August 29, 1998
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
Q: And where do you transmit through?
Q: (L) I have a couple of quick questions before we get into Ark’s
ones. The first question is: In this book, ‘Fingerprints of the
Gods,’ the guy
talks about what the Maya call ‘The Suns’ or world ages. The first
duration was 4008 years; the second was 4010 years; the third was
fourth 4026; and the fifth and current sun is supposed to end in
2012 on the
23rd of December, and it began in the fourth millennium BC of the
Christian calendar. So, what I would like to ask is: are these suns,
as the Maya described them, are these the periods of revolution of
the companion star of our Sun?
A: Well, this could be the case, or, it may be something else. Or it
could be a
combination of factors/events. It would not be prudent of us to
provide you with a direct, definitive answer at this juncture.
Signposts will provide the answers as you go along, if you are
patient and open minded.
Q: It also says here that on this pyramid,
at the time of the Spring and Autumn equinoxes, combined patterns of
light and dark combine to create the illusion of a giant serpent
undulating on the northern staircase. On each occassion the illusion
lasts for 3 hours and 22 minutes exactly. What was this optical
illusion created to convey?
A: Worship of serpentine deity.
Q: Was it created to convey or produce any other effect other than
A: The key is in the reading of the geometric cycle.
Q: On page 80, the book talks about these statues at Tiahuanaco on
Lake Titicaca. It says: ‘Carved in red sandstone, worn and ancient
beyond reckoning, the statue stand about 6 feet high and portrays a
humanoid, androgynous being with massive eyes and lips. In it’s
right hand it clutches something resembling a knife with a wavy
blade like an Indonesian kris. In it’s left hand is an object like a
hinged and case-bound book. From the top of this book, however,
protruded a device which had been inserted into it as though into a
sheath. From the waist down, the figure seemed to be clad in a
garment of fish scales.’ Okay, there is another statue with an
object in it’s left hand that is like a case bound book, but from it
protruded a forked handle. The right hand object was roughly
cylindrical, narrow in the center and bigger at each end. It
appeared to have several different parts. I would like to know what
these objects, or devices, carved into these ancient statues
Q: What did these conductors conduct? Were these the sound machines
that you have described previously?
What did they conduct?
A: Quartzine energy from atmospheric source.
Q: What was this energy used for?
Q: Well you have described a lot of things that did all kinds of
things... the pyramid, Stonehenge...
A: When one harnesses free energy, no limitations need apply.
Q: Why were these beings depicted with these fish-like garments?
A: Reptoids have that genetic profile to varying degrees.
Q: According to the Sumerian traditions, this was like the god
Oannes. In the night time, he would plunge back into the sea, but in
the daytime he would converse with men, giving them insight into
letters and sciences and every kind of art. But, it was noted that
he was never observed to eat. It says that he taught men how to
construct houses, temples, to compile laws, and explained to them
the principles of geometric knowledge. He made them distinguish the
seeds of the earth and made them gather fruits. In short, he
instructed them in everything that would tend to soften manners and
humanize mankind. From that time, so universal were his
instructions, that nothing has been added materially in the way of
improvement. The surviving images of Oannes on Babylonian and
Assyrian reliefs clearly portray him as a fish man. Is this another
A: “El legato.”
Q: Was this Oannes fish man similar to the Quinotaur that was
supposedly the half-father of the Merovingian royal line?
Only if one considers losses in the translative quarry.
Q: Well, quin is five. Does it relate somehow to the pentagon, the
pentagram, to five dimensional space?
Here it says: The Spanish Conquistadores and missionaries
destroyed nearly everything that we could possibly use to learn
about the South American civilizations. A sixteenth century
eye-witness says that there was an emerald idol that was completely
fantastic. Father Benito took this idol and had it ground up,
stirred the powder in water, poured it on the ground and stomped on
it. Cortez was given two circular calendars, one of gold and the
other silver, as big as wagon wheels, with all kinds of hieroglyphs
on them, which he immediately had melted down and cast into ingots.
‘All over Central America, vast repositories of knowledge,
accumulated since ancient times, were painstakingly gathered, heaped
up, and burned by the zealous Catholic missionaries. In July, 1562,
for example, in the main square of Monte, in the Yucatan, Father
Diego de Landa burned thousands of Maya manuscripts, paintings and
hieroglyphs inscribed on rolled up deerskins. He said: ‘We found
great numbers of books written in the characters of the Indians, but
since they contained nothing but superstitions of the Devil, we
burned them all, which the natives took most grievously, and gave
them great pain.’ Hancock says: ‘Not only the natives should have
felt this pain, but anyone and everyone then and now who would like
to know the truth about the past. Diego de Landa participated in
Spain’s Satanic mission to wipe clear the memory banks of Central
America. In the marketplace at Texcoco, they built a vast bonfire of
astronomical documents, paintings, manuscripts, hieroglyphic texts,
which the Conquistadores had forcibly extracted from the Aztecs
during the previous eleven years. As this irreplaceable storehouse
of knowledge and history went up in flames, a chance to shake off
some of the collective amnesia that clouds our understanding was
lost to mankind forever.’ So, having read this sickening description
about ‘Spain’s Satanic Mission’ to destroy the past, I would like to
have a comment on what was motivating the Catholic Church, the
Catholic Missionaries, and Spain itself, since Spain has Spain has
been designated as one of the areas where ‘artefacts’ may be still
found. Could you comment?
A: You should not need commentary, as we have told you much about
the desires of
4th density STS to obscure truth by manipulating 3rd density STS.
Q: Well, yes. But, Lord have Mercy. It just makes a person sick to
think about it... all of this and the Library at Alexandria too! Was
this the kind of stuff that was being done in Europe during the
so-called ‘Dark Ages?’
Q: And that is why the Dark Ages are Dark. The Catholic Church
destroyed everything that did not sharpen their own axe. Now, it
says that this Professor Posnansky of the University of La Paz, and
Professor Rolf Mueller, pushed the date of the building of Macchu
Picchu back to 15,000 BC. Is this a correct date?
Q: Can you tell us when Macchu Picchu was built?
A: 12009 BC.
Q: Close enough. Now, the Nazca lines: there is a spider there that
some people have done some work with and they say this spider figure
is a representation of Orion. Is this, in fact, the case, that this
Nazca Spider is devised as a terrestrial diagram of Orion?
No, but then again, the truth is observable.
When you say this about Orion and the Spider, what do you mean?
A: Find your truths through observation.
What did this spider represent?
A: Symbolic, according to language representing biological beliefs.
Q: It says that, as it happens, it accurately depicts a known spider
genus, one of the rarest in the world, so rare that it is only found
in remote parts of the Amazon rain forest. The representation is
accurate even to the image of the reproductive organ positioned on
the end of it’s right leg. Can you comment on this unusual species
A: Examine visually.
Q: In this other little book: There is a Celtic word that pops up up
in this funny little book, ‘pryf.’ What is pryf?
Q: The book says here that there is a need for someone of a certain
bloodline to come along and ‘free the dragon spawn.’ ‘None other
than she can bring the pryf up from the deep no matter how they may
make the serpents squirm. If she can hold her place in the gates of
time.’ What are they talking about here; bringing up the dragon
spawn, and how does that relate to soul?
A: You cannot see?
Q: It also says that this person with this bloodline, that it is the
duty of this person to create a bridge between man and the gods, to
open the doorways of time. Can you comment on that?
A: These questions have explanations which are readily apparent.
Q: Well, before, when I asked a question, you said that I would get
my answer from the ‘trees.’ This book is all about ‘trees,’ in one
way or another - ancient Druids and so forth. Was that clue given so
that I would notice these things in this particular book even though
it is fiction?
Q: (A) I want to come back to the laboratory which we have failed to
identify. We know that the answer is in a ‘pass in the mountains.’
Still, I am puzzled by the phrase that it is on a magnetic meridian?
I don’t understand because ANY site is on some magnetic meridian
whereever it is. How should I interpret this?
A: First you must superimpose magnetic grid over the earth.
Q: (A) What is the distance between lines of the grid?
A: 200 kilometers, approximately.
Q: (L) What is the prime, or the 0 meridian? Where is it located?
A: In Western Pacific at 90 degrees East Longitude.
[Session ended due to illness of Freddie.]
End of Session
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September 5, 1998
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
Q: And where do you transmit through?
Q: (A) My first question concerns a technical problem I have with my
job. There is a device and the engineer detects vibrations in this
device. I was looking for the reasons for this vibration, looking
through all the software that generates the motion of this motor and
was not able to find the place that was responsible for this
particular vibration. It would be very nice if I could fix this
problem. Perhaps you can give a hint as to where to look for the
reason for this 2.5 hertz frequency?
A: Please, be more specific.
Q: (A) There is cooling machine, and this cooling machine is run by
a linear motor, and this motor is run by a current that is
controlled by a computer. This computer should generate a sinusoid
of 58.6 megahertz. Ken, the engineer, finds that this motor has
another vibration that it should not have, and this vibration cause
problems with the detector. So, the problem is: where is the reason
for this extra vibration?
A: 56.8 megahertz may be improper setting for natural flow as
dictated by the
function of design.
Q: (A) Okay, I will look...
A: But you need more than that... for example, should the setting be
lower? What are your thoughts on this. And why did engineers settle
on that setting?
Q: (A) I don’t know. I will ask.
(L) Should it be set higher or
don’t think that there is any particular reason why they set it at
frequency. They had to do something, and probably it could be set
different frequency. I have to do research. It’s a good point. Okay,
question: we have found this Novosibirtsk group. They apparently
have some kind of detectors and some kinds of ideas according to
this Russian guy Kozyrev, which enable them to measure instantaneous
signals caused by some kind of irreversible events, such as when the
comets hit Jupiter. I would like to know if the effect they have
measured is a real, new effect?
