March 10, 1996
Q: I have a number of questions that I want to get into tonight.
Freddie and I have been discussing the nature of attack. The first
thing I would like to ask is: I did a hypnosis session with (name
deleted) and utilized some of the Greenbaum techniques. She
responded in the affirmative. I was told that she several alter
personalities: “masterprogrammer, gatekeeper, Alpha, Beta, Theta and
Delta, zero,” and that there were over 3,000 installed programs.
Were these responses valid?
A: Validity is subjective.
Q: Does (name deleted) have over 3,000 of these “programs?”
A: Be careful of data which originates from sources which mislead.
Q: Which is the misleading source?
A: May mislead.
Q: Which is misleading: (name deleted) or the Greenbaum text?
A: No its the center of origin.
Q: That which I perceive a negative attachment?
A: This “subject” appears to be fragmented.
Q: So, (name deleted) is suffering from MPD?
A: Not that simple.
Q: Are her fragments caused by abductions?
A: She has had abductions and the like, but not the issue here. She
“searching,” and when one is searching...
Session interrupted by long distance phone conversation.
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March 13, 1996
Q: (L) Hello.
Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
Q: (L) And where are you from?
Q: (L) You once said that you are always with us. If so, then you
must have heard the earlier discussion to the effect that, since we
have been doing this project, the magazine and all that, it seems to
bring on the most awful attacks from every imaginable corner. I am
really tired. I get it from the people out there, and I get it here
at home. I’m tired of the dramas, I am tired of the complaints and
aggravation. I am tired of doing all the work, and everybody else
just coming up with more problems for me to solve. I am tired of
being sick. I am tired of pain. I am tired of not knowing the
answers. I am just tired. I am ready to stop. To quit. To just sit
in my room and vegetate. Any comment?
A: What do you want to know?
Q: (L) I want to know, if all of this activation of Murphy’s law is
going to stop.
A: This is not the problem.
Q: (L) Well, for beings who are supposed to be able to read minds,
you aren’t helping much! Why don’t you just read my mind and tell me
what I need to know?
A: You need to read your own mind!
Q: (L) Considering the state of mind I am in right now, that almost
sounds like a facetious answer!
Q: (L) What is in my mind?
A: Ask yourself. Discover.
Q: (L) Well, the closest I can come is to say that I am suffering
from the most serious loss of faith I can ever remember
experiencing. SV and her mother. PZ and the games with getting the
magazine printed. The school board. The lunatics at ISCNI. ML...
A: We warned you that there would be attack.
Q: (L) I am at the point that I don’t want any more attack. We can
stop the channeling, the writing, the internet... everything. I just
want to quit.
A: And what do you think that would do for you?
Q: (L) Well, maybe some of the attack would stop.
A: And maybe not!!
Q: (L) Then I need you to tell me what I can do. I am drowning here!
I need to know how to shield myself.
A: Re-aim direction somewhat.
Q: (L) Toward what?
A: Ask yourself.
Q: (L) Obviously, since the magazine has been so incredibly
stressful, doing everything with no help. I guess I will have to
give it up.
A: If you wish, or perhaps change format?
Q: (L) Change the format to what?
A: Anything that brings less stress.
Q: (L) Well, the whole point of doing it was to create a vehicle for
the transcripts. And that seems to be what is causing the stress,
because people just don’t want to hear it!
A: That is not true, it is how it is presented!!
Q: (L) We sent it out to hundreds of addresses. I have a mailing
list. It cost a fortune for the bulk mail permit and the postage,
not to mention the printing. I sent one to D and Val and tons of
other people. D told me the other night that Val called him and said
that he just didn’t want anything to do with the material because it
was so choppy and disorganized. It was a mess.
A: If the magazine is just our messages, would not this be less
Q: (L) Well, there won’t be another issue if it is going to be this
stressful. My point was to get enough in there so that a broad range
of people would be interested and subscribe.
A: Is your “point” the only one?
Q: (L) Of course not! But I’m the one who has fallen heir to this
and I am just doing the best I can without a whole Hell of a lot of
A: Because you wish to direct without guidance.
Q: (L) Now wait a minute! That is NOT fair. I have asked for
guidance and was told to figure it out myself. This is what I did
according to what I thought was the best way to do it!
A: We are trying to help you, not hinder, but you must be willing to
what is being said. And this requires willingness to have faith and
really be guided. Not good to “get lost,” as can happen when other
problems intercede, such as prejudice and the lack of conduit
mindset, i.e. obsession.
Q: (L) This is precisely what I am getting
at here. How does one maintain a conduit mindset, or lack of
obsession, or any of these other things; those are not the problems,
those are only the results of the problems. The problems are the
attack, such as the situation with my mother, SV and all of her
problems, the kids, the husband, the magazine, PZ and Pk...
A: Try to avoid encumbrances, when at all possible. Also, suggest
that you try
to stop trying to solve problems for others, especially when your
instincts tell you this! Remember, all are on a different learning
“schedule,” or path.
Q: (L) Well, that is all fine and good, but
when other people’s problems interfere with getting the work done,
the magazine out, and having peace of mind, so that I can focus, it
is hard for me to not try and help and solve these problems!
A: Now, give an example of how one’s problems interfere with getting
magazine published, please.
Q: (L) Well, PZ’s kid in the printshop, being unable to keep any
part of the process straight, much less keep his head on straight,
caused me to have to go down there repeatedly and work like a
lunatic physically assembling copy just so it would be done in time.
And this was AFTER spending 18 hours a day typing or formatting! I
can assure you that, had I not done so, there would be no
magazine... meanwhile SV is acting like a jerk because her mother is
acting like a jerk... come on! You guys can see this stuff!!!
A: We can also “see” what you cannot!
Q: (L) Which is why I am sitting here asking. And why I asked you
before... and all you gave me was ‘open,’ and ‘up to you’ and ‘wait
and see.’ And now, I am physically exhausted, worn out, I have been
constantly sick for months... You could have just told us! SV could
have left her mother in the nursing home! I just want to crawl into
a hole and QUIT!!!
A: If we had told you that, you would not have learned!!!
Q: (L) You could have just told me that SV was a flake to begin
with, and that she would cause me all this grief!
Q: (L) I know it is subjective and I don’t really mean it that way,
but if SV had been doing what was her own responsibility and not
continuously crying to me on the phone, or coming over here and
putting guilt trips on me... then I could have handled what I needed
to... and she hasn’t done a damn thing she didn’t want to do, and I
am the one that’s paying for it!
A: If you had done nothing, the situation would have solved itself.
Q: (L) I hate to tell you this, but not helping people when they
call and ask for help sounds like a pretty STS position.
Q: (L) I’m sorry, but that is what it sounds like. To say to
somebody: ‘that’s your problem, sayonara!’ Doesn’t sound very
helpful to me!
A: That is not what needs to be said.
Q: (L) I am very offended by a lot of things that have happened. I
offended by the fact that when I asked SV to do one tiny little
thing for me,
which was to go to the store after I had been up for over 24 hours
doing lay-out, and get me a ream of paper... she couldn’t do it because she
had a stiff
neck. And, she said this to me! Me, with pus running out of my eyes.
And I am
offended by PZ and her hours and hours of complaining, and any
single thing that
she could do herself to straighten her own affairs, she completely
or does the opposite. And SV did not handle her mother with the
result that my
mother was calling me on the phone and essentially saying, you got
me into this,
it is terrible, and what are you going to do? And, in a sense, she was
felt responsible. I believed SV, SV lied to me, and everything got
A: If your focus had been on the poject only, none of these problems
resulted. And, furthermore, this is not an STS stance. Nothing of
the sort!!! If you listen to your inner “voice,” it is easy to
differentiate between an actual request for helpful assistance, and
just another trap, otherwise known as a portal of attack.
Q: (L) Well, do you understand the rock and the hard place concept?
I was not in a position to help my mother, and I am still human.
And, I didn’t like seeing SV’s mother suffer and do without, either.
It seemed like such an ideal solution.
A: Interesting alternative: what if you had suggested to SV that her
in with her?
Q: (L) I did suggest that.
Q: (L) Well, we said that she would have to give up her job and her
life to take care of her mother and she couldn’t do it.
A: And this is the crux: if that were true, SV then would have had
to have found
an alternative which was always open to her. Also, your mother had
other alternatives open to her, but chose to “sit back” and let you
handle it, as you have always done. This is a karmic circle, which,
though dificult, accelerates the learning process, thus soul
progress and karmic advancement.
Q: (L) Well, I felt some sense of
obligation to help SV because she was always buying me and the kids
things and bringing them over and insisting that I keep them. What
were her motives?
A: “Buying your friendship.” Still continues...
Q: (L) Well, there are other things here that are related to this
issue here. I was not able to buy some of those things, and she knew
it. I was sinking a LOT of money in the magazine, and that leads to
another problem. Finances. And this seems to be an ongoing portal of
attack here! A whole lot of problems would be solved if I did not
have to worry about survival!
A: We have told you we would help with the finances, and have, and
to do so.
Q: (L) Okay, is the magazine, as it is done, going to work out and
carry itself forward?
A: We suggest being open to alterations.
Q: (L) It can be altered next time... but not now, it is printed.
A: Okay. How a book can be created... just concentrate on editing
and nothing else, with each issue, unless camera ready “canned”
copy, and at the end, just consolidate for publisher!!
