December 8, 1996
Freddie, Laura, Terry, Jan, Alice
Q: (L) Hello.
Q: (L) Who do we have with us this evening?
Q: (L) And where are you from?
Q: (L) We’ve been discussing the crop circles, and would like to
know if you have any input on that subject? Input on what we’ve
discussed, what we think to this point, and just basically any info?
A: Must begin with specific questions.
(L) Ok, do the multiple perimeters represent multiple densities?
Q: (L) Are the crop circles themselves like antennae, or like homing
devices for energy or thought patterns?
Q: (L) Is the chronology of their appearance important?
Q: (L) Is their location on the planet, in terms of longitude and
A: Yes and no.
Q: (L) In what way yes?
A: Location, not latitude and longitude... Those are merely measure
Q: (L) If the location is signigficant, what is it about the
location that is significant?
A: Magnetic generators of bonding frequency.
Q: (L) Are you saying that magnetic generators of bonding frequency
are located at those places, are in those places?
A: Port through them.
Q: (L) OK, location and chronology...
Why have you not brought up Stonehenge?
Q: (L) Well, we talked about Stonehenge before, that it was an
energy transducer, so to speak. So, was Stonehenge put there because
of the location, or did Stonehenge create...
(T) Why don’t you just
ask what it is about Stonehenge?
(L) Okay, what is it about
A: Location attracted those spirit types on the proper frequency,
who in turn,
placed stones in proper location to receive the coded communications
in code telepathically, in order not to have to chase around the
countryside reading encoded pictographs.
Q: (L) What was the technique used within the circle to receive the
information telepathically? [Planchette spiraled in, and spiraled
A: Transcendent focused thought wave separation.
Q: (L) OK, so that you’re saying that moving in a spiral...
A: The spiral serves to translate message by slowing down the wave
thought wave transference energy. Utilizes/transduces
electromagnetic waves, the conduit, by breaking down signal from
universal language of intent into language of phonetic profile. This
is for multiple user necessity.
Q: (L) Multiple user necessity implies
that a number of people must do the spiral. Is that correct?
No. Must hear and feel and understand precisely the same thing.
molecular structure of the rock, when properly sculpted sing to you.
Q: (L) Is there any possibility that Stonehenge still has any
capacity along this line?
A: Has fragmented energy only.
Q: (L) Well, that’s what I would imagine.
(T) Question. Last week
you mentioned that the majority of the crop circles are real, that
very few are hoaxes. Am I to believe then, that the method that is
used to create the circles that everybody’s looking for, that there
are multiple methods being used, depending on who or what is
available at the time the circle is created? In other words, Doug
and Dave may have actually made legitimate crop circles, only they
don’t know it, because they think they went out and made it their
Q: (T) I just wondered if there’s multiple things going on here.
No, I think it’s all...
(J) So, is there only one method for a true
A: Reading instead of listening... decipher rather individually than
comprehend universally... crop circles rather than Stonehenge!!!
Q: (L) Are you saying that this is the method to pursue now, since of
course Stonehenge is not available?
A: How are you going to pursue. Who is going to believe you?
Q: (L) Is that it? In other words, how are we going to...
A: Ok, folks, let’s try to picture Laura and Ark trying to drag 500
around New Port Richey?!?
Q: (T) Maybe they’ll drag themselves!
A: No, for that, you must “hit” the right key!
Q: (L) Sound. Actually, what I had in mind was just going to England
and checking out Stonehenge itself.
(T) You can’t get near it now
unless you’ve gotten an okay from the government; they’ve got it all
(Fred) Why did they do that?
(T) Because too many people
were going there, like most of the other ‘ancient wonders.’ They
can’t let people near them any more, because it’s destroying them.
(L) They carve their names, and...
(T) Well, not just that, the fact
that people touch them, the moisture from their skin and like that,
it’s deteriorating them really bad. All the traffic around it was
shaking the ground, they’re falling apart faster than the Pyramids
are falling apart.
(L) I want to switch gears here for a few
A: Up to you.
Q: (L) I have to digest it at a certain level, you get to a certain
you get an overload. And then I’ll be able to come back and ask more
about it. One thing that is pressing on my mind, and I really want
to get it out of the way, and we’ll see what we come to after we
have a little break.
[Remainder of session omitted, questions
relating to legal matters.]
End of Session
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December 14, 1996
Freddie, Laura, Terry, Jan
Q: (L) Hello.
Q: (L) And who do we have with us?
Q: (L) And where are you from?
[Advice to Terry and Jan about upcoming Christmas trip]
Q: (L) Ok,
and I have been doing a tape a day, I have been an extremely good
girl. I just wanted to point that out to you guys.
(T) Send Santa!
(L) Yes! Send Santa!
(J) Well, Santa already came!
(L) Oh, I know,
but we want millions of dollars here!
(L) We want ‘Lotto Santa!’ (T) Yes, the regular Santa doesn’t
bring those kinds of things!
A: Gotta hava lotto patience!
Q: [Groans at bad pun]
A: But, patience pays, yes?
Q: (L) Oh, yes it does.
(T) Now, you’ve just got to find out what
numbers to be patient with!
(L) Got any numbers to be patient with?
(J) Oh, you know they’re not going to tell you that...!
A: ... 6
digits between one and 49. Take your pick, there’s 13 million of
Q: (L) Along the lines of some of the things that I have been
working on recently, I’d like to ask if there’s any more information
you can give to us about the hypnotic-opener- strobe effect, and
what it is preventing us from seeing. Is this one of the things that
keeps us from expanding into the next density, in terms of
A: Not related to that. You see, the souls that are affected by all
“cloaking” techniques are vibrating on a low level anyway. The point
is to block those who are blockable.
Q: (T) We’re not blockable?
(L) Is there anything we can do to avoid
(T) We’re not being blocked...
A: You are not blockable.
Q: (T) We are not being blocked. We’re beyond the blocking.
A: If you were, would you be doing this?
(T) That type of blocking technique doesn’t work on us. There may
be other blocking techniques, but that particular stuff doesn’t
work. We either see or don’t see stuff, because we are either meant
or not meant to see it. We don’t see UFO’s anymore, because we don’t
A: Not necessarily true.
Q: (L) OK, what is not necessarily true? Why don’t we see them any
A: Don’t does not equal won’t. If a Buick does not go by, you don’t
either! And if you are inside, doing the laundry when Mr. Jones
decides to take the old “Electra” for a spin, you do not see him, or
his precious car, do you?
Q: (L) I don’t care, I’ve seen enough!
A: Oh, yes, you do care!!!
Q: (L) OK, yes, I care, but I’ve seen enough, I believe, I
A: It is not up to you whether you want to see them or not. If they
want you to
see them, you will!
Q: (T) So, if they want us to see them, we’ll see them!
A: Yes, and they will, and you will!
(T) They will and we will... yes, but, there’s a blocking
technique being used on people to lower the vibrational frequency to
prevent them from seeing them, right?
A: The blocking technique is for many things.
Q: (T) So that people do not understand what’s going on around them.
Q: (L) What else?
That is it, in a nutshell. See and know and think or... See, know
that which is desired.
Q: (L) Yes, and you know it’s there. OK, let me jump over to this
other subject of the number 33 and the number 11. Is there anything
beyond what was given on 11-11-95, that you could add at this time,
about any of the mathematics or the use of these numbers?
Prime numbers are the dwellings of the mystics.
(L) What do you mean, “prime numbers are the dwellings of the
A: Self-explanatory, if you use the tools given you.
Q: (L) How can a number be a dwelling?
Figure of speech. [Planchette spirals several times, vigorously]
interesting that we have a new “cell” phone company called: “Primeco.”
Q: (L) And how does a cell phone company called “Primeco” relate to
prime numbers being dwellings of mystics?
A: Not for us to answer.
[Word association by group: encryption, cells of monks, prisons,
prime number divisible by one or self]
Q: (L) Is encryption the key?
A: Oh, there is so much here. One example is: “Snake eyes” is not so
Q: (T) They are all prime numbers, too; seven and eleven.
kinds of documents or writings... or what would be applicable...
A: No, Laura you are trying to focus, or limit the concept, my dear.
it, what is the Judaic Christian legend for the creation of a woman?
Q: (L) That woman was taken from the rib of Adam. That Eve was
created from the rib of Adam.
A: Ever heard of a “prime rib?”
Q: [Groans] (T) I hate being in kindergarten and not knowing what
the subject is. Ok, prime rib. We have a prime rib, so...
What happens in a “Primary.”
Q: (L) An election. You narrow down the candidates. What happens in
A: Who gets “picked” to run?
Q: (L) Ok, keep on...
A: “Prime Directive?”
Q: (L) OK.
A: “Prime time?”
Q: (L) The first, the best... and...
A: Not point
Q: (L) I know that’s not the point! Is what we’re saying here, is
that we can use these prime numbers to derive something out of
A: We told you about the mystics.
