best for the open-minded one of a scientific nature to keep focused upon magnetism/gravity. Utilize innate understanding of field physics in your search.

Q: (L) Okay, I stumbled across some information this week, quite by accident, about this Horsel business. What it says is: The moon-goddess, or Aphrodite, of the ancient Germans, was called Horsel, or Ursula... she is the pure Artemis; but, in accordance with her ancient character, she is likewise the sensual Aphrodite, who haunts the Venusberg; and this brings us to the story of Tannhauser. The Horselberg, or mountain of Venus, lies in Thuringia, between Eisenach and Gotha. High up on its slope yawns a cavern, the Horselloch, or cave of Venus within which is heard a muffled roar, as of subterranean water. From this cave, in old times, the frightened inhabitants of the neighbouring valley would hear at night wild moans and cries issuing, mingled with peals of demon-like laughter. Here it was believed that Venus held her court; “and there were not a few who declared that they had seen fair forms of female beauty beckoning them from the mouth of the chasm. Tannhauser was a Frankish knight and famous minnesinger, who, travelling at twilight past the Horselberg, “saw a white glimmering figure of matchless beauty standing before him and beckoning him to her.” Leaving his horse, he went up to meet her, whom he knew to be none other than Venus. He descended to her palace in the heart of the mountain, and there passed seven years in careless revelry. Then, stricken with remorse and yearning for another glimpse of the pure light of day, he called in agony upon the Virgin Mother, who took compassion on him and released him. He sought a village church, and to priest after priest confessed his sin, without obtaining absolution, until finally he had recourse to the Pope. But the holy father, horrified at the enormity of his misdoing, declared that guilt such as his could never be remitted sooner should the staff in his hand grow green and blossom. “Then Tannhauser, full of despair and with his soul darkened, went away, and returned to the only asylum open to him, the Venusberg. But lo! three days after he had gone, Pope Urban discovered that his pastoral staff had put forth buds and had burst into flower. Then he sent messengers after Tannhauser, and they reached the Horsel vale to hear that a wayworn man, with haggard brow and bowed head, had Oust entered the Horselloch. Since then Tannhauser has not been seen. The curious thing about this “Horsel” is that it reminded me of the time that you said I needed to get a better ‘handl’ on the matter. You later gave the clue ‘chevin,’ which means a variation of ‘horse,’ and there has been the clue of the arms of Rene D’Anjou in the book The Tomb of God, which had the vine growing out of the split tree topped by the rock, through the ‘handle’ of the grail, then there was the book The Horse of God. One of the mythical stories repeated about this Abbe Berengar Sauniere, was that, on his deathbed, he made his confession and the priest who heard it refused him absolution and the last rites, and apparently fled from the house horrified. I don’t know if that is true, but it is an interesting story in relation to this story about Tannhauser, particularly since Sauniere painted the decoration in his church of Mary Magdalene gazing at a stick with buds springing out of it, and she was depicted in a grotto, such as the Horselberg cave. Is this Horselberg something that we are looking for here?
A: Ever feel as if you are dancing around in circles?

Q: (L) Yes, but one of the unique things about this Horselberg business is that, the legend is that three ‘fiery objects’ landed on top of this mountain. And, if you draw a line from Horselberg, which is a ‘big rock,’ to the ‘big rock’ of Luxembourg, it crosses the Rhine exactly on the big rock of the Lorelei...
A: Tritium.

Q: (L) Well, Lorelei, translated from German, going back to the Saxon roots, is literally, ‘Laura’s rock.’ I just thought that was VERY funny. You had said to look for the three, the ‘triplicative connecting profile,’ a rock, and you mentioned sirens. Lorelei later evolved into a story about sirens...
A: Tritium mines.

Q: (L)[To Ark] What is tritium?
(A) In physics, it is an isotope of hydrogen. You have deuterium, and you have tritium, and you make fusion bombs out of tritium.
(L) So, there are tritium mines there?
(A) You cannot mine for tritium because it is a gas...
A: But what does it emanate from?

Q: (A) That’s a good question. I don’t know. We can find out.
A: Look for clue!

Q: (L) You say I am dancing around in circles...
A: We are saying, as always, pay attention to the words.

Q: (L) Well, this paper says also the following: the divining-rod itself is but one among a large class of things to which popular belief has ascribed, along with other talismanic properties, the power of opening the ground or cleaving rocks, in order to reveal hidden treasures. Leaving him in peace, then, with his bit of forked hazel, to seek for cooling springs in some future thirsty season, let us endeavour to elucidate the origin of this curious superstition. The detection of subterranean water is by no means the only use to which the divining-rod has been put. Among the ancient Frisians it was regularly used for the detection of criminals; and the reputation of -acques Aymar was won by his discovery of the perpetrator of a horrible murder at Lyons. Throughout Europe it has been used from time immemorial by miners for ascertaining the position of veins of metal; and in the days when talents were wrapped in napkins and buried in the field, instead of being exposed to the risks of financial speculation, the divining-rod was employed by persons covetous of their neighbours’ wealth. If Boulatruelle had lived in the sixteenth century, he would have taken a forked stick of hazel when he went to search for the buried treasures of -ean ValOean. It has also been applied to the cure of disease, and has been kept in households, like a wizard’s charm, to insure general good-fortune and immunity from disaster.
As we follow the conception further into the elf-land of popular tradition, we come upon a rod which not only points out the situation of hidden treasure, but even splits open the ground and reveals the mineral wealth contained therein. In German legend, “a shepherd, who was driving his flock over the Ilsenstein, having stopped to rest, leaning on his staff, the mountain suddenly opened, for there was a springwort in his staff without his knowing it, and the princess [Ilse] stood before him. She bade him follow her, and when he was inside the mountain she told him to take as much gold as he pleased. The shepherd filled all his pockets, and was going away, when the princess called after him, ‘Forget not the best.’ So, thinking she meant that he had not taken enough, he filled his hat also; but what she meant was his staff with the springwort, which he had laid against the wall as soon as he stepped in. But now, Oust as he was going out at the opening, the rock suddenly slammed together and cut him in two. Here the rod derives its marvellous properties from the enclosed springwort, but in many cases a leaf or flower is itself competent to open the hillside. The little blue flower, forget-me-not, about which so many sentimental associations have clustered, owes its name to the legends told of its talismanic virtues. So, here we also have staffs and flowers and birds and all sorts of things that can ‘open the ground,’ something going on underground, ‘rock-breaking’ plants, such as ‘saxifrage’ which became sassafras. It says here: ‘the further we penetrate into this charmed circle of traditions, the more evident does it appear that the power of cleaving rocks or shattering hard substances, enters as a primitive element into the conception of these treasure showing talismans.’ Then it talks about the schamir, by which aid Solomon was said to have built his temple, and that it is like a ‘worm no bigger than a barleycorn’ that could split the hardest substance. The bottom line is, that some kind of power, rock breaking, ground-penetrating power...
A: Does not gold conduct electricity, heat, etc.?

