March 10, 1996

Freddie, Laura

Q: I have a number of questions that I want to get into tonight. Freddie and I have been discussing the nature of attack. The first thing I would like to ask is: I did a hypnosis session with (name deleted) and utilized some of the Greenbaum techniques. She responded in the affirmative. I was told that she several alter personalities: “masterprogrammer, gatekeeper, Alpha, Beta, Theta and Delta, zero,” and that there were over 3,000 installed programs. Were these responses valid?
A: Validity is subjective.

Q: Does (name deleted) have over 3,000 of these “programs?”
A: Be careful of data which originates from sources which mislead.

Q: Which is the misleading source?
A: May mislead.

Q: Which is misleading: (name deleted) or the Greenbaum text?
A: No its the center of origin.

Q: That which I perceive a negative attachment?
A: This “subject” appears to be fragmented.

Q: So, (name deleted) is suffering from MPD?
A: Not that simple.

Q: Are her fragments caused by abductions?
A: She has had abductions and the like, but not the issue here. She is “searching,” and when one is searching...

Session interrupted by long distance phone conversation.


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March 13, 1996

Freddie, Laura

Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
A: Vinxyoh.

Q: (L) And where are you from?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) You once said that you are always with us. If so, then you must have heard the earlier discussion to the effect that, since we have been doing this project, the magazine and all that, it seems to bring on the most awful attacks from every imaginable corner. I am really tired. I get it from the people out there, and I get it here at home. I’m tired of the dramas, I am tired of the complaints and aggravation. I am tired of doing all the work, and everybody else just coming up with more problems for me to solve. I am tired of being sick. I am tired of pain. I am tired of not knowing the answers. I am just tired. I am ready to stop. To quit. To just sit in my room and vegetate. Any comment?
A: What do you want to know?

Q: (L) I want to know, if all of this activation of Murphy’s law is going to stop.
A: This is not the problem.

Q: (L) Well, for beings who are supposed to be able to read minds, you aren’t helping much! Why don’t you just read my mind and tell me what I need to know?
A: You need to read your own mind!

Q: (L) Considering the state of mind I am in right now, that almost sounds like a facetious answer!
A: No.

Q: (L) What is in my mind?
A: Ask yourself. Discover.

Q: (L) Well, the closest I can come is to say that I am suffering from the most serious loss of faith I can ever remember experiencing. SV and her mother. PZ and the games with getting the magazine printed. The school board. The lunatics at ISCNI. ML...
A: We warned you that there would be attack.

Q: (L) I am at the point that I don’t want any more attack. We can stop the channeling, the writing, the internet... everything. I just want to quit.
A: And what do you think that would do for you?

Q: (L) Well, maybe some of the attack would stop.
A: And maybe not!!

Q: (L) Then I need you to tell me what I can do. I am drowning here! I need to know how to shield myself.
A: Re-aim direction somewhat.

Q: (L) Toward what?
A: Ask yourself.

Q: (L) Obviously, since the magazine has been so incredibly stressful, doing everything with no help. I guess I will have to give it up.
A: If you wish, or perhaps change format?

Q: (L) Change the format to what?
A: Anything that brings less stress.

Q: (L) Well, the whole point of doing it was to create a vehicle for the transcripts. And that seems to be what is causing the stress, because people just don’t want to hear it!
A: That is not true, it is how it is presented!!

Q: (L) We sent it out to hundreds of addresses. I have a mailing list. It cost a fortune for the bulk mail permit and the postage, not to mention the printing. I sent one to D and Val and tons of other people. D told me the other night that Val called him and said that he just didn’t want anything to do with the material because it was so choppy and disorganized. It was a mess.
A: If the magazine is just our messages, would not this be less stressful?

Q: (L) Well, there won’t be another issue if it is going to be this stressful. My point was to get enough in there so that a broad range of people would be interested and subscribe.
A: Is your “point” the only one?

Q: (L) Of course not! But I’m the one who has fallen heir to this and I am just doing the best I can without a whole Hell of a lot of help!
A: Because you wish to direct without guidance.

Q: (L) Now wait a minute! That is NOT fair. I have asked for guidance and was told to figure it out myself. This is what I did according to what I thought was the best way to do it!
A: We are trying to help you, not hinder, but you must be willing to understand what is being said. And this requires willingness to have faith and really be guided. Not good to “get lost,” as can happen when other problems intercede, such as prejudice and the lack of conduit mindset, i.e. obsession.

Q: (L) This is precisely what I am getting at here. How does one maintain a conduit mindset, or lack of obsession, or any of these other things; those are not the problems, those are only the results of the problems. The problems are the attack, such as the situation with my mother, SV and all of her problems, the kids, the husband, the magazine, PZ and Pk...
A: Try to avoid encumbrances, when at all possible. Also, suggest that you try to stop trying to solve problems for others, especially when your instincts tell you this! Remember, all are on a different learning “schedule,” or path.

Q: (L) Well, that is all fine and good, but when other people’s problems interfere with getting the work done, the magazine out, and having peace of mind, so that I can focus, it is hard for me to not try and help and solve these problems!
A: Now, give an example of how one’s problems interfere with getting the magazine published, please.

Q: (L) Well, PZ’s kid in the printshop, being unable to keep any part of the process straight, much less keep his head on straight, caused me to have to go down there repeatedly and work like a lunatic physically assembling copy just so it would be done in time. And this was AFTER spending 18 hours a day typing or formatting! I can assure you that, had I not done so, there would be no magazine... meanwhile SV is acting like a jerk because her mother is acting like a jerk... come on! You guys can see this stuff!!!
A: We can also “see” what you cannot!

Q: (L) Which is why I am sitting here asking. And why I asked you before... and all you gave me was ‘open,’ and ‘up to you’ and ‘wait and see.’ And now, I am physically exhausted, worn out, I have been constantly sick for months... You could have just told us! SV could have left her mother in the nursing home! I just want to crawl into a hole and QUIT!!!
A: If we had told you that, you would not have learned!!!

Q: (L) You could have just told me that SV was a flake to begin with, and that she would cause me all this grief!
A: Subjective.

Q: (L) I know it is subjective and I don’t really mean it that way, but if SV had been doing what was her own responsibility and not continuously crying to me on the phone, or coming over here and putting guilt trips on me... then I could have handled what I needed to... and she hasn’t done a damn thing she didn’t want to do, and I am the one that’s paying for it!
A: If you had done nothing, the situation would have solved itself.

Q: (L) I hate to tell you this, but not helping people when they call and ask for help sounds like a pretty STS position.
A: No.

Q: (L) I’m sorry, but that is what it sounds like. To say to somebody: ‘that’s your problem, sayonara!’ Doesn’t sound very helpful to me!
A: That is not what needs to be said.

Q: (L) I am very offended by a lot of things that have happened. I am very offended by the fact that when I asked SV to do one tiny little thing for me,
which was to go to the store after I had been up for over 24 hours doing lay-out, and get me a ream of paper... she couldn’t do it because she had a stiff neck. And, she said this to me! Me, with pus running out of my eyes. And I am offended by PZ and her hours and hours of complaining, and any single thing that she could do herself to straighten her own affairs, she completely ignores it, or does the opposite. And SV did not handle her mother with the result that my mother was calling me on the phone and essentially saying, you got me into this, it is terrible, and what are you going to do? And, in a sense, she was right. I felt responsible. I believed SV, SV lied to me, and everything got completely screwed up.
A: If your focus had been on the poject only, none of these problems would have resulted. And, furthermore, this is not an STS stance. Nothing of the sort!!! If you listen to your inner “voice,” it is easy to differentiate between an actual request for helpful assistance, and just another trap, otherwise known as a portal of attack.

Q: (L) Well, do you understand the rock and the hard place concept? I was not in a position to help my mother, and I am still human. And, I didn’t like seeing SV’s mother suffer and do without, either. It seemed like such an ideal solution.
A: Interesting alternative: what if you had suggested to SV that her mother move in with her?

Q: (L) I did suggest that.
A: And...

Q: (L) Well, we said that she would have to give up her job and her life to take care of her mother and she couldn’t do it.
A: And this is the crux: if that were true, SV then would have had to have found an alternative which was always open to her. Also, your mother had other alternatives open to her, but chose to “sit back” and let you handle it, as you have always done. This is a karmic circle, which, though dificult, accelerates the learning process, thus soul progress and karmic advancement.

Q: (L) Well, I felt some sense of obligation to help SV because she was always buying me and the kids things and bringing them over and insisting that I keep them. What were her motives?
A: “Buying your friendship.” Still continues...

Q: (L) Well, there are other things here that are related to this issue here. I was not able to buy some of those things, and she knew it. I was sinking a LOT of money in the magazine, and that leads to another problem. Finances. And this seems to be an ongoing portal of attack here! A whole lot of problems would be solved if I did not have to worry about survival!
A: We have told you we would help with the finances, and have, and will continue to do so.

Q: (L) Okay, is the magazine, as it is done, going to work out and carry itself forward?
A: We suggest being open to alterations.

Q: (L) It can be altered next time... but not now, it is printed.
A: Okay. How a book can be created... just concentrate on editing our messages, and nothing else, with each issue, unless camera ready “canned” copy, and at the end, just consolidate for publisher!!

