March 18, 1995

Freddie, Laura, Terry and Jan Brad

Q: (T) Good Evening.
A: Hello.

Q: Who do we have with us this evening?
A: Usurro.

Q: And, where are you from?
A: Cassiopaea. Yes.

Q: (L) Have you been listening to our discussion?
A: Of course.

Q: (L) And, do you have any comments to make on the assistance factor?
A: Comments a plenty.

Q: (T) Comment away.
A: Prejudice.

Q: (L) What does prejudice refer to?
A: Thor Templar’s views.

Q: (L) His views are prejudiced. Okay, can you tell us, does he actually have material or techniques that can cause implants to dissolve and be flushed out of the body?
A: No.

Q: (L) Why does he think he does?
A: Open.

Q: (T) Is he who he says he is?
A: Vague.

Q: (L) He says he is the Lord High Commander of the Alien Resistance Movement to protect the planet Earth from alien beings. Is this who he is?
A: If he wishes.

Q: (T) Cool. I’m the Lord High Pooh bah myself.
(L) Are any of the items in his catalogue worth spending money on, such as the radionics devices?
A: Make good conversation pieces.

Q: (L) Is there any kind of third density technological devices that we could build that would, for example, keep our environment clean in terms of vibrations, protect us, or erect a barrier against attack?
A: Review.

Q: (L) What have they said on that subject?
(J) I don’t remember. (T) When we asked about building a TDARM, they said: “Sure, we can tell you, but where are you going to get the parts?” The point is, the technology the fourth density beings are working with, we can’t build.
A: All you need is knowledge.

Q: (T) I think Thor is missing the point about the knowledge.
A: If you have the knowledge, what else do you need? Now, think carefully and multidimensionally.

Q: (L) Well, a TDARM would be nice to start off with.
(T) There’s one buried on Oak Island, go dig it up.
A: No, order from Sears.

Q: (S) You want me to bring over their catalogue? You can start looking.
(J) Is it in the Spring catalogue? [Laughter.] (L) So, we can’t get a TDARM.
(T) Well, you can, but you have to get the right catalogue.
A: Discuss Thor’s tape, and we will address points one by one, if you wish!

Q: (L) The first point that he made was that, since you don’t give us practical material information that we can make machines and weapons with, that you must be giving us disinformation and maybe you are the Lizzies?
A: Distorted representation of what Thor said, suggest listen again!

Q: (L) Well, I was just sort of boiling it down. Okay...
A: No.

Q: (F) I thought it said what you said it said.
(J) What he wants is a marketable item he can make money from.
A: Interpretation only, Jan.

Q: (J) Well, why else... I mean, here is a fellow that markets this stuff...
A: He was implying the information we have given you is invalid or not of practical use in general, do you believe this to be true?

Q: (T) That’s very true, he was.
(J) No, I don’t believe that! (L) No, I don’t believe this to be true, but we do need to....
A: Sense doubt.

Q: (L) Well, yes, you sense some doubts because he has pointed out that we should be able to get financial assistance here since that is the biggest way we have been getting attacked. And, obviously, if you are who you say you are, you should be able to do this, right?
A: Who says not in progress, and must it be instantaneous?

Q: (S) Yeah, look, you got the van.
(L) That’s true.
(S) And all the little things that have been happening here and there? I have been getting more clients...
A: He makes it sound as if we should materialize 100 dollar˙˙ bills on board! We have told you that you must learn in order to make progress as souls, this does not happen any faster than your abilities to absorb and process!!! ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙

Q: (J) We know that.
(T) Thor just wants what he wants and he wants it now, he wants to defend himself against aliens that he has no concept of.
(J) We are just trying to understand what this guy is all about.
(T) He really doesn’t understand. He doesn’t have the faintest idea what is happening out there.
A: His thought is that his own personal notions of what should transpire are gospel.