Q: (L) Yes, and gold is also called a ferrophile metal, or ‘iron loving,’ because it binds easily with iron.
A: And iron...

Q: (L) Iron in the blood... iron in the ground...
A: Magnetic...

Q: (L) Exactly. Anyway, somehow, all this connects backward to something that Solomon used to build his temple, and you told us previously that the secret that the Templars discovered UNDER the temple, was something that related anti-gravity and that it was ‘buried in Galle.’ So, yes, we are going in circles. Can you comment on my comments?
A: Circles, hmmm...

Q: (L) Yes, they are circles. The next thing we come to is that I discovered that alfalfa, in fact, a very particular type of alfalfa, does, indeed, grow in the German highlands. And, in fact, this alfalfa was brought via a route that you described... as France, Spain, Canary Islands, Morocco. I was asking about this story of the purported travels of Mary Magdalene, and you said that the people were not important, that the message was. You then said that the ‘artifacts hold the key’ and listed this sequence of places. I found a paper on the subject of alfalfa which described this exact route of the spread of alfalfa and it’s value in farming because it literally replenishes the ground it is grown in. So, it seems that you were describing the route of the alfalfa plant. Can you comment on this?
A: Now that you have found this out, perhaps you should research the properties of this mineral richa alfalfa and what it does for the body of homo sapiens?!?

Q: (L) That is an interesting thing. Alfalfa was named as the ‘father of foods,’ and was grown, primarily for, interestingly, horses! And, we have chevin and the ‘Horse of God.’ Anyway, one of the primary areas where this particular type of alfalfa was grown happens to be in Baden, right next door to this Horselberg... right off the banks of the Rhine. There is a valley there. Clover is, of course, a variation of alfalfa, and ‘dale’ is a depression in the groung. Could this be right there next to the location of the Lorelei rock off the Rhine?
A: Closer, and what of the four leaves?

Q: Yes, indeed. I will work on that. Now, one other thing I found was: here we have this legend of this Lorelei which became confused with mermaids. Now, the legend is that the house of D’Anjou was descended from the fairy-wife of Ingelgar, Melusine, who was a mermaid type creature. And, on the other side, we have the legend of the descent of the Merovingians from a ‘Quinotaur’ which was sort of described as a mer-man. I find it curious that both of these lines have legends of descending from these half-fish creatures, similar to the god Oannes of the Babylonians, and now we have the connection to the Lorelei which was confused with a mermaid. And, it is right there in the specific location along the Rhine where both of these families could be said to have ‘emerged,’ if not originated. Tannhauser was a form of the Frankish Odysseus, which connects us to the idea of the siren, and you mentioned the sirens as being a clue. Could you comment on that, please?
A: Siren song? What of this? What have we alluded to before about sound?

Q: (L) I was thinking that the ‘siren song’ is probably a mythical representation of anti-gravity.
A: Close.

Q: (L) Can you give me another clue?
A: No, you do not need one.

Q: (L) Okay, meanwhile back at Rennes-le-Chateau, there are these three priests and a bishop who have more money than they ought to have. Clearly, there is something going on there. My thought is, after analyzing it is, the purported ‘parchments’ found in the column of the altar in the church there, were never really found, that they and the purported code were both made up as a clever fraud; the whole thing was made up, yet there IS a mystery there. I also think that the connecting of the Shepherds of Arcadia painting to that church, that area of France, is fraudulent also. The smokescreen is being focused there to keep it from being directed elsewhere. Am I on the right track here?
A: Well, quite simply we would say, where is Arcadia?

Q: (L) Arcadia was Turkey. You have made many references to Turkey, to Troy, which was located in what is not Turkey. A lot of funny stuff tracks back there. And, Troy means ‘three.’ Interesting.
A: Tis a clue for you, not a destination!

Q: (L) Well, can you tell me just exactly what these guys, these priests, were getting paid to do or not do? What was the money changing hands for? It was a lot of bucks...
A: Keepers of the guard.

Q: (L) Guard of what?
A: Whatever was going on there.

Q: (L) It seems sort of significant to me that, when one of them was getting ready to retire, he was brutally murdered, and seemingly tortured before his death, and the following year this Abbe Sauniere purchased a large tract of land. Was there any connection between Sauniere and the death of Abbe Gelis?
A: Not the point. What happens to those who “know too much?”

Q: (L) Who was paying them? What was the source of the money?
A: Not available to you yet.

