September 16, 1995
Freddie, Laura, RC
Q: (L) Hello.
Q: (L) Who do we have with us?
Q: (L) And where are you from?
Q: (L) We have a guest this evening. And we have a few questions
that I want to ask before we get launched off into some other
subjects. First thing is, I had a pretty sick feeling in response to
this whole situation with M__ T__, and I did cancel the talk at the
book store she is associated with. I know you are not going to tell
me whether I did the right thing or the wrong thing, however, I
would like to know if there are any implications regarding this
situation that I do not, at present, see?
Q: (L) Well, in other words, was there someone who would have been
there that I should have made a connection with? Did I fail by not
going through with it even though it was so distasteful to me?
A: If distasteful, how would you fail by not appearing?
Q: (L) Well, sometimes I wonder if we are not supposed to overcome
our emotional reactions to things and just do things that are
emotionally distasteful in spite of our own feelings. Isn’t that
A: You are aware of the nature of your instincts. The nature of...
Q: (L) What are you trying to tell me here? Am I being dense?
A: What are you always telling others?
Q: (L) Listen to your instincts. Yes. And my instincts told me that
this was not a good place to go nor a good group to have any
A: Have you not then answered your own question?
Q: (L) Okay. Last night Terry called me and said that on Wednesday
night he began channeling the Cassiopaean’s directly in his
meditation class. The way he described his experience almost sounded
like a physical possession. Can you come through with physical
sensations? Was Terry channeling YOU, the Cassiopaeans or a similar
A: We must have been watching a different “channel!”
Q: (L) Who was being channeled?
A: Ask Terry!
Q: (L) Well, he said he was channeling YOU!
A: Ask him after a few more sessions.
Q: (L) Is there some danger that can be experienced if one goes to a
class and the meditation teacher instructs everyone to stare into a
mirror and channel the first thing that comes along?
A: Maybe, but there is some danger in all things at 3rd density.
Q: (RC) You need to find out who he was tapping into. Was it his
A: Ask him later.
Q: (L) R__ has some questions... okay?
A: It is as always.
Q: (RC) I have some personal questions and some non-personal
A: Don’t screen, please, that is restriction!!
Q: (RC) Okay. If Aramaic was ancient Hebrew, was it the language
spoken in Atlantis?
Q: (RC) Did the Hawk, or the Hoovids bring this language to Earth?
Q: (RC) By scanning the Zohar, does this mean that the fire letters
will ignite ancient memory, thus bringing the truth to the surface?
A: These are “cult thought patterns.”
Q: (RC) It has come to my attention that most of the places where
the word for
“God” is used in Zohar as well as in the Old Testament, it is used
feminine form. Does this imply that the Queen of Heaven... who is
A: Isis is a vanguard.
Q: (RC) What is a vanguard?
A: A symbol of energy patterns that lead transformations of cultures
Q: (RC) Is the word “Jesus” derivative of Isis or Zeus?
A: Neither, Jesus is moniker only.
Q: (RC) What is moniker? What do you mean? Don’t you have to pray in
the name of Jesus for protection?
A: Prayers are not necessary for protection once channel, or more
conduit is properly grooved!
Q: (RC) The recent movie: “The Prophecy,” produced by Maxwell, is
she of the light, and what purpose is behind sending this glimpse of
this holographic image to earth now? Will the movie awaken people to
the reality of the Holy War? And whose message is being served
through this film?
A: Several questions, crisscrossing thought patterns.
Q: (RC) Whose message is being served by this film?
A: What do your instincts tell you?
Q: (RC) My instincts tell me both sides...
Q: (RC) I just wanted to know if there was any specific force
A: We are?
Q: (L) Oh, they may not be confirming...
A: What do your instincts tell you???
Q: (RC) It was about the fallen angels - Lucifer???
(L) have you
read who the C’s say Lucifer is?
(RC) One of the fallen angels? The
angel of light? It is a LOT to go through...
A: Before we can answer some things, you must ask other things.
Q: (RC) Will there be another war in heaven between the angels?
A: Assumptions are fun to deal with.
Q: (L) You are assuming that there are angels and that they are
fighting a war.
(RC) Well, in a metaphorical sense.
A: And you are assuming there is a “heaven.”
Q: (RC) Yes. Are you saying that there is no heaven? No paradise? I
don’t believe that.
(L) There is 5th density.
(RC) Well, we are
getting into semantics here.
A: “Heaven” is a concept more than semantics. Some think the 3rd
environment known popularly as Leavenworth is heaven, for one
example. Could be called “Heavenworth!”
Q: [Laughter] (L) This person Barry... [planchette begins to move]
A: Ask we are just energizing. Ask... ask!
Q: (L) Alright, I’m asking! Is Barry possessed????
A: Vague question.
Q: (L) Is Barry attached by discarnates?
Q: (L) Does he have a serious case of 5th density or demonic
A: [Spinning] No.
Q: (L) Well, what is the problem with Barry? Why is he saying such
terrible things about R__?
A: Not appropriate.
Q: (L) For me to ask or you to answer? Did I do the right thing in
A: All there is is lessons.
Q: (L) This was a lesson, obviously. I guess it is not appropriate
for me to ask any personal questions about him. Maybe it would be
okay for you since you were personally involved.
(RC) Is Barry a
A: Spy? Clarify, please.
Q: (RC) Is Barry a spy for the Gray aliens?
A: Well, are you aware of the modus operandi commonly employed, and
technical aspects of same???
Q: (RC) Yes. Has he been used by the dark...
A: Define your understanding.
Q: (RC) They spy through implants or CDROM? He absorbs information
and then they download it from him?
A: In other words, unconscious manipulation.
Q: (L) Is that it?
A: Now, please reveal your reading on the situation.
Q: (RC) I think he is being used by them unconsciously as well as
(L) My question would be what is the purpose of this activity?
A: One step at a time!
Q: (RC) Is he a spy for the CIA?
A: Assumptions prevail!
Q: (L) Maybe you have assumptions and they are having trouble
transmitting through them?
(RC) I don’t think he is a spy for the
A: Not the point.
Q: (RC) What is the point?
Q: (L) Do you mean why worry about the CIA when there are other
things to worry about?
(RC) Why has everything he has done in my
life turned to trouble?
A: These are the questions that prompt reflection, reflection
analysis prompts conclusions, which builds knowledge, which fosters
Q: (RC) Will Barry be free of this or will he go for the rest of his
life in this darkness?
A: Up to Barry.
Q: (RC) Will he do anything more to hurt me?
A: Are you learning? If you are learning, are you gaining knowledge?
Q: (RC) Well, I know about that but I want to know if he is going to
cause me more trouble?
A: (L) What does it matter what he says, if you have the knowledge
Q: (RC) Well, that’s kind of like beating a dead horse here...
Q: (RC) I was shown that I lived in Nazi Germany and I was one of
the children used for experiments. I was also shown that I chose
this for myself. I want to know why?
(L) How were you shown this? In
(RC) Lots of dreams, I have had psychics tell me about
A: Learning is best accomplished when the student is not restricted
Q: (L) What do you mean? I guess I should keep my mouth shut.
A: What do you suppose? We do not ask that you “keep your mouth
suggesting helpful guidelines for maximum learning.
Q: (RC) Okay, I
KNOW this from a variety of sources. I don’t have to explain them
all... all I want to know is why. And, I know that my DNA was
interfered with and I want to know if that has been carried into my
present body and is this being fixed?
A: Physical manifestations normally only carry over in spirit body,
and are a
discovery process for advancement. They are chosen by the soul
during contemplation on 5th density.
Q: (RC) So, that means that what I have been through in this life
physically, has been to bring me to the realization of what happened
Q: (RC) I was also told that there was a woman who was very
protective of me during my last life in Nazi Germany. Have I re-met
this soul yet?
Q: (RC) Was she a mother or sister?
Q: (RC) Were we related?
Q: (RC) Am I going to meet her?
A: Wait and see!
Q: (RC) What is my relationship to Freddie and Laura from any past
Q: (L) Did I know R in my past life in Germany?
Q: (L) Now, I was looking at the charts, just to see what kind of
matches there were and it was a lot.
(RC) According to astrology,
that shows a past life connection. I feel also that something went
on in Egypt.
A: Who were you?
Q: (L) You mean me?
Q: (L) I was just German woman...
(RC) I was wondering about Egypt?
A: But we are still in Germany!
Q: (L) All I know was that I committed suicide, name was Helga, I
A: Who was your husband?
Q: (L) I don’t know. He was Jewish. Is that what you are getting at?
A: Okay. Who were your children?
Q: (L) Was my husband then the person who was by boyfriend years ago
- Grant M.?
A: Not issue.
Q: (RC) They asked who were the children. Was I one of your
Q: (L) What was R__’s name in that lifetime?
A: When we say discover, we mean for you to use your given talents
to learn, not
to have us lead you by the hand every step of the way. If we were to
do that, we would cheat you out of an opportunity to gain knowledge,
and more importantly, understanding. Thus, we would be abridging
Q: (RC) Was my name Rachel?
A: How do you examine past lives?
Q: (L) Hypnosis.
Q: (RC) So, I need hypnosis? Can I be put under hypnosis?
sure you can.
You told Freddie and me about several past lives before...?
A: Because the individual circumstances were not the same.
Q: (L) Who are the “Bird Tribes” talked about in legend and more
recently in several popular books?
Q: (RC) Who are the Hoovids?
Q: (RC) Did the Hoovids become the Hebrews?
A: No. Hebrews do not stem from single grouping.
Q: (L) Are or were the Hebrews a separate racial group?
A: Not necessarily.
Q: (L) What was the origin of the Hebrew People?
A: Genetic construct.
Q: (L) Who did this genetic construct?
Q: The Atlanteans?
A: Not that simple.
Q: (L) The lizzies?
A: How about joint effort?
Q: (RC) The Sirians and the Pleiadians?
A: Getting colder.
Q: (L) The Orion Union?
A: Okay, but include C.O.C. How does one restrain density 2
Q: (L) Chain? Chain of Command? Are there any actual inhabited
planets in the Pleaides?