Q: (L) Okay. I already thought of that. Okay. Before we stop for the
night, I want to ask one question that is unrelated to all we have
been discussing. I asked once before about ‘nephilim genes,’ and you
said ‘you don’t want to know.’ So, let me make a statement. We
already know that people get used for ‘lunch’ or experiments, to be
tossed into the blender, milked for emotional energy, made to suffer
in infinite ways for infinite reasons. And, we are not talking about
something to which I am very much attached, in terms of these
missing babies of mine, because it was a long time ago. But, what I
would like to know is, what is it about these Nephilim children when
I asked if I had children with Nephilim genes that made you respond
A: What specifically?
Q: (L) I don’t know. So, we will shelve it. I am exhausted. Good
End of Session
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March 23, 1996
Freddie, Freddie, V
[The very beginning of the second side of the tape has a noise
anomaly as follows; it starts out sounding like the taped voices are
soft, far away and coming from the bottom of a well. This clears up;
the voices are clearer and nearer. Then, they sound far away and
faint again. This continues; on the tape recorder’s speakers you can
actually “hear” the rotation from one speaker to the other. It
almost sounds like either the microphone or the people speaking are
actually ‘spinning’ around each other. It was checked out on another
tape recorder, one with only one speaker, and it is not on the other
side of the tape, so it is not a physical aberration of the tape
itself, or my tape recorder. JR.]
Q: (L) Hello. Is anybody there?
A: Fopilion from Cassiopaea.
Q: (L) Good evening to you, we are glad you came to join us. We have
some situations we want to look at, and then we want to ask some
questions of a more universal nature. Is that all right for the
Q: (L) What’s the maybe refer to?
A: Your inquiry.
Q: (L) The first inquiry I have is our situation relating to SV, and
the different clues that we have received, and the different
observations that I have made myself, and the discussions or the
networking interactions that we have had on the subject. Can you
tell us anything in a general way, or do we really have to ask
specific questions about the subject?
A: SV is storehouse of vital information, clue for you was in name,
failed to notice!
Q: (L) OK, but SV...
A: This is why the frustration is for you; nothing of value comes
Q: (L) Number one, SV has lied to us. Number two, it seems that she
began to demonstrate emotional affect, after we had discussed the
fact that there was a serious lack of emotional affect after you had
told us that these robot people are people who spend a lot of time
alone and have...
A: The price, my dear, continues...
Q: (V) By continuing the relationship?
A: The Nordic Covenant was a duality.
Q: (L) SV comes from that area where that Nordic covenant, what is
it, Minnesota, she’s from Minnesota? Oh, I never made that
connection! Holy Frijoles! ‘Nordic Covenant was a duality’ ... so,
when you made mention of the Nordic Covenant, and the banking
scandal, was that a double-layered statement to us?
A: Maybe, but you are missing the point! All persons of Nordic
secret power centers, can be of darkness, or of light... SV is of
Teutonic bloodline leading directly to such super power source such
as Thule Society and others, and she is aware of her powers and
mission. It is of positive orientation. However, you are being
tested by 4th through 6th density forces to determine if you have
the strength and wisdom for continuance!
Q: (L) The whole thing just
doesn’t make sense... I mean, with that nasty red aura she has...
A: Red aura needs much further study on your part. Your sources for
information could be deceiving you.
Q: (L) Well then...
A: And we are the Cassiopaeans, but it is of your will to live as
Q: (L) Well... Then why was she told by you guys, that if she didn’t
do certain things that it would lead to her total undoing?
A: Go back and study that message again, with assistance of tape,
and with mind
open to all angles. Check intent, however, malice is in absence.
Notice the difference. The duality of covenant!!!
Q: (L) Well, Freddie is of Nordic extraction. Is he a member of this
Q: (F) If so, it’s news to me.
(Laughs) (L) Do you say she is aware
of her mission?
A: Some are.
Q: (L) Is her mother something in the way to block her from
performing her mission?
A: Mother is inconsequential.
Q: (V) Her mother, her adopted mother... inconsequential. Ok, so
A: Curious how background is murky, yes!
Q: (L) Yes, that is curious.
(V) Something tells me that this can go
(L) Well, yes, but they were also talking about her
birth, and her adoption, and all that kind of thing in another
session. Stuff that’s so unclear, she doesn’t know anything about
it, and claims she doesn’t. So strange... Is SV a ‘walk-in?’
A: Not correct terminology.
Q: (L) Well, then what is the correct terminology? What is SV?
Q: (L) Now, what does that mean?
Q: (L) Are you saying that when we make mention of the Nordic
Covenant and the Thule Society, that there’s some possibility that
SV has been programmed, or has layers of programs, and that some
part of her program knows what she’s doing, and maybe other parts
A: Yes, but this is not a negative thing.
Q: (L) Okay, now let me go a little bit deeper. Could SV be what you
described as a robot person, but programmed for a positive purpose?
A: No, robot “people” do not have bloodlines.
Q: (L) So, this is something that’s programmed genetically in a
A: Not exactly, those that have the bloodline have the corresponding
Q: (L) We are talking about a genetic bloodline that activates
certain abilities and genes that interface with the corresponding
soul that has prepared for this manifestation of the bloodline?
Q: (L) Is there any significance to the fact that SV spent all of
those years living with the Outlaws Motorcycle gang and this
A: Yes, and that is what has led and is leading to the destruction
“Outlaws,” a group associated directly with 4th density STS.
Her presence there caused them to break up? This was a good thing.
Is this what is meant here? That her presence was uplifting to them?
(L) Well, it’s not uplifting them, it’s breaking them; they are all
going to jail!
A: Yes and because of circumstances planted by “Agent SV.” This is
perceived lack of emotion connected with that whole situation.
Vitale is the bravest human you have ever known! All evidence to the
contrary is veil; part of the testing process.
Q: (L) If we’re being tested, why are you telling us?
(V) So that
you do not fail?
Q: (L) Is SV aware that this is going on?
A: Vital that you do not fail.
Q: (V) Is SV aware that ...
Q: (V) Is there a pivotal word that might break this open to a
Q: (L) Now, when we were flying back home, and we were flying
through that storm, was that storm, which began before we left, and
we flew through it on the way back, was that a byproduct or
bleedthrough of a battle between the forces?
Q: (L) Was it trying to harm us in any way, because we had to fly
and couldn’t fly over it? I mean, even the pilot was worried, and he
had been flying for years!
Q: (L) What brought it to an end?
A: Vitale. Notice how “unaffected” she was?!?
Q: (L) I told you that the whole thing about being scared was a
(F) Yes, she was scared on the way up, when there was nothing
to be scared of, and on the way back, when we were bouncing around
like a pinball in a pinball machine, she’s sleeping, I’m getting
sick, and Laura’s going ‘Ride em, cowboy!!!!’ [All laughed] (L) Ok,
so how are we supposed to react to this situation?
A: Up to you.
Q: (L) OK, we knew that was coming. It wouldn’t have been a good
night without it!
(V) Some things never change, huh?
Freddie seems to think there’s a whole lot more there in terms of
background than she was letting on. Is that correct?
Q: (L) Well, ok, I’m going to trust you guys, and I’m going to go
with the flow, and I’m going to assume that you are right, and I’m
going to assume that this is for the best and for the good, and I’m
going to stop my knee jerk reactions, and stop worrying about such
A: Suggest you look before you leap. All can be wrong in their quick
whether the result be acceptance or rejection. All is not as it
seems... Remember, those that come into your group, or your circle
of influence can be different than you think.
Q: (L) You said we were being tested. Tested for what?
Q: (L) Continuance of what?
Q: (L) Continuance of all. Ok, and we are being tested through SV?
Q: (L) Are you saying that what we have been considering attacks
were just tests?
A: The ones associated with Vitale. And no, all with that name are
not of this
orientation, but this clue was installed for you.
Q: (L) Are you saying that SV is our 4th density Nordic?
Q: (V) Maybe just by the purpose of her being, she’s vital for you!
(L) OK, Whitley Streiber wrote back and told me that he was familiar
with this school that I experienced in the dream and I think I asked
you guys about this once, and you said I needed to discover some
more about it. He says that he is familiar with all of it...
A: All is not as delivered.
Q: (L) He says that he is one of the patriarchal dudes who was
Q: (L) Well, my feeling is that this was a school on an astral
level, it was a school of a higher density, that it was not ever a
physical, 3rd density school. That was my impression of it, and that
I was being sent forth from another density, to experience, after
being instructed by this group of patriarchal type beings. Is that
Q: (L) So, the school that Whitley describes, and him thinking that
he is one of the higher density beings, he’s misinterpreting this as
a physical school. Is that correct?
Q: (L) Is he, is he, well... They’re not going to answer that one,
are they? Why do I even bother thinking that I’m going to slide that
A: Now, for the remainder of this session, we wish to address the so
earth changes for your benefit, as you are stuck here. Those present
need to be equi... [Sound anomaly on tape begins here, on second
side.] ...pped to stop buying into popular deceptions once and for
Q: (L) Funny I took him off the shelf today...
(V) What’s Bramley about?
Well, hold on. Do you want me to read it right now?
Q: (L) Ok, address the subject.
