August 24, 2002
Ark, Laura, SF, LM, SB
Q: (L) Hello
Q: (L) Who do we have with us this evening?
Q: (L) And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopaea! Grooving. Soon we present guests?
Q: (L) We have L**, S**, and you know S**.
Q: (L) Well, I know we're grooving or whatever. Are we grooving
because there are other energies present?
A: Yes. Colinear frequencies are easier to work with.
Q: (L) Okay, I have a question before we launch off on the main
subject of interest to all. We have been considering putting our
collected material on the attack on the WTC and the conspiracy
of the government together into a book or a small booklet form
or something rather than putting it on the web site and
subjecting ourselves to hackers and all that kind of stuff. The
question is how to do this without stepping on toes here? (A) By
doing this, shall we remarkably cross the line?
A: Lines can be crossed if done carefully.
Q: (A) What would be crossing carefully involve in this case?
A: Give attention to phrasing in an ambiguous way.
Q: (L) What constitutes ambiguity in this case?
A: Indirect references.
Q: (L) Well, in the sessions where we discussed this attack your
answers were not ambiguous.
A: Yes, but we aren't 3rd density either. We can take the heat.
You might get burned. Let us do that part, you just ask "can it
Q: (L) So in other words we can publish such a little book, but
we don't have to declare that it's true. (A) We don't know, we
are asking questions, right? (SB ) Yeah that's about as
ambiguous as you can possibly go. (A) Uh huh, which is true, we
don't know. Alright, so in the sense this is an invitation to
both kinds of answers, no it isn't true, yes it is true, right?
Okay. Then we are open to reason right? Okay.
A: It would also be a good idea to present both sides of the
story. Along with a little "history" of the claimants and
participants so the reader may have a foundation on which to
judge who is or is not likely to be truthful.
Q: (L) Well, let me think. So if I include a little bit of
history about a few related things and then point out:here's
what's happening now and this is what's going on, that will do
it. (A) Okay, any particular subject that needs to be avoided?
A: Do not yourselves enter upon the "Jewish question." Let our
Q: (L) Okay, now, $64,000 question: what caused the fire and
explosion at the Pentagon? Was it a 757?
A: No it was very close to what you have surmised: a drone craft
specially modified to give certain "impressions" to witnesses.
Even the windows were not "real."
Q: (S) What is a drone craft? (A) It's a guided craft run by a
computer. There is not even a seat for a pilot. (L) Alright, the
$64,001 question, what happened to Flight 77?
A: It was landed and now resides, in part, in fourth density.
Q: (L) What do mean "in part," how can it be in part?
A: As we have mentioned before, certain bases have this property
due to direct interaction with denizens of that realm.
Q: (L) And they talked about bases that have levels underground.
(A) Well, 'in part' can mean mechanical part or the human part.
(L) Also, once they talked about bi-density beings that can move
back and forth between 3rd and 4th density. So, exactly what do
you mean by this 'in part?'
A: Let us just say that the "human" part now resides at 5th
Q: (L) Well, the soul is what goes to 5th density. So that means
that the bodies are still - well, somewhere. Did they later use
parts of these bodies to produce evidence at the crash site of
A: Parts is the correct word. Do you think that any of them
could be "allowed" to survive?
Q: (A) I have a technical question because if it landed
somewhere, question is, whether the standard military surveying
satellites, or whatever it is, know the place, or it disappeared
completely before landing from normal satellite, or rather
A: It landed in the normal way.
Q: (A) Okay, then that means the military, and perhaps also the
White House, knows that it landed and knows that...
A: White House knows little of what transpires in any case.
Q: (A) Right. But there are other spy satellites; some other
countries may know that this story with flight 77 crashing at
the Pentagon is...
A: At those levels, there is only one "Master."
Q: (L) Those levels? What levels?
A: Levels that can hand down orders to bury or suppress.
Q: (L) So you're saying that even, for example French, Russian,
Chinese satellites that might have noticed something, that there
is some level of control that can order such information to be
buried or suppressed...(A) And the order will be respected? Why?
A: Those who are at that level have been bought and paid for by
both giving knowledge of upcoming cataclysmic vents, and
promised survival and positions of power after. It is not
difficult to realize the there is a body of such types in
positions of power already. Power is not only attractive to such
types, they are the kind most easily corrupted by it.
Q: (SB) So they've been bought and paid for by...(L) Telling
them what's going to happen, telling them this is the only way
to survive and that they will be helped to survive. And then,
telling them that once it's all over with, they can be in
charge. Well, if they were going to kill the people anyway, who
were in Flight 77, why didn't they just simply use this Flight
77 to crash into the Pentagon?
A: Because the damage would not have been controllable
Q: (A) Yes, this is rather clear. If you let real hijackers and
real pilots in there, who may start to fight just before the
crash or something, God knows where it might hit. (L) So it was
real important for this one to be carefully controlled. It had
to hit a very specific target for a very specific reason. (A)
Yeah. All this jet fuel will start burning, uncontrolled
fire...(L) Can't have that. (S) Well also there might have been
a specific area of the Pentagon that was more expendable; that
they were focusing in on one specific spot in that building. (L)
Well that has something to do with what Lu found out because she
discovered that most of the people in the Pentagon who were
killed were low-level female workers. All bigwigs were somewhere
else in the building. (A) Well, what will be the consequences
for publishing this book? If we are supposed to add this stuff,
what's the point of publishing it?
A: You asked.
Q: (A) I asked what? (L) We're the one who asked about
publishing it, they're not the ones who suggested it. (A) Oh. Is
it a worthwhile investment of time publishing such a book?
A: Who is going to put the pieces together reasonably and
coherently if you don't? Everyone is seeking truth. What's wrong
with putting it out there?
Q: (L) Well sometimes putting the truth out there gets you in
A: And some times not putting it out there gives some others
hopes of stopping you from doing so. Once it is out, you are
safer since at that point any "attacks" only justify and
Q: (SB) Was there any danger in the submarine promotional visit?
A: There is a strong liklihood that there could have been if you
Q: (LA) I was thinking about the Space Camp thing I attended
with my son. Did anything happen to the kids there?
A: Such programs are precursors to deeper black projects. Avoid
at all costs. Also there are many other such portals in your
Q: (S) Oh my god! My son J** went to space camp. (SB to LA) I
went to a camp too. Did you go to a camp? (LA) NASA puts on a
Space Camp for the kids. I went as a chaperone. (SB) The one I
went to was sponsored by the state of Georgia but it was called
Exploration Camp and the second year I don't remember anything.
A: Read Dolan and use your imagination to perceive just how such
programs can be utilized. Just knowing the capabilities that you
suspect with good reason regarding Flight 77, should give you
some concept of how the Consortium operates. Imagine a "group"
going to Space Camp on board that plane. Handy, eh?
