Q. Please begin by explaining what the fifth stage of Theocracy is,
and how it differs from the other stages.
A. The fifth stage of Theocracy employs electronic mind control
instead of religious mind control, and it can enslave people who
subscribe to belief systems other than those of organized religion.
The fifth-stage Theocrats have much stronger psychic powers than
ordinary Theocrats, because they have access to psychic machines of
the same type we use, and they are also able to control elementals
to some extent.
This allows them to control people sufficiently
advanced in personal psychic development to resist ordinary
religious mind control, and to deceive people capable of recognizing
organized religion is a tool to enslave and
exploit human beings.
Q. This seems to be another connection to the Shaver Mystery. When
Shaver mentions the “Ray Mech of the Deros” he is referring to the
psychic machines left in Earth’s astral plane long ago by the
Elohim. I find it extremely frightening that Theocratic spirits have
access to this technology. Just how big a threat is this to your
plans to liberate Earth from Theocracy?
A. On the purely technical level, it’s not a serious threat. The
Elohim races who originally perfected the astral-matter technology
are allies of ours and enemies of Theocracy. Their agents, and our
agents who have received training directly from them, have much more
complete knowledge of how to modify and use this equipment than any
of the Theocratic spirits have.
Q. When you say “agents,” do you mean living people or disembodied
A. The rumors that certain living people have advanced knowledge of
psychic technology are untrue. Only disembodied spirits who have
never incarnated on Earth can have this knowledge – it’s far too
complex a set of astral memories to survive the incarnation process.
Living Earth people do make use of this technology, but they are
analogous to the users of a computer system, not to the technicians
and system operators who actually run it.
And the use of this
equipment by the Theocrats and the living people who work for them
is directly analogous to what computer hackers do on Earth: they
have direct control of only a limited amount of soft-ware, but they
use it to make unauthorized use of the whole system.
Q. Since I made the breakthrough, I’ve noticed that much of the
operational magic resembles manuals for using computer
systems. For example, those lists of “secret names” and “words of
power” seem directly analogous to passwords for accessing computer
files and commands for instructing the system to perform specific
I also see a resemblance between “magical languages” like Enochian and computer languages. The same holds true of
numerological and literological systems.
And many magical spells and
incantations have a structural similarity to computer programs.
A. That’s exactly what they are. All those books that tell people
how to work magic by controlling demons or other spiritual entities
are quite literally manuals for using psychic technology. Our code
name for the network of psychic machines left here by the Elohim has
always been the “black network,” which is the origin of the term
It has nothing to with morality, but is strictly a
Q. I think this is an unfortunate choice of terminology, as is your
identification throughout history of the forces fighting Theocracy
with the devils of the various organized religions. Why do you do
A. We already explained why we identify ourselves with the spiritual
adversaries of the gods of Theocratic religion: that’s simply a
matter of operational reality. We oppose the gods, therefore we are
devils. No matter what terminology we use.
The Theocrats would say
that we are morally evil and encourage people to sin, so we might as
well follow our own custom. Of course, people should compare what we
do with what the Theocrats do, and decide for themselves who is good
and who is evil.
The use of the term “black magic” for psychic workings performed
with the aid of psychic technology has a similar grounding in
operational reality. The energies radiated by astral-matter machines
appear to be black in color when perceived with the psychic senses,
whereas the energies radiated by human astral souls – including
those of Theocrats – appear to be white or bright-colored. This has
a physical cause related to the frequency of the radiant astral
energies themselves: the former appear absorptive and the latter
All use of psychic technology radiates “black” energy and all use of
people’s own psychic powers radiates white energy, and this has
absolutely no relationship to whether these energies are being used
for good or evil purposes.
Theocratic propaganda long ago taught
people to identify the concept of “black magic” with evil, because
the Invisible College has always made more extensive use of it than
Q. This is the first definition of “black” and “white” magic I’ve
ever seen that makes sense. Please tell me more about fifth-stage
A. Fifth-stage Theocrats
work through organized religion, but they
are not tied to it as strongly as are Theocrats using more primitive
methods. They are capable of turning almost any group of people into
a Theocratic cult and any ideology into a Theocratic doctrine.
spectacular corruption and exploitation of the People’s Temple cult
is an example of what they can do to a religious group; but the Symbionese Liberation Army affair – the kidnapping and conversion of
Patty Hearst – is proof that they can work through a purely
political group as well. Right now, they are trying to turn many
rock groups and their inner circles of fans into Theocratic cults,
and they have also corrupted a number of occult and New Age groups.
This ties in with what we said earlier about “living Theocrats.”