Q: (L) Okay. I already thought of that. Okay. Before we stop for the night, I want to ask one question that is unrelated to all we have been discussing. I asked once before about ‘nephilim genes,’ and you said ‘you don’t want to know.’ So, let me make a statement. We already know that people get used for ‘lunch’ or experiments, to be tossed into the blender, milked for emotional energy, made to suffer in infinite ways for infinite reasons. And, we are not talking about something to which I am very much attached, in terms of these missing babies of mine, because it was a long time ago. But, what I would like to know is, what is it about these Nephilim children when I asked if I had children with Nephilim genes that made you respond that way...?
A: What specifically?

Q: (L) I don’t know. So, we will shelve it. I am exhausted. Good Night.
A: Goodbye.

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March 23, 1996

Freddie, Freddie, V

[The very beginning of the second side of the tape has a noise anomaly as follows; it starts out sounding like the taped voices are soft, far away and coming from the bottom of a well. This clears up; the voices are clearer and nearer. Then, they sound far away and faint again. This continues; on the tape recorder’s speakers you can actually “hear” the rotation from one speaker to the other. It almost sounds like either the microphone or the people speaking are actually ‘spinning’ around each other. It was checked out on another tape recorder, one with only one speaker, and it is not on the other side of the tape, so it is not a physical aberration of the tape itself, or my tape recorder. JR.]

Q: (L) Hello. Is anybody there?
A: Fopilion from Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Good evening to you, we are glad you came to join us. We have some situations we want to look at, and then we want to ask some questions of a more universal nature. Is that all right for the evening?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) What’s the maybe refer to?
A: Your inquiry.

Q: (L) The first inquiry I have is our situation relating to SV, and the different clues that we have received, and the different observations that I have made myself, and the discussions or the networking interactions that we have had on the subject. Can you tell us anything in a general way, or do we really have to ask specific questions about the subject?
A: SV is storehouse of vital information, clue for you was in name, but you failed to notice!

Q: (L) OK, but SV...
A: This is why the frustration is for you; nothing of value comes without a price!!

Q: (L) Number one, SV has lied to us. Number two, it seems that she began to demonstrate emotional affect, after we had discussed the fact that there was a serious lack of emotional affect after you had told us that these robot people are people who spend a lot of time alone and have...
A: The price, my dear, continues...

Q: (V) By continuing the relationship?
A: The Nordic Covenant was a duality.

Q: (L) SV comes from that area where that Nordic covenant, what is it, Minnesota, she’s from Minnesota? Oh, I never made that connection! Holy Frijoles! ‘Nordic Covenant was a duality’ ... so, when you made mention of the Nordic Covenant, and the banking scandal, was that a double-layered statement to us?
A: Maybe, but you are missing the point! All persons of Nordic heritage hold secret power centers, can be of darkness, or of light... SV is of Teutonic bloodline leading directly to such super power source such as Thule Society and others, and she is aware of her powers and mission. It is of positive orientation. However, you are being tested by 4th through 6th density forces to determine if you have the strength and wisdom for continuance!

Q: (L) The whole thing just doesn’t make sense... I mean, with that nasty red aura she has...
A: Red aura needs much further study on your part. Your sources for such information could be deceiving you.

Q: (L) Well then...
A: And we are the Cassiopaeans, but it is of your will to live as you desire.

Q: (L) Well... Then why was she told by you guys, that if she didn’t do certain things that it would lead to her total undoing?
A: Go back and study that message again, with assistance of tape, and with mind open to all angles. Check intent, however, malice is in absence. Notice the difference. The duality of covenant!!!

Q: (L) Well, Freddie is of Nordic extraction. Is he a member of this covenant, also?
A: Maybe.

Q: (F) If so, it’s news to me.
(Laughs) (L) Do you say she is aware of her mission?
A: Some are.

Q: (L) Is her mother something in the way to block her from performing her mission?
A: Mother is inconsequential.

Q: (V) Her mother, her adopted mother... inconsequential. Ok, so does...
A: Curious how background is murky, yes!

Q: (L) Yes, that is curious.
(V) Something tells me that this can go further...
(L) Well, yes, but they were also talking about her birth, and her adoption, and all that kind of thing in another session. Stuff that’s so unclear, she doesn’t know anything about it, and claims she doesn’t. So strange... Is SV a ‘walk-in?’
A: Not correct terminology.

Q: (L) Well, then what is the correct terminology? What is SV?
A: Birthright.

Q: (L) Now, what does that mean?
A: Discover.

Q: (L) Are you saying that when we make mention of the Nordic Covenant and the Thule Society, that there’s some possibility that SV has been programmed, or has layers of programs, and that some part of her program knows what she’s doing, and maybe other parts don’t?
A: Yes, but this is not a negative thing.

Q: (L) Okay, now let me go a little bit deeper. Could SV be what you described as a robot person, but programmed for a positive purpose?
A: No, robot “people” do not have bloodlines.

Q: (L) So, this is something that’s programmed genetically in a bloodline?
A: Not exactly, those that have the bloodline have the corresponding soul alignment.

Q: (L) We are talking about a genetic bloodline that activates certain abilities and genes that interface with the corresponding soul that has prepared for this manifestation of the bloodline?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there any significance to the fact that SV spent all of those years living with the Outlaws Motorcycle gang and this covenant?
A: Yes, and that is what has led and is leading to the destruction of the “Outlaws,” a group associated directly with 4th density STS.

Q: (V) Her presence there caused them to break up? This was a good thing. Is this what is meant here? That her presence was uplifting to them?
(L) Well, it’s not uplifting them, it’s breaking them; they are all going to jail!
A: Yes and because of circumstances planted by “Agent SV.” This is why the perceived lack of emotion connected with that whole situation. Vitale is the bravest human you have ever known! All evidence to the contrary is veil; part of the testing process.

Q: (L) If we’re being tested, why are you telling us?
(V) So that you do not fail?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is SV aware that this is going on?
A: Vital that you do not fail.

Q: (V) Is SV aware that ...
A: Yes.

Q: (V) Is there a pivotal word that might break this open to a clearer understanding?
A: Discover.

Q: (L) Now, when we were flying back home, and we were flying through that storm, was that storm, which began before we left, and we flew through it on the way back, was that a byproduct or bleedthrough of a battle between the forces?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was it trying to harm us in any way, because we had to fly through it, and couldn’t fly over it? I mean, even the pilot was worried, and he had been flying for years!
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What brought it to an end?
A: Vitale. Notice how “unaffected” she was?!?

Q: (L) I told you that the whole thing about being scared was a fake!
(F) Yes, she was scared on the way up, when there was nothing to be scared of, and on the way back, when we were bouncing around like a pinball in a pinball machine, she’s sleeping, I’m getting sick, and Laura’s going ‘Ride em, cowboy!!!!’ [All laughed] (L) Ok, so how are we supposed to react to this situation?
A: Up to you.

Q: (L) OK, we knew that was coming. It wouldn’t have been a good night without it!
(V) Some things never change, huh?
(L) Well Freddie seems to think there’s a whole lot more there in terms of background than she was letting on. Is that correct?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Well, ok, I’m going to trust you guys, and I’m going to go with the flow, and I’m going to assume that you are right, and I’m going to assume that this is for the best and for the good, and I’m going to stop my knee jerk reactions, and stop worrying about such things.
A: Suggest you look before you leap. All can be wrong in their quick judgments, whether the result be acceptance or rejection. All is not as it seems... Remember, those that come into your group, or your circle of influence can be different than you think.

Q: (L) You said we were being tested. Tested for what?
A: Continuance.

Q: (L) Continuance of what?
A: All.

Q: (L) Continuance of all. Ok, and we are being tested through SV?
A: Currently.

Q: (L) Are you saying that what we have been considering attacks were just tests?
A: The ones associated with Vitale. And no, all with that name are not of this orientation, but this clue was installed for you.

Q: (L) Are you saying that SV is our 4th density Nordic?
A: ?

Q: (V) Maybe just by the purpose of her being, she’s vital for you! (L) OK, Whitley Streiber wrote back and told me that he was familiar with this school that I experienced in the dream and I think I asked you guys about this once, and you said I needed to discover some more about it. He says that he is familiar with all of it...
A: All is not as delivered.

Q: (L) He says that he is one of the patriarchal dudes who was teaching...
A: Ditto.

Q: (L) Well, my feeling is that this was a school on an astral level, it was a school of a higher density, that it was not ever a physical, 3rd density school. That was my impression of it, and that I was being sent forth from another density, to experience, after being instructed by this group of patriarchal type beings. Is that correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, the school that Whitley describes, and him thinking that he is one of the higher density beings, he’s misinterpreting this as a physical school. Is that correct?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Is he, is he, well... They’re not going to answer that one, are they? Why do I even bother thinking that I’m going to slide that one by...
A: Now, for the remainder of this session, we wish to address the so called earth changes for your benefit, as you are stuck here. Those present need to be equi... [Sound anomaly on tape begins here, on second side.] ...pped to stop buying into popular deceptions once and for all! Reread Bramley.

Q: (L) Funny I took him off the shelf today... (V) What’s Bramley about?
(L) Well, hold on. Do you want me to read it right now?
A: No.

Q: (L) Ok, address the subject.
A: All such changes are caused by three things and three things only! 1) Human endeavors. 2) Cosmic objects falling upon or too near earth. 3) Planetary orbital aberrations.

Q: (L) All right, carry on.
A: Don’t believe any of the nonsense you hear from other sources. It is designed to facilitate mass programming and deception.

