May 26, 1995
Freddie, Laura, Susan
Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello. Why not Susan?
Q: (L) Well, I don’t know. Do you want Susan at the board?
A: Up to you and her; we just asked; no biggy.
Q: (L) Well, she is taking notes.
A: Okay. Hello.
Q: (L) Could we have your name, please?
Q: (L) And where are you from?
Q: (L) Okay, we have several questions tonight...
A: Fire away.
Q: (L) The first question is regarding the warning of attack Terry
and Jan received earlier this year...
Q: We are concerned that they are currently under attack.
Q: (L) Terry was offered a job that was interesting, and this offer
came, seemingly under exceptional conditions, that is, during the
interview, which almost never happens. When he got into the job, he
felt that it was not the place for him to be and he quit after four
hours. His perception, as I understand it, is that his quitting of
this job was an act of protection stemming from his knowledge that
it was not the place for him to be. I wondered, and my clue was his
word “feeling,” that because he was “feeling negative” toward the
job, and therefore perceived the job in a negative way, he quit what
may have been an excellent point of contact for other things, people
and experiences that he may have been in line for. Interestingly,
Jan felt the same way. Now, my question...
A: You are correct.
Q: (L) So, he quit the job and this is part of attack?
A: Yes. Resulting from.
Q: (L) What are the ramifications of this? Is this indicative of a
possible financial bind? Like getting into the financial soup?
Q: (L) So, at this point, it will just have to be dealt with, is
A: Soups come in a variety of flavors.
Q: (L) So, it is not necessarily that he will have financial
problems, it could be something else altogether?
Q: (L) Well, I think Terry has been having some pretty negative
feelings, as have I, in general. Is this a correct assessment?
A: Point out to him that feelings are best to be aired, lest they
Communication is the key.
Q: (L) Yes, we know that, and I tried to communicate some of my
concerns to him on the phone, but he seemed to be blocking me
because when I pointed out that feelings are not to be trusted, he
said that he felt that his feelings ARE reliable in this case. He
kept using the word “feeling” which rang in my head like a warning,
especially after what I have been through recently. I tried to
A: Terry is the one who needs to communicate.
[Phone rings and time out is taken to talk to Jan and Terry]
Q: (L) Were you listening to our conversation?
A: Of course as always.
Q: (L) That is so comforting.
( SV) Yes. Remember when I whispered to
you because I didn’t want the Cassiopaeans to hear?! (L) Right!
A: Ha! Ha!
Q: (SV) They did hear me! (L) Okay. I just talked to him about what
we are discussing, and Terry is pretty convinced that he is on the
right track and he has me pretty convinced at this point, too.
A: Attack, just look at what he is feeling about Freddie and SV, do
recognize the “symptoms?”
Q: (L) Yes, I guess I do since I just went through that and I seem
to be suffering in similar ways from time to time. Could you give us
some advice on how we can break the attack?
A: He needs to air it out with proper parties.
Q: (L) So, if we all aired everything out, it would help to break
A: Yes. Pops like a balloon.
Q: (L) Now, regarding my own situation... Terry and Jan have just
offered assistance which is welcome and timely, but is only a
A: We provide, and when ready, huge sums will come to all.
Q: (SV) It all depends on what you consider “huge.” (L) Well, I
consider “huge” in the millions.
( SV) Well, that is beyond my
comprehension. What would I do with that much?
( L) I could help you
out with that! (SV) I was hoping you would say that!
A: You will manage!
Q: [Laughter] (L) Okay, well, I have made the decision that I am not
going to push to do anything, including moving, unless and until I
am sure that that is what I am supposed to do. I am sure that you
will let us know.
Q: (L) So, we can just work on the house and work on making
ourselves happy where we are.
A: Good girl!
Q: (L) We had our aura photographs taken at the metaphysical
conference. Were those photographs accurate in color representation?
Q: (L) Freddie had a very lovely aura. There are, however, a couple
of things that are confusing. In SV’s aura, the colors are very
compact and close into her body. What does this indicate?
A: Stomach problems.
Q: (L) What could she do to alleviate her stomach problems?
A: Change her diet “big time!”
Q: (L) What is there about her diet...
A: Starch and fats must be reduced steadily.
Q: (L) And what should she add?
Q: (L) Any particular kind?
Q: (L) Is microwaved food harmful to the person who consumes it?
A: Not much.
Q: (L) Now, are the colors in SV’s aura fairly representative of
what her colors
A: Parameters change within resulting in aura changes.
Q: (L) Can the color of your aura reflect psychic attack?
Q: (L) We gave some of our material to Michael Lindemann. I would
like to know what his ultimate reaction to it will be? He did not
seem to be favorably impressed, but I don’t think he read it,
A: Let it seep.
Q: (L) I also left some material with Linda Howe. Is this going to
help her in any way?
A: Sinking in.
Q: (L) Are we going to get any repercussions or responses to the
distribution of this material?
Q: (L) Are we going to get any positive responses?
A: Yes. We direct you as long as you have faith in us, as we are
is always designed to destroy that faith, either directly or
indirectly. Think of the instances, to see if there is a familiar
pattern to the “root.”
Q: (L) So, attack is always directed at
undermining our faith.
A: In a roundabout way.
Q: (L) Now, there is a real issue here about SV working on different
people who may be sources of negative energy. Is just knowing that
there may be negative energies sufficient protection to allow her to
work on just anybody?
A: Strengthens shield if knowledge is utilized properly through
channels, therefore, exposure is good if care, prudence and
awareness are applied.
Q: (F) Does this mean that Terry, by withdrawing into a protective
shell, has deprived himself of an opportunity to gain strength in
A: Yes. It is lack of faith in what is brought forth for him as
well. Tends to
weaken the shield.
Q: (SV) Maybe I just shouldn’t tell anyone who I work on?
( L) No, we
can’t not tell each other what we are doing because that is a lack
of faith in each other. We can’t baby ourselves or each other.
It all has to be aired out some time or another.
( L) Can I ask
something about the perpendicular realities?
A: Wait for Terry and Jan be present for answers.
Q: (L) Okay, I’m jumping the gun because I am eaten up with
End of Session
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May 27, 1995
Freddie, Laura, Jan and Terry, Carla and Roger Santilli
Q: (L) I guess that is the name. Hello, how are you this evening?
(T) Who do we have with us?
A: Name given.
Q: (T) Where are you from?
Q: (T) How are you tonight?
Q: (T) We are doing okay too. We have some company this evening.
Q: (T) Roger and Carla Santilli are with us. Roger has some
questions to ask later.
A: Hello, Roger.
Q: (RS) Hello.
( T) Do you have anything you want to talk about to
start off with?
A: Channel open.
Q: (L) Alright, let’s start off with the question that Susan and I
have wondered about: Is it alright if I give the Reiki initiation
during the Mercury retrograde?
A: Of course!
Q: (L) That’s what I thought. Go ahead, Roger, ask what ever you
( RS) I want to know whether we can have any clues on the
propulsion systems of UFOs?
Q: (RS) What’s the mechanism of the propulsion?
A: This is difficult to answer when posed in such a manner, as we
about multiple realities, density levels and various modes as well!!
Q: (RS) Is the gravity experienced by an anti-particle in the field
of matter attractive or repulsive?
A: Repulsive when thought of in the way that is parallel to your
as we alluded to in the previous answer, there are more realms
involved besides the one with which you are most familiar.
Q: (RS) The next question is: particles move, matter moves, in our
direction of time, do anti-particles, anti-matter, flow backward in
A: Think of it as merely one seventh of the equation, Roger!
Q: (L) Can we get an answer on whether this is the case strictly on
the third level of density?
Q: (RS) Yes! I am interested in the propulsion systems of UFOs, the
only way that I can perceive travelling the long distances involved
in interstellar space is to have what is called a “space/time”
machine. We cannot move the enormous distances unless you can fold,
somehow, time and space. You cannot fold space unless you join it
and fold time. You cannot have interstellar travel unless you have a
space/time machine. But, a space/time machine means to also have the
ability to move forward and backward in time, to manipulate time.
(L) Yes, you would have to cross distances and simultaneously move
backward through time so that you would end up arriving wherever you
are going essentially at the same moment that you left.
( RS) That is
why I asked whether we can use anti-matter as a propulsion, because
it would be repulsive in the right direction. The second question
whether, when we use anti- matter, we would move backward in time.
Because, some of those objects, you see them moving, and they can be
moving in space but not in time, or they could be moving in time but
not in space. If you see a UFO, it does not mean that it is in our
time. It could be in a completely different time.
( L) And, they
disappear sometimes right before the eyes of the observer, and the
question is: where do they go?
( RS) They could be standing still in
space, but moving time. Or moving backwards.
( L) And, there are a
lot of abductions reported where there is seemingly no time lost at
all. They come in, haul the victim out, do whatever they do, and
then they slide them back in a fraction of a second away, if not at
the identical second they took the victim out! (RS) Yes! This
article I presented is exactly about this point! If, indeed, anti-
particles have lift, then necessarily they have to go backward in
time. Then they manipulate this: you can have an abduction any
length of time inside the craft, but in our time, in our level
three, it is zero time! (L) Yes, exactly! And not only that, there
is the phenomenon of the craft that looks small from the outside,
but inside is huge! (RS) That is all tied up in it! This is very
exciting. I am learning the language. In our third level, the motion
in space and time occurs via the change of the unit of time and
space, therefore, can we change the unit?
A: Yes, this is precisely what we mean when we speak of “transiting
from 4th to
Q: (RS) So, when they travel from 4th to 3rd, they change the units.
That is precisely what is in the article in the journal! [Holds up
book.] This is published in the Ukraine, [turns to page and displays
diagrams and equations] this is the experiment to test anti-gravity.