Q: (L) So that's how they select out, maybe program, get them
set up, have all kinds of groups ready and set up to be prepared
to utilize at any point and time. Next question, or are we all
getting depressed? (LA) You can tell huh? (SB) That's an
understatement. (L) Well what seems to be so is that right here
and now the planet is really kind of in deep doo-doo. We have a
drunk at the wheel of the planet and nobody seems to be big
enough or brave enough to really tell him he's drunk and take
the keys away from him. On top of that, we have a lot of people,
of course, who choose to think that drunks drive better when
they're drunk. I mean there are people who subscribe to that
idea and there are others who really want to get out. I know the
C's have always said sit back and enjoy the show. I guess it's
going to be pretty dramatic. Is there a positive aspect to any
A: We have mentioned transducing of energies by groups. We have
mentioned "help" to certain groups. You speak regularly about
"butterflies and hurricanes." If you are patient and persistent,
it will pay off in a way you cannot even conceive of at this
Q: (A) It is clear, the positive aspect is if we can do
something...(L) We just keep patiently doing what we see in
front of us to do. We are just a butterfly. (A) We cannot even
predict and imagine how it can change. (S) Is there anyone
globally, in mainstream media, reporting the news who
understands at any level close to what we are beginning to see
what is happening?
A: No. Unfortunately. We suggest you need to become a "host" of
your own show!
Q: (S) Wouldn't that be a humdinger? (L) We don't have the
audience and it isn't very likely we could get away with it.
We've got the website, that's our voice, and that's it. It's the
liars who get the major audience. That's because the money is
behind them. They not only don't get attacked, they get
promoted. Alright then, everybody's depressed now, so I guess we
better say goodnight. Anything before we say goodnight?
A: Just remember the little engine that could. Goodbye.
End of Session
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September 14, 2002
Ark, Laura, BT, TC, CC, AM, JM, VG
Q: (L) Hello
Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?
Q: (L) And where do you transmit through?
Q: (L) Alright, we have our first question that I want to get
out of the way before we go into any other things and it's a
question for a member of our group D** whose son committed
suicide last year (2001) just a few days before the 9-11 thing
when everything and everybody was "going off" all over the
A: He was subjected to mind programming due to his fathers work
Q: (L) Was his father aware of this?
A: He was also subject.
Q: (L) In what way was he a subject?
A: He was utilized mainly to deal with the son so as to make him
Q: (L) Anything else about this?
A: He must not feel responsible. Many such cases exist outside
of the military. His son was selected due to bloodline. The
reason for failure was due to strength of resistance.
Q: (L) So, in other words, they couldn't control the son, is
that what you're saying?
A: More or less.
Q: (L) So he wasn't stimulated to commit suicide to hurt D?
Q: (L) Was he programmed to do something that was in conflict
with something inside him?
A: Mainly. His FRV was not conducive to such controls.
Q: (J) Was his act of suicide kind of like a final form of
defense against the mind control, like he knew it on a
subconscious level; or was it that they had him commit suicide
because they realized they had failed and they just said "kill
yourself;" or did he do it as a way of resistance?
A: It was more resistance.
Q: (L) Okay. I think that answers the question. Now I want to
ask about this crop circle supposedly that was created here on
or around Aug. 15, 2002 and I guess the first thing I'd like to
ask is "whodunnit"?
A: It was produced via 4th density technology.
Q: (V) STS or STO 4th density technology?
Q: (L) Okay. You said via 4th density technology. However you
did not say via 4th density beings...
A: Correct. There has been much advancement in 3D realm tech due
to 4D interaction.
Q: (V) Between whom and 3rd density?
Q: (L) Well, I noticed that last year, on or about the same
date, the crop circle appeared with the woman's face - the
Chilbolton Crop glyph - and the so called signal thing. Was that
also the production of 4th density?
Q: (L) I noticed also that Aug. 15 is, in fact, an ancient feast
day of the Mother Goddess and therefore the appearance of the
face last year was somewhat appropriate. In fact, I had a dream
to go with that one. This new one, produced on almost - if not
exactly - the same date, seems almost like it is a response to
the face image last year. The message deciphered from this new
crop circle is - and Ark has checked it and confirmed the
deciphering - "Beware the bearers of false gifts and their
broken promises. Much pain but still time - and then an unknown
word - there is good out there. We OPpose deception. Conduit
closing. (bell sound)." What is the meaning of this message?
A: The first thing that was intended was to demonize the crop
circle phenomenon. The second thing was to give those who are
susceptible the impression that their favorite gray aliens might
be "good guys." The third thing intended was to send a message
of doubt directly to this room.
Q: (J) 'The conduit is closing.' Since the C's have talked about
creating a conduit from the beginning, they are trying to
convince us that the conduit is closing. What was the garbled
word, was it "believe"?
A: It was believe. However the glitch was due to the application
of the technology. This provides the clue to the STS source.
Q: (J) Okay so their amateur fumbling caused the glitch. (A) The
human element is probably the glitch in the software. There was
A: Wishful thinking will get ya every time.
Q: (L) So they were wishfully thinking that they had everything
perfect and they didn't. (A) Still I want to know if physical
characteristics of this circle were matched with the physical
characteristics of what would be considered an authentic crop
A: They can get close. But again, there are differences. These
can be detected if one is aware and looking.
Q: (J) Is there any criteria you can give us to measure against,
is there anything in particular to look for? Or would it pop out
as something strange that doesn't make sense in a crop circle if
you examine it? Or is there actual...
A: One thing to look for would be growth disruptions to the
area. Real circles do not disrupt the creative principle.
Q: (J) Now would this lack of disruption of the creative
principle apply to crop circles created by STS, STO, or both?
Q: (J) So STO doesn't disrupt the life cycle but, if it were STS
then it would change it. That would make sense. Well, there
again the reported effects of contact with STS: the coldness,
the burning, the whole negativity of it. That would logically
disrupt the life cycle. As for the way that they do this: you
say that it was directed from 4th density. Do they actually come
in and have any kind of physical apparatus in the vicinity to do
A: It was not done from 4D.
Q: (J) I'm not talking about the one that we're talking about
this time, I'm talking about when STO creates a crop circle do
they have a physical...
A: Real crop circles represent thoughts from 6th density unified
Q: (J) Okay. So that's why they don't disrupt the growth;
because they're using thought forms as opposed to STS
technology, either the 3D or 4D or what not. Have any crop
circles been made by 4th density STS directly?
A: Very few and quite ineptly up to this point.
Q: (V) Can you tell us an example of another one, if there is
only a few?
A: One comes up as a series of "symbols" similar to occult
cipher. Check the data.
Q: (L) I think I've seen that one. I noticed it because it was
so different from all the purported authentic ones. This
suggests, of course, that Rosemary Ellen Guiley, the woman who
writes for Fate Magazine, and who claims that crop circles are
produced by secret government technology, may have an 'inside
line' to the Consortium. I thought so. So start looking at crop
circles. (A) Well you remember there was a crop circle that they
said it was Greek or something...(L) Anything else on this crop
circle? Alright we're done with the crop circle. Ask your
question so we can get it out of the way before we start on
Q: (V) About a year and half ago, I noticed a couple of times a
very small point on my underarm that was like cornflower blue. I
mentioned it to a few people, and two other people in particular
said they had similar marks themselves. I've been curious ever
since as to how they got there why they got there. Because when
it happened I felt like I had been abducted. Of course, knowing
how I feel about abduction, I was basically ashamed that if it
was abduction that I was still open, that I was still allowing
myself to be abducted and messed with.