A: Not “new” of course, but this is most interesting, because now we
on the threshold of gravity waves, the very same thing we have been
hinting at for so long, as you measure it in your linear
perspective. The unusual condition that has arisen in Russia has
created a bubble within the framework of the world power structure
which has allowed some concussive “discoveries” to be occasionally
leaked out into the open. This, of course, presents unique but
potentially hazardous opportunities for you in your research.
What is hazardous, the contacting of these people?
A: No. It is the monitoring of your contacting.
Q: (L) Who is doing the monitoring?
Q: (L) Is it third density or fourth density?
A: Both, as usual. In other words, proceed, yes, but tread
Q: (L) Well, you guys are the ones who gave us hints about this. Are
you giving hints about things that will lead us into some dangerous
A: It is dangerous only if handled with innocent or indiscreet zeal.
Q: (L) So, we must keep a low profile, inquire, read, do whatever,
but don’t go running out and telling anybody about it, which you
don’t do anyway...
A: But Laura is another story.
Q: (L) I swear! I will not breathe a word!
A: It matters not to us, we will love you eternally, in any density.
Q: (L) I.E. fifth density!
(A) Now, the problem I found is that
these people have effects, they have this very general idea of
Kozyrev, but apparently they don’t know what kind of mathematical
structure, or geometrical structure is behind this phenomena, what
kind of field is operating.
A: They do not know what you do.
Q: (A) I understand. Which means that I should not let them know
what I know.
A: We suggest you contact them via internet in code. Contact in
words for “gravity” and “wave” separated innocently, or benignly in
a key sentence.
Q: (A) Now, about this Guts. He is in Omsk and he wrote a few papers
on this Kozyrev business and Kaluza-Klein theory, and he seems to be
nice. Any comment about this guy. Should I take care, or is he
A: He is friendly.
Q: (A) Now, I think it was two weeks ago when you first mentioned
this Russian link, that we should look for a Russian, and you
mentioned a name ‘Prokov.’ Prokov doesn’t seem to be a Russian name.
But, I have found Frolov, which is similar to Prokov. He has a page
on the internet and this page is entitle ‘Time Machine.’ He lists
the following as subjects of his private research: chrono-technology,
teleportation, change of rate of time, gravitational chrono-propulsion,
free energy, over-unity, perpetuum mobile, cause-effect correlation,
ether technologies, electro-gravitation, inertial propulsion,
Biffeld-Brown effect, reactionless propulsion, Tesla’s technologies,
N. Kozyreve’s technologies... Who is this guy? Is he a real
researcher, or is he a spy, or both?
A: No, he is not a spy. He is more like a theorist looking for a
place to land.
Q: (A) Can I contact him discreetly?
Q: (A) Now, I have here something from Australia. These people are
about many things including this Kozyrev Time Machine. Also, they
something on what they calle ‘The Amazing Hieronymous Machine.’ (L
27th September, 1949 a very strange patent was granted, by the
Patent Office, to one Dr. Thomas Hieronymous. It was for a device
intended for the detection and analysis of minerals, using a
undiscovered sensing method. The machine uses a sensing detector
made of a coil
of wire, an optical prism which is mounted on a rotating mechanism,
electronic amplifier, and an output device known as a ‘tactile
sensor.’ Sometime in early 1960 when I owned an electronics design
laboratory a regular client wandered in with one of these devices.
He had found instructions on how to build one in a popular science
fiction magazine, and he wanted to see what I thought of it. Well, I
can tell you now, I didn’t think of it. The whole thing was
ridiculous and was an insult to everything I had learned about
electronics. The only problem I had was... it worked!! And it worked
like this: the mineral sample was placed in front of the pickup coil
and the prism rotated mechanically until a signal was detected at
the output. And this is where my belief system was strained to its
limit! The ‘output’ consisted of a flat coil of wire placed beneath
a piece of glass. I was told to rub my finger lightly over the glass
and tune the prism at the same time. At a critical point in the
tuning process the contact between my finger and the glass suddenly
felt ‘tacky’ as if someone had spilt orange juice on it. And this
was the basis for the patent, a new form of detection... the Tactile
Detector. All forms of detection in measuring equipment prior to
this had been by sight or sound. That is, you could watch a
voltmeter mover or you could hear a changing audio tone. but this
new device worked by a ‘change in feel/touch.’ Since then this form
of detection has been widely adopted for use in general ‘radionics’
devices which are used by a number of alternative medicine
practitioners in Australia as a means of determining health
problems. I have seen one of these machines demonstrated by a
skilled operator and the accuracy is better than 90%. If the dial of
a Hieronymous machine is calibrated to a certain mineral, any
similar mineral placed by the pickup coil will produce a ‘response’
at exactly the same portion of the dial. By using advanced
attenuating circuits the metallic ration in alloys can be accurately
determined. Nobody has a clue how or why it works but then again, in
the 19th century, nobody had a clue how electricity or magnetic
fields worked, but plenty of people used these strange ‘new’ effects
to make money. [...] A well known rocket engineer, Harry Stine, who
was employed at the White Sands missile range, New Mexico, built one
of these machines and tried it out on the other scientists and
engineers on the base. He found that 80% could get it to work and
even Dr. Clyde Tombaugh, the astronomer who discovered the planet
Pluto in 1930, found he could make the machine work effectively.
Stine was so dumbfounded with the possibilities that he has since
devoted a fair portion of his life to investigating these and
similar devices.’ (A) I would like to ask why this machine works?
A: Transducer is crystalline in nature. Quartzine polymer collects
radiation through point of even balance.
Q: (A) I have here a catalog of books which I can get from Tesla
Book Company. Some of these books look very interesting. I have an
idea that I really have to order some of these books and study;
especially those that deal with relation to UFT. But there are
hundreds of books!
(L) Use a pendulum.
(A) What if pendulum shows a
A: Why not dowse, silly!
Q: (A) I am silly?
A: No, we were just having fun.
Q: (A) Okay, so I am supposed to dowse. Now we are together, we want
to know about this meridian because we are confused.
A: Nikolai is the first name. Igorivich is middle name. Padritsyn,
Padritzhin is last name.
Q: (A) Okay, so that’s the person to look for. Okay, now this brown
star business. We would like to have some more data to be able to do
a computer simulation. This one more piece of information would be,
for instance, WHEN this solar companion was last here?
A: We have been a little evasive about this, because perhaps you
would be better
served at this juncture by understanding more about the “Whats”
rather than the “Whens.”
Q: (F) What’s wrong?
(L) I am having a terrible stomach ache.
Now you? I hate to think what will happen to Ark next week! [Freddie
had to leave early the previous week due to a gallbladder attack.]
(L) What is causing my intense tummy ache?
A: Contractions of a ductal nature.
Q: (A) Are you talking about my pancreas?
Q: (L) My gallbladder?
A: Not as close.
Q: (L) So, it is because of the grapes I ate, the insulin and all
A: When you induce “sleep” or your pancreas, naturally, when you
wake it up, it
yawns and stretches and stumbles a bit before gaining balance, just
as do you.
Q: (L) Well, it is certainly miserable. It is too low and
centered to be gallbladder. It’s insulin.
(F) Has your pancreas been
(L) Well, yes. I haven’t had carbos in so long...
(A) No more grapes!
A: It may not be wise to become too aggressive about avoiding
Q: (L) I have determined that I am insulin resistant which then
becomes hyperinsulinism, which then causes every single thing I eat
to turn to fat. So, what is the solution?
A: That is more complicated than what you have read so far, but your
is the key.
Q: (L) Anything else I should know on this to avoid any future
A: There is more, but remember it is a mosaic.
Q: (L) Okay. Let’s take a short break.
Q: (L) Having done my homework on supernovas to some extent, and
having discovered that either supergiant red stars are in the
process of going supernova, or supergiant blue stars are getting
ready to be ready to go supernova, as well as eruptions of massive
interstellar clouds, I note that Betelgeuse, in the right shoulder
of Orion, is a red supergiant, and Rigel, in the foot of Orion, is a
blue supergiant, both of which could go supernova. Am I going in the
A: You have begun to trek down the right path.
Q: (L) We noticed that the supernova that occurred in Cassiopaea 300
years ago did not seem to have been widely noticed by people on
earth. What is the reason for this?
Q: (L) Now, formerly I asked about the ‘two new stars in Cygnus and
Serpentarius’ that were written about in the Rosicrucian Manifesto
of about this period of time, and you said they were talking about
‘novae.’ But, it seems that there are no new stars in either of
these constellations. Yet, at approximately this time, was the
supernova in Cassiopaea.
A: Yes, those with foreknowledge were looking.
Q: (L) Also, there was a supernova that became the Crab Nebula,
which occurred 5,000 years ago, yet was not seen on earth, which was
900 years ago, which happens to be exactly the time period I have
been looking at as having been a turning point where seeds were
planted that are now bearing fruit. Can you tell us if this
supernova that was seen 900 years ago, were there effects from the
Supernova that contributed to this state of affairs at the
culmination of the Dark Ages, the creation of the Templars and so
forth. What were the effects of this supernova that was seen 900
A: Excitation of base liquid molecules.
Q: (L) Did this have a physiological effect, or genetic, DNA effect
Q: (L) What were the pronounced effects that one would have been
able to note.
That is microscopic...
Q: (L) Growth in what sense? Growth and change in the size of
Q: (L) Growth in a psychological or mental sense?
Q: (L) What kind of growth specifically?
Q: (L) At the time of that particular supernova, 5,000 years ago,
were there any superluminal effects that were felt instantly?
A: Maybe, research and correlate.
Q: (L) Was the Great Pyramid at Giza built and lined up to
A: Part of the picture.
Q: (L) Were these supernova that occurred at the time of the
construction, or that were expected to occur at some point in the
Q: (L) Are supernova in any sense cyclical?
A: In a sense requiring higher senses.
(L) Do supernova create portals to other universes?
The doors may be redirected.
Q: (L) Does any of this supernova business have anything to do with
the constellation Leo?
A: In a way.
Q: (L) In what way?
A: Through geometric configuration.