There is a two mile long tunnel which is a vacuum inside. They suck
the air out. The first measure is to shoot photons to identify, at
the end of the two mile tunnel, the no gravity point.
The second measure is to shoot a neutron, and we know that a neutron
attractive. So, after two miles, the energy is very, very low. So,
there is no gravitational effect when the neutron hits the point.
Then, the third step is to shoot an anti-neutron at the same time
and see what happens. This experiment will resolve this issue that
this board has answered very scientifically. We call it the gravity
of anti-particles because we don’t know. It can be down... Einstein
predicts this as attractive as a neutron, anti-matter and matter
have the same gravitational attraction. That’s what Einstein says.
But, when Einstein’s theory was proposed, in 1915, anti-matter
wasn’t discovered until 50 years later. If now, theoretically, the
only way a particle, in our theory, can go up, can have lift, is if
time is reversed. There is no other possibility. So, if this
experiment is correct, then the space/time machine is absolutely a
consequence and can be tested in a laboratory. You can have a
particle moving backward and forward in time. [Displays new
diagram.] This is the other experiment which is, in this case, is
done by putting a particle which is neutral and subjecting it to...
since we don’t have a bunch of anti-matter - ideally we would have a
pellet of matter and replace it with anti-matter - we don’t have a
pellet of anti-matter, at this point, there are ways to do it though
and it can be measured as to which way it moves, up or down. Now,
the question of the units, it is very important, a fundamental
question, because, say, you are outside a UFO, and you see the UFO
as big as a car, say, and people go inside and report this enormous
interior. There is no other way to do this than by changing the
unit. What is for us one inch, that unit is completely different
inside. For us the unit is the same along the three directions. Now,
if you are inside, they can have different units in different
directions. This means that if you are outside a cube, and you go
inside, the shape, not only the dimensions but the shape even, can
A: Density borderline cross awareness. Does Roger have familiarity
with density definitions?
Q: (L) Did we ever get a density definition, Terry.
( T) Just about
the seven levels.
( L) Okay, what is a density definition?
A: Review, using your own knowledge base, i.e. network.
Q: (L) What do we understand about density?
( T) There are seven
levels of density.
( L) First level of density is rocks, minerals,
plants. They have an awareness at there level. Rocks may even grow
and move, but they do it so slowly that we cannot perceive it.
Second level is the animal kingdom. This density awareness relates
to geometrical progression. The first level has the awareness of a
line. The second level has awareness of a line moving at right
angles to itself, or planes. Third density is human beings and we
have the awareness of the plane moving at right angles to itself,
but we can never experience this fully. We see things as three
dimensional only because we create an illusion based on memory and
knowledge. We can never know the other side or the inside while we
are looking at any given side.
( J) The Witnesses in Heinlein’s book
could only tell what they actually saw. If you asked them the color
of a barn, they would tell you that the side they could see was red.
If you took them around to see the back and they saw that it was red
also, and you then asked them what color it was after it was no
longer in view, they would still say that the side they could see
was red. If you asked them about the other side that they had seen,
they would say that since they could no longer see it, it may have
changed color so they would not attest to it.
( L) So, third density
is like that. We can only know things by our perception. So, if we
extend the idea of 1st, to second, to third, to fourth, and try to
understand what fourth density would be like, because then you would
know the cup or other object all the way through at once. You would
experience a sphere inside and out and all around all at once. We
stretch for this...
( T) Fourth density is inclusive of all the
densities below it and an added density. Fifth would be, again,
fourth density nature turned at right angles to itself. The same for
sixth and then seventh, which the Cassiopaeans call “The One.” The
( L) And we have no idea of how to express these
things. They have told us about TransDimensional Atomic
Remolecularizers and we asked them how to build one.
They asked if we had a couple of days to sit and take direction.
(RS) I do! I
do! (L) We know, and we said the same, but then they asked us where
going to get the parts?
( RS) It would be like trying to build
electronics in ancient Roman times...
( T) Or, telling a dog how to
build a watch. Even if the dog understands how to build it, where is
he going to get the parts?
( RS) This point of how deceptive is our
perception has been proven scientifically with the seashells. Didn’t
we discuss about the seashells?
( T) Yes.
( RS) At the third level, is
it true that the value of the dimension is changed by the available
energy, or the energy is used to change the value of the units?
A: This concept crosses the density barrier, not limited to level
Q: (RS) Goes up to level four. That’s the means of propulsion of the
A: Reason for exponential awareness “explosion” is approach of wave.
concentrate on visualization, answers are located there... After a
period of contemplation, Roger to “hit upon” breakthrough question
to solve puzzle currently occupying “centerstage” of his psyche,
with only one piece missing currently. [I take this to mean that
Roger will be able to come up with questions to access the
Cassiopaean information in a way so that the information can be
dispensed. Also that his awareness is exploding as a result of the
Q: (T) Starting with the fourth density, we are no longer confined
to the physical. The key phrase is “variability of physicality.”
Once you move from 3rd density to 4th density, and we are all moving
upward toward seventh density. When you raise your knowledge, your
awareness, to a certain level, you can move to the next level. When
we move from third to fourth density, at that point, we have the
ability to visualize and decide what our reality is. We create
reality from fourth level on. So, at one point, there may not be a
solid reality. It may all be energy, we would be light beings, so to
speak. We could change that just by thinking about it and making a
solid reality. Or, as solid as we wish. This point also, from fourth
density up, there is no such thing as time as we perceive it. Our
perception of time only exists in the first three densities. Each
density perceives it differently.
( RS) What we perceive as back and
forth in time, when we go to the fourth level, it doesn’t exist
anymore. Beings on that level can move back and forth through our
density of time because, for them, it doesn’t exist. It is all now.
It is only one time.
( L) It is like a whole bunch of different
doors, one says 1917, one says 1943, or whatever, and they can walk
through whichever one they wish...
( T) There is the Realm Border.
The Earth is moving into a 4th density area of space. Or it is
moving toward us, or both. This Realm Border, this crossover between
densities, and it’s also a crossover between dimensions - a quick
sidebar on dimensions: dimensions, according to the Cassiopaeans are
lateral realities; all possible realities of a density level, an
infinite number; there is a difference between density and
( RS) This is a fascinating meeting because the answers to
the question about moving mathematically from the third level to the
fourth level, this change in the units, the answer is exactly what
is proposed in my book. The answer, as given, is possible...
( T) We
have been told that the universe teems with life at all levels, and
that humans are just one selection.
( L) And what they are saying, I
think, is that this oncoming realm border, this density change, is
being felt and is stimulating consciousness. Essentially what has
been said is that what is coming up for us is the ending of a Grand
Cycle. A Grand Cycle is 300,000 years...
( T) Give or take a day...
(L) ...as we measure time. At the beginning of this Grand Cycle, we
were genetically altered to reduce our awareness and also
genetically altered through our DNA to perceive time itself. It is
in our DNA to be limited this way. Now, at the end of this 300,000
year cycle, a lot of people are reassembling this broken DNA as a
result of the changes in energy, and that this is causing their
mental powers and perceptions to expand exponentially. I think that
they are telling you that this energy is acting on you in a way to
allow you to have the breakthrough that you need to finish the
puzzle that you have been working on. By having the concepts that
you are being given now, you will be able to hold this as a visual
and this will give you the key.
(RS) I notice that if the question is not properly phrased...
You don’t get your answer! Be specific.
A: Careful not to confuse with too much data that is not connected
in the same
concept arena, as visitor is concerned primarily with one direction;
in order to familiarize let data be absorbed on schedule comfortable
to researcher! Like trying to learn mathematics in broken dosages!
Q: (L) They are telling us not to tell you too much at once because
it will take you away from the central question you are working on.
(RS) Also, I think we should report this work to the MUFON group!
(T) We offered to do this at the meeting and they don’t want to do
it. This does not fall within MUFON’s guidelines.
( L) It is not nuts
( RS) But this has answered all the questions for the
article! In an incredible way! It has answered all the fundamental
( J) This is the first time that we have had someone
present who has the technical background to understand what is going
on and what kind of communication we are receiving.
( RS) Yes, it has
A: His energy has effect upon group.
Q: (RS) Two short questions and then I will stop...
A: Ask as many as you desire!
Q: (RS) In our level three, does the use of anti-matter change the
sign of the unit? Does this imply the reversal of the sign of the
unit of space and time?
A: Yes, but problem has always been for level three entities, that
side is uncharted, therefore experimentation is not recommended,
unless with assistance from level four through six STO.
Q: (RS) That is an incredible answer because this is traveling in
time. First they said that by using energy you can change the
numerical value of the units, and from this _______ you can make a
________ show. Now the question: how you can go backward in time; by
changing the sign of the unit: plus one second and we move forward,
if that unit is changed to minus one second, we move backward. So
the question, whether by using anti-matter we can move backward. But
their answer was saying... precisely, that we are moving from level
three to level four. Last question and then I am through.
A: Not correct, Roger!
Q: (L) It’s not going to be your last question! [Laughter] (J) They
already said to ask as many as you desire!
A: This session has been designated for you! That is why we arranged
for you to
be here!! You are about to embark upon an extensive tour, whereby
you will be communicating and networking, and in fact studying and
researching with others of similar paths. The learning and knowledge
gain that will result from this sojourn will have extremely major
implications! Therefore, consider this to be your “night!” [Note: It
seems that the “sojourn” could be either the session or the trip.]
Q: (RS) They insist on it! Then, I have another very important
question! In Greece, at this time, at the University of Santia (?),
the nuclear physics laboratory at the University, there is a
potentially fundamental experiment going on based on my studies and
this book here, [displays book] to search for fundamentally new
source of energy by bombarding zinc 70 or molybdenum 100 via Gamma
with 1.294 MeV energy. Will the experiment be successful...