A: All such changes are caused by three things and three things
only! 1) Human
endeavors. 2) Cosmic objects falling upon or too near earth. 3)
Planetary orbital aberrations.
Q: (L) All right, carry on.
A: Don’t believe any of the nonsense you hear from other sources. It
to facilitate mass programming and deception.
Q: (L) Ok, okay.
A: Just as your bible says; “You will know not the day, nor the
means there is no warning. None. No clue. No prophecy. And these
events... [anomaly starts again here, briefly.] are of the “past” as
[and ends here.]
Q: (V) What events of the past, as well?
A: Cosmic and “man made” cataclysms.
Q: (L) Well, since you put ‘man-made’ at the top of the list, am I
to infer that perhaps some of the activities of the consortium, the
secret government, are going to precipitate some of these events?
Q: (L) Yes. Okay, is there any more that you want to say on this? Go
ahead, you have the floor. Please.
A: Ask away.
Q: (L) Well, you’ve said that there’s a comet cluster that’s coming
this way. Is that still correct?
Q: (L) Is this body that has been called Hale-Bopp, is this that
Q: (L) Is this comet cluster that’s coming, and you’ve indicated
that it could arrive anywhere between 18 years, something like that,
is that correct?
Q: (L) Now, is this something that can be seen from a great way off?
Q: (L) Is this something that’s going to impact our particular
immediate location, and appear suddenly, as this comet that has
flown overhead just did? Nobody saw it until a very short time ago,
and all of a sudden everybody sees it?
A: The cluster is a symptom, not the focus.
Q: (V) What is the focus?
A: Wave, remember, is “realm border” crossing... what does this
your knowledge base for Latin roots and proceed.
Q: (L) So, the Latin root of realm is regimen, which means a domain
or rulership or a system for the improvement of health. Does this
mean that, and as I assume we are now moving into the STO realm,
now, out of the STS realm?
Q: (L) And also, can I infer from this, that the comet cluster
exists in the other realm?
Q: (L)Well, previously, you had said that the comet cluster would
come before the realm border. Which indicated that the comet...
Q: (L) Well, how can something so... you said it appears to be one
single large body, and that our government knows that it’s on it’s
way, and that apparently somebody has spotted it. Which direction is
it coming from?
Q: (L) Well, the comet cluster. That comet cluster, is, I am
assuming, a real body, in third density experience, right? A part of
a real cluster of bodies in third density experience. Is that
A: Cluster can approach from all directions.
Q: (L) So, can I infer from what has been said, that we are going to
this comet cluster, as into a realm?
A: Border changes rules.
Q: (L) But if we run into the comet cluster before we cross the
border, then, I mean, I would understand if we were going into the
realm border first...
A: Part in part out.
Q: (L) OK, is this so-called HAARP project instrumental in any of
these realm border changes, these realm changes?
A: All is interconnected, as usual.
Q: (L) Anybody got any questions on this? What is the thing that is
going on nowadays... let me ask about this. Roxanne sent me some
information about the Do-ma, or space goddesses who rule the grays,
supposedly. Apparently there is a whole group of people, including
government officials, involved in this Do-ma cult.
A: Yeah, right!
Q: (L) Well, that was my feeling. I sent...
A: Deception is everywhere! Scrambled brains, anyone?
Q: (L) Gotcha. I sent several chunks of the Cassiopaean transcripts
off to Frank DeMarco. As I was requested to...
A: Wait and see.
Q: (L) In a nutshell, could you tell us what the re-emerging goddess
images represent, nowadays?
Q: (L) Freddie, is there anything you need to know?
(V) I just want
to know if they have anything they want to share with me, tha’s all.
They know what all my questions are.
A: Open to all possibilities. Rigidity does not pay!
Q: (V) What are they talking about?
(L) I guess that last comment
was for everybody. Be open to all possibilities. OK, well, we’ll
stop for the night. Goodnight.
End of Session
[After the termination of the session, I had doubts about some
things relating to SV, so I asked for the C’s to come back and
Q: Hello. Are you there. I am not comfortable with this
information about SV.
It seems to be contradictory to everything I can observe and feel.
A: Hiklu Cassiopaea. Worry not further! Discomfort is not
and is indicative of growth and learning. So, proceed and
End of Session
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March 29, 1996
Q: (L) Who do we have with us this evening?
Q: (L) And where are you from?
Q: (L) In the past week I have been going through some fairly severe
trauma because of certain ideas and realizations I have been forced
A: Stress, yes, trauma, no.
Q: (L) Well, it has felt traumatic to me. The first question I would
ask is: in reading and analyzing the Bluebeard fairytale as a map of
consciousness, am I correct in my understanding, that I am basically
living the life of Bluebeard’s wife?
A: Close enough for now.
Q: (L) My application of this map of consciousness, so to speak, is
not only in the area of my marriage, but also a number of other
interactions. Is this correct as I understand it?
Q: (L) What part is the maybe?
A: Learning is a complex process, answers follow study.
Q: (L) I studied the situation at length. One of the first things I
determined was that my assessment on...
A: Interference from blossomer nearby.
Q: (L) Do you mean right now?
Q: (L) [Child was discovered nearby, sent to bed.] What kind of
interference do you get from a ‘blossomer,’ as you call them?
A: Soul discharges caused by efforts made by influences attracted by
attempting to take over body of child in order to experience
sensation of total euphoria!!
Q: (L) So, as a general rule, is this euphoria produced by watching
A: Can be enhanced. Warning!! Littlest one is most susceptible to
possession by extremely STS oriented forces during sessions, and
must be kept away at all costs!!!! There have been instnaces where
perceived health disturbances by this one and others have been, in
reality, up to 30 percent possession! Lungs are the “weak link,” and
it is your psychic abilities that have caused the troubles in the
Q: (L) You mean that what I am doing is causing problems for my
Q: (L) Then why have my psychic abilities caused health troubles in
A: Because you were less aware at that point, and your abilities
went into a
Q: (L) Well, it seems to me that I have a strong tendency to
manifest my psychic and emotional state physically; not only in my
own body, but also in manifestations and events around me.
Q: (L) Back when we first moved into this house, we had a burgler
break in during the night. I have always been troubled by the fact
that a strange man broke into my house, the symbology of it. The
other night, I was reading about dreams of people breaking into
one’s house being a warning that there is extreme danger from the
deep subconscious. These dreams always have a strong physiological
manifestation. Well, I had an ‘intruder dream,’ and it WAS like
this. But then, I thought about the actual intruder being a
psychically manifested warning in the flesh.
Q: (L) Was the fact that it could manifest in a physical way any
kind of indication of the seriousness of the threat?
Q: (L) Is there any particular thing that I ought or could do to
further protect the children?
A: Open, but suggestion would be to organize more.
Q: (L) In what sense?
A: The children.
Q: (L) I don’t understand. Do you mean being more strict in terms of
Q: (L) In the sense of bedtime rituals or something? Prayers?
A: Maybe, but also other.
Q: (L) Limiting watching television?
A: We have told you some things...
Q: (L) Okay...
A: Imagine an interruption that leads to problems.
Q: (L) Are you saying that ‘idle hands are the Devil’s tools?’
A: No, because free will is paramount.
Q: (L) Just give me more of a hint.
Q: (L) Send them to bed before we channel?
A: Up to you.
Q: (L) Is Ali also susceptible?
A: Not blossoming.
Q: (L) Are they alright in their bedrooms?
Q: (L) Does it have something to do with physical distance?
Q: (L) Are you saying that their awareness of what we are doing
establishes the connection?
Q: (L) And I should organize them more. So, I should have them ready
and in bed before we work.
Q: (L) Back to my question: the intruder dream the other night was
VERY disturbing. In the dream, I tried to wake my husband to tell
him that some one or something was in our house, I discovered that
he was paralyzed. He was like my friend Keith... can you help me
with this image?
A: Learning is fun!
Q: (L) Well, it was not fun! My heart was about to pound out of my
chest, and I ended up sitting in a chair half the night. There was a
realization that I have been being drained by a lot of people for a
A: Yours to look and discover. Not ours to help you “cheat!”
Q: (L) No cheating, huh. I can’t look at the answers in the back of
the book. Okay, let me ask you this: is there any significance to
the fact that L’s mother’s maiden name was Rheindress?
Q: (L) Well, you are not helping! I have been seeing things so
completely differently lately. I even see that you have given all
sorts of clues about this that just went over my head...
A: Laura, please learn just to trust your expanding insights. They
will bring you to ever increasing knowledge and ability. But, you
want us to lead you by the hand. All this can do is ultimately lead
this channel and conduit into an STS vehicle!
Q: (L) That is not what I am trying to do here! I am trying to
expand on a learning experience to help other people.
A: You have the ability to do that all on your own!! Cannot you see
Q: (L) I am still in the process of making major changes
in my life based on such insights...
A: And, how do you feel when you make a decision to make one of
Q: (L) It hurts to make some decisions, even if I
feel that it is the right thing to do. It can be painful and scary.
Q: (L) Definitely relief!
Q: (L) I have some little hope that maybe something else will happen
to help with the work if I make sure that my own life is clean. I am
cutting off my financial support, and that is frightening. But,
right now, I had another thought... I recently received some
information about the Denver Airport. It seems that there is
confirmation that this Airport does have some connection to
something very mysterious. And, you brought this up in the very
first contact. Is there something more on this?