Q: (L) Ok, okay.
A: Just as your bible says; “You will know not the day, nor the hour.” This means there is no warning. None. No clue. No prophecy. And these events... [anomaly starts again here, briefly.] are of the “past” as well.

[and ends here.]

Q: (V) What events of the past, as well?
A: Cosmic and “man made” cataclysms.

Q: (L) Well, since you put ‘man-made’ at the top of the list, am I to infer that perhaps some of the activities of the consortium, the secret government, are going to precipitate some of these events?
A: No.

Q: (L) Yes. Okay, is there any more that you want to say on this? Go ahead, you have the floor. Please.
A: Ask away.

Q: (L) Well, you’ve said that there’s a comet cluster that’s coming this way. Is that still correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this body that has been called Hale-Bopp, is this that comet cluster?
A: No.

Q: (L) Is this comet cluster that’s coming, and you’ve indicated that it could arrive anywhere between 18 years, something like that, is that correct?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Now, is this something that can be seen from a great way off?
A: No.

Q: (L) Is this something that’s going to impact our particular immediate location, and appear suddenly, as this comet that has flown overhead just did? Nobody saw it until a very short time ago, and all of a sudden everybody sees it?
A: The cluster is a symptom, not the focus.

Q: (V) What is the focus?
A: Wave, remember, is “realm border” crossing... what does this imply? Consult your knowledge base for Latin roots and proceed.

Q: (L) So, the Latin root of realm is regimen, which means a domain or rulership or a system for the improvement of health. Does this mean that, and as I assume we are now moving into the STO realm, now, out of the STS realm?
A: Partly.

Q: (L) And also, can I infer from this, that the comet cluster exists in the other realm?
A: Partly.

Q: (L)Well, previously, you had said that the comet cluster would come before the realm border. Which indicated that the comet...
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, how can something so... you said it appears to be one single large body, and that our government knows that it’s on it’s way, and that apparently somebody has spotted it. Which direction is it coming from?
A: Direction?

Q: (L) Well, the comet cluster. That comet cluster, is, I am assuming, a real body, in third density experience, right? A part of a real cluster of bodies in third density experience. Is that correct?
A: Cluster can approach from all directions.

Q: (L) So, can I infer from what has been said, that we are going to move into this comet cluster, as into a realm?
A: Border changes rules.

Q: (L) But if we run into the comet cluster before we cross the border, then, I mean, I would understand if we were going into the realm border first...
A: Part in part out.

Q: (L) OK, is this so-called HAARP project instrumental in any of these realm border changes, these realm changes?
A: All is interconnected, as usual.

Q: (L) Anybody got any questions on this? What is the thing that is going on nowadays... let me ask about this. Roxanne sent me some information about the Do-ma, or space goddesses who rule the grays, supposedly. Apparently there is a whole group of people, including government officials, involved in this Do-ma cult.
A: Yeah, right!

Q: (L) Well, that was my feeling. I sent...
A: Deception is everywhere! Scrambled brains, anyone?

Q: (L) Gotcha. I sent several chunks of the Cassiopaean transcripts off to Frank DeMarco. As I was requested to...
A: Wait and see.

Q: (L) In a nutshell, could you tell us what the re-emerging goddess images represent, nowadays?
(V) Programming?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Freddie, is there anything you need to know?
(V) I just want to know if they have anything they want to share with me, tha’s all. They know what all my questions are.
A: Open to all possibilities. Rigidity does not pay!

Q: (V) What are they talking about?
(L) I guess that last comment was for everybody. Be open to all possibilities. OK, well, we’ll stop for the night. Goodnight.
A: Good-bye.

End of Session

[After the termination of the session, I had doubts about some things relating to SV, so I asked for the C’s to come back and comment. LK]

Q: Hello. Are you there. I am not comfortable with this information about SV. It seems to be contradictory to everything I can observe and feel.
A: Hiklu Cassiopaea. Worry not further! Discomfort is not necessarily danger, and is indicative of growth and learning. So, proceed and celebrate!!

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March 29, 1996

Freddie, Laura

Q: Hello.
A: Hello.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us this evening?
A: Womol.

Q: (L) And where are you from?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) In the past week I have been going through some fairly severe trauma because of certain ideas and realizations I have been forced to face...
A: Stress, yes, trauma, no.

Q: (L) Well, it has felt traumatic to me. The first question I would like to ask is: in reading and analyzing the Bluebeard fairytale as a map of consciousness, am I correct in my understanding, that I am basically living the life of Bluebeard’s wife?
A: Close enough for now.

Q: (L) My application of this map of consciousness, so to speak, is not only in the area of my marriage, but also a number of other interactions. Is this correct as I understand it?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) What part is the maybe?
A: Learning is a complex process, answers follow study.

Q: (L) I studied the situation at length. One of the first things I determined was that my assessment on...
A: Interference from blossomer nearby.

Q: (L) Do you mean right now?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) [Child was discovered nearby, sent to bed.] What kind of interference do you get from a ‘blossomer,’ as you call them?
A: Soul discharges caused by efforts made by influences attracted by channel attempting to take over body of child in order to experience sensation of total euphoria!!

Q: (L) So, as a general rule, is this euphoria produced by watching television?
A: Can be enhanced. Warning!! Littlest one is most susceptible to total possession by extremely STS oriented forces during sessions, and must be kept away at all costs!!!! There have been instnaces where perceived health disturbances by this one and others have been, in reality, up to 30 percent possession! Lungs are the “weak link,” and it is your psychic abilities that have caused the troubles in the past.

Q: (L) You mean that what I am doing is causing problems for my children?
A: No.

Q: (L) Then why have my psychic abilities caused health troubles in the past?
A: Because you were less aware at that point, and your abilities went into a surge.

Q: (L) Well, it seems to me that I have a strong tendency to manifest my psychic and emotional state physically; not only in my own body, but also in manifestations and events around me.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Back when we first moved into this house, we had a burgler break in during the night. I have always been troubled by the fact that a strange man broke into my house, the symbology of it. The other night, I was reading about dreams of people breaking into one’s house being a warning that there is extreme danger from the deep subconscious. These dreams always have a strong physiological manifestation. Well, I had an ‘intruder dream,’ and it WAS like this. But then, I thought about the actual intruder being a psychically manifested warning in the flesh.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was the fact that it could manifest in a physical way any kind of indication of the seriousness of the threat?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there any particular thing that I ought or could do to further protect the children?
A: Open, but suggestion would be to organize more.

Q: (L) In what sense?
A: The children.

Q: (L) I don’t understand. Do you mean being more strict in terms of regimen?
A: Close.

Q: (L) In the sense of bedtime rituals or something? Prayers?
A: Maybe, but also other.

Q: (L) Limiting watching television?
A: We have told you some things...

Q: (L) Okay...
A: Imagine an interruption that leads to problems.

Q: (L) Are you saying that ‘idle hands are the Devil’s tools?’
A: No, because free will is paramount.

Q: (L) Just give me more of a hint.
A: Organize.

Q: (L) Send them to bed before we channel?
A: Up to you.

Q: (L) Is Ali also susceptible?
A: Not blossoming.

Q: (L) Are they alright in their bedrooms?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does it have something to do with physical distance?
A: Awareness.

Q: (L) Are you saying that their awareness of what we are doing establishes the connection?
A: Close.

Q: (L) And I should organize them more. So, I should have them ready and in bed before we work.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Back to my question: the intruder dream the other night was VERY disturbing. In the dream, I tried to wake my husband to tell him that some one or something was in our house, I discovered that he was paralyzed. He was like my friend Keith... can you help me with this image?
A: Learning is fun!

Q: (L) Well, it was not fun! My heart was about to pound out of my chest, and I ended up sitting in a chair half the night. There was a realization that I have been being drained by a lot of people for a long time...
A: Yours to look and discover. Not ours to help you “cheat!”

Q: (L) No cheating, huh. I can’t look at the answers in the back of the book. Okay, let me ask you this: is there any significance to the fact that L’s mother’s maiden name was Rheindress?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Well, you are not helping! I have been seeing things so completely differently lately. I even see that you have given all sorts of clues about this that just went over my head...
A: Laura, please learn just to trust your expanding insights. They will bring you to ever increasing knowledge and ability. But, you want us to lead you by the hand. All this can do is ultimately lead this channel and conduit into an STS vehicle!

Q: (L) That is not what I am trying to do here! I am trying to expand on a learning experience to help other people.
A: You have the ability to do that all on your own!! Cannot you see this yet?

Q: (L) I am still in the process of making major changes in my life based on such insights...
A: And, how do you feel when you make a decision to make one of these changes?

Q: (L) It hurts to make some decisions, even if I feel that it is the right thing to do. It can be painful and scary.
A: Relief?

Q: (L) Definitely relief!
A: And...

Q: (L) I have some little hope that maybe something else will happen to help with the work if I make sure that my own life is clean. I am cutting off my financial support, and that is frightening. But, right now, I had another thought... I recently received some information about the Denver Airport. It seems that there is confirmation that this Airport does have some connection to something very mysterious. And, you brought this up in the very first contact. Is there something more on this?
A: Wait and see.

Q: (L) I also learned that the sighting of flying boomerangs over in England, quite some years back, was also accompanied by messages that came through a board to some kids in a town some distance away, and that those messages were very similar to some of what we have received. In fact, the opening messages were warnings about alien bases! I am very curious about that. There were so many things about that particular case that are so similar in dynamics... When something very negative happens in the Earth, does it necessarily make an opening for a balancing of positive energy?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Can you tell me anything else about it? The Clapham Wood incident back in the 70’s?
A: No.