Ah ah... they will not answer that! (J) They may not touch that
( RS) Will zinc 70 be a new source of energy? Can these
substances be new sources of energy?
A: All of the experiments you speak of share one thing in common:
“touch the borderline” from the perspective of the third density
Q: (T) When you talked about using the anti-matter they said:
“Yes” you can work with it, but you are only getting it on one side
and you can’t get to fourth density side unless you have someone
working with you from over there, you have to find a fourth density
being to help you here... but you are touching it, you are at the
edge of where you can go in third density...
( RS) Will you help us?
(Carla) Yes, let’s be practical! [Laughter]
A: Terry did not give exactly correct answer. It is possible to
cross over into
fourth density from third, using third density technology. In fact,
this has already been accomplished by various individuals and groups
on a more or less accidental basis, the problem is “what does one do
when one reaches fourth density reality with only third density
training and experience?”
Q: (L) Could you, if we spent the time, help us with this training
A: Yes, but what do you intend to use it for? This is not like going
DisneyWorld for a day, you know!
Q: (Susan) They sure told you, Laura! [Laughter] (T) I guess then
that what Roger is working on is hitting the edge of third density
and it can cross over! My question is: if a crossover is
accomplished, will the experimenters know what has happened? What
will they do? Will they be aware that they have just stepped into
the twilight zone, so to speak. Opening that up is a door, or a
window, and stuff can go both ways! (L) We were told that the
members of the famous Flight 19 are frozen in a time warp and are
still trying to get their bearings! They think no time has passed.
(RS) In this type of theory, this is very plausible! (L) Well, you
don’t want to find yourself in a similar position! (T) Yeah, Carla
will be on the phone asking: “When is Roger coming home?” And you
will be over in fourth density asking: “How do I get home from this
one!” [Laughter] (J) I have a question: If it is not like going to
DisneyWorld, does the ride ever end?
A: Too complex, your query is too vague.
Q: (J) I was just making a joke! (T) Mirth, mirth! (RS) Did they
answer the question as to whether they will help us?
( L) They said
A: What is your knowledge quotient regarding following:
electromagnetism, Einstein’s “unified field theory.” And did he ever complete said
theory, or was it completed under the supervision of consortium, and
suppressed. And if so, what are the ramifications!!! Also, Roger,
are you capable of “filling in the blanks,” we think so! [Laura’s
note: I don’t think they mean the “blanks” of the unified field
theory, but rather reading between the lines of this answer! What,
exactly, are the ramifications of research in this direction?]
(RS) From the third level there cannot be a unification of
electromagnetism and gravitation because they are identical. There
is an identity between electromagnetism and gravitation. So, there
is no need of the unification because they are identical. Is this
A: Yes. What about fourth level?
Q: (T) What does this mean for fourth level?
( RS) To my
understanding to the third level, this is where the possibility to
go up a level comes in. If gravitation and electromagnetism are
identical, then anti-gravity exists. The origin of anti-gravity is
not unification. Einstein was wrong, but the identification that
they are the same implies the existence of anti-gravity.
A: Wrong when searching on level three density exclusively, but this
the Consortium comes in, i.e. “Can of Worms.” [Note: “Wrong” is
referring to Einstein’s theory.]
Q: (T) It is considered known to the general public that Einstein
did not complete his Unified Field Theory, but that may be a
falsehood. Part of the disinformation campaign.
( RS) From what we
know, Einstein failed to achieve the Unified Field Theory because
the assumptions were not realizable.
( T) Maybe his ideas were taken
and completed by someone else and suppressed. [Roger sits at board]
(RS) Can I ask a question? The origin of the mass of an elementary
particle is primarily electromagnetic, therefore, the gravitational
field of elementary particle must be primarily of electromagnetic
nature. That’s why the view at level three is, outside mass, the
gravitation and electromagnetism are identical. This is our belief
at this time, supported by experimental evidence. Why is this wrong?
I need an explanation.
A: Not wrong at level three, wrong to limit to 3rd level.
Q: (RS) Is it true that the universe has equal amounts of matter and
anti-matter as seen from level three?
A: Yes, all others as well.
Q: (RS) Then it is true that the total time in the universe is null?
Q: (RS) This is incredible!
A: But, Roger less pressure! [Roger lightens up] ...thank you. Now,
most important concept is balance. How is balance achieved?
Q: (L) I guess that whatever there is one of, there is one of the
(RS) Matter and anti-matter. So, if matter is flowing in this
time, anti-matter is flowing the other way. They balance each other.
(J) STO and STS. We have to have both. This is my question of the
total time of the universe which is zero. If we flow this way, maybe
others in another galaxy are flowing another way. The sum is zero.
A: Not galaxy, dimension.
Q: (RS) Yes. Another level. I always think at level three!
A: Not any more! [Laughter]
Q: (RS) How can we represent mathematically the identification of
gravity and electromagnetism, including the fourth level that you
suggest? How can this be done? How can the inclusion of the fourth
level be realized?
A: We asked you to visualize for answers. It is always there for you
Q: (RS) It is not going to be easy, but I am going to give it a try.
A: What ever is?
Q: (RS) The question is how to represent mathematically the
transition to the fourth level. I think that this can be done by the
isogeometries, the geometry which we discussed earlier, which is
generalization of the unit of space and time...
A: Geometry is one key, but there is another.
Q: (L) What is the other key? Maybe its a three dimensional matrix.
(RS) That’s what we use. We also use the cubic.
( L) Could you give
us a clue. Just a little clue.
( RS) Give us the formula!
A: Have already... access...
Q: (L) They say they already have. Well, you know, all the time when
I type these transcripts, I constantly find that things have been
said that I didn’t realize at the time the import.
( RS) We should
have a session... because this is confirmation of the only
mathematical model we have of the UFOs... the only one that exists
as far as I know. We have a computer model... we cannot build a UFO,
we don’t have the technology, but we can put the formula into the
computer and get a model.
A: Merge geometry with optics.
Q: (RS) What?! It is the science of light.
( L) Geometric light?
Q: (RS) That is precisely what I have done. I’ve done a
representation of light represented by a unit which is a matrix. I
have already done this! Years ago!
A: But you left out one important factor, remember, hypothesis does
Q: (RS) I made a conceptual hypothesis in my mind. That’s not a
theory. It has to be formulated in a quantitative way, that’s the
mathematics, the formula, and then this has to be proven
experimentally that it works. Hypothesis, formula, and experimental
verification is the process for a theory.
A: Now, what factor was missing, Roger?
Q: (L) What is it?
( RS) I don’t know.
( L) Maybe it’s because you
didn’t factor in fourth density?
( RS) Oh yes! That’s for sure! (J)
Maybe that’s the missing factor.
( RS) But how... I do not know how
to express it mathematically...
A: Light waves... gravity... electromagnetism...
Q: (L) They are toying with you. [Laughter] (J) What is this,
(RS) I have to think it over. In isogeometry...
A: What role do waves play in third level understanding of physics?
Q: (RS) Transverse oscillation of the ether... the medium that fills
up the entire universe. No wave can exist unless there is a medium
to propagate it. Transverse oscillations fill up the entire
A: Light, gravity, optics, atomic particles, matter, anti- matter...
Q: (RS) That lists everything...
( J) What do they all have in
( RS) Oh!
All of them are vibrations of the medium that fills up the universe!
perceive things, everything, even spaces between things. Reality is
opposite of this. Because light is a wave, like sound. If you remove
sound cannot propagate. Light is the same thing. Light is a wave and
propagate unless there is a medium that fills up the entire
universe. So what
we perceive as being solid and empty is not true perception. The
is filled with the vibration of this medium. So, without the medium,
there would be darkness. So, light is an oscillation of this medium.
A particle is also an oscillation only the wave propagates and the
oscillation stays there. So when I move my hand from here to here, I
have just moved the oscillation. The space is oscillating. We are
completely empty, but space is filled up. So, the answer is that
what they have in common is that they are all oscillations of this
medium that fills up the entire universe as perceived from third
level and I think from fourth.
( L) Maybe they are talking about it
in a spectral sense?
( RS) They could be...
A: Now, what relation between gravity and light?
Q: (RS) I do not know. At this moment in my studies, I do not know.
(L) Maybe that is the key?
( RS) Light can be converted into matter,
therefore there is gravitation.
( L) But, what could the relation
between gravity and light be? [Laura’s Note: What about time? Since,
at the speed of light there is no matter and no gravity and no time,
maybe the three are different ways of describing the same thing?
Maybe time is an electromagnetic, gravity producing phenomenon or
vice versa which has a byproduct: matter???]
A: Access knowledge base and network.
Q: (L) They said discuss it.
( RS) The only connection between light
and gravitation... the photon and the photon produces a pair of
electron and positron, particles and anti-particles, and those
particles have gravitation. So, in this way electromagnetic waves...
a photon can create matter...
( L) And matter has gravity...
( RS) And
matter has gravity, so... it can be converted...
( L) But where does
it come from?
( RS) That is a good question because it isn’t known.
It could come from a vacuum...
( L) But how does it happen?
( RS) In
experiments in the laboratory, you shoot a photon at a nucleus and
the nucleus spits one electron and one positron, and so you have
conversion of photon into particles. Those particles have
gravitation. I do not know if a photon has gravitation. I don’t
think so, it travels at the speed of light. There is no time. Time
( L) Okay, is it true that at the speed of light, there
is no gravity?
( RS) There is no gravity.
( L) Okay, then maybe the
speed of light is the antithesis of gravity just as anti-matter is
the opposite of matter?
( RS) That is a good point. A very good
Q: (J) Is it about balance?
A: All is.