A: More projecting?
Q: (C) What do they mean by projecting?
A: Some project...some reflect...
Q: (V) Okay, what was the cornflower blue dot on my arm?
A: It was an energy surge "burn." EM in nature.
Q: (V) Did this emanate from a source within me or from without
Q: (V) Dare I ask, STS, STO?
A: Realm curtain EM burst.
Q: (V) It's like 4th density bleed through?
A: You got it.
Q: (V) You used the word 'burn.' It looked like where a shot had
been given, comment please?
A: Ask Laura about that. She had one.
Q: (V) You had a cornflower blue spot on your arm? (L) No, it
was on my belly, but...(V) What did you think about it when you
saw it? (L) Well, it freaked me out because it had tiny hole in
the middle of it. (V) Mine started out real pretty cornflower
blue and then developed into bruise colors. (L) Well, mine came
with a dream. I dreamed that something shot up out of me into
the atmosphere one night. The next day, in the bath, I noticed
that I had this spot and this hole in it right where this thing
had shot up out of me in the dream. Well, in the dream, it was
almost like a little rocket that shot up out of me and when it
shot up to the roof of the house it opened like an umbrella and
floated down. (V to T) Now I remember you talking about orgone
being a blue color, did you not? (T) Yes. (V) Is there any
relationship to orgone?
A: No. Blue color is physiological response the same way a
blister is physical response to heat.
Q: (V) Okay, if that is the physical aspect of it, what is the
say metaphysical aspect of it?
A: EM energy surge.
Q: (V) When this happened to you did you ask them about it? (L)
Yeah, but I don't remember what they said, I'll have to look it
up. I think it was something like an energy surge; something
like a defensive gesture. (V) Is what Laura is saying is true,
is this EM energy surge a defense mechanism?
A: Most often.
Q: (V) Defense mechanism against what?
Q: (V) Well it's cool we got that going on. Did it work?
A: Did it?
Q: (V) That's what I'm asking you guys...oh well, I'm still
A: Okay, it worked.
Q: (C) So every time one of those spots appears it's a sign that
intrusion had been trying to happen and it was successfully
A: Depends on the "spot" and the individual. But, generally, yes
if the same coloration.
Q: (V) I was curious if the same type of thing happens with
different colors. (L) Well they said the blue coloration was a
physiological response to the EM thing the way the blister would
be to heat. I would imagine that there might be physiological
responses to other kinds of things, just like burns can be
different from scrapes, from cuts, from scratches. (V) Okay,
well, since we have spot in quotation marks what is the
difference between a spot being on the belly and a spot being on
A: It simply denotes the nature of the defense in symbolic
terms. Yours was personal, thus the arm. Laura's was for the
children, thus the ovary.
Q: (L) Yeah. I was aware that my children were being threatened
and this thing shot up out of me, up through the roof, and it
opened up into an umbrella and floated down on the house like a
symbolic protection - like a gigantic bell jar shield - for the
kids. I thought it was so cool because, gee, that's pretty handy
thing to have, you know; you've got these rocket launchers in
your body (laughter)!
Q: (L) I have a question. I had a thought the other night after
I read Dolan's book. He was talking about this government
technology for mind control and so forth, and how the government
or the military was trying to cover up the alien presence and
interactions, what they were really up to and what they were
really doing, and I came to this idea after reading all of these
cases. What is evident is that there were apparently abductions
and landings and contact stories from very early on in the
so-called UFO phenomenon. What I thought about was the fact that
Budd Hopkins and Whitley Strieber promoted in their books -
mostly Whitley - the image of the gray alien as the standard
American abductor. After the publication of these books, all
American abductions seemed to follow the pattern of the gray
alien abduction. However, it is primarily an American
phenomenon. Most other places in the world don't have little
gray aliens with bug eyes. So, what I want to know is this: is
the gray alien abduction scenario: a.) A screen memory b.) a
creation of the American military mass mind programming project
in order to acclimate people to certain conditions,
circumstances and interactions, or c.) something else or d) are
they really just gray aliens abducting everybody?
A: You have stumbled upon an interesting question indeed. As we
have noted previously, physical abductions are rare. Not only
that, some abductions do not end with return of the victim. Now,
what do you suppose you would do to cover up this fact? You
might "create" a lot of abductions that end with return and "no
Q: (L) That wasn't one of my answer selections! Does this mean
that the abductions reported by the people that Budd Hopkins
worked with, followed by Whitley Strieber, were staged?
A: Close enough for horseshoes.
Q: (L) Okay, what would get us closer.
A: How about several varieties of experiences including
government experiments? Did you ever notice how some cases
exhibit extreme trauma and some do not? Same general story, but
one is related with deeper sensation of reality, and another is
not. Why do you think so many "abductees" are able to
accommodate the experience, while some result in ruined lives?
Q: (L) So you are saying that some of them are not really being
abducted. They're just having something projected into their
mind. So how long has this been going on?
A: Over 30 years.
Q: (L) That would be back to the 70's. And so where did Whitley
come up with his gray aliens...and how does this relate to grays
as cyber-genetic probes?
A: There really are "grays." But not nearly as ubiquitous the
gov would like you to think.
Q: (L) So with Whitley telling everybody how it happens and what
they look like, along with contouring of the blanket EM mind
control field or whatever, with the beaming out of a
mind-programming waves - whatever it is - they're able to make a
whole hell of a lot of people - everybody who is susceptible -
think they are in contact with gray aliens. What is it that
makes some people susceptible and not others?
A: Most generally that they are not organic portals.
Q: (L) So that leads to our other question, do organic portals
ever get abducted?
A: No need.
Q: (L) So they're using this, in a sense, as a weeding
A: More or less.
Q: (L) So those people who declare firmly, that there is
absolutely, never have, never could be, any evidence of
abduction, could be OP's?
A: Generally speaking, yes.
Q: (V) Well, a souled person who has their faculties about them
with knowledge is not going to get abducted either?
(L) I don't
think that's necessarily a logical conclusion.
necessarily? Well, I thought they told us that once your
knowledge level increases you will no longer be abducted.
don't think that this was the actual conclusion. Yes, it is true
that if your knowledge increases then you have an idea what's
going on. And most especially, if your mind is strong enough not
to be susceptible to these mind control waves, you can certainly
put an end to that nonsense. But, that doesn't mean that you
would not be physically abducted if those 4th density dudes or
the government decided to do it because that has nothing to do
with battling mind control waves. I mean if they really want to
get to you they'll send somebody into your life who is an OP and
they'll come to you thorough that person.
(J) But, they said
"generally." They didn't say "all the time." So an OP could be
programmed to exist as a an abduction portal, masquerading as an abductee.]
(C) Could I just ask one question? Last fall I
believed I was abducted, and I actually have one memory of it,
of a gray, you know, while I was laying on a table. I also had
physical signs on my body of an abduction. I'm curious as I'm
hearing this: was I being abducted by grays that really exist or
was that like the government mind control making me think that I
(A) What kind of physical...
(C) I had pain in my uterus
area, I had pink eye, missing time, I felt like I got run over
by a train. I had all these physical symptoms of something
really bad happening and then one memory of being on a table
with this gray standing in front of me.