Q: (L) What do you mean ‘through geometric configuration?’
A: Status of Trine.
Q: (L) You mentioned the importance of the Horsehead Nebula in
relation to the symbol of the Knight. What is the significance of
the Horsehead Nebula?
A: Keep up your search, as you are near.
Q: (L) What would be the effect of cosmic rays emitted by a
supernova that is in some proximity to the earth on the human body?
A: Genetic splice of strand.
Q: (L) How close would a supernova have to be to have this effect?
A: 2000 light years.
Q: (L) So that either of these stars in Orion that are potential
supernova prospects could have this effect since they are
approximately 1500 light years away?
(A) Are we talking about effects that propagate with the speed of
light, or effects that are superluminal and instantaneous?
Both, and slower as well.
Q: (L) What would be the effect that would be instantaneous?
Q: (A) Now this supernova that is supposed to explode soon, will it
be soon in the sense of our SEEING it, that is the arrival of the
light from this, or soon in the instantaneous sense?
Q: (L) So, this supernova must have already occurred?
Q: (L) And where did this supernova take place?
A: No dice, baby!
Q: (L) What clue can I follow to determine which star it is?
Q: (A) But, if it already occurred, then this means that the
instantaneous effects have already been felt, even if it was lesser
than the optical effects. It must have been recorded by anomalous
changes in genes?
(L) Is that true?
Q: (L) So what, in the records, should we be looking for?
A: Sign of struggle out of sequence with pre-ordained activities of
Q: (L) In other words, the usurpation of the blood lines?
Q: (L) What is aphelion of the companion star of our solar system?
A: Not yet, as you need more understanding of those cycles that you
allude to. And on that note, good night.
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September 12, 1998
Freddie, Ark, Laura, Chloe, Tom
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
Q: And where do you transmit through?
Q: Do you have any remarks on our wedding today?
A: It was a grand affair.
Q: (L) It wasn’t so grand.
(C) Depending on what you consider grand!
(L) Well, thank you very much. I assume that you guys were present?
A: No, we were at Wal-Mart!
Q: (L) We got a live one tonight! Alright, what was the Blue Light
A: That is at K-Mart.
Q: (L) Sorry. Alright, on with the questions. On the subject of
supernovas; I have discovered that three of the supernovas of
antiquity which have be discovered and time estimated by the
remnants, if they were not observed, occurred in or near Cassiopeia
at very interesting points in history.
Q: (L) Well, one of these periods in history was around 1054. This
is a very interesting time. It just so happens that there are no
European records of this supernova which was recorded by the
Chinese, Japanese, and perhaps even the Koreans. Yet, there are no
European records. What happened to the European records?
Europe was in a “recovery mode” at the “time.”
(L) Recovery from what?
A: Loss of civilized structure due to overhead cometary explosion in
Q: (C) There were certain historical facts you picked up, so that
doesn’t make sense to me.
(L) On the other hand it might, because
there is some stuff from Gregory of Tours that is real bizarre. What
effect did this have on the civilized structure? Was it a direct
effect in terms of material, or did it have effects on people
causing them to behave in an uncivilized and barbaric way?
Well, the burning fragmentary shower ignited much of the land
areas in what
you now refer to as Western Europe. This had the results you can
imagine, causing the resulting societal breakdown you now refer to
as “The Dark Ages.”
Q: (L) Well, it damn sure was dark. There is
almost a thousand years that nobody knows anything about!
Check Irish or Celtic, and French or Gallic records of the era
There were temporary “islands of survival,” lasting just long enough
for the written word to eke out.
Q: (L) Okay, when reading about the Great Nebula in Orion, there is
a kite shaped area adjacent to the Horsehead Nebula. I wondered if
there was any relation between this and your previous mention of
kites. Are we looking at something in that particular area of the
sky that is going to go supernova?
A: For supernova, look to the “foot.”
Q: (L) Rigel.
(L) Is the binary system in the eye of the Gorgon in the
constellation Perseus, which is a star named Algol, one which
contains a star and a black hole?
A: Quasars determine these.
Q: (L) I once asked you if Isabel the Fair and Roger de Mortimer had
while in France and you replied, ‘no.’ I have recently been
period and it seems that, during the year in question, they were
residence in the Tower of London... he as a prisoner, and she was
recovering from the birth of her fourth and last child. She was in
for over a year and declined her husband’s invitations to move to
any of their
other residences. In fact, I don’t think they even saw each other
for over a year. Now, I am wondering if a child was born as a result
of their interactions while in the Tower?
A: That could be the case, if you research tryst
Q: (L) Well, it just happens to be that this was 1325, the year of
the birth of my mysterious ‘Knyght’ ancestor.
(C) I would like to ask
a question. Immediately after, or shortly after, the death
experience, do people tend to experience that which they have been
led by their beliefs to expect?
A: Essentially, yes, but some people do not know, or presuppose
this. Therefore, for these souls, the experience is “purer.”
What is the purer experience? What do they experience when they have
A: What have you heard about this?
Q: (C) A tunnel of light... a tunnel, a bright light, a loving being,
A: Wait... what about seeing one’s “body?”
Q: (C) Okay, the first thing would be drifting above and seeing the
body, and then seeing a tunnel and the light.
A: Yes, but there is not always a “loving being” awaiting. That is
part of the
Q: (C) What was Tommy’s experience?
A: Well, we must caution you that for those who presume
“nothingness,” there is
usually a transitory period of total unconsciousness for preparatory
and readjustment to 5th density purposes.
Q: (C) So, if you don’t presuppose something, then you are just
(L) Or, if you presuppose nothingness, then...
but that really surprises me because he had his own faith, but he
did have a certain amount of faith. But...
A: Subject was unconscious prior to transition.
Q: (C) Oh, I see. That is what I thought. The doctor thinks he had an arrythmia and his blood pressure dropped so low he passed out. Okay,
what happens when a person has gone through what they have
presupposed and experienced that, and are ready to go on to what
really happens, THEN what happens?
A: Dreamlike state gradually merges with reality.
Q: (C) And what is the reality?
A: Entrance into 5th density.
Q: (C) What is that like?
A: Well, what do you think it is like, my dear?
Q: (C) Well if I say what I think it is like, then I am presupposing.
A: No, not necessarily.
Q: (L) When you are in 5th density, are you merged with your various
soul essences so that you can perceive all of your extensions into
other realities at different points in ‘space-time,’ and are you
A: That would be quite a kick in the butt, do you not think?
Q: (L) In what sense? You once said that when you are in 5th density
that you are in a condition of ‘timeless understanding.’
Q: (L) And that you see and perceive in this timeless understanding
condition, like a state of pure consciousness. Is that so?
Q: (L) Do you feel happiness, do you feel... well, I guess feel is
the wrong term because you don’t have anything to feel with...
A: Full range of emotional responses in profound clarity.
Q: (L) Would one say that being at 5th density was a pleasant
experience, or just an intense one?
A: Intense, but not as you would imagine this.
Q: (C) I assume that it is intense without the negative aspects, that
it would be good...
A: No. Negativity, yes that is there, but there is not the
underlying fear of
physiological damage that one perceives in third density due to
genetic body response through hormonal brain swarms.
(C) Okay, so what does one do in everyday life once one has become
adjusted to 5th density?
A: “Everyday life” does not apply.
Q: (C) Take it as a term.
(L) In other words, what does one do in 5th
(C) Yeah, what is one’s activity?
A: Consider it a sort of timeless pondering learning.
Q: (C) Do different people learn different things?
A: Of course, according to one’s karmic resonance profile.
Q: (C) What is the mechanism of learning?
Natural attractive growth balance.
Q: (L) I guess it is just a finding of balance.
(C) So, it is not a
mental learning that we do here, but a sort of consciousness
absorbing. Kind of like what we would like to do here, sleep on a
book and absorb it?
(L) Is that a good analogy?
Q: (L) Help us out here. I liked it!
Well, Laura, picture a 5 dimensional screen.
(L) I can’t. I can’t picture anything 5 dimensional.
Okay, then now you know what we are up against in the explanatory
Q: (C) But it is a sort of automatic transmission?
(L) Or automatic
A: The interesting thing is the timelessness. This is why very
“departed” souls are often “seen” by their loved ones, imparting
incredible knowledge. There have even been cases where two souls
were involved in 3rd density traumas together, and one instructs the
other to go back, as it “is not your time yet.”
(C) So, that is how that one would know to tell the other, the
timelessness factor, it was their ‘time’ and they got it
immediately, so it would seem that for some people it is an
instantaneous transition to 5th density. What determines a person’s
ability to cross into 5th density and assimilate the new state
Q: (C) It is a difficult question.
A: Re-ask please.
Q: (C) I am trying to re-form my question.
(L) When such a case
occurs, what distinguishes the one who is able to say ‘go back, it’s
not your time’ ...
A: Chloe ask.
Q: (L) Sorry, I’ll shut up.
(C) We have discussed the people who have
presuppositions and who have played out the experiences they expect.
What mind-set, or what presupposition should a person have to adapt
most quickly and easily to the reality of 5th density?
A: Well, that is in itself a presupposition. But, let us just say an
open-minded researcher would do best. But all do well ultimately.
Q: (L) When Sandra had her cardiac arrest. It was 20 minutes before
paramedics got there, so she was brain dead even when they revived
her and put
her on life support. I was at the hospital talking to her and trying
her back. I gave her Reiki and everything. So, we decided to ask if
communicate with her and the C’s said they would have to step aside
for us to
talk to her. We talked to her, and it was a very convincing
at the time we were talking to her, she said something about a radio
news in New Zealand and that we would hear soon and something about
‘don’t hurt the young girl!’ She told me several things that
convinced me that it was really
her that we were communicating with, even though her body was still
alive down at the hospital on total life support. I asked her if she
to come back and she said no. I asked her why, and she said that she
too much fun and when was the last time I remembered her to have
fun, which was
the truth. I asked her what it was like there. She told me that it
was like a
school. I asked what she was learning and she said that there was no
explain and she could not tell me, but that we are in a certain
class when we
are in the body and a different one when out. As it turned out, we
next day about the lunatic in New Zealand who was shooting up all
in Christchurch, and it was happening at the exact time that we were
with her and this was her reference to someone hurting a little
girl. As I understand it, there was a little girl hiding behind a
tree. So, she could SEE this business going on in New Zealand at the
same time she was talking to us. She exclaimed about it even. It was
a bizarre little conversation.