Q: (L) If at the speed of light there is no gravity...
( RS) There is
( L) Then gravity must be...
( J) What keeps us in third
( RS) The clue... But is the missing clue... are we
discussing the missing point to go from the third to the fourth
Q: (RS) Then the point is valid.
( J) Is gravity what keeps us in
(RS) So, then if you go at the speed of light then you are in fourth
A: Now, what is missing factor which allows third density and fourth
matter to achieve light speed without disintegration? Think...
(RS) That is the fundamental question of nuclear physics... matter
cannot reach the speed of light intact...
( J) Anti-gravity?
Even by using anti- gravity. At this moment, matter cannot do
( L) Okay, if you have some matter and this matter is
speeding up, and it is approaching the speed of light and it is
losing its integrity the faster it goes, what if, at some point you
start incrementally adding anti-matter which...
( RS) Use the inverse
process... take an electron and positron and put one inside the
other and recreate the photon. But matter cannot reach the speed of
light... if it does, time stops... there is no dimension...
Maybe it is consciousness?
( J) Awareness?
( RS) If it is awareness,
( L) Can you factor in consciousness mathematically?
(RS) Yes, of course!
A: What is the missing link between matter and consciousness?
Q: (RS) Ah! (L) If we knew these things we wouldn’t be here!
It is supposed to be a field.
( J) Is it EM?
( RS) No, a bioenergetic
(L) What if consciousness creates gravity?
( RS) Gravity is created
(L) But isn’t matter created by consciousness? Don’t we collapse the
( RS) Yes, the mind can create matter...
A: There are no “gravitons.”
Q: (RS) Not to my knowledge. They do not exist. They are in
Einstein’s theory, but I will never believe it... Does our
consciousness create gravity?
A: Getting “warmer.” Not “our.”
Q: (L) Somebody else’s consciousness creates gravity?
( RS) Fourth
A: Level Seven.
Q: (RS) Oh yes! That I can understand! The ultimate level. Is it
true that the universe, as perceived from level three, which is
expected to be made up of equal amounts of matter and anti-matter,
is, in actuality, open? That is, is matter continuously created
somewhere in the universe? Matter and anti-matter?
A: Better word would be: Recycled.
Q: (RS) Is it true that the same recycling occurs in the center of
the earth. There is a theory that the earth is expanding. I heard
this at a congress, that the earth is expanding in diameter
precisely because the center of the earth is in process of the
creation of matter. Is this correct?
A: Off base, but all concepts are valid within unified
Q: (L) I guess that in some alternate universe that may be
happening, it just doesn’t happen to be here.
( RS) My biggest
problem has never been new knowledge, but politics, particularly the
politics on Einstein. Is the can of worms mentioned before, can you
give me anything on this? As soon as you go beyond Einstein, there
are all sorts of problems, political problems in our contemporary
society. Any suggestions?
A: Political problems have root in effort to suppress knowledge
in limited quarters for purposes of control of civilization.
That is the best answer I ever heard. Very, very good.
( T) I have
two questions to ask. About experiments that are pushing the
borderline between third and fourth density... what happens when the
experiment reaches the barrier? What can we expect?
A: Depends on individual circumstances, as we already have told you,
this has already happened many times.
Q: (L) The Philadelphia Experiment, I suppose...
( J) Flight 19...
(T) Okay, those have had negative ramifications. What are the
implications, reaching the densities, without understanding of what
has been done?
A: Already answered.
Q: (L) Yeah, they talked about that. Insanity.
( J) Yes, and the
people who thought they found Flight 19 went nutzoid. When the
researchers reach the barrier, will they recognize that something
Q: (T) When the barriers have been breached so many times, can it be
In other words, can the breaches be repaired?
Q: (L) That’s assuming that they don’t close automatically.
( T) Do
they close automatically once the activity is stopped? No, that’s
too vague. While I was walking around outside smoking my cigar, I
was getting the image that one of the reasons that Roger is here
tonight is to experience this, but also to see and read what we give
you. We are not making this up. It is coming from somewhere. There
is substance to this information. Roger is going to Europe. You have
colleagues in Europe who are working on these very same things. The
Cassiopaeans have indicated that you are on the edge of opening this
barrier. That this can be done, it has been done with disastrous
results the few times that we know of and possibly other times that
we do not know of. What I am getting at is, part of the reason you
are here and seeing this may be because you need to take this
information with you because when they breach these barriers, they
need to understand what they have done. Because, if they don’t there
is a possibility that what is transpiring naturally will be
accelerated. Does artificial breaching of the barrier between the
Q: (T) That may be why when we ask how long this process is going to
oncoming density change, they answer “one month to 18 years.” And we
thinking that maybe they can’t tell how long it is going to take for
transition point, this realm border to come through our section of
space/time and do whatever it does. Maybe what they are referring to
is not that, but what people might do in terms of breaching the
barrier unknowingly. They are stretching what they know, and pushing
onward, but they don’t understand what this is all about.
Q: (T) You just had the survival of the whole of civilization moved
onto your shoulders, Roger! [Laughter] Laura has been sitting here
week after week saying “I don’t want the whole burden of the world
on my shoulders!” Roger, you just got part of it! (RS) Part of it,
yes. I was the technical advisor on the book, “The Andreasson
Affair,” because she made all sorts of drawings of things she saw on
spacecraft. Any comment on the _________ Research Institute in
A: Institute is controlled by Carboni “Foundation,” which is linked
questionable funding sources; no need to be disappointed, however,
as knowledge protects. Therefore one can work in any environment
without corruption when armed with knowledge.
Q: (RS) I don’t understand.
( J) Maybe you need to find out about
( L) I don’t think you need to worry about it.
( RS) What about
( Carla) The board said Carboni...
( RS) Who is the guy we
are talking to on the board?
Q: [Laughter] (RS) Did they say Cardone or Carboni?
A: Carboni Foundation.
Q: (RS) There is no foundation named this! (L) Well, there may be
funding coming from there.
( RS) Not from Carboni...
( Carla) Wait and
[Good night to Carla and Roger]
Discussion: (L) As you demolecularize moving toward the speed of
light, it can be represented as a cone shape. The point of the cone
is the speed of light, a sort of singularity, and as you reach this
point, this is where you apply the remolecularizer, because maybe
you remolecularize as you emerge into an opposite funnel on the
other side. I wonder if the Transdimensional Atomic Remolecularizer
is a device that applies anti-matter in incremental, graduated
doses, for lack of a better word, as you are speeded up? At one end
you have light which has no gravity, no time, no mass. At the other
end we have gravity, time and mass. What is the transition? Of the
three pairs we were given, they each seem to be opposite to each
other: Light and gravity, optics and atomic particles, matter and
( J) It’s all about balance. What is the relation
between gravity and light? What is the missing factor which allows
third density and fourth density matter to achieve light speed
without disintegration? What is the missing link between matter and
( L) What is the missing link? Well, I think the
relationship is right there. What is it that slows down light
causing photons to manifest, collapsing the wave, so to speak, and
( J) It may be that this same factor that allows
third density to achieve light speed without disintegration. What is
the missing link between matter and consciousness?
( L) Well, the
relationship is there. We were told we were getting close when we
said “consciousness” but that it was not our consciousness, but that
of level seven. [Laura’s note: Could electromagnetism be the “field”
of the consciousness of “God” or level seven that crosses all
densities? Cayce once remarked that “God is electricity.” Is there
some range of electromagnetism in the human consciousness that can
be detected, amplified, augmented by controlled electromagnetic
waves?] (J) They said that “creation” was a recycling.
Q: (L) Are you still there?
A: As always, Laura, do you think we go out to lunch or something?
A: You keep asking if we are here?!?
Q: (J) They are always here, in us. We are all interconnected.
We are them, they are us, right here! (L) Okay, guys, we are so glad
you know so much physics. And, since you do, or, since “we” know so
( T) Did you enjoy talking to Roger and would you
like to talk to him again?
A: Yes. Will.
Q: (L) Am I getting warm when I say... we have light and gravity,
optics and atomic particles, matter and anti- matter, all are ways
of talking about a transition... are these three pairs of
Q: (L) What is the thing that collapses the wave function?
Q: (L) Is it consciousness?
Q: (L) There is more. Can this consciousness be expressed...
( T) We
are trying to get from a third density concept to a fourth density
concept where there is no physicality, per se. At fourth density
they don’t have a problem with going at the speed of light and
disintegrating, because it doesn’t exist there...
Q: (T) So, for us to try and think of this in third density...
A: Variable physicality is the key.
Q: (L) What makes the physicality variable?
A: Awareness of link between consciousness and matter.
Q: (L) What is the link between consciousness and matter?
Q: (L) What is the nature of the illusion?
( T) That there isn’t any
connection between consciousness and matter. It is only an illusion
that there is. It is part of the third density...
A: No. Illusion is that there is not.
Q: (L) The illusion is that there is no link between consciousness
Q: (T) The illusion is that there is not a link. In third density...
(L) I got it! (T) Don’t disappear on me now! [Laughter] The
relationship is that consciousness is matter.
A: Close. What about vice versa?
Q: (L) Just reverse everything. Light is gravity. Optics are atomic
particles, matter is anti-matter... just reverse everything to
understand the next level... it can’t be that easy.
( J) Wait a
second: gravity equals light, atomic particles equals optics,
anti-matter equals matter? It is all about balance.
( L) And the
answer must always be zero.
A: And zero is infinity.
Q: (L) So, you are saying that it is not that there is a link, the
illusion is that there is separation. There is no difference, they
are the same?
Q: (T) If you warp space/time you travel by bringing your
destination to you.
( L) Or, you can reverse that and understand that
there is no distance between us and, say, Alpha Centauri, it is the
alteration of perception that turns the axis and creates the
illusion of distance.