(L) Do you suffer from
Post Traumatic Stress?
(C) Not that I know of.
(V) No panic
(C) No anxiety or panic attacks.
(V) I think if
somebody is getting hauled out consistently for most of their
life they're going to be pretty jumpy about everything.
(C) Oh yeah, like every loud noise, everything freaks me
out, makes me jump, it's like abnormal reaction to loud noises
(V) Do you remember what was being done to you while you
were on the table?
(C) Well, I slipped into the memory when I
least expected it. You know, once I realized what was happening,
that I am looking at a gray, I just kind of freaked out and got
really scared and I snapped myself out of it. So I had no idea
what was being done. But I know that I felt completely under
control, like calm, like I wasn't scared on the table - like he
was making me not be scared; like he was controlling me. But in
seeing that, being numb, I got scared and pulled out of it. I'm
just wondering if that actually happened, if I really was
abducted by real grays, or mind control was going on.
A: How about real abductions, but not necessarily by "grays."
They are very popular screens.
Q: (V) Okay, if not grays then who?
A: Ask her brother!
Q: (C) Okay, well he's claiming that he's being abducted by the
government agents. So if that's who he thinks is abducting him,
does that mean that's who's abducting me? (L) Either that or
he's saying that it's happening to him, while the one who is
really being abducted is you, and he's saying it because he is
part of the screen. Projecting, reflecting. Talk about
diversion. (C) What are they saying? (AM) Maybe he's being used
to divert attention. To access you...one way or another. (A) So
I understand it's probably some kind secret government activity
that she is involved in, right? (L) Seems to be so. (J) Is there
a criteria for what they project? Is there a certain reason why
they pick certain screens? Some people have experiences with
reptoids and others have experiences with mantid beings and
other different types of aliens. Is there a particular reason
why they choose such a screen? Is it to play on a person's
emotions or a person's perspective, or is it simply the way the
person's mind deals with...
A: Reptoids and mantids are not screens.
Q: (J) So those are real beings who are doing that?
Q: (V) Real 4th density STS.
(L) But this matter about these
grays: I mean, I had the thought and shot up out of bed. I got
up out of bed in the middle of the night because I started
thinking about it, and thinking about it. I had read Dolan and I
had read about these programs and then I read this thing about
them being able to just send out the whole mind programming
thing into a "shaped neutral cavity created between the ozone
layer and the earth. I started to think "why is that nearly
everybody in America gets abducted by grays?" And why is it that
everybody else - all of the rest of the world - experiences
different kinds of creatures? What is it and why is it there so
much of it going on here as opposed to what's going on in the
rest of the world? And I remember asking the C's about it once
and they said because America is the capital of STS, but that
did not in any way confirm that all of these abductions were
actually taking place. However, putting the fact that there is
this almost unbelievable number of gray alien abductions in the
US together with the US being the capital of STS, together with
the little leaks about their mind control research, well, I just
asked "what is really going on here? Well, when we look at the
phenomenon chronicled by Dolan, what we see is that the
government IS, most definitely and crucially, interested in UFOs
and aliens. We also see the truly Machiavellian way they have
sought to not only cover it up, but to actually pretend that it
does NOT even exist! They have pushed this "there is nothing to
it" idea to such an extreme, that people afraid of talking about
it for fear of being thought nuts. Well, what if that is on
purpose? That way, if anybody has a REAL abduction, and there is
REAL evidence, or something really awful happens, they can
easily attribute it to lunacy. BUT, what if they ARE really
concerned about some awful things going on? What if they really
need to conceal things? It's not enough to just deny it or
pretend things are all in people's minds, because obviously that
is not true. So, what would Machiavelli do? Well, first of all,
he would build up a straw man to knock down. He would create
aliens that are complete and total distractions from what is
real. So, as it happens, at about the time we now know that this
mind control research was at a stage where it would be possible,
suddenly, one day, Whitley Strieber gets a best seller writing
about things we now know the government has obviously killed
people to cover up. That can't be proved, but it is strongly
circumstantial. So the next logical question is this: if - as we
now know - the secret government is really working on concealing
this problem from society, do we -for a minute - think that
Whitley would be able to publish a book that reveals the truth?
And that it would be a best seller? Not one book either, but
several on this subject, with the picture right on the cover.
Well, I read about people who said when they saw this picture
that they felt sick, or they had this or that kind of
experience. And everybody and his brother was suddenly seeing
grays. And all of a sudden as soon as - I mean there were a few
cases of this exact type prior to Strieber's book - after
Strieber's book became a best seller the abduction phenomenon
went right through the roof. So all of this clicked together in
my head in the middle of the night. As a result of this, there
was another very interesting thing. If you look at that Roswell
video, and you ask yourself the question: was it a hoax, and if
I was going to do a hoax, how would I do it? After all, a hoax
is supposed to be 'convincing,' right? If it was a hoax, the
hoaxers would have made that alien look like your standard gray.
But the alien did not look like your standard gray. Not only
that, he had six fingers on each hand and each foot. He had
almost like the body of a child. He looked like an enlarged
fetus. So if that had been a hoaxed video or if they were going
to plant this video to confirm anything about the "popular alien
reality," if they faked that alien, they would've made it look
like a gray because that was what everybody was expecting to
see. And in fact, one of the reasons many so-called researchers
- including Mike Lindemann - rejected this video, dismissing it
as a hoax, was because it didn't show a gray alien! I mean
people aren't even able to think! They rejected it because it
didn't look like the gray alien. Well, that's one of the most
compelling reasons that it is very likely real; the fact that it
didn't look like a gray. And of course everybody is so convinced
that they must look like these little four fingered bugged-eyed
half insect creatures that Whitley Strieber has promoted so that
when the real thing is right there in front of them, they reject
it because it doesn't look like Whitley's grays.
(J) It may have
been almost like a test to see how well the project was going
because what is the reason for releasing the autopsy video,
except to make sure that everyone's conditioned toward the
contemporary gray which seems to change with time.
(L) Okay, so
where were we, ah yes, Whitley's ubiquitous grays. There really
are some grays, but they may not look like Whitley's gray...are
there grays that look exactly like Whitley's grays, real ones?
A: He missed the mark.
Q: (V) What I saw in that abduction that I remembered were not
like exactly like Whitley's grays. What were those little guys?
A: The real thing.
Q: (V) Okay, are they based on the moon?
A: Most are based on Earth.
Q: (L) Okay. On to organic portals. You said before that OP's
were originally intended as a bridge between second and third
densities and that they were later used by 4 D STS as a control
mechanism. Is Mouravieff right about the potential for OP's to
advance being dependent upon souled beings advancement to STO at
the end of this cycle?
A: Not exactly. A soul imprint can grow independent of the
cycle. However, it is more likely for a soul to "grow" when
interacting with 4th Density STO. STS tends to drain energy for
its own use.
Q: (L) The question came up about the remark as to the numbers
of OPs and you said something about encountering half as many
OP's as souled humans. It was pointed out that, in mathematical
terms, that would work out to encountering or interacting with
more souled humans than OPs. So, you said the population was
evenly distributed, when you say the population was evenly
distributed does that mean that there are half organic portals
and half souled humans, more or less?