Q: (L) Well, that is not helping me.
A: It is, but not as you think. Stonehenge power. Vortex. Magnetic principles understood by you when you occupied other bodies, ask Hilliard, ole boy.

Q: (L) There have been a number of hints that Hilliard has some knowledge that he may be withholding. Does he have knowledge that is important, and how can I persuade him to tell me?
A: Massive, and probe directly after promising absolute confidence... and don’t break it!!!

Q: (L) Okay, I will. Well, back to the situation. I am between a rock and a hard place.
A: Not really.

Q: (L) Easy for you to say.
A: Wait and see.

Q: (L) Well, rereading back over the transcripts, there seems to be some very interesting stuff about the Thule Society and some things about a Nordic Covenant, and this seems to be very mysterious and connected with activities going on in Antarctica. Well, I read the place where it was said that the Lizard beings were slaves and pets of the Orions. That seems to be extremely significant.
A: When you get money, pay someone to transcribe.

Q: (L) I will do it myself as quickly as possible... SV was supposed to help me with this... but obviously she is fading from the picture here...

A: Maybe, maybe not, you are not completely incontrol of all possible factors.

Q: (L) Well, however things work, I don’t really care right now. As soon as I can see again, I will get back to transcribing. I have sent some samples out to a couple of places. I have had some VERY positive responses...

A: Have fun!

Q: (L) What is that supposed to mean? I don’t like the sound of that! The other day when you said ‘celebrate!’ all I did was suffer!

A: Stop suffering!

Q: (L) I can’t help it! I feel so sorry for L! He is a master at being a victim! It tears me apart! Back to my questions. Is the Nordic Covenant what has charge of this genetic project to prepare a ‘breeding ground’ for the Nephilim?
A: No.

Q: (L) What does the Nordic Covenant do?
A: Discover.

Q: (L) How am I supposed to do that? I can see myself going up to somebody: “Hi! Are you a member of the Nordic Covenant? I’d like to know what is going on in your head?! What do you think about?” Right! Well, I am tired. Anything else for the protection of the children?
A: We have told you.

Q: (L) Anything I need to know about my situation? I feel pretty desperate.
A: Has it been “desperate” before?

Q: (L) Yes.
A: Did you turn into dust?

Q: (L) No, but I thought I would!
A: What about your settlement?

Q: (L) God knows when that will happen! You won’t tell me!
A: If we did, you’d become a “softie.”

Q: (L) It seems that over the course of time, you have turned us more and more in the direction of learning on our own. Does this mean that it is winding down to come to a halt?
A: No.

Q: (L) Can you tell me what this means?
A: You needed more assistance earlier.

Q: (L) Well, am I correct in the MPD idea regarding SV?
A: Pursue with an open mind and cross check all analyses.

Q: (L) Okay. I am concerned about the baby. Should I do a spirit release for her?
A: Why?

Q: (L) Well, her lungs seem to be pretty reactive right now. She is having a rough time right now.
A: Regulate diet, it is abysmal!!

Q: (L) What about her diet?
A: Sugar, out!!! Fats reduced, leafy vegetables increased, sleep coordinated.

Q: (L) Okay, speaking of diet... the Atkins diet seems to be logical... but it increases fats and proteins.
A: Waistline okay, heart smart?! Naah!

Q: (L) You talked once about passing a test, that I was being tested in some way... that this had something to do with SV... I would like to know if this was the test?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Well, I have to get up early, and my mind is drifting, so I will say good night.
A: Good night.

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April 24, 1996

Freddie, Laura

Q: (L) Hello. Is it okay to work in this room since Ali has taken our work room tonight?
A: Necessities produce changes.

Q: (L) And who do we have with us tonight?
A: Siril.

Q: (L) And where are you transmitting from?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) I would like to deal with certain issues relating to the progress of this “mission” or “project” as you have described it. As you know, we have experienced serious disruptions and “attack” in recent months. I came to a conclusion that my husband is a robot person. But, I am not going to ask you to confirm or deny that. I came to that idea through information in the transcripts. What I do want to know is: is it likely now that much of the attack will cease since that energy has been removed from my environment?

A: Maybe, but not necessarily in the ways you think!

Q: (L) Well, since I have been through such a terrible ordeal in the past year, what is there to encourage me?
A: Vague.

Q: (L) Okay, is my husband a robot person?
A: Listen. Open.

Q: (L) What do I need to listen to?
A: See.

Q: (L) Am I going to see something?
A: Robot or not, all are programmed.

Q: (L) All are programmed including myself and Freddie?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, considering a lot of my internal experiences, I had already come to this conclusion. What is the objective of this programming? A: It is too complex to explain yet.

Q: (L) What was the source or cause of the complete loss of my voice for several weeks?
A: Q plasma bacterial infection. Ask Wu.

Q: (L) You mean Dr. Vu?
A: Yes. Pronounced Wu in southern oriental inflective tone. [Yes, it IS Wu, and I DID ask. This is a definition of an “unknown” or “unidentifiable” bacteria which the medical profession labels “quelle” to indicate its unknown origin.]

Q: (L) I was analyzing some of the material regarding the recent episode with SV and her mother. To this point, she still has done none of the things that you advised her to do in response to her requests for advice. I told her that I was very angry that she took so much of my time and energy and still did none of the things advised, resulting in EVERYONE being upset. Now, I had someone call me and tell me that SV was involved in some sort of coven or very dark organization. I just have a very difficult time believing this. How can she speak so disparagingly of such things and then, be a part of such? Yet, the source of the information knew things that “clicked” and could not possibly have been said unless this was true. Is it possible that SV could have multiple personalities and one of her other “selves” is doing this? As in Greenbaum?
A: Sure!

Q: (L) Is it possible for either Freddie or I to be involved in such and not be aware of it?
A: Yes, but it is not that.

Q: (L) Does that mean that there IS some other thing that we are involved in, in some other aspects of our selves, that we are not aware of?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Is this something that happens in altered states or in sleep states?
A: Not happens, happened.

Q: (L) Something that happened in the past?
A: Laura, you need to consult a powerful, practiced, effective hypnotherapist to unlock these questions for you.

Q: (L) Is this something I could do for Freddie in the meantime? Obviously Freddie could have a big piece of the puzzle locked up in there...
A: Both of you and others. The locks have been installed in such a way that it is literally impossible for you to unlock them, as they were installed with full knowledge of present circumstances.

Q: (L) Who installed these locks?
A: Supremely powerful STS consortium!!

Q: (L) And what circumstances were they aware of, as you have mentioned, when they installed these locks?
A: All.

Q: (L) You are the Cassiopaeans, correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And you are STO?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And you are telling us that we have locks on knowledge installed in us, installed by supremely powerful STS consortium. Can we not, in our conscious state, reject this programming, and ask you to inform us of this information?
A: Not possible!

Q: (L) What is not possible?
A: What you just asked.

Q: (L) You mean we can’t change our minds, or you can’t inform us?
A: Incorrect analysis.

Q: (L) Give me the correct analysis.
A: You cannot unlock, and we cannot tell you details of what, or why.

Q: (L) Why can you not tell us?
A: Free will violation, and endangerment of you if done thusly.

Q: (L) Is there some way to do it that does not endanger us?
A: We have told you.

Q: (L) Is it a danger to us to NOT unlock these things?
A: In a sense.

Q: (L) When I was kidnapped at the age of 3 or 4 in Jacksonville, how many days was I missing. My mother simply has a blank about it, which amazes her.
A: 12 days.

Q: (L) Who was it that kidnapped me?
A: Jan.

Q: (L) Who was Jan?
A: Corps member.

Q: (L) What corps is this?
A: Select division of economic legion under control of G5.

Q: (L) Economic legion? What is G5?
A: Intel.

Q: (L) What was the purpose of this kidnapping?
A: To install self-destruct programming.

Q: (L) So, this Jan was known to us as “Cecil Brien.”
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And he more or less overwhelmed my mother and persuaded her to marry him just to get at me? I find this to be incredible!
A: It was easy at the time. She was vulnerable.

Q: (L) So, I have a “self-destruct” program. And Freddie has one also?
A: Similar, but not an exact copy so as to mask.

Q: (L) Was Freddie abducted in a similar fashion?
A: Close, but not exactly.

Q: (L) Was Freddie’s pneumonia when he was a child, that nearly killed him, part of this self-destruct program?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was Freddie’s father also programmed?
A: Semi.

Q: (L) Well. I think we can safely assume that every member of our families have had some sort of program installed, if only to facilitate our programming. This whole situation is beginning to sound inexpressibly grim.
A: Grim?!? You have lived decades after these episodes! How many brethren? Multiples of millions!

Q: (L) That is why I am saying it is pretty damn grim...
A: And it is part of a natural process, do not forget.

Q: (L) Well, we need some help from the good guys. Or, is it that unless we can figure it out we are stuck?
A: No.

Q: (L) It sounds so dreadful. We need some help here. I am becoming VERY tired.
A: You only need knowledge.

Q: (L) Have any of my children been programmed?
A: Open.

Q: (L) My daughter A has been going through a terrible time. I have taken her to the doctors several times. Can you tell me what is wrong with her?
A: Desire for acceptance.

Q: (L) What will help?
A: Patience. She is headstrong.