Q: (L) Was it true that, before he died, Sauniere made his confession and was refused absolution?
A: Not right track.

Q: (L) Were there ANY parchments found in the church there?
A: Ditto.

Q: (L) This gal, Martha Neyman, taking the story at face value, has walked around there and found all kinds of funny things, and she lines them up based on her formula, and they form ‘amazing patterns’ and so forth. Well, everybody has a different formula, everybody has a different theory and method, and they all seem to be finding things.... Their findings just seem to ‘mesh’ so synchronously with their theories and methods... it is totally amazing! It is like the UFO phenomenon. No matter what assumptions you start with, you can find evidence to prove your point! Things miraculously are THERE to support you!
A: That is why we gently prod you upon your quest, all the while suggesting patience, and no anticipation.

Q: (L) Okay. Mike had a couple of questions.
(M) Rennes-le-Chateau is on one of six peaks that form a very regular pentagon with La Pique in the center. Is this a natural formation, or is it a construction, or is it altered?
A: Not important. What is, is what is the effect?

Q: (M) Is this formation significant to the mystery of the area?
A: Most likely, eh?

Q: (M) The churches and castles in the area follow a very regular pattern. Are they built upon the foundations of previous structures, or cities, like lost Visigothic cities?
A: Best to refer to the 1954 UFO study done over the French countryside.

Q: (M) What are the beehive huts in the area?
A: Not germaine.

Q: M) Is Horselberg related in any way to this area?
A: No.

Q: (L) You said at one point that I should transfer the search to the United States and quit messing around in Europe. I have pored over maps for days, I have examined the index in the Atlas, and, aside from Hot Springs, Arkansas, and Tempe, Arizona, and the Plains of San Augustin, Socorro, Roswell, Magdalena, etc., nothing has really caught my eye. None of those places configure in any way that makes sense to me. Can you help me out here?
A: Horseheads, N.Y.

Q: (L) Does this mean.... Horsehead, New York?
A: Horseheads.

Q: (A) In what way is this to be related?
A: Is a key. Need lots of keys to unlock the house of gables.

Q: (L) Seven. Seven keys. Aaaaah... there’s Horsecave, Kentucky...
A: Anywhere near Mammoth Cave?

Q: (L) Yes, I believe so. Help me out here!
A: We are.

Q: (L) I feel like I just got picked up by the ‘great Roc’ and carried across the ocean and dropped, ‘SPLAT’ in the middle of another continent, without a clue about where to look!
A: We did not say “quit messing around in Europe.” Just do not limit it to that.

Q: (L) Well, I STILL want to know what is at the root of the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau, and why all this ‘cottage industry’ in treasure hunting is going on there...
A: Treasure hunters lack patience in their quest.

Q: (A) Is there something about these places, properties of certain minerals located at these sites around the world, is this an important factor?
A: Partly.

Q: (A) Okay, there are three possibilities. The first possibility is there are some important places because they are located in a special geo-magnetic position; second, these places are important because there are some natural resources there which make possible there something which is very difficult in other places. The third possibility is that these places have been used many, many years ago to bury some technological devices... and these three things can be related....
A: And all three can be true, in fact.

Q: (L) Last night we were discussing whether we may have had an incarnation in ancient Egypt together... could you answer that for us?
A: When were the pyramids built?

Q: (L) I guess that is sort of an answer. Did we participate in the building of the pyramids?
A: All one needs do is watch.

Q: (L) So, we watched the building of the pyramids. Could you tell us our names?
A: No.

Q: (L) Could you tell us what our relationship was?
A: No.

Q: (L) Will you tell us anything at all about it?
A: Not now.

Q: (A) Maybe we were watching from a space ship!
(L) Okay, now, since I have been reading all about Bavaria, and have traveled all over Germany with these clues, I want to go back to the past life in Bavaria you told us about before, where Freddie and I were brother and sister... children of a ‘Bavarian land-owner.’ Did this land-owner have other children?
A: No.

Q: (L) You said that the castle which was our home was still extant?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does that mean that it exists as ruins, or is usable?
A: Preserved.

Q: (L) Can you give us a connection so that I can maybe locate the building and have a look at it?
A: Stassel, von stassel, or similar.

Q: (L) You also said that I have a child from my last life in Germany, during the Nazi period, who is still living and travels between Austria and Belgium or somewhere like that. Is this individual still living at the moment?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there any way to find him, or would it be advisable?
A: Up to you. Records of specific Nazi atrocities are difficult to come by.

Q: (L) Would there be any clue that I could use in this search?
A: Reorganization camps.

Q: (L) Well, reading about this Ludwig II of Bavaria... it just made me think... was Freddie Ludwig?
A: No.

Q: (L) Well, it fit so well!!! On a lighter note: Blue sent a note where he had just read the run-down on the UFO personalities. In retrospect, I think they were pretty accurate. Anyway, he remarked that he wondered if you guys laugh as hard at Richard Boylan as he does. Any comment?
A: We need not “laugh” at the misfortunes of others.

Q: (L) I know... just an attempt at humor here! Now, is there ANY part of this Rennes-le-Chateau business that I COULD ask about, that maybe I am not thinking of how to ask the question?
A: You are progressing just fine.

Q: (L) So, if I am progressing ‘just fine,’ that must mean that my assessment of the parchments, and related things, is correct. This whole thing is probably cooked up to lead people completely astray from what is REALLY going on there. There probably isn’t a ‘treasure’ there, as such... is there something buried in that region of some considerable import?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Does it have something to do with alien, or extra-terrestrial, or ULTRA-terrestrial interference or activities on our planet?
A: Probably.