Q: (L) So when you say encountering 'half as many,' what does
A: It means that "souls" run in families for the most part. Thus
a souled, and we mean "potentially fully souled", individual is
likely to encounter and interact more with other souled humans.
However, when awakening, they may encounter even more OP's.
Q: (L) So they tend to run in families, or there can be
aberrations. Or a family that's mostly OP's could have an
occasional souled human, which they don't know what to do with.
And, in the same way, a family of mostly souled people could
have an occasional OP, or a line of them that pops up in the
family every now and then. But for the most part, people with
souls marry people with souls unless there is some danger of
them awakening in which case there's special situation where
they insert OP's into their lives. But I would say that in a
general sense what they're saying, and y'all can correct me if
I'm wrong here, is that, what, water seeks its own level, so to
A: More or less.
Q: (L) So in other words, the people who noticed that remark
were right, and the way I took it was wrong. But it still means
that the overall population is split about equally between the
two "races." Okay, another question, are there other types of
soulless beings more than those reanimated or remolecularized
dead dudes and OP's? Is there such things as holographic
projection beings running around on the planet at this point and
A: In a sense, you are all "holographic" projections. But to
answer the question, it is rare.
Q: (L) So, there are holographic projection type beings or there
can be, but there's not too many of them. Alright, on to the
next question. Are there any particular clues that we could have
about identifying OP's?
A: Is it necessary to have more clues? Remember some things are
to be learned.
Q: (C) I think they're saying to start paying attention, making
mental notes and figuring it out for yourself. (J) Didn't they
say that generally OP's don't get abducted? (L) Well, we've
certainly been given a lot of clues over the years, we just
weren't ready and didn't know what they were talking about. (C)
I think it's probably better, from what they're saying, if we
just all figure it out from experience. You learn more by just
watching than if they handed it to you. (L) Another question we
had was, in areas where 3rd and 4th density are merged or
merging, is it easier for Men in Black to project themselves
into such a reality.
A: Of course.
Q: (J) They once said something about bi-density beings. They
were like hybrids between 4th density beings and a 3rd density
being. Or could such an individual be a genetically enhanced
A: Humans were once "bi-density." And some may be again in the
natural way. Those of 4D STS "manufacture" are similar. Just
think of them as a type of OP with souped up engines.
Q: (L) My next question is: I've been being a bit mouthy on the
website lately. I just can't seem to keep my mouth shut when I
see so many lies and so much fraud, and the potential for so
many people being hurt. I know that things are going to be they
way they are being, and that we will 'do what we will do,' but
it just isn't in me to keep silent when I see what I see. What
are the chances that any of my activities are going to even be
A: While it may not appear to make a difference, sometimes
actions accelerate growth.
Q: (C) Do they mean personal growth or everyone's collective
growth? (B) In the form of intensified lessons? (L) Yeah
A: Personal growth. And it can lead to lessons, but also to a
star for passing the test.
Q: (L) Okay, next. (A) Well, let's first try to ask about this
Polish guy Pajak who, in the 80's, had a plan for what he calls
magno-craft, a propulsion system for UFO's. Later, he improved
it, and acquired a supporter. But there are some strange
phenomena around him recently, especially after he was contacted
by a woman who is a former Miss Italy. She received some kind of
communication for plans to build telepathic pyramids...
A: Co-opted so as not to get any closer.
Q: (A) Can his machine propulsion - his magno-craft - be made to
A: Not as published.
Q: (A) Okay. Now: Prime numbers. Back to some math and some
prime numbers in the sessions that we had long ago. The idea at
that time was to relate or to make a graph of prime numbers by
using a pyramid. I tried to do it without much success. But just
last week I found by chance that there's a guy in Germany who
did it without knowing about C's. He produced just such a graph.
Here it is [Ark shows image.] He did it. It is a graph of whole
numbers and he assembled it in a pyramid and you see how prime
numbers arrange according to certain lines. There is a certain
order which can be found. So my question is whether what he did
really is what I was supposed to do because I was trying to
assemble prime numbers in a three dimensional pyramid, which
doesn't fit your description or to make a graph because three
dimensional thing is not really a graph. The question is: is
this pyramid which I got from this guy what I was supposed to
A: Close but not there yet.
Q: (A) Can I have a hint what is lacking? A different ordering
of numbers would be better?
A: Most likely. You will just "stumble" on the method.
Q: (A) Another question related to prime numbers: you said in
prime numbers you will find resonance and I was kind of
surprised about that...
A: There is your clue.
Q: (A) It was supposed to be related to sound. But I have a
problem with sound because sound frequency depends on the medium
in which sound propagates. The medium can be air, can be stone,
can be anything; the frequency spectrum will depend on the
medium. Now we are talking about pyramids and sound related to
pyramids. Was this...
A: Yes...Pyramid, Pyrenees, Pyr...
Q: (V) There must be something about the Pyr. How does Pyr
relate to prime numbers? (A) Where is pyramid, where are they
coming from, where's the name coming from, what's this? Pyro,
fire, no? (L) Yeah, fire.
A: Frequency of light...
Q: (A) Sonoluminescence. But again there is this term frequency.
I have areal problem with you guys using the term frequency
because frequency is number of oscillations per unit of time.
But what is the unit of time? A second, a minute, an hour, a
A: Can we say "nano?"
Q: (A) It doesn't make sense because what's nano? It doesn't
explain in which unit frequency is supposed to be measured.
There is no such thing as frequency if we don't say which unit
of time. So nano suggests it should be some nano measure of
frequency, or natural frequency. But I don't know any particular
frequency that, so to say, can serve as a unit of time.
A: How long is a grand cycle? Think in those subunits.
Q: (L) Well a grand cycle is what, 309,000 years? So how does
that relate? (A) Essentially it defines a unit of time. So if I
say frequency is equal to 1, it means one grand cycle, if I say
frequency equals 10, it means 10 oscillations per grand cycle,
and so on, okay. Okay, it's a kind of an answer. If anything, it
makes sense. I can do something with it. Okay, at some point
when we were talking about these prime numbers, you mentioned a
name and the name was Zuber. I asked what does it mean and you
answered 'research.' Well I was researching, of course. I was
just looking about, using Google. I was looking for Zuber and
prime numbers and something like this. And, surprise, surprise!
There were essentially, very few references, and all of them
were to Matti Pitkanen. So he has a lot of papers about prime
numbers and theory of everything based on prime numbers...(L)
How did Zuber get in there? (A) Zuber is one of these references
because one of the references is a famous book, which I even
have, by a physicist named Zuber, about quantum field theory! So
my question: , is the Zuber of the book on quantum field theory
and conformal theories and so on, the right Zuber?
A: What do you think?
Q: (A) I think chances are 50%. And chances are that he's not
A: 80 percent!
Q: (A) 80%, that doesn't help much! I have this paper by Matti
Pitkanen here, maybe you will reevaluate this. The paper is
called Quantum Criticality and 1 over F nosxe. and here's Zuber.
Let me read it, hmm... [reading] conformal invariance, yeah, it
must be the same. Okay, 90 percent! [laughter].