(C) So, already she was there.
(F) And she did say ‘I’m not coming back.’ (L) Yup. She said
‘no way!’ She said things that were so characteristic of her mode of
expression that it was like when we were conversing with Keith just
after he died and I was completely convinced it was him because of
the way he was playing with words in the same way he did when alive.
He loved puns and he was using them right and left.
(C) Okay, we have
done the ouija board a couple of times in NC and have asked to speak
to Tommy and got some information. Were we, indeed, speaking to
Tommy at that time?
A: You know when you are.
(L) I guess you would KNOW if you had and would not have to ask
(C) Well, it sounded like him. Can we talk to him now?
Q: (C) Why not?
A: He does not occupy the necessary level at your confluence. You
see, one on
5th density must shift contemplation frequency to communicate with
3rd density, even through a medium such as this. Best results are
achieved when the souls are recently “departed,” as then you are
most likely to play a big part in the contemplation process. This is
because of the intensity of frequency modulation coming from those
Q: (C) Okay, that makes sense.
(L) It does?
(C) Well, when the soul has
just passed over they are closer to their third density mentality
and frequency, and it is easier for them.
(L) And it is better not
to bother them after because you don’t want to hold them at that
(C) Right! And, I guess that the intensity of the frequency
modulation comes from the person who is drawing them. I told him to
go and not hang around.
(L) Yeah, you don’t want them to hang
(C) Okay, I guess that is pretty much my questions.
I want to ask about the nature of this communication that these
Russian scientists were observing. What is the nature of it. Is it
really instantaneous, or is it just very fast?
A: What is gravity really, Arkadiusz?
Q: (A) It is a kind of a structure which structures space and time.
A: Close, but no cigar.
Q: (L) That is a little touchy thing to say right now guys!
A: We are timeless, so therefore, timely as well!! Gravity is the
all material existence. Therefore, gravity waves are of
instantaneous imprint, as they rule all time in extant by nature.
Q: (A) But I am confused because if gravity waves are instantaneous,
then how come we are waiting for a gravity wave that is coming...
A: The instantaneous nature of it is that which is perceived if one
necessary equipment. After all, you know by now that gravity has the
feature of “bending” time, space, light, etc.
Q: (A) So the wave that is supposed to come is NOT instantaneous.
(L) Are you talking about The Wave?
(A) The Wave.
(L) I don’t think
they ever said it was a gravity wave.
A: Correct Laura.
Q: (L) If I remember correctly, they said it was a wave of
Q: (L) What does hyperkinetic sensate mean?
A: Your being merging with hyperspatial energy.
Q: (L) Cool!
A: Matter/antimatter. One features atomic particle based matter, the
features pure energy in conscious form. Gravity is the balancing
binder of it all.
Q: (C) I have always seen energy as atomic.
A: That is material energy.
Q: (A) I want to go back to this Russian experiment. I asked what
nature of the effect that they observed, and the answer was that it
was a gravity wave that they expected. And it was the result of
impact of a comet on Jupiter. Now what was so particular about this
impact? Does every impact create a gravity wave?
A: There was nothing so particular about that, except that their
was trained on the event.
Q: (A) Does it mean that every impact creates a gravity wave?
A: Every outburst of energy.
Q: (C) Creates a gravity wave?
Q: (L) Where does energy burst out of?
Q: (L) Collision between what and what?
(C) Physical bodies?
A: And/or atomic particles. Remember your microdynamic/macrodynamic
Laura was approaching the concept in the “Noah Syndrome.”
Approaching doesn’t get you there! So, when there is an approach
between bodies, there is an interaction or exchange, and this
exchange produces a gravity wave?
A: What happens when you strike two rocks together?
Q: (L) There is a vibration. A jarring. Depending on the rocks, one
may crush the other. There is heat. There can be sparks, depending
on the rocks.
(C) You tear off, or knock off some particles.
A: Hmmm... magnetization... hmmm...
Q: (C) We’re making them think!
(L) Sure we are.
(A) Well, when you
are striking rocks together, some atoms come pretty close one to
another and they try to interpenetrate and probably...
(C) Well, does
it produce a gravity wave? Sounds like a collision to me. They said
Q: (C) Are they saying that if you put two small objects together, to
produce gravity, or that you have to have a supercollider?
if you put them in a supercollider and they impact, are you creating
a gravity wave, even a small one? Or are you creating gravity when
the sparks fly?
A: We would suggest you munch a little on the food for thought.
Q: (A) Okay, they don’t want to continue this problem.
(L) In the
middle of the night the other night as I was going to sleep, I
thought of something that you guys once said about the Denver
airport, TDARM, that both sides can use airports and that the
meaning was ‘much, much deeper than that.’ It made me think of what
you had said before about planets and stars being windows or
doorways. Is it possible that there are points in deep recesses or
underground places of our planet where one can enter a portal and
emerge through a portal on another planet or system. Are the centers
of planets and stars the emergences of wormholes or something?
A: If utilized as such.
Q: (C) So it would have to be intentional. Is anyone utilizing them as
Q: (A) What is so particular about the center of a planet as opposed
to the center of a snowball. Both are balls, one is just a little
bit larger than the other. A planet is a big ball, a snowball is a
A: Have you ever tried to melt a planet in your hand?
Q: (A) No, because a planet is a little bit bigger than my hand.
What is so particular about a planet. It is just a piece of matter
like a snowball is a piece of matter.
A: Magnetic field gravity profile.
Q: (L) What is the magnetic field gravity profile?
A: Intensity and... here comes that word... density.
Q: (L) Well, off to the side, just what IS at the core of our
A: Fluid crystalline gas core.
Q: (L) And what is this fluid crystalline gas core composed of?
A: Methane and ammonia.
Q: (L) How does methane and ammonia be crystalline?
A: They can be under the correct magnetic conductivity.
Q: (C) Can the condition found at the core be duplicated on the
surface of the planet?
Q: (C) So you couldn’t achieve the proper magnetic conductivity?
Q: (L) What is so particular about methane and ammonia that it
composes the core?
A: Methane binds to the ammonium crystals.
Q: (L) Well, that’s the bizarrest thing I ever heard!
Q: (L) Well, it’s right up there in the top ten!
(C) Was that the
beginning of the formation of the earth when the methane bound to
the ammonium crystals?
Q: (L) Well, how did it get there?
A: Methane collected at the core after cooling. Buoyancy is
gravitational profile. This is why Jupiter and Saturn, for example,
both of which are less dense than the Earth, but have immensely
stronger gravitational fields, have atmospheres consisting of
ammonia as the dominant gas.
Q: (C) There are a lot of different facts
there and there must be a conclusion to be drawn from these facts.
(L) How does this very strange core in the earth relate to gravity
A: Well, the wave is an integral factor of the excitation of the
Q: (L) Are you saying that excitation of these substances produce
A: Excitation of the environment produces a wave of the foundational
Q: (L) What is the foundational entity of the environment of this
A: Same as all others.
Q: (L) Well, you have led us in a huge circle here!
Q: (A) I have a problem with this Saturn and Jupiter. If they are
less dense, but have stronger gravitational fields. According to
what I know their gravitational field is stronger because they are
bigger. So, even though they are less dense, they have more mass and
their gravitational field is stronger. And that is all.
Yes this is true.
Q: (A) So, what does this have to do with it?
(T) Does the methane
have anything to do with it?
Q: (L) What about the buoyancy?
A: Wait a moment. Arkadiusz must be unconfused before we can
Q: (A) Well, they said that this is true what I said...
A: How does what we said conflict with what you said?
Q: (T) They didn’t say anything about size.
(A) What they say, if
they are really gasses then the planet must be bigger, but they say
it has a stronger gravity field because of that.
A: No, no, no. We did not say it has a stronger gravity field
because of that.
Q: (C) Okay, buoyancy. I guess that if we were to walk on Jupiter or
Saturn we would be more or less buoyant than on the Earth?
wait a minute. We were asking about this core, and we were curious
as to how this methane could be at the core because we perceive
methane as being ‘fluffy,’ or buoyant...
(C) But it bound to the
(L) And they said that buoyancy was determined
by gravitational profile. Jupiter and Saturn have atmospheres
consisting of ammonia as the dominant gas because buoyancy is
determined by gravitational profile.
(C) What does buoyancy have to do
with the binding of methane and ammonia or with the gravitational
(L) That is HUGELY confusing!
(C) Well, we are getting a lot
of facts here and we are not putting them together right.
is the gravitational profile of Jupiter or Saturn, for example, as
contrasted to the gravitational profile of the Earth?
A: They are much stronger gravitationally.
Q: (L) Is this gravitational profile of Jupiter and Saturn related
in a direct way to the ammonia?
Q: (C) Why didn’t their ammonia bind with the methane and sink to the
A: Because density affects buoyancy.
(L) The bounce of what?
A: The gases.
(L) Why are they less dense?
A: Because of their size juxtaposed with their environment relative
distance from Sol.
Q: (L) Why did the impact of the comet Shoemacher-Levy, in this
ammonia environment produce these effects that were measured on
these instruments by these Russian scientists?
A: Ponder based upon what we have given you. Now refer to your
regarding microdynamic atomic physics.
Q: (A) I want to ask about this macrodynamics. In microdynamics we
have Planck’s constant and it is very small, and this is why we have
quantum jumps and quantum events in microdynamics. But there is this
concept of macrodynamics, perhaps we have probability waves and
quantum jumps on a macro scale. This is something which we don’t
Q: (L) I don’t like the sound of that!