Q: (RC) What about the Sirians?
Q: (L) Alright, the Orions created the Hebrews. What was the purpose
for which this genetic variation was created?
Q: (L) Who was Yahweh?
A: False teacher.
Q: (RC) Who was Jehovah?
A: Moniker variance of previous answer.
Q: (L) And what was the desired result of the Hebrew genetic
A: Further control through the fostering of mistrust and hostility,
enslavement and warring.
Q: (RC) The Tetragrammaton is a code for the name of...
A: Also accomplished renewed and invigorated 3rd to 4th density
Q: (RC) The Tetragrammaton, which is a code for the name of God in
the Old Testament, who or what does this code represent?
A: Be careful not to get caught up in ancient deceptions, but
“means” I Am The One.
Q: (RC) The “I Am The One,” according to my research, is another
word for “Isis.” Let’s ask about the “birth goddesses” talked about
(L) Is there such a thing as these “birth
A: Whoa, wait a minute, what did we just advise???
Q: (RC) Don’t get caught up in ancient deceptions?
(L) We asked
about this once before and were told that it was just the ancient
way of describing genetic experiments.
(RC) Okay, why is it that
Hebrew, being so specific in participles in terms of gender
qualities, how come, in the Old Testament, there are feminine
connotations for the names of God, and also feminine connotations
for God being in HER palaces? As well as masculine?
A: Why not? If it works, do it.
Q: (RC) Is the “I Am The One” a feminine force?
A: My Dear, you seem to be stuck upon gender classifications. Now
understandable, but prepare yourself for a long winded explanation
here, since there appears to be no other way. On density levels 5
through 7 there is no duality. The “God Force” emanates “down” from
7th density and permeates all densities. It recognizes no
classifications related to duality, since it is perfectly blended,
thus in permanent balance.
Q: (RC) But the gender names are in the original texts?
A: This is true, but the original texts were also deceptive in
Q: (RC) How many children have I been used for that are alien
A: To answer this question would alter your chosen path of learning,
therefore must be deferred.
Q: (RC) I have already gotten this in my meditations, so maybe they
can help me on it. I have been given names in Hebrew in my recent
meditations that have stuck in my head; one the word for
“government” and the other for “state” or “politics.” Does this mean
that I am meant to be working in politics or for the government?
Which government? Is this my destiny?
A: Well, again, we know the answer to that, but must let you
discover in order
Q: (RC) Am I being called to serve? Is it a government on Earth
A: One interpretation, but not the only one. Remember, “government”
nebulous, and dreams can be pathfinders and dreams can be
Q: (RC) How many lifetimes have I spent on Earth - I
already know the answer, someone told me, I just want to know...
Q: (RC) Not 445? That’s it? So, I’m not really from here?
A: Would you rather we add a few?
Q: (RC) So, I am not really from this planet?
A: No one is, ultimately. Remember, you are eternal, one through
three are not.
Q: (L) Did R__ have other lifetimes on other planets in 3rd density?
Q: (RC) I was told, based on the lines in my palm, that I had lived
445 times. So there is a huge discrepancy.
(L) Well, you are talking
palmistry now, and that is Freddie’s bailiwick, you know. He is the
most gifted palmist you may ever encounter.
(F) Let me tell you
right now, you can’t read anything about past lives in the palm.
(RC) That’s not what this woman says. The left hand is the past, the
right is the present. And the lines on the side are like the age
rings in a tree trunk.
(F) No. Let me explain...
[break for palmistry discussion.]
Q: (L) R__ is planning to move to Arizona and has made some
arrangements to set about doing this. Is she going to be able to
write her book when she is out there and get that accomplished?
Q: (RC) It depends on me.
(L) Is she going to be able to find the
Q: (L) In a general overview, what was the purpose of this
interaction with the M__ T__ bunch, Barry, J.D., David Hudson, R__,
A: You have already gained some insight.
Q: (L) Does R__ have any attachements?
Q: (L) R__ went to a psychic, C__ U__, who did a spirit release for
her. Was this successful?
A: Why do you wish us to answer that?
Q: (L) It seemed like a good subject to cover, that it might be
Q: (RC) What about the dream that I had about the three slugs coming
off of me?
Were these three slugs Barry, B__ and M__?
A: Energy pattern essence, rather than individuals per se.
Q: (RC) Do I still need spirit release?
A: Yes. Okay.
Q: (RC) How many times have I been abducted?
Q: (RC) Were most of those in childhood or more recent?
Q: (L) When was the most recent?
(RC) Within the past 8 years?
Q: (RC) So most of them were within the past 8 years?
A: No. Just most recent.
Q: (L) Why have they abducted her less than some we have heard
Q: (L) Well, some people seem to have a lot more, and 20 does not
seem like a lot.
A: Abductions take many forms.
Q: (L) I dreamed the other night that I got married, and there was a
big party, dancing, the limosine and so on... flowers, happiness. In
my dream, I heard a voice saying that the wedding would be on a
Saturday the 14th, following Friday the 13th, could you tell me
anything about this dream?
Q: (L) Any other questions?
(RC) I’m not going to ask because they
didn’t really answer what I wanted to hear. I do have 3 questions
about the past. What was my role during the French Revolution? I
know that I was there then because I have glimpses.
A: Who is David Hufnagel?
Q: (RC) David was my first love. Why the name Hufnagel? Was that my
name in France?
A: David’s original name was Hufnagel.
Q: (RC) That was my first boyfriend in South Africa. His name now is
A: No, changed his name.
Q: (L) What does that have to do with the French Revolution?
was there, right?
A: We are receiving strong wave pattern surrounding subject we chose
thus we interrupted inquiries!
Q: (L) Okay, anything further on that?
A: Moshe in Israel.
Q: (RC) Who is Moshe in Israel?
A: Moshe is IN Israel.
Q: (RC) There are a lot of Moshes in Israel! Is this someone I know
Q: (RC) Is it connected to my ex-husband?
A: Maybe. We are not sure. Israel: saw you with grays in physical,
memory, Moshe too.
Q: (L) Do you mean that David Hufnagel saw R during an abduction?
A: No. Country of Israel. Another connector to abduction experience.
Q: (L) Well, maybe you were abducted in Israel and saw these people
there... in the physical... and these people saw it...
A: No. David is elsewhere.
Q: (RC) Is this David my old boyfriend?
Q: (RC) And that is who I was with in the French Revolution, which
is what started all these questions.
Q: (RC) Am I going to see him again?
Q: (RC) I was abducted while I was with him?
A: Well yes, but Israel biggest abduction.
Q: (L) R was abducted while with David, but in Israel she
experienced the biggest abduction?
(RC) I was with him in Israel...
and we were together in South Africa.
A: Abduction with David was in South Africa.
Q: (L) What is meant by the biggest abduction was in Israel?
A: Physical retrieval.
Q: (L) Was it biggest in the sense that it was the biggest
experience of her life?
Q: (RC) Was it on Mount Sinai?
Q: (RC) I had an out of body experience when I was there. Was it out
in the desert, the Negev?
Q: (L) What was done to her during this abduction?
Q: (L) Who was doing the abduction?
Q: (RC) Is that when I was pregnant?
Q: (L) How many times have you been pregnant?
(RC) Five, I think.
How many times?
Q: (RC) This makes sense because my migraines started in South
Africa... I lost my virginity in the Negev... so that is probably
when they started abducting me - it’s the whole sexual thing, right?
Q: (RC) And the guy died...
(L) That’s interesting... Okay, change
of subject. Back when we were talking about the pit on Oak Island,
and you asked me to do some research on it, the answers I came up
with were that the responsible group were alchemists. Is this
Q: (L) Was one of the alchemists involved Nicholas Flamel?
Q: (L) Is it true that there is an enclave of alchemists that live
somewhere in the Pyrenees...
Q: (L) Is this the group that you referred to as “The Quorum” in a
Q: (L) Do these alchemists use this power as talked about by David
Hudson to enhance their longevity and their physical health?
A: And to control.
Q: (L) Are there people in this enclave who live for literally
hundreds, if not thousands, of years?
Q: (L) How does this
monoatomic gold control others?
A: Too complex to answer tonight, as energy is waning.
Q: (L) Should we just say good night?
A: Good bye.
End of Session
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September 29, 1995
Freddie, Laura, SV, RC, SB
A: Hello. We have been listening.
Q: (RC) Who are you??
Q: (L) And where are you from?
A: We transmit via the radio source in Cassiopaea.
Q: (L) Okay, a year ago we talked about the quorum and I did not
understand. Now, what I would like to know is, is the understanding
I have acquired in the past two weeks regarding this group...
A: You need some review.
Q: (L) Okay.
A: Not just about the “Quorum,” but about many important subjects,
we intend to have some free flowing energy, if you don’t mind. In
other words, we may supersede questions, when appropriate. However,
it may be necessary for you to begin the process by asking a
Q: (L) I am curious about what I call the “Scottish Question.” Why
is it that every time I start a paper trail on any issue of
conspiracy, there always seems to be a link to Scotland and Scots?
A: “Celtic,” what does it mean?
Q: (L) Well, the word “kilt” comes from “Celtic,” but no one seems
to know where they originated... they just sort of appeared on the
landscape, so to speak.
Q: (L) Are you going to tell us?
A: No, not just as of yet.
Q: (L) So, there is some interesting connection!
(RC) Does it mean
A: If you prefer! We have close affiliation with the “Northern
Because we were in regular, direct contact with them on Kantek,
before they were “lifted” to Earth by Orion sts.
Q: (L) If you were in direct contact with them, how come they were
in cahoots with the Orion STS bunch?
A: Who says they are in “kahoots?”
Q: (L) Weren’t they rescued by the Orion STS?
A: Yes. But one need not be in “kahoots” to be rescued!!!
Q: (L) Well, if the Orion STS brought the Celts here, they must have
brought them for their own purposes, am I correct?
A: Essentially, but herein lies the reason why you need a review.
You see, you
have some gaps in your knowledge base which are caused by
channeling, absorbing and analyzing information out of sequence with
what we have given you and mixing it all together!