Q: (L) You can say THAT again! Recently I talked to a fellow who was telling me about discovering the trainload of Nazi treasures in a cave in the Harz Mountains. He was asking for investors. If I were to get my settlement in time, ought I to invest in this?
A: Does herpetologist study his/her subject by travelling naked into a snake pit?

Q: (L) Okay, that settles that. What about the settlement?
A: Your settlement is being delayed by those purporting to be on your side.

Q: (L) Is LM going to give me any further problem?
A: Not if you “cut him loose” completely.

Q: (L) What does that mean?
A: Give him ultimate freedom.

Q: (L) Well, I want to have a little direction here.
A: Concentrate on settlement. This can be a problem solver if handled wisely, a curse if not so! Use some of the funds to locate a “superhypnotherapist.”

Q: (L) Who might this person be? A clue?
A: No.

Q: (L) Is there some progress that we can make on our own?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Give me a clue... I want something that will blow me off my chair and enrich my life which is so grim... produce knowledge that will protect me...
A: Won’t succeed until locks are blown off in proper way.

Q: (L) Well, I hope I survive until then.
A: Refer to previous answer.

Q: (L) If you guys were here, I’d throw something at you!
A: We’d dodge!

Q: (L) Well, you see my problem here... I guess I just want to know that there is someone out there who cares...
A: You should by now.

Q: (L) Then you guys ought to get behind my lawyer and jack him up...
A: We do, through you.

Q: (L) Tell me about DF, who is supposed to be part of the intel network?
A: Not so.

Q: (L) What is not so?
A: Intel.

Q: (L) You mean, the claimed intelligence connection?
A: “Remember the Brockinton!”

Q: (L) Well, DF does not go around exactly claiming he is connected like AB does...
A: Intel does not spew on the internet.

Q: (L) So, we have a LOT of stuff locked up inside and all we have to do is find the key...
A: Yes, exactly.

Q: (L) Anything else...
A: Beware of cardiac concerns. Not what is, what may be.

Q: (L) What specifically?
A: Possible thrombosis in future.

Q: (L) What can I do to avoid such?
A: Many things, but most important is your attitude. You must decrease your anger.

Q: (L) Well, I thought I had basically done with that when I asked Lewis for divorce? What am I angry about?
A: Much, but especially dark past occurrences, some locked, some not.

Q: (L) What past occurrences?
A: What was done to you.

Q: (L) You mean the kidnapping and possible alien interference?
A: And other.

Q: (L) Do you mean LM?
A: Not mainly.

Q: (L) Well, can I ask this: did LM ever, at any point in our marriage, care for me at all?
A: The way he does.

Q: (L) That says it all. But, what are they talking about? What was done to me?
A: Violations.

Q: (L) In the process of programming me to destroy myself, was I physically and sexually violated? I have absolutely NO memory of ANY of that. Are you talking about when I was a child?
A: Yes. And other.

Q: (L) Can you tell me what ages?
A: 2,4,7,10,17,22,44

Q: (L) When I was 2, I was abducted?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And when I was 4? I was kidnapped and programmed?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And when I was 7 I was abducted?
A: Yes, and...

Q: (L) I was programmed then, too?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) When I was 10... Abducted?
A: Yes...

Q: (L) Well, I am just going to have to think about all this... Looks like a good lotto number!
A: Open.

Q: (L) Don’t you guys believe in FUN?
A: Yes. Good Night.

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April 28, 1996

Fred, PZ, Laura.

Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello.

Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Vordkon.

Q: (L) And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) We had a little chat with Sandra and we thank you for that. Now, we have been discussing a lot of different things here, and the main thing that I have been focusing on is the trap of emotions. I would like to know if this trap is foisted upon us from external sources?
A: The formula is “foisted.”

Q: (L) What is the formula?
A: Set pattern, like a maze.

Q: (L) Okay. And what is the most effective way to get out of this maze of emotional control?
A: Calculate.

Q: (L) Is there anything that can be done when one is in process of extricating oneself from an emotional trap to cut off or ease the pain of it? It quite literally hurts.
A: No need to ease.

Q: (L) Well, once you have done it and gone through it, or, more particularly, once you see that it is a trap, it doesn’t hurt anymore - or lessens. Another thing is that we all have been affected by being sucked into emotional traps, seemingly since birth. Is this common for all people?
A: All? No, most, yes.

Q: (L) Would it be a fair statement to say that people who have potential to do very positive things in terms of clearing away and understanding the reality in which we exist, might be primary targets for this emotional turmoil?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Can you tell us what might be the characteristics of a person who is not caught in the emotional trap?
A: Embracing? No. Uniting? Yes.

Q: (L) Ah! So, you are saying that people who can clear the emotional traps can unite in a higher emotional sense?
A: Emotions are chemicals only.

Q: (L) So, if emotions are chemical only, is it true that when one is in physical proximity to certain people, that perhaps their frequency vibrations cause these chemicals to be stimulated or generated within us?
A: Okay.

Q: (L) And, that it takes great force of will and mental power to counteract this physical action?
A: No, just practice.

Q: (L) Okay, once you have done it a few times in small ways, you can build up to big ones?
A: Not quite correct concept.

Q: (L) I was reading this piece sent to us on the internet where this Cosmic Awareness source talks about people who deliberately have come in because, since the good guys really can’t interfere from the outside, because it would violate free will, that many of them incarnate and thereby partake of the physical experience, and then wake up and be able to do the things that are needed on the planet. The object being to try to make sure that they will awaken to their purpose, and that emotions and emotional traps are used repeatedly and continuously to try to prevent them from awakening. What I am getting at is: what are the things that we can do to awaken? You have told us many times that we need to awaken. Obviously we are not fully awakened. We are aware of that. Is there some other thing we can do?
A: Let it happen naturally. If you are on a path, do you seek to jump up into the air and fly to the end of the path? If you did, you would regret missing the “rest of the path.”

Q: (L) A lot of very strange things have been happening... Sandra and her heart attack, Amy and her ankle, the terrible sicknesses I have had in the past months, Aletheia talking about the things that have happened in her experiences... it seems like, to me, that the situation in terms of attack is really heating up. Can you comment on this?
A: No.

Q: (L) Well, thanks a lot! Can we ask questions about it?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, my eye infections, the ear problems, the loss of my voice for so long... were these part of the attack process?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) My mother also fell down and has a black eye. I am trying to find the portal? What is the portal through which all this attack is coming?
A: Discover.

Q: (L) Did we already discover it in part, i.e. SV and her mother and that situation?
A: No.

Q: (L) Are you saying that SV is not a portal?
A: People are not portals!!! They are only victims of the things that come through the portals. Otherwise, many could describe you as a “portal.”

Q: (L) Well, I never said that I wasn’t. Speaking of that...
A: When you concentrate on the people as portals, you falsely direct negative energy upon the soul units themselves. Rather like treating acne with the therapy to be found in a shotgun!

Q: (L) What is the appropriate response when you are in a situation and you know that the person is being victimized, yes, by the forces coming through the portal, but their victimization is causing you a great deal of problems? What is the appropriate response here?
A: How do you view those afflicted with disease? Do you throw rocks at them?!?

Q: (L) Well, no, you don’t throw rocks at them...
A: What do you do, then?

Q: (L) Well, a person with a disease: you send or take them to a doctor or suggest that they go to a doctor.
A: For what purpose?

Q: (L) To discover the diagnosis of the disease, to obtain medicine, to either relieve the symptoms or cure the disease.
A: Bingo!

Q: (L) We are talking about people who won’t even admit they have a disease! How do you tell someone to go to a doctor when they don’t think they are sick? Most people do NOT believe that they are subject to control or manipulation from other densities! You have told a number of people that they were going to be subjected to attack and manipulation and they have blithely said ‘Oh, there is nothing in our lives that would permit that...’
A: Denial is not incurable until you give up. Patience combined with kind invitations to participate in the learning process eventually allows the victim to awaken, thus to be open to cure. This helps you to build the “army” you seek. Isolation cures nothing. Thereby stiffling progress, as any and all will ultimately be seen as “portals.” Rather like “spinning one’s wheels,” yes??

Q: (L) So, in other words, you are saying I should remain married to my husband, I should have SV and other disruptive and destructive people over here constantly to ‘participate’ in the learning process?
A: The point is not to rigidly adhere to specific lifestyles, nor maintain exact patterning of behavior, merely to not close doors completely and permanently.

Q: (L) Okay, if a person were, say, a robot person, when a person becomes a robot person, what happens to the soul of the robot person?
A: Same process.

Q: (L) As what?
A: Death.

Q: (L) So, a person can die and leave their body, their body can be taken over and reanimated and controlled to function a and do a lot of things for a long time. Meanwhile, the original soul has completely departed to 5th density ready to recycle?
A: Yes, but body is replaced, not reanimated.

Q: (L) Is this what happened to Lewis when he had that surgery back in 1981?
A: We caution that, even though you have met 7 “robots,” in your entire lifetime, not to “see” them under every bush or around every corner. You have met so many people in your life. We gave you one, and only one!!

Q: (L) What was the source of the dream where this was stated to me quite clearly?
A: Dreams are the best forum for disinformation that exists.

Q: (L) Okay. I can see that. But, at the same time they are also one of the best ways to get information from the subconscious and the higher conscious, is this not true?
A: We have mentioned dualities a lot!!

Q: (L) Skipping the disinformation part, and just getting to the analysis part, the story of Bluebeard... I am still of the opinion, robot person or not, I am doing the right thing. Is it possible that, even in this situation, that I am caught up in an emotional trap?
A: Sure. This learrning thing is anything but easy!