Q: (T) They’re using prime numbers to...
(L) Oh, ok, I get it. So,
mystics... the mystics, the mystical secrets... dwell in the prime
numbers if used as a code.
A: Name the primary mystical organizations for key to clue system.
Q: (L) ...key to clue system?
[We named: Catholicism, Christianity, Judaism, Cabalism, Sufism, The
Koran, Mysteries. Laura realized that she had just set aside the
book “Understanding Mysticism,” it was next to a book on Caballah on
the bookcase in the room.
Jesuits, Masons, Knights Templar,Rosicrucians]
Q: (L) All right. With our little list that we’re making, are we on
to something, or are we completely off track?
A: Yes, now check out those crop circles photos... any prime number
Q: (L) Do you mean in terms of dimension, or do you mean in
A: Composition and dimensions... anything you can find.
[Discussion: Sacred geometries, all sects listed use prime numbers.
John 3:16-19, Corinthians 13. Genesis, Ch.2, verse 22 “rib taken
from the man and made woman” - 2 is the only even prime number. Ch
3, v5...”your eyes shall be opened and ye shall be as the gods.”
(Eating from the Tree of Knowledge)]
Q: (T) ...to find a way of
decoding it to get an answer, to get something, to get a message, to
get something from it...
(L) Are we thinking in any of the lines of
something we ought to follow, or are we drifting?
A: All are lines you ought to follow. Now, look at the photos on the
[Referring to large photocopy of a number of crop circles we had
pinned to the wall.]
Q: (L) OK, we’re looking at them: point out something...
A: Count the large spheres in photo three.
Q: (L) There are seven.
(L) And what does that photo represent?
A: Not yet.
Q: (T) OK, there are seven large circles; a large central one, and
then six outer ones that are smaller. Each of the six smaller
circles is connected to the larger circle by a shaft, or a line, or
a conduit of some kind.
A: Add large and small spheres.
Q: (L) OK, there’s seven. Add the large to the small and there’s
seven; add the little teeny ones, there’s thirteen; and then even
the little teeny-teeny, the little knobs on the ends, there would be
six more, so that would be nineteen.
Q: (T) So, that’s another prime: nineteen is a prime number.
they’re prime numbers. And...
(T) Are they... just as an offshoot
here, do the six circles, the first set surrounding the large
circle, are those the sixth density attached to the seventh density?
A: No comment.
Q: (T) OK now, and then, outside of that are smaller spheres, each
one connected one to the next, in a line. We’re looking at prime
numbers here. What are we looking at? We’ve got a central one, six
outer: large, six outside of that: smaller, six outside of that:
tiny... Could, and I’m just thinking off the top of my head here,
nothing cast in concrete, is this a representation of... a sphere,
getting smaller and smaller... going that way. Or, coming in, this
way. Or that way and this way. Like the infinity mirrors...
If you three dimensionalize.
Q: (L) It would be circles, like balls, like spheres.
(T) Ohhh, it’s
an axis, an x-y-z axis! A three dimensional axis.
Three-dimensionally, it would be like this [Holds up hand,
forefinger pointed up, thumb pointed to himself, third finger at the
horizontal] Larger, smaller, smaller... A three-dimensional axis.
Are we going somewhere with this, or am I out in left field again?
Q: (T) I’m going somewhere with this?
Q: (T) Ahhhh, I now see this as a three-dimensional object as
opposed to a flat circle.
A: Do that to the others too.
Q: (L) OK, we’re trying to three-dimensionalize them. Now, tell us
where we’re supposed to be going here...
(J) Well, this first one is
a spiral going out... Or a DNA molecule...
(T) There’s got to be
more to it...
A: You do not have to figure this all out tonight, just some food
Q: (L) Is there anything else for...
A: Ark may be able to three-dimensionalize by computer program
Q: (L) Yes, well, let us get back to this. The crop circles, as I
understand, are related to the code or the mystical prime numbers,
the mystical dwellings, and that somehow, putting all of these
things together, these different pieces of this puzzle, from so many
different directions, will enable us to perceive, or learn, or
conceive something that will enable us to do something. Is that
Q: (L) Is there anything more that we could look at on this subject
tonight, because right now, I just need to think about it. You get
so much, and you have to digest it.
(J) Food for thought!
Well, you have enough to play with for now, so goodbye.
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December 21, 1996
Freddie, Laura, Alice
Q: (L) Hello.
Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
Q: (L) And where are you from?
Q: (L) The first question on my mind before we get to any of these
other questions is: who is giving information to Sheldon Nidle about
the photon belt and the mass landings that are supposed to take
place on the 31st of December and the 1st of January?
A: Sheldon Nidle.
Q: (L) It is just coming out of his own head? He is not seeing any
beings or channeling anything?
A: Okay, close enough.
Q: (L) I would like to ask about this fellow Jim, in a somewhat
indirect way. This is a person who corresponds with Ark on a variety
of subjects. This last question that was asked was: (reading) “Do
you know about any possible relation between deep space travel and
DNA structure? Or between crop circles coding and CNA coding? Have
you ever been told or shown something about DNA? Like relation
betweeen time rate and the structure of our genes?” And, here is
what Jim replied: “Yes, but I have been warned not to discuss this
matter where it is open to unknown ears.” Could you comment on that?
A: The best thing for Ark to do is request “closed” correspondence.
Q: (L) Does this guy have some knowledge about DNA or crop circles?
Q: (L) Okay, Mother, ask your question.
(A) There are a lot of
things that I want to know, and some, I am sure, are important, but
I don’t know the sequence that I want to follow.
A: Ask away.
Q: (A) So many things have happened to me, that I am wondering if
something happened to my brain in this life or another that would
explain my thinking.
A: More specific, please.
Q: (A) Did anything happen in another life that has caused me
problems in this life?
A: The answer is yes, as with all others.
Q: (L) What happened to cause these mental problems?
A: Not mental, emotional.
Q: (L) Can you tell us a little bit about it?
A: Death of a twin in the last lifetime. Farming accident in 1880’s.
Q: How did this twin die?
A: Fell off of the ox-driven combine, driven by father. Was
Q: (L) Were they male or female twins?
Q: (L) And what were their names?
A: Lucas and Lawrence. Lucas was the one that died.
Q: (L)Where was Mother, as Lawrence, at the time?
A: In the house.
Q: (L) And what kind of emotion has carried over into this lifetime?
A: Her longing is insatiable as she is always “looking for love” due
Q: (L) How old was Lucas when this happened?
A: 8 years old.
Q: (L) How many years after this accident did Lawrence live?
A: 22 years.
Q: (L) Have any of the persons of that lifetime returned to interact
with her in this life?
Q: (L) Not even the twin?
Q: (A) Emotions are not mental, there is a difference? So, my
problems now are emotional and not mental?
A: Your problems are due to maladjustment.
Q: (L) From life to life or just this life?
A: They are the same.
Q: (V) Did she witness the accident?
Q: (L) Did she see the body after?
Q: (L) Was there any sense of blame or resentment directed toward
her by the parents of that time?
Q: (L) Was there any mental or emotional abuse that took place in
A: Maybe some, but it is not significant.
Q: (L) What steps can she take to resolve this maladjustment?
A: Awareness of the root of the problem.
(L) Is there any other part to this event that would help her?
Q: (A) So, all the problems that I had as a child were the result of
A: Some seek an environment of “punishment” in an attempt to resolve
Q: (L) Did she have feelings of guilt that her twin had died and she
was still alive?
A: Yes, but this was not imposed by others.
Q: (L) Okay, she felt guilt, and sought an environment that would
A: Close enough for hand grenades.
Q: (L) Where was the farm located that this incident occurred?
A: Near Cannopolis, North Carolina.
Q: (L) Can you give us the family name?
Q: (A) Let me ask this: all of the experiences that I had as a child
were caused by this emotion where I was trying to punish myself. I
have spent my lifetime trying to punish myself. Is that right?
A: Close. But remember, the point is, you sought out a environment
perceived to be restrictive and unforgiving. Especially with your
Q: (L) Was there other karma with her father in this lifetime?
A: Maybe, but you are the one, Laura, who can best examine these
Q: (L) What about between my mother and myself?
Q: (L) Well, if you guys would just tell me, it would leave me more
time to transcribe tapes!
(V) Whoops, she’s growling [laughter.]
(L) Okay. Any
particular reason behind the financial difficulties I had today?
A: Not really. That will soon be forgotten.
(L) Now, time to stop messing around. You said that “prime
numbers are the ‘dwelling places’ of the mystics.” I have been
poring over this material and it occurs to me that this was put in
quotes for a reason, yes?
A: We put in quotes what we want further examined.
Q: I was thinking that this could be a clue on several levels. Could
it be a clue to identify people and interactions?
Q: (L) And, also as a means of decoding coded written material?
Q: (L) Would this written material be some that is channeled? Or,
more formal and general writings of mystics. Could it be, in other
words, that they might write in a casual way and not be aware that
they are channeling or writing in code?