(A) So there is something
like Planck’s Constant but much bigger that converts on a macro
A: Something like that. And if this is food for thought, you have
presented with a veritable feast tonight, so, good-bye.
End of Session
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September 19, 1998
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
Q: And where do you transmit through?
Q: I have several things from the little mail list that I would like
to get to first because I think they may go fairly quick. The first
is this book called “Trance Formation of America; The true life
story of a CIA slave” by Cathy O’Brien with Mark Phillips. There is
a rather lengthy quote from this book here that we have all read. I
certainly am not going to read it out loud because I don’t want to
have to type such a thing myself, so I won’t read it, but I am sure
you are aware of what it says. What I would like to know is: what is
the motivation behind the authors of this book?
Q: Disruption of what?
A: Anyone disruptable.
Q: It specifically seems to be aimed at the Clintons or the power
structure. Are any of these descriptions of the behaviors of Hillary
and Bill Clinton as explicated in this extract anywhere near close
A: Anywhere near? Well maybe, but not as described.
Q: Is there such a thing as this girl describes? These CIA slaves
that are sexually mutilated and programmed with this mind control
programming that she has described?
A: Any such experiment would be handled by the cellular structure of
pseudogovernmental satellite, not normally by CIA.
Q: So, what you seem to be implying is that what is described here
IS taking place?
A: To an extent, but the story as related is fictional.
Q: Are the Clintons as depraved as she presents them?
A: No, but recreational drug use may have occurred. However, we
suggest you not
Q: Okay, enough on that. Here is a note from Mike C-T. He writes:
“Laura, I was very dismayed to read your post on Diet and Nutrition
on the Web Page. The C’s are saying that Love is enough and that sex
is a pure physical craving and that orgasm energy feeds the 4th D
STS buggers. Then, they go on to say that you should smoke, and
consume x mg of nicotine, because you need it. Those 2 ideas seem
contrary to me, since smoking is also a ‘physical craving.’ Yes,
people gain weight after they quit smoking, but the metabolism does
settle down after a year or so. Are you sure of the source of this
message? Could STSers be getting through and are getting you and
others to try to kill yourself slowly? Covering ones lungs with ash
cannot be good for you, regardless of what the ash is made of. Even
wood smoke causes breathing disorders. I felt sick when I read that
part. It didn’t fit into my world view of the C’s.” Signed, Mike.
Could you comment on his remarks?
A: We did not suggest that smoking was advisable per se, the
response was in
regard to a personal inquiry about difficulty in achieving weight
loss on the part of Laura. And, we did not say that this was a
Q: Well, you DID say that it enhances resistance
to disease and that it did other beneficial things.
A: Yes, but, it is best accomplished with pure tobacco products, not
corrupted variety available on the mass market.
Q: Well, what about the sex issue?
A: Specifics, please.
Q: He says that the two ideas seem contrary...
A: How so?
Q: I guess his idea is that is if you are going to give up sex, you
ought to also give up smoking because they are both physical
cravings. Or, that if smoking is okay, then sex ought to also be
okay. I am not altogether clear on the perspective. I did write back
that my understanding was that it is not sex, per se, that was bad,
but rather the drive for self gratification that was feeding STS.
Q: He then says: ‘Are you sure of the source of this message. Could
STS be getting through and getting you and others to try and kill
A: No, and besides, “killing of one’s self slowly,” is occurring
triggered by one’s self or not.
Q: He says: ‘Covering one’s lungs with ash cannot be good for you,
regardless of what the ash is made of.’
A: Noncorrupted tobacco product does not have that effect.
Q: I also mentioned the fact that this professor of Hematology in
Gainesville told me that the only thing they know of, aside from
some pathological process, that increases the red blood cell count,
thereby the hemoglobin, and thus the iron content of the blood and
brain, is smoking tobacco.
Q: It was my assessment from this information, coupled with all the
work done on tracking this ‘blood issue’ that is so dominant in the
‘Grail quest’ and the ancient literature, that increasing the red
blood cell count was a VERY desirable thing to do to enhance one’s
ability to transit densities with ease. Is that a correct idea?
A: Yes and makes one more resistant to microbial infection.
Q: (A) Where can one find non-corrupted tobacco products?
A: Tobacco shop.
Q: So, I guess I have to roll my own!
A: Machine can be purchased which does this.
Q: He said: ‘I felt sick when I read that.’ I can identify with this
feeling because there are a number of things I have learned in this
process that has had the same effect on me. But, I have also learned
that when this happens, it is only my resistance that causes this
suffering. Can you comment?
A: Emotions cause views.
Q: (A) I was also brainwashed in this way and I am changing.
are ALL brainwashed!
(L) Okay, now Eddie says: ‘Laura brought up
several comments about Love that confused me. I do not understand
how could giving love when not being asked could harm instead of
improve.’ Can you remark on this?
A: “Giving” love is not giving, in such a case.
Q: So, if you give love when you have not been asked, you are NOT
A: You are taking, as usual.
Q: When you say you are ‘taking,’ what are you taking?
A: Energy, a la STS.
Q: How does it come that you are taking energy from someone by
giving them love when not asked?
A: Because an STS vehicle does not learn to be an STO candidate by
the needs of another.
Q: I don’t understand how that means you are taking energy?
A: Because the act is then one of self-gratification. If one “gives”
there is no request, therefore no need, this is a free will
violation! And besides, what other motivation could there possibly
be in such a scenario?!? Think carefully and objectively about this.
Q: My thought would be that, in such a scenario, that if one gives
love to someone who has not asked or requested, that it seems to be
a desire to change the other, i.e. a desire to control.
You got it!!
Q: Now he says further: ‘Yes, everything is lessons and if a person
has chosen a specific path they should be allowed to go and learn
their way. But, let’s say this is happening to someone you really
love. And let’s say that the person may be in a period of his life
that his/her thoughts are probably taking her/him to commit, let’s
say, a murder. Don’t you think that if you send this person love,
even unconsciously, that it may provide the necessary energy
(influence) to stop that murder?’ Comment please.
A: No, no, no!!! In fact, if anything, such an energy transference
enhance the effect.
Q: In what way?
A: Imbalanced waves could be drawn upon by the receiver.
Q: I think that this word he used is a clue: ‘Don’t you think that
if you send the person love, it could provide the person the
necessary energy’ and in parentheses he has the word ‘influence’
which implies control of the other person’s behavior, to ‘stop that
murder.’ So, it seems that there is a desire to control the actions
of another person.
Q: But, his intent is entirely benevolent because he wants to stop a
murder which is the saving of a life, as well as prevent the loved
one from going to prison. So, it SEEMS to be benevolent in intent.
Does this not make a difference?
A: Have we forgotten about Karma?
Q: Well, both Sylvia and I mentioned the fact that one cannot always
judge these situations because we don’t know. We cannot know. For
all we know the potential murder victim is an Adolf Hitler type or
the potential parent of one, or something like that, and then the
murder would save many lives with the sacrifice of two lives, or
that this murder is supposed to happen because of some karmic
interaction that is essential between the murderer and victim, and
that we simply cannot KNOW these things and judge them.
Q: Any other comment about that?
Q: He says: ‘I believe that if we do not send love energy to the
world that the egocentric STS energy will be dominating.
Why would one choose to send this? What is the motivation?
Q: To change it to your idea of what it is supposed to be. To
control it to follow your judgment of how things ought to be.
A: Exactly. The students are not expected to be the architects of
Q: So, when you seek to impose or exert influence of any kind, you
effect, trying to play God and taking it upon yourself to decide
that there is something wrong with the universe that it is up to you
to fix, which amounts to judgment.
A: Yes, you see, one can advise, that is okay, but do not attempt to
Q: He also says: ‘I believe that an enlightened being is emanating
love where ever that person is, and this is even without being
asked. It just happens because that is what they are - love.’
A: An enlightened being is not love. And a refrigerator is not a
Q: What?! Talk about your mixed metaphors! I don’t get that one!
A: Why not?
Q: They are completely unrelated!
Q: What IS an enlightened being?
A: An enlightened being.
Q: What is the criteria for being an enlightened being?
A: Being enlightened!
Q: When one is enlightened, what is the profile?
A: This is going nowhere because you are doing the proverbial round
Q: What I am trying to get to is an understanding of an enlightened
being. Eddie and a LOT of other people have the idea that an
enlightened being IS LOVE, and that is what they radiate, and that
this is a result of being enlightened.
A: No, no, no, no, no. “Enlightened” does not mean good. Just smart.
Q: Okay, so there are STS and STO enlightened beings?
A: Yes, we believe the overall ratio is 50/50.
Q: Okay, what is the profile of an enlightened STO being?
A: An intelligent being who only gives.
Well, since we have dealt with the idea of not giving love to
those who don’t ask, what do they give and to whom do they give it?
A: All; to those who ask.
Q: He says: ‘As you can see, I believe in the power of love. I am
open to try to understand that which I have not yet been able to.
Perhaps that is why I am here with you guys. So, could we talk more
about this subject? Could provide more of what the C’s have said
about Love?’ I collected the excerpts from the text about love and
how you had said that Knowledge was love and light was knowledge and
all that. Anything further you can add to that?
A: No, because the receiver to this does not wish to receive.
Q: Okay. Sylvia responded: ‘Eddie thank you for your pointing out
the paradox of the concept of the expression of love between the C’s
and that as some of us think we know, but KNOW what we experience. I
feel that it may be very difficult for the C’s to deliver adequate
understanding into our 3rd density or dimension. [...] My view of
the paradox is thus: If one emanates love as a natural course to the
Universe it is not consciously limited or directed - at least I, for
one, cannot do this; that simply is the way some of us are a lot of
the ‘time.’ To eliminate groups or individuals, is beyond my
comprehension to constantly define since a lot of this is done
unconsciously anyway; and it certainly would compromise my
experience of sending love. Unless one is Bodhisattva, love is
probably only directed with greater intensity when focused toward an
individual; how is one to know whether the intended recipient is not
ready/able to receive?’ [...] And ‘receive,’ I think is a clue: the
intended recipient can either remain oblivious or ward off the love
energy - free agency.