A: Wait and see.
Q: (L) I also learned that the sighting of flying boomerangs over in
quite some years back, was also accompanied by messages that came
board to some kids in a town some distance away, and that those
very similar to some of what we have received. In fact, the opening
were warnings about alien bases! I am very curious about that. There
were so many things about that particular case that are so similar
in dynamics... When something very negative happens in the Earth,
does it necessarily make an opening for a balancing of positive
Q: (L) Can you tell me anything else about it? The Clapham Wood
incident back in the 70’s?
Q: (L) Well, that is not helping me.
A: It is, but not as you think. Stonehenge power. Vortex. Magnetic
principles understood by you when you occupied other bodies, ask
Hilliard, ole boy.
Q: (L) There have been a number of hints that
Hilliard has some knowledge that he may be withholding. Does he have
knowledge that is important, and how can I persuade him to tell me?
A: Massive, and probe directly after promising absolute
confidence... and don’t break it!!!
Q: (L) Okay, I will. Well, back to the situation. I am between a
rock and a hard place.
A: Not really.
Q: (L) Easy for you to say.
A: Wait and see.
Q: (L) Well, rereading back over the transcripts, there seems to be
some very interesting stuff about the Thule Society and some things
about a Nordic Covenant, and this seems to be very mysterious and
connected with activities going on in Antarctica. Well, I read the
place where it was said that the Lizard beings were slaves and pets
of the Orions. That seems to be extremely significant.
A: When you get money, pay someone to transcribe.
Q: (L) I will do
it myself as quickly as possible... SV was supposed to help me with
this... but obviously she is fading from the picture here...
Maybe, maybe not, you are not completely incontrol of all possible
Q: (L) Well, however things work, I don’t really care right
now. As soon as I can see again, I will get back to transcribing. I
have sent some samples out to a couple of places. I have had some
VERY positive responses...
A: Have fun!
Q: (L) What is that supposed to mean? I don’t like the sound of
that! The other day when you said ‘celebrate!’ all I did was suffer!
A: Stop suffering!
Q: (L) I can’t help it! I feel so sorry for L! He is a master at
being a victim! It tears me apart! Back to my questions. Is the
Nordic Covenant what has charge of this genetic project to prepare a
‘breeding ground’ for the Nephilim?
Q: (L) What does the Nordic Covenant do?
Q: (L) How am I supposed to do that? I can see myself going up to
somebody: “Hi! Are you a member of the Nordic Covenant? I’d like to know what
is going on in your head?! What do you think about?” Right! Well, I
am tired. Anything else for the protection of the children?
A: We have told you.
Q: (L) Anything I need to know about my situation? I feel pretty
A: Has it been “desperate” before?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: Did you turn into dust?
Q: (L) No, but I thought I would!
A: What about your settlement?
Q: (L) God knows when that will happen! You won’t tell me!
A: If we did, you’d become a “softie.”
Q: (L) It seems that over the course of time, you have turned us
more and more in the direction of learning on our own. Does this
mean that it is winding down to come to a halt?
Q: (L) Can you tell me what this means?
A: You needed more assistance earlier.
Q: (L) Well, am I correct in the MPD idea regarding SV?
A: Pursue with an open mind and cross check all analyses.
Okay. I am concerned about the baby. Should I do a spirit release
Q: (L) Well, her lungs seem to be pretty reactive right now. She is
having a rough time right now.
A: Regulate diet, it is abysmal!!
Q: (L) What about her diet?
A: Sugar, out!!! Fats reduced, leafy vegetables increased, sleep
Q: (L) Okay, speaking of diet... the Atkins diet seems
to be logical... but it increases fats and proteins.
A: Waistline okay, heart smart?! Naah!
Q: (L) You talked once about passing a test, that I was being tested
in some way... that this had something to do with SV... I would like
to know if this was the test?
Q: (L) Well, I have to get up early, and my mind is drifting, so I
will say good night.
A: Good night.
End of Session
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April 24, 1996
Q: (L) Hello. Is it okay to work in this room since Ali has taken
our work room tonight?
A: Necessities produce changes.
Q: (L) And who do we have with us tonight?
Q: (L) And where are you transmitting from?
Q: (L) I would like to deal with certain issues relating to the
progress of this “mission” or “project” as you have described it. As
you know, we have experienced serious disruptions and “attack” in
recent months. I came to a conclusion that my husband is a robot
person. But, I am not going to ask you to confirm or deny that. I
came to that idea through information in the transcripts. What I do
want to know is: is it likely now that much of the attack will cease
since that energy has been removed from my environment?
but not necessarily in the ways you think!
Q: (L) Well, since I have
been through such a terrible ordeal in the past year, what is there
to encourage me?
Q: (L) Okay, is my husband a robot person?
A: Listen. Open.
Q: (L) What do I need to listen to?
Q: (L) Am I going to see something?
A: Robot or not, all are programmed.
Q: (L) All are programmed including myself and Freddie?
Q: (L) Well, considering a lot of my internal experiences, I had
already come to this conclusion. What is the objective of this
programming? A: It is too complex to explain yet.
Q: (L) What was the source or cause of the complete loss of my voice
A: Q plasma bacterial infection. Ask Wu.
Q: (L) You mean Dr. Vu?
A: Yes. Pronounced Wu in southern oriental inflective tone. [Yes, it
IS Wu, and
I DID ask. This is a definition of an “unknown” or “unidentifiable”
bacteria which the medical profession labels “quelle” to indicate
its unknown origin.]
Q: (L) I was analyzing some of the material
regarding the recent episode with SV and her mother. To this point,
she still has done none of the things that you advised her to do in
response to her requests for advice. I told her that I was very
angry that she took so much of my time and energy and still did none
of the things advised, resulting in EVERYONE being upset. Now, I had
someone call me and tell me that SV was involved in some sort of
coven or very dark organization. I just have a very difficult time
believing this. How can she speak so disparagingly of such things
and then, be a part of such? Yet, the source of the information knew
things that “clicked” and could not possibly have been said unless
this was true. Is it possible that SV could have multiple
personalities and one of her other “selves” is doing this? As in
Q: (L) Is it possible for either Freddie or I to be involved in such
and not be aware of it?
A: Yes, but it is not that.
Q: (L) Does that mean that there IS some other thing that we are
involved in, in some other aspects of our selves, that we are not
Q: (L) Is this something that happens in altered states or in sleep
A: Not happens, happened.
Q: (L) Something that happened in the past?
A: Laura, you need to consult a powerful, practiced, effective
unlock these questions for you.
Q: (L) Is this something I could do for Freddie in the meantime?
Obviously Freddie could have a big piece of the puzzle locked up in
A: Both of you and others. The locks have been installed in such a
way that it
is literally impossible for you to unlock them, as they were
installed with full knowledge of present circumstances.
Q: (L) Who installed these locks?
A: Supremely powerful STS consortium!!
Q: (L) And what circumstances were they aware of, as you have
mentioned, when they installed these locks?
Q: (L) You are the Cassiopaeans, correct?
Q: (L) And you are STO?
Q: (L) And you are telling us that we have locks on knowledge
installed in us,
installed by supremely powerful STS consortium. Can we not, in our
conscious state, reject this programming, and ask you to inform us
of this information?
A: Not possible!
Q: (L) What is not possible?
A: What you just asked.
Q: (L) You mean we can’t change our minds, or you can’t inform us?
A: Incorrect analysis.
Q: (L) Give me the correct analysis.
A: You cannot unlock, and we cannot tell you details of what, or
Q: (L) Why can you not tell us?
A: Free will violation, and endangerment of you if done thusly.
Q: (L) Is there some way to do it that does not endanger us?
A: We have told you.
Q: (L) Is it a danger to us to NOT unlock these things?
A: In a sense.
Q: (L) When I was kidnapped at the age of 3 or 4 in Jacksonville,
how many days
was I missing. My mother simply has a blank about it, which amazes
A: 12 days.
Q: (L) Who was it that kidnapped me?
Q: (L) Who was Jan?
A: Corps member.
Q: (L) What corps is this?
A: Select division of economic legion under control of G5.
Q: (L) Economic legion? What is G5?
Q: (L) What was the purpose of this kidnapping?
A: To install self-destruct programming.
Q: (L) So, this Jan was known to us as “Cecil Brien.”
Q: (L) And he more or less overwhelmed my mother and persuaded her
to marry him just to get at me? I find this to be incredible!
A: It was easy at the time. She was vulnerable.
Q: (L) So, I have a “self-destruct” program. And Freddie has one
A: Similar, but not an exact copy so as to mask.
Q: (L) Was Freddie abducted in a similar fashion?
A: Close, but not exactly.
Q: (L) Was Freddie’s pneumonia when he was a child, that nearly
killed him, part of this self-destruct program?
Q: (L) Was Freddie’s father also programmed?
Q: (L) Well. I think we can safely assume that every member of our
families have had some sort of program installed, if only to
facilitate our programming. This whole situation is beginning to
sound inexpressibly grim.
A: Grim?!? You have lived decades after these episodes! How many
Multiples of millions!
Q: (L) That is why I am saying it is pretty damn grim...
A: And it is part of a natural process, do not forget.
Q: (L) Well, we need some help from the good guys. Or, is it that
unless we can figure it out we are stuck?