Q: (L) I dug around about the Templars and have, more or less, come
to the conclusion that they were just a smoke screen, and that
something else was going on at the time that WAS important. I also
think that they have been resurrected from time to time and dusted
off and blamed for for all this secret knowledge that is supposedly
lost... am I on to something here?
Who or what brought about the end of the Knights of the Temple?
A: Rosicrucians move as a “thief in the night.”
Q: (L) But, as I understand it, the Rosicrucians did not come into
being until after the end of the Templars...
Q: (L) Do you mean that the information that came out, that pamphlet
about “Christian Rosenkreutz,” that is a purported fable, might be
Q: (L) Well, goodness sake! The Rosicrucians advertise in
magazines!!! Is this worldwide organization that promotes itself so
A: Well, the “world-wide” order is not all inclusive.
Q: (L) Is there an inner circle of this order that is unknown?
Q: (L) Are the Rosicrucians connected to the Masons?
A: In a roundabout away.
Q: (L) Are the Illuminati connected to the Rosicrucians in any way?
Q: (L) Of the three I have named, which would be considered the one
that is closest to the inner circle?
A: Not the correct concept.
Q: (L) Do the Rosicrucians have writings in their keeping that they,
themselves, do not understand?
A: Yes. So do the Masons.
Q: Would you say that the writings of Albert Pike might be
interesting to decode?
Q: (L) Is there any particular number sequence that could be used?
Q: (L) Is this also a genetic code?
A: Much is missing between “point A and point B.”
Q: (L) You mean by jumping from documents to DNA?
Q: (L) The Priory of Zion, that has been purported to be the
inheritor of the Templar tradition, is that a mystical organization
of great secrecy and import?
A: It is a cover for.
Q: (L) Another smoke-screen.
Q: (L) Getting back to the 353535 code: can you tell me more that
will help me get to...
A: Better turn it over to Ark.
Q: (L) So, I should leave it alone for now?
Q: (L) I will. I wanted to get to this other subject anyway. We know
that you have said that time is an illusion in 3rd density reality -
that it is the 3rd density illusion - and it is involved with our
DNA, which determines how we perceive it. So, it is an illusion.
Yet, somehow, this illusion converts at some point into a solid
reality via some mode or operation. I would like to know, at what
point it converts and how?
A: You are off base. Who said it converts?
Q: (L) Well, we perceive a damn solid reality! There is STUFF that
if you kick it, it hurts!
A: That perception is part of the illusion.
Q: (L) But, that is obviously not the TOTAL illusion. What else is a
part of this illusion? If our perception is part, then there must
also be something there to be perceived, correct?
Q: (L) Okay, what is it that we are perceiving?
A: That which you are programmed to perceive.
Q: (L) Is not this perception, these things we perceive as outside
ourselves, are they not substance of some sort? Are they not there
in some form, even if we perceive them the way we do?
A: Of course, but what does this have to do with “time?”
Q: (L) I am getting to that! We perceive a world “out there.” Trees,
cars, trucks, houses, bricks, boards, blocks, people, dogs etc etc
A: You left out backyard barbecues!
[laughter] (L) Very funny! We perceive things out there. Of what
are they composed?
Q: (L) Of what is matter composed?
A: Atomic structure.
Q: (L) Of what are atoms composed?
Q: (L) Whose thoughts?
Q: (L) Everything?
Q: (L) If I perceive something, and everything I perceive is
composed of my thoughts, and V_ is perceiving, is everything her
Q: (L) What is the difference between her thoughts and my thoughts?
A: That is what binds you. You see, it is merely a program.
Q: (L) Is it merely a program that we think we are separate
A: Not the point.
Q: (L) What is the point? What binds us together? Where does the
program come from?
A: Where do your programs come from?
Q: (L) 7th density? Ourselves? The Lizzies?
A: We are asking about the programs in your computer.
Q: (L) In my computer? Different places. I get them and load them
in. Are programs made - do they exist like ‘thought centers’ - and
do we just load them in ourselves?
A: Why have you forgotten? 309,000...
Q: (L) Oh. You are talking about the “takeover” by 4th density STS.
still, the point I am trying to get to is - yes we have DNA - but
you can’t reprogram DNA if there is not DNA there to begin with. If
there is not something to load the program into. What is the
substance of this reality that we exist in?
A: You just answered.
Q: (L) I don’t understand.
A: You can’t load it into something if there isn’t something there
Q: (L) Fine! What is this something that is there to begin with?
A: Your previous DNA structure.
Q: (L) Where did the previous DNA structure come from?
A: The previous program.
Q: (L) Where did that program come from?
Q: (L) Well, you once said that it was necessary to be on a planet
that had a star that was getting ready to go supernova in order to
molecularize physical bodies. What I want to know is: what is this
process whereby thought becomes manifest as matter?
A: This is too complicated for this medium. You need another method.
that allows for greater word usage.
Q: (L) But, just a clue: how does thought become matter?
Q: (L) What do you mean by “bilaterally?”
A: Dual emergence.
Q: (L) Emergence into what and what?
A: Not “into what and what,” but rather, “from what and to what.”
Q: (L) What emerges from what?
A: The beginning emerges from the end, and vice versa.
Q: (L) And what is the beginning and what is the end?
A: Union with the One.
Q: (L) What is the One?
A: 7th density, i.e.: all that is, and is not.
Q: (L) Now, we have managed to dance around the whole thing, and I
still do not know how matter comes to be or how time...
Q: (L) How can I get where I want to go?
A: You have the basics.
Q: (L) Can you give me a couple more basics?
A: There are no more.
Q: (L) I once asked you if time was gravity?
A: Is a fence the ground?
Q: (L) Is gravity God?
Q: (L) Is gravity 7th density?
Q: (L) Where does gravity emanate from?
A: Thought center.
Q: (L) You have mentioned thought centers of many occasions. Is
there more than one?
A: All are one and all.
(L) If you have a thought center, how do thought centers related
to 7th density, the One?
Q: (L) Are thought centers 7th density?
A: All is.
Q: (L) All is thought centers?
A: No. All is 7th density.
Q: (L) I think you know where I am trying to go with this and I wish
you would help me out just a little...
A: We are.
Q: (L) Okay. Time is an illusion. Wonderful! You have compared time
A: No. We compared your allusion to ours.
Q: (L) Let’s work with this allusion. Let us say that the ground is
7th density. How would we picture time in relation to this ground?
A: As the soil.
Q: (L) Related to the soil, how do WE relate?
A: Too vague.
Q: (L) How do created beings get painted into this picture?
A: Time is your illusion.
Q: (L) Yet, on one other occasion, you said that time does exist at
other densities, only that it is “selcetive,” you can pick the time.
Is that correct?
A: If you want to call it time, but it would not be the same, would
Q: (L) Okay. I am stumped. I can’t go any further now. On another
subject, Ark read that phosphorus is in DNA structure. Could you
A: How about if you comment on the relationship of phosphorous to
Q: (L) I don’t know. Is there some relationship between phosphorous
A: Well, that is not where we were leading.
Q: (L) Well, phosphorous is an essential element for the brain.
Q: (L) That is about all I know about it. I don’t know enough about
A: So, then why not save this until later?
Q: (L) Next question: if there were a sufficient number of people
who were working on learning how to create an alternate reality or
universe, would it seem to them that there was no real “shift”
between the former one and the new one, except an internal shift of
A: That is one possibility.
Q: (L) If we decided that we wanted a different world, could we, as
even a small group, create that kind of world and have it seem that
A: We have told you thus.
Q: (L) Is it possible that there are persons on the planet, here for
some purpose, and that purpose is - say the negativity on the planet
increases to such an extent that many people will become so sick of
it that they are ready to exercise their free will and make a change
and they will then be open to learn from those who have come with
this intent to help and teach?
Q: (L) Well, when this WAVE hits, is that going to increase the
potential for the creation of a new reality, or realm?
A: Better review.
Q: (L) I am trying to get somewhere in particular and am trying to
build the questions step by step...
A: Ask Ark.
Q: (L) What do you want me to ask Ark?
A: Some of these questions, to see what he thinks.
Q: (L) Tell me why he is going to know these answers?
A: It is more fun to ponder the answers, rather than the whys and
Q: (L) You guys are making me a little crazy tonight.
A: Do you want to invite Ark to the discussion?
Q: (L) Of course.
(A) What is the function of DNA, other than coding
A: Conductor of electricity.
Q: (L) Is that the only other function?
A: Well, as you know, electrical energy can have nearly endless
Examples... radio waves, neurotransceiver for thought pattern
programs facilitated through electromagnetic wave transmission, etc.
Method used for creation and maintenance of program illusions, such
as the perception of linear time as reality.
Q: (L) Is that it?
A: Send that.
Q: (A) Should I follow the Newtonian electrodynamics thread?
A: It is up to you to follow that which you are guided to follow.
elementary. If we were in your “shoes,” we would shelve it.