A: Now, all you need is the “technology.”
Q: (T) The technology is being developed right now.
( J) The
technology has probably already been developed, it is just
Q: (L) I have a very strange sense that this interaction has
Q: (L) A hint?
A: We could but won’t at this “time.”
Q: (T) Are these major ramifications?
Q: (L) Is there anything further for this evening?
( T) Do we need to
impart anything further to ourselves?
Q: (L) Then we will say thank you and good-night.
A: Good night.
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May 31, 1995
Freddie, Laura, SV
A: Hello. S__ Vitale!
Q: (L) I have been feeling that the group, as a whole, is under
attack. What can we do about it?
A: Will work itself out. Power struggles within groups are quite
level three STS.
Q: (L) Well, I don’t know what they mean by “power struggles.” I
just know that I feel uneasy and a tension in the air. What power is
there to struggle for? We are all just who we are.
( SV) You don’t
need to worry about it and get yourself into a frantic state! (L)
Well, it seems that we are all being confronted with some of the
lines we have drawn in the sands of life and all the things we think
of as “musts” or “shoulds” or “ought tos,” our internal parent self,
so to speak are having to be dealt with. I think that maybe what we
need to look at is that lines don’t need to be drawn. We just all
need to do what is in front of us to be done and not try to control
each other or decide what is best for each other and just be
A: All will settle like sand in a jar of water.
Q: (L) That is interesting. I used the idea of lines in the sand and
the you use the analogy of sand shaken up in water. Is it a good
idea to not print up or send out any more brochures? I was very
upset by the giving out of the information with the names not
altered or deleted.
A: It was not Jan in charge of that.
Q: (L) Who was in charge of that?
A: Open. Do not assume that was a negative decision.
Q: (L) So, this is ultimately beneficial?
Q: (L) So, this was a protective measure or device?
Q: (L) Approximately how long before this tension in the group will
A: Wait and see.
Q: (L) And there is nothing we can do to help?
A: Not issue.
Q: (L) What is the issue?
A: Let it be.
Q: (SV) Quit worrying.
( L) Okay, I will. Next question. Roger
Santilli called me about Reiki for his eyes. He said he was
diagnosed with macular degeneration. Is this the correct diagnosis?
Q: (L) What is the cause of this?
Q: (L) Is there anything that can be done to halt or reverse it?
Q: (SV) Will the Cayce files help in this?
A: Cannot hurt.
Q: (L) Why can you not give us some sort of information to help out
A: Level one karmic situation.
Q: (L) Will Reiki help this?
Q: (L) Is there anything else that you can give us on this?
A: If so, you will discover it an another point in space time.
Q: (L) Michael Lindemann gave a very interesting talk on the subject
of angels. Apparently there are a lot of people seeing and claiming
to interact with angels. Can you tell us about angels?
A: Be specific.
Q: (L) Are there such things as angels?
Q: (L) Are angels as they have been described: very tall, beautiful
beings with wings or whatever?
Q: (L) Who are the angels?
A: Refer to the transcript.
Q: (L) I don’t think we have ever mentioned angels in the
A: Not by name. See the second session. [The Zendar or Zindar
Q: (SV) There is a book out called “Mary’s Message to the World” by
Ann Kirkwood. Is this book a transmission from the Virgin Mary?
Q: (L) Who is this transmission from?
A: Various thought centers.
Q: (L) Why do these thought centers identify themselves as the
A: For purposes of familiarity.
Q: (L) Are these thought centers STS or STO?
A: Open. Discover by studying previously given information. You
the material regularly, not just to familiarize yourselves with
data, but also to learn by piecing together thought pattern
Q: (L) If I remember correctly, there have been numerous
presentations of the Virgin Mary put forward for disinformation
purposes by the STS groups. Is that correct?
Q: (L) Have there also been presentations of the Virgin Mary put
forward by the STO groups?
Q: (L) So, depending upon the results, and the teaching, that would
be what would enable one to determine whether it is STO or STS?
Q: (L) Is there some other measuring stick that we can use to
determine whether teachings are correct or incorrect?
A: Wisdom by way of instincts; all there is is lessons.
Q: (SV) I was thinking about that earlier today. If you are under
attack, how do you know if your instincts are correct?
( L) Are
instincts different from emotions?
Q: (L) How can you tell the difference between instinctive knowledge
and emotional reactions?
A: Emotions involve wishful thinking, instincts are “gut feelings,”
nature, and are stronger. When it is wishful thinking, there is
always psychic instinct seeping through which you can access if you
use reason and examine your lessons of the past.
Q: (L) Well, for example, the lady at the MUFON meeting on Saturday,
her response to Terry’s comments on channeled material as being STS,
was that we were focusing on the darkness, or negativity, and that
people who focus on darkness or negativity experience same. Could
you comment on this please?
A: What do your instincts tell you?
Q: (L) My instincts tell me that she is wanting to believe so
strongly and emotionally, that the aliens who have been abducting
her are good guys, and that somehow she is so laden with an internal
guilt complex that she believes that she deserves that kind of
treatment, and that anything that is to the contrary, she rejects as
wrong and evil.
Q: (L) And, futhermore, it occurred to me that a person who really
focuses on the darkness with the intention of participation is
someone who moves away from the light and goes into the darkness,
whereas someone who focuses on the darkness with the intention of
diminishing it, keeps the light close to their back, and uses it to
energize their own light so that they can illuminate the darkness.
Is that correct?
Q: (L) And, that someone who only looks at light, has their back
turned to the
darkness, not only are they blinded by the light, but they are also
shadow behind them.
A: “The Emperor is wearing new clothes.”
Q: (L) Am I the one who is thinking the Emperor is wearing new
( F) I would think that anyone who is hung up on the idea
that there is nothing but light as long as you are willing to only
see light is believing that the Emperor is wearing new clothes.
Is Freddie correct?
Q: (L) On Saturday I also met Nova Montgomery and her husband. They
wanted us to take the session over to their house because they don’t
smoke and are apparently not willing to submit to our environment.
My instinctive reaction to that was “no, forget it.” Since that
time, I have had other gut reactions to that, that there was some
sort of “power play” going on there.
Q: (L) Would it be alright for us to take the session over to these
A: Up to you.
Q: (L) Well, I don’t want to and Freddie doesn’t want to.
( SV) Well,
all of us smoke. It wouldn’t make sense to go somewhere that we
can’t smoke and be put outside like something dirty.
( L) Yeah! We
couldn’t indulge our nasty habits and be dirty and messy and play!
Nah! Forget that! (L) In my aura photograph, there is a patch of
green on my chest. In Cayce’s book on the subject, he says that
light greens represent falsehood. I am very concerned about this.
A: Worry not.
Q: (SV) Well, in your case, it is a deep green next to a clear
yellow, not a pastel or pale green. Maybe you need to eat more
A: Worry not, you know who and what you are, remember, instinct!!
Q: (L) Well, Freddie had a very beautiful aura. Why are others not
more positive toward this knowledge?
Q: (L) Well, that was pretty plain. What are others jealous of?
A: Power struggle.
Q: (L) Why are people jealous of us and why do they want to try to
A: Fear being left behind.
Q: (L) Well, nobody is going to be left behind unless they make
( SV) Well, I dreamed that we all need to
wash our dirty laundry, so I got up and put a load in! [Laughter]
(L) Was J__ W__ correct that a person can change their aura by just
thinking about it?
Q: (SV) It is what you are! (L) Our ability to see or perceive,
blue, according to some researchers, is very recent. Natives who
live on the Blue Nile describe it as brown, Homer described the
Mediterranean as the “Wine dark sea,” and Aristotle said there were
only three colors in the rainbow: red, yellow and green. Is this
true, that the human race, in general, has only recently become able
to see blue?
Q: (L) Is this a reflection of the spirituality of the color blue?
Q: (L) Obviously there are colors beyond blue, and as we attain
greater spirituality, we will be able to see them as well, is this
Q: (SV) When you look at a rainbow you can see a shimmer or haze on
( L) Could it be that as a result of constant straining
to see at higher frequencies, some people’s eyes suffer?
Q: (L) Could this be a problem with people in spiritual or personal
Q: (L) I have read a number of things recently purportedly channeled
by the “Great White Brotherhood.” I would like to know if there is
such a thing?
Q: (L) There is no “Great White Brotherhood?” (SV) How come Edgar
Cayce talked about it?
A: Not as such.
Q: (L) What is it that they have been calling the “Great White
Q: (L) What is the Great White Brotherhood that Cayce was referring
A: Various STO.
Q: (L) Do they identify themselves as the Great White Brotherhood?
Q: (L) If they are not the “Great White Brotherhood,” what are they?
A: Fourth density STO.
Q: (L) What is their purpose or work?
A: Complex, suggest you wait and see.
Q: (L) Are we going to be contacted by the Great White Brotherhood?
Q: (L) What is the origin of the Anasazi tribe that lived in the
A: Nothing remarkable.
Q: (SV) I have a book on the Brotherhood... I get all kinds of
things in the mail... one is from a guy who is supposed to be an
extraterrestrial... I’ll have to bring it...
( L) What could we use
to represent 7th density as a mathematical symbol?
A: Try this: [draws figure eight on side in ellipse]
Q: (L) When you get to the point of the Big Bang, or mass
disbursement, what mathematical symbol would represent that? Plus,
minus, multiply or divide?
Q: (L) Do you mean none of the above?
Q: (L) What mathematical operation would represent this?
A: You have not yet discovered.
Q: (L) What kind of mathematical operation would take place at the
point of the Big Bang?
A: One continuous cycling.
Q: (L) The transition of seventh density to the density where the
cycling begins is from seventh to sixth or from seventh to first?