Q: (L) It sounds so dreadful. We need some help here. I am becoming
A: You only need knowledge.
Q: (L) Have any of my children been programmed?
Q: (L) My daughter A has been going through a terrible time. I have
taken her to the doctors several times. Can you tell me what is
wrong with her?
A: Desire for acceptance.
Q: (L) What will help?
A: Patience. She is headstrong.
Q: (L) You can say THAT again! Recently I talked to a fellow who was
telling me about discovering the trainload of Nazi treasures in a
cave in the Harz Mountains. He was asking for investors. If I were
to get my settlement in time, ought I to invest in this?
A: Does herpetologist study his/her subject by travelling naked into
Q: (L) Okay, that settles that. What about the settlement?
A: Your settlement is being delayed by those purporting to be on
Q: (L) Is LM going to give me any further problem?
A: Not if you “cut him loose” completely.
Q: (L) What does that mean?
A: Give him ultimate freedom.
Q: (L) Well, I want to have a little direction here.
A: Concentrate on settlement. This can be a problem solver if
handled wisely, a
curse if not so! Use some of the funds to locate a
Q: (L) Who might this person be? A clue?
Q: (L) Is there some progress that we can make on our own?
Q: (L) Give me a clue... I want something that will blow me off my
chair and enrich my life which is so grim... produce knowledge that
will protect me...
A: Won’t succeed until locks are blown off in proper way.
Q: (L) Well, I hope I survive until then.
A: Refer to previous answer.
Q: (L) If you guys were here, I’d throw something at you!
A: We’d dodge!
Q: (L) Well, you see my problem here... I guess I just want to know
that there is someone out there who cares...
A: You should by now.
Q: (L) Then you guys ought to get behind my lawyer and jack him
A: We do, through you.
Q: (L) Tell me about DF, who is supposed to be part of the intel
A: Not so.
Q: (L) What is not so?
Q: (L) You mean, the claimed intelligence connection?
A: “Remember the Brockinton!”
Q: (L) Well, DF does not go around exactly claiming he is connected
like AB does...
A: Intel does not spew on the internet.
Q: (L) So, we have a LOT of stuff locked up inside and all we have
to do is find the key...
A: Yes, exactly.
Q: (L) Anything else...
A: Beware of cardiac concerns. Not what is, what may be.
Q: (L) What specifically?
A: Possible thrombosis in future.
Q: (L) What can I do to avoid such?
A: Many things, but most important is your attitude. You must
Q: (L) Well, I thought I had basically done with that when I asked
Lewis for divorce? What am I angry about?
A: Much, but especially dark past occurrences, some locked, some
Q: (L) What past occurrences?
A: What was done to you.
Q: (L) You mean the kidnapping and possible alien interference?
A: And other.
Q: (L) Do you mean LM?
A: Not mainly.
Q: (L) Well, can I ask this: did LM ever, at any point in our
marriage, care for me at all?
A: The way he does.
Q: (L) That says it all. But, what are they talking about? What was
done to me?
Q: (L) In the process of programming me to destroy myself, was I
physically and sexually violated? I have absolutely NO memory of ANY
of that. Are you talking about when I was a child?
A: Yes. And other.
Q: (L) Can you tell me what ages?
Q: (L) When I was 2, I was abducted?
Q: (L) And when I was 4? I was kidnapped and programmed?
Q: (L) And when I was 7 I was abducted?
A: Yes, and...
Q: (L) I was programmed then, too?
Q: (L) When I was 10... Abducted?
Q: (L) Well, I am just going to have to think about all this...
Looks like a good lotto number!
Q: (L) Don’t you guys believe in FUN?
A: Yes. Good Night.
End of Session
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April 28, 1996
Fred, PZ, Laura.
Q: (L) Hello.
Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?
Q: (L) And where do you transmit through?
Q: (L) We had a little chat with Sandra and we thank you for that.
Now, we have been discussing a lot of different things here, and the
main thing that I have been focusing on is the trap of emotions. I
would like to know if this trap is foisted upon us from external
A: The formula is “foisted.”
Q: (L) What is the formula?
A: Set pattern, like a maze.
Q: (L) Okay. And what is the most effective way to get out of this
maze of emotional control?
Q: (L) Is there anything that can be done when one is in process of
extricating oneself from an emotional trap to cut off or ease the
pain of it? It quite literally hurts.
A: No need to ease.
Q: (L) Well, once you have done it and gone through it, or, more
particularly, once you see that it is a trap, it doesn’t hurt
anymore - or lessens. Another thing is that we all have been
affected by being sucked into emotional traps, seemingly since
birth. Is this common for all people?
A: All? No, most, yes.
Q: (L) Would it be a fair statement to say that people who have
potential to do
very positive things in terms of clearing away and understanding the
reality in which we exist, might be primary targets for this
Q: (L) Can you tell us what might be the characteristics of a person
who is not
caught in the emotional trap?
A: Embracing? No. Uniting? Yes.
Q: (L) Ah! So, you are saying that people who can clear the
emotional traps can
unite in a higher emotional sense?
A: Emotions are chemicals only.
Q: (L) So, if emotions are chemical only, is it true that when one
physical proximity to certain people, that perhaps their frequency
vibrations cause these chemicals to be stimulated or generated
Q: (L) And, that it takes great force of will and mental power to
this physical action?
A: No, just practice.
Q: (L) Okay, once you have done it a few times in small ways, you
can build up
to big ones?
A: Not quite correct concept.
Q: (L) I was reading this piece sent to us on the internet where
this Cosmic Awareness source talks about people who deliberately
have come in because, since the good guys really can’t interfere
from the outside, because it would violate free will, that many of
them incarnate and thereby partake of the physical experience, and
then wake up and be able to do the things that are needed on the
planet. The object being to try to make sure that they will awaken
to their purpose, and that emotions and emotional traps are used
repeatedly and continuously to try to prevent them from awakening.
What I am getting at is: what are the things that we can do to
awaken? You have told us many times that we need to awaken.
Obviously we are not fully awakened. We are aware of that. Is there
some other thing we can do?
A: Let it happen naturally. If you are on a path, do you seek to
jump up into
the air and fly to the end of the path? If you did, you would regret
missing the “rest of the path.”
Q: (L) A lot of very strange things have been happening... Sandra
and her heart attack, Amy and her ankle, the terrible sicknesses I
have had in the past months, Aletheia talking about the things that
have happened in her experiences... it seems like, to me, that the
situation in terms of attack is really heating up. Can you comment
Q: (L) Well, thanks a lot! Can we ask questions about it?
Q: (L) Well, my eye infections, the ear problems, the loss of my
voice for so long... were these part of the attack process?
Q: (L) My mother also fell down and has a black eye. I am trying to
find the portal? What is the portal through which all this attack is
Q: (L) Did we already discover it in part, i.e. SV and her mother
and that situation?
Q: (L) Are you saying that SV is not a portal?
A: People are not portals!!! They are only victims of the things
through the portals. Otherwise, many could describe you as a
Q: (L) Well, I never said that I wasn’t. Speaking of that...
A: When you concentrate on the people as portals, you falsely direct
energy upon the soul units themselves. Rather like treating acne
with the therapy to be found in a shotgun!
Q: (L) What is the appropriate response when you are in a situation
and you know that the person is being victimized, yes, by the forces
coming through the portal, but their victimization is causing you a
great deal of problems? What is the appropriate response here?
A: How do you view those afflicted with disease? Do you throw rocks
Q: (L) Well, no, you don’t throw rocks at them...
A: What do you do, then?
Q: (L) Well, a person with a disease: you send or take them to a
doctor or suggest that they go to a doctor.
A: For what purpose?
Q: (L) To discover the diagnosis of the disease, to obtain medicine,
relieve the symptoms or cure the disease.
Q: (L) We are talking about people who won’t even admit they have a
How do you tell someone to go to a doctor when they don’t think they
are sick? Most people do NOT believe that they are subject to
control or manipulation from other densities! You have told a number
of people that they were going to be subjected to attack and
manipulation and they have blithely said ‘Oh, there is nothing in
our lives that would permit that...’
A: Denial is not incurable until you give up. Patience combined with
invitations to participate in the learning process eventually allows
to awaken, thus to be open to cure. This helps you to build the
seek. Isolation cures nothing. Thereby stiffling progress, as any
and all will ultimately be seen as “portals.” Rather like “spinning
one’s wheels,” yes??
Q: (L) So, in other words, you are saying I
should remain married to my husband, I should have SV and other
disruptive and destructive people over here constantly to
‘participate’ in the learning process?
A: The point is not to rigidly adhere to specific lifestyles, nor
patterning of behavior, merely to not close doors completely and
Q: (L) Okay, if a person were, say, a robot person,
when a person becomes a robot person, what happens to the soul of
the robot person?
A: Same process.
Q: (L) As what?
Q: (L) So, a person can die and leave their body, their body can be
taken over and reanimated and controlled to function a and do a lot
of things for a long time. Meanwhile, the original soul has
completely departed to 5th density ready to recycle?
A: Yes, but body is replaced, not reanimated.
Q: (L) Is this what happened to Lewis when he had that surgery back
A: We caution that, even though you have met 7 “robots,” in your
lifetime, not to “see” them under every bush or around every corner.