The best example of how fifth-stage Theocracy operates and how we
are fighting it involves subliminal warfare through the electronic
media. This began in the Sixties, when many idealistic people in the
counterculture tried to form new religious systems to replace
Judeo-Christianity. On the overt level, their attempts produced the
New Age movement and the present revival of traditional occultism,
but the process has had an even more important effect on Western
society on a subliminal level.
A high percentage of the imaginative
novels, movies, and television programs produced in the last twenty
years contain hidden messages about the war between the Theocrats
and the Invisible College; and popular music today is an even more
effective tool for mind control than it was in the Sixties.
as we started this subliminal warfare, the fifth-stage Theocrats
began using it too, and both sides have been fighting desperately
for control in this area all during the last twenty years.
Q. I very quickly noticed the magnitude of this warfare when I
started doing research for a book on the role of popular music in
the War in Heaven. Many of today’s rock songs tell the same story,
over and over again. It’s like reading passages from the diary of
someone gradually going mad in an old horror novel. Every new rock
group starts out with a few normal protest or love songs.
get swallowed by a group mind controlled by fifth-stage Theocrats,
and from that point on all their songs sound as if they were written
by the same person. However, this Theocratic subversion is often not
complete, and periodically one of the groups still writes a song
about the fight to liberate the human race from mind control.
A. A number of musicians who are also highly skilled magicians have
set out to train and control some spiritual beings that they believe
are young gods that can eventually oust all Theocrats and Invisible
College spirits from the astral plane, leaving them in control of
this brain-washed spirit and thereby the rest of the world.
Furthermore, they all believe that they will somehow merge with this
creature and become gods themselves.
Q. This sounds identical to what you said in the last chapter about
the Elohim and the birth of new gods, yet you seem to be taking a
negative attitude towards it here.
A. The actual situation is extremely complicated. Some of the people
in this movement are working with Elohim, and their efforts will
allow the elementals they are training to become gods. Such people
are themselves Elohim-in-training. However, the majority of people
who are involved with this are actually working with Theocratic
spirits who lack both the morality and the technical knowledge to
raise their elementals as true gods. These elementals will cause a
great deal of harm during the Last Days, and they will almost
certainly devour all the spirits and living people linked to them.
These “false gods” are controlled through astral-matter machines
belonging to Theocratic spirits. Some of these machines can generate
immense quantities of psychic powers and allow magicians to do
spectacular acts of magic, which convince them that they are truly
on the way to becoming gods; but this is just another deception.
They are merely on the way to becoming Theocrats by imitating their
methods and morals. The Theocrats treat the embryonic gods as
domestic animals and use them for their own selfish purposes just as
they use other human spirits, living people, and psychic machines.
The Theocrats are able to deceive many people who study the higher
levels of Western occultism, because many famous magicians of the
past are now Theocrats. The best example of this deception is in the
medieval alchemical mythology about the
Homunculus, which was later
picked up by the
Golden Dawn and Crowleyites as the
theory. One element in this theory is the idea that properly trained
human magicians can control gods or other spiritual beings much more
powerful than they are if they know the proper spells and secret
Anyone who applies this concept and tries to gain control over
theocratic spirits, elementals, or units of the astral
psycho-technology, is entering on very dangerous ground. The
Theocrats are quite willing to let magicians think they are
controlling them, and will assist them in working all manner of
magic using their various passwords.
However, the more the magicians
use this system, the more mental reprogramming signals the Theocrats
send back along the linkages being used. This reprogramming affects
both the astral mind and the physical mind, and there is a grim
irony in the phrase “You yourself are the instrument.”
collaborates with Theocratic spirits to do magical workings is
putting his or her own astral and physical mind directly into the
Q. The medieval literature on alchemy and ceremonial magic is full
of protective spells and charms that magicians are supposed to use
to protect themselves from being affected or taken over by the gods,
demons, or other spiritual beings they are supposedly enslaving to
work for them. Are you saying that none of these protections work?
A. No, not if the magician is in contact with Theocratic spirits.
And the closely related concept that magicians cannot be affected by
the entities they contact to work black magic if they are “pure in
heart” is equally false.
The Theocrats don’t care if people are
virtuous or not: their mind-control linkages will corrupt magicians
slowly but surely.
There are many living magicians walking around
right now who think exactly like Theocratic spirits. They think they
are gods, they think they are immortal, they think they have the
right to control other people and disembodied spiritual beings to do
their bidding, and they drain psychic energy freely from others like
Another mythological element the Theocrats use to deceive
traditional Western magicians is the concept that the Atman or
higher self of a human being is itself a god, and that if an
organized group of magicians merges their higher selves, they can
collectively create and control a new god capable of becoming a
major force in the world of the living and of taking on an equal
status with existing gods.