Q: (L) Okay, what’s my problem?
A: You are doing wonderfully, my dear, but it is difficult for you
to keep up
this way, because your natural drive for the truth makes you
impatient, and therefore you tend to fill in the gaps with simple
reasoning and assumptions. While these are often correct, they can
tend to allow you to get ahead of yourself.
Q: (L) Okay, square one: Is the quorum composed of humans who have
alchemists, who are presently in possession of a substance called
“the elixir of life” and which David Hudson calls “monoatomic gold?”
A: And much, much more! Monoatomic gold is but one minor issue here.
lead astray by focusing upon it solely. It would be akin to focusing
on the fact that “Batman” can fly! Is that the only important thing
that “Batman” does in the story? Is it?
Q: (L) Of course not!
(R) Batman fights crime!
A: What we mean is that alchemy is but one minor piece of the
Q: (L) Okay, I understand. But, understanding the alchemical
connection, and its potential for extending life and opening certain
abilities, makes it more feasible to think of a group that has been
present steadily and consistently for many thousands of years on
A: They are not the only ones!
Q: (L) Oh! I knew I was opening a can of worms!
A: Let us go to the root.
Q: (L) What is the root?
A: Who, or what made you?
Q: (RC) The Creator.
(L) Prime Creator.
A: How? And who is Prime Creator?
Q: (L) Everything, I guess.
A: You are “Prime Creator.”
Q: (L) Well, we know we are...
(RC) We are creators, but we aren’t
the Prime Creator...
A: Prime Creator Manifests IN you.
Q: (L) Okay, so at the root is Prime Creator.
A: But... who was secondary?
Q: (RC) The Sons of God? The Elohim?
A: Who is that? Remember, your various legends are “seen through a
Q: (L) Okay, the secondary creators are the ones interacting with us
Q: (L) Is this the source of the stimulation to discover knowledge?
A: Basically, but, let us take this step by step.
Q: (RC) Okay, getting back to the Celts, were the Pleiadians the
secondary creators who brought in the Celts?
A: Review what we have just said!
Q: (L) They said it was the Orions. Are the Orions these secondary
(RC) Well, I read that it was the Pleiadians. And the
Hebrews were originally the Hoovids who came from Sirius...
A: Here comes a shocker for you... one day, in 4th density, it will
descendants mission to carry on the tradition and assignment of
seeding the 3rd density universe, once you have the adequate
Q: (L) If the Orion STS brought the Celts here, were
the Celts, while they lived on Kantek, in the form they are in now?
A: They were lighter in appearance.
Q: (L) You have told us on other occasions that the Semitic peoples
were remnants of the Atlanteans, and yet they are quite unlike...
A: Whoa!! Wait a minute, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. First
What Roxanne said was not entirely factual. Remember, there is much
disinformation to weed through.
Q: (RC) What did I say that was not factual?
A: In this part of your 3rd and 4th density universe, specifically
it is the region known as Orion that is the one and only indigenous
home of human type beings... reflect on this! Indigenous home base,
not sole locator. What you are most in need of review of is the
accurate profile of “alien” data.
Q: (RC) I thought that humans
originated in Lyra and then a war broke out there and they ended up
A: Lyra is not inhabited. There have been homes in all places, but
were/are transitory, and some are not. Pay attention to Orion! This
ancestral home, and your eventual destination. Here is the
accurately accurate profile of Orion to follow: This is the most
populated region of your Milky Way galaxy! This is a region that
3rd and 4th density space for a distance as vast as the distance
between your locator and it. There are 3,444 inhabited “worlds” in
this region. Some are planets as you know them. Some are
artificially constructed planetoids. Some are floating space barges.
And some are “satellites.” There are primary homes, traveling
stations and incubator laboratories all in 2nd, 3rd and 4th
densities. There are overseer zones in 5th and 6th densities.
Approximately one half is STO and one half is STS. Together, along
with many other colonies, located elsewhere, this is called, in
translation, Orion Federation. Orions created grays in 5 varieties,
as cybergenetic beings, and installed them on Zeta Reticuli 1, 2, 3,
and 4, as well as on 2 planets orbiting Barnard’s Star. The
Reptilians also inhabit 6 planets in the Orion region in 4th
density, and are owned by the Orion STS as slaves, and, in some
cases, pets!!! The name “Orion” is the actual native name, and was
brought to earth directly. Study the legend of the “god” of Orion
Q: (L) Are the Orion STS the infamous red-headed Nordic aliens?
A: Yes, and all other humanoid combinations.
Q: (L) Okay, if it started with the Nordic types, and that is where
the other humanoid combinations came from, what genetic combinations
were used for human beings? Black people, for instance, since they
are so unlike “Nordics?”
A: The Nordic genes were mixed with the gene pool already available
known as Neanderthal.
Q: (L) What was the genetic combination used to obtain the Oriental
A: Orientals come from a region known in your legends as “Lemuria,”
and are a
previous hybridization from 7 genetic code structures from within
Orion Union, designed to best fit the earth climate and cosmic ray
environment then existent on earth.
Q: (L) Okay, what about the Semitic and Mediterranean peoples?
A: Each time a new flock was “planted,” it was engineered to be best
the environment where it was planted. Aryans are the only exception,
as they had to be moved to earth in an emergency.
Q: (L) If races are engineered on earth to be “best suited,” what
factors are being drawn from or considered regarding the Semitic
A: They are not engineered on earth, but in Orion lab as all others.
“Planted” in the Middle East.
Q: (L) What genetic type were the Atlanteans?
A: They were the same as the “Native Americans.”
Q: (L) What were the roots of the Native American type? Was there a
basic type that was here on the planet and was then taken to an
Orion lab and genetically modified and then planted?
A: No!!! Have you been paying attention?!?!
Q: (L) What did I miss? Why do some Native Americans believe they
come from the Pleiades?
A: Where are the Pleiades?
Q: (L)Well, near Orion.
(RC) Oh, okay. So, they are considering the
Pleiades part of Orion. What about Sirius?
A: Sirius is confused as a locator because it appears in similar
location in the
sky in the northern hemisphere. The American Indians were confused
in the translation because of similar seeming location due to
Q: (L) Okay.
(RC) Well, but Sirius is clearly Sirius!
It’s the brightest star in the sky... it’s in all the legends!
Well, it could be that it is not just misinterpretation, but
(RC) How could it be translated wrong?
This is not clear! The star charts are very specific!
A: How have YOU translated YOUR legends wrong?
Q: (F) I think the point is that it is clear that we, in our present
culture, are easily able to get things very wrong, even from the
more recent times; so it is not a great consideration to think that
the more ancient legends can also be distorted, embellished, and
A: Review what we said at the beginning of this session.
Q: (L) Did
the Dogon come from Sirius?
A: All humanoid types originated in Orion region, there are and have
will continue to be literally millions of colonies.
Q: (RC) Well, Sirius has a green sky, not a blue sky like we do.
(RC) Well, no, the planets... Yes, Sirius has a green
atmosphere... a light green.
(F) Well, I prefer blue!
(L) If a lot
of the information that is being propagated these days is confusion
or disinformation, what is the purpose of all this?
A: You answered yourself: Confusion and disinformation.
Q: (L) I have a theory that the truth, in any large degree, will not
be known until just prior to some sort of transition...
A: You expect “truth” then?
Q: (RC) Absolutely!
(L) Considering how things are from observation,
this may be unrealistic...
A: All there is is lessons, no short cuts!
Q: (L) I want to get back on my question that you have not
answered... I want to know who, exactly, and why, exactly,
genetically engineered the Semitic people, and why there is such an
adversarial attitude between them and the Celts and Aryans.
A: It is not just between the Jews and Celts, if you will take
it is the individual aural profile that counts and not groupings or
classifications. But, to answer your question: there are many
reasons both from on and off the planet.
Q: (L) Why was Hitler so determined, beyond all reason, even to his
own self-destruction, to annihilate the Jews?
A: Many reasons and very complex. But, remember, while still a
made a conscious choice to align himself with the “forces of
darkness,” in order to fulfill his desires for conquest and to unite
the Germanic peoples. Henceforth, he was totally controlled, mind,
body, and soul, by STS forces.
Q: (L) So, what were the purposes of
the STS forces that were controlling Hitler causing him to desire to
annihilate an entire group of people?
A: To create an adequate “breeding ground” for the reintroduction of
Nephilim, for the purpose of total control of the 3rd density earth
prior to elevation to 4th density, where such conquest is more
difficult and less certain!
Q: (L) Do you mean “breeding ground” in the sense of genetic
A: Yes. Third density.
Q: (L) Did they accomplish this goal?
Q: (L) So, the creation of the Germanic “Master Race” was what they
were going after, to create this “breeding ground?”
Q: (L) And, getting rid of the Jews was significant? Couldn’t a
Germanic master race be created without destroying another group?
A: Because of 4th density prior encoding mission destiny profile.
Q: (L) What does that mean?
A: This means encoding to activate after elevation to 4th density,
thus if not
eliminated, negates Nephilim domination and absorption. Jews were
prior encoded to carry out mission after conversion, though on
individual basis. The Nazis did not exactly know why they were being
driven to destroy them, because they were being controlled from 4th
density STS. But, Hitler communicated directly with Lizards, and
Orion STS, and was instructed on how to create the “master race.”
Q: (L) And they were going to use this as their basis to introduce a
new blend of the Nephilim...
(RC) And the New World Order... their
version of it.
(L) Well, what is the plan now?
A: We cannot tell you this yet, as you would seek to reveal it
leading to your destruction!!!!
Q: (F) Yes, Laura, I keep telling you that your curiosity is going
to bring strange men to the door who are going to say: “Come with
Well, I can’t help it! Meanwhile, back to the Celts: obviously if
Beings thought that the Aryans/Celts were a good breeding ground for
“Nephilim Master Race,” then it must be because there is something
genetically inherent in them that makes them desirable in this
sense. Is this correct?
A: No, not in the sense you are thinking. We suggest that you
question after careful reflection on the implications.