Q: (L) Yes, that’s all fine and dandy, but we are talking about breaking up my whole life here...
A: Maybe, maybe not.

Q: (L) What good is channeling if it does not help you to make decisions once in a while. Once in a while, I say. Not all the time. Or to help clarify things! To put additional light on it instead of muddying the water!
A: We are not “muddying” the water,” only you can do that!

Q: (L) Well, enough of that...
A: No, not enough of that. And a much needed pointer for you: answers to questions of global or universal significance provide for a greater personal learning than direct personal inquiries. If you disagree, check transcripts and especially untranscribed sessions for validation! You will see, my dear!!

Q: (L) Well, that is why I said that was enough of that because I don’t want to talk about my personal stuff anymore. I did think that the thing about the robot people was pretty significant, but obviously it is not that significant or important. There’s two million of them on the planet, and I have been told that I have encountered seven. I did think that this was a pretty high ratio of robot people for one person to encounter...
A: Yes, but your life path has been unusual. And you have met 4588 people personally!

Q: (L) How many people has Freddie met?
A: 2754.

Q: (L) How many were robots?
A: 3.

Q: (L) How many has PZ met?
A: 3856.

Q: (L) How many robots?
A: 1.

Q: (L) So, why seven for me - yeah, we know the path is unusual...
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Can you tell me in what sense it is unusual?
A: Can’t you?

Q: (L) Well, I thought I would trick you into telling me...
A: No tricks, we only treat.

Q: (L) Oh, okay...
(P) Will they tell us who are the robots we have met?
(L) Probably not...
A: Susan Stockton.

Q: (L) That was the one they named before...
A: What better disguise? A nudist!

Q: (L) That was funny! I tell you, the Emperor has no clothes!
(P) Won’t you tell me who it is that I have met?
A: Nope.

Q: (L) I am so tired now that I cannot formulate a legitimate, reasonable, intelligent or coherent question of global or universal significance, we will say goodnight.
A: Good Night.

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May 4, 1996

Freddie, TomH, TomK, Laura

Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello.

Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Lorra.

Q: (L) And where do you transmit from?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) One of the things we talked about the last time Tom was here was about the underground bases and military interference in civilian affairs and civilian interface with military affairs. What further can you tell us about this?
A: Ask specific questions, please.

Q: (L) One of the questions we were dealing with was the use of warfare to create situations in which bodies could be taken...
A: Warfare has many “uses.”

Q: (L) Could you list for us some of the most common uses of warfare?
A: Generation of environment to facilitate inconspicuous replacement of gene pool. Factors in paradigm shift through stimulation of conception activity, replacement of key personnel according to frequency vibration pre-readings...

Q: (TH) Who or what in the gene pool is being replaced?
(TK) Whoever they want replaced.
(L) Well, you know how it is in the movies... everybody is indiscriminately making love before they go into battle...
(F) Yes... they said ‘factors in paradigm shift through stimulation of conception activity...’ (L) ‘Replacement of key personnel according to frequency vibration pre-readings...’ Okay: do you mean to say that war...
A: Creates “environment” for unnoticed genetic modifications because of greatly heightened exchange of both physical and ethereal factors.

Q: (L) What do you mean by “replacement of key personnel?” Key personnel according to whose definition?
A: 4th density STS.

Q: (L) Are these key personnel human?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) When you say replacement, do you mean something as simple as someone dying, such as a head of state, and being replaced by another person who comes to power? That would be the simplest scenario that would fit this explanation.
A: Your scenario is not simple.

Q: (L) I mean simple in terms of the machinations...
A: Both.

Q: (L) Would it also be that key personnel could also be replaced as in duplication?
A: Yes. And removing to secret activity realm. Enough wars have taken place to effectively create entire new “underground race” of humans, both from direct capture followed by “reeducation,” and spawning activity using these persons and others.

Q: (L) What do you mean by spawning activity?
A: Those captured have reproduced offspring, these never having seen your world.

Q: (L) Are you saying...
(TK) They have given birth and these children have never seen our world...
(L) How can an entire race of people, or groups of people, live under the surface of this planet, without the whole 6 billion of the rest of us on top, or at least a large number, realizing that there is anything going on? This is so wild an idea...
A: No. How much space exists underground, as opposed to that on the surface?

Q: (L) A lot, I suppose. You aren’t saying that the earth is hollow, are you?
A: No, not exactly.

Q: (L) Well, how deep is the deepest of these underground cities?
A: 3,108 miles.

Q: (L) That’s pretty deep! But wouldn’t it be too hot at that depth?
A: No. Temperature averages 68 degrees F.

Q: (TK) That’s pretty comfortable!
(L) How do they have light?
A: Magnetic resonance.

Q: (L) Well, aren’t they subject to being crushed by earthquakes?
A: No, earthquakes are not felt deep underground!!

Q: (L) Does any of this underground civilization activity have any relation to this massive underground base the Russians are building?
A: No.

Q: (TK) Is any of this under the ocean?
A: Yes.

Q: (TK) Well, we’ll never explore all of what is under the ocean. (L) It just staggers the mind to think about it. What do they want these people for?
A: To replace you.

Q: (TK) And why? Because they can control them better. Right?
A: Completely.

Q: (L) Do these people being bred and raised in these underground cities have souls?
A: Yes, most.

Q: (TK) Are they just like us only raised differently?
A: More complicated than that.

Q: (L) How long have they been doing this?
A: 14,000 years, approximately.

Q: (L) If they have been doing it that long, obviously the ones they have taken at the beginning have croaked and are of no use to replace anybody on the earth unless they have been replacing people from time to time for various reasons...
A: No, their technology makes yours look like Neanderthal by comparison! Hibernation tubes... One heartbeat per hour, for example.

Q: (TH) That means that for every year we live, they would live 4200 years... (L) Does any of this have anything to do with that crazy pit at Oak Island?
A: In an offhand way.

Q: (L) How do we fit into all of this?
(TK) We don’t!
A: You have been the “preparation committee.”

Q: (L) What have we been doing? Is it part of the plan for us to destroy the planet, destroy the ozone layer, pollute the seas and so forth to make it more habitable for them?
A: Those things are inconsequential and easily repaired.

Q: (TK) With their technology, they can fix all of that.
(L) This is really horrible, you know! To think of all this...
(TK) Apparently, from what I am understanding, they can’t just come in and wipe us out and replace us, because the ‘rules’ won’t allow it.
A: Yet the natural cycles within the framework of the natural order of things will allow all these things to fall into place.

Q: (L) Is there some law within the realm of these beings, sort of like the law of gravity, that prevents them from just coming in and taking over?
A: No.

Q: (TK) I don’t think it is like the law of gravity...
A: What “law” is there that inhibits you from manipulating 2nd density beings at will?!?

Q: (L) Well, I don’t go out and deliberately hurt or manipulate anything or anybody.
(TK) Of course, in our handling of these ‘critters,’ we are conserving them in some ways so that we will have an ongoing food supply...
(TK) I think there are rules to the game. It’s like a chess game. They can’t just come in and change things, it has to progress in some way. But, there are loopholes and they can sneak in and manipulate and get away with some things...
(TH) Then, there aren’t rules - there are just guidelines.
A: Two important points there: 1) When we said “you,” we meant 3rd density collectively. 2) You missed our statement about the natural cycle and order of things almost completely. We suggest you reread and ponder... Also, what if your race is manipulated to destroy yourselves, or, just hang around until the next natural cataclysm?

Q: (TK) Well, it seems like there is another side that is trying to prevent them from gaining control.
(L) Well, from what I understand, the only thing the good guys are able to do is, because of free will, they have to wait to be asked for help, and the only they thing they can really do is give information.
(F) Well, this is valuable if used by the right people at the right time.
(TK) You have to come up with the right questions, too. You have to have enough information to be able to come up with the right questions. I am sure the information is there. You have one group with all these people underground and they want to take over the planet. This group likes being 4th density - they don’t want to advance. They want to block advancement. Then, you have the group that want to advance, they want the natural order to proceed. This negative group wants to stay there and keep everyone they can there.
(L) And because they deplete themselves and diminish in numbers, they keep having to supply their needs and existence.
(TK) If, by some odd chance, the earth is the only place where people come to advance, then sooner or later it is going to stop, if these other guys take over, then it will just stop... implode.
(TH) I know! The earth is a 4th density theme park!
(L) We already thought of that... we all have an ‘E’ ticket ride!
(TK) Obviously we have the information, but we haven’t really dug deep enough so that we don’t know the questions that we need to ask. Is this true?
A: No.

Q: (TK) Is what I was saying close to the truth?
A: Yes. Total truth is elusive.

Q: (TK) So, what I said was the gist of what is going on here. So, we have to figure out what we are supposed to do so that the earth can be maintained...
A: You will do what you will do.

Q: (TK) This is true.
A: Do you, in general, control 2nd density beings on earth?

Q: (L) Yes.
A: So, what is “fair” about that?

Q: (L) Nothing.
A: Okay, so what is the difference?!?!???

Q: (TK) So, basically, we control 2nd density, and 4th density controls us. There are the good guys and bad guys.
(L) And we will do what we will do. Either we choose to align ourselves with the good guys, or with the bad guys.
A: It’s up to you.

Q: (TK) However, if too many people themselves with the bad guys, then the balance tips in their favor, and there is no more advancement, so there has to be education so that people will know...
A: Tom, you are close, but you are missing the point.