Q: (A) Should I study the cold fusion problem?
Not in area of search.
Q: (L) Any further comment about cold fusion?
Q: (L) What is cold fusion?
A: Theoretical, some recently claimed breakthroughs of
Q: (A) Which part of a human extends into 4th density?
A: That which is effected by pituitary gland.
Q: (L) And what is that?
Q: (A) Are there some particular DNA sequences that facilitate
transmission between densities?
A: Addition of strands.
Q: (L) How do you get added strands?
You don’t get, you receive.
Q: (L) Where are they received from?
A: Interaction with upcoming wave, if vibration is aligned.
Q: (L) How do you know if this is happening?
A: Psychophysiological changes manifest.
(L) Such as what?
A: Isn’t Ark a part of this discussion?
Q: (L) Alright! I get the point! I was just trying to help.
would like to know if there is a separate field beyond
electromagnetism and gravitation, something similar to the Sheldrake
concept of a morphological field or morphogenetic field?
Yes, and it is very close to that. It is apparent that Sheldrake
tune,” as are you, Arkadiusz. But you must have faith in your
thoughts, as sometimes they are assisted.
Q: (A) When you speak of an upcoming wave, it is a wave of what?
A: Think of it as a wave of reflection from the beginning and end
Q: (L) Can you clarify that in more 3rd density terms?
A: No, see what the response is. It is his question, after all!
Q: (A) Is DNA acting as a superconductor?
Q: (L) Any other comments?
Q: (A) [regarding wave] But what vibrates? Energy? Aether?
A: Energy and aether are directly symbiotic.
Q: (A) And when it vibrates, then in which dimension?
A: The density 3 and 4 at transition junction.
Q: (A) If not in linear time, then in what?
Q: (A) What measures the distance between one crest and another?
A: Ending/beginning of cycle.
Q: (A) Trying to understand the universe in terms of a triality,
matter - geometry - information. Is it the right idea?
A: If one thinks of matter as “living” rather than “dead.”
Q: (L) Is that it?
A: Ark questioned.
Q: (L) Well, excuse me for trying to help here!
(A) Is DNA
Q: (A) What is electricity?
A: In what sense?
Q: (A) What is elementary charge?
A: Elementary means basic construct, whether directly from the
Q: (A) What type of entity?
Purely substantive, as in a binder.
Q: (A) A warp?
A: “Warp” is incomplete concept. Remember what we said about theory
Q: (A) Must I understand the nature of superconductivity? It seems
to me that I must.
A: Yes and yes, definitely.
Q: (A) Is it correct? Is it in my reach?
A: Yes. We already answered.
Q: (A) That means Nobel Prize, definitely, yes?
A: We hate to say this, but... Wait and see!!! Good Night!
End of Session
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December 28, 1996
Freddie, Laura, Alice, Violette
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Torren from Cassiopaea.
Q: Have you not been the representative in previous sessions?
A: Remember, individual monickers are for your familiarity only.
Q: Okay, thank you. I have a list of questions that I would like to
get through fairly quickly, if possible. The first one is for
Violette. She is concerned about her health and would like to have a
A: Study nutrition, then see doctor.
Is there anything specifically wrong that is urgent?
See last response.
Q: (V) It’s too bad my doctor is an idiot.
A: Then choose another.
Q: Is there any one thing she could do at this point that would
(V) I have been bruising a lot.
A: Iron supplements help, but do not limit to that.
Q: (V) Is ‘ruten’ in conjunction with iron important?
A: What did we say 3 questions back?
(V) I had a very disturbing dream last night? Was it processing,
or a facade. I was looking at things and fixing myself. And the
night before, I dreamed that Laura came swooping in to save me from
something that was scaring me to death. I woke up with my heart
A: Best to work to purge negative influences in your life.
Q: (L) The dream was doing that?
A: No. That is our suggestion for Violette.
Q: What negative influences does Violette need to purge?
A: Those which have tentacles leading to her representation of the
Q: What is her representation of the past?
A: That which in 3rd density is viewed as past.
Q: (V) Was the dream last night... I was observing and looking what
I perceived as sentences and paragraphs, very logically and
meticulously I was breaking things down into logical segments - once
I was done doing that, I was fixing myself -my hair, my nails. Was
this a positive dream? What did this dream represent?
A: When one must decipher the clues in one’s life, it takes patience
reflection. As in one looking before leaping.
Q: (V) Back in October, I was supposed to go to a retreat that you
said would be positive and uplifting. But it was cancelled at the
last minute. What happened?
A: The vibrations were not in sync.
Q: Was everybody cancelled, or was it just me?
A: From the point of view of the experience, the result is the same.
Q: Will she go on this retreat ultimately?
A: An opportunity will present itself.
Q: Violette also had an experience the other day where she was
feeling very powerful pulling sensations toward a certain person in
her past. What was stimulating those sensations?
A: Physical cycle stimuli.
Q: (V) As in menstrual cycle?
A: Menstrual is superimposed by hormonal, is it not?
Q: Was something outside of her stimulating the hormones?
A: Not needed.
Q: How can she deal with this kind of stress?
A: Spiritual awareness heightening.
Q: (V) How do you achieve heightening of spiritual awareness?
A: This is a good vehicle, for example.
(L) Does general acquisition of knowledge on any and all subjects
also heighten spiritual awareness?
So, if you are not doing it here, it does not necessarily matter,
because every minute you spend learning and thinking and examining,
you are heightening spiritual awareness.
Q: Okay, I had a dream about Chloe and Tommy, and Tommy had come
back to life. We were on a trip in separate vehicles, and had
stopped at a restaurant. Tommy had gone to the men’s room and had
been gone for a long time. Chloe asked me to help her find him, and
I knew where he was, but she tried the door and said it was stuck
and wanted me to help. I told her that it was not stuck, it was
locked and, to prove it, I got the key, which somehow I had, though
I had to take it off my van key ring; it was a ‘master key.’ And,
when I unlocked the door for her, she discovered that Tommy was
dead, on the toilet. This was very disturbing to me. Can you tell me
anything about this dream? I was thinking, that since it was so
clear, that it might have been prophetic.
A: You will learn the meaning profile of this and other dreams so
well that it
will be akin to reading from a road map... Patience, my dear!
Q: Okay, can I ask about my other dream - about Freddie and Ark and I -
we were driving down the road and the school was involved -
something about ‘locker number 43’ - there were piles of notebooks,
and I had the key to get all this information...
A: See last response.
Q: Okay, is the phone company going to accept the credit card?
A: All will work itself out.
Q: Well, if they don’t, we are in a mess because it was my stupid
idea to do it this way... and if they don’t, my phone will be turned
off and I won’t even be able to contact him at all to let him know
what is going on...
A: And if that happened, what do you think Ark would do?
Q: Well, there isn’t much he could do!
Nonsense!! You know he would “move heaven and earth” to solve the
Q: Well, that is comforting... but I don’t see how it could be done.
Now, there IS something that worries me a LOT... that Ark will come
and not like me...
A: Why do you think this?
Well, because I am so fat.
A: Have you led him to believe that you were skinny?
Q: No. I told him a lot of times that I am too fat.
A: If you are worried about what Ark will think about your physical
you have nothing to fear, if you have nothing to “hide,” no pun
Q: Well, I want to buy some clothes... and I want to get
my final divorce paper work done... will I be able to settle with
the insurance company before Ark comes so I can do these things?
A: Wait and see. Worry not.
Q: Well, you keep saying this, and I just don’t see how anything can
happen the way you say it is going to happen. I am nearly going out
of my mind with worry. But...
A: And when have we been wrong?
Q: Not YET!
A: How many demonstrations do you need?!? We told you to tell Ark
back, as you measure time, if you recall. You were suspicious then,
but you did follow the suggestion, and see what happened? We will
not be joyous if you are not able to develop greater faith.
Q: Well, that makes me feel like I HAVE to have faith or I will let
A: No, you do not “have” to do anything... It is just that it will
disappointing if you become blocked.
Q: Okay, but there was something else that happened then. When I
told Ark all those things, he went to the bank and discovered that
he had been wiped out... she took every damn dime. So, where did
faith get us then?
A: No. When we suggested it, it was well before that event. And, she
take “every damn dime.”
Q: Well, close enough. Never mind. I don’t want to know any more on
that subject. Okay, change of subject: what is the source of the
apparition on the building down in Clearwater?
A: “Apparitions” are not important as to their “source” but rather
Q: Well, is it STS or STO or just a chemical anomaly? But you say
that is not important - the result is. What is the result.
Have you not witnessed it?
Q: Well, I can’t tell what is in the hearts and minds of people, all
I see is a lot of people making money off of it. How can I know
A: Them you must think that the result of the UFO/Alien phenomenon
is that a
“bunch of people are running around and buying silly rocks.”