Q: If it IS ‘love energy’ is it subsequently corrupted by STS?
Q: She then says: ‘If one directs love very specifically toward an
individual it can be directed freely, judgementally,
subjectively..... One challenge is to direct love freely...’
Q: ‘Giving love to the Universe may be the best way generally, but
if one does
focus toward a loved one and it CAN be effective, could the general
JUST as effective?’
A: The universe is about balance. Nuff said!
Q: Next, in regard to this not giving of love when not asked, she
says: ‘That does not mesh with networking to spread KNOWLEDGE among
those who care and love. THAT is directed...’
Q: Well, I DID point out that the only reason we have even gotten
anything is because we asked for a LONG time, repeatedly and
A: The bottom line is this: You are occupying 3rd density. You are
STS. You can be an STO candidate, but you are NOT STO until you are
on 4th density. You will NEVER grasp the meaning of these attempted
conceptualizations until you are at 4th and above.
Q: She also says: ‘And there are soulless ones.’ Is this true?
Q: I think that what she means by this is that there are those who
are STS in their very essence and many people judge this to be a
‘soulless’ condition, I believe.
A: But STS is not “soulless.”
Q: Sylvia also asks: ‘May there be a time when one is faced with
choosing between the lesser of 2 karmas?’
A: No, because karma dictates its own existence.
Q: What do you mean by that?
A: There is no fork in the road, because there is no linear time.
That is an
illusion and, when you graduate, you will know this.
Okay, she further says regarding the C’s views on sex: ‘Their
view implies very strongly that Humans are conceived in sin after
all. That does not mesh with an unvengeful, benevolent Geometry of
Divinity, for me.
A: No, sex is not sin. Neither is food. It is simply physiological.
what we told you about variable physicality?
Q: Yes, that 4th density is the level of variability of physicality.
Apparently, from what I can understand, when one is in that state,
one finds that under most circumstances one would choose the state
of pure consciousness rather than the physical, because there would
be greater freedom in that state, and therefore, if one is choosing
consciously to be in the non-physical state, one would be also
choosing to not have sex or eat.
Her other statement is: ‘The C’s have stated that they are a
continuance of the Pleiadians. The Pleiadean view on sex, to be
freely expressed, appears in direct opposition.’
A: Well, this is a jumbling of concepts. But just to tackle one of
is to say that the representations of Pleiadian concepts are really
Q: One of here final remarks is: ‘I ponder some on just
how to ‘study the trees.’ Can you comment?
A: Study them as you wish. It is all lessons.
Q: This is just a side comment, as much as I was hoping that the
group effort would increase understanding via discussion, I am
afraid that this will not be the case.
A: No need to hope. Those who will understand, will understand.
Q: Alright. Let me read this from the Kozyrev book: ‘Kozyrev
imagined time as a mighty flow embracing all the material processes
in the universe, and all the processes taking place in these systems
were sources feeding that flow. He writes about the intensity, or
density of the time flow, the energy it carries, its emission and
absorption; the rectilinearity of its propagation, its reflection
from obstacles and absorption by matter. Kozyrev said: Time flows
into a system through a cause to an effect. There is an impression
that time is pulled inside by a cause and gets denser at the
location of an effect. In every process of nature, time can be
formed or spent. Therefore, it appears to be reasonable to identify
Kozyrev’s flow with some substantial flow whose source is, by
Kozyrev, an irreversible, out-of-equilibrium process.’ In terms of
his remarks about time, how close to an accurate understanding did
he come when making these comments?
Then he also says here: ‘Kozyrev pointed out the sharp
contradictions between the second law of thermodynamics which brings
nearer the thermal death of the universe, and the absence of any
signs of equilibrium in the observed diversity of the universe. He
stressed that the attempts to explain the absence of thermal death
have been quite apart from the real universe observed by
astronomers. The point is that the celestial bodies and their
systems are so isolated from each other, that their thermal death
MUST have occurred much sooner than any external system could
interfere. Therefore, degraded states of systems ought to dominate,
whereas they are almost NEVER met. The question is: why celestial
systems continue to live despite the theorized short relaxation
times.’ Then he says: ‘The problem with surmounting the thermal
death of the world is most closely connected with the origin of
solar and stellar radiation. It is of interest that such a concrete
question such as ‘why does the sun and stars shine?’ Why are they
out of equilibrium with the ambient space, and this cannot be
answered with the known physical laws. The conclusion follows from
astronomical data analysis that stellar lifetimes SHOULD be short,
but that this is not the observable case.’ So, he is saying that
because stars live a lot longer than they should by theoretical
laws, and do things that are not covered by these theories, that
what is INSIDE them cannot be what is theorized. So he says: ‘Stars
are machines getting energy from the time flow.’ And he also says
that the interior of the star cannot be the thermo-nuclear reaction
as described. What can you say about this idea of stars being
sustained by the time flow?
A: Stars are not machines, but windows.
Q: What is in the interior of our sun? What is its internal state?
A: The opening to another realm.
Q: In the interior of the sun, how does it appear to us in 3rd
A: It does not.
Q: So, it is something that is completely unknowable to us?
Q: Does it present as any kind of matter, super condensed, or
Q: (A) The point is that we cannot go to the interior, so asking
what it looks like makes little sense.
Q: (A) But, of course, we can try to investigate these openings
through other means that we do not know exactly yet what they are.
Some of these Kozyrev inventions may be useful in these ways. But
first, we need to have a theoretical understanding, not only in
terms of words, but also how it relates to other concepts that we
know. I want to ask about gravity waves. At one point you mentioned
Sakharov. So, here is a book by Sakharov. But it is the ordinary
idea of gravity waves that propagate at the speed of light as
Q: (A) They do not?
A: Well, what do you think?
Q: (A) What I think is that there is confusion. The current concept
of gravitational waves is that they propagate like EM fields with
the velocity of light. Scientists have tried to measure them based
on this idea, but thus far, have not succeeded. There is a
mathematical theory, and there are machines which are supposed to
measure gravity, but they are not able to do so. For example: if you
have a binary star system, one star rotating around the other, they
should make ripples on the curvature of space time, and these
ripples ought to propagate and we should be able to detect and
measure these ripples. This book by Sakharov is about these kinds of
gravitational waves. I don’t know. Do they exist in this way?
A: No. Timeless, my dear Arkadiusz, Timeless. How can one equate
when using the vacuum of the speed of light. The speed of light
exists within the larger framework of gravity, so does time.
Q: (A) Okay, a related question: this Sakharov says that we should
gravity and that the true theory will include quantization of
gravity. I think that we should NOT quantize gravity. So, I wonder
why he is saying these things which are so standard when he is
supposed to be an unconventional thinker?
A: Because of politics, sort of. Best to read between the lines when
Q: (A) Last time you said that gravity waves are of instantaneous
imprint. That would mean that the wave propagates in space
instantaneously. How does its intensity vary when you are away from
the source? Does its intensity become weaker and weaker?
Q: (A) You say no. That’s a funny thing. If there is a source, how
can we recognize what is the source of the wave? Where is it?
A: First you must get a correct picture of gravity. Gravity is the
between matter and anti-matter.
Q: (A) You are using the word ‘gravity.’ Scientists are also using
the word ‘gravity.’ Apparently there are two different meanings?
A: How so?
Q: (A) Because, according to science, gravity is a force, like other
forces, is a field, like other fields, and being a field...
But it is the foundational field from which all other fields
Q: (A) Now, there is something which we call ‘space.’ Is there such
a thing as space? Is it one of the fundamental things? The space
concept? Is it secondary?
A: Now this is where all 3rd density types keep getting untracked,
have never been able to rectify the definition of space. For
example, where does “space” begin and end. And if it does not, how
Q: (A) I want to know about the mathematical model; how to
model space mathematically. I know what is the standard way of
modeling space which comes from Euclid and Newton, which says that
space is just a three dimensional manifold. But then we have this
French guy from Paris, Nottale, who says that space is chaotic,
fractalized, non-smooth; and starting from this idea that space is a
very complicated object, fractal-like, he derives equations for
planetary orbits much like the theories of Velikovsky, that
planetary systems are like atoms, and that a kind of quantum theory
can be used to get these orbits, and then that quantum jumps can
happen. He derives equations out of his concept of space. Now, I got
a bunch of papers from this guy because I believe they are worth
studying and continuance in this direction. I would like to know if
my intuition in this respect is correct?
Q: (L) Can I ask a question?
(L) Does space have a
beginning or an end?
A: To answer that for you would be like telling a four year old
human child that
there is no Santa Claus.
Q: (L) Well, I can take it! If it does or doesn’t. Because my next
question would be, if it DOES have a beginning or an end, would be:
in what space does our space exist?
A: Not today, Gracie!
Q: (A) Some other day.
(L) Apparently I ask questions they don’t
want to answer! I’m sorry.
(A) On Monday I will go to ConTech and it
is a crucial point in time, because it will be decided whether the
contract will be prolonged and so forth. How should I act in order
A: Do you want the contract to continue?
Q: (A) It is not a question of what I want or not, it is that it is
a necessary source of money, so the answer is yes.
A: Then state your case honestly and sincerely.
Q: (A) Okay, that answers one of my questions. The other question
is: this contract is much better than teaching, but yet it takes
almost all my time, and now we have these exciting things, like this
Kozyrev book, that can be the start of research...
A: Well, we have advised before just to enjoy the ride as it will
not result in
negative conclusion. So far, when our advice has been heeded, what
Q: (L) Let me insert really quickly a question about this so- called
‘Meadows inheritance.’ It came about in such a strange way that I
began to wonder if it was one of the ‘arrangements’ that you were
hinting at in some of this bloodline research I have been doing. Is
A: But wondering is such a stimulating experience!