Q: (L) Are his intentions good?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Well, what I told him was to put his money where his mouth is and this was his reaction. So, I think we can determine his motivations from this since that has been suggested to us as a test.
(J) It sounds to me more like he is looking to sell us his stuff.
(F) Yes, it does sound that way. And, he will naturally discount any information that says his little gadgets are not worth buying.
(B) He is trying to pick your brains to get something he can get rich off of.
(F) And or selling us on the idea of abandoning this and becoming followers of his group and helping him to market himself.
(L) Well, one of the things he says is that the Grays are thought forms and then he wants to sell a material object to blast them! The Grays are cybergenetic constructs. They are just as real as you or I. If they died, or ceased functioning, we would be able to take them apart.
(T) They are extremely advanced cyborgs.
(F) As long as they die in third density.
(L) And, you know, the thing that Hillard told us, about the material evidence that disappears.
(F) And that is found throughout ufology.
(L) Hillard is this old guy who lives over in St. Cloud, who has the most incredible collection of UFO stuff I have ever seen. He has devoted 40 years of his life to this and. He knows or knew all the prominent researchers and has a lot of material that no one else I have ever met has. He is retired military and worked for NASA as a consulting engineer. He’s been to Medugorjee to view the apparitions of the Virgin Mary and apparently has the ways and means to travel around to satisfy his curiosity. What he told us that what everybody in the public sector wants is material evidence and that there has been a lot of material evidence picked up from various sites around the world. But, once it is collected, it disappears! When he said that I immediately inferred that he was talking about someone in some conspiracy absconding with the evidence. I thought this was what he meant by “disappearing.” But, he made it a little clearer when he said “they had cameras on it 24 hours a day, and it just DISAPPEARED!” I realized that what he meant was that it literally dematerialized. When he said this I said: “Oh. I understand that perfectly!” It makes perfect sense. We have been dealing with this fourth density nature of the phenomenon, which, if it is that, it explains an awful lot of very strange stuff! Aliens walking through solid objects, appearing and disappearing before the eyes of witnesses, beaming people around on “light”, being beyond the restrictions of time, appearing to specific persons in a group while, at the same time, being invisible to others. So, you hear about all this and at the same time you hear about the obvious material nature of the phenomenon: landing traces, changes in sites and people in contact with the UFOs and aliens, dead alien bodies, captured craft. So, you try to sort it all out, and it is so weird, and you try to understand it. But, when you understand it as a fourth density phenomenon, some of which is literally technological and not paranormal in the strict sense of the word, then it makes perfect sense. And, with the hypnosis sessions I have done, there are always these alien guys moving around in the background, and I instruct the subject to see clearly what is going on, and they get a FLASH; and they say, God! the face was there for a second, but they can’t get it back, and all they can say is “It looks like a dinosaur,” or “it has scales on it.” But that is all they can get. So, somewhere behind all this are these damned reptiles who, apparently, are other density.
(B) You said that when fourth density beings come into third density reality, they can only exist for a short period of time, and then they dematerialize back into their own reality because they can’t hold the frequency?
(T) Yes, in some of the stuff you have where it talks about the Lizard beings, the reptiles, usually they are only involved for a short period of time. They are only seen every so often. They can only manifest themselves into this density for a short period of time, after which it is too draining. The Grays are projected into third density, and they can stay longer because they are engineered to do so, but they still maintain it for extended periods because some sort of power source is projecting them.
(B) That’s why they take the abductees into their density where they can have some stability.
(T) It is easier for them to take us into fourth than for them to come into third. But, they abduct in different states. They don’t always abduct the person physically. They can take the essence out of the body.
(L) We have been told through this source that a lot of the things that they do, such as extracting the soul, is actually a technological thing: fourth density technology. It is so far in advance of anything that we can conceive of, but, nevertheless, it is still technology.
(T) Which may explain their interest in the human ability to astrally project. We have an ability to remove our essence and transport it to other places even though we have little control over this and we are not entirely adept at it. It is somewhat random. They are interested in that ability and they are interested in our emotions, all these things that someone “from another planet” in a strictly physcal sense, would not be interested in. Although I do believe that there are some of these sightings that are strictly from other third density planets.
(F) Let’s ask about that.
A: Are those ideas gospel?