Q: (T) I don't know if this has been addressed before, but what
are some possible causes of intermittent ear ringing? (C) I have
some theories about it but I want to know if my theories are
A: Monitoring as well as picking up programming signals and also
some background "universe" noise.
Q: (C) The reason we ask is because I've noticed a pattern. I
even keep a log about it now because it's so weird. I personally
get ear ringing when it seems like I'm talking to somebody out
loud or to myself about a theory about something that has to do
with matrix stuff. (L) So you're being monitored? (C) Right. So
any time it seems like I'm having a breakthrough thought - you
know drones, the matrix, the programs, holographic inserts - all
of the sudden I'll get like an ear ringing. Sometimes the left,
sometimes the right, but I'm trying to find out what the pattern
is. So I'm keeping track of it. (T) What process is responsible
for creating the actual ringing noise?
A: Partly "interpretation" by neural processes that, at some
level, recognize the potential and issue symptomatic warning.
Q: (C to T) Remember the one with R**, I said it was a warning
one. It was the loudest ear ring I've ever had. It burned my
ear. (L) So, in other words, seems that the C's are suggesting
that your spiritual perception, psychic perception, is picking
stuff up, transferring it in a subliminal way to your mind, and
then your neural processes are trying to translate it and give
you a warning. Is that what you were thinking? (C) I think so. I
was wondering constantly about the idea, the concept of fake
humans, holographic inserts, drones, organic portals, what ever
you want to call it, and just what happened was weeee (a sound
like ear ringing) and just really loud in my right ear. (L) So
in a sense it's like your early warning system. (C) Ummhmm. (V)
You know I don't even have to be talking to somebody, I can just
be thinking about something and it'll just zheeee [a sound like
ear ringing]. (L) I wonder if OP's have ringing in their ears?
A: Ask one.
Q: [Laughter] (A) First of all there is also ear ringing which
comes from physiological causes. (L) Yeah, tinnitus. So of
course they could have physiological ringing in the ear. (C) It
happens only when I'm thinking specifically about these kinds of
matters. (T) Does the frequency of sound have any significance?
(C) Yeah, 'cause sometimes they're waahs, they're soft. Tthere's
different tones you know. Sometimes it's in the right ear,
sometimes the left ear.
A: Observe and you may learn your own internal "code."
Q: (C) That's what I thought, it's like a code. (A) I think it's
like when people can use, what is it, a finger code under
hypnosis or with biofeedback training. You can somehow train,
bypass conscious interference that way. (L) Yeah, that's what it
is, it's bypassing your conscious damping. We all tend to just
think our way out of things. (A) But the interesting question is
can one somehow disturb this monitoring? Is it something
physical that can...
A: Sure, the issue is to cover the many frequencies and shifts.
White noise makers deal with some but not all!
Q: (A) I was wondering if a shot of whiskey beat it. Like, you
know, when I had this experiences in Göttingen and the advice
was...(L) A shot of whiskey! So you want your shot of whiskey
now? [laughter] (A) Sure, to prevent being monitored!
A: In some cases a shift in chemistry also means a shift in
susceptibility, but not a cessation of the activity.
Q: (L) So it ain't gonna stop it, though you might reduce -
temporarily - your susceptibility. (V) Well, a slug of whiskey?
Wouldn't that be just a little too easy? (A) You know we are in
a non-linear world so to become even a little less susceptible
can mean a lot. (V) Right. (B) Is that justification? [laughter]
(L) We've got some Southern Comfort. Next? (V) Just so I can get
it out of the way because I've been wondering for months and
months: I would like to get some information about the symbol
that came to me one day in meditation, the ankh with the
infinity sign vibrating in and out of the bulb. Where did the
symbol come from?
A: Your consciousness.
Q: (V) Okay, well it was very interesting how it came because it
came flipping up my arm like a person does back flips, all the
way up my left arm, and landed right in front of my third
eye...and that just seems bizarre to me...
A: You like to send yourself dramatic messages.
Q: (V) Okay, as I read the symbol I read it to mean infinite
life, is that correct?
A: Close enough.
Q: (L) Next? (V) Did we ask if if 4th density drains energy from
A: We have indicated that 4D STS drains through OP's.
Q: (A) I want really to know what kind of mechanism is behind
this 911 number coming up in the NY lottery. (V) Yeah, me too,
and it wasn't only that it was something with the...
A: Warning. It ain't over!!!
Q: (A) Who was warning?
A: Mass consciousness signals to self about clear and present
Q: (A) Makes sense. (C) That we created it our own selves? (L)
No, that mass consciousness is sending itself a signal about a
clear and present danger...clear and present danger of what?
A: Wait and see.
Q: Might it have something to do with Iraq?
A: No cheating.
Q: (V) Okay. I'm a little curious, and I don't know if it's been
asked before or not, what is China's role in regards to Iraq, is
A: Big question mark, eh?
Q: (V) Well, it just keeps popping into my mind, and popping
into my mind, China, China, China, China. They're so quiet at
this time right now, I don't hear them saying anything...
Q: (V) Are they supplying the Iraqis with the chemical and
Q: (V) Nuclear weapons?
Q: (V) You can't, you can't say that?
Q: (A) In fact there is an answer. The answer is yes. I mean if
you were China - or Russia for that matter - and you had nuclear
weapons and you needed a LOT of money, what would you do? (L)
And there is somebody who needs what you have, and there is all
that oil and all that money, are you kidding? Saddam wouldn't be
being as cocky as he is if he didn't have a really big boom-boom
lined up. And it's aimed at us, I can guarantee. (V) Now does
our government and their so called intelligence know that this
is happening? (A) Of course! (V) Are they in cahoots with them?
(L) Sure. (A) On a certain level everybody's selling everything.
(L) At those levels they are because their objective is to
decimate the Earth's population. (V) Is China the only one
feeding Iraq weapons? (L) Why should they be? The US is feeding
them weapons. I mean it's so dirty it's inconceivable. They're
all in bed together. (V) Is Laura right, the world leaders, the
10 % that want to get rid of...
A: That is the plan.
Q: (A) But you must remember, if one country is selling weapons
to the other country, that doesn't mean it's weapons are going
to work. Selling is one thing, using is different thing. Once in
a while they will fail. (V) What a mucky game, huh? (L) Oh it's
A: On that pleasant thought, goodbye.
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September 21, 2002
A: Hello! So place your hand in mine.
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
Q: And where do you transmit through?
Q: (A) Is it an objective fact that I think much more clearly
outside than inside, as I was noticing over the past weeks?
A: Yes. It is due to long wave cluster pattern in the house.
Q: (A) Is this due to some external source?
Q: (A) What is the location of the source?
A: Hidden source. Think in terms of military generators placed
at specific locations for general "control."
Q: (L) So everybody is being bombarded by it so nobody can
think. Everybody's asleep. (A) Why does it affect me more than
A: It doesn't. Just different symptoms.
Q: (A) Still, I would like to understand why being outside, why
A: Geometrical structures cause "clustering."
Q: (A) Can we a) shield, b) have some antidote that would
A: The best antidote is to move.