Q: (L) Did the three priests know that their interactions may have been connected to an Ultra-terrestrial organization?
A: No.

Q: (L) They were manipulated?
A: Sure.

Q: (L) Is that area a ‘window’ area similar to the area in New York?
A: These truths are self-evident.

Q: (L) Do buried minerals in the ground have something to do with window areas?
A: Ditto.

Q: (L) Are there large caches of gold buried at different places around the planet to enhance the ‘window’ effect?
A: Good possibility.

Q: (L) Is this the origin of the leged of the Rhinegold and the bridge to Valhalla supposed to be located there?
A: No more clues for tonight.

Q: (A) One last thing: if I splice this picture, the Arcadian Shepherds, vertically, and try to align the two halves, what should I look for?
A: That which is seen.

Q: (L) Good try, Dear!
(F) Is this the party to whom I am speaking?
[Laughter.]

(L) Try again! Hmmm.... a Quinotaur... a ‘five pointed’ being... I would say that Quinotaur is a being who manifests in 3rd density from 4th density by virtue of the relationship of the word ‘quinotaur’ to pentagon. Comment?
A: No.

Q: (L) Do the properties of alfalfa tend to enhance the non-physical effect, or vice versa?
A: Maybe it enhances that “psychic effects.” And, on that note, good night.

End of Session

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December 5, 1998

Q: Hello.
A: Hello.

Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Emorriha.

Q: And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: I would like to start with one thing that I don’t want to forget: last Friday, Ark’s friend Moshe, died. Since, during one session several years ago, you brought up the name ‘Moshe’ in conjunction with a discussion of our past life in Germany, and later on there were some funny connections to Dijon, and Moshe was based in Dijon, and I once asked if there was something significant about Moshe, which led into some very significant remarks about Orion and this Rhineland business; and you mentioned Tel Aviv, and Moshe has just been buried in Tel Aviv; so, I would like to ask if there is any particular significance regarding the sudden death of Moshe?
A: Please be more specific!

Q: Is Moshe’s death a marker of a reality shift?
A: Not really, in the sense that you are conceiving.

Q: I know that Sandra’s death was like a marker in my life, and I had the feeling that many things changed after her death, and perhaps even as a result of her death.
A: It was a marker, as you chose to make it so.

Q: Is there any subliminal connection between Moshe and Ark, Moshe and me, Moshe and both of us, or Moshe and our lives?
A: Moshe transited as a result of a genetic line defect.

Q: What...
A: Weakened arterial walls. Soul counts, not body.

Q: Well, how is Moshe doing at the present time?
A: Fine, but there is no “present time.”

Q: I know that, I’m sorry. Let me ask this: when you mentioned the name ‘Moshe’ at the time that Roxanne was present, was it this Moshe you were referring to?
A: There are so many Moshes, perhaps you should study the Hebrew root.

[Mosheh: drawing out; to pull out; rescued.]

Q: Well, there were some funny things going on in that session where you mentioned it. But, we will drop it for now. Okay, regarding this Rennes-le-Chateau business, Mike asks: I would like to know what or who created this pattern of mountains?
A: Mountains are a natural construct.

Q: Then he asks: about the beehive huts in the area, to which you answered ‘not germaine,’ and he said ‘yes, but I’m curious about the beehive huts.’ Is there any symbolism to the beehive huts in the area?
A: None.

Q: What were they used for?
A: Honey production!

Q: In what manner was this honey production accomplished?
A: Carefully, so as not to get stung!

Q: Very cute. Who was using these beehive huts for honey production?
A: 19th century agrarians.

Q: I thought they were supposed to be like really OLD! Do you mean A.D. or B.C.?
A: A.D.

Q: Okay, Mike asks further: The six mountains at Rennes-le-Chateau form a natural pentagon surrounded by a circle. This reminds me of ancient spell-casters surrounding themselves with a circle when summoning spirits or demons. Was this area set up as a giant gateway or place of summoning?
A: Gateways occur where the conditions are right.

Q: Is this area a gateway?
A: Window.

Q: If it is, do the five surrounding peaks contain or shield whatever...
A: Contain is o.k.

Q: So, he is right, it DOES contain. Does this have to do with Atlantean technology and energy production?
A: In an offhand way.

Q: Are there other significant natural formations that follow similar patterns that we should be looking for?
A: Yes, of course. And they are numerous. Monument Valley is but one example.

Q: Well, on the same subject: did Abbe Saunier put clues in the stations of the cross in the Church at Rennes-le-Chateau?
A: Some, but they are gilded.

Q: What do you mean by that?
A: You will see.

Q: Does the message involve all the stations of the cross?
A: Just look. Now folks, remember: Rennes-le-Chateau is a means, not an end. Sort of like unlocking the trunk, expecting to find the gold, and merely finding a map.

Q: So, when you said ‘template, Templar,’ you were possibly referring to the fact that what was going on here, the constructions, the name and word clues, and even the events and incidents may have been a model that we should look for in other places?
A: Temples too.

Q: What is the...
A: What is behind your temples?

Q: Behind, in a general sense? The creators, the instigators? The church?
A: Place your fingers upon...

Q: What do you put your fingers on that has to do with a temple? Place your fingers on your temple? On your head? What is behind your temple? Your brain...
A: Which part?

Q: Well, the TEMPORAL lobe... the part of the brain where magnetite is found.
A: Yes....

Q: So, what are you getting at here?
A: We are not, you will.

Q: So, the instructions or clues found in this place, may, in fact, apply to some other location? Is that it?
A: Or to a grid.

Q: Was Saunier aware of this grid?
A: It is not important, the grid is.

Q: What I am trying to get at is, if he was aware of it, he might have put clues about it in his decorations in the church.
A: Who says?!