Q: (J) No, we are just trying to figure it out.
(T) We should consider the source of Thor’s ideas. We have to learn to sort through these things.
A: Yes. Part of the learning process.

Q: (T) Well, we have Brad Merrill with us this evening. He came with us to say hello. And, I think he has some questions.
A: Hello, Brad.

Q: (T) Brad had a dream the other night he wants to ask about.
(B) I had a dream several nights ago, is this of significance to move to.... should I go into detail?
(J) No.
(L) No.
A: Explore relationships with blood relatives.

Q: (B) That is an interesting reading.
(J) Yeah, it would work, wouldn’t it?
(B) Yes. I’m adopted and I have been thinking about finding my biological mother. I know her name and the town she is from, but I have never met her. I have never pursued it.
(L) Maybe that is what the dream is telling you?
(B) I don’t think it is exactly related to that. The dream was about...
A: Yes. Indirectly; learn, continue to share.

Q: (B) The dream was very distinct. I went to the moon and I was taken to the interior of the moon, and there was a very realistic interior to the moon. There were some parts that were hollow inside. And, when I went inside a big cavern there was 1920’s art deco style, and it was so clear. And, it was to learn more about who we are and where we are...
(L) Did you know that, symbolically, the Moon represents the mother or the feminine principle? And, you are talking about going inside a “cavernous” area “inside” the Moon, or inside the “mother.” The womb.
(J) Twenties Art Deco? [laughter] (B) Yeah...
A: Thirties art deco.

Q: [Laughter] (S) Did it have something to do with Miami Beach? That’s thirties art deco all over the place.
(B) Yeah, I’ve been there a few times.
(T) What did the thirties art deco...
A: Cross reference: perhaps your interest in UFOs and related has some connection to your bloodline?

Q: (B) So, if I was to explore this relationship... go back and find this woman who was my mother, she might be involved in some way with metaphysical subjects or UFOs?
A: More than you realize!!!!!

Q: (L) Maybe she’s an alien! [Laughter.] (B) My mother’s a Cassiopaean! (S) In disguise! An Orion! (T) Well, we are looking for an Orion. We are not going to find them, they are going to find us.
(J) It’s not like we can put an ad in the paper.
(L) Why not?
(J) No, no, no, no, no! (S) We’ll give your phone number, Laura! [Laughter]
A: For Brad’s benefit, Mars monuments are atlantean, some on Moon are others; are ET.

Q: (S) Yes. Edgar Cayce said that the Atlanteans were going to other planets...
A: Yes. With the same relative ease with which you would fly to Atlanta.

Q: (B) Strange!
A: Pun intended! Triple! What is the base root of the ˙˙˙name? ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙

Q: (B) Yeah, that’s where I am moving later this year.
A: Plans change!

Q: (J) Is that just a general comment or a prediction?
A: No.

Q: (B) Is it for me?
A: Who else?

Q: (J) Are you saying he is not going to move to Atlanta?
A: Open.

Q: (L) They are not going to tell you anymore. It was a big hint! Okay, we have a couple of questions to ask here. The first is: What is this big thing going around about the “Keys of Enoch?” James J. Hurtak, I believe, Is the author or “channel” or whatever. I would like to know what is the source of this material?
A: Various.

Q: (L) Can you be a little more specific for us?
A: Probe.

Q: (S) I never read the book.
(L) I haven’t either.
(J) Well, maybe we need to do the research and get back to them later.
(L) Would you say that these sources are reliable?
A: Open.

Q: (T) What is it supposed to be about.
(L) I don’t know. Some woman is supposed to be coming next Saturday night from Atlanta to talk about it at Martie Taylor’s.
(T) From Atlanta? As easily as you fly from Atlantis? [Laughter] (L) Well, Martie wants us to come hear this gal teach on this subject.
(T) As long as she is not going to read it! [Laughter] (F) No, but Martie is going to have a handout so that we can all follow along flipping the pages.
(J) You guys are being nasty!
A: Martie Taylor?