End of Session
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October 7, 1995
Freddie, Laura, SV, NM
[The tape from this session was destroyed and this is the best
reconstruction possible from the notes. The answers are exactly as
given, but the questions are as close as I can remember them. The
ones I do not remember are left blank.]
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Tomorria of Cassiopaea.
A: No, it is just merely the point at which we must review for you
the modus as
opposed to the locus. You have begun to lose sight of the fact that
Cassiopaea is a channeling point for three level density transfer,
not our “home,” as such.
Q: (L) The constellation of Cassiopia is
the third density level transfer point?
A: Yes, but 3 level, not 3rd level. And kindly please excuse young
one, as is
risky at this point!!
Q: [Child is sent to bed.] (L) So, you are saying that Cassiopia is
the point where three density levels converge?
Q: (L) I have thought about my question from the last session and I
want to ask it this way: You have said that Hitler received
instructions from higher density beings about creating a ‘Master
Race.’ Why were the Aryan genetic types seen to be more desirable
for creation of this Germanic ‘master race?’
A: Both, similarity and ancestral link most unblemished from Orion
3rd and 4th
Q: (L) So they were essentially trying to breed a group of people
A: Not point. How would you suggest creation?
Q: (L) Okay. They were preparing this breeding ground, so to speak.
Obviously this was for the introduction of some other genetic
strain. What was this?
Q: (L) Well, if the Nephilim are coming in ships, 36 million of
them, why bother to create half-breeds here?
A: Yes, but having an “advance party” makes 3rd density conquest
Q: (L) So, this Master Race was supposed to get everything ready...
Q: (L) Okay, what is it about the Semitic genes that was considered
to be so undesirable in the creation of this ‘Master Race?’
A: Would blemish genetic characteristics inclined to ruthlessness
Q: (L) So, you are saying that there is something, some genetic
tendency or set of genes in the Semitic type that would counteract
Q: (L) But isn’t the nature of a person determined by their soul and
not the physical body?
A: Partially, remember, aural profile and karmic reference merges
Q: (L) So you are saying that particular genetic conditions are a
physical reflection of a spiritual orientation? That the soul must
match itself to the genetics, even if only in potential?
A: Yes, precisely.
Q: (L) So a person’s potential for spiritual advancement or
enfoldment is, to a great extent, dependent upon their genes?
A: Natural process marries with systematic construct when present.
Q: (L) Well, if that is the case, and the aliens are abducting
people and altering their genes, can they not alter the genes so
that higher level souls simply cannot come in?
A: Not incarnative process, natural biological processes.
strictly ethereal at 5th density and lower, and thus is enveloped in
triple cycle “veil” of transfer which is impregnable ay any means.
However, any and all 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th processes can be
manipulated at will and to any degree if technology is sufficient.
Q: (L) Getting back to what you said at the beginning, is it
possible that all other channeled material that is designated as
this or that ‘alien group’ comes through a ‘transfer point’ and then
is corrupted so that the person receiving it believes that it is
from an actual alien race?
A: Yes, remember, Matrix material, like all others, contains
at some points. Antareans, Arcturians, and Cassiopaens refers more
to the transfer locator for channel groove rather than residence.
Some have come in after the fact and planted fables regarding
“races” of beings living in, and travelling from, various places as
referenced from your perspective.
Q: (L) Well, who are all these
groups giving this information?
A: Many different groups and individuals. Now, there are indeed
residential locators mentioned in ____ which are factual. Orion,
obviously, Zeta Reticuli, ______, Barnard’s Star, Sirius Region,
though not the actual astronomic body as mentioned.
Q: (L) Who are the ‘Orange’ aliens mentioned as being
A: Orange is reference to hair color.
[Personal Questions and answers for N M]
Q: (L) Now, we have wondered about obtaining and taking some of this
A: Are you serious? How about some small helpings of arsenic,
[ NM leaves.]
A: We have message for you, but if NM must leave, no need to hold
her back, as
message is for group. Review:; what did we say about weather. Why do
you suppose “Opal” occurred at time, place reference point?
To put a stop to the UFO conference in Gulf Breeze? Does this mean
we ought to stay home?
A: Up to you, but, suggest deferment, we could tell you of titanic
Q: (L) So, hurricanes are a reflection of battles at higher levels?
Did the good guys win?
A: Yes, but not concluded, and we fear for those drawn to locator
sinister plans by 4th density STS.
Q: (L) Plans such as what? More weather phenomena or something more
A: Both, several options open to them, and in works; monstrous
hurricane to hit
during conference, or tornado strikes Embassy Suites hotel, or bomb
blast levels conference center, of mass abductions and mental
controls initiated in order to cause dissention and possibly
violence, followed by extreme factionalization.
Q: (L) So, there is
the possibility that something really positive could come from the
connections made at the conference. Was this directed at us
A: Yes, why do you suppose it has been disrupted as of now? And have
that the hurricanes have been increasing in October, rather than
decreasing as would normally be true?
Q: (L) Well, then, I guess we will be staying home.
A: Free will.
Q: (L) Okay, that’s it for tonight. Good Night.
End of Session
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October 14, 1995
Discussion about “Matrix Books” preceded start of session. Laura had
just been lent copies of them from RC...
Freddie, Laura, SV, Terry and Jan, TK
A: Hello. Matrix material.
Q: (T) Matrix material?
Q: (T): Who is the person who did this? L) Many. It’s a compilation
of many things. There are a lot of people who did the Matrix
(T): Does it say that somewhere?
(T): Because I
haven’t looked at any of it yet.
(L) One guy has edited it together
and arranged it into about 4,000 pages or so...
(T) 4,000 pages, and
we’ve only got 300? And we can’t edit it (ours)? And he did 4,000?
(SV) It took him fifteen years.
(T) When was it written?
(L) The last one came out in 1992 or 1994.
(T) When did the first
one come out?
(F) A lot of it is just copies of documents
(L) Like photocopies of newspaper clippings and stuff
like that, but it’s arranged in quite a comprehensive order.
lot of it is really scary.
(L) I want to ask about one thing from
the Matrix material. I want to know who and what are the “Esseseni?”
A: Hybrids, new.
Q: (L) They are new hybrids? And what are they a hybridization of?
What are the sources of the material for the hybridization?.
A: Humans and grays.
Q: (L) Are the Esseseni positively oriented beings, as has been
suggested by some?
Q: (T): Some STS, some STO?
Q: (L) OK, now we have a visitor this evening, my brother, and he is
really just kind of on the periphery...
Q: (L) And he is just on the periphery of this subject, more or
less, but he does have a couple of questions he would like to ask,
and one of the questions is: has he himself ever been abducted by
aliens in this lifetime?
Q: (L) Complex? OK, then does that mean yes or no? I know it’s
A: Ships are vulnerable to ELF and “Zero time transfer.”
Q: (L) So, are you suggesting that any abductions that took place,
took place while he was on board a ship?
Q: (T): Were you in the Navy?
(L) He’s retired.
(T): How long? 20
years? That’s a long time! What did you serve on, what kind of
(TK): AEGIS Cruiser, I was just on one ship, that was just
the last five years or so...
(L) He spent almost his entire Navy
career on land, which is quite a feat.
(T) Yeah, that is pretty
good! Were his abductions... did they take place while he was on the
ship, on the cruiser? I know that’s what you said, I’m just
A: We see “Bahrain.”
Q: (L) We re you in Bahrain?
(T) Somewhere in the Gulf?
(TK) We were
Bahrain one night.
(T) That’s all it takes!
(L) Like getting
know! It only takes once!
(TK) What did those suckers do to me?
to know what they did!
A: Examine. You must remember, different branches of your military
have underlying code mechanisms to determine their classification
status for “secret” duty, including study of personnel, this is all
very complex... Now, “U.S. Navy is status 2”, which means among
other things, that it is married to a class 2 “Cooperation Agency,
the O.N.I. All technical personnel are approached during their
service, and asked to perform tasks for secret government. If they
accept, they are “brought under classified management.”
(L) What was that class 2 term? Class 2 agency?
(J) U.S. Navy
is status 2.
A: No. Classified management. And it is O.N.I.
Q: (L) Carry on with your answer. I’m sure there’s more.
Q: (L) Oh, you want us to ask the questions. The answer of the
question, why was he abducted.
(J) Or was he abducted?
A: Examined, as with all others on ship.
Q: (L) So, in other words, it was simply...
(T) Your standard
abduction and examination... OK, what was the whole thing about the
O.N.I. and Naval intelligence... and the classifications and all
that stuff about being approached, what did that have to do with the
Q: (L) That was just information they were giving us.
(T): Was the
Navy aware of what was happening?
Q: (T): They knew some, but not all.
(TK) Some know and some don’t.
Q: (T): That’s what I meant, did the Navy know that Tom was
abducted? T hose in that were supposed to, did they know?
A: Some in Navy are cooks.
Q: (SV): Cooks wouldn’t have a high information...(T) That’s what
Steven Segal said in “Under Siege” - “I’m just the cook, you know!”
He wasn’t really a cook.
(L) Maybe that was an allusion to that
(T) Could be -some are cooks.
Was that an allusion to that movie?
A: No, but we like it!.
Q: (TK): They like the movie, huh?
(J) They like the reference!
OK, back when I was really little...
(TK) I WAS a cook in the Navy
in the beginning...
(L) Yeah, I think it’s funny that they made that
(J) That was mirth.
(L) When I had that experience when I
was really little, and I know that there was interaction with an
alien, and that I remember it clearly in my conscious mind, and my
brother was there also in the room, was he also abducted at that
A: No, but why leave subject so fast?
(L) OK, they want to talk
about the Navy,
obviously. OK, we can talk about the Navy.
Q: (TK) What about ol’
Tricky Dick Whelan? F. Richard Whelan (L) Who was he?
(TK) He was
just one of my captains.
A: What about him?
Q: (L) You have to ask specific questions, because it’s like a
computer system, it only answers when you key in the correct
questions. Ask a specific question.
(TK): Why do they want to stay
on the subject of the Navy?
(T) OK, you gave us some information
about Navy being connected to Navy Intelligence...