Q: (L) What is the point?
A: The point is, there “has to be” nothing. You will do what you will do. You choose. We have told you this repeatedly, but you still suffer from self-centered perspective.

Q: (TK) Everybody is worried about themselves. They all want to be saved and not worry about others.
A: More to the point, everybody in an STS realm views themselves as somehow “special, chosen, or protected.” This is simply not so!!

Q: (TK) What is going to happen, is going to happen. The people...
A: The body does not matter. It is the soul that either progresses or digresses, just ask Sandra!

Q: (L) Did Sandra progress or digress?
A: Open.

Q: (L) So, in other words, we could just sit around and live our lives and have a good time and not worry about a damn thing. Is that the point?
A: No.

Q: (L) It’s our choices?
A: Yes.

Q: (TK) The point is it’s going to happen...
A: But, nobody is there to intervene on your behalf as many would like to believe.

Q: (L) So, we are here on this planet, and we will either make it or we won’t, just like Dorothy and Toto in Oz, based on our own ability to figure it out, to overcome the odds, the witch, monkeys and soldiers...
(TK) Maybe what they are trying to do is give people the information, or make the information available so that people can make the choice, do they want to stay...
A: We are not “trying” to do anything. We are here to answer questions if asked. We cannot interfere.

Q: (TK) Yes, the non-interference idea is pretty clear and understandable. So, they cannot interfere...
A: And, even when we answer, you may not believe, it is up to you!

Q: (L) So, we are really on our own!
A: You always have been, and so have we, and all others, too!!

Q: (TK) I guess then, it is a matter of asking the right questions so that you will know what course of action to take. I mean, do you want to advance? Do you want to go to 4th density? Or do you want to go higher? Or do you want to stay here? How can you make an informed choice if you don’t know the true conditions and what your options are?
(L) Is it that the religions that have been generated and foisted on the human race, have been designed to give people a feeling of complacency or faith in something outside themselves, and that this prevents them from seeking knowledge, opening their eyes, facing the facts of their existence, and therefore keeps them in bondage?
A: Its just obstacles, as always. You employ those too, for your 2nd density friends!!

Q: (TK) What state of mind do you have to have to want to advance?
(F) Well, you know you are on the path when you can see that the words don’t match the facts of life. Think of all the people you have met with whom you may have had a philosophical conversation. How many will say: Oh, all I need is the Bible. That’s all I pay any attention to.
(TK) I don’t have many philosophical conversations with people because I rarely agree with anything that is said.
(F) Well, you must have decided on this because you tried it and found it didn’t work.
(TK) I have a real problem... yes, the Bible has been around for a long time, and religion has been around for a long time... but I have a real problem believing something that is so obviously produced by humans with agendas of their own!
(F) But most people that you tell that to will say: Oh, no! People didn’t write the Bible, God did! Or, they could be a complete athiest and believe only in the religion of science.
(TK) I believe that a person is supposed to live by rules and treat people with respect and honor life... and some of the ideas of religion are good... but they just go over the edge.
(F) That is how they suck people in. Mix lies with the truth.
(L) Yes, a lie sandwiched between two truths makes it easier to swallow.
(F) Yes, if it was ALL false, the vast majority of people would have figured it out immediately. Or, very quickly.
(TK) The vast majority don’t care. They just want to be led like sheep. They don’t want any responsibility.
(F) And what happens to the vast majority of cattle? They munch away in their pasture until time to get in the truck to go to the butcher.
(TK) Well, after all my years in the military, I have gotten to the point that I just don’t trust anybody with authority.
(F) And, if you talk to the religious types, they will say: Oh, I don’t have any answers... I just follow the Bible.
(L) Not only do they not have any answers, they don’t have any questions, either. And, I think that is the clue. The people who are still asking questions after wading through all the religions and mystical mumbo-jumbo. The ones who think they have found the ultimate answer are - well - lunch! (TK) The whole purpose of life, it seems to me, is to obtain knowledge and advance. You are stuck on this level until you figure it out. But what are you supposed to figure out?
(L) I think that the knowing is the doing.
(TH) “Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.” It’s in the Bible!!!
(L) Is the knowing the key?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) I think that knowing changes your frequency. Is that true?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) The acknowledging and the seeing?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What did they tell us once... it’s not where you are, but who you are and what you see that counts.
(TK) So, we aren’t going to change what happens. There is no way we can have any appreciable effect on the underground armies... it is just a matter of changing ourselves and whoever else we can share with.
A: Correct, the cow has no effect on the health of the livestock industry...

Q: (TK) The cow has no effect on the herd. One cow doesn’t... or even a lot of cow.
(F) But there might be one or two cows that follow one that breaks out of the herd.
(TK) Yes, you might be able to affect somebody else’s life, but not the whole group. So, worrying about the underground stuff, is immaterial.
(L) But, knowing about it is.
(TK) All that survivalists, the militias and so forth. It is a complete waste of time.
(F) It is good to know what is going on.
(TK) But, could you know if you had an implant?
(L) Yes...
(TK) How, by asking?
(L) Well, that and examining your life and comparing with others. When you read the material, you find a lot of clues. It really opens your eyes.
(TK) Isn’t the implant and the brainwashing a little bit past the interference that the 4th density STS should be allowed?
(L) We have learned that knowing you have an implant and what it can do, you then can cancel it out by choices. Those who believe that their implant is for their own good, are, of course, completely subject to them.
(TK) Have I ever been abducted?
A: Ask Tom about your kidnapping... Tom must learn.

Q: (L) What could be done...
A: Why do you suppose Tom “chose” to enter the Navy?

Q: (L) Because he was manipulated to do so?
A: Was led.

Q: (L) What things happened in the Navy?
A: Ask Tom.

Q: (L) It seems that he has been living rather on the surface... have you just gone along from day to day without thinking too much about it?
(TK) Ummhmm.
A: No. That is what your “memory” tells you.

Q: (TK) I am getting a headache.
(L) That’s interesting. Why does he get the headaches?
A: Research the problem in order to learn. If we told you the answers to all these things, at this point, you would just shrug your shoulders and forget about it.

Q: (L) Is the shrugging of the shoulders a programmed response in him?
A: To an extent.

Q: (L) Okay, he mentioned the headaches beginning when he went on a particular camping trip. And, he is now trying to remember it, and it is causing him pain.
A: Hypnosis.

Q: (TK) The worst headache I ever had was when we were on our way to Japan and stopped in Hawaii. I went over to another ship to get some hydraulic fluid... on the way back, as I was coming back on the ship, I had a headache that was so bad I couldn’t even tolerate light or sound.
(L) You mean the kind where it hurts even to breathe?
(TK) Ummhmm.
(L) Well, I started having those after I woke up one night reversed in my bed with the bottom half of my nightgown wet. I know what they are like. Unbelievable pain.
A: Yes.

Q: (TK) Yes, nothing helps.
(L) Can you give Tom a little help here?
A: Sorry. Tom is at the point where it will not help him for us to “give him a little bit.”

Q: (F) Well, they never gave us point blank answers either.
(L) Well, of all the people who have come to the sessions, he is the first who has immediately understood what is going on and what it means.
(F) Most everyone else thinks they already know the answers... (L) Getting back to the underground bases, is the HAARP project connected to these underground bases.
A: Not directly.

Q: (L) You once said that HAARP was something that was to be used to “transfer perimeters.” I am assuming that this means to manipulate space, time and density.
A: Yes.

Q: Is it possible that they are planning to use this to bring up the Atlantean crystals to utilize.
A: Not so much to “bring up,” as to utilize.

Q: Is there anything to BRH’s idea about the “harmonics,” that it must be ready to function on a certain day and time?
A: No.

Q: In terms of what we understand - I know you aren’t going to answer it that way - if Tom tries to bring up the memories and understand, the headaches ought to go away...
(TK) I haven’t had any since I have been out of the Navy.
A: O’Brien is “lyin’”

Q: What is is about O’Brien?
A: Discover. Why is Tom there, of all places?!?

Q: Is there something in that area, some frequency from the earth, some electromagnetics or something, that can tend to...
A: Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe....

Q: It keeps a person quiescent and in the dark?
A: Stalling frequency... And by the way, can anyone come up with a purpose for the existence of Camp Blanding? Well??...

Q: (TK) Ask about Dave Whitfield... he lives nearby...
A: First, some blockbuster stuff for the Knighted ones... Look upon a detailed map, and reflect, remember lonely journeys from long ago, and begin to unlock shattering mysteries which will lead to revelations opening the door to the greatest learning burst yet!!

Q: (F) Oh, my. A LOT of questions...
(L) Was there more than one journey to Camp Blanding?
A: No.

Q: Only one?
A: For you.

Q: More than one for Tom?
A: ?

Q: You said “knighted ones,” as though there were some significance to the name...
A: Discover...

Q: Is there some genetic engineering here?
A: No, not in the sense you are thinking. But, all are in some sense.

Q: Why did my mother marry men who kept affecting our lives in such terrible ways?
A: Ask her.

Q: She has no answer. She is baffled herself.
A: So, get her to discover. That is where the clues lie.

Q: So, the clues lie with some of these people... We remember the trip with one of them - to North Carolina - when we were taken to school...
A: Why did he insist you go to boarding school? And why did your mother acquiesce?