Obviously there are a lot of different results. Most could be buying
the silly rocks, but others could be learning from it either for STS
(L) So, the results of anything is strictly the result of
the configuration of the individual?
But it still begs the question: Is it truly an apparition of the
A: Well, is it possible for you to differentiate between that which
apparition, and that which is not. And does it really matter? Or, is
“apparition,” merely a classification? Or a “label?”
Q: (V) Is it
A: Are you? Are we? Is George Bush? Or is he an apparition?
Q: (V) Ali wanted to ask about her upset stomach and the pain she
has had for the past few days.
A: Ask her to ask.
Q: (A) Why is my stomach in such a bad state the last couple of
A: Not your terminology.
Q: (A) Why has my stomach been so upset the past week or two,
whenever I eat, and why do I have these headaches with it?
What else has happened in the past “week or so?”
(A) You are asking me? I don’t know.
A: We are asking you to ask aloud, and more importantly, ask
therein lies your answer!
Q: (A) What is the remedy to correct it?
A: What is the underlying cause?!?!
Q: (A) I’m confused. I’m asking questions and they are asking me
Are you stressed over something major?
(A) I’m always stressed.
Q: (A) It’s not stress?
Your response was incorrect. When you said “I’m always stressed.”
This much??? We don’t think so!!!
Q: (L) Does it have to do with Patrick?
(A) Does it have to do with
my dislike of Patricia and Shayna?
(A) I dislike them intensely. What is the other part?
A: Work related. Career direction related.
(A) I also dislike my job. Is the other part of my physical
problem, the fact that I see my job as a dead end?
Q: (A) What can I do to correct this?
See the bigger picture.
Q: (A) I don’t understand that. It is not clear enough for me.
A: Current events will mean little, eventually. “This too, shall
Q: (A) Is one of the solutions to steer clear of Patrick’s family?
A: Then, all your life, you will need to “steer clear” of a lot of
Better to learn to let “bad” things fall off your back, as in the
proverbial duck’s water!
Q: (L) I don’t understand. You told ME to avoid these people!
A: You react differently.
Q: (L) Well... I can be around them... it doesn’t bother me. I just
don’t choose to because I don’t want their vibrations all over me.
(A) I don’t have to talk to them, do I?
A: That is not the point. One does not need to let others bother
them, if on
can learn to regulate absorption. Not unsolvable.
Q: (A) How can I take steps to get to the point where I can deal
with them, but not so that they make me sick? It is very difficult
for me to do this. It literally makes me sick.
A: Learn to laugh at that which currently disturbs you. After all,
comical, when you think of it. Stop taking everything so
Q: (A) I always thought that I was able to deal with
everything, but these people absolutely nauseate me. And, then I get
mad at myself because I react to them. Usually I wouldn’t react to
them. I would not even acknowledge their existence!
(L) What makes
it so personal?
(A) They are so low on the evolutionary scale, that
they don’t even see their own evil. They think that if anyone else
sees the disgusting way they behave as wrong, that there is
something wrong with that person, and not them!
A: Then, picture them as squawking dodo birds.
Q: (A) It is very difficult.
A: Not if you try.
Q: (A) What steps should I take to relieve my work stress? Do I need
to start looking for another job? Is there something I can do there
to make it less stressful?
A: All are good possibilities, but, look at these things as joyous
rather than drudgeries.
Q: (A) Am I in danger of being replaced in my job? Are they looking
to replace me?
A: What danger? Is this the chairmanship of Ford Motor Company??
Q: (A) Is Patrick at the point where he can see his mother and
sister as people with shortcomings, or will he always be blindly
devoted and unable to see their faults?
A: Too many thought patterns at once.
Q: (A) Is Patrick at the point now where he can clearly see what his
mother is doing? See her faults?
A: Best way for one to “see” faults is for one not to be reminded by
Q: (A) Will he ever be able to be healthy and break away from her
control, and go out on his own?
A: Well, that is quite a “wish list,” but see last response.
Q: (A) Then, the best way for me to deal with this is to cut off all
connection with Patrick and his family, correct?
A: We would never limit your options thusly!
Q: (L) Why is Patrick being dragged through the mud this way, if
that is what is happening?
A: Why is attack, and te particular victim, ever important?
Q: (L) Is it because Patrick is supposed to learn to overcome these
A: Close enough.
Q: (L) Okay, so Patrick has to learn on this, and the best way you
can help him is by backing off.
(A) From Patrick, too?
When one protests, one facilitates the building of barriers that
integral part of the attack. For one to have revelation, one must
“step back,” and view the picture without prejudice!
(A) Well, I think that my lesson in all of this is that I need to
learn that there are going to be people in this world that I will
need to deal with, and I need to learn how to do it now. The world
is full of these kinds of people.
A: Or that you can deal with them without letting it affect you.
Q: (A) It is very difficult.
(V) Is Patrick this important?
thing is after I got him get off the drugs, after all of this
happened, it really wasn’t him anymore, it was me. I felt that
something was happening... usually people don’t affect me like
(L) Did you hear what you just said?
(L) “When I
got him off the drugs.”
(A) Is that bad?
(L) He didn’t do it
(A) I know he didn’t. And he knows he didn’t. He tried
(L) Is it any good this way? That he didn’t do it himself?
(A) I think so. While he was on them, his Mom and his sister had
complete control of him. He is 300 per cent better... the only
difference between Patrick and his family is that he knows there is
a problem and he wants to get help.
(L) I think he thrives on the
continuous drama of it. Crisis after crisis. Drama Queen City! Is
there a karmic relationship between Patrick and Aletheia?
Q: Can you tell us what it is?
Let it unfold. Remember, all there is is lessons.
Q: Will you tell us the number of lifetimes they have had together?
A: Oh, how about 4?
Q: Well, that is not much.
(V) Would exploring this help now?
A: Maybe, “Mom” has that talent. Go “under” to rise above.
Q: (A) Okay, thank you. I have to go to bed.
A: Good Night Ali.
Q: Now, we have a question from Ark... for his sister. Can you find
A: We can “find” anybody.
Q: Okay, she would like to...
A: But she wants us to advise her regarding business decisions...
she is quite capable, a good organizer and very pragmatic. Better
advice could be reserved for other arenas.
Q: Such as?
A: Quest for knowledge.
Q: So she should be asking about spiritual matters and not material
A: Yes. She is a dynamic business woman... for us to advise at this
could harm, as we would not wish to be a crutch for those currently
Q: Anything that you wish us to convey to her?
A: Does channeling when in garden.
Q: She does?
Q: What do you mean?
A: This particular subject. Remember, souls of alike frequency
travel together. Tell her to go ahead as already intentioned, it
will work just fine.
Q: Anything else for her?
A: Not yet.
A: Isn’t it fun, Ark, to have heightened awareness... To be able to
together more and more?
Q: (Ark) Should I seek contact with Hoagland concerning the paper by
A: Best approach is to groove the contact with Hoagland enough so as
open forum with him and have free exchange of ideas on all possible
subjects. Suggest you make him aware of how your particular field,
background and angle of experience can further quest.
(Ark) Is following this link a] safe b) right?
A: Well, safety is not determined by what is followed, but rather
Q: (L) Okay, while we are waiting for Ark’s response, I have a
question. I am BURNING up! What is the reason for this unbearable
heat I am suffering?
A: Heat means 4th density bleedthrough.
Q: I am about to die of heat, and I know it is cold in here. When
you say 4th density bleedthrough, what do you mean?
A: Oozing of faint reflections of new reality.
Q: Do you mean new or altered or changed bodies?
Q: (V) Are the night sweats connected?
Q: (V) Are the night sweats I have hormonal?
Q: (V) How come I can’t get a straight answer?
A: Seek and find, tis fun!
Q: (L) Back some time ago, I went unconscious in the chair, nearly
passed out, anyway, and Ark sent me a message and said that he SAW
me THERE! What happened?
A: Haven’t you learned?
Q: Well... is there any activity a person could do to stimulate
their DNA to become superconductive?
A: No need. You would like to find an activity to stimulate Arielle
to grow up
Q: Of course not! She’s just a BABY! She needs to have fun! Oh, I
get it. Okay. Now, Freddie had a funny feeling about M the other
day. Was he getting a message about her?
Q: Did she know I was cancelling her for some reason other than the
excuse I gave?
A: She had some suspicion.
Is there some danger to us at this time from her, as Freddie
A: Yes. Always be vigilant and proceed with caution!
Q: (V) Has she come by to spy on us?
(L) Does it matter?
it does if she is crazy and has a gun! Can you define this danger?
A: There are many possibilities.
Q: Well, can you list the top three?
A: Physical, psychic, spiritual.
Q: (V) You mean she would...
A: Be open to all possibilities as pathways of attack.
Q: Is it true that when Ark is here, that our protection level will
Q: (V) All of us?
A: Any and all.
Q: (Ark) I am confused about time. You said relativistic physics
must be redone because it assumes unnecessary symmetry. What
symmetry do you have in mind?