(J) Wait a
minute, what about Whelan, ask about Whelan.
(T) ...and the way
things are there. Is it... are we asking more about the information
you just gave us? We’ll get on Whelan in a second. Are we supposed
to be asking more abou t what you just gave us? About the Navy and
A: Ask what you please.
Q: (T) OK, what is it, they gave us Navy connected to Naval
Intelligence... Q (L) Are all military personnel routinely abducted
and studied by aliens?
Q: (L) Are all military personnel routinely abducted and studied by
the military itself?
Q: (L) What is the classification that the person has to fall into
in order to be abducted and studied by the military?
A: What makes you think “classifications” correlates with
Q: (TK) It’s not the classification, it’s....
(L) What is it?
It’s gotta be the type of person...
(J) And how easy it would be...
Q: (TK) And how easy it would be to influence....
A: Of course.
Q: (TK) How easy it would be to influence, also?
(J) It’s gotta be
case by case...
A: And many other factors.
Q: (TK) It would have to have something to do with what they could
do for the abductors. I mean, they have to be in a position to help
(T) Just exactly what I was trying to phrase as a question.
(L) Is that a correct assumption?
A: Yes. STS.
Q: (T): STS; Service to Self..
A: Vibrational frequency.
Q: (L) OK, so if the person has an STS vibrational frequency, that
already predisposes them to abduction. Is that correct?
Q: (T) OK, that’s a factor. There’s more than one agenda involved
with abductions. Are the military personnel that are being abducted,
is that a specific agenda that is being followed?
A: Artificial classifications, such as military designations, are
human groups only.
Q: (L) So in other words...
(J) I’ve got a question. Isn’t it true
that in order to become part of the military, you have to go through
boot camp, the indoctrination to the point where you’re going to
follow orders without questioning, and that that mind-set would lend
itself more towards...
(TK) The Marines are about the only ones that
even try to get people to follow orders without question any more.
The Navy has all but given up on that.
(J) That’s interesting. I
didn’t know that. I just assumed that all military.
(TK) Well, it’s
not a time of war so it’s not necessary right now.
A: Yes. Some have always “faked” such blind allegiance anyway.
Q: (J): Ooh, interesting statement.
(TK) I basically faked it, I...
(J) Kind of like, go with the flow?
A: You were not alone.
Q: (TK) Oh, yeah! There were a bunch of us. “Yeah, sure, tell us
what to do. If it’s in our interest, if we’re going to stay alive,
we’ll do it; if you’re going to kill us, forget it!” I used to tell
them on the ship, that if those suckers ever catch me, I’m going to
tell them everything I know. I said, they aren’t going to have to
torture me long...
(T) Besides, when you torture me, I tend to
scream a lot and not tell you too much, so I’ll just tell you and
let’ s skip the torture.
(TK) So when I refused to go up for ESWIS,
I was kind of an outcast, I wasn’t in the club anymore...
(J) : That’s when you were asked, and you said no?
What was this?
(TK) When they wanted me to go up for ESWS, it’s a
(F) What’s that?
(TK) I told them I wasn’t going to ...
Q (L) What is it?
(TK) Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist.
that’s when you were asked!
(J) And you said no.
something that everybody in the Navy can go up for, but you have to
be ... I don’t know, If I hadn’t been thinking about getting out, I
might have gone up for it. This captain...
(J): That’s where they
separate the men from the boys...
(TK): This captain put it in such
a way, he said, “Well, if you’ll work on your ESWS and get that pin,
I’ll see to it that you get good marks and make chief...” , which to
me was like saying, well, if you don’t do it, you’re not going to
make chief. I said Sorry, bud!
(L) And in this family you don’t
(TK): Sorry, I’m not going to do it, I don’t
respond to that kind of stuff.
(L) It must be genetic, Freddie!
You would have set the service back a number of years.
when I became an outcast from the club.
(T) Is that when Tom became
A: Not correct concept, not outcast, just deemed not SG material.
Q: (L) What’s SG?
A: Secret Government.
Q: (TK) Darn!
(J) You had your chance Tom, and you blew it!
That’s when they asked you.
(TK) Oh! Dickie, I’m sorry!
(TK) Never did like ol’ F. Richard!
(J) Yeah, let’s get
back to F. Richard.
(L) F. Richard...
(TK) Was F.Richard initiated?
Was he one of the secret government agents?
Q: (L) Was he brownnosing to try to get there?
A: Was a “conduit.”
Q: (L) He was a conduit for them.
(TK) Tell you what, F. Richard was
one person I would not have wanted to go to war with...
A: There are several steps that must be followed.
Q: (L) Steps that must be followed for what?
(T) To become part of
the secret government?
Q: (J) You have to know the handshake...
(T) I can’t get my foot in
my ear, I’m sorry! [Laughter]
A: Viet Nam MIA’s, where do you suppose they are now?
Q: (L) Well, I’m hoping you’re going to tell us!
(T) Some of them...
(TK) Have they been abducted?
(T) Some of them got blown up so badly
that they couldn’t be found, so they were listed as MIAs, because
they couldn’t mark them as KIAs. Some of them are deserters, some of
them... well, deserters would fall into several classifications,
which I won’t bother getting into. Some of them went into the drug
(TK) Some of them just decided they liked it better over
(T) Yeah, there’s that, and some of them, I would imagine,
have been either abducted or swapped, moved into the secret
(L) Is all of this correct?
Q: (T): That’s why they can’t tell people where they are...
we supposed to still be on the military subject?
(J) Who knows?
A: KIA’s... Are a Separate subject!! KIA’s, how many really were?
Q: (T) How many of the 60,000 really were killed? How many of them
are listed as dead when they’re not? Intelligence...
(TK) Tell you
what, they could recruit... There were so many different kinds of
people that went over there, they could have recruited a bunch...
(J): Yeah, that’s true.
(L) OK, now, are you going to give us a hint
as to where they are and what they’re doing right now? Are these
some of the people working in these underground places?
A: Yes.. Yes...Yes.
Q: (L) That’s where those personnel are coming from... their lives,
they have died the philosopher’s death.
A: And many other places, times. etc...
Q: (TK) Wars all through the ages. How many are we talking about?
(L) What kind of a number are we talking about here?
A: Since your imagination center is on low frequency tonight,
suppose we have to
spell it all out for you, but at least it is fun to watch the
impact, like “A ton of bricks” falling on your heads!!
Q: (L) Go ahead, spell it out for us. How many are we talking about
A: W.W.II, 72,355, still alive where????
Q: (L) Is that the correct figure?...
(T) Now, wait a minute...
Q: (T): That’s how many people the secret government has snatched
(J) From W.W.II.
(SV) That’s not talking Korea...
out of something like 40 million...
(L) Freddie, how many?
People in W.W.II was 70 to 80 million...
(TK) Military casualties...
. we’re not talking about just U.S. military, either, we’re talking
about total, anybody....
(T): Are you talking about total... all
killed in action in W.W.II?
(L) No, they said... read it....
“W.W.II, 72,355 still alive. Where???”
(L) Still alive!
were supposedly killed in action...
Q: (T): From all branches of the service.
Q: (TK): These people aren’t aging; they’re still in action and
ready to go...
A: Precisely, my friends!!!
Q: (J) OK, that’s just W.W.II...(TK) How about Korea, Vietnam,
(L) All right, what’s the figure from Korea?
difference does it make?
(L) Well, that’s true!
(SV): We want to
Q: (TK) Yeah, considering the fact that I don’t think we really lost
(T) No, we didn’t have that many losses in Korea.
How about the Gulf War?
A: Yes. 55.
Q: (T): Yeah, there was about 55 thousand casualties in Korea, in
the four years of Korea. Really it was 3 ½ years in Korea. So 6,000,
about a little over 10% of them aren’t really dead.
Q: (L) What was that?
(J): Vietnam, that was Vietnam....
of the 66,000...
Q: (T): ...are still alive?
Q: (T): So you’ve got 23,000 from...
A: Some are body duplicate soul receptacle replacements.
[Change in tape sides; first few sentences were lost.]
They’re moving big time fast right now.
(J) They have just around
100,000 with those three figures they gave us.
(T) Well, now, that’s
just three wars. We didn’t ask about...
(TK) That’s three wars. That
(J) How about WWI, how about Gulf War...
the Gulf War, there weren’t that many casualties...
(T) About a
(TK) But the other side did...
(T) Yes, we’re only asking
about the U.S. How about others? Yes, you’re right, how about other
(TK) There’s not even any...
(J) We have no way of
knowing. Have they ever released figures? We don’t know.
They’ve got a military right now, and it’s not just a military,
these are elite. I’ll bet you, they’re elite. I mean, they’ve been
(J) They’ve been asked the question, and they said yes!
(T) Yes, this is not some guy hunking a gun in a foxhole just for
the heck of it. These are specialists.
(TK) The CIA was siphoning
people off in ‘Nam right and left.
(J) Oh, I’m sure they were.
Yes, and a lot of these squads that are running around don’t exist.
A lot of this stuff...
(TK) Yes, like these Black Ops, whatever they
call it, and all this stuff.
(T) I have an interesting question for
them for a total...
(TK) This “New World Order” is about to come
about. You know what, there isn’t any way to stop it.
(T) Oh, no, we
can’t stop it.
(TK) You can fight back and try to survive on your
own, but there’s no way to stop the New World Order.
(T) The only
way to get through this is the old Lao Tu or whoever, the Chinese
military philosopher, who said “The wheat stalk that survives is the
one that bends with the wind.”
(TK): “Yes, I’ll do whatever you
(T) There’s no way to stop it. All these people who are
talking about going out and going to fight it, they aren’t going to
fight it. They can’t. They can’t win.
(F) Well, they are already
(TK) On top of everything else, these are the elite.
I mean, these are the ones that have been recruited, and they are
the elite. Now, most military organizations are going to fall right
into this, because the government.... Admitted, there’s gong to be a
lot of deserters from the military, I mean there’s some people,
like, if I was in the m ilitary, and they started rounding people up
in the U.S., I’d say, “Sorry, this is where I came in...”
is why this Koernke guy up in the Michigan militia group has been
talking about the foreign UN troops, because the military, the
government that’s ready to come into power, this one world
government knows that you can’t subdue any country with their own
(TK) It can’t be done.