You have met so many people in your life. We gave you one, and only
Q: (L) What was the source of the dream where this was stated
to me quite clearly?
A: Dreams are the best forum for disinformation that exists.
Q: (L) Okay. I can see that. But, at the same time they are also one
of the best ways to get information from the subconscious and the
higher conscious, is this not true?
A: We have mentioned dualities a lot!!
Q: (L) Skipping the disinformation part, and just getting to the
analysis part, the story of Bluebeard... I am still of the opinion,
robot person or not, I am doing the right thing. Is it possible
that, even in this situation, that I am caught up in an emotional
A: Sure. This learrning thing is anything but easy!
Q: (L) Yes, that’s all fine and dandy, but we are talking about
breaking up my whole life here...
A: Maybe, maybe not.
Q: (L) What good is channeling if it does not help you to make
decisions once in a while. Once in a while, I say. Not all the time.
Or to help clarify things! To put additional light on it instead of
muddying the water!
A: We are not “muddying” the water,” only you can do that!
Q: (L) Well, enough of that...
A: No, not enough of that. And a much needed pointer for you:
questions of global or universal significance provide for a greater
personal learning than direct personal inquiries. If you disagree,
check transcripts and especially untranscribed sessions for
validation! You will see, my dear!!
Q: (L) Well, that is why I said that was enough of that because I
don’t want to
talk about my personal stuff anymore. I did think that the thing
about the robot people was pretty significant, but obviously it is
not that significant or important. There’s two million of them on
the planet, and I have been told that I have encountered seven. I
did think that this was a pretty high ratio of robot people for one
person to encounter...
A: Yes, but your life path has been unusual. And you have met 4588
Q: (L) How many people has Freddie met?
Q: (L) How many were robots?
Q: (L) How many has PZ met?
Q: (L) How many robots?
Q: (L) So, why seven for me - yeah, we know the path is unusual...
Q: (L) Can you tell me in what sense it is unusual?
A: Can’t you?
Q: (L) Well, I thought I would trick you into telling me...
A: No tricks, we only treat.
Q: (L) Oh, okay...
(P) Will they tell us who are the robots we have
A: Susan Stockton.
Q: (L) That was the one they named before...
A: What better disguise? A nudist!
Q: (L) That was funny! I tell you, the Emperor has no clothes!
Won’t you tell me who it is that I have met?
Q: (L) I am so tired now that I cannot
formulate a legitimate,
reasonable, intelligent or coherent question of global or universal
significance, we will say goodnight.
A: Good Night.
End of Session
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May 4, 1996
Freddie, TomH, TomK, Laura
Q: (L) Hello.
Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?
Q: (L) And where do you transmit from?
Q: (L) One of the things we talked about the last time Tom was here
was about the underground bases and military interference in
civilian affairs and civilian interface with military affairs. What
further can you tell us about this?
A: Ask specific questions, please.
Q: (L) One of the questions we were dealing with was the use of
create situations in which bodies could be taken...
A: Warfare has many “uses.”
Q: (L) Could you list for us some of the most common uses of
A: Generation of environment to facilitate inconspicuous replacement
pool. Factors in paradigm shift through stimulation of conception
activity, replacement of key personnel according to frequency
Q: (TH) Who or what in the gene pool is being replaced?
(L) Well, you know how it is in the movies... everybody is
indiscriminately making love before they go into battle...
Yes... they said ‘factors in paradigm shift through stimulation of
conception activity...’ (L) ‘Replacement of key personnel according
to frequency vibration pre-readings...’ Okay: do you mean to say that war...
A: Creates “environment” for unnoticed genetic modifications because
heightened exchange of both physical and ethereal factors.
Q: (L) What do you mean by “replacement of key personnel?” Key
according to whose definition?
A: 4th density STS.
Q: (L) Are these key personnel human?
Q: (L) When you say replacement, do you mean something as simple as
dying, such as a head of state, and being replaced by another person
who comes to power? That would be the simplest scenario that would
fit this explanation.
A: Your scenario is not simple.
Q: (L) I mean simple in terms of the machinations...
Q: (L) Would it also be that key personnel could also be replaced as
A: Yes. And removing to secret activity realm. Enough wars have
taken place to
effectively create entire new “underground race” of humans, both
from direct capture followed by “reeducation,” and spawning activity
using these persons and others.
Q: (L) What do you mean by spawning
A: Those captured have reproduced offspring, these never having seen
Q: (L) Are you saying...
(TK) They have given birth and these
children have never seen our world...
(L) How can an entire race of
people, or groups of people, live under the surface of this planet,
without the whole 6 billion of the rest of us on top, or at least a
large number, realizing that there is anything going on? This is so
wild an idea...
A: No. How much space exists underground, as opposed to that on the
Q: (L) A lot, I suppose. You aren’t saying that the earth is hollow,
A: No, not exactly.
Q: (L) Well, how deep is the deepest of these underground cities?
A: 3,108 miles.
Q: (L) That’s pretty deep! But wouldn’t it be too hot at that depth?
A: No. Temperature averages 68 degrees F.
Q: (TK) That’s pretty comfortable!
(L) How do they have light?
A: Magnetic resonance.
Q: (L) Well, aren’t they subject to being crushed by earthquakes?
A: No, earthquakes are not felt deep underground!!
Q: (L) Does any of this underground civilization activity have any
relation to this massive underground base the Russians are building?
Q: (TK) Is any of this under the ocean?
Q: (TK) Well, we’ll never explore all of what is under the ocean.
(L) It just
staggers the mind to think about it. What do they want these people
A: To replace you.
Q: (TK) And why? Because they can control them better. Right?
Q: (L) Do these people being bred and raised in these underground
A: Yes, most.
Q: (TK) Are they just like us only raised differently?
A: More complicated than that.
Q: (L) How long have they been doing this?
A: 14,000 years, approximately.
Q: (L) If they have been doing it that long, obviously the ones they
at the beginning have croaked and are of no use to replace anybody
on the earth unless they have been replacing people from time to
time for various reasons...
A: No, their technology makes yours look like Neanderthal by
Hibernation tubes... One heartbeat per hour, for example.
Q: (TH) That means that for every year we live, they would live 4200
(L) Does any of this have anything to do with that crazy pit at Oak
A: In an offhand way.
Q: (L) How do we fit into all of this?
(TK) We don’t!
A: You have been the “preparation committee.”
Q: (L) What have we been doing? Is it part of the plan for us to
planet, destroy the ozone layer, pollute the seas and so forth to
make it more habitable for them?
A: Those things are inconsequential and easily repaired.
Q: (TK) With their technology, they can fix all of that.
(L) This is
horrible, you know! To think of all this...
(TK) Apparently, from
what I am understanding, they can’t just come in and wipe us out and
replace us, because the ‘rules’ won’t allow it.
A: Yet the natural cycles within the framework of the natural order
will allow all these things to fall into place.
Q: (L) Is there some law within the realm of these beings, sort of
like the law of gravity, that prevents them from just coming in and
Q: (TK) I don’t think it is like the law of gravity...
A: What “law” is there that inhibits you from manipulating 2nd
density beings at
Q: (L) Well, I don’t go out and deliberately hurt or manipulate
anything or anybody.
(TK) Of course, in our handling of these
‘critters,’ we are conserving them in some ways so that we will have
an ongoing food supply...
(TK) I think there are rules to the game.
It’s like a chess game. They can’t just come in and change things,
it has to progress in some way. But, there are loopholes and they
can sneak in and manipulate and get away with some things...
Then, there aren’t rules - there are just guidelines.
A: Two important points there: 1) When we said “you,” we meant 3rd
collectively. 2) You missed our statement about the natural cycle
and order of things almost completely. We suggest you reread and
ponder... Also, what if your race is manipulated to destroy
yourselves, or, just hang around until the next natural cataclysm?
Q: (TK) Well, it seems like there is another side that is trying to
prevent them from gaining control.
(L) Well, from what I understand,
the only thing the good guys are able to do is, because of free
will, they have to wait to be asked for help, and the only they
thing they can really do is give information.
(F) Well, this is
valuable if used by the right people at the right time.
have to come up with the right questions, too. You have to have
enough information to be able to come up with the right questions. I
am sure the information is there. You have one group with all these
people underground and they want to take over the planet. This group
likes being 4th density - they don’t want to advance. They want to
block advancement. Then, you have the group that want to advance,
they want the natural order to proceed. This negative group wants to
stay there and keep everyone they can there.
(L) And because they
deplete themselves and diminish in numbers, they keep having to
supply their needs and existence.
(TK) If, by some odd chance, the
earth is the only place where people come to advance, then sooner or
later it is going to stop, if these other guys take over, then it
will just stop... implode.
(TH) I know! The earth is a 4th density
(L) We already thought of that... we all have an ‘E’
(TK) Obviously we have the information, but we haven’t
really dug deep enough so that we don’t know the questions that we
need to ask. Is this true?
Q: (TK) Is what I was saying close to the truth?
A: Yes. Total truth is elusive.
Q: (TK) So, what I said was the gist of what is going on here. So,
we have to figure out what we are supposed to do so that the earth
can be maintained...
A: You will do what you will do.
Q: (TK) This is true.
A: Do you, in general, control 2nd density beings on earth?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: So, what is “fair” about that?
Q: (L) Nothing.
A: Okay, so what is the difference?!?!???