Q: (L) Does it go from seventh to all densities simultaneously?
Q: (L) Can this be expressed mathematically?
A: Maybe. Access your own channel.
Q: (L) What is my own channel?
A: You know.
Q: (L) I thought you were my channel?
A: We are group channel.
Q: (L) How can I access my own channel?
A: You have done it numerous times.
Q: (L) Was this what I was doing the other morning after Roger
Santilli was here?
Q: (L) Am I correct when I say gravity is time?
Q: (L) And gravity is the manifestation of time as put into effect
by the limitation of third density consciousness illusion?
Q: (L) Can this be expressed mathematically?
A: Go for it!
Q: (L) Freddie, help me out here! (F) I can’t help you out. You’ve
trail into the woods all by yourself and I don’t know how to find
you. You have
been told you can do it. This is obviously your forte. They told you
to go for
it. What do you want, a shortcut?
( L) I want the formula! (SV) What
the thrill of discovery?
( L) What about the agony of defeat.
The agony of
( L) That’s what you get after shopping all day! [Laughter]
(L) I want
it so bad! I don’t feel capable! (Fred) Of course you are! (SV) If
you can think of the question you can access the answer.
A: Time to say goodnight!
Q: (L) Good night.
End of Session
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June 3, 1995
Freddie, Laura, Terry and Jan, Tom French, Cherie Diez, SV
Q: (T) I’m running on low energy.
( L) Who do we have with us this
Q: (L) And where are you from?
Q: (L) We have guests this evening; this is Tom and Cherie.
A: Hello Tom and Cherie.
Q: (L) Tom has a question.
Q: (TF) What happened to my grandfather’s watch?
A: Which one?
Q: (L) Which grandfather?
( TF) Paternal.
( L) Okay, what happened to
Tom’s paternal grandfather’s gold pocketwatch?
A: Under water.
Q: (T) Under what water?
A: It is clear with some silt or sand.
Q: (TF) What is that?
( L) I don’t think you are going to get a name
because that is an artificial designation.
A: Visual reference. Shines in the sunlight, slipped off when
attention was distracted.
Q: (TF) Did it slip off by itself or did someone take it?
A: Rubbed metal surface.
Q: (TF) Where was my father at the time?
A: At church.
Q: (L) Does that make any sense?
( TF) Well, maybe.
( T) Do you know
where the watch is?
( TF) No.
( SV) Find out where he went to church
and see if there is any water around there.
( L) Maybe his father was
nowhere near at the time.
( TF) My father never went to church; he
was an athiest. Did my father have anything to do with the
Q: (T) Was his father at church? You say his father was at church;
Tom says his father didn’t go to church. Why was his father at
church? A: Not only reason one goes to a church, think!
Q: (J) It might have been a meeting of some kind...
( T) A wedding; a
( TF) You’re right. It’s not that he never set foot inside
( F) He’s not that much of an athiest! (T) Especially
weddings; there’s food after weddings! (TF) Okay, well, one more and
then I’ll be quiet! Was the watch lost or was it taken?
Q: (L) Has this bugged you a long time?
( TF) Not too long. A while.
(L) I have
a question to ask about Tom. Tom had a dream that he shared with me,
think he wouldn’t mind sharing it with the group. Tom?
( TF) In the
dream I am
on an ocean liner. There are other people on board the ship, but I
talking to them. I’m not with my friends or family. I am by myself.
all these people, but I am not with them. It is a long journey. I
and forth on deck. Finally we come to a city, a major city, a
seaport. I get
off the ship; I walk through the city; I walk through the center of
the city to
the outskirts, into the countryside. The countryside is red; reddish
around. The streets are no longer paved; now they are dirt, red
dirt. I come to a big house with a white picket fence under the
shadow of a mountain. I know that I am supposed to be in this house.
I go inside the house, there are other people there. Again, I am not
talking with them when I first get there, and as the days begin to
pass I do begin to talk to them and they begin to talk to me. I
begin to feel better. Suddenly, in the dream, I realize that when I
was first walking through the city toward the house, I was a dog; in
the early days when I had first been in the house, I was being
transformed into a human being, and that all the other people in the
house were once animals; and that that was why we were at the house,
to learn how to become a human being. It had something to do with
the power of the mountain.
( L) Now, the question I have is: is there
some significance to this dream that you can comment on? A: Not of
great significance in a psychic sense, merely a reflection of the
subject’s awareness of metamorphosis within his own life path.
(L) Well, that was Tom’s interpretation and it blew my theory all to
hell! (T) What was your theory?
( L) Well, I was just sure he was an
alien and he came to Earth on this big ship from the Dog Star,
( J) To Georgia!! [Laughter] I liked my interpretation
better! (T) Make for a heck of a book! (SV) She’s been watching too many of those UfO videos!
A: Active imagination!
Q: (L) Well, I got told! Now, our questions. Why did the Incas and
other South American cultures create their cultural environment in
mountainous areas where they were forced to terrace to grow food,
whereas the European culture developed on level terrain, mined in
( T) And a lot of them starved because they didn’t
use the mountains correctly...
A: Mountains were of a different nature in two cases.
Q: (L) So, the
mountainous terrain was more fertile in one area than the other; is
that the point we are getting at here?
Q: (J) That was what I thought.
( T) Did the Europeans try terrace
Q: (L) Why?
( T) Yeah, they built aqueducts, why not terraces?
A: Why should they try something unnecessary?
Q: (T) Why was it unnecessary?
( L) No, we know that. They had plenty
of arable land that was flat. Why was it necessary in South America?
(J) Because they didn’t. They had to use what they had.
Q: (T) Works for me! (L) It was said in a previous transmission that
the area around my house was a “multiple reality station.” Is this
because of our activities, or is this a pre-existing condition of
this house and general location?
A: Two questions.
Q: (L) Is this because of our activities?
Q: (L) Is it also a pre-existing condition of this area?
A: In a roundabout way.
Q: (L) Does this have anything to do with the purported tunnel
beneath the house?
A: Ditto last response.
Q: (L) Okay, you say “in a roundabout way.” What is the roundabout
way? What is the relationship?
A: Crustal energy flow patterns.
Q: (Terrry) What is crustal energy?
Q: (T) Okay, it’s the energy that is flowing through the crust we
are talking about, or the energy the crust is making... we are
talking plate tectonics here?
( J) Yes, plate tectonics?
A: Too many comments.
Q: (T) Are we talking plate tectonics?
Q: (L) Are we talking about electromagnetism?
Q: (T) How close to electromagnetism?
( L) How close can you get?
Q: (L) Okay, is this an energy flow pattern that is significantly
different at this point in space/time as opposed to, say...
( J) Our
house? A: Not correct concept.
Q: (J) It’s not related to space and time?
A: You are getting “colder.”
Q: (L) It is not related to space/time. Is it related to a gridwork
A: Not gridwork, more like “halo.”
Q: (T) A corona?
( L) Like an aura?
( J) Is it like an aura?
Q: (T) The planet’s aura?
A: Variations within flow.
Q: (L) Is this particular location beneficial to my residence here?
Q: (L) Is it particularly beneficial in terms of this kind of work?
A: Can be.
Q: (J) It is obviously not detrimental.
( T) Can it be detrimental?
Q: (L) In what way?
( J) Yes, how is it detrimental?
A: 64000 dollar question!
Q: (T) Now, since we hit the 64,000 dollar question, are you going
to give us the 64,000 dollar answer?
( L) Why could it be
detrimental? Is it because it could be detrimental if a person is
following the STO pathway? A: Maybe.
Q: (L) Could it be detrimental to one following the STS pathway?
Q: (T) Okay, the energy flow pattern can be detrimental or
beneficial. It’s just energy, not positive or negative.
A: This is more complex than your queries allow.
Q: (L) In other words, our questions are not complex enough to get
the answer? A: You are “rushing it” due to company present, now
please relax and just behave as always.
Q: (J) She’s trying to show off! (L) I am not! (SV) That’s what they
That’s not what they said, and I am not the only one asking
( T) Let’s start over with something simple. We are
talking about the aura or something similar. The planet’s aura.
Q: (T) Okay. We are focusing on this site here in relation to the
energy of the planet.
Q: (T) You have indicated that there is some kind of a correlation
between the location and the energy in the planet. The energy in the
planet is all the way around the planet and is affected by the
planet and everything that goes on around the planet, in the planet,
on top of the planet and all over the place. We are one location. As
this energy ebbs and flows along it influences the work we are doing
here. Am I on track here?
Q: (T) Okay. So, the crustal energy flow patterns, if they ebb, we
lose power... we need to draw more power in order to keep the
Q: (T) I don’t even know what I said! (L) Try it this way. We are
talking about an aura. In an aura system in the physical body, it
can sometimes reflect both the spiritual and physical state of the
person. Is this location similar to a chakra?
A: If you prefer or other.
Q: (L) Similar to a chakra?
A: These ar all merely labels.
Q: (L) Okay, so it is like an energy vortex?
Q: (L) An energy vortex in the body, a chakra in the body, is a
place where the body energy interfaces with the universe. Tell us
about chakras, Susan.
( SV) There are all different kinds. There are
the seven major chakras, the ones in the palms, almost every joint
in the body has a chakra...
( T) What do they do?
( L) An interface
( SV) Yes.
( L) Is this what we are talking about here? An interface between this density and other densities?
A: First of all, “chakras” are a little understood and nonproven
phenomenon. Now, it just so happens they do exist, but in different
form than reported by many in the so called “psychic” community. So
you see, you have opened yet another “can of worms.”
Q: (L) Well, Worms Are Us! I knew that question would last all
night! Why did I ask it?
( SV) Well, let’s go for it! (L) Okay, first
( T) Worm One...