A: Unnecessary symmetry? You asked about a particular project or
examined, and those involved. We said that it was on the right
track, so long as the symmetrical aspects were dropped as an
absolute. Meaning the framework of the project was too narrowly
Q: (Ark) You suggest that what I was trying to do in Hamburg was a
worthwhile pursuit, but I was assuming even more symmetry than
A: Then don’t assume. Remember, symmetry, by its very nature,
realms of possibility. It is all inclusive, rather than
Q: (Ark) Is there some anti-gravitational effect in the levitron
A: Not “in” the levitron toy. Rather “through” the toy. The toy is
Q: (L) Well, should we spend 40 bucks on this thing?
(V) How does it
I don’t know!
A: Antigravity is deceivingly simple.
Q: (L) So, the guy who is advertising it is not cheating?
A: Not correct concept.
Q: What is the correct concept?
A: See last response for clue.
Q: (L) So, you aren’t going to tell me any more about it?
A: Ark is the questioner, yes?
Q: Okay. Well, he thanks everyone... and says good night.
(A) I fell
recently and would like to know what caused me to fall in the
Q: (A) Is it a continuing ailment?
Q: (A) When I had that terrible pain in my foot, in church, what
Q: (A) I seem to be having trouble with my memory... is this related
to the emotional issues you told me about?
A: Check dietary considerations. These can either enhance or
Q: (A) What is wrong with my leg?
A: Circulatory disruptions; see previous response.
Q: (A) Will my eyes get any better?
Q: (V) My grandmother recently died. How is she?
Q: (V) I know that was a lame question, but is there any opportunity
of speaking to her?
(L) No! I’m not going to channel your grandmother!
I don’t even know her! Ask about her...
(V) Is there a message for
me from my grandmother?
A: Maybe, at another juncture.
Q: (L) Why another time?
A: She is not ready now.
Q: (V) Is she sleeping as you described Tom?
A: There, time exists not.
Q: (L) But you said she is ready NOW, but then you say time exists
not? What is the deal here?
A: What was the first word of the previous response?
Q: (V) Ok, there as opposed to here. Where is she?
A: Fifth density.
Q: (L) Why do I not want to channel other entities... that was a
strong response that just sort of jumped out... is it correct?
Q: (L) Why?
A: It would be like trudging through the saw palmetto bush thickets,
Q: (L) Well, that is a good way to step on a rattlesnake!
Q: (V) Has 4th density earth been in existence as long as 3rd
A: Not correct concept.
Q: (V) Does 4th density earth exist?
Q: (V) And there are human beings...
A: All exists always.
Q: (L) Where is the 4th density earth, aside from being in 4th
A: Another realm.
Q: (L) Are there 4th density US existing NOW on this 4th density
A: Yes. Us.
Q: (V) When you are on 4th density and look at the Sun, do you see
the same thing we see here? When you look at the Moon, do you have
the same visual experience?
A: No. Awareness is broader.
Q: (L) Well, what would you see when looking at the Sun?
A: Entire visual spectrum.
Q: (L) You mean we would be able to see all the things that we can
now only see with instruments? Like the corona, the solar wind, et
A: The entire sphere from all possible angles of realization?
Q: (L) Would we be able to HEAR the Sun?
Q: (L) What does the Sun sound like?
A: Not answerable.
Q: (L) Do planets and Suns talk to each other? Are they angels and
A: Laura, let us not go over the “deep end.” [laughter] Boys are all
puppy dog tails... Girls are really sugar and spice, and everything
Q: (L) So, you are making fun of me!
Sure, why not?
Q: (L) Well, are there such things as archangels?
Q: (L) Well, if there are such things as archangels, how would we
A: Too complex.
Q: Okay, do different individuals have connections to different
Yes, are our souls born from different archangel realms?
A: No. The soul was never created. Was/Is/Always will be.
Q: (V) Well, I can’t grasp that... I mean, creation...
(L) There is
no creation, All just IS.
(F) Well, there are cycles.
where does the substance come from.
(L) Doesn’t come from anywhere.
Just thoughts in the mind of God. I mean, what else does God have to
do for eternity but dream? We are the dream.
(V) Can you comment on my struggle to understand this?
A: What is the struggle? It will come. Okay, folds, for now, Good
January 4/5, 1997
Q: What name shall we use this evening?
Q: [attempts to pronounce]
Pron: Ny or g; “Knee or gee.”
Q: (L) Okay! Where are you transmitting from?
Q: (L) Since we were discussing it, may I ask about the Kryon
A: If you wish.
Q: (L) Can we be more specific. Is the Kryon source one from a
A: “Source” of most things in your density is, in one way or
another, from a
Q: (L) Okay, I understand that, but what I want to know is this
particular source a Being from a higher density who calls itself
A: Infer as you see fit!
Q: (J) If you excuse the expression, you have to consider the
it occurred to me tonight while writing to J, and it rather jumped
into my mind
while thinking how best to answer his questions, that it was very
Val was virtually begging me for every session I had transcribed,
and I sent
them to him as they were done, he called every week to discuss them,
suddenly silence, no responses, and virtually in the next week after
the last contact, he produces Alex Collier and the Andromedans. And,
the funny thing I thought about recently is that Andromeda was the
daughter of Cassiopia! The only thing is, there is a core of
information in the Andromedan stuff that is so similar, but it is
wrapped in 3rd density garbage. Is it possible that the reason for
this strange interaction is that the material I sent him has been,
shall we say, borrowed?
A: Influences derived from our messages to you are to be seen more
and more due
to your widespread sharing of same.
Q: (L) Well, I am not objecting... I just want people to hear it, so
I don’t really mind...
A: Good, perhaps, but... there is much opportunity for corruption!
Q: (L) Well, that is certainly true, considering the stuff that is
coming back to me about the “Wave.” But, all my internet postings
are dated, so it would be fairly easy to track. We have some
questions here: Physicists talk about multi-dimesional universes.
The idea is that our 3 dimensional space and 1 dimensional time is
an illusion of plane beings, while the true universe has more
dimensions perpendicular to the above ones. Physicists have
different guesses here: 5, 6, 7, 11, 256. How many dimensions does
the true universe have?
A: Not correct concept. Should be: How many universes does the
Q: (L) Alright, then. I think that from a previous session we were
told that the number of universes was not countable. Is that
A: Infinite, maybe, but more to the point: variable and selective.
Q: (L) Is it that there can be more at one time and less at another?
Q: (L) Does this mean that any potential universe can be selected at
any time to be the ONE that is cued?
(T) No, the “jukebox” idea
relates to time. Explain variable and selective, please?
For those who know how, universes can be created at will in order
transmodify reality merge.
Q: (L) What is a reality merge?
A: What does it sound like?
Q: (T) Merging of realities from one universe into another? A
creating of a new reality which is then merged with the old to
create a new universe.
(L) Maybe it means the realities of different
people merge to create a sort of “mutual universe?” Like the idea
“you create your own reality?”
A: Terry is closer, Laura is playing “left field.”
Q: (L) The next question: The C’s, Andromedans and others talk about
‘densities.’ We are supposed to live in 3rd density. Does this
number 3 have anything to do with 3 space dimensions?
A: Close. Means: Original definition closer to 3rd level of
material/ethereal spectrum, but denizens of Terra Locator came up
with “Third Dimensional” explanation due to influences upon the
subconscious mind from soul memory connnection to Akashic record.
Q: (L) J talks about dimensions, densities and states. What about
Yeah, there’s Georgia and Arkansas... no, that’s not really a
A: You forgot poor little Fhode Island! Tsk tsk! Mirth!
Q: (L) Okay, does “state” refer to some state of being that entities
can exist in?
A: On this, consult psychological text books for more information,
if you are so
inclined as this is the only area where this term applies.
Well, J has come up with the number 384 dimensions which comes from
some obscure formula... he also says that these dimensions differ by
entropy and that the next dimension above us is a supercondcting
dimension, that there are dark and light dimensions, forward and
time back dimensions. Aside from the fact that we have already
disposed of the NUMBER of dimensions...
A: We suggest that J create a universe thusly.
Q: (L) Okay, do densities differ by entropy?
A: No, but maybe by “atrophy.”
Q: (L) Now, do we have densities that are superconducting?
Q: (L) Do you mean that we need to discover in this area? Are there
dark and light densities?
A: This line is not productive to your quest.
Q: (T) Well, this J does not seem to be able to grasp the idea that
time is not a dimension, it is just a localized variable.
C’s said once that 4th density is “going with the speed of light.” I
think I remember that you said that there was NO speed of light
there because “speed” was a 3rd density concept.
A: Please... we are drifting! Tell A that “aether” is Terran
attempt to address ether. The trouble is, there is simply no way to
physicalize a plane of existence which is composed entirely of
consciousness. It is the union of perfect balance between the two
“states” or planes, that is the foundation and essence of all
creation/reality. You cannot have one without the other!