Q: He wrote across the doorway of the church: Terribilis locus est, or This is a Terrible Place...
A: And some have put: “Biohazard” where they store riches.

Q: What grid are we talking about? An EM grid...
A: Yes. Meridians...

Q: In response to your remark from last week, ‘ever feel that you are dancing around in circles?’ Mike wanted to know if this was a reference to crop circles?
A: No, not directly!

Q: Then, you also said: ‘quite simply we would say, where is Arcadia?’ Arcadia ...
A: You need to work on that one. The answers to these mysteries are not easily solved, but well worth it!

Q: The chief thing I noticed about Arcadia was, the Arcadians were the enemies of the Trojans, they were the creators of the Trojan Horse - a huge deception... and the Celts are supposed to be the descendants of the refugees from Troy. And, when Hitler came along, one of his ideals was to resurrect Arcadia, and that Germany was going to be the new Arcadia and destroy the ‘old corrupt civilization,’ which was Troy. Troy is ‘three’ and is connected to ‘Ilium,’ and I guess what my question is here is: just who’s on first?
A: Who is on second?

Q: Who’s on first, who’s on second? Nope, not going to touch that one! Very quickly: Kathy and Bob have been having some bizarre things going on. On December 1, Bob was having a ‘fight’ with ‘Them,’ during a sleep state. He said he had to struggle to get his body to move and his mind to come awake, and he heard someone telling him that he was not supposed to fight as he tried to yell. Kathy asked him who he thought it was, and he said ‘the Grays.’ Kathy was in the half sleep state and remembers thinking at one point ‘they are here,’ only when she opened her eyes, no one was in the room. She asks: ‘Is this possible? We feel to some extent as if we have gone off the deep end. I do not like the way this feels. I know it has been said that this is not easy, and certainly that is correct. But I can’t help thinking that our minds are making all this up, after all, the C’s did say an abduction in our case did not occur. So, why would those guys be showing up now. We can hardly be any kind of threat, we are in kindergarten, for goodness sake.’ She writes that she is concerned for her children, too. Her son mentioned a dream of being a baby where a ‘ghost’ was looking into his crib. He wondered if it was a dream or a memory. Kathy said that it reminded her of the ‘little ghost people’ from Bob’s childhood. And she has heard that ghosts are often a screen memory of when the Grays have been around. What she really wanted to ask was about the pain in her left arm. She writes: ‘I don’t want to waste your time.’
A: Too many assumptions!! Best to investigate with an open mind. Something about a well, white wood frame homes.

Q: That’s the clue she should follow?
A: “Kindergarten, ??!?” Why must we think our consciousness is thusly limited? Who knows of the content of the soul matrix if not adequately investigated?

Q: Anything else to help her out so that she doesn’t feel like she is going off the deep end?
A: No.

Q: One final question: Martha Neyman has written back to say that she thinks this Rennes-le-Chateau is just a simple country village with a simple mystery, and there are no aliens, there is no conspiracy to control the world, and, therefore, she does not feel that any further communication on the matter is worthwhile. I, of course, agree. I spent too much time trying to point her in new and possibly fruitful directions, and she seemed only to want me to agree that she was so terribly clever with her naive symbolic interpretations. Do you have any comment on that?
A: No.

Q: Okay, I am done.
(A) I want to ask about this grid business. I have this book with this ‘sacred geometry’ business, Bruce Cathie and all that. These people draw these grids with geometric shapes that differ from simple meridians. I would like to know how to find out what is the true geometry of this grid? Is it as complicated as they draw it, or is it as simple as longitude and latitude? Can I have some help with this?
A: Seek answers in the pyrotechnics.

Q: (L) Do you mean having to do with explosives or fireworks?
A: All that is related to the root. For example: lightning.

Q: (L) Yes, but what we are asking is how to SHAPE, to construct a correct grid! Is there a particular geometric figure that applies, and are there particular locations ...
A: No, no, no. You are assuming, and you are not being patient.

Q: (A) I don’t understand what this pyrotechnics is about, but first question: at some point we were asking about this magnetic grid, and we were told that the grid lines are located about every 200 miles, and that it is a regular pattern of lines...
A: Yes, but those are primary. What happens at the poles?

Q: (A) At the poles, these lines converge, and the pattern becomes more complex, I suspect.
A: Convergence.

Q: (A) Okay, they converge at the poles, and probably go inside.
A: In atmosphere, there is undulation. At core, there is primary convergence, and that is also your doorway/bridge.

Q: (A) Core of the Earth?
A: Yes.

Q: (A) These lines that are being drawn, are they just one dimensional lines, or are they a plane that crosses the Earth along these lines?
A: Latter.

Q: (L) Are these points of locus denoted by these deposits of clay that adsorb tritium?
A: Ollf the track, and you, my dear, are in the “quiet chair.”

Q: (L) Sorry!
(A) Well, I wanted to make sure because, when we were directed to this place in Russia and the term ‘magnetic meridian’ was brought up, and we asked the question as to where the zero magnetic meridian was located, we were told that it was at about 90 degrees East longitude in the Western Pacific ocean. We checked the map and it is clearly the Indian Ocean and not the Western Pacific. Was this just a mistake?
A: No because all those lovely, shimmering oceans intersect around a lovely island with really inexpensive real estate!

Q: (A) They are joking! They act like they drank too much! I have no idea what that means!

[Laura stops and gets the Atlas and examines the area in question.]

(L) Okay, the only island I can see that those lovely shimmering oceans intersect around, in the terms in which you have expressed it, is Antarctica.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) In that sense...
(A) Okay, this brings us to the question about the Piri Reis map. We wanted to know the origin of this map?
A: Complex, but the origin would date back to 14,000 B.C.