(T) That’s why they’re sending
American troops to all these other countries.
And all the other countries are sending troops here.
(J) Well, what
guy who wouldn’t put on the U.N. uniform?
(T) Yes, that was
mentioned in the paper again today, in passing. This guy knew.
Well, really, the only thing a person can do is like you were
saying, go with the flow... Basically, you’ve got to. Up to a point,
(T) It’s easier to fight it by going with the flow than it
is to fight it by going against it.
(F) Who is going to stand up in
the line of fire and say “I refuse!” They’d blow him away...
(TK): What, if anything, can be done about this “New World Order?”
A: Too complex to answer, need specific questions.
Q: (T): I want to ask a couple of questions off the subject, on a
different subject, and then we can get back to this. I want to see
Tom sit over here. He’s tuned on this. He’s catching the answers
before they spell out. I want you to come sit over here, if you want
to. But not right now, I want to ask a couple of questions first.
This is off the subject, we’ll come back to it later. A few weeks
ago, at Luc’s meditation, did I channel you guys?
A: Well, you channeled, but we must warn you that some soul
groupings and aural
frequency vibrational associations can leave one open to less than
Q: (T): But was it you... was it us?
A: Up to you to discover.
Q: (L) OK, thank you. Now, second question, what is Judy channeling?
A: Rape victim.
Q: (T) OK, she’s channeling a rape victim?
(J) Or she is a rape
Q: (T) Are the lizards influencing her in some way?
Q: (T) Is she possessed?
Q: (T) Well, she’s got the whole slew... Q (L) They said she’s
channeling a rape victim, that’s pretty much possession...
That’s what the lizards want...
(L) Sure, they are the ones that
leave people wounded, so these kinds of things can happen, you know,
like going up to somebody and cutting them open with a knife, and
then sprinkling dirt and bacteria on it so they can get infected.
They do it to the soul level ...
(T) Is there anything that we can
do to help her?
(L) Terry, you know better than to ask something
A: Judy must follow her own path.
Q: (L) Now, read that back, what they answered the first question
about the channeling... you channeled someone...
“You channeled, but we must warn you that some soul groupings and
aural frequency vibrational associations can leave one open to less
than STO influences...”
(L) That’s what I wanted to get... Some soul
groupings and aural frequency vibrational associations - In other
words, be real damn careful who you hang out with when you get in
(T) In other words, you’re referring to the rest
of the grouping involved with working with Luc.
(J) Including Judy
and anybody else...
Q: (L) They’re not going to tell you what to do, (T).
(T) Well, I
know that... I know that. That’s why I keep my shields up solid in
(L) OK, now, is that it, or do you want to ask more about
(T) Should we stop doing the work with Luc?
(J) They’re not
going to tell you....
A: Up to you.
Q: (T): OK....
(L) But remember... stop Everything! Hold everything!
It just jumped in my head, whatever, remember when I asked the
question, and it was the time you guys called on the phone that
night, and we were talking about (T) quitting the job, and I was
saying, is he going to get into the financial soup?
Because I was worried about your income, because you had quit that
job. And I
was concerned about that, is he going to get into that soup, and
“Soup comes in all flavors!” And, if you think about it, having the
you’ve had available, not working, and seeking to fill this time
activities, can be in a sense jumping into a chicken noodle, or
(T) Very good point, yup.
(L) All right, Tom are you ready
to take a
turn? Let Terry have a rest.
(J) That’s a very good point, because
his job was
what kept us from being able to do it, because he wasn’t available
to do it.
(L) A ha, I see. All right, Tom, the thing is to just
place your fingers very lightly on it... like this... just two
fingers in contact. You keep the contact firm enough, but not too
heavy to weight it. OK,, now, the question you had asked was “Is
there anything that can be done about... is there anything you can
do about this New World Order business. So think of some specific
(J) I want to get back to that body duplicate soul
receptacle replacement thing...
(L) OK, hang onto that, we’ll get
back to it, don’t let it get away.
(TK) I can’t think of a
specific.. I mean...
(L) How about, should people move into groups
in isolated areas?
(J) We’ve gone through that, it’s old territory..
(L) I mean, that’s, you know, an opening... an opening question. You
can go from there. What is the primary focus that one should...
A: We have already answered...
Q: (L) We know that, but we’re just looking for an opening for
(TK) What was that?
(J)’We have already answered...
(L) We know that, it’s in the transcripts.
(J) A long, long thing
(L) It doesn’t matter where you are, but who you are, is
what they said. And that is pretty much what you were saying, it
doesn’t matter about the abduction, it only matters who you are.
(TK) Are most of the survivalist kind dangerous? The kind you should
stay away from?
A: Off the mark..
Q: (L) In other words, they’re off the mark, they don’t understand,
it’s a spiritual question.
(TK) They’re looking at the wrong thing.
(T) Also, right now, if you’re considering survivalist groups, you
have to keep in mind, they’re under attack right now.
(TK) Oh, yeah,
the government’s after them.
(T) Between Oklahoma and this thing
with Amtrak out in Arizona, militias are under heavy attack.
A: Being lead in to a trap.
Q: (L) I suspected that at one time. They’re all being led into a
(T) Well, they’ve got guns right now...
(J) Maybe guns aren’t
going to change anything...
A: Good intentions.
Q: (L) They’ve got good intentions...
(TK) Started off with good
They’ve got to be infiltrated, and it’s been tainted at the very
(J) Maybe it’s the idea of putting all the ones together with
the same mind set so you know where they are.
(T) Their usefulness
to the One World Government people has come to an end. It brought
the conservative grouping into power in this country.
A: Not yet.
Q: (TK) Their usefulness isn’t over yet, but...
(T) Well, there’s
usefulness and there’s usefulness...
(J) But getting close.
in those terms, what is the single most important thing that we as
individuals should focus on in order to prepare ourselves for
whatever events may occur?
(J) Follow your own path...
A: No single thing.
Q: (TK) Is what Terry was saying earlier, like the thing... with the
reed bending and going with the flow, is that the idea?
A: Close. Watch, look, listen.
Q: (J) Got it, knowledge is power.
(T) I gotta tell you, from the
Cleveland experience, if you let your mind wander, you end up in a
very bad position.
(J) Pay attention.
(T) Even if there’s a
lesson... boy, I learned that one quick!
Q: (L) And that does not involve anesthetizing your mind with
(TK) Probably wouldn’t hurt if you had any guns or
anything, to keep them hidden, would it?
A: Messengers are all around. Look, listen.
Q: (L) Well, can I ask, what was the particular thing that... I
mean, just out of curiosity...
(TK) Is it going to be necessary to
stockpile supplies, or anything along those lines?
(L) That’s all in
A: Third density.
Q: (L) That’s third density thinking.
(J) Guns aren’t going to help.
not really worried about that. No, they’re not going to help, but...
Tom know what third and fourth density is?
(L) Yes. Is there any
particular reason why Tom is here tonight, or came tonight? I mean,
I know he has an ostensible reason for coming down, but is there any
other underlying reason?
A: Look, discover.
Q: (L) OK, guys, let’s take a break, my back is getting really
stiff. Can we, or do you have something you want to get right now?
(TK) Jan had something.
(L) OK, you wanted to do about the... Is
your hand sweating?
(L) That’s interesting. That’s some
of the heat, huh?
(J) Yes, they said that the...
A: After break.
Q: (T): Ask them how many Civil War veterans were taken?
Q: (L) OK, guys, we’re back. Hello. Terry wants to know, are there
any Civil War veterans or killed in action involved in this scenario
that we were discussing earlier?
A: Tom energy fragmented by ritual. [Laura gave Tom Reiki initiation
Q: (L) So should he sit out until his energy settles down... We did
the Reiki initiation.
(F) Oh, that’s where you disappeared off to?
(L) OK, you sit out until your energy stabilizes, and I would
suggest that you sit there and put your hands on yourself and make
that energy flow to get all the little electrons flowing in the same
(TK) I thought it was going faster with him over there
(T) Well, we’ve been doing it for a year now...
Whenever anybody new comes in, it slows down.
(T) It usually takes a
while to build it up.
(F) That’s normal.
(L) OK, now back to Terry’s
question. Are there any Civil War individuals involved in this
project, these underground tunnels or bases or whatever?
of the Civil War?
A: A few.
Q: (T): Well, the farther back you go, the specialties
But a specialist is a specialist, no matter what the war.
A: Not point.
Q: (L) I think the point is who they are. Now, in the Matrix
material, there’s a section extracted from the L. Ron Hubbard
teachings that talks about technical abilities to jerk people’s
souls out of their bodies, insert other souls, reprogram the
memories, essentially that there is no congruency...
Q: (L) OK, so the jerking out and the manipulating of souls as
described by L.
Ron Hubbard is false? In a general sense?
Q: (L) OK, now, you said a moment ago that some of these bodies were
used as receptacles, soul receptacles. When you say soul
receptacles, do you mean soul receptacles for whom?
A: Replacements for dead bodies, i.e. duplicated.
Q: (L) So, in other words, they make replacements for dead people
and put their souls in a replacement body, so that they can continue
living on, is that it?
Q: (L) Do they ever use dead bodies and re-animate them and then put
other souls in them?
(T): Now, wait now, you’re saying some of them... I’m lost
Q: (TK) Is
there a limit to how long they can be dead?
(L) They make...
A: For example: a soldier is KIA, his body is duplicated, his soul
into new body, then he is “reprogrammed for service” to aliens and
S.G. [Secret Government]
Q: (L) Where does the new body coming from?
(TK) Cloned, basically.
(SV) I would think so...
A: It is duplicate of old body.
Q: (T) Where do they get the duplicate?
(L) Where do they get the
material for the duplicate? I know that’s a dumb question, I know
Q: (L) OK, that’s it.
(J) It’s in the air, same thing. [TDARM is
Dimensional Atomic ReMolecularization]
(T) Otherwise known in Star
Trek as a
(TK) Does somebody have to die in a certain way before
they can do this?