Q: All this comes back to the original question, why Tom is in O’Brien, near Camp Blanding...
A: EM waves curdle the mind producing complacency in the face of contrived misery. Numbs the mind through isolationist infuences. Why are you there, Tom? Who begged you to stay there? EM waves emanate from?? Suggest you, Laura, go to library and research Camp Blanding. You may find a “black hole,” so to speak!!

Q: A black hole. Okay. Well, there is sure a lot of stuff that has gone on in our lives for which there is simply no rational explanation.
(TK) They sure have been giving a lot of stuff tonight without a lot of questions...
A: Visits through trees, forests, leading to a perfectly square clearing...

Q: (L) Hmmmm. Is Aunt H one of the generators of EM frequencies?
A: No, she is merely an unwitting agent.

Q: (L) Well, L is very isolationist in her tendencies. Is that a result of being in that area?
A: Same.

Q: (L) Well, what I REALLY want to know is WHY have we had all of these CRAZY things happen in our lives, and all of these people ranged all around us seemingly placed there, or manipulated deliberately to affect us negatively. I mean, am I wrong, or is this not a VERY unusual and crazy situation?
A: Why do you think?

Q: Well, I have no idea!
A: Because you are of the extremely rare and few who have the abilities to put the puzzle together.

Q: So, what are we supposed to do?
(TK) Discover.
A: Yes. And, for tonight, good night.

End of Session


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May 25, 1996

Freddie, Laura, SV

Q: (L) Hello.

[And the exact instant the planchette began to move, the outflow hose from the pool pump burst and began to shoot water straight into the air making the sound of a downpour on the roof of the house. We all rushed out to see, a temporary repair was made, and we came back in and settled to begin again.]

Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello and hello.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us this evening?
A: Yxorra.

Q: (L) And where do you transmit from?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) That was strange. Can you tell me what was the meaning of the bursting of the pool hose as we began a few minutes ago?
A: Weakened plastic fibers.

Q: (L) I expect so. But it was so synchronous that it happened at that precise instant!
A: Coincidence.

Q: (L) Well, I don’t think there are coincidences. Who are you kidding?
A: We are not kidding.

Q: (L) Well, okay. We have several issues just now...
A: Flute.

Q: (L) What does that mean?
A: You have one.

Q: (L) I don’t have a flute. Tell me about the flute.
A: Ponder.

Q: (L) Flute as in playing a tune? Another clue?
A: No.

Q: (L) And you want me to stop and ponder this right now? Well, you play music on a flute. Usually you play happy music on a flute.
A: Not point. On or not.

Q: (L) You guys are being really obscure tonight. Is flute significant in some way?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Is there another word or two you can give me for a clue?
A: D.

Q: (L) Fluted?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does ‘fluted’ have anything to do with ‘grooving?’
A: Columns.

Q: (L) What columns are we talking about?
A: Ionic.

Q: (L) Why are we talking about Ionic fluted columns?
A: Because they are a link to previous direct contact between humans and density 4 STO!

Q: (L) Okay, Ionic columns fluted and grooved...
A: Plastic hoses, fluted and grooved.

Q: (L) Well, you are getting more and more obscure. How do we establish this direct link between us and 4th density STO through the concept of fluting, and grooving, and columns?
A: Magnetic telemetry profile.

Q: (L) Are you suggesting that the hose with the water rushing through it can transmit something from 4th density STO to us?
A: Tranceive.

Q: (L) The original Ionic column structure was a hollow tube?
A: Not the point.

Q: (L) It is the fluting, grooving and spiralling that are important?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, once you mentioned that I ought to move the pool and install a maze, or spiral. Well, I am hoping to get some money from the insurance company soon, and I was thinking about putting in an in-ground pool as part of my improvements. Couldn’t I have the spiral inlaid in the bottom of the pool in tile.
A: Good. Suggest that you install a triple Ionic column with top beam and base, as the Romans and Greeks did, near the deep end.

[the next part of the discussion involves drawing the plan of said structure, and the design of the spiral]

A: Two sided triangle when seen from above, flat top of beam, no gables. 1.3 meters between bases of the three columns. Columns 1.6 meters tall. Base set at 30 degree angle. Center column placed to the East of the pool. Use pure spiral, counterclockwise, corresponding to Northern hemisphere of the planet.

Q: (L) Okay, once we have set this up, what is it going to do for us?
A: Empower 4th through 6th density STO channel transceiver.

Q: (L) Well, I guess I need to make some really big bucks to do this!
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, will I be able to do this soon?
A: That is up to you. If you follow guidance, yes.

Q: (L) Okay, D4 wanted me to ask a question for him. He has recently been in touch with a guy who claims to be a magician after the ilk of Aliester Crowley...
A: D4 has not followed our guidance. If D4 seeks answers, it is not wise for him to ignore “leads,” and seek inappropriate pathways instead!

Q: (L) Well... there is nothing I can do. He keeps sending me stuff from “Cosmic Awareness” and says “Gee, I wish the C’s could churn out stuff like this...” And yet, this Cosmic Awareness talked a lot about 1996 being the year when there was going to be a mass landing and a bunch of other stuff that obviously did NOT happen... so, what do you want here? Verbose fancy, or clues that must be worked? It is incredibly frustrating! Why would we want to churn out crap like that?
A: Push the man’s buttons.

Q: (L) Well, what do you mean?
A: Mount Palomar.

Q: (L) Oh, you really want him to go out to Mount Palomar?
A: And no, his contact is not a magician... Lay off the mind altering substances, D4, or else you will lose it!!!

Q: (L) But, D4 says that he no longer uses drugs, so what do you mean?
A: Ask D4. When you say “drugs are bad,” do you expect those who want you to like them to admit to partaking?

Q: (L) Of course not. I guess I am too hard on that subject. Now, as you know, L was here earlier and we had a discussion. I would like to know if there is any chance that he will be able to open his mind and get help.
A: Open.

Q: (L) He really needs help. Is there anything that you can tell me that will ease my mind?
A: Worry not.

Q: (L) I know you say that, but sometimes it is really HARD! Okay, once we build our little columns and pool and other toys, what then ought we to do once we are in this pool?
A: Up to you.

Q: (L) Any particular exercises?
A: No.

Q: (L) Just BE in the pool?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And then what?
A: Wait and see!

Q: (L) You are just making my night!
(S) I don’t want to sound paranoid, but all the reports about mind programming... is it as widespread as we have been lead to believe? That it could be the guy next door, and a certain color, or word or sound could set them off?
A: Vague.

Q: (L) That’s not exactly vague. What is the percentage of programmed people?
A: 2 out of every 100.

Q: (L) How many are programmed by human means?
A: 12 per cent of the .02 per cent.

Q: (L) So, out of every 1,000 people, there are 20 that are programmed, and 12 of these are programmed by aliens, as in 4th density STS?
A: Understand that 4th density is physical, indeed. You are drifting further and further toward an ethereal only perception/theoretical position.

Q: (L) You are saying that the humans working on these kinds of things... and...
A: No, Laura, we are saying that there is really a very strong “nuts and bolts” reality to this phenomenon, and don’t ignore it!

Q: (L) Gotcha! We were watching television, and they showed a video of a man and his daughter who videotaped a very large object in the sky, and it was there for a long time, and I also understand that someone else taped it from another location. It was a long, white, tubular object. It was estimated to be about a mile long, because they figured this out by the perspectives from the two tapes, sort of by parallax, and it had moving lights on it, and it just hovered, or sat there for a very long time. What in the world was this thing?
A: A “mother” ship of Orion STS scanning vectors of the reality continuum fabric.

Q: (L) Well, they talked about a report of a similar happening at this very same spot, only it was 78 years previous to this. Was there a connection?
A: Yes. Space/time coordinates linkage.

Q: (L) Was this ship doing anything other than what you have said?
A: No.

Q: (L) Does a mother ship carry a lot of small ships?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many can be carried in one mother ship?
A: 150,000

Q: (L) Holy Shi’ite Moslems! What size are they? And, we have to remember that these ships are bigger inside, as a rule, because of some sort of strange principal at that level.
A: Exactly, remember, there is variability of physicality on 4th density, but not lack of physicality.

Q: (L) There was apparently a sighting in Gulf Breeze either last night or the night before. The triangular ships with the orange lights. Were they human or alien?
A: Alien.

Q: (L) Who did they belong to?
A: Same.

Q: (L) Why are there so many kinds of alien ships?
A: See previous statements. VOP.

Q: (L) Variability of physicality. Okay, I have also been reading about cattle mutilations, that specific parts of the body are taken...
A: Rumen.

Q: (L) What is that?
A: Cattle part.

Q: (L) Why do they take an eyeball? What do they want only one eyeball?
A: Study soul pattern.

Q: (L) Can you study a soul pattern through an eyeball?
A: Like a tape recorder.

Q: (L) Why do they take part of a lip?
A: DNA library.

Q: (L) Well, how many eyes and DNA libraries do they need. This is happening a lot.
A: Some is copy cat by “secret government.”

Q: (L) I have heard a recent rumor that the Chupacabras makes three puncture marks, and that one of them extends all the way up into the brain. Is this true?
A: No.

Q: (L) Are the stories being heard from the SW and Mexico, and even from South Florida, are they all the Chupacabras?
A: Some.

Q: (L) How many people in the United States have implants?
A: 2 per cent.

Q: (L) Why did I lose my voice recently?
A: Inflamed vocal cords. Suggest you go buy, then read, Oescheler book for enhanced learning. Okay for now, Good Night.

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