This whole mythos is based on the desire
for power over other intelligent beings, which, of course, is one of
the principal causes of Theocracy.
From our point of view, the entire mythology is completely false. It
is based on a number of false assumptions about spiritual reality
that you have already thoroughly debunked in this book. The key
fallacy that underlies everything else concerns the so-called
It exists, of course, but it’s no more godlike than
the lower self.
The higher self is nothing more than
the astral soul
with its astral mind and psychic powers. Becoming a magician is
nothing more than putting the physical mind in conscious contact
with the astral mind and using the psychic powers in the astral
The medieval alchemists and cabalists developed excellent
practical techniques for doing this, but their theoretical
explanations of how it worked were completely wrong.
Q. How does the information you just gave relate to my experiences
with modern rock music? For example, I sometimes seem to hear
messages with my name in them. Is this how people get entrapped into
Theocratic electronic mind-control networks? And what exactly are
the messages – actual subliminals in the music itself, or telepathic
messages that use the music as a focusing-device for my own psychic
A. This form of electronic mind control is extremely powerful, and
much more is expressed in electronic signals than an analysis of the
surface message indicates. Modern rock music is not just a melody
and a lyric with a few specific subliminals added in such a way that
they can be easily extracted.
If it were, then computer scientists
on Earth could put songs in digital form, separate out the subliminals that had particular effects on people’s minds, and
actually write a sort of computer language out of them that could be
used for simple kinds of mind control. For this reason, both the
Invisible College and the Theocrats deliberately keep the
subliminals far too complex to be analyzed and cracked with present
Earth computer technology.
Don’t assume that the voices you hear on records speaking your name,
or various other word patterns that you think are personal and
unique to you, are proof that some living person or some disembodied
spirit has the same verbal knowledge that you yourself possess. This
simply isn’t true. The mental programs that human beings use to deal
with language involve a lot of what you would call “computer
enhancement of images” and also “high-level computer languages.”
actual subliminal sounds mixed into recorded music and broadcast on
radio and television are more like a computer machine language than
either an ordinary spoken Earth language or a high level computer
language that resembles such a spoken language. They are not words
or even phonemes in English, but patterns of sound that produce
certain reactions within the speech-interpretation programs in the
For example, when you think you hear your name being called, the
signal is probably not your name as an Earth person at all, nor your
name where you came from, but a descriptive term in machine language
that refers to a specific type of person. It’s comparable to sending
a narrow-band radio signal on a certain frequency: if anyone has a
set tuned to exactly that frequency, he’ll hear a signal.
Some of the Theocrats and many spirits in the Invisible College know
what kind of people are here doing various jobs. If they want to
communicate with such people, they send a group of machine-language
symbols that a mind of one exact type will receive, and no other. If
you are that type, you will hear your name being called, or will
otherwise be aware that someone has a message for you.
don’t seem to be aware of is that only you or someone exactly like
you can hear the signal if it is specific enough. Some of these call
codes are more specific than others. Some can be heard by conscious
extraterrestrial agents; others by all extraterrestrials, period;
and some by everyone with a certain degree of psychic development.
Many of these subliminal messages have the same effect on the human
mind, which on one level is computer software, as programming
commands sent into a computer. In other words, receipt of a group of
machine-language symbols by your mind causes a particular program to
start running, if you are in the correct state of consciousness and
if your mind possesses the program in the first place. This is why
the voices you hear in the music seem to be trying to recruit you to
their side or to scare you off from interfering with their
activities. Do not jump to the conclusion that the senders have
conscious knowledge of who you are or what you are doing on the
level of Earth-plane activity.
They know that many different people are doing research into
electronic mind control, and that among them are undoubtedly some
conscious extraterrestrial agents with the correct mental programs
to understand messages of the type you are now receiving from us.
They also know how to send messages directly to you through music
subliminals, because they know some of the mental programming, you
have to do your job.
They are “on your wavelength” or “they
know your language.”
So, no matter who they are or which side they
are on, they try to get you to join them or to keep you from
interfering with them.
Another thing you have to realize is that these messages that you
can now receive because you have the right programs loaded into your
mind are not new. Many different groups of spirits and living
magicians have been sending such messages for years. That hasn’t
changed; it is you who have changed.
You can now hear and see the
messages, whereas a few months or years ago you couldn’t. What you
are receiving is quite real, but it isn’t quite what you think it is
either. You think that the messages are much more specific than they
are. You think that they are aimed at you as a unique individual.