Q: (TK): Is there a time limit on how long they can be dead?
Q: (T): Well, because when your physical body dies, your soul body
continues on. Your soul doesn’t die, so they always have it.
They don’t want to take your body out of the graveyard, because
they’re not concerned about the body.
A: Zero time.
Q: (T): Because there’s no time...
(L) They use the frequency
vibration of the soul pattern, they take it into another density,
use their TDARM technology to cause a molecular re-assembly; in
other words, the atoms begin to whir and assemble around it in the
pattern that it had before, and then it is a full-fledged body, and
then they insert it back through the time doorway into 3D again. Is
Q: (T): Are all these KIA’s, are they dead KIA’s, when they go, that
you were talking about? I mean, are they really dead?
(TK) Were they
dead when this was done?
Q: (T): OK, you said... let’s use Vietnam. You said there were
23,000 KIA’s of the 60,000 that actually were not killed in action.
A: Were killed, then reanimated.
Q: (L) We’re not talking about physical bodies here, are we?
Q: (L) OK, there are some that were killed in action that the actual
bodies were reanimated?
(J) As long as they weren’t blown up in a
land mine, yeah.
(L) There were actually bodies that were actually
reanimated, is that correct?
A: Some, but most were duplicated.
Q: (L) Now this leads to the immediate question: Is there some
potentiality that is created by dying in a violent manner; i.e., in
war, in an atmosphere of war, that makes one susceptible to this
particular type of activity, as opposed to just people dying in an
(J) Negative energy...
Q: (T): No, because violent death like that, we have violent death
all the time without being in a war; car crashes, fires,
A: War makes covert actions so easy.
Q: (T) Well, no, it’s not like car crashes, the violent part of it,
I don’t think has anything to do with it. It’s just that the cover
of a war, is easier to take the bodies. What I’m trying to
(TK) They’re not wanting people to realize ... They’re
not wanting to just take them out of the graves, because if you did,
it would be more noticed.
(T) These are real bodies, they were dead.
In other words, the people were dead, they were taken, and
(L) Some were reanimated bodies...
(J) If they were messed up...
(L) Were some
of these bodies taken, like dead bodies of somebody who just died...
were the bodies picked up, taken into another density for this
Q: (L) OK, so they had to have an actual body for the pattern.
Was the original body...
(TK) Did they actually get the bodies
before anybody actually...
(T) Before they were recovered, yes. Were
the original bodies returned once the duplication was done?
A: More than one type of situation.
Q: (L) So, in other words, it could be sometimes, yeah, they were,
and sometimes, no, they weren’t.
(J) It would be case by case.
Were some of these supposed “killed in action’s” actually not
killed? Were they still alive when they were removed?
A: All possibilities.
Q: (L) So this is in a sense a “crime of opportunity.”
(J) It’s a
(T) Some were just taken by the secret government
when they were
alive, some were dead and brought back in new bodies to continue on,
were considered dead, but they’re all considered dead.
what about the “Triple Veil” when you go to 5D?
A: Taken by aliens, not SG. Secret Government aware to some extent,
but not in
control of operation.
Q: (L) OK, now this brings up the question about... We were told
that there was, and this was... last week we asked about this thing
about the death... and we were told that there was an impenetrable
triple veil that prevents some of this “L.Ron Hubbard”’ type of
activity, that he describes happening. How can this be reconciled?
Well, the explanation that I see is that it happens that they do
this before they go into the tunnel, into the light. They catch them
in the transition before they go to 5D. Is that correct?
A: Time adjustment.
Q: (L) Does that mean that they know that they’re going to, and they
go back in just before they die, or just at the moment of death,
Q: (T): Now, what are the aliens doing with these bodies? With the
humans that they replicate and duplicate and reanimate? What are
they doing with them?
A: Serve them.
Q: (T) So these humans are becoming servants for the aliens?
Q: (T) They’re slaves.
(L) Now, this leads me to a question that I
have thought about asking on many occasions. In terms of finite
numbers, how many of these STS aliens of any different group, or any
combination of groups all together, do we have operating on this
planet at the present time?
Q: (L) OK, how many Lizzies are operating on the planet?
Q: (L) OK, how many Oranges?
Q: (L) How many grays?
Q: (L) This is not a pretty picture!
(J) No s**t.
(L) Are most of
these inhabiting alternate dimensions or densities most of the time?
I mean, it would be kind of crowded otherwise!
A: Back and forth.
Q: (J): Just like they said in the very beginning.
(T) When you
asked how many of them are here; in third density?
(L) On the
A: And others.
Q: (L) I didn’t specify the density. Just in our immediate planetary
(T) That’s how many of them are working this project.
I’m sure that there are... here, hand me this little booklet here.
We have here some drawings of supposed alien servants. This one
right here is called a Rigelian servant. It’s a proto-synthezoid, in
other words, a cyber-genetic. Is this an accurate representation of
this being, and does this being actually exist?
Q: (L) Well, that’s friendly.
(SV) Which one is that? [Looks at
drawing.] Oooh, I don’t want to see him...
(L) Now, this one here...
(T) Oh, lightning bolt man!.
(L) Does this one actually exist? This
mutative clone form?
Q: (L) OK, this one here, this little Tah hay being...
Q: (T): ET!
(L) OK, they said he was real? Yes. OK, now this one is
a real pleasant looking fellow... [S’pth]
A: Yes. Occupies Dulce base.
Q: (T): Can we make it easy and just ask if everything in the book
No, because if there’s anything, I want to put a note on it.
[Reading] “This is
a cloned synthezoid form,” in other words a cybergenetic, “whose
specific job is
to act as controllers. They are plus or minus four feet tall.” This
think, your standard gray. It’s just that the drawing is kind of
(T) Wait, the face... the eyes are smaller on the thing but
is a lot like the one in the Autopsy film.
(L) This is a lot like
what I had in
my bedroom, only all swathed in black. OK, now, this is what they
call a replica. [Reading] “They are proto-synthezoid form of human
whose specific job is as a special outside agent. Observation: Face
and body change shape at will.” This is like in the X-File thing
where the guy... the shape changer. Is this a correct concept? Is
this basically a... I mean of course you have to draw them in an
Q: (L) Is there anything you can tell us about this in particular?
Any hint or clue?
Q: (L) OK, we’d have to ask questions. OK, these are the servants
from Zeta Reticuli One...
(T) Are these the Men in Black?
Q: (L) No, remember, the Men in Black...
(T): OK, just thought I’d
Just cross- checking here...
(T): Terminator Model IV here... Mr.
(L) OK, these servants from Zeta Reticuli One... this
is another version of the one. I would also assume that these are
the servants at the Dulce base?
A: Laura board. [Laura was holding book and did not have her fingers
Q: (L) I’m assuming that this is another version of the ones that
occupy the Dulce base. Is that correct?
Q: (L) What are these guys?
Q: (L) OK, these are floaters. Let me just comment so that...
Floaters? As in how floaters?
(L) I would say it was like somebody
in a job...
(T): Trouble shooters, they go from place to place...
(L) OK, these are real friendly looking. .. I love these guys!
Are those the “Blues?”
(L) The THROOB!
(T) Are these the little
short stubby blues that Whitley was into..
(L) Plus or minus four
feet tall... Yeah, I think so. It says here “They are originally
from the Draco Constellation and their job is to complete research.
They are plus or minus four feet tall. Are these accurately
represented here, both in terms and drawing?
Q: (T): Are these the ones that Whitley Strieber has seen?
Q: (L) OK, now, the degenerative clone form, which is the bottom
photograph, is this also an accurate representation?
Q: (L) What is the color of the skin of these friendly- looking
Q: (L) OK, I think there may be one more... Ha, ha! Are you guys
ready for this one? This is a Cassiopaean!
(T) Well, I don’t think
that’s a Cassiopaean!
(J) Let me see... Oh, lovely!
I couldn’t find a star called Cassiopaea...
(L) There isn’t.
Well, I know that.
(L) Well, he’s being sarcastic. OK, this is one
called a race of insectoids from Cassiopaea, whose specific job is
genetic research. Is this an accurate description and drawing of
Q: (T): Is Cassiopaea a star?
(T) What is Cassiopaea?
It’s a constellation.
(T) I know it’s a constellation, but they say
they’re from Cassiopaea. You can’t be from Cassiopaea...
right, that’s right. What star in Cassiopaea?
Q: (L) It’s Cassiopaea region. Is there any star in particular that
you would identify as their home star? They have to have a planet
with a home star somewhere, so where is their home star?
Q: (L) They don’t have to have a home planet, in other words, they
could be riding the wave.
(SV) Well, are they coming here?
these guys coming here?
A: All are already.
Q: (L) OK, hang on...
(T): What about the one below? What’s the one
(L) Well, that’s just a biological android. “The Nordics and
Oranges normally use inorganic, high-tech servants.” Is this an
accurate representation of an inorganic, high-tech. ..
Q: (T): What are all the hieroglyphics?
(L) It’s supposed to be one
of their alien languages. What does this business say here?
Q: (L) It’s scrambled. So it’s a combination of the various
different languages they have back there.
Q: (L) Somebody just put the various different symbols together,
because it looks like two or three different languages. OK, well,
that answered those questions.
(SV) Laura, are you going to get a
copy of that for us?
(L) Yes, I’ll make copies for all of you.
That’s so if I meet one of those guys in my dreams, I won’t get
scared... Well, I won’t be AS scared!
(J) Speaking of being
(TK) Doesn’t seem to me like there’s too much to worry
(T) It’s all supposed to be fun!
(L) Yeah, they’ve told us
it would be ecstasy dealing with it.
(T) This is fun! It’s a
challenge, and we’re supposed to enjoy this as the challenge that it
(J) Speaking of being scared...
(TK) Seems to me it’s something
you’ve got to take as it comes, and deal with it!
(T) That’s about it.
(J) Roll with the punches.
Q: (J): Speaking of being scared, I’ve had a couple more situations
where I wake up screaming and have no idea why. Any input to that?