Q: (A) Yes, this is the best antidote. But, in order to move we
have to do certain things - it would be nice if we could do
these certain things in better mind capacity - therefore, what
is the next best antidote that can be applied here, before we
A: Wave generator with broad-spectrum capability so as to
Q: (A) What waves: acoustic or electromagnetic?
Q: (A) Are such wave generators commercially available?
A: Probably not. Why not build one?
Q: (A) Okay, we can build a wave generator. What power is
needed? If we build an EM wave generator, it will just create EM
Q: (L) So, we'll be poisoning ourselves twice! (A) Right!
A: Unless detector that is adjustable is added and tuned to
precise canceling frequency.
Q: (L) I think it would be cheaper to move. (A) A broad band
wave generator, like a damaged florescent tube produces all
kinds of EM noise. But if you tune the frequency. (L) Well, you
have to have a detector AND a tuner. Cheaper to move.
A: Better, too!
Q: (A) There must be some way to make the body less vulnerable
to these things.
A: Silk clothing and headgear.
Q: (A) I know! Aluminum pyramids! [Laughter.]
A: With silk lining.
Q: (L) What about these metallicized reflector curtains I have
to keep the heat out, do they help? And don't forget that your
office has that cathedral ceiling - a pyramid. They said
something about the geometrical structure.
Q: (A) Okay, if we change the geometric structure somehow, it
would help, right? (L) We could hang something from the ceiling
that moves - a ceiling fan? It would produce noise, EM, moves
the air...(A) That may help. But then, if we had the ozone
generator, a fan would move ions around. Ions, while they are
moving, are an electric current. They would produce noise. So
that may help. (L) So we need to build the ozone generator.
A: All helpful. But still the best option is sell and move.
Q: (L) You have NEVER told us that it was a good idea to sell
and move. Every other time I have ever asked, the answer has
been negative. Why, all of a sudden, is selling the house and
moving a good idea?
A: Things are moving rapidly now.
Q: (L) Is something significant going to happen on September 22
as has been suggested by Vincent Bridges?
A: Not likely.
Q: What's going to happen if people engage in his silly ceremony
of "raising the djed," as he calls it?
Q: (L) Is this bombing of Iraq that George Bush wants - is there
any way to stop this gang from going to war?
Q: (L) Are all of my efforts in that respect wasted?
Q: (L) Well, if my efforts to stop the bombing are not wasted,
and yet the bombing is going to continue, what's the point?
A: Efforts will result in different return.
Q: (L) Shouldn't we get some more work done on the house before
we try to sell it?
A: If you can do it in a hurry.
Q: (L) If we move, does that just mean move from this house to
another nearby, or out of the country?
Q: (L) I thought you said France was going to get hit by a nuke?
A: Still possible but less probable.
Q: (L) Is the United States going to be hit by nukes?
A: No doubt.
Q: (L) What should I do about my oldest daughter and my mother?
A: Help them to see.
Q: (L) And if they don't see?
A: Nothing you can do.
Q: (L) I am curious about this object that was seen in orbit
around the Earth by an amateur astronomer. As soon as he
announced it, it suddenly was explained away as an old rocket
booster that was orbiting the Sun, and it has now been
recaptured and is in orbit around earth. Yeah, right. Since 1969
it's been orbiting the Sun. Is this an old, cast off rocket
Q: (L) What is it?
A: High level scanner of sectors.
Q: (L) Like a radar? A satellite?
A: Similar, but more advanced.
Q: (L) Who does it belong to?
A: High level consortium.
Q: (L) Human or alien?
Q: (L) What was this thing seen off of Hollywood recently which
was claimed to be an ICBM being launched?
A: Nonsense. Flight of density transiting craft.
Q: (L) So, I understand that the war that was formerly scheduled
for January or February, as of today, was bumped up to November.
It's crazy. We were going to bomb Saddam in January or February
because he wouldn't let the inspectors in. So, now he let the
inspectors in and they decided they want to bomb him even
earlier. Explain to me! I feel like we are in a world gone mad!
A: You are.
Q: (L) What is the most important thing we ought to be doing
A: Concentrate on getting the ducks in a row to move.
Q: (L) What is the objective of George Bush and the Gang?
A: Life will not be as difficult as you think.
Q: (L) Well, all I can say is I don't know how we can do such a
thing. We just are not in a position to do it. I know you had to
make such a decision, and you did what you did all on your own.
And I had decisions I had to make. And here, this is a decision
that just goes against what I want to do. I mean, I want to do
it, but being faced with it - thinking about it - doing it is
just like climbing a mountain. We simply do not have the money
to just jump up and move right now! (A) There is one solution:
step by step.
Q: (L) Well, that's enough on my plate for tonight.
A: Money will come very soon. Good night. End of Session
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September 28, 2002
Ark, Laura, AM, BT
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
Q: And where do you transmit through?
Q: [Laura asks for door to be opened as she suddenly feels great
A: Life is religion.
Q: (L) What does that mean?
A: Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those
who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their
interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world
exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those
individuals, the worlds will cease. They will become exactly
what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the
"past." People who pay strict attention to objective reality
right and left, become the reality of the "Future."
Q: (L) In this recent incident with JN, I have a few questions.
Apparently, she was "hearing" things differently than I was, and
I was reading things that she wrote with a certain perspective
that does not seem to have accurately represented what she
meant. She had said "you don't pay attention to the confusion,
you just do what you came here to do." I understood this in a
completely different context. From her perspective, "paying no
attention to the confusion all around and doing what you came
here to do" essentially amounted to discovering the ways and
means to "ascend" by overcoming and ignoring and shutting out
the world. To me, "pay no attention to the confusion" means to
pay close attention to what is going on, but not to be confused
by it, to see the reality in the midst of the confusion.
Any new knowledge a person comes in contact with can cause
confusion until you come to terms with the reality of it.
The important thing seems to be to not dwell on the "confusion"
aspect, but to concentrate on learning the knowledge that is
buried in the confusion. Trying to understand what it is you
need to learn. JN's idea was that if it causes confusion, you
are supposed to shut it ALL out, pay no attention to any of it,
and just concentrate on feeling peaceful. That's the same thing
Whitley Strieber was saying: "The only freedom you will have is
inside yourself." I guess, because those are the things I have
been mulling over, this may be what is the stimulus for the C's
opening remarks. Is that in response to the concerns in my mind?
A: More or less.
Q: (L) The other thing I was thinking about is the teaching that
you are supposed to withdraw into some kind of monastic life in
order to grow spiritually. What I have observed is that the
world is exactly what is needed to learn the lessons of
existence. Anybody who thinks that, in order to be spiritual,
they have to go off to a monastery, or meditate, or follow this
or that so-called "spiritual practice," are turning away the
greatest interaction with God and creation imaginable. They are
throwing away a great gift. By living in the world, and striving
to see the spirit in things, one can accomplish so much more
than if they go off to a monastery where there are no
distractions, no real tests of balance or seeing. It's more
religious, I think, to be in the world and be able to see and
experience "spirit" than most people realize. The real world is
where we fit. It is where we are born. And if we try to escape
this lesson, we just come back over and over again.
that IS their world? Maybe escaping to a monastery or ignoring
or shutting out the world IS what is right for them.
the question is, whether we learn to undestand the world around
us. Some people don't care about understanding the world. They
are effectively saying: "it's holier to not care about the
world, it's your business - we just want to ignore it."
they become the memory of the past - primal matter - they
recycle. The very fact that we ARE in this realm means that this
is where we fit. And it seems that the only way to move to the
next level is to grow. And that means to take full cognizance of
the medium of growth, to learn about the realm, learn how to be
spiritual in the realm where you are. Grow where you are
planted, but always toward the light.