Q: (L) Is there any possibility that anything will come out of this?
(A) I think you should ask what you should do to make it happen.
A: No, you should not.
Q: (L) What should I ask?
A: Laura, just let it be.
Q: (L) Okay.
(A) I want to ask about this Barry who wrote to me
about Monoatomic Gold. Laura suggested that it is a distraction.
But, he directed me to this Finnish guy who is rather strange, but
his theories make sense to me. Do you have any comment on this
possible distraction scenario?
A: We will not comment.
Q: (A) This Finnish guy has developed a Topological Geometrodynamics
which includes some math that may be helpful to accommodate
consciousness. It has something to do with prime numbers and I like
A: Then explore! And, on that note, Good Night.
End of Session
Back to Contents
October 3, 1998
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
Q: And where do you transmit through?
Q: How do you feel about this plexiglas cover over the board and the
felt on the pointer?
A: Okay for now.
Q: Is there something that might work better?
A: If there is, you will find it.
Q: (A) I have one technical question and one non-technical question,
so I will start with the non-technical one. I notice that, because
of lack of time due to involvement in this programming, that I have
neglected many things which I should not. I neglect gym, I neglect
writing in the journal, I neglect getting enough sleep, I don’t get
up early in the morning or work on my web pages. I am not working on
UFT and related things; work on the transcripts. So, the question
is: how to get out of this situation? Will effort be enough, or do
you have some advice?
A: When you are doing as you should, it is effortless. Let that be
There is no such thing as “hard” work, unless one is going against
Q: (A) Now, the technical question: in the physics
news, it is reported that scientists have discovered long range
acceleration towards the Sun in the observations of the path of
Pioneer 10 which is now 70 AU from Earth, and they cannot explain
this. The problem is that there are speculations that this may
suggest there is something wrong with the theory of gravity, and
that a new theory is necessary. What is the reason for this unusual
behavior of Pioneer 10?
A: Wave emittance.
(A) From where?
A: Cosmic energy is composed of particles misidentified.
Q: (L) As what?
A: Not “as,” but of.
Q: (L) Of what?
A: Particles are...?
Q: (L) Tachyons?
A: Arkadiusz, please!
Q: (L) Alright, I’ll shut up.
A: What do your scientists think about the matter-antimatter matrix?
Q: (A) Well, now you are leading me somewhere else. I asked about
the anomalies in the path of Pioneer 10 and now you are talking
about matter and anti-matter. The issue is the acceleration of
Pioneer 10 TOWARDS the Sun.
A: Towards the Sun... Not from...
Q: (A) Well, I don’t see any connection between this problem and
this matrix you keep mentioning...
A: Yes, so now we see why one goes: “What?!?”
Q: (A) Okay, I will think about it and try to figure it out.
A: No, you will not escape that easily! We are trying to get you to
“thinking cap” on and you won’t even go near the hatrack!
Okay, as you repeatedly mention this ‘matrix,’ I want to know
exactly what your definition of ‘matrix’ is?
A: Picture a perfectly symmetrical three dimensional parallelogram.
Q: (A) It’s a cube.
A: Yes, now convert to 4 dimensions, and you have the mathematical
representation of the matter-antimatter matrix.
Q: (A) In mathematics, by a matrix we understand a cube with slots
to put numbers in. How many slots do we include?
A: Try inserting phi or an infinite number.
Q: (A) The number of slots must be an integer like one, two or
three, not a decimal like phi.
A: Four dimensional, Arkadiusz, 4th Density, see?
Q: (A) Okay, I will think about it.
A: No, you will not. What is the square root of 13?
Q: (A) When you ask about the square root of 13, do you want me to
use a decimal representation?
A: Yes, that would be fun for starters.
Q: (A) Okay, the square root of 13 is 3.6005551275. Do I see
anything particular? No. But, it is a good start. Okay, what is so
particular about the square root of 13 as opposed to the square root
A: Compare with the numerical representation of phi.
Q: (A) I believe that is one plus square root of five over two,
which is 1.618033989. Now, compare. I don’t see any particular
relation between these numbers.
Q: (A) Okay, I subtract and we have 1.982521138 and so on. It’s a
number. I still do not see anything particular about this number,
A: Now, if you can only reconcile your matrix numerically...
Q: (L) Using these numbers?
Q: (L) What do you mean by the term ‘reconcile?’
A: What do you mean when you use it?
(L) These three numbers are the three dimensions?
Play with them, see what you get. Will be better than Rubik’s
Q: (A) Okay, I will play with them. It’s not clear to me how I
should play with them, but I will... yes...
Q: (L) Play with them on the computer.
(A) I will. I am done.
we received this e-mail from the fellow who was at Leonard’s
meeting, and he
Billy Meier if he has knowledge of the Cassiopaeans. Billy
said, and I
quote: “I heard before that a contact group says it is in contact
Cassiopaeans. Now I asked Ptaah for more detailed information. The
the inquiries is as follows:
1) The spiritual leaders of the Plejares did not
have any knowledge about Cassiopaeans who are in contact with a
human group on
2) I asked also if the Plejares are in contact with some
beings in the
Orion or Cassiopaean star constellation. Such a contact does not
exist was the
3) After the research of Ptaah and of Florena (daughter of
Ptaah visiting the earth often in her spaceship) on earth are the
Cassiopaean contacters stealing materials from other sources and a
lot originates in their own phantasy.
4) Ptaah told me that no
beings on their planet Erra or on one of the surrounding planets
have any contact to Cassiopaean beings in physical or spiritual
5) It was also told to me that no beings neither in
spiritual nor in physical bodies are now coming for contacts to our
6) The Cassiopaean contact group - as many others -
distributes the products of their own phantasies. That is the
pronouncement of the ‘Great Billy Meier.’
Q: (L) Well, yes! Who are the Plejares?
Those who originate from Plejar.
Q: (L) And where is Plejar?
A: Near Margaritaville.
Q: [Laughter] (L) I see. In other words, a Jimmy Buffet alcohol
inspired fantasy. Who is this Ptaah that Billy talks to?
We do not suggest you pursue confrontational controversy. It
purpose. And it would be wise to remember that there is a great
potential Armada of those who would equally doubt the validity of
Cassiopaeans, Pleiadeans, Orions, Zeta Reticulans, etc. Any way. So
what is the point?
Q: (L) Well, I know that. But, I would just like
to know what is the energy behind the Billy Meier contacts?
As we have so stated, Meier had legitimate contact in the
beginning, but has
since become the Swiss version of J.Z. Knight.
Q: (L) Okay, enough on that. Moving along. Mike asked about the
cutting of the Elm at Gisors. Can you comment on the meaning of the
‘Cutting of the Elm?’
Q: (L) Well, that was short and sweet. Mike also asks: ‘I wonder if
the quest that we are on, working with the C’s is distracting us too
much from learning about our true nature, and preparing us for 4th
A: Not unless one assumes such a posture.
Q: (L) He also asks: ‘I would like, at some time, to ask the C’s
what wee could each do to best develop ourselves to be ready for the
transition. [...] Maybe the question is: what do each of us,
individually and/or as a group, need to do to ensure that we are
candidates for 4th density during the transition, and can we help
friends and loved ones?’
A: Not correct concept.
Q: (L) What IS the correct concept?
A: If one embarks upon a journey, what does one do to prepare?
Q: (L) Well, I guess that if one is not really sure of the route or
destination that one tries to have as much of a variety of clothing
and necessary essentials and packs the suitcase and gets ready to
A: Does one concern one’s self with the proper texture of the
Q: (L) Not usually. If it is big enough and strong enough to hold
what might be needed, that is all that matters. Are you comparing
the suitcase to the body?
Q: (L) Then I don’t understand the analogy.
A: If one walks down a street, does one choose the color of one’s
socks based on
what one expects to arise during the walk?
Q: (L) No, that would be an utterly trivial concern. And you pick
your socks based on what you have, what you like and what feels
good. You don’t pick your socks based on where you are going to
A: Yes, so?
Q: (L) He further writes: ‘I’m not sure what constitutes the
requirements for transition to 4th density. I would have thought
spiritual enlightenment and commitment to STO, and related
attributes would have been high on the list. But the Lizards are on
4th density, and they are certainly not all that nice to us and are
not STO, as a rule. How did they get to 4th density?’ I already
suggested that he need to read the Ra Material.
A: He needs a better understanding in general, and this is a natural
there is no preparation.
Q: (L) Okay, Bill Brooks writes in response to Mike: ‘There is
evidence for the case that mankind is devolving rather than
evolving. We have descended from our forebears, not ascended from
Q: (L) Okay, he further writes: ‘Seems that there were indeed many
civilizations that were on the planet with far superior inner
resources to which we compare as grade school kids...
A: You are jumping ahead way too fast!
Q: (L) He writes...
A: No, no, no.
Q: (L) You don’t want me to continue this line?
A: We want to take one step at a time.
Q: (L) Well, this was what Bill said back to Mike...
A: No, no, no, no, no, no! You did not answer our question!!!! You
ignored it. How do you expect this discussion to progress?
Okay, your question was ‘devolving.’ I was talking about what he was
saying. Are you saying that ‘devolving’ is not an accurate way of
describing this process?
A: Of course not!!
(L) So, devolving is not accurate. What would be an accurate way
to describe man’s present state...
A: Devolving does not exist!
Q: (A) The question is, does Evolving exist?
Q: (L) That’s not the question. Does evolving exist?
Q: (L) So all just exists and IS, is that it?
A: Yes. All there is is lessons.
Q: (L) Well, we are talking about the obvious evidence for higher
and more advanced civilizations of the past. My thought would be...
A: That is not devolving. If your great grandchildren wind up
that is ‘evolution’ too.
Q: (L) So, it is the spiritual matters that count and not the
technological state of the civilization?
Q: (L) So, a highly advanced civilization could be not as highly
evolved, spiritually speaking, as a less advanced civilization in
terms of spirit?