Q: (TK) So, basically, we control 2nd density, and 4th density
There are the good guys and bad guys.
(L) And we will do what we
Either we choose to align ourselves with the good guys, or with the
A: It’s up to you.
Q: (TK) However, if too many people themselves with the bad guys,
then the balance tips in their favor, and there is no more
advancement, so there has to be education so that people will
A: Tom, you are close, but you are missing the point.
Q: (L) What is the point?
A: The point is, there “has to be” nothing. You will do what you
will do. You
choose. We have told you this repeatedly, but you still suffer from
Q: (TK) Everybody is worried about themselves. They all want to be
saved and not worry about others.
A: More to the point, everybody in an STS realm views themselves as
“special, chosen, or protected.” This is simply not so!!
Q: (TK) What is going to happen, is going to happen. The people...
A: The body does not matter. It is the soul that either progresses
digresses, just ask Sandra!
Q: (L) Did Sandra progress or digress?
Q: (L) So, in other words, we could just sit around and live our
lives and have a good time and not worry about a damn thing. Is that
Q: (L) It’s our choices?
Q: (TK) The point is it’s going to happen...
A: But, nobody is there to intervene on your behalf as many would
Q: (L) So, we are here on this planet, and we will either make it or
we won’t, just like Dorothy and Toto in Oz, based on our own ability
to figure it out, to overcome the odds, the witch, monkeys and
(TK) Maybe what they are trying to do is give people the
information, or make the information available so that people can
make the choice, do they want to stay...
A: We are not “trying” to do anything. We are here to answer
asked. We cannot interfere.
Q: (TK) Yes, the non-interference idea is pretty clear and
understandable. So, they cannot interfere...
A: And, even when we answer, you may not believe, it is up to you!
Q: (L) So, we are really on our own!
A: You always have been, and so have we, and all others, too!!
Q: (TK) I guess then, it is a matter of asking the right questions
so that you will know what course of action to take. I mean, do you
want to advance? Do you want to go to 4th density? Or do you want to
go higher? Or do you want to stay here? How can you make an informed
choice if you don’t know the true conditions and what your options
(L) Is it that the religions that have been generated and
foisted on the human race, have been designed to give people a
feeling of complacency or faith in something outside themselves, and
that this prevents them from seeking knowledge, opening their eyes,
facing the facts of their existence, and therefore keeps them in
A: Its just obstacles, as always. You employ those too, for your 2nd
Q: (TK) What state of mind do you have to have to want to advance?
(F) Well, you know you are on the path when you can see that the
words don’t match the facts of life. Think of all the people you
have met with whom you may have had a philosophical conversation.
How many will say: Oh, all I need is the Bible. That’s all I pay any
(TK) I don’t have many philosophical conversations
with people because I rarely agree with anything that is said.
Well, you must have decided on this because you tried it and found
it didn’t work.
(TK) I have a real problem... yes, the Bible has
been around for a long time, and religion has been around for a long
time... but I have a real problem believing something that is so
obviously produced by humans with agendas of their own!
(F) But most
people that you tell that to will say: Oh, no! People didn’t write
the Bible, God did! Or, they could be a complete athiest and believe
only in the religion of science.
(TK) I believe that a person is
supposed to live by rules and treat people with respect and honor
life... and some of the ideas of religion are good... but they just
go over the edge.
That is how they suck people in. Mix lies with the truth.
(L) Yes, a
sandwiched between two truths makes it easier to swallow.
if it was ALL
false, the vast majority of people would have figured it out
(TK) The vast majority don’t care. They just want to
be led like sheep. They don’t want any responsibility.
(F) And what
happens to the vast majority of cattle? They munch away in their
pasture until time to get in the truck to go to the butcher.
Well, after all my years in the military, I have gotten to the point
that I just don’t trust anybody with authority.
(F) And, if you talk
to the religious types, they will say: Oh, I don’t have any
answers... I just follow the Bible.
(L) Not only do they not have
any answers, they don’t have any questions, either. And, I think
that is the clue. The people who are still asking questions after
wading through all the religions and mystical mumbo-jumbo. The ones
who think they have found the ultimate answer are - well - lunch!
(TK) The whole purpose of life, it seems to me, is to obtain
knowledge and advance. You are stuck on this level until you figure
it out. But what are you supposed to figure out?
(L) I think that
the knowing is the doing.
(TH) “Ye shall know the truth and the
truth shall set you free.” It’s in the Bible!!!
(L) Is the knowing
Q: (L) I think that knowing changes your frequency. Is that true?
Q: (L) The acknowledging and the seeing?
Q: (L) What did they tell us once... it’s not where you are, but who
you are and what you see that counts.
(TK) So, we aren’t going to
change what happens. There is no way we can have any appreciable
effect on the underground armies... it is just a matter of changing
ourselves and whoever else we can share with.
A: Correct, the cow has no effect on the health of the livestock
Q: (TK) The cow has no effect on the herd. One cow doesn’t... or
even a lot of cow.
(F) But there might be one or two cows that
follow one that breaks out of the herd.
(TK) Yes, you might be able
to affect somebody else’s life, but not the whole group. So,
worrying about the underground stuff, is immaterial.
knowing about it is.
(TK) All that survivalists, the militias and so
forth. It is a complete waste of time.
(F) It is good to know what
is going on.
(TK) But, could you know if you had an implant?
(TK) How, by asking?
(L) Well, that and examining your life
and comparing with others. When you read the material, you find a
lot of clues. It really opens your eyes.
(TK) Isn’t the implant and
the brainwashing a little bit past the interference that the 4th
density STS should be allowed?
(L) We have learned that knowing you
have an implant and what it can do, you then can cancel it out by
choices. Those who believe that their implant is for their own good,
are, of course, completely subject to them.
(TK) Have I ever been
A: Ask Tom about your kidnapping... Tom must learn.
Q: (L) What could be done...
A: Why do you suppose Tom “chose” to enter the Navy?
Q: (L) Because he was manipulated to do so?
A: Was led.
Q: (L) What things happened in the Navy?
A: Ask Tom.
Q: (L) It seems that he has been living rather on the surface...
have you just gone along from day to day without thinking too much
A: No. That is what your “memory” tells you.
Q: (TK) I am getting a headache.
(L) That’s interesting. Why does he
get the headaches?
A: Research the problem in order to learn. If we told you the
answers to all
these things, at this point, you would just shrug your shoulders and
forget about it.
Q: (L) Is the shrugging of the shoulders a programmed response in
A: To an extent.
Q: (L) Okay, he mentioned the headaches beginning when he went on a
particular camping trip. And, he is now trying to remember it, and
it is causing him pain.
Q: (TK) The worst headache I ever had was when we were on our way to
stopped in Hawaii. I went over to another ship to get some hydraulic
on the way back, as I was coming back on the ship, I had a headache
that was so bad I couldn’t even tolerate light or sound.
mean the kind where it hurts even to breathe?
I started having those after I woke up one night reversed in my bed
with the bottom half of my nightgown wet. I know what they are like.
Q: (TK) Yes, nothing helps.
(L) Can you give Tom a little help here?
A: Sorry. Tom is at the point where it will not help him for us to
“give him a
Q: (F) Well, they never gave us point blank answers either.
Well, of all the people who have come to the sessions, he is the
first who has immediately understood what is going on and what it
(F) Most everyone else thinks they already know the answers...
(L) Getting back to the underground bases, is the HAARP project
connected to these underground bases.
A: Not directly.
Q: (L) You once said that HAARP was something that was to be used to
“transfer perimeters.” I am assuming that this means to manipulate
space, time and density.
Q: Is it possible that they are planning to use this to bring up the
Atlantean crystals to utilize.
A: Not so much to “bring up,” as to utilize.
Q: Is there anything to BRH’s idea about the “harmonics,” that it
must be ready to function on a certain day and time?
Q: In terms of what we understand - I know you aren’t going to answer
it that way - if Tom tries to bring up the memories and understand,
the headaches ought to go away...
(TK) I haven’t had any since I
have been out of the Navy.
A: O’Brien is “lyin’”
Q: What is is about O’Brien?
A: Discover. Why is Tom there, of all places?!?
Q: Is there something in that area, some frequency from the earth,
some electromagnetics or something, that can tend to...
A: Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe....
Q: It keeps a person quiescent and in the dark?
A: Stalling frequency... And by the way, can anyone come up with a
the existence of Camp Blanding? Well??...
Q: (TK) Ask about Dave Whitfield... he lives nearby...
A: First, some blockbuster stuff for the Knighted ones... Look upon
map, and reflect, remember lonely journeys from long ago, and begin
to unlock shattering mysteries which will lead to revelations
opening the door to the greatest learning burst yet!!
Q: (F) Oh, my. A LOT of questions...
(L) Was there more than one
journey to Camp Blanding?
Q: Only one?
A: For you.
Q: More than one for Tom?
Q: You said “knighted ones,” as though there were some significance
Q: Is there some genetic engineering here?
A: No, not in the sense you are thinking. But, all are in some
Q: Why did my mother marry men who kept affecting our lives in such
A: Ask her.
Q: She has no answer. She is baffled herself.
A: So, get her to discover. That is where the clues lie.
Q: So, the clues lie with some of these people... We remember the
trip with one
of them - to North Carolina - when we were taken to school...