( J) Worm One...
( L) ...what, exactly, is a
A: An energy field that merges density one, two, three or four with
Q: (T) A focus point that merges densities to fifth density
Q: (T) What purpose do we merge to the contemplation level through
A: You are all connected with level five on a short wave cycle,
Q: (L) Does each chakra relate to a color as we have been told?
A: In a sense, but not primary issue.
Q: (L) What is the primary issue?
A: The connection with physical imprint locator.
Q: (L) So, that has to do with this area right here? Are we back to
A: On a physical body, density levels one through four.
Q: (L) So,
we are sitting in the middle of a giant chakra, the navel of the
world! (J) Better than the armpit of the world.
A: What are you speaking of?
Q: (T) Tallahassee, the armpit of the world! (L) I was just joking,
we are not in the navel of the world. We are in a chakra...
( T) In
order to be at this location...
( L) ...is that it?
A: You are drifting an there is much too much thought fragmentation
Q: (L) Okay.
( J) I am wondering if it is related to the
( L) Let’s take a break.
Q: (L) We have a real serious dude tonight. He’s not letting us
play! (SV) I wonder if there are seven major chakras in the same
place as described by others.
( L) Okay, we’re back.
Q: (L) Well, we really didn’t leave, you know.
( J) Yeah, we went for
a walk! (L) Susan wants to know if there are seven major chakras
related to the physical body as has been taught by many sources?
A: It varies according to individuals.
Q: (SV) You mean some people have more chakras than others?
A: Name a “chakra.”
Q: (L) Is there a base chakra, the root chakra?
A: We asked you to name one.
Q: (L) Well, we named one.
( SV) There’s the heart chakra, the third
eye, I don’t know the Hindu names for them...
( L) Name a person? A:
Q: (SV) The lady who wrote “Hands of Light” said that when she does
healings, spirit guides...
A: What happens to those who have major body parts missing?
Oooh! (SV) But the etheric field is still there! They have proven
that with Kirlian photography...
A: Is that the same thing?
Q: (L) Well, is that which is photographed by Kirlian photography
the same thing
that makes up the chakras?
( SV) Well, you would have the seven major
you can’t live without a head and torso...
( L) What happens when you
organs, the glands related to the chakras, taken out. Women have
hysterectomies all the time...
A: Good question!
Q: (SV) But the energy’s still there even though the body parts are
That’s what I have been taught.
A: Who says?
Q: (SV) Do you want to know the names of my instructors? A: All we
are trying to point out to you, is that you are delving into an area
where purported fact is not proven, and the entire subject is only
slightly understood at your level. It is better to get facts before
proclaiming knowledge, lest you make serious mistakes!
Q: (SV) But what about what Barbara Marciniak said about the
chakras... she talked about 12 chakras, seven internal and five
external? Was Barbara onto something?
Q: (T) It was not what Barbara was onto, it was the information she
was being given.
( L) Was the information Barbara was given as far as
the chakras, correct as far as it went?
Q: (L) Well, there’s a clue.
( T) It better be, we gave it to her.
( T) If they said no...
( J) ...we are in a lot of trouble.
We had better find something else to do on Saturday night.
( L) We
could bowl. Canasta, anyone? This would make a great card table.
( L) I don’t know how everyone else feels about it, but maybe
we should just
read Marciniak on this one for now and drop the
( T) They have been saying that the chakras as they have
been taught may not be entirely accurate. The information about
these energy points is that they do not exist as they have been laid
out by others, but that they exist in different people in different
places because of the way the energy flows in each individual. They
don’t always exist in the same place just as the energy vortexes on
the planet fluctuate and change. So, within the person the energy
changes and fluctuates...
( J) Do the chakras move around?
Q: (T) Do different people have different numbers of chakras?
Q: (T) So, the whole idea of chakra work, not to take anything away
from what Susan has been doing, is very much incorrect as it is laid
out? A: Maybe.
Q: (SV) Okay, if you sensitize your hands, could you pick up on this
energy on the body? Could you detect the chakras?
Q: (T) Will Reiki allow you to find the chakras as they move about?
Q: (SV) What about Therapeutic Touch?
Q: (SV) I guess maybe I had better find out.
( L) How does all of
this relate to this house and what we are doing here?
( T) We are
working on a larger scale now.
( L) Does this house have something to
do with connecting up chakras in our bodies?
A: You are drifting again.
Q: (T) Is it that this energy will move just like the energy in a
body will move. We are working at this point because, at this time,
this is where the localized energy is in this area, but that this is
going to be moving? A: Again, you have touched upon a group of
subjects that require massive study to accurately explain.
Q: (J) Does this mean that we have to study and learn more before we
can even discuss this with you?
Q: (SV) Would Edgar Cayce’s material be a good place to start?
A: This is a good place to start, but it will take much “time” and
Q: (L) Are you suggesting that perhaps this is a subject
that we don’t need to go into?
A: Up to you.
Q: (J) At this point, we don’t have enough understanding.
( T) Is it
something important that we should be looking into?
Q: (L) Let’s go onto something else that is more simple. The other
night the children saw some lights in the sky. I went out to see
what they were talking about and at that point there were no moving
lights, but there was a single, pulsating, red light about ten
degrees to the right of Jupiter. My initial reaction to it was that
it was atmospheric twinkle of a large red star or the planet Mars.
There was nothing there the following night. What was it the
A: Children saw planes and a helicopter.
Q: (L) Well, what was it I saw when I saw this red, pulsating light
which did not move for quite some time?
Q: (L) It was not Mars because it wasn’t there the next night.
Q: (T) Yeah, there were clouds on Mars that night.
( J) Well, lets
Well, I thought it was Mars.
( J) You were right.
A: You were right.
Q: (J) That’s what I just said.
( L) Now, we want to know if there is
any correlation between movement of UFOs and weather patterns...
Q: (L) Okay, can UFOs not fly during thunderstorms, or electrical
Q: (L) Okay, they can fly during thunderstorms?
A: Yes. But “fly” is improper term.
Q: (L) Okay, what do they do during thunderstorms if they don’t fly?
(J) They bob and weave! (SV) They are projections, aren’t they?
Yeah, I don’t think they are actually here, down in the atmosphere,
anyway. A: Operate.
Q: (T) Well, the real question is: does the thunderstorm interfere
in the EM flow between densities?
Q: (L) Can thunderstorms interfere with their projection ability?
Q: (L) Do thunderstorms or electrical activity inhibit them?
Q: (T) Is the fact that there are very few abduction cases, at least
I read about, and I’ve read quite a few of them, during
thunderstorms, have to do with the thunderstorm interfering with the
EM, so that the abduction would be much harder to do, therefore they
don’t bother doing it?
Q: (T) Can abductions take place during thunderstorms?
Q: (L) Is there a possibility that thunderstorms possibly enhance
Q: (T) So third density EM disturbances don’t disturb fourth
Q: (J) Can they control it.
( T) Well, I haven’t read very many
things about abductions during storms.
( L) Well, I have read about a
few, enough to break it as a rule.
( T) Is there some reason that it
isn’t happening as often during thunderstorms?
( J) They don’t want
to get wet.
A: Can you drive a car during the rain?
Q: (J) Yes, but if it is raining really hard, you avoid it.
( L) Is
there any particular reason why more abductions and UFO sightings
occur at night? A: Not correct.
Q: (L) So, you mean there is as much activity in the daytime as
there is at night?
Q: (L) Well, that blew that theory. Is it true that the vastness of
space is an illusion of our units of space time?
A: Too complex for simple response.
Q: (L) Oh dear.
( J) We’re just way over our heads tonight, aren’t
( L) Well, let’s try this one...
A: Trying too hard to carve impression.
Q: (L) Not really. We want to ask these questions...
A: Yes, really!
Q: (T) Do you have anything to impart to us?
( L) Yes, you have the
Or the table...
( J) Or the walls, or the ceiling...
A: Just ask more simple answers instead of trying to solve major
riddles in one session.
Q: (T) Here’s an easy one: is the EM wave still circling the Earth?
Q: (L) I don’t want to ask simple questions.
( J) Is this affecting
the recent tropical storm?
( T) Yeah, is the EM wave part of the
reason for the storm out here in the Gulf?
Q: (L) I don’t think I have any simple questions...
( J) What are the
A: Window to this dimension leaves static.
Q: (T) Is there a window to this dimension...
( L) In Marfa?
A: Many windows on Earth.
Q: (J) Is there any correlation between the Marfa lights and the
proximity to Carlsbad caverns?
A: Try getting up close to Marfa lights!
Q: (J) Yeah, I know, you can’t. As soon as you walk up close, they
(L) How do they know you are walking up to them?
A: Not proper concept.
Q: (L) What is the proper concept?
( T) What happens if you get close
A: They appear at other location.
Q: (J) Does the EM from your body repel the light?
A: It is visual reality representation only.
Q: (J) So, they are not really there, you just think you see them?
Q: (T) How close do you have to get to them for something to happen?
Q: (T) You don’t have to get close to them? Well, you don’t have to
get close to them, they’re just a residue.
( J) Are they a refraction
of something that is going on someplace else?
( T) How far...
Q: (T) They are a refraction of something that is going on someplace
( L) So, when you get close, you can no longer see them
( J) ...the angle is wrong. Where are they actually
happening, if not there?
A: Somewhere else from viewer.
Q: (J) Thanks! We got that.
( T) On the surface or underground?
A: Review two answers past.
Q: (J) Are you referring to the visual reality representation?
Q: (J) So, they don’t really exist in third density?
Q: (J) Are they like a bleed through?
Q: (T) But the event is not happening where you see the lights...
where the observer sees the lights?
A: Terry, pay attention!
Q: (J) He’s tired tonight.