Q: (A) Atlantis?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Was this map drawn when Antarctica was NOT covered by ice?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was Antarctica not covered by ice because the poles were in a different location?
A: No.

Q: (L) Was it not covered by ice because the entire planet was not covered by
ice?
A: No.

Q: (L) Was it not covered by ice because it was in a different location itself?
A: No.

Q: (L) Why was it not covered by ice?
(A) Because the climate was warmer.
A: Technologically achieved.

Q: (L) Why would somebody want to technologically warm Antarctica if the whole rest of the planet was available for use? What is so special about Antarctica?
A: The whole rest of the planet was available for use? Not hardly.

Q: (L) Why was the rest of the planet not available for use?
A: Ice.

Q: (L) So, the rest of the planet WAS covered by ice?
A: No.

Q: (L) There is something I am missing here.
(A) Much of the planet was covered by ice, but not all.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, instead of using the areas that were NOT covered by ice, why, in particular, was Antarctica...
A: What?!?

Q: (L) What I am getting at is: why go to all the trouble to thaw out a whole big island if it might have been easier to have been somewhere else?
A: Well, first of all, we thought this was Ark’s turn. But, since you have asked, is it not obvious by now? Magnetic power grid physics . EM utilization. Crystals, and the like. Seeking paths to the interior? The “Poles” know best!

Q: (A) ) Okay, now we have been brought to electromagnetism, and that was my next question. I got some very old papers by Whittaker...
A: EM generators usually employ a grid. ‘Tis for field creation.

Q: (A) When you say this, you mean A grid, not THE grid?
A: Yes. Looks like a waffle iron.

Q: (A) You mean like a waffle iron that is used in transformers?
A: Okay. Why? To duplicate nature. Earth has a web, and so doeth thee!

Q: (A) Now, Earth’s grid is just an imaginary grid related to field, or just a mathematic grid... no, it must really exist....
A: Yes.

Q: (A) If it really exists, is it a field of grid, or is it a grid made out of some matter, like these waffle irons? Just field, or matter?
A: The iron is attracted, not attractive.

Q: (A) I wanted to know if the grid is a material grid, or if it is just a grid of field and nothing more, or if there is something material in the earth relating to it?
A: Both.

Q: (A) We get a hint, but not an answer. The original question was about the Whittaker papers of 1903, about solutions of wave equations, and this relates to this Bearden who is making a lot of money on anti-gravity books and zero point energy devices. At some point, you told us that there was something in this. Bearden speculates that this Whittaker’s ideas were useful for UFT. I obtained copies and I am studying them, and they are quite interesting.. Is this something that is worthwhile or another red herring?
A: No. They are worth it.

Q: (A) Recently, by a strange chance, I was pointed to a guy in Brazil who wrote some papers with Assis, and Assis was connected to Marinov, so this sort of closes a circle. This Rodriguez writes about superluminal waves. He writes a lot of papers about it... and he even says that he believes that superluminal waves can be used technologically pretty soon. Any comment this particular guy, if he is on the right track?
A: Yes.

Q: (A) What about quaternions? Lord Hamilton invented quaternions, and this Bearden tells us that Maxwell wrote his equation using these quaternions, and his original papers are hidden from us by the government; that Maxwell knew more than we are told. Is this really the case?
A: Yes.

Q: (A) Are these quaternions useful?
A: Partly, but there is a missing link.

Q: (A) Sure. Now, I was thinking today about this Whittaker discovery, and whether I should work on linking it to the pentagons and hexagons. Is it the missing link? Or, did you mean another missing link?
A: Well, linking the geometric factors you speak of is wise, but there are other links missing as well.

Q: (A) Okay... that is all for tonight.
(L) I would like to know if my back pain is linked to some subliminal message?
A: No.

Q: (L) Why is it so bad?
A: Posture.

Q: (L) What about the clay and the montmorillonite, and the connection of the clay TO the montmorillonite, and what you once said about trace minerals unlocking secrets in some way?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Yes what?
(A) How much should we drink?
A: No.

Q: (L) We shouldn’t drink it?
A: Be vague, we vague.

Q: (L) Is this montmorillonite the objective of the clues about tritium? The fact that tritium pointed to this clay, and that this clay is situated in the Rhineland, among other select sites, and alfalfa possibly grows there. Is this where the clue was supposed to lead us?
A: The question is about the mind, spirit and body, and what happens hence.

Q: (L) Well, what I am trying to get to here is: is it useful for us to ingest this montmorillonite? Will it assist in this mind/body/spirit connection?
A: What is more to the point is who was assisted before, how and why.

Q: (L) I don’t get it. Maybe it is because I am so tired, but I am hitting a blank on that.
A: You must be, as the obvious is quite oblivious!

Q: (A) We are not getting anything about this mineral... who was assisted before, how and why...
(F) I can figure that out!
(L) Well, go ahead!
(F) If this clay is in Germany, and if the implication is that the mineral causes some sort of beneficial effect, perhaps, in antiquity, somebody was using it for that reason.
(L) Is Freddie right on this?
A: Yes, he is.

Q: (L) One last question that just occurred to me: why did the Druids cut mistletoe in such a ceremonial way?
A: No, that is too complicated for now. Good night.

Q: (L) Okay, we will ask it next week. Good night.

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December 12, 1998

Q: Hello.
A: Hello.

Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Fiberroh.

Q: And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: For openers, I noticed on our astronomy program that the spelling of Cassiopaea differs when referring to the remains of the supernovae as opposed to the constellation; and, in fact, the spelling of the deep sky object is very much like the spelling you use. I wonder if there is a relation to the fact that you spell it as the deep sky object is spelled?
A: Not really.