(L) When you say the two states or planes, you are saying the
physical state and the state of consciousness...
Q: (L) And you can’t have one without the other. And the state of
consciousness and the state of material existence are so completely
connected, that both are infinite? One cannot exist without the
A: Yes, connected, intertwined, bonded... Merged.
Q: (T) A structure of the universe that holds the levels together...
everything is connected. The consciousness of 6th density is
perfectly bonded and balanced with 3rd density, and the quasi
physical level of 4th density, and the totally physical levels 3
through 1, and the total ONE of 7th, and whatever 5th is.
have four levels of physical expression, so to speak, going from the
really solid, minimal consciousness level 1 to....
A: Yes, but the Terran scientists have been programmed to believe
can exist unless it can be measured, estimated, calculated and
represented in some way in the physical material plane. Not
true!!!!!!! For example: We are in NO WAY physical.
(L) Well, I also want to know why you refer to a technological
device that supposedly transports someone from one density to
another, as a ‘Trans Dimensional Remolecularizer?’
A: In order to reconstruct 3rd density into 4th density physical,
dimensions must be utilized in the process. Remember, we are talking
about exact duplicates which are merged.
Q: (L) But, a little while ago you said there was a single dimension
and many universes, and now you are saying utilizing another
dimension, so the terminology is getting to be a little bit
(T) It is like a program loading onto a computer. Some
programs just load straight in. Others need to create a space on the
harddrive to put files that they need to LOAD the program, but are
not PART of the program, and when it is finished loading, it erases
all the “loading instructions.” The hard drive is still the hard
drive, but for a time, the program used a sector of the hard drive,
and created a temporary dimension, let’s say.
(L) Is this what we
are looking at here?
A: Close. And remember, we said “true” dimension!
Q: (L) So, it is like one hard drive, many programs, loading
instructions for new programs that are then erased, etc. If there is
one “true dimension,” and infinite universes within it, does one
particular universe exist, of and by itself, at any given time,
until it is merged into a new one, or is there within this one true
dimension, multiple universes as real as ours is, to which we could
go, and could be there alongside ours, so to speak?
A: Yes to the latter.
Q: (L) And, can infinite numbers of “dimensions” exist within each
level of density, even if temporary?
A: Yes. If you want to go back and change “history,” either for
for universal perception, you must first create an alternate
universe to do it.
Your 4th density STS “friends” have been doing this a lot.
Q: (L) If you, being a general term, create an alternate universe,
does the former one continue to exist, or does the former one merge
into the new one?
Q: (L) If the former one continues to exist, does it exist and
evolve on its own, disassociated with the second one, or this
Q: (T) The universe you are in: you are going along and say, “I
think I will create a new Universe.” You do it, and move to it, and
you bring your universe with you. That is the merging of realities.
But, when you move to the new universe, you are no longer in the
original one which continues along on its own. The pattern of the
old universe, you bring into the new one, and when you become part
of the new universe you have just created, you are no longer part of
the old one you just left. It just goes along with everybody else
(L) Is this correct?
A: Sort of... remember, one can create all ranges of types of
Q: (L) So you could create a new universe with a new “past,” even?
Q: (L) So, in that way, both actually occur and you can change the
A: When merged, the former never existed.
Q: (T) Not for the person creating the new universe, but the former
will continue for everybody else.
(L) So, for the person creating a new universe, the former never
existed, but the other beings who are satisfied with that old
universe, and “go” with it, are still continuing along as though...
A: Your 3rd density mind restrictions limit the scope of your
Q: (L) If you decide you don’t like your present universe, and you
work like crazy to learn how to create a new one, and you do it, do
you, essentially, forget that you did this? And why you did this?
And forget the other universe?
A: If you wish.
Q: (L) So you can or you can’t...
(T) Going by what you just said:
“an unhappy universe,” is that because your perceiving the universe
you are in as being unhappy because that is the way you are and
where you are at, in terms of learning, and by creating a new
universe, you are simply wishing to change the way the universe is
around you, and really its not the universe that has a problem, but
A: Off track.
Q: (L) So, the universe you are in, is what it is, and you are in it
for some reason...
(T) You’re in it to learn lessons... just to
change the universe because you don’t want to learn the lessons
you’ve chosen to learn...
(L) Or, you have learned them and thereby
CAN change the universe...
(T) When you learn, you just move on
automatically, you don’t have to change the universe. The universe
will change for you.
A: Deja vu comes to you compliments of 4th density STS.
Q: (L) Is deja vu a result of some sensation of the universe having
A: Or... some sensation of reality bridging.
Q: (T) As you move into the new one, you have leftovers?
Q: (L) What is reality bridging?
A: What does it sound like?
Q: (L) Is it somewhat like merging universes?
(T) A bridge is
something you put between two things...
A: You wish to limit, wait till 4th density, when the word will be
Q: (L) That still doesn’t help me to understand deja vu as a
“sensation of reality bridging.” Is deja vu because something comes
into our reality from another?
A: One possibility..
Q: (T) Didn’t we talk about this? That it is a bleedthrough from
dimensions... that when we think we have been someplace before, it
is because in
another dimension we have...
Q: (L) If you are now in a particular universe that has been created
and merged by 4th density STS, and there is still the old universe
existing, and you feel a connection, or a bridging, because some
alternate self is in that alternate universe, living through some
experience... or a similar thing?
A: No limits of possibilities.
Q: (L) So it can be any and all of those things, and bridging
realities of “past” and “future,” as well. Is it possible to change
the past within a discrete universe, or does every change imply a
new or alternate universe?
A: Discrete does not get it.
Q: (L) Well, within a particular, selected one of the universes, can
you go back in time, within that universe, change the past, and have
it change everything forward, still within that selected universe,
like a domino effect?
A: In such a case, yes.
(L) But, you said that if you want to change the past, you have
to create an alternate universe...
(T) No, you asked about changing
the past, and they said you have to create a temporary place to work
from, a position from which you can manipulate the reality...
A: That is for specialized activities.
Q: (L) So that creating of an alternate universe was for special
things, and not for a general historic change?
A: What was described is not the same as an “alternate universe.”
Q: (L) It is a temporary file that will go away when you are
finished loading the program. And that is not creating an alternate
universe, but rather a temporary dimension...
Q: (L) In our particular universe, what is the primary mode? Are we
constantly shifting and merging universe to universe, or is our past
being changed and reacting like the domino effect... at least in the
past few years...
(T) But, we wouldn’t know if the past has been
changed because we wouldn’t see it...
A: Measurements are inadequate.
Q: (L) How does that relate to my question? Which is happening? Is
our singular universe being changed as in a domino effect, or is it
continuously being merged with a new one and another and another...
(T) What you are asking for is a measurement.
(L) Is it that any and
all possibilities and will and do take place?
Q: (L) Can you clarify that any further for me?
A: No, because you would simply not grasp it.
Q: (T) It is part of the infrastructure of the universe which we are
in no way capable of understanding at this point. We can’t even get
Q: (L) Are the words “universe” and “dimension” synonymous?
A: Yes and no.
Q: (L) In what sense yes?
A: For you, these are “grey” areas, and no matter how hard you try,
perception shifts fundamentally, you ain’t going to get it!
Q: (J) I
guess it is a question of faith.
(L) Are all universes “Free Will”
A: If chosen.
Q: (L) Are there universes where everything is predestined?
A: Within the framework of a cyclical separation bond.
Q: (L) What is a “cyclical separation bond?” I think I’m getting in
over my head...
A: Only because “you ARE in over your heads.”
Q: (L) But you didn’t tell me what a cyclical separation bond is!
A: And if we do, you will ask: “What do you mean by that?”
Q: (L) Well, you are right about that.
(J) It’s like a little kid
“Daddy, why is there air?”
(L) Are there universes where time goes
in the other direction, as in universes of anti-matter?
Why do you ask this?
Q: (T) They have been telling us all along that there is no such
thing as time except as we perceive it.
(L) Well, I guess I just
meant “anti-matter” universe. Okay, there are 4 physical
A: No, three.
Q: (L) Okay, there are 3 physical densities, and the 4th is...
A: One is variable. Three Ethereal.
Q: (L) Okay, three that are physical, three ethereal, and one in
between that is both.
Q: (L) Do you go from 4th to 5th repeatedly until you are ready to
go to 6th, or do you go to 6th from 4th, or to 6th from 5th?
Because of already given data, that is elementary my dear,
Q: (L) I am NOT Martin anymore! So there!
A: You are in an alternate reality.
Q: (L) Oh, God! I don’t even want to THINK about that! That’s
horrible! Does this mean that when you gave me the word “NEW,” you
perhaps meant a new universe? A new reality?
(T) Well, you are
because you have changed. But we’re not.
A: Why does Njorrg always get the tough assignments?!?
Q: (T) Because you are lucky!
A: Mirth iz goot!
Q: (L) Stop laughing guys... is the entire universal system,
everything combined, similar to a dissipative structure, or is any
part of it similar to this?