( L) Okay. Let’s ditch that one, then.
Now, the general scientific opinion is that the major dying of
dinosaurs occurred 65 million years ago. You have given us the
figure 27 million years ago. Can you explain the discrepancy?
A: Radio carbon dating is not exact science.
Q: (J) They have said that before.
( L) So, you are going to stick
with your 27 million?
Q: (L) We must have somebody who is really on the outer fringes
here! (J) Yeah, lighten up!
A: Same could be said for all present!
Q: (J) Same to you, fella! (L) Let’s see if I have another fairly
simple question here...
( J) Don’t mean to be testy tonight...
Blame it on the weather.
( L) I want to ask my TDARM questions
because poor old Roger really stirred my brain...
( F) Did he give
you those questions?
( L) No, but my brain was stimulated and I
thought of them and if we could get some answers, it might help his
theory a lot. Well, we will ditch them. Maybe Tom and Cherie have
another question... © When are we going to finish this project?
Question should be “if,” not when.
Q: (TF) Oh great! Thanks, Cherie! I’m going to have this hanging
over me now!
A: Seems to be struggle within organization!
Q: (L) Is there? Are you getting a hassle about it?
( TF) Not from
the people that count. But, it’s a political organization like any
other. [Laughter] She can do this because she doesn’t have to write
this thing! (L) Is there anything you can tell Tom to help make it
A: Tom’s future lies in independent career.
Q: [Laughter] (J) Just what he wanted to hear! (TF) I may be fired!
(L) No, I don’t think that’s what it means!
Q: (L) See, you’re not going to be fired!
A: Writing is your “calling” but as author, not journalist, your
publication has so far survived being absorbed by the Consortium,
but only barely, and that may not be true in the near future!
Q: (L) You do know what the consortium is?
( TF) Are they referring
to Robert Bass?
A: This is but one portal.
Q: (L) I guess that means they can get in that way or another way.
A: You would not appreciate the changing atmosphere that would
accompany a “buy
Q: [Laughter] (TF) That is an understatement.
( J) That means that
this project would be their property and you wouldn’t be able to use
A: There is much more to the puzzle than what appears on the
Q: (TF) See what you started with your question! (T) It’s all your
fault, Cherie! (C) I didn’t even ask about the photos! (T) That’s
Pulitzer stuff, there!
A: Photos can “disappear!”
Q: (J) Oh great! Oh great! (T) We are moving into the warning stuff,
A: Do you remember the curriculum at journalism school, Tom?
Q: (L) I’m sure he does! What’s the point?
A: Question is for Tom.
Q: (TF) Sure, why?
A: Do you suppose there may have been any propaganda?
Q: (TF) I guess that depends on whose point of view.
( T) That’s
Q: (J) Yeah, what was your point of view?
( TF) This is not
facetious, but the
only propaganda I remember was IU basketball! [Laughter]
A: Not being aware is a symptom of successful methodology... beware!
Q: (L) I guess that not being aware that you are being propagandized
symptom of good propaganda! (TF) Yeah, that would be great
propaganda! (L) So, what’s your point here?
A: You will soon become disillusioned by events soon to take place.
good, because it will represent an awakening on your part, as you
are a genuine and good hearted and honest soul.
Q: (J) That’s nice! (TF) Whose class had propaganda?
A: Not point, was not class, was general direction of program, which
symptomatic of a much bigger issue.
Q: (C) What events are soon to take place?
A: Take over of employer is imminent!
Q: (T) Whose taking over?
( L) They said the Consortium.
( T) Are we
about the overall, total media?
( J) Is it just the St. Pete Times
( T) ...that one they haven’t got hold of yet...
( L) Publish in a
Q: (J) Yes, what?
( T) Either publish in a hurry or go for the book
( TF) Don’t say that in front of Cherie! (T) Her pictures
can go in your book.
( TF) Don’t say that in front of Cherie!
[Laughter] You can’t publish color if it’s in a book.
( C) If they are
in a book they are bad reproductions.
( T) Sorry...
A: Your instincts as a reporter are to uncover hidden truths, but
you have been trained to uncover only some types of “truth,” and not
Q: (TF) I want to ask one more question about the watch. Which state
Union is the body of water located where the watch is?
A: Do not know, as we access visual reference only, and cannot
artificially designated borders in this instance. If watch were lost
next to road sign, for example, it might be different!
Q: (TF) Is the area around the body of water flat or mountainous?
A: Appears to be “broken.”
Q: (L) The area appears to be broken?
Q: (L) Rough terrain?
( TF) Why was my father in church?
Q: (TF) Was it a ceremony involving one of his children?
Q: (T) Maybe is a better answer than “open.” (L) Jan, tell Tom about
Margaret Stimmick thing.
( J) God, I can’t believe you remembered
that name! (L) I remember everything I type after I type it! (J)
That’s amazing. Yeah, I had a little thing that I wanted the
Cassiopaeans to answer for me, and they had a real hard time
visualizing it for me... they just kind of focus in on...
( L) No,
they visualized it extremely well; they saw you in a basement with
your friends with candles and they described it as some sort of
ritual activity. Jan wanted them to tell what she was doing...
Actually, I wanted them to repeat a phrase... we were doing, I
guess, some sort of black magic, trying to put the whammy on a
biology teacher that nobody liked... [Laughter] (L) Jan has a
( T) The thing is, with the channel, they see what we see,
they know what we know... what’s in your mind and subconscious...
(L) ...or what you saw...
( T) Anything that is not within the
channel itself, they cannot pick up...
( L) Oh, no! They have come
through with tons of stuff that’s not in this room or in anybody’s
mind in here! (TF) If they only know what’s in ya’ll’s mind, how can
you ask questions about Jesus... how could that be within...
( L) I
think what they do is focus on a point in space/time that they
access like a computer, but that all of the artificial constructions
that we have created to separate and define are like Greek to them.
(J) Well, time is definitely something that man has created because
we live on a planet that has days and nights and the passage of
seasons. If we lived on a planet that did not have days and nights
and passing seasons, we would not have the concept of time.
( F) Or,
if you were floating around in space...
( J) ...then you wouldn’t
have up or down either...
( L) The other night I was looking for a
bottle of ear drops. We asked the Cassiopaeans where they were. They
said: in the bedroom, drawer, white cloth and symbols. Well, I found
them in a make-up bag on top of the drawer, the bag being lined with
white cloth. And, what is make-up but “symbols?” (F) That’s
interesting because I had forgotten about that.
( L) Yes, it is
strange what is accessed and how it is represented. Tom, do you
think there are going to be changes at the Times?
( TF) No.
( L) Well,
you might want to consider getting this thing finished as soon as
A: Will be a “take-over,” count on it!
Q: (TF) I guess there could be different kinds of take-overs.
could be just a change in management.
( L) Okay, Cherie, do you have
questions? [Laughter] (C) I’m thinking.
( L) Now that you opened that
( J) Worms are Us! (TF) I didn’t mean to monopolize this
( J) You didn’t. Don’t worry about it! (T) Not at all!
(Lewis) [just coming in the room] What was the question and what was
( L) It was a whole series of them. Cherie asked a
question that opened a whole can of worms.
( TF) Bottom line is: I
have to write quickly! (L) Yes, worms came squirming out all over
( J) Changes, take-overs... change of atmosphere...
What would you do if that happened?
( TF) I don’t know... you just
have to roll with the punches.
( L) Okay, they don’t want me to ask
any of my time travel questions...
( T) I am at zero energy level
( L) That must be what our problem is. Terry is over there
zoning out on us.
( TF) What do you mean “what your problem is?” (L)
Well, when any one of us has low energy, it limits the reception.
(J) Why is Terry’s energy is so low tonight?
A: Has virus.
Q: (SV) Don’t breathe this way! (T) Ebola is here! (L) I was curious
about the kami kaze virus I had the other day. It made me think
about virii in general. Since virii don’t have DNA, is it possible
that they could be used to modify DNA?
Q: (J) Well, that’s good.
( TF) They don’t have DNA? Do they have
( L) Well, they are missing one or the other...
( J) They are cellular
( SV) Are you going to ask more about the tunnels?
Were there any ramifications to this virus not apparent on the
Q: (L) Okay.
( J) When I got home from work the other day. I realized
that I was hungry and suddenly I got the shakes and I was real
dizzy. I rushed in and made myself a peanut butter and jelly
sandwich and drank a glass of milk and it seemed to calm me down.
Was this because I had not eaten?
A: Low blood sugar.
Q: (J) Is that indicative of a condition that I have now?
Q: (L) Does that mean she has a. hypoglycemia or b. hyperinsulinism?
A: No, no.
Q: (L) Neither. Was it just a momentary low blood sugar condition
from working too long without eating?
Q: (J) I physically had the shakes and I was dizzy and nauseous.
(TF) What was the mmm sound in my father’s dreams?
( L) You’re big
into dreams, huh?
( TF) It’s a family thing!
A: Was accessing sound waves in alpha state not normally audible.
Q: (TF) Why did he find the dreams so threatening?
A: His interpretation.
Q: (L) Maybe it was something he didn’t understand and it scared
( TF) Was it related to Germany?
Q: (TF) He had a series of dreams one summer, 1943, and it was
interesting because his father, the dream analyst, could help him
( F) Was his father a dream analyst?
( TF) Right. The same
one that lost the watch.
( L) Was there some kind of antagonism
( TF) Well, he was a Freudian dream analyst, so, yes!
[Laughter] Nothing more than the normal father-son stuff.
( L) Is
there such a thing as normal father-son stuff?
( SV) I doubt it.
( L) Nothing on this planet is normal, or so it would
unless somebody has a real outstanding question they just have to
ask, I think
we should shut down for the night.
End of Session
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