A: Why did he insist you go to boarding school? And why did your
Q: All this comes back to the original question, why Tom is in
O’Brien, near Camp Blanding...
A: EM waves curdle the mind producing complacency in the face of
misery. Numbs the mind through isolationist infuences. Why are you
there, Tom? Who begged you to stay there? EM waves emanate from??
Suggest you, Laura, go to library and research Camp Blanding. You
may find a “black hole,” so to speak!!
Q: A black hole. Okay. Well, there is sure a lot of stuff that has
gone on in our lives for which there is simply no rational
(TK) They sure have been giving a lot of stuff tonight
without a lot of questions...
A: Visits through trees, forests, leading to a perfectly square
Q: (L) Hmmmm. Is Aunt H one of the generators of EM frequencies?
A: No, she is merely an unwitting agent.
Q: (L) Well, L is very isolationist in her tendencies. Is that a
result of being in that area?
Q: (L) Well, what I REALLY want to know is WHY have we had all of
these CRAZY things happen in our lives, and all of these people
ranged all around us seemingly placed there, or manipulated
deliberately to affect us negatively. I mean, am I wrong, or is this
not a VERY unusual and crazy situation?
A: Why do you think?
Q: Well, I have no idea!
A: Because you are of the extremely rare and few who have the
abilities to put
the puzzle together.
Q: So, what are we supposed to do?
A: Yes. And, for tonight, good night.
End of Session
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May 25, 1996
Freddie, Laura, SV
Q: (L) Hello.
[And the exact instant the planchette began to move, the outflow
hose from the pool pump burst and began to shoot water straight into
the air making the sound of a downpour on the roof of the house. We
all rushed out to see, a temporary repair was made, and we came back
in and settled to begin again.]
Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello and hello.
Q: (L) Who do we have with us this evening?
Q: (L) And where do you transmit from?
Q: (L) That was strange. Can you tell me what was the meaning of the
of the pool hose as we began a few minutes ago?
A: Weakened plastic fibers.
Q: (L) I expect so. But it was so synchronous that it happened at
Q: (L) Well, I don’t think there are coincidences. Who are you
A: We are not kidding.
Q: (L) Well, okay. We have several issues just now...
Q: (L) What does that mean?
A: You have one.
Q: (L) I don’t have a flute. Tell me about the flute.
Q: (L) Flute as in playing a tune? Another clue?
Q: (L) And you want me to stop and ponder this right now? Well, you
play music on a flute. Usually you play happy music on a flute.
A: Not point. On or not.
Q: (L) You guys are being really obscure tonight. Is flute
significant in some way?
Q: (L) Is there another word or two you can give me for a clue?
Q: (L) Fluted?
Q: (L) Does ‘fluted’ have anything to do with ‘grooving?’
Q: (L) What columns are we talking about?
Q: (L) Why are we talking about Ionic fluted columns?
A: Because they are a link to previous direct contact between humans
Q: (L) Okay, Ionic columns fluted and grooved...
A: Plastic hoses, fluted and grooved.
Q: (L) Well, you are getting more and more obscure. How do we
establish this direct link between us and 4th density STO through
the concept of fluting, and grooving, and columns?
A: Magnetic telemetry profile.
Q: (L) Are you suggesting that the hose with the water rushing
through it can transmit something from 4th density STO to us?
Q: (L) The original Ionic column structure was a hollow tube?
A: Not the point.
Q: (L) It is the fluting, grooving and spiralling that are
Q: (L) Okay, once you mentioned that I ought to move the pool and
maze, or spiral. Well, I am hoping to get some money from the
insurance company soon, and I was thinking about putting in an
in-ground pool as part of my improvements. Couldn’t I have the
spiral inlaid in the bottom of the pool in tile.
A: Good. Suggest that you install a triple Ionic column with top
beam and base,
as the Romans and Greeks did, near the deep end.
[the next part of the discussion involves drawing the plan of said
structure, and the design of the spiral]
A: Two sided triangle when seen from above, flat top of beam, no
meters between bases of the three columns. Columns 1.6 meters tall.
Base set at 30 degree angle. Center column placed to the East of the
pool. Use pure spiral, counterclockwise, corresponding to Northern
hemisphere of the planet.
Q: (L) Okay, once we have set this up, what is it going to do for
A: Empower 4th through 6th density STO channel transceiver.
Q: (L) Well, I guess I need to make some really big bucks to do
Q: (L) Well, will I be able to do this soon?
A: That is up to you. If you follow guidance, yes.
Q: (L) Okay, D4 wanted me to ask a question for him. He has recently
touch with a guy who claims to be a magician after the ilk of
A: D4 has not followed our guidance. If D4 seeks answers, it is not
him to ignore “leads,” and seek inappropriate pathways instead!
Q: (L) Well... there is nothing I can do. He keeps sending me stuff
“Cosmic Awareness” and says “Gee, I wish the C’s could churn out
this...” And yet, this Cosmic Awareness talked a lot about 1996
being the year
when there was going to be a mass landing and a bunch of other stuff
obviously did NOT happen... so, what do you want here? Verbose
fancy, or clues
that must be worked? It is incredibly frustrating! Why would we want
to churn out crap like that?
A: Push the man’s buttons.
Q: (L) Well, what do you mean?
A: Mount Palomar.
Q: (L) Oh, you really want him to go out to Mount Palomar?
A: And no, his contact is not a magician... Lay off the mind
substances, D4, or else you will lose it!!!
Q: (L) But, D4 says that he no longer uses drugs, so what do you
A: Ask D4. When you say “drugs are bad,” do you expect those who
want you to
like them to admit to partaking?
Q: (L) Of course not. I guess I am too hard on that subject. Now, as
you know, L was here earlier and we had a discussion. I would like
to know if there is any chance that he will be able to open his mind
and get help.
Q: (L) He really needs help. Is there anything that you can tell me
that will ease my mind?
A: Worry not.
Q: (L) I know you say that, but sometimes it is really HARD! Okay,
once we build our little columns and pool and other toys, what then
ought we to do once we are in this pool?
A: Up to you.
Q: (L) Any particular exercises?
Q: (L) Just BE in the pool?
Q: (L) And then what?
A: Wait and see!
Q: (L) You are just making my night!
(S) I don’t want to sound
paranoid, but all the reports about mind programming... is it as
widespread as we have been lead to believe? That it could be the guy
next door, and a certain color, or word or sound could set them off?
Q: (L) That’s not exactly vague. What is the percentage of
A: 2 out of every 100.
Q: (L) How many are programmed by human means?
A: 12 per cent of the .02 per cent.
Q: (L) So, out of every 1,000 people, there are 20 that are
programmed, and 12
of these are programmed by aliens, as in 4th density STS?
A: Understand that 4th density is physical, indeed. You are drifting
and further toward an ethereal only perception/theoretical position.
Q: (L) You are saying that the humans working on these kinds of
A: No, Laura, we are saying that there is really a very strong “nuts
reality to this phenomenon, and don’t ignore it!
Q: (L) Gotcha! We were watching television, and they showed a video
of a man
and his daughter who videotaped a very large object in the sky, and
it was there for a long time, and I also understand that someone
else taped it from another location. It was a long, white, tubular
object. It was estimated to be about a mile long, because they
figured this out by the perspectives from the two tapes, sort of by
parallax, and it had moving lights on it, and it just hovered, or
sat there for a very long time. What in the world was this thing?
A: A “mother” ship of Orion STS scanning vectors of the reality
Q: (L) Well, they talked about a report of a similar happening at
this very same
spot, only it was 78 years previous to this. Was there a connection?
A: Yes. Space/time coordinates linkage.
Q: (L) Was this ship doing anything other than what you have said?
Q: (L) Does a mother ship carry a lot of small ships?
Q: (L) How many can be carried in one mother ship?
Q: (L) Holy Shi’ite Moslems! What size are they? And, we have to
remember that these ships are bigger inside, as a rule, because of
some sort of strange principal at that level.
A: Exactly, remember, there is variability of physicality on 4th
not lack of physicality.
Q: (L) There was apparently a sighting in Gulf Breeze either last
night or the night before. The triangular ships with the orange
lights. Were they human or alien?
Q: (L) Who did they belong to?
Q: (L) Why are there so many kinds of alien ships?
A: See previous statements. VOP.
Q: (L) Variability of physicality. Okay, I have also been reading
about cattle mutilations, that specific parts of the body are
Q: (L) What is that?
A: Cattle part.
Q: (L) Why do they take an eyeball? What do they want only one
A: Study soul pattern.
Q: (L) Can you study a soul pattern through an eyeball?
A: Like a tape recorder.
Q: (L) Why do they take part of a lip?
A: DNA library.
Q: (L) Well, how many eyes and DNA libraries do they need. This is
happening a lot.
A: Some is copy cat by “secret government.”
Q: (L) I have heard a recent rumor that the Chupacabras makes three
puncture marks, and that one of them extends all the way up into the
brain. Is this true?
Q: (L) Are the stories being heard from the SW and Mexico, and even
Florida, are they all the Chupacabras?
Q: (L) How many people in the United States have implants?
A: 2 per cent.
Q: (L) Why did I lose my voice recently?
A: Inflamed vocal cords. Suggest you go buy, then read, Oescheler
enhanced learning. Okay for now, Good Night.
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