They aren’t; they are aimed at a type of person doing a certain type
of job and possessing certain kinds of mental software.
Q. You still haven’t told how to distinguish subliminal sounds put
into the music itself on the physical level from telepathic messages
sent to people when they listen to the music.
A. A few modern records contain subliminal messages in ordinary
English, but these aren’t really important. They are usually quite
crude and easy to spot, and are little different from the ones you
are familiar with from the Sixties, like the “Turn me on, dead man”
back mask on that old Beatles record. The back masked sounds on many
rock records have a much simpler explanation than you presently
think. First of all, the vast majority of them are not put there for
any deliberate effect, but just to make the sound richer and more
Modern recording engineers have a whole library of natural and
artificial sounds available to them when they work, and they have it
all labeled by various nomenclature systems of their own. If they
want a particular effect on a particular record, they usually know
approximately what kind of item in their library is appropriate.
Then they listen to samples and pick one that seems right and insert
it into the mix. But they almost never know what that sound was
originally, nor do they care. The recording they hear is already
backwards or otherwise mechanically distorted. It is not meaningful
to them except for whether or not it fits the sound criteria they
need for the job at hand.
Now, when you use your own sound-mixing equipment to distort this
sound until it becomes meaningful and you can recognize its origin,
you are usually doing something that the people who mixed the record
did not even do themselves. The information you obtain by doing this
is not a secret message sent by them.
The whole process is as
fruitless as taking a book that is being used to prop a window open,
and reading the contents to try to find out why the window was
opened or who opened it.
The important subliminals in modern rock music are nothing as easily
identifiable as English words. Some of them are machine-language
symbols that evoke particular words or phrases; when you receive
these, you may think you are hearing words in sound, but an
oscilloscope would not register the sane pattern as it would from
the same words actually spoken.
In other words, you could “hear” the
same group of words from two completely dissimilar
oscilloscope-patterns of sound. Some of these machine-language
groups are so basic and so powerful that a person who spoke a
language like Chinese would still hear words with about the same
However, most of them would not even get through to another
speaker of English unless the person also had the correct mental
Q. Another thing I’m wondering about is “Raudive voices,” named for
a psychic researcher who postulated that disembodied spirits could
impress their voices onto magnetic recording tape. I have received a
large number of messages of this type during my music research. Are
they really put there by spirits who psychokinetically manipulate
the molecules in the tape, or is there another explanation?
A. The messages are not on the tapes, but in your mind. What
actually happens is that spirits perceive the pattern of static
going onto the tape and key it to a telepathic message they’re
sending into your subconscious. You can consciously retrieve the
message when you listen to the tape. The proof is that sometimes
more than one person will hear the same message on a particular
tape, sometimes not. Also, if you listen to such a tape frequently,
you can learn to retrieve the message without it.
Both the IC and
the Theocrats use this method of communication frequently, on music
tapes as well as tapes containing only static.
Q. The scope and effectiveness of the electronic mind-control
techniques you have just described give the fifth-stage Theocrats
much more power to control people than the religious Theocrats have
ever had. However, Western civilization still seems to be evolving
towards the goals set by the Invisible College long ago:
in individual sovereignty in all aspects of human life
of bigotry and closed-mindedness
a higher level of general
knowledge and sophistication in both technological and social areas
I assume that this is why you remain optimistic about the future,
but nevertheless, many of the people who commented on Spiritual
Revolution expressed serious doubts about the future of the human
race on Earth.
They believe that nuclear war, biological warfare, or
destruction of the Earth’s biosphere through pollution will prevent
an advanced civilization from developing on this planet, no matter
what the Invisible College is able to do.
A. We are still optimistic, but these fears are quite rational and
deserve to be discussed in more detail.
Our wars with the Theocrats
over the centuries have always involved battles over the evolution
of physical technology, as well as the programming of individual
mental software and the design of social institutions. During the
last few decades, this technology war has become one of the most
important aspects of the whole struggle.
We’ve already described two major aspects of this technological
warfare in some detail: mind-altering drugs and the electronic
The next chapter will discuss other aspects that are just as
important, but are not as easy to identify because they don’t
involve direct mind control. They are factors that operate behind
the scenes, but they are going to play a principal part in
determining the ultimate destiny of civilization on this planet.
the Invisible College retains control of these factors, Earth will
eventually take its place among the advanced human civilizations.
the Theocrats get control of them, then the physical planet Earth is
doomed, and those of its inhabitants who survive will do so only as
refugees on other worlds.