Q: (L) Is that a clue?
(J) Is that a clue to consider the source?
A: Open.

Q: (T) Was that a question or a statement?
A: Up to you!

Q: (L) I want to ask again about the Urantia book. My reading of it tends to make me think that it is elitist and racist. Is that a valid assessment?
A: Open.

Q: (S) Let’s ask about Commander X and that stuff.
(T) Yeah, who is Commander X?
(L) The Cosmic Patriot Files.
(T) He is a cosmic survivalist!
A: Does not wish to be identified.

Q: (T) Well, we know that.
(L) What is his position?
A: Free will.

Q: (L) Is he in a position to know of which he speaks?
A: Maybe.

Q: (T) And then again, maybe not.
(L) I thought it was pretty good information.
(F) It looks like a compilation.
(L) Jan and I have a question. Hillard mentioned that the frogs are disappearing from the planet.
A: Ozone layer.

Q: (L) They are getting fried because of the loss of the Ozone layer?
A: Fried?

Q: [Laughter] (J) Where are they going?
(T) The ozone layer is depleting and they are the first of the things we are really noticing as an effect of this?
A: Yes.

Q: (J) Where are they going?
(T) They are not going anywhere, they are dying.
(F) They are not reproducing.
A: Yes.

Q: (B) They have very sensitive skin.
(T) Soon it is going to be affecting us all.
A: All part of the wave effects interconnecting realities.

Q: (L) Well, if it is having this effect on frogs, what is it going to do to us when it gets stronger?
A: Wait and see.

Q: (L) Now, come on! This doesn’t sound like a real pleasant thing. Don’t you think you ought to give us just a little more on this? A clue here?
A: No.

Q: [Laughter] (T) Are they saying that the loss of the ozone layer is a direct result of the approaching wave?
(J) They sure did! (T) The loss is not due to the flourocarbons?
A: Misinterpretation, review statement thoroughly.

Q: (J) Is removal of the ozone layer part of the frequency “fixing?”
A: Close.

Q: (T) This is keyed on the frog phenomenon?
A: No.

Q: (L) It’s keyed on interconnecting realities.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are you saying that the wave is causing the interconnecting of realities?
(J) And the ozone layer is in the wave?
A: And causing actions which affect third density in myriad ways, close circle. Please “excuse” eavesdroppers.

Q: (J) Is someone eavesdropping? [Child in next room peeking around door who then exits to upstairs.]
A: Was, disrupts channel and can be harmful.

Q: (L) Well, they have repeatedly told us that the children must not be around during the sessions because it can be detrimental to them with their “open” or unformed energies. Back to the frogs. Interconnecting realities is the key. Myriad manifestations.
(S) Maybe the frogs are going into a higher density? Affecting third density is the dying of the frogs, correct?
A: No.

Q: (L) It is a symptom?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, it is a symptom of interconnecting of realities. When you say interconnecting of realities...
A: No “of”.

Q: (L) Okay, I’ve got it... the dying of the frogs is symptomatic on second density level of what is occurring on third density level. It’s an expression, on that level, of what is happening here...
(J) Or a warning...
(L) Dying frogs... is that correct?
A: No.

Q: (L) Are the frogs moving from second density to third density?
A: Not that complex, perhaps you need to study transcripts more often, then you would not need to cover the same subject matter over and over!