A: Home is where the heart is.
Q: (AM) Is it vital to my physical existence to move to another
country in the near future?
A: It is not "vital" to be in the body at all. But for those
with missions in this realm, it is quite useful to preserve the
physical vehicle. Thus, if one accepts the mantle of
responsibility to humanity, it is not a selfish thing to seek
preservation until the mission is accomplished. In the present
situation, that will be enhanced outside of the USA.
Q: (AJ) I am reading one of the books by the Polish engineer
Pajak, written in 1990, where he describes a UFO propulsion
system. He claims that he has discovered a "periodic principle"
where inventions come like the periodic table, and he says it is
now time to discover this UFO propulsion system. So much that he
says seems to "fit." He gives many good ideas, but generally for
the wrong reasons. Are his main ideas sound? Is it true that
UFOs are using the machinery that he describes?
A: His primary block is his lack of knowledge of
Q: (AJ) That is true. But to build such a thing, we need to use
3D technology because that is what we have. We cannot use 4D
technology because we don't have access to 4D tools, so what can
A: You will.
Q: (AJ) Question is whether Pajak's 3D technology that he
describes corresponds to what it really is?
A: Generally speaking, more or less. But so much is lacking
that, as designed, the prototypes will do nothing.
Q: (AJ) Has his idea been taken from him and successfully
implemented by others - say, military?
A: No need. Only objective there is to prevent his further
Q: (AJ) His ideas are quite original, so I wonder where he is
A: Not so original, just logical. Only reason others don't "get"
such ideas is because they cannot think logically due to
Q: (AJ) Well, I also have problems with logical thinking due to
A: Less than before.
Q: (AJ) Well, that means that I am still under hypnosis and
clearly I am under more hypnosis than this Mr. Pajak is because
I have not been able to get as far as he has...
A: You aren't an engineer.
Q: (L) That reminds me! I wonder why it is we have such a
preponderance of engineer types and computer types in the
School? (AJ) Computer types, it's clear: they are the only guys
who have the time! [Laughter] (L) I think that the C's really
appeal to engineering types for some reason. (AJ) I want to ask
about these Polish crop circles that have appeared in the same
place several years in a row. Last time, the people were already
waiting there, equipped with cameras and all sorts of things,
and were able to film a formation, to film strange lights in the
night, the compass needle moving, and so on. The guy wrote to me
and said that they have seen a real UFO making crop circles. (L)
Did they film any solid objects? (AJ) Just lights. Of course, it
was over three years so there is no guarantee that they were
made by the same method for three years. The question is: who
made these circles?
A: Just because their conscious minds rationalize a "psychic"
impulse of awareness at another level does not mean they are
Q: (L) Are you saying that there is a psychic impulse, or
awareness at another level, of something going on, and this cues
them into the fact that something is going to appear, and they
have come up with a rational explanation for it that may or may
not be correct. In other words, because they had awareness,
because they showed up and saw lights in the sky, does not mean
that these lights are necessarily UFOs as they are commonly
understood, is that it?
Q: (AJ) I don't understand. There are these circles. Something
is making them. What is it?
Q: (BT) The observers, or others?
A: 6th Density.
Q: (AJ) Are UFOs also made by thoughts?
A: Everything is.
Q: (AJ) But some thoughts we call material, like this cup, which
is material. And then there is technology to build this cup.
Question is, is there technology behind producing these crop
A: Not in the sense you are thinking.
Q: (L) I think that the problem is the assumption that seeing
lights while the circles were being made meant that they were
being made by UFOs, that these lights were, themselves, UFOs.
That is the rationalization.
(AJ) Seeing a flying boomerang - is
it not the same thing as seeing a light in the sky?
(L) No. A boomerang is a solid
object even if it is a hyperdimensional one. It still has
solidity. There are many instances of seeing lights that do
unusual things that are not the result of solid objects as we
understand them. Or so I think.
(AJ) Okay. Last week I was looking
again at the deal of Joel Scherk, a French scientist. In
September of 1979, he wrote a paper on anti-gravity and he had
written other papers about time before that. Then, in 1980, he
died. Nobody was there to give him insulin when he had a
diabetic condition. Question is: was his death somehow
A: Indeed, as are many such. Keep in mind that the chemistry of
the body can be manipulated by waves at a distance!
Q: (AJ) He was an expert on supersymmetry. Is supersymmetry a
A: It is a partially correct approach to certain "states."
Q: (AJ) Change of subject. I want to build an ozone generator.
That is, I had an idea that it may be a good idea. Who knows, it
may be a very bad idea because we may die due to ozone. It kills
germs, it might kill us. [laughter] We ordered a transformer and
it will be our first experiment with high voltage. So, question
about ozone: Can we play with ozone? Is it a good idea?
A: Allow it to run while out of the room, limit long term direct
Q: (L) Will an ozone generator prevent UFOs from hanging around?
A: If it did, it would also prevent you from "being around"
Q: (L) What about some of these UFO detectors this guy Pajak has
A: Most of that is nonsense. UFOs can easily overcome any such
Q: (L) In reading the Pajak story, there is a part of it written
by a former Miss Italy who claims that she had information from
some sort of "contact" - maybe extraterrestrials or something -
about how to build a "telepathic communication pyramid." Is it
something that would do what was claimed about it?
A: To some extent, thought not in the way desired. It provides a
medium of reception of "earth bound" discarnates. It other
words, it is about as useful as trying to "remote view" 4th
density from a 3rd density state of being.
Q: (L) I would like to know if there is going to be any further
manipulations of the population in terms of terrorist attacks
and such things might further the negative agenda that is
A: No doubt! You are looking at men who are so desperate that
they have nothing to lose at this point.
Q: (L) Yes, sad but true. Any bunch of people who are so
desperate to do something that they would crash two jet
airliners into the tallest buildings in the world to and fake a
crash on the Pentagon, and murder all those people - because it
is nothing else but muder - are pretty desperate. They've got to
be crazy. It's like Vincent Bridges. He couldn't even see his
craziness. It just escalated until he shot himself in the foot.
We saw the "man behind the curtain" and there were no more
doubts in our minds that we had done the right thing to
disassociate from him. I guess, from that perspective, it's a
A: In a sense, since it will fail.
Q: (L) Yeah, but in the meantime a whole lot of awful stuff is
likely to come down. (BT) Is France still vulnerable to an
A: Less likely since you have exposed it.
Q: (L) Yes. That was my intention. After all, they can't be
doing things that we predict... it would be "too synchronistic."
(AJ) What about TS? Should we try to
intervene and help?
A: Let him ask.
Q: (L) Okay, I guess that's it for tonight...
A: Open eyes of souls. It will come soon! Goodnight.
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