Q: Well, while we are on the subject of spelling, you DO use unusual spelling from time to time, though normally you are very good spellers. What rules direct your spelling since it is not always according to modern usage?
A: No rules, just clues, as allways.

Q: Does this refer also to the way you spell ‘germain’? When you say ‘it is
not germain,’ you spell it differently from the way someone would spell it if just saying that something is not relevant.
A: Tis French, as in clue to be.

Q: Now, in reference to your question to me: ‘where is Arcadia,’ that I need to look at this some more, I was reading in Gregory of Tours’ History of the Franks, and he was recounting that the Franks who colonized along the Rhine in the area about which we are seeking clues, came from an area called Pannonia. I looked up Pannonia. It is in Eastern Austria and crosses the border into Hungary. In Pannonia there are vineyards. It is a very famous grape growing and wine making area. A statement from the 4th century says: ‘Pannonia is a land rich in all resources and fruits, beasts and commerce.’ Pannonia is also the location of an interesting lake. The lake is called Neusiedl, or ‘New Town.’ This is the only ‘steppe lake’ in all of Europe. It is only six feet deep at it’s deepest point and is a giant, shallow sweet body of water surrounded on the Eastern bank by marshlands, numerous salty ponds and pools. Apparently, this place produces a very fine environment for grapes and wine, in particular a type of wine called ‘Eiswein.’ This Eiswein is called ‘The treasure of liquid gold.’ It says here: ‘the production of Eiswein remains the winemakers ultimate challenge.’ Only a small amount of this wine is produced. Etomologically speaking, Pannonia is probably named after the God ‘Pan,’ and that derived from Sylvanus, the ‘Shepherd God.’ So, all in one spot, we have shepherds, a wine called liquid gold, a lake called Neusiedl, and an ‘Arcadian environment.’ Can you tell me if there is any particular significance to my discovery of the terms relating to this area from whence came the Franks to the Rhineland? Is this, in fact, Arcadia?
A: Arcadia is a crossroads for the one Essene, the Aryan one of Trent.

Q: Can you clarify that for me?
A: We can, but shall not.

Q: Is the fact that we have had some eggnog this evening going to be detrimental?
A: No.

Q: Can you comment on Pannonia in general? Is it in any way significant? This lake Neusiedl?
A: Eiswein: Eisenstadt.

Q: Any further comment?
A: No.

Q: Now, I was preparing these genealogies to print for Christmas and, while waiting for them to print, I wondered who would be last if one started at the present and worked backward... not specifically in terms of time, but in terms of generations. I wondered WHO the tree would end with. Well, it ended with the Frankish King Clovis. So, I wondered about your use of the term ‘cloverdale,’ and how it might relate to Clovis. Is it a deliberate or accidental connection?
A: Your quest is your own. We do not “steer.” We supply the mortar, you are the Masons.

Q: Well, I don’t know how to take that! I mean, the Masons could be the most evil organization in existence! BRH thinks so.

A: Such judgements miss the point, if there are keys stored within the envelope.

Q: Well, on that subject, BRH really hates being in the body. He thinks that he is here by mistake...
A: Nonsense. He is depressed, but it is the way for those who are to take another step.

Q: So, he is in process of taking another step. Well, his question was, and he was frustrated by this, and it is a good point, I think, that if we have so many incarnations, and all there is is lessons, why can’t we remember them. Why do we seemingly have to start over and over again. What is the cause of the forgetting? By this conscious forgetting, do we lose our ability to navigate from one life to the next? Why can’t we remember previous lives?
A: You do, at the subconscious level. And it is at that level where the balancing to be derived from the lessons is most needed!

Q: Is there any other reason for the forgetting?
A: DNA strand structured.

Q: Alright, I found this article on the net called ‘Hidden History of Jesus and the Holy Grail’ written by Sir Laurence Gardiner, KT etc., author of ‘Bloodline of the Holy Grail,’ transcribed from a lecture given at ‘The Ranch’ in Yelm, Washington. What he says is that he had been appointed historian and ‘sovereign genealogist’ to 33 royal families... he was putting together written chronological accounts of things these families knew the substance of, but not the details. He talks about the fact that Jesus was married and that he had heirs and that this was discussed in the published papers of Mary, Queen of Scots, and in the papers of James II of England. He says: ‘I began this work with separate commissions from separate families, doing work on these genealogies. What happened was they began to converge. It became very apparent, and it took a long time, because genealogies have to be done backwards, put together backwards, and constructed backwards; but what was happening was that a triangle from a large top base with numerous family lines, was pulling to a point. I suddenly realized what this point was and I said ‘wow! do you realize what I have found here?’ and they said ‘oh, you know, the father of so and so,’ and I said ‘oh, no, no, what I am finding is that this comes out of the house of Judah in the first century.’ And they said: ‘yeah, we know all that, what we wanted you to do was blah blah blah.’ So, he says that he had access to Celtic Church records dating back to 37 A.D., the very documents that the Knights Templar brought out of Europe in 1128 and confronted the Church establishment with, and frightened the life out of them because these were documents that talked about bloodlines and genealogies. Blah blah blah. Before I go on, this guy says that all these family lines go back to the house of Judah. Do they actually have written genealogies back to the house of Judah connecting the royal families of Europe to this house?
A: Somewhere, maybe.

Q: Did Jesus descend from the house of Judah?
A: Is it important really?

Q: I don’t know. I am building a basis for further questions.
A: You need not build bases.

Q: In other words, this guy is just blowing more smoke over the issue? I think he is blowing smoke.
A: Okay.

Q: You are agreeing with me that he is blowing a lot of smoke?
A: Perhaps.