Q: (L) Okay, in a general sense, and I know you are pulling out your
hair with me, if you had hair to pull, is there something that you
can tell us about what it is, other than awareness, that determines
your density level, like a transition point, like a flower breaking
open, or something erupting through a membrane, or is it something
that occurs more gradually? All of a sudden you hit a point of
awareness and “POP,” there you are?!
A: Too much.
Q: (L) Is awareness the only thing that determines what density one
Q: (L) What else?
(T) The way you make Christmas cookies...
A: Awareness is the bond that unites the reality.
Q: (L) You have said that the heat I feel is a “growing of fibers”
or a “bleedthrough” of the new reality, is that an effect that is
happening in a gradual way?
(T) It has to do with the approach of
(L) I don’t quite know how to ask this...
Because you do not quite know how to understand the answers.
Q: (L) You have said that gravity is the binder of all reality.
Q: And now you talk about perception bonding.
A: Yes. Now, try to picture how gravity is the binder of all
Q: (L) If gravity is the binder, is gravity consciousness?
A: Not exactly. Did you know that there is no “right” or “left” in
through 7th density? If you can picture this exactly, then you may
be able to understand the responses to all the questions you are
asking. If not, best “give it a rest.” Because it will only be
productive learning when you ponder and reflect/review “later.”
Q: (A) The C’s told Ruggero that our equations, that is physicists,
are only one seventh of the total. How should I interpret it?
Literally? That each of our equations should get an index, 1 thru 7,
and be modified appropriately?
A: One possibility. Ruggero was limiting to realm already partly
to say Good Night. You are fatigued.
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Q: And what name shall we use this evening?
Q: And where are you from?
Q: Is it alright if we have a short, private session tonight?
Q: Some of these questions may be rather moot, but I would like to
get some feedback. The first is about Freddie’s diet. Has he
received the correct diagnosis?
Is there anything about his diet that should be added or
subtracted that he is not presently doing?
A: Not as of yet.
Q: So, he is doing what he needs to be doing?
A: And guage by response.
Q: Now, anything in particular that I ought to do about my diet
A: Be specific.
Q: Um, is it alright to fast at the intervals I have been doing?
Q: Well, when I do eat I eat salads and so forth, so I think I am
alright. Now, last night I had a very strange experience where it
seemed that I was out of the body and doing backflips. Was this an
A: You have had these before.
Q: Was this what was happening last night?
Q: Well, it was fun last night! Is there any danger in medical tests
using radioactive isotopes, either by mouth or injected? Any
A: Only if repetitive.
So, having them at intervals over the years is NOT going to give a
person brain cancer or whatever?
A: Effect is similar to the radioactive exposure one receives from
Q: Now, Ark is having another hearing in the upcoming week and he
has learned from his attorney that A has consulted this woman
attorney. But, he had the idea that she was delaying the hearing so
that the dye would wear off her hair so she could create a dramatic
effect... is this the case?
A: If so, who do you suppose will buy it?
Q: Well, nobody, I guess. Is this hearing going to make any progress
in the case?
A: Progress is measured in various ways.
Q: I know that, but I want to know a general time frame in which
this will be accomplished.
A: Do you expect us to?
Q: I would LIKE to have a CLUE! Maybe not a time frame, but a CLUE!
A: It will not come faster if we tell you this. This is a good
lesson for all
involved When completed, you will understand things much more
clearly than you do now!
Q: Well, okay. I would like to find out about my own case. I have
NOT heard a word from this attorney. Is there anything I could do
that I have NOT thought of?
A: Have you contacted them every three days?
Q: No, not every three days. I was waiting to see what they were
going to do. Are you suggesting I should contact them every three days?
A: What happens to the proverbial squeaky wheel?
Q: In contacting them, what should be the approach: accusative, or
A: No “what’s the update guys?” Simply presenting yourself often
make you farmore valuable in the “settlement bin.”
Q: Why don’t I
just fire these guys and settle directly with the insurance company?
A: Not a good idea. Without legal assistance, you would be
“suspect” by the insurance company!!
Q: Okay. We have talked a
little bit about the Gulf Breeze Conference
THIS Spring being the one we are supposed to go to rather than the
one last year... This time, of course, Ark would be with us...
A: Yes, convince Ark to “foot the bill,” which he will do with
Q: Yes, I know he would like to go... but, there is a limit to how
much we can spend...
A: Won’t be that expensive.
Q: I had a dream the other night about Lewis. When he was here to
sign those papers the other day, he seemed to not even be connected
to reality. Then I had a dream about him coming into the house and
acting like a zombie and then walking up to a door and bashing his
face against the door frame until it was bloody. This was so
strange. I told Ark and he was concerned that L would go off the
deep end. Can you tell me anything about this? What is the present
condition of L?
A: We will just say, now would be a good “time” to be kind to
Q: When I am kind to him, he takes it the wrong way...
A: Won’t anymore. And remember, there are varying ways for one to be
Q: Anything further on his condition?
Is in a state of deterioration.
Q: If I am kind to him, will it help him to get better?
A: Will help to avoid all sorts of negative consequences.
Q: Is that consequences toward me and the children, or just him
Q: Anymore on this? This is causing me to be concerned!
A: Were you not before?
Q: Yes, I have been concerned on an ongoing basis. It seems that no
matter what I do, he takes it the wrong way.
A: Adjust your methodology, and make intentions clear!
Q: Is Ark going to have the same problem with A?
Q: When you say Lewis is deteriorating, do you mean mentally or
Q: When he fell, did he fall because the attachment that was
affecting me left and went to him?
Does he have a permanent brain injury as a result?
Q: Is this brain injury something that is deteriorating?
A: Not the injury, the after-effects.
What were the after-effects that are deteriorating?
Subdural hematoma recurrence.
Q: What effects can this cause?
Q: Oh, dear. Aside from just being kind, is there something I can do
A: Suggest that he see a specialist/change physicians... Not getting
help, either on “homefront,” or professionally.
Q: Okay. Anything further that we should know this evening?
Q: Mother has a couple of questions.
(Alice) Since you told me about
the past life experience, and that all of my problems have been
emotional, have all the mistakes that I have made been because that
is what I INTENDED to do in this life?
Q: Are you saying her question was scrambled, or that her life was
Q: (A) You straighten it.
(L) No, you have to do it. That’s part of
(A) Well, how was it scrambled? Were all the
mistakes I have made in this life part of a plan?
A: No. Mistakes are made by choice, plan is merely “blueprint.”
Q: So, she had a blueprint, and the mistakes were made by choice
because she made the wrong choices?
Well, I think that what she is trying to deal with here is her
guilt. She wants to know why she has lived her whole life making
these mistakes and messing everything up everytime she made a choice
to do something?
A: Must be specific as to mistakes, always!
Q: You must name specific mistakes and ask about them individually.
(A) Well, I am not prepared to do that. It is a blur. Just like they
said, everything in my head is scrambled.
A: Not prepared due to “shyness.” Remember, we told you about the
quest for love, acceptance, approval and to be “needed.” The reason
for the failure of the quest is being hasty, impatient and stubborn.
Q: Well, Mother has the most annoying habit of interrupting people
when they speak, because she assumes all the time that she knows
what is going to be said, and, in fact, she is rarely right, and
would receive ALL the information that she wants if she would just
be quiet and listen. Sort of the idea of the old saying: we have two
ears and one mouth so we can listen twice as much as we talk.
A: Judge not, lest ye...
Q: I understand that, but I am trying to help her to get to the
A: She must do this on her own.
Okay, any more questions?
(A) Well you know I have!
(L) Well, I
can’t help you.
(A) I don’t know where to start now.
(L) Well, start
at the point where they left you. They said you are hasty, impatient
and stubborn. Ask Why? And how can you overcome it?
(A) Why have I
been so hasty, impatient and stubborn?
A: Because of past life programming. You see, this is the challenge
those in third density existences. Some learn in any given lifetime,
and some do not!
Q: (A) But, I had never heard of it!
A: Not necessary. Just follow “the signs.”
Q: (A) Is it that I am so stubborn that I cannot see?
A: Have been; less so now.
Q: (A) How can I get out of this mess?
A: Silly question.
Q: (A) I didn’t mean it to be silly.
(L) Well, you have to want to
and work at it. It is NOT easy.
(A) Well, I’ve never SEEN any signs.
(L) Oh, don’t start THAT. You have had PLENTY of signs! Well, is
this past life experience that you described before, the same one
that is at the root of the stubbornness and hastiness?
Q: Can you add anything to what was told to clarify?
A: No, not necessary.
Q: Can you give her one or two hints or clues as to where she could
start to release some of this toxic emotion she lives with?
That is part of the lesson, but it really should be obvious.
Q: (A) Is this toxic emotion the problem?
Q: What else?
(A) Well, I can’t think how to ask anymore
(L) Then you should try to digest what you have. Okay,
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