Q: (L) Okay. Then we will drop it.
(T) I want to go back to the “frogs are a symptom” of the overlapping realities. Realities, not densities. The frogs are dying because...
(L) Because they feel sorry for us! (T) Yeah! Works for me! [Laughter] The frogs are dying because the ozone layer is becoming depleted. I think it is completely gone and they are lying to us about that.
(B) Maybe they are saying that all life is interconnected on the planet from their reality to our reality; from second density to third density... and there are warnings on all levels...
(J) Yeah: “See what is happening to the frogs now, wait and see what is going to happen to you guys later! (B) Right.
(T) But this is because the ozone layer is depleted... but the ozone layer is depleting because of the chemicals we are dumping into the atmosphere, it is not going away, it is dissolving into other chemicals.
(L) But the Cassiopaens said that the ozone was depleting because of the wave.
(T) But, is the relationship of the ozone being depleted and the approaching wave, perhaps that the wave isn’t causing the depletion, it’s the Lizzies causing us to deplete the ozone layer in order to create suffering, in order to feed on this negative energy because of the approaching wave?
(L) Is the wave causing the ozone depletion?
A: Not directly.

Q: (L) But is the wave causing people to behave in a certain way so that they do things that cause...
A: You are getting warm...

Q: (L) The wave is causing the activities of the Lizzies to heat up as well as the good guys, and it is part of the conflict...
A: Colder...

Q: (T) Drop the Lizzies...
(L) It is causing the destined actions to take place that are necessary for the closing of the Grand Cycle?
A: Close.

Q: (L) And the dying off of the frogs is part of this? Poor little frogs... I like frogs...
A: So are “earth changes.”

Q: (J) Is the depletion of the ozone layer a part of the equation required for the wave...
A: In third density reality, it is important.

Q: (J) So, it is part of the natural progression of movement from third to fourth?
A: Let’s try using the word “reflection,” and see if that “rings a bell.” Third into fourth.

Q: (L) Are the frogs going into fourth density?
A: No. No. No.

Q: (T) There were several questions in there. You said third into fourth...
A: And vice versa.

Q: (L) Well, I’m more confused than ever! (T) Reflection...
A: If you had been studying transcripts, you would not be!

Q: (T) Reflection is... there has been statements made that in sixth density STS balances STO in reflection only.
A: Ice cold.

Q: [Booo!] (J) Is the ozone layer a hole that allows it to reflect in both directions?
A: No.

Q: (L) Are new frogs being created to populate the earth?
A: Okay, here we go: Oncoming wave is a transformation from third density to fourth density so, events happening due to the approach of the wave are causing changes across densities and realities! In third density, you will notice changes that will have third density explanations, but they are a manifestation of the approach; you see them as third density because that is your current point of reference! Remember that all reflects in and cross all density levels but also there is a merging upon arrival of the wave, it is realm border crossing!!!!!!

Q: (J) Well, we are once again thinking third density. Please be patient with us. We aren’t finished yet.
(S) Does that mean we are half-baked?
(T) Or half frogged! (L) I just thought that the Lizzies might like frog legs. [Laughter] (T) The Lizzies are French?
(F) I read something last night that said a scientist had been working at one of the bases, or he was a tech working at a super-secret complex somehwere, and he was working on something in some underground room and the elevator door opened and he saw, standing there, right before his eyes, a Lizard Being. He said that the elevator must have been malfunctioning because it wasn’t supposed to stop at that level, and he wasn’t supposed to see it. In another instance, someone saw two Grays working on something in a hangar and they were told by an MP to leave or they would be shot.
(L) Are these stories Fred is recounting about Lizzies being on elevators and Grays working in hangars, are these true stories or are they disinformation?
A: True.

Q: (L) Well, that settled that! Let me ask a couple of quick questions for my kid. She wants to know the source of the Voynich Manuscript.
A: Disinformation.

Q: (L) Who put it together?
A: Various sources.

Q: (L) Why?
A: Monetary gain.

Q: (L) So, somebody just faked up an ancient manuscript to sell it for big bucks?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Well, they did it with the Hitler diaries.
(L) Her next question is: how are some people able to walk on fiery coals, pierce their bodies all over, or lie on a bed of nails without pain or permanent physical disfigurement.
A: Mentalism.

Q: (L) What causes some planes, people and ships to disappear in the Bermuda