I’ve had that happen about two or three times.
Q: (L) You’ve got to do hypnosis. They’ve been saying that a lot
That’s what they told Nova over and over again... Discover,
discover, discover. Did she tell you anything about the session?
The session? No.
(TK) Are we asking all the wrong questions here?
A: There are no such.
Q: (J) There are no wrong questions.
(L) I guess whatever occurs to
you to ask, as you wind your way around through the maze, trying to
get to the heart of it, is appropriate. I mean, what occurs to you
(J) It’s all knowledge...
(T) Whatever comes to you is
something you should ask.
(L) Once you read the entire
transcripts... Now, I really shouldn’t have given it to you the way
I did. I should have edited out all diddles. Because you could have
gotten to the meat of it. But, you’ve got to go through some of that
(J) It’s all part of the learning process. Even the
(L) Yeah, because, you know, there’ll be two pages of
somebody asking questions about their own personal stuff, and then
all of a sudden there’ll come three or four paragraphs of such
tremendous impact that you just kind of go “Oh, my god”...
you read through the personal stuff, there’s information there,
(L) There’s stuff buried there, too...
(T) There’s all kinds
of stuff in there...
(J) I don’t think you can edit it out, Laura,
to be honest with you... I think Andrew was right, just leave it
right as it is.
(TK) But what can... are there questions you can
ask, and answers you can get that will make a difference one way or
(J) Just keep asking, I guess.
(T) Well, really, what we
end up doing is just shooting a lot of different questions out until
we get something where we’re getting answers, and then we work on it
for a while, until we can ‘t handle it any more...
(L) Sometimes, we
don’t even know what’s going to open a door. Some of the most
innocuous questions have opened the door to some of the most
incredible information which has blown us away.
Q: (L) So ask.
(T) Go ahead, there’s no such thing as a wrong
question. The thing is, we all ask questions that turn out to be
silly. We all get embarrassed, so don’t worry about it. They handle
that real well for us.
(Tom)I don’t know, this seems like... what
difference does it really make, knowing some of this stuff?
(J) Because just being aware of it...
(TK): Being aware, yeah, OK, I can understand.
that’s all there is...
(L) Also, they’ve told us, that the more
knowledge we actually accumulate, it actually changes your frequency
and adds volume and bulk and power and force to who and what you
are, at a fundamental level. Not physically, but psychically. In
other words, when you come up to some... if you are a person who’s
full of knowledge, I mean, what does it say in the Bible? “My people
perish for a lack of knowledge...” and it says, “you shall know the
truth, and the truth shall set you free.” And the more knowledge you
have, the bigger you are, in a cosmic and psychic sense, the more
powerful you are, and...
A: Suggest more questions about the goings on at underground
facilities. Jan and
Terry were visitors involuntary when went to Albuquerque and Las
Q: (J) Oh, really!
(T) Read it back, I lost it after
(L) You were in an underground base?
(T) We were in a
front door of an underground base. We were in Carlsbad Caverns, and
I know that there’s a government facility at the other end of it,
and they won’t talk about it.
(J) Is that what they mean?
talking about Carlsbad?
Q: (T): When we were in Albuquerque?
Q: (J) And Las Vegas?
(T) When we were in Las Vegas, also?
A: Met alien there.
Q: (L) Oh, you met an alien when you were in Las Vegas!
that have anything to do with the fact that the pictures didn’t come
out from our wedding?
Q: (T): Ohhhhh...
(J) I know exactly what you are talking about.
A: Disguised humanoid gray species four. Rigelian. Orion union STS.
Q: (T) Why did he talk to us? Why did he approach us? I know
A: Spying on you and aural frequency reading, had you not been as
have suffered permanent abduction because of your studies
Q: (L) Now, right there is a point. Everybody take note of this.
What is there about strength that makes one inaccessible to
A: Strength is of character, i.e. if STO candidate, not likely to be
Q: (L) Not likely to be victim... OK, but what..
(L) I know, but that’s... it says when... well, what is
it that makes a person... We know that it means being an STO
candidate, but what is the thing inside one that stops them... I
mean, is this something that is a core ingredient of certain human
beings? Is this like something inside them that blocks this
manipulation and victimization?
A: Soul pattern.
Q: (L) So in other words, there is something about us, or within us,
that literally they cannot touch or harm, is that correct?
A: Basically, but difficult to facilitate.
Q: (L) OK, in other words, this is something that is in us, that
creates an inherent barrier, but not necessarily something that we
can, at this level of density, reach in, grab out as a weapon, and
wave around, as in facilitate?
A: Can, but intricate to do consciously.
Q: (L) OK, so, in other words, difficult to do consciously. Is this
some quality or ability that we can work at? I don’t think
meditation is the answer, this is something that I’ve come to
think... Is this a state of focused awareness, whole body awareness,
internal and external, basically whole body awareness...
Q: (L) That’s helpful. Is there something we can do to develop this
to the highest degree possible, while in these bodies, in this
A: Wait for 4.
Q: (L) Wait for 4? 4th density?
Q: (T) We can’t develop it ourselves, but if we...
(J) We can start
(T) It’s a case of not developing it, it’s a case of
that, if you can do it, it does it all by itself, you don’t think
(L) It’s an innate thing...
(T) It’s a do, it’s an
involuntary, it’s there, it works when it needs to work. Is this the
A: Network western experiences for learning purposes please.
Knowledge is protection.
[Briefly, Terry related the story where he and Jan met the barfly at
Vegas World, after having gone downtown to get their marriage
license. They had taken a taxi to City Hall, and foolishly decided
to walk back to the Strip, in 116 degree weather. They made it as
far south as Vegas World, and stopped at the bar inside to cool off.
Jan was close to heat prostration, and the barmaid gave her glasses
of iced water and an iced towel to put on her neck.
getting ready to go back out and hail a cab back to Bally’s, when
they were approached by the “Barfly,” who started asking all sorts
of personal questions, and seemed to be acting drunk when he wasn’t
really intoxicated. He became belligerent when Terry] refused to
show him his Florida drivers license, but switched to disorientation
when Terry made the statement “We don’t have a problem here, do
While staring the guy down and putting the force of his
personality behind the question/statement.]
Q: (T) Before we get too far into this, I want to ask them where we
were taken. Because after that, as far as I know, nothing else
happened. We just went on about our business, and we didn’t see him
(L) In this story that (T) has just recounted, what instant
represents the turning point of resistance?
A: The statement.
Q: (L) What statement?
(T) “We don’t have a problem, here, do we?!
Everything’s cool, everything’s OK! I’ll buy you a beer?”
Q: (T): Because that’s when he got confused...
(J) You totally
(SV) Yeah, from the glaring and staring at each
(T) He was escalating this to a point, and I don’t know, it
just came to me that the best way to do this was to just stop it
A: Grays and their associates are thrown off by energy flow
thought pattern interruptions.
Q: (SV) That’s exactly what they said in Matrix I!
(T) Another thing
that comes to mind while I’m thinking about it, before it turned
ugly, he was leading up to going someplace.
(J) Very vaguely, but
(T) He was leading up toward, “We ought to get together and go
someplace.” I think that’s when I really shut the whole thing off.
(L) OK, now, in this episode where Terry and Jan were taken to an
underground base, can you identify the location of the underground
A: Socorro, NM
Q: (J) We were in Socorro, weren’t we?
(T) We went through
Socorro... We stopped at the geological school.
(L) OK, what was
done to them when they were in this underground facility?
A: Quick exam.
Q: (T) Did we pass? I’m not good on quick exams! Which of the nights
in Albuquerque was it we were taken?
Q: (T) We got there Friday afternoon, that would have been
(L) Who was in charge of this base, this facility? What
A: Orion union STS.
Q: (T) Why did they take us? I know, a quick exam, but why? Because
we happened to be there, and we were close by?
(L) They said a
minute ago because of your studies.
(T) Well, they could have taken
us in Florida.
Q: (L) Because of your studies. Well, you happened to be near a
base, I guess. Not everybody goes to these bases, you know, these
underground facilities. They get taken to ships....
(T) Did we get
taken to the base because we happened to be close by at the time
when they grabbed us? Was it an opportunity for them?
Q: (T) Did they know we were coming out there?
Q: (T) Why did they follow up with a spy afterwards?
Q: (T) What kind of test?
(J) I think we passed...
(L) I think that
if you’d failed, they said a minute ago, you’d have been permanently
A: Already answered.
Q: (L) It’s an aural reading... read the section back about aural
You mean that what they were looking at was to see whether we were
STS or STO?
Q: (L) And if they had been permanently abducted at that point in
time, what would have happened to them?
A: Body part utilization.
Q: (T): You mean I’d be part of some - body?
(TK) Basically, what
that means is that you wouldn’t have been any good to them as a
person, but the parts would have been all right.
(T) Well, if they
would have taken us and utilized us as body parts, but they didn’t
(J) They couldn’t take us because you were strong...
So they took us... what was the purpose of the examination
beforehand? I know, quick exam, was it to find out whether our body
parts were good? I’m trying to make... get the connection between
the... because there was no reason to... If they had taken us...
If they had taken you, why didn’t they keep you?
A: Too complex to explain in this forum.
Q: (L) In other words, we’re really getting tired here. I do have an
idea about that. Is there not something internal that prevents them
from going too far during an abduction, i.e. like maybe, if you want
to call it that, a guardian angel or protective energy, and then
they try to put an implant in, and then create a situation where
they can bypass that... Oh, I know! Is this what Michael Topper was
writing about in his article, “Channels and the Positive/Negative,”
where he talks about the “obedience factor” of the STS? If they can
get you to obey something, you have given your permission.
Q: (L) This article is so... OK, I think we’re going to close up for
tonight, because we’re so whipped... are you whipped?
(F) Well, I’m
(L) OK. Is there anything you want to say to anyone
before we close up the shop for tonight? Is there any message for
Tom, who is getting ready to go back up North tomorrow? Or for any
of us in general?
Q: (L) Anything you want to ask before we go? OK, then, we’ll say
goodnight, and we thank you for being with us.
End of Session
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