A: No matter what, it is still “evolution.”
Q: (L) Does it have to do with the fact that time is variable and
selective, and all actually exists simultaneously?
Q: (L) So, it is just cycles?
A: No, you are missing the point. There is no such thing as
experiences are rich with lessons. Many in your realm need to move
beyond this superiority/ inferiority kick.
Q: (L) Anyway, speaking of these ancient civilizations, he says:
‘Yet they all met the same decisive end. They failed to graduate.
Cataclysms overtook them all...’
A: Who says they failed to graduate? This gentleman proposes to know
constitutes graduation?!? How does he know this?
Q: (L) I guess it is an assumption that the state of the material
civilization, or what happens to it, is a measure of the
possible/probable graduation of the members of that civilization in
whole or part. He says that we must ‘rediscover what was known
before. I personally believe that it was a failure to prepare for
the transition to 4th density.’ He says: ‘The 4th density, as I
understand it, is one where the thoughts of the heart can actually
generate external reality almost instantaneously. Can you imagine
the devastation if one is not prepared for that. Preparation, it
seems to me, would consist of honestly coming to grips with those
demons within us and purging them through a variety of means until
the water of Spirit runs clear from our intentions.
A: Preparation consists of merely being there!
Q: (L) I think that the issue is, what these two guys are trying to
get to is that they want to transition to 4th density, they don’t
want to be hanging out on a post- cataclysmic world where everything
is all messed up, they don’t want to go back to square one and do
third density all over again and suffer, and they want to know how
or why or what to do to ensure that they make this transition?
A: You cannot honestly entertain such nonsense, can you?
Q: (L) Well, I have tried to explain to them that it doesn’t matter
where you are or any preparations that you have made along this
line, but it is important as to WHO you are and what you SEE. And,
seeing is based on awareness, and awareness is based on knowledge.
Therefore, it seems to me that the only thing one should be
occupying oneself doing is gathering and gaining knowledge.
Q: (L) Can we get closer than that?
Q: (L) Okay. Let’s move right along here. Bill also says that what
he thinks is part of the preparation for 4th density is an extensive
effort toward the methods of creating our own reality in the sense
of using visualizations toward a desired end with enough consistent
emotional intensity as to manifest the phenomenon in the physical.’
A: Also, three cups of sugar, mixed with quinine and eye of gnute.
Be sure to
shake it three times over your head in a burlap sack while wearing
an amulet depicting King George backwards over your left nipple. Say
14 oooms while shaking your left ankle 5 times, throw in some
monoatomic gold... [at this point we are becoming aware of what is
being said and laughing so hard that it is difficult to call out the
Q: (L) I think I get the point. You are saying that all of this
stuff that people are doing is, where they think they are doing
something to get them somewhere, is simply a waste of time?
Oh no, not at all, we have forgotten to mention the sage, salt
Q: (L) The bottom line that I have on the subject is that anybody
who does this or that WITH THE INTENT of achieving 4th density, is
following the STS mode because they EXPECT SOME RESULT or reward,
and that is Servicing Self...
A: Yes, and they are missing the point. By the way, when does the
leave for North Carolina?
Q: (L) So, wanting to DO anything other than to just BE as fully as
you can be in the here and now constitutes...
A: STS and... 3rd density thought.
Q: (L) Alright. I think that covers that! Now, let’s move onto Falun
Dafa. He says: ‘Falun are intelligent Entities. They are cultivated
by practicing Buddha law and by the movement exercises which look
like Tai Chi. The emphasis is on the practice of Zhen Shan Reng, or
Truthfulness, Benevolence, and Tolerance, the supreme
characteristics of the universe. You gather a Falun and place it in
the Dan Tien, the navel, and it revolves there, and continues your
cultivation for you. [...] What I am most interested in is the idea
of Falun as intelligent entities. What or who are they?’
This is still not germane.
Q: (L) Well, the most important issue to him is, do they exist as
described by this Master Li.
A: Okay, so they do.
Q: (L) Can you gather them and cultivate them and achieve 10,000
A: Yes, we suppose. But first, contact your broker, secure the
remember to turn off the computer and unplug the microwave. Also,
the Maple dining room set should get a fresh dose of Lemon Pledge,
so as to give the authentic maple that “see your reflection shine!”
Q: (L) What?! Why are you being so sarcastic? All of these people
know about as much as we did when we started!
A: Because you already know how to counsel them on such issues.
Q: (L) I know that! But, when I say it, it’s not the same. They want
YOU to tell them in specific!
A: Okay, we have.
Q: (L) Okay, in reading these various books relating to elements of
the ‘quest,’ we find a lot of bearded white men running around
dispensing knowledge and a close association between them and
serpents, though there has not emerged yet a reference between the
Serpent and the Templars and Christ. I suggested that I thought that
were ‘good guys’ and ‘bad guys’ and that something that seems
benevolent could also be otherwise upon closer examination. Mike
agrees except for the mention of the ‘smoking mirror’ god which
brought back the sacrifice. So, there seems to be the association of
the benevolent guys with the ‘serpent of wisdom.’ Can you comment?
A: Many stories stemming from your history or antiquity are confused
Q: (L) Are the bearded white guys running around dispensing
knowledge associated with the serpent?
(L) So, the bearded white guys are in opposition to the serpent.
A: Confused with.
Q: (L) What was the ‘smoking mirror god’ spoken of by the Maya?
A: Something like Castaneda’s description.
Q: (L) So, it was an unfriendly 4th density dude. Now, he quotes
from John Keel’s book ‘Our Haunted Planet.’ It says: ‘The parahuman
Serpent People of the past are still among us. They were probably
worshipped by the builders of Stonehenge and the forgotten
ridge-making cultures of South America.’ Were the Serpent People
worshipped by the builders of Stonehenge?
Q: (L) Who was worshipped by the people who built Stonehenge?
Q: (L) Give me some key words to work it out.
A: Spirit, stars, energy.
Q: (L) Keel also talks about Serpent people integrated in our
society with holographic images superimposed over their faces. Is
this ever the case?
Q: (L) As in Men in Black?
Q: (L) Mike further asks: ‘How do we maximize our efforts? Maybe,
once we get up to speed, we can split up and hunt on different
paths. Maybe the C’s can suggest a plan of action.’ Can you?
Gather knowledge at your own pace; network.
(L) Let me quickly ask about this: I read the book about
Spindletop and wrote to the author with some questions, and the guy
sort of blew off my questions. The question now becomes: is there
ANY validity to any Meadows claim to the income from this oil field.
A: Wait and see.
Q: (L) Why did Rosine McFaddin murder her boyfriend after he had
been reported to have been talking to the professional genealogist
in Salt Lake City?
A: Fit of jealousy.
Q: (L) Was there any concern about something the boyfriend may have
told the genealogist?
Q: (L) Then why did she go to visit the genealogist, risking being
put back in jail for jumping bail?
A: Love of sorts.
Q: (L) So, she was just a whacked out menopausal woman. Now, when I
asked previously about the carriers of this significant bloodline
that I am supposed to be tracking, you said to follow the trail from
Morocco to Spain to France and included the Canary Islands. Also,
that the bloodline was carried by those most capable. Now, I have
thought that this might be the Arab connection via the Moors to the
noble houses of Spain and then into France. Is this, in fact, the
Q: (L) Okay, you said that the artefacts provide the key. I had a
dream the other night that the artefacts in question were the major
arcana of the Tarot deck, that they could be used to discover the
mystery. Was this a legitimate clue in my dream?
A: Tools. So are astrological charts.
Q: (L) In doing this bloodline tracking, I came across this fellow
who was the Gallo-Roman Senator named Tonantius Ferreolus. Is this
individual descended from Jesus/ Jesinavarah?
A: This is certainly a possibility.
Q: (L) You said that Jesinavarah had three children with three Roman
women. I never asked if they were male or female children. Were they
male or female?
A: Vella? What would you suppose?
Q: (L) The names Vella, Rafae and Alicia were given as the names of
the three women who were the mothers. Was I mistaken and did I
garble it when it was really the names of the children?
Sometimes, one follows another.
Q: (L) What were the names of the children of Jesus?
A: You have the clues, and your quest has been admirable so far, why
Q: (L) So, I will find them! Okay.
Could be like the Holy Grail.
Q: (L) What could be like the Holy Grail?
Q: (L) What does the chalice represent?
A: What is its root?
Q: (L) Okay, why are dogs represented in the Egyptian mythology as
the ‘opener of the way?’
A: Guards, guides.
(L) What is the point of this quest? I know it is something that
utterly fascinates me and I want to solve it...
A: Keep going.
Q: (L) It’s not a waste of time? I mean, it’s not
going to get me to
4th density, I’m just doing it because I like it, I guess.
If you did not do it, what would you do?
Q: (L) Well, I can’t think of any puzzle that is more fascinating or
interesting except maybe building a time machine, and I am of the
opinion that the answer to this puzzle will lead to a time machine.
Q: (L) Okay, I have been hearing funny popping and crackling sounds
in the psychomantium at night. The other night I even saw an
Egyptian guy walking back toward the mirror along the side of the
bed where I was. He looked exactly like one of those carved images
with the funny perspective. It seemed that he must have come out of
the mirror, interacted with me in some way, and I was awakened by
his presence as he was going back... We have been sleeping regularly
in the psychomantium and there is a HUGE increase in frequency and
clarity of dreams. There is an interesting energy in the tent. Who
or what was this being I encountered?
A: Find out.
Q: (L) Is there anything we can do to enhance this process? We sleep
in it and are trying to just be used to it being there without
Q: (L) Is it a doorway that can be used while we are sleeping?
Q: (L) Do we use it while we are sleeping?
Q: (L) Anything you want to add about the psychomantium?
Q: (L) Is everything progressing as it ought to?
A: Oh, Laura!
Q: (L) What does that mean? Are you just frustrated with me for
asking a silly question?
A: Close. Good night.
End of Session
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