Q: It seems to me that if what he was saying was true, that he certainly would not be allowed to say it. It’s based on and converges with all the stories they are telling about Rennes-le-Chateau and seems to be more smokescreen. Anyway, Mike has questions.
(M) You said that this place over Rennes-le-Chateau was a window. What is a window?
(L) Now, I realize that we have all assumed that we know what a window is, but we have never really asked for a definition. Could you define for us a ‘window?
A: Convergence; opening to alternative states via energy grid points.

Q: Are windows where you can pass back and forth? Moving between realms?
A: It is possible.

Q: How does a window differ from a ‘portal?’
A: Window is open, portal is crafted.

Q: A window is naturally occurring portal?
A: Close.

Q: Does a window remain open all the time, or does it open and close for various reasons.
A: Closer to latter.

Q: What determines its opening and closing?
A: Frequency.

Q: Frequency of what?
A: Energy patterns.

Q: Frequency patterns of the area itself, or of people, or of people in interaction with the area?
A: Former.

Q: What could occur to change the frequency of the area?
A: EM pulse.

Q: Where do these EM pulses originate from?
A: They are transmutable.

Q: Transmutable from what?
A: Not online.

Q: What?
A: Your assumptions get you lost.

Q: What does it mean when you say ‘EM pulses are transmutable?’
A: We will not answer these rapid fire inquiries as they abridge learning.

Q: I suggested that one of the things you may have meant by suggesting, last week, an investigation of pyrotechnics, might be as simple as finding where, on the planet, are the highest number of lightning strikes, and that these might indicate foci of grid points. Would this be, in fact, a good line to follow?
A: One of them.

Q: Could you offer more clues about this ‘pyrotechnic’ suggestion, because we were pretty much drawing a blank during the week on it. It was not a useful path so far.
A: But it will be. Rome was not built in a day, and neither is your higher knowledge.

Q: Last week when I asked about the stations of the cross in the church of Rennes-le-Chateau, whether they were important or would give clues, you said ‘some, but they are gilded.’ Mike suggested that this term could mean 1. To overlay with gold; 2. To give an attractive, but deceptive appearance; and 3. Guild, as in organization. He asks: I wonder which definition they meant?
A: 2.

Q: Okay, he asks again about the beehive huts. You said they were not ‘germain’ and we have already discussed that issue. He writes: were these huts really used for honey production, that doesn’t seem logical. Were they built in the 19th century by the agrarians you mentioned, or just used by them? Because some of them are completely filled with rocks.
A: Crystals figure in here.

Q: Why do crystals figure in here?
A: Look to see.

Q: He asks if there is a technology buried in the area to facilitate the workings of the window?
A: No need for that.

Q: He asks: Could WE use it?
A: You could be zapped by it.

Q: He wanted to know why the EM grid was important...
A: See 1954 UFO mapping study: France.

[BRH calls and joins session via telephone.]

Q: (BRH) I was very inspired by the particular Cassiopaean who spoke to me a couple of years ago. Would it be possible to communicate further with that particular individual... is that possible?
A: Of course, as we are all one and the same, and yet we are all individuals.

Q: (BRH) I knew it! Hello old friend!
(L) Well, I didn’t think you could do that!
A: Hello Dev! Ha ha, we fooled ya!

Q: (BRH) What you told me before that produced such a profound change in my life, was ‘we see the little one who frequents your shoulder is the binder that will ultimately solidify all of the unanswered questions.’ That strikes me as immensely profound and I don’t know where or how to find a lead on this.
A: Soul connects.

Q: (BRH) What are these soul connections?
A: We hesitate to use the term “soul mates,” as your culture has convoluted the meaning to connotate something of a romantic nature. However, it is still succinct, as in this case, the student learns prime meaning of love from the teacher.

Q: (BRH) Who is the student and who is the teacher?
A: Who think ye?

Q: (BRH) You have mentioned soul connections and past lives, and I have no idea in my wildest imagination how to pursue uncovering this information, and I hope you don’t suggest hypnosis...
A: There is no need for such a pursuit, as the answers will reveal themselves when needed.

Q: (BRH) Thank you very much old Friend, but I don’t want to take up any more time on personal questions...
A: Take up our time? Not to worry, the time clock is borken, and we have been unable to bring ourselves to contact the repair person, or in our case, the repair 6th density being of light!

Q: (BRH) Is there anything you want to say to BRH at this point that he hasn’t thought of, but ought to ask?
A: Palomar? What gives?

Q: (BRH) I can’t believe it! I was just going over that and thinking to myself that it was too late... they gave that suggestion several years ago, and I was thinking that the window of opportunity had passed... is it too late to stake out Palomar?
A: Never too late, but we suggested this before.

Q: (L) Is staking out the only way? Can he follow other research clues?
A: There is a flat rock up there, near the road, off the guard rail. We know it as just below the observatory about 1.3 kilometers. Is inconvenient for driving and especially parking, but if there is a will, there is a way. Look for the juniper as a sight line guide post. [From this point on, for some reason, the tape did NOT record, so questions are reconstructed.]
 

Q: (BRH) What about this thing I had surgically removed from my back that went ‘plink’ when it dropped into the tray?
A: Silicon based.

Q: (BRH) Well, the knot reappeared almost immediately.
A: Replaced.

Q: (BRH) Replaced by whom?
A: Those who use to transceive.

Q: (BRH) You are suggesting that this is an implant?
A: Yes. Those can happen in work setting, too. Could have been planted by a “coworker.”

Q: (BRH) I am wondering about my present job...
A: The environment in general is negative.

Q: (BRH) I have been thinking about arranging to work fewer hours so that I can have time to write a book...
A: Use your heart chakra to answer this. Sorry, but now we must go. Goodbye.

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