April 29, 1995
Freddie, Laura, Terry and Jan
Q: (L) Hello. Good evening.
A: Hello, good evening!
Q: (L) Who do we have with us?
Q: (L) And where are you from, Toria?
Q: (L) Well, we were a little late getting started tonight and I
expect you have been waiting. The energy has been generating in the
A: Terry, was it October, 1964?
Q: (L) To what does this question refer?
A: Ask Terry! Lake, yellow brick and brown brick buildings, cool
large cobalt colored cylinder, oscillating...
Q: (T) I would have been 14.
( L) I bet they are talking about an
( T) I was a freshman... my father’s cousin had a place
at Kuka lake and we used to go there and visit all the time...
fences? I don’t remember anything. I’m sorry. I’m drawing a blank.
A: Images we see...
Q: (L) Do these images relate to an event that occurred in Terry’s
A: Ask... Now we see victorian houses, green gabled roof... field...
Q: (L) Is this significant? We have a number of questions to get
A: Just “go with the flow.” Directing “traffic” may restrict...
Q: (L) I want to know why my arm is hurting so bad right this
A: Mental concentration on same.
Q: (J) Stop thinking about it.
( Susan) Don’t dwell on it.
A: Think about mayo instead.
Q: (T) Mayo clinic.
( J) Mayonnaise?
Q: (T) Is the cortisone helping at all?
(L) It’s not my left
shoulder that’s hurting, it’s my right!
(J) Think about Mayo
(L) Maybe it’s Terry who should think about Mayo?
A: No. Laura.
Q: (T) October?
A: We asked you.
Q: (T) Were there other people who saw this also?
Q: (T) My mother?
A: Mother, brother.
Q: (T) Were there any neighbors who saw this?
Q: (T) Did my father see it?
Q: (T) Dark blue?
(J) Cobalt blue.
( T) Dark blue, almost a black
Cobalt is a bright blue.
A: Cobalt is metallic navy blue.
Q: (T) Well, Glenn wasn’t home...
A: Another locus.
Q: (T) I know what you are talking about! Yes, I did see something.
I don’t know if it was in October of 1964, but I remember seeing it!
A: Okay, now we are getting somewhere... what do you think happened
to you that
Q: (T) I don’t remember anything happening other than that I saw the
object; it came floating over the house and then floated off in the
other direction. I don’t remember anything else happening. I stood
outside watched it come, watched it go; and I stood outside and
watched it for quite some time.
A: Neighborhood, what appearance?
Q: (T) It looked just like the neighborhood. It didn’t seem any
different. I don’t remember...
Q: (T) There was a fifties development out on the edge of the city
limits of Rochester, surrounded by most of Kodak, out in that area,
most of Rochester, across the street was a field with a schoolyard
surrounded by a fence. A large, two-story brown school building,
brown, or red brick... that I went to grammar school in. I don’t
know about yellow brick buildings, but our house was green at the
time and the next door neighbor’s house was yellow at the time with
white fancy little trim stuff across the roof.
( L) Victorian.
( T) It
wasn’t gabled, but it looked gabled. There were little gables over
the front doors of most of the houses. The doors came out to the
front and there was a little peak.
( J) Almost like a little porch...
(Terry to Jan) You were in the house, you saw what it looked like?
( T) There was a stadium on the other side of the school
yard, a ways back for Aquinas football games, their stadium. Some
fields and one of the last remaining wooded areas that was in the
city limits that wasn’t a park down the street... a set of railroad
tracks about five blocks to the East. The lake, lake Ontario,
Rochester is right up against it, we were about seven miles, eight
miles from there, maybe ten, I used to ride up there on my bike and
back... the neighborhood itself didn’t look any different because I
watched the thing come in over the field. I remember my mother, I
don’t know if my brother was there, but I remember my mother and my
neighbor. The neighbor woman was standing out on the front walk
talking and they called me because I was in the house watching tv. I
don’t know if it was October though because it was still warm,
sunny. It came in from high over the West, over a field, by the
stadium, came down toward us, came right toward us. I thought it was
moving right at us. It didn’t start moving right at us until we were
looking at it...
Q: (T) Yes. Was moving toward us. It seemed to change direction when
I came out and started looking at it. It went right over and...
A: Objective was you.
Q: (T) The objective was me? I don’t think I was picked up at that
A: Oh yeah?
Q: (T) Well there were people standing there...
( L) Doesn’t matter.
A: Time “freezes” during abduction.
Q: (T) The object had the distinctive falling leaf motion to it
which I thought
was an extremely odd thing for it to do. It came right over the edge
house on the side of the house, where, sometime in the future, I had
that thing happen to me when I was in the basement. It was right
over where I would have been sleeping...
Q: (T) I thought it sure looked metallic and I wished I had a little
pellet gun and could pop a pellet at it; it wasn’t more than about
50 feet up in the air. It was maybe 10 to 15 feet long and maybe
about 3 or 4 feet around. It looked like _____ rounded on both ends
but not as fat; it was longer and thinner.
( F) It looked like a
(T) It looked metallic to me. It was smooth, perfectly
( L) What are we getting to here? This was obviously brought
up for a reason. If Terry was abducted...
Q: (L) It was a crossroads in Terry’s life?
A: And now... connection completed.
Q: (T) I’m not following this...
A: Access your recent dreams.
Q: (L) That was a crossroads then and that connection is completed
( T) Recent dreams... I dreamed something about moving into a
building and I had something that had a power cord or something that
went outside... a connection of some kind...
( L) Is this the dream
we are talking about here?
A: Ask Terry.
Q: (T) I don’t remember them... they are just very vivid. Could
something have happened to me just recently that started with that
Q: (T) It has to do with what we are doing here, but this isn’t the
completed connection we are talking about?
A: Not exactly.
Q: (T) The connection that was completed was all about something
Q: (T) Did something happen to me just recently?
Q: (T) Something I am not aware of?
Q: (T) Does it have to do with my job?
A: In part.
Q: (T) Does it have to do with the fact that I am saying certain
things to people at work, or wherever I can, when I talk about
events that are happening these days and trying to raise their level
of thinking on these things?
A: Yes, now, let’s explore your friends and relationships and
experiences in the
years immediately following the event to see if we can “dig up”
something of startling significance!!!
Q: (T) Are we sure this is 1964 and not 1974?
A: Terry, you know better!
Q: (T) I’m just asking because that event and the event that
happened in winter with the voices outside the window and all the
weirdness that happened that night seemed to be a lot closer
together and that other event happened in the 70s, sometime. That
was somewhere close to my trip out to Arizona and the weirdness out
there with the car and all that.
( L) Is that what you guys are
talking about, the trip to Arizona and the voices and all that?
A: Oh, there is sooooo much, isn’t there Terry! It is time to
Q: (L) Okay, Terry, we’re waiting. What happened in the year 1964
and the year
(T) In the year following I was 15.
( L) Who were your
what kind of relationships did you have? What were you doing?
(Susan) How did
you feel about everybody after this event?
(T) In a way, but it was
immediate. After high school. But, in those days I was mainly
hanging out with
some people I met over at Edison. Tom ___, a lot of people named
Tom. I used to
go to the lake and take drives around it at night. We just used up
gas. I felt
comfortable because I did a lot of things but most of the people I
get along with each other. I still do this today, I have learned
experience that I can’t mix my friends. I learned at that time that
person in any group that had a counterpart in any other group.
Groups may be
different, but they all have the same make-up, and I was always “my”
person in each of a number of groups. There was nobody in any of the
groups I hung out with that was like me; I was that individual for
( L) Is this the issue here?
Q: (T) Does it have to do with when I got my driver’s license and we
all used to drive around a lot out in the country? We drove all
through the lakes area...
Q: (T) We used to drive all through the hills out there at night...
(L) Did something happen on one of these drives?
A: Maybe 0...
Q: (T) Maybe nothing.
( L) What is the objective of this particular
(T) Does this have something to do with that bizarre town I
came across one night and never was able to find again? Is that tied
in here somehow?
Q: (T) Strangest town I have ever seen. Talk about David Lynch! (J)
( T) I was driving down through southwest New York one
night. I was out of high school. I used to get stoned then too, so a
lot of my experiences aren’t dependable because I got stoned. I went
through a town one night down there in the Southern Tier, in the
fingerlakes area, and it was the strangest thing. I have been
through all these little towns, and there’s usually people and
stuff. Not a lot, but at least somebody around. It was about nine or
ten o’clock, and I went through this town; it was two story
buildings built right up to this 2 lane main street, with a little
narrow sidewalk, and it was like driving into a canyon, and the
buildings went straight up into the air. There was a street light
every so far, but they were those little yellowish bulbs that don’t
cast much light on the street. There was absolutely nobody out
there. There was nobody in any of the buildings, they were all
boarded up and shut down. It looked like a town but it didn’t look
like a town. It went about four blocks. I came back out of it,
turned around and drove through it again because I didn’t believe
it. I could never find it again, and I didn’t know the name of it.
Q: (Susan) It was the Twilight Zone...
( T) Was this town...
Q: (L) You drove into another reality.
( T) It wasn’t really a town,
Q: (T) It gave me the willies. And, I turned around and drove
through it a second time because I didn’t believe it was there.
(Susan) Were you by yourself?
(T) Yes, I was all alone. There was
nobody out there. One signal light that looked like it was out of
the 1920s; old street lamps... like a ghost town, literally.
What are you guys trying to tell us here about Terry, through Terry?
We are big kids now, we can take it.
A: Not the issue.
Q: (L) What is the issue?
A: Learning increases power.
Q: (L) Okay, what are we trying to learn here in this walk down
A: How many times do you learn when led by the hand, network! [Break
Q: (L) Are we getting anywhere?
A: It’s all interrelated.
Q: (L) It is interrelated with what. What event that just
occurred... has it been our period of attack?
Q: (L) The event that just occurred is private to Terry and happened
in his life only?
Q: (T) Each of my relationships was with an individual who thought
for themselves, they understood things, they had their own
experiences that were different from most people, and knew that most
people could not relate or understand. It doesn’t have to be
abduction experiences, but they have had life experiences...
A: Yes, but that is the sign of something more significant.
Q: (L) So, in other words, the fact that Terry...
( T) Is it that
these relationships formed and shaped who I am today because these
people and I shared these different things with each other?
Q: (L) No, I think it is the fact that you were able to form
friendships with these people of all different kinds, that that was
the sign of something significant. The thing that flashed through my
mind is: are you a messenger, are you a catalyst?
Q: (L) Did he have something or did he do something in his
interactions with these people that caused...
Q: (L) Did any of them do something where he was concerned?
Q: (T) Is it the fact that I am able to form relationships with
vastly different types of individuals?
A: All originate from same “plane.”
Q: (L) In other words, he formed relationships with others like
himself? And, did they all originate from the same plane, as in
Q: (L) Well, we are getting somewhere. And was this ship that he saw
from that plane or place of origin?
Q: (L) Did this ship have a lot to do with interacting with all of
these other people that Terry formed friendships and relationships
with subsequent to this time?
A: Yes, but not central issue.
Q: (L) The central issue is that Terry and all of these other people
that he formed relationships with...
( T) Do we all share a common
Q: (L) Do they all share a common origin?
Q: (L) And what is that origin?
Q: (L) Neormm?
A: Closest English equivalent.
Q: (L) Is that a place?
Q: (L) Where is it?
A: Check star guides.
Q: (T) Is this a star? All of us are from another star that I’ve
formed relationships like that; the special ones that I would
A: In perpendicular reality.
Q: (T) Am I the Orion we are looking for?
Q: (L) Is Jan one of these too?
Q: (L) Jan! (J) What?
(L) Why not?
(J) I don’t know! (T) I’m
What is the significance of my relationship with Terry, then?
Q: (T) It’s an open relationship! (J) No it’s not. It’s a marriage.
Sorry! (T) You’re the one who wanted it! We were fine for 27
( F) Was it that long?
(T) No, it only felt that way.
Alright! Where are we now? We have discovered that Terry has a
perpendicular reality that has been running through his life and
probably is an ongoing thing, is this correct?
Q: (T) What is a perpendicular reality?
(L) It’s a perpendicular
reality! (T) Oh, well, thank you! That explains it all.
( L) Well,
you have side by side alternate realities, this one goes this way
[gestures up and down]
A: Intersection is at realm border.
Q: (L) So, in other words, you could follow along in your mind to
the realm border because you have an intersecting reality with it.
Is that correct?
Q: (L) Well, I tried.
( T) It sounded good to me. I have an escape
A: They merge.
Q: (L) Okay, we have discovered the significance of the fact that
Terry is part alien with a perpendicular alien reality that causes
him to interact with other people who also have these perpendicular
realities. What’s the point? [Laughter] (Susan) Something to do! (J)
It’s a hobby.
A: “Point” is 3rd density concept, and you need “refresher” course!
Q: (T) Remedial Cassiopaean.
( L) Well, I am just trying to
understand what this whole thing is all about. What are we getting
A: Then learn from what we communicate to you and what you already
up” inside of you i.e. time to get the key!
Q: (L) Do we have to look at our own stuff this way?
(J) Does this
have anything to do with the fact that Laura just spent the past day
and a half...
A: Please stop trying to “push” us this way and that, and just learn
Q: (L) What I think is, maybe everybody does this, right now on the
planet. There are always different groups that are forming
connections with other people with whom they share an alternate
( J) In other words, we are all being attracted to each
(F) Right. That makes sense.
( L) In which case, what
alternate reality do we share or do we share no alternate reality
and are each representatives of an alternate reality different from
each other and are a connection point?
A: Latter concept is exactly correct!
Q: (T) We are what is common to each other in our group?
A: What did we say about increasing power?
Q: (L) So, in other words, each one of us is connected to our own
reality and groups of our own realities and...
A: Read back now Jan.
Q: (L) I have heard the concept, written or talked about, that
certain people, or perhaps everybody, have locked up inside
themselves pockets of energy or knowledge as in electromagnetic
patterning in their fields...
A: Like putting together the pieces of the puzzle.
Q: (L) We are the pieces of the puzzle?
(J) Yeah, we’ve known that.
A: Draw on a piece of paper one perpendicular intersection.
Q: [We get paper and draw figure.] (L) Like that?
A: No, make it like an upside down “T”
Q: (L) Okay, this is it. [Draws figure] Now...
A: Use next page, and this time draw it near but not at lower left
Q: (L) Is that okay?
A: That is at llc. Too close.
Q: [We try again.]
A: Make it much smaller.
Q: [We try again] (L) Is that okay?
A: Close to center.
Q: [We try again.] (L) Is that better?
A: Now, connect to another.
Q: (T) Above it or below it?
A: Make it slightly different angle.
Q: [We try.] (L) Like that?
A: Try again.
Q: [Terry tries] (T) I think I am getting what they want.
( L) Is
Q: [Terry tries again]
A: Connect bases.
Q: [Terry tries again] (L) Why don’t you just draw it on the board
for us? [Clamps pencil next to planchette on piece of paper] Okay
guys, draw! [The planchette draws the figure.]
Q: (J) Is it a spiral?
Q: [Terry draws figure which looks like polygon with perpendicular
extensions to each side.] Is that the idea?
A: Now, circularize base. Now enclose with outer circle. Now, make
on another page.
Q: (J) Is this a crop circle?
A: Has been done, yes. Designates union of perpendicular realities.
Q: (L) Was the town that Terry went through one of the perpendicular
A: Close. Need seven spokes.
Q: (L) Each person in the group is a spoke?
Q: (L) Are we ultimately going to have seven spokes?
Q: (T) Are the five of us here, five of those spokes?
Q: (T) That was diplomatic, wasn’t it? Is there more to this
A: Of course!
Q: (L) Once the seven spokes are in place in terms of persons, is
that going to increase our power/knowledge exponentially?
Q: (L) Is this why there has been so much attack and so many
attempts to stop this process?
Q: (T) Okay, we have the image on the paper with seven spokes. What
do we do with it next?
Q: (T) Okay, this is just this lesson.
( L) What is in the center of
A: Will fall into place, now you must ponder the significance and we
End of Session
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May 7, 1995
Freddie, Laura, Terry and Jan, SV
Q: (T) Good evening.
Q: (L) Who do we have with us this evening?
Q: (L) And where are you from?
Q: (L) Okay, we have a series of questions we would like to get into
this evening. Is that going to be alright? Or do you have plans
Q: (L) You have some plans or we can ask some questions?
Q: (L) Once again, since the thought was just stimulated by the
sight of same, what is the story with the roaches in my house? Why
are they coming in in such numbers?
Q: (L) Well, there are all kinds of cracks and crevices for them to
crawl in through, but usually, they don’t.
A: Scent food.
Q: (L) They scent food and that is what they come in for?
A: One reason.
Q: (T) What’s another reason?
A: Suggest electronic bug discourager.
Q: (L) You mean a bug zapper?
(SV) Not the ones that zap them, just
the ones that discourage them.
( T) Won’t that frequency interfere
with the channel?
A: Silly question.
Q: (J) I didn’t think so.
( L) I didn’t either. I mean, it’s a
A: Too strong now is why.
Q: (L) Okay, let’s kick into a couple of our questions here. The
first one is:
Who were the Sumerians?
A: Study mathematics.
Q: (L) Study mathematics? Is that the answer?
Q: (L) Who should study mathematics?
Q: (L) Is there something about mathematics that will tell me who
Q: (L) Well, I have read about the Sumerians, and I have read the
A: We are not Sitchen!
Q: (L) How did the Sumerians produce their civilization so suddenly
and completely, seemingly out of nowhere?
A: Study mathematics for all possible unanswered pieces of the
Interpolate and use appropriate computer program, learning now
increases your power tenfold, when you use some initiative, rather
than asking us for all the answers directly!!!
Q: (L) The first thing that comes to my mind is to enter in all the
dates that they have given us, create a data-base, for data, not
necessarily written matter, dates of comets, civilizations,
archaeological dates, findings, and so forth, and see how it
crunches. Was that all the answer there?
(J) I would like to have
some more on crop circles.
A: Do you not want an increase in power?
Q: (L) Absolutely. Is there any underlying significance to the Great
Year of 25,920 years, that is the precession of the zodiac?
A: See previous answers.
Q: (L) This is one that I don’t know if mathematics will help us out
with, but, what is angel hair that has been seen to fall from UFOs?
A: AKA “slag.”
Q: (J) Is it byproduct of the propulsion systems?
A: And of transdimensional maneuvers.
Q: (T) That’s why it dissolves and goes away.
( L) Did you know that
Mike Forte has some in a glassine bag that he got somewhere and is
certified angel hair! (T) He also has a UFO detector in a cigarette
Q: (L) Okay. On many occasions there have been fiery falls of
objects from the sky which leave a gelatinous substance which then
disappears. Is there any significance to this that we would be...
A: See previous answer.
Q: (T) Same stuff as angel hair.
( L) Okay, there were very unusual
circumstances surrounding the so-called “Great Chicago Fire.” I
would like to know if there was any impetus given this fire from
other dimensional forces, or was it just a natural phenomenon?
Q: (L) Well, in specific, there were several people who reported
what they described as literally a fiery tornado, or explosion, or
fire falling from the sky that just swept upon them so suddenly and
so completely that they literally had no time to do anything except
barely escape with their lives.
Q: (L) Well, there were entire little towns destroyed that weren’t
even next to Chicago, and it happened at the same time, supposedly.
A: Makes “good reading.”
Q: (L) Who constructed the great serpent mound in Adams County,
A: Armonan sect.
Q: (T) Who are the Armonans?
A: Atlantean descendants.
Q: (T) So, this was a long time ago?
A: (L) Is there anything about them we would be advised to know or
A: “Puzzle pieces.”
Q: (L) What period of time did they live in this area, from when to
A: See answers to Sumerian question.
Q: (L) Well, my opinion to this whole thing is that the Sumerians
and the Armonans were Atlanteans who set up shop in their respective
places when Atlantis went under.
A: Good, now go with that.
Q: (L) I would say that the same answer holds for the White Horse at
Uffington, in England?
Q: (L) Well, that takes care of that. Does someone or something, as
in people, or civilizations, or a group, or organization, exist
inside Mount Shasta in California?
Q: (J) Is there any truth to the rumor of the mystical power
surrounding Mount Shasta?
A: Roundabout only.
Q: (T) But, Mount Shasta, itself, doesn’t have any power related to
Q: (L) Yes, Mount Shasta, itself, but not any group or entities, is
Q: (L) Is there any reason that we would want to pursue that line of
questioning that we are not aware of?
A: Up to you.
Q: (L) Why is an unbearable stench of sulphur associated with Alien
bodies and other related phenomena and entities?
A: Chemical interactions.
Q: (L) So, if an alien dies in 3rd density and remains in 3rd
density, and decays in 3rd density, that causes a chemical reaction
that creates sulphur or related compounds?
Q: (J) So, the difference in dimensions creates this?
(L) Would they
smell this way if they died in 4th density?
(J) Well, that’s a
stupid question because, what is “smell” in 4th density?
it was a trick question!
A: Try to think more like 4th density instead of 3 and 2.
Q: (L) Does this imply, since this is what I am inferring, that the
aliens are chemically constructed in 4th density?
Q: (L) Now, Freddie and I both had strange dreams. I dreamed last
Sunday that I went outside and there was a whole lot of activity in
the sky. There were alien ships shooting at each other and at the
ground and it was pretty scary. There were people running around and
my husband abandoned me and the children because he was so freaked
out by it all. A really strange dream.
A: Stay tuned!
Q: (J) Oh, goody! (L) Was this dream prophetic?
Q: (T) Stay tuned, as in stay tuned during the dream to see what
A: For more dreams.
Q: (L) Are these dreams giving us information?
Q: (T) I keep having repeating dreams about a female. Who is she?
A: See previous answer, from now on abbreviated as “spa.”
Q: (L) Okay, now I was reading through the transcripts a while ago
and it says that a Black Hole is total non- existence which is
regenerated at level one. Or, that the regeneration at level one is
a reflection of a Black Hole. Is a Black Hole a level one phenomenon
or a level seven phenomenon?
A: One through four only.
Q: (L) Is there any representation of the Black Hole phenomenon,
that is, total non-existence, at the higher levels, that is, five
A: See previous answer.
Q: (T) Well, if the Black Hole is pure STS at level one through
four, at level five through seven there is only pure STO.
( SV) They
said earlier that there was STS at level five and six.
( T) But,
( L) Thought form.
A: Encapsulated at five.
Q: (L) Is there, after level seven, is there another...
A: No “after seven,” suggest “refresher course” of transcripts!
Q: (L) Well, the question you didn’t let me finish was, is there an
octave, does this step up and start the whole thing over like the
octaves on a piano?
Q: (L) Well, there is an awful lot of stuff being touted around
about octaves and so forth.
A: Grand cycle, and who is doing the “touting” that you speak of?
Q: (L) One of the persons who talks of the ocatave cycle is
Gurdjieff, the Sufi teachings, several of the great philosophical
teachings talk about the octave effect. There is the cycle of seven
and the next cycle is at a higher level and is called an octave like
the segments on the musical scale.
A: Who are we?
Q: (L) The Cassiopaeans.
A: Yes, now, we have volunteered to assist you in your development,
Q: (L) So, throw all that other crap out the window?
A: If there were a level eight, do you think we would have failed to
at this point?!?
Q: (J) Good point.
( SV) They forgot! (J) Oh, by the way, did we
mention level eight?! (T) Well, maybe these other people are
perceiving the recycling as moving into another octave rather than
just doing it all over and over. They just haven’t got the
information straight yet.
A: There are many who speak, and some who speak the truth!
Q: (J) Yeah, but which ones are speaking the truth?
(L) The truth is
But why Seven? What is the significance of the number seven?
A: Why not?
Q: (T) Could there as easily have been eight or nine or six?
A: Is there “significance” to anything?
Q: (L) Only the significance we give it, I guess.
A: And if so, what is that?
Q: (T) Well, it is interesting to me because it means there was a
structure to the way things were set up. There must have been a
reason it was selected this way as opposed to another way.
Q: (T) It didn’t just happen. Nothing just happens! (J) Now, hold on
a second, base 10 is because we have 10 fingers.
A: Who says?
Q: (T) You did.
A: Oh yeah?
Q: (L) Are you saying, essentially, that it is the way it is because
things are just arbitrarily that way?
A: No, we are trying to teach you how to complete the puzzle.
Q: (T) So the reason it is what it is and why is something we have
to figure out.
A: And you have to figure out what is reason?
Q: (T) The reason for what?
(J) For the seven.
A: No. No. No. Pay attention, please. What is reason?
Q: (J) As in reasoning?
A: Much of your learning to this point is based upon assumption of
Q: (L) And, all of our assumptions are completely wrong?
A: Not all.
Q: (J) Anything that is rooted in 3rd density doesn’t apply in most
of these things and that’s where we have to let go.
A: Logic is subjective.
Q: (L) Is symbolic logic as is used in mathematics subjective?
Q: (L) But you always come up with different things using math than
mentation. Okay. Well, we opened a can of worms here.
( T) We do that every
Worms are us! [Laughter]
A: Ongoing project.
Q: (T) Teaching us is an ongoing project.
( J) We are a can of worms.
(L) Is there any point in time when these communications will end?
[Tape ends abruptly and snaps off to surprised laughter at the
Q: (L) Was that a symbolic answer to that question?
Q: (T) I want to ask about my dream... I know, “See Previous
Answer...” Who is the woman? Who is this being?
A: Stay tuned.
Q: (T) Oh good! This is like a cliff hanger every night! (J) Will
there be more installments?
(T) Maybe, because she changed
A: Laura tired.
Q: (T) Are you tired?
(L) Not any more than normally. Is there any
reason for that?
A: Open; suggest caffeine.
Q: (L) Pause for caffeine break! We want to know about this
phenomenon of the street lights that go off as Terry and Jan drive
down the road sometimes. I know this has happened to me a few times
as well. Is there any significance to this phenomenon? Are Terry and
Jan causing it, in other words?
Q: (L) Can you tell us anything further about that?
Q: (L) Back a few years ago it seemed that an awful lot of things in
my presence tended to break... windows, glasses, kerosene lamp
chimneys, car windows, satellite dishes... mechanical objects would
die upon my touching them.
A: EM anomalies.
Q: (L) Were these occurring because of something in me or around me?
A: Changes in awareness, etc.
Q: (L) Was there any abduction activity or contact activity going on
with me at that time that contributed to this?
Q: (L) Could Terry and Jan’s experiences with the lights be related
to this type of thing?
Q: (T) I guess that between open and maybe that maybe is closer to a
( L) It is EM anomalies and changes in awareness.
( J) And, part
of it, as I was saying to Terry, is that if you are not aware of
what is going on around in your environment, you don’t notice such
Q: (L) Well, in my case, it seemed to be a little more explosive so
maybe I was a little more in the dark and had to be hit over the
head with a two by four, so to speak.
Q: (T) Is that EM wave still circling the planet?
Q: (T) It hasn’t done whatever it’s going to do, then?
Q: (T) Something else I have noticed, triple negatives throw them
[Laughter] (J) Well, triple negatives are nasty anyway.
A: Crop circles.
1. A planetary “window.”
2. Astronomical “twin” phenomena etc.
3. Alternating current.
4. Means: Expect to be rewarded at harvest time.
Q: Is this snail formation a hoax?
Q: What does it mean?
5. Buried memory.
8. Knowledge through conception.
9. Sight provides confirmation.
10. Relay learnings.
Q: (J) Well, that’s the one they use for their logo.
( T) I wonder if
they knew that?
A: Wonder indeed!
12. Passage of knowledge.
13. Find necessary clues by studying cyclical patterns. 14. Family.
15. Season of change.
16. Grand advance.
17. Universe as laboratory.
18. Dimensional crossover.
19. Physical life pictorial.
Q: Why the dead porcupine?
A: Scrambled body chemistry.
Q: Are the porcupines significant in these figures?
A: Learn. You have enough material to digest for now, so good luck
the next time, goodbye.
End of Session
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May 13, 1995
Freddie, Laura, Jan and Terry, SV
Q: (L) Hello.
( J) Did we just have somebody else horn in on the
Who do we have with us?
Q: (L) Did somebody else just horn in on the board a moment ago?
Q: (L) Well, my mother and I got a Play 4 number on the board the
other night and three of the numbers were correct, what source did
we get those from?
Q: (L) Is he still hanging around?
A: All can “hangaround,” if they choose.
Q: (J) Has my mother ever been present?
Q: (L) I would like to ask, since it is probably bugging everybody
at the moment, what is the source of this oppressive heat we have
A: Normal weather pattern variation.
Q: (L) Well, why isn’t my air conditioner working well enough to
keep the house cool?
A: House was not built with air conditioning in mind.
Q: (L) Well, you got that right. Okay, we have a couple of questions
we would like to get into. Jan noticed that there was a symbol on
the Windows Wingdings file that is quite similar to the symbol that
Ann Bailey uses on her brochures. We would like to know what is the
source of this symbol and why the variation?
A: Ethereal memory.
Q: (L) What is the meaning?
A: Interconnection of reality in general.
Q: (L) Is this a useful symbol to use in Reiki?
Q: (J) Why is it different in the fonts from the one used by Ann
A: “Different strokes for different folks.”
Q: (L) Is there anything further on this subject that you can,
would, or should give us?
Q: (L) Okay, last week we did a spirit release on myself and Susan
with Freddie acting as proxy. We also inquired about information
about protection for ourselves. Was the information that was given
through Freddie, at that time, an accurate portrayal of how we can
best protect ourselves?
Q: (L) Okay, one of the things that was said was that we don’t
really have to worry about cutting people off or out of our lives,
but just to be aware of the potential of what they may be carrying,
and that this awareness can actually create the barrier. Is this
Q: (L) Is is also, as I have conjectured, a good idea to sometimes
limit contact with people who may be carriers of negative energy, or
who may have...
A: In extreme cases.
Q: (L) So, in other words, if a person is extremely toxic, it is
best to just stay away from them or limit contact?
A: Good idea.
Q: (J) I would like to ask about the experience Terry and I were
having about my emotional imbalances.
( L) Okay... Jan, actually
everybody has been experiencing this attack situation...
A: Has caused stomach problems.
Q: (L) Have you been having stomach problems?
(J) No more than
( L) Okay, the situation that Terry and Jan have, that she
perceives as attack, was that, in fact, an attack?
Q: (T) What else was involved?
A: Biological changes.
Q: (J) Monthly hormonal?
Q: (J) That fits.
( L) Susan has been experiencing a situation that I
experienced in the past. She perceives a misty presence in her room.
What is the source of this presence, this fog?
A: Entity ID “code.”
Q: (L) And what kind of entity is it?
A: Sublinear yeti like.
Q: (T) What does sublinear mean?
A: Scrambled identifier of channel mechanism.
Q: (T) Are we talking about encryption here?
Q: (L) Is it something being sent through the dimensional curtain
and does it need Susan’s energy to reassemble itself?
Q: (L) Is it having trouble reassembling itself?
A: Chose Susan due to past imprint.
Q: (SV) What do you mean, “Past Imprint?”
A: Past associations have brought about conflicting imprints into
Q: (L) Is there any way she can change these past associations or
A: Go to places where traumatic events occurred, and “reload with
Q: (SV) Well, that would be all over the country.
( T) Visualize
A: Not sufficient, must replace physically.
Q: (T) Is this all over from everywhere, all her life, or just
A: Traumatic events are easily accessible.
Q: (L) In other words, she will know. Okay, since this situation she
experienced was very similar to the one I experienced when I was
pregnant with Aletheia, was this similar?
Q: (L) What was the fog I experienced?
A: Entity imprint brought on by unusual stress.
Q: (J) Because of the baby?
A: Partly. Pregnancies may cause unusual psychic awareness.
Q: (L) What is the intent of this fog in Susan’s room?
A: Not correct conceptualization.
Q: (SV) Well, I don’t feel any fear, I just wonder if it is
( T) What was the mist I saw the other day?
Q: (L) John called today and talked to me a little bit about the
Oklahoma bombing. Now, we haven’t talked about it too much... he did
bring up some interesting claims. Was the Oklahoma bombing an
“inside job,” that is, was it done by agents of the government
Q: (L) Okay, was the Oklahoma bombing done by the persons who have
been arrested for it?
Q: (L) Was the Oklahoma bombing accomplished by the fertilizer bomb
placed in the truck parked outside the building?
Q: (L) It was not accomplished by any bomb inside the building?
Q: (L) Was Timothy McVeigh influenced to do this by forces outside
Q: (L) Were these forces human or other?
Q: (L) Was it as I have written in my piece “The Politics of
Q: (L) Was that piece essentially channeled?
Q: (J) Was anything that John said about the size of the bomb
Q: (T) Was anything John said about it correct?
A: In general, no.
Q: (T) So he is mouthing rumors or making stuff up, or passing on
A: Within circles in which he moves.
Q: (J) What circles does he move in?
A: Anti-government militia types.
Q: (T) Is he an agent?
A: Of what sort?
Q: (T) Is he a government agent?
Q: (T) Is he a STS agent?
Q: (T) Is he trying to influence things?
A: Forces trying to influence things are working through him.
Q: (T) He is not working for the CIA, or the NSA, or the FBI, or
military intelligence, or anything like that?
Q: (L) You told us before that he worked for the NSA...
( T) The
A: CIA stands for Confusion Is Apparent!
Q: (T) He is a Confusion Is Apparent agent?
A: Might as well be.
Q: (J) He’s doing their work but he is not on their payroll.
( T) He
is doing as
good a job as they are putting out the disinformation.
( L) Earlier
we had a
discussion about where we wanted to move. My husband has his ideas,
we all have
our ideas, and we just want to know, in terms of just being happy
with the surroundings, of the places mentioned: South Dakota, North
which would be more pleasant?
A: As we have told you before, moving is pointless, as it is a
3rd density thinking, and would thus regress you severely. It is not
“where you are that matters, it is who and or what you are that
Q: (L) That is not the point that we were talking about. We
were not talking about moving out of fear. We were talking about
moving out of the simple desire to not live in this area any longer
because we don’t like it! I want to get out of the heat!
A: That is 3rd density in the extreme!!!
Q: (T) That is just something we decided to do, like Noah building
the ark, we thought it would be a good idea.
A: Then do it, but don’t expect us to be there!
Q: (L) Since Terry and Jan have the urge to acquire larger space for
themselves, what would you propose they do if not move to North
A: Does larger space automatically equate long distance move?
Q: (J) No, it doesn’t, but I don’t want to spend the kind of money
required to get a larger house in St. Petersburg. This is something
we have talked about for a long time.
A: Is St. Petersburg your only option?
Q: (J) We don’t know, we have to find that out. It depends on what
happens with jobs and other things.
( L) Is my financial situation
blocked because of my plans and ideas about moving?
Q: (L) If I changed my thought patterns in that regard, would my
financial situation become unblocked?
A: If you open your mind to any and all possibilities, this always
Q: (J) Well, that is what we are trying to do, and one of the
possibilities is moving to North Carolina.
( L) Okay, I say that I
don’t know what the Universe wants me to do. I am just waiting to
see, and waiting for direction. What more can I do?
Q: (J) That’s what we are doing. We are trying to open our minds up
to all the possibilities. Something may open up here, or in St.
Pete, or somewhere else. We don’t know. And, unless we open all the
doors to find the one that’s right.
We have to shake all the bushes.
A: As long as you wish to communicate with us, and learn from the
are sharing with you, multitudes of possibilities will present
themselves to you.
Q: (L) Does this mean even for my husband, that he will get a good
job? Is Lewis’ potential also connected to this communication?
A: If a “good job” is what he desires, yes, however, if others are
convince him that that is what he desires, then there will continue
to be blocking of the “flow” taking place! Lewis is of the utmost
importance to us!
Q: (L) Why do I keep having dreams of him
abandoning me and the kids when the UFOs start landing?
Q: (J) That’s your fear.
( L) Okay, you say he is of the utmost
Could you give us a clue about that, please?
A: All are.
Q: (L) Okay, he would like to have some advice as to how to shape
his life from this point on?
A: Do what you really want to, and all else will fall into place,
procrastinate or “dream your life away.”
Q: (L) Okay, have we pretty much exhausted this subject and should
we move onto something else here?
A: Up to you.
Q: (J) I think we have pretty much exhausted the subject. We don’t
know what is going to happen and we are just waiting to see what the
Universe has to offer.
A: Good! Cope.
Q: (L) What does cope refer to?
Q: (L) I have to cope with what is going on?
Q: (J) That’s what we are doing, one day at a time.
A: Laura is dragging so badly that the channel is oscillating. Save
Q: (L) Then, we will say goodnight.
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May 20, 1995
Freddie, Laura, Jan and Terry, SV
A: Two messages.
Q: (L) Who do we have with us?
A: Rituals restrict channel!
Q: (L) We weren’t doing a ritual, we were just
with light. Is there something wrong with surrounding ourselves with
light and creating light energy?
A: Rituals are rituals.
Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
Q: (L) And where are you from?
Q: (L) Okay, what are the messages?
A: That was one, the other is be careful with exposure to to those
who are still
Q: (L) And who are they?
(J) The kids were in here.
( L) Do you have
any other messages for us this evening?
Q: (L) You are open. Okay. Anna did a viewing the other night of us
doing this work. In this viewing she saw us around the table, and
she saw a pyramid in the center of the table. What did the pyramid
A: Energy focuser.
Q: (L) She also saw another person standing in a corner. Could you
tell us who that person was?
A: Just viewer, you attract a lot of those in 3rd density and 5th
Q: (L) She also saw a lamp hanging over the table. What does the
A: Not lamp, was light, represents light channel to level 6.
Q: (L) She also saw a green glow surrounding us and green slime
oozing out of the pyramid all over our hands. What did this
A: Was interference in reading coming from level 4 STS.
Q: (T) Was this what she saw in reference to last week’s work?
Q: (L) Was what she was seeing interference in our work or
interference in her viewing?
A: The latter.
Q: (L) So, STS was interfering in her viewing to cast a different
light on it?
Q: (L) Okay, last week we received information that said if we moved
to North Carolina, that you would not be there. We felt very strange
about this because we felt that our connection with you was
something that extended throughout space and time. We had a very
negative reaction to that. We would like to have comments on that
A: Not point, you were brought together as a result of many
energy transfers for a purpose! You are always free to pursue any
path you choose, however, if you concentrate on 3rd level matters
such as your physical location, you risk creating rifts within your
group! This is because such thoughts and potential actions will
strengthen 3rd level STS feelings within each member, thus risking
breakup of channel. Now, please realize, you have a unique
combination of forces working through all of you that brought you
all to this point. This is fragile, and any major changes in the
chemistry will inevitably change “the whole picture.”
Q: (L) By “major changes,” do you mean members of the group leaving?
A: We are not finished with the message. If you were to move your
locator, it would not be possible to satisfy each member equally
therefore, rifts would develop. Now, consider this, you have all
chosen to be in this location. Some chose this when on level 5 even!
So, perceived dissatisfactions with locator are transitory, and like
so much else, merely the result and symptomatic of the changes
occurring within, as well as 4th level STS attack! Many other groups
have been successfully misled by perceived need to relocate, with
predictable results! Suggest you avoid joining them!
Q: (F) Based on
what has been said before, part of the way we were all brought
together was by being physically in proximity to one another.
Right! (F) And if we disrupt that...
( SV) And we chose it, some of
us, from 5th level, so it is sort of preordained that we do this.
(F) Right! And there are so many factors delicately placed in this
situation, that any movement...
( L) It would actually be... if we
tried to go and move as a group, someplace else, some of us would be
dissatisfied with the idea of moving, and therefore that would
actually create personal problems between us which would drive the
( F) On a small scale, it is similar to when a husband
and wife decide to move... “I’ll go because I love you and you want
to go...” and then they are miserable.
( SV) The Cayce readings say
that many aspects of our lives are decided beforehand on 5th level.
So, we must have all gotten together there and decided we were going
to all come to New Port Richey and do this! (L) New Port Richey! (J)
The reality of our situation is that we want to get out of our tiny
little house and into another...
( L) Well, the way this was put, it
sounds like you can’t even move out of your house! (J) Oh, no! They
have already told us that we can do that! (T) No, they just
indicated that we shouldn’t move from this general location. That is
the way I understand it.
( L) Last week it was pretty short...
But, on the other hand, maybe they have worked pretty hard getting
this project cranked up with all of us being as hard-headed as we
( T) Look how long it took us to get up here! (J)
It is not like this is new...
Terry and I have been talking about moving for years... we may do it
( SV) I like it here.
( T) We don’t know what is going to
( F) If everybody decided together to go to North
( L) And we were all happy with the decision...
( F) But
right now I don’t feel like going there...
( L) And LM doesn’t...
Something else interesting about dissatisfaction being transitory and
part of inner changes and attack... I am not dissatisfied with where
I am physically, but with who I am and what I am and everything else
in my life, which would be precisely the same if I were in North
( L) It wouldn’t matter, your physical location wouldn’t
( F) Right, so...
( J) Our situation is that we have to get
out of that house.
( F) Well, let’s ask...
( L) I think we should ask
if we were all equally agreed to go to another location, would the
channel work someplace else?
A: Yes, but that is unlikely.
Q: (J) We know that.
( L) This leads to the assumption and the
realization, which I have long held, and have picked at, and maybe
it is time for you guys to take the gloves off, what is it that is
going on here? Obviously things have been brought to a certain point
for a reason. You have hinted at things, alluded to things, you
A: You will discover this as the process continues to unfold, if you
were to be
given a “preview” you would become “unglued.”
Q: (L) I don’t want to know! (T) Give me a preview! (L) We don’t
want a preview! (J) We have been having some pretty weird dreams
Q: (T) Is this group complete?
Q: (T) Are there others yet to come?
A: Very distinct possibility.
Q: (T) That may be part of why we can’t move, if there are others
around here that are supposed to come.
( J) I think as far as the
( T) There are others that are supposed to come, they
are not here yet...
( J) It would have to be... in order for the
group to be able to move as a group, Susan and Fred and LM would
have to change their minds about wanting to move...
( T) No, no,
( J) Yes...
( T) If we were to move the thing... there are
others who are supposed to be in this group and they are not here
yet, so it is not the right timing... if we were all in agreement to
move... we don’t have the whole group and there would be no way for
the rest of the group to get to us...
( L) The statement was made
that we all chose to be here, is that correct?
Q: (L) And we have chosen to work together for a distinct purpose,
is that correct?
Q: (L) And we have all, whether together or individually, we all
have a very distinct purpose and pathway to follow in this life that
was pre-chosen and pre-set, is that correct?
A: That is true for all on level three.
Q: (L) And there is no one in this room who is here by mistake, is
Q: (L) And there is no one in this room who doesn’t need to get
about finding out what their purpose is by doing each day what is in
front of them, is that correct?
A: Close. But, beware of attack and desires to “push” things in any
direction, which is a manifestation of attack! Just let things fall
into place naturally!
Q: (L) Okay.
( J) Can you give any input as to Terry’s and my
situation, regarding our house being too small, and needing to find
A: There is no reason you cannot move from your current residence.
Q: (L) Okay, a strange thing happened the other day. Our neighbor,
who has always been kind of aloof from us, came over and offered LM
help in getting a job. Why?
A: We will occasionally throw “perks” in your direction, just to
help you out,
when you have had periods of equally balanced misfortune!
Q: (L) Well, is he going to get the job?
A: Up to LM, these are perks, not guarantees. In other words, we do
not lead by
Q: (L) Well, if you can get him into a job, I thank you.
A: You are welcome.
Q: (L) Now, about the conference.
( T) Is it all on the up and up?
Q: (T) As far as the speakers go?
Q: (T) Was Mr. O’Leary playing with a full deck?
Q: [Laughter] (L) How about our putting our brochure out there?
Yes, was it a good idea the way we did it?
A: Might be wise to be controlled in distribution methods, rather
scattering “to the four winds.”
Q: (L) But you said to rattle the bushes.
( J) Should I not give
Greenan more copies of the brochure?
Q: (L) Are you saying that what we did was a good idea because it
was for a specific audience rather than random distribution?
A: You have been less than careful to this point.
Q: (L) Well when we asked you beforehand, you wouldn’t tell us
are you saying this post-event? Post facto!
A: Discover. By the way, rattling the bushes can be accomplished
with a broom,
not only a howitzer.
Q: (L) Well, we thought we were being very restrained in what we put
A: Recently, you have settled down some, yes.
Q: (L) What do you mean “recently” we have settled down some? Is
that me, specifically?
A: Earlier, you were less careful than now.
Q: (T) That was before you started telling us about the people that
are waiting to eat us alive! (L) That is before we had all our
attacks. We have been discussing the idea of putting this
information out on the computer net.
A: Okay, but suggest no bylines, or “handles.”
Q: (T) In other words, don’t put our names out there?
Q: (T) Well, we were talking about not putting the bio on the net,
just the channel info and address for more info.
A: Up to you.
Q: (J) I think we could do a condensed bio with no names...
Well, why don’t we put there naked? For all they know, the
Cassiopaeans downloaded it themselves.
( T) They will be able to ID
( L) Well, previously, you were very interested in us getting on
the computer net. AOL was not worth the money....
A: Your opinion and you were characteristically impatient.
Q: (L) Well, I wasn’t so impatient as broke. I was paying long
distance charges and the net cost me over $150. dollars that month.
A: You were not aware of tremendous progress made, due to “tunnel
preconceived notions of what defines progress.
Q: (T) Were you using the message boards?
(L) No, I didn’t know how
and I couldn’t afford to hack through the system and figure it out.
(T) Well, if I had known, I would have showed you how.
( L) See, it
wasn’t my fault, it was Terry’s. He didn’t show me how to use the
thing! I was paying by the hour, not just impatient.
A: We did not place individual blame.
Q: (J) We need to plan a little bit more.
( L) We want to know if
there are really underground tunnels all over the place that many
people have reported being taken to in alien abductions?
Q: (T) Have they been there a long time?
Q: (T) Do they predate humanity?
A: A few.
Q: (T) Are they equivalent of subway tunnels, to get from one place
Q: (T) Is there a set of trains or whatever to move from place to
Q: (T) Is there any kind of high tech gear in place in these tunnels
to move from place to place?
Q: (L) How do they travel through these tunnels?
Q: (T) Can individuals be transported through the tunnels without
benefit of equipment? Or do they use some kind of gadgetry?
A: All of the above.
Q: (L) Who occupies these tunnels?
Q: (T) Are there still beings in there?
Q: (T) Are humans involved in this?
Q: (T) Were there humans involved in digging some of these tunnels?
Q: (T) Before that, there were other beings that were not human?
Q: (T) Are those other beings still down there?
Q: (T) Is this a worldwide network of tunnels?
Q: (T) Where are most of the tunnels?
A: North America, since that is the “capitol” of STS, currently.
Q: (T) Are there other tunnel systems other than in North America?
Q: (T) Does it depend on where the STS alignment is as to whether
they are operational?
A: Not point, just single factor.
Q: (T) Do any of the tunnels lead to Antarctica?
Q: (T) Is there any way of getting to Antarctica through the tunnel
systems even if you have to come to the surface occasionally?
Q: (L) Are humans ever taken into these tunnels or places
Against their will?
Q: (T) Is there some kind of underground base in Antarctica?
A: Yes. Eight.
Q: (T) Are they related to the tunnels in time?
Q: (T) Were any of those bases underground in Antarctica built by
the Germans during World War II?
Q: (T) Nazis?
A: Remember, all is structured in cycles and circles.
Q: (L) In other words, these tunnels were built by and belong to the
Consortium, is that correct?
A: Circles within circles.
Q: (L) Masons?
A: One example of concept.
Q: (T) Jan and I have a friend who has told us about someone she
knew who found entrances to tunnel systems in North America. One of
the entrances was in the Airondacks, another was in the Mammoth cave
system. Was what she was told true?
A: Yes, but there are thousands of entrances. Are you ready for a
Q: (J) Oh, you know we are always ready for a shocker.
( L) Sure! (T)
Okay, give us the shocker.
( J) We’re ready!
A: There is a tunnel right beneath your feet!
Q: (J) I knew they were going to say that.
( T) Of course! Is that
where the digging is going to go from the basement?
A: Up to you!
Q: (L) How deep under our feet?
A: 2000 feet.
Q: (T) Is anything moving in that tunnel?
Q: (T) Is that tunnel being used?
Q: (L) Right at this second?
Q: (L) Who uses it more than anybody else?
Q: (T) Are there humans down there?
A: Have been, listen for sound anomalies such as loud sonic boom
like noises and
vague motorized sounds.
Q: (L) Is there any kind of electronic gadgetry down there causing
my appliances to keep breaking down?
Q: (L) What is wrong with my air conditioner?
Q: (SV) Does this tunnel hook up with the doorway in the old stone
house on Grand Boulevard that nobody has been able to open or cut
Q: (T) Is there an entrance to this tunnel underneath us somewhere
in this area?
A: Near power plant.
Q: (T) Crystal River?
(L) No, Anclote.
( T) Is that why the power
plant is built there?
A: Related; old Nike base.
Q: (T) What direction does this tunnel run that is underneath us?
A: East - West.
Q: (T) Out under the Gulf of Mexico?
Q: (T) Where does the West end?
A: Just described.
Q: (L) The power plant.
( T) Okay, where does the East end go?
A: Near Lakeland.
Q: (T) What is in Lakeland that would have a tunnel entrance in it?
A: Not issue.
Q: (L) What is on the surface may have no relationship to the
A: Transfer point and redirector.
Q: (T) Is there another tunnel that comes into this tunnel, that
intersects this tunnel?
Q: (T) Near Lakeland?
Q: (T) Is that what you are talking about; a transfer point?
Q: (T) Does that tunnel travel North/South?
Q: (T) Does that run up the East coast?
Q: (L) Lakeland is in the center of the state.
( T) Where does it go?
Are these side tunnels to a main tunnel that runs along the East
A: All are interconnected.
Q: (T) So, it is like a subway or bus line? Is there a tunnel
farther South of here?
Q: (T) How far does the farthest South tunnel go?
Q: (J) Is there a tunnel near our house, in St. Petersburg?
Q: (T) Is there a tunnel to MacDill?
Q: (L) I think that, in general, importance we would ascribe to
surface structures may not be a consideration here.
( T) I was
thinking about the military base.
( L) I would think that the tunnels
bear no relationship to the structures under the surface except in
( J) But, what got there first, the tunnels or the
structures on the surface?
(L) Obviously the tunnels have been there
for a long time, and perhaps, in certain instances a situation may
be manipulated so that a specific structure is built to facilitate
the tunnel usage, but the fact that Lakeland is built over it may
not be relevant.
( T) There is no entrance to the tunnel system near
Q: (J) And there are no tunnels down in Pinellas?
A: Phosphate plant.
Q: (T) There’s a tunnel entrance in the phosphate plant?
got one more question about the tunnels.
Q: (T) There is a tunnel entrance in one of the phosphate mines?
Q: (J) Was the placement of this tunnel under our feet the reason
Laura got this house?
Q: (T) Does the placement of the tunnel underneath us have something
to do with the channel?
Q: (T) Because of the greater EM underneath us; we are tapping into
that EM energy?
A: Helps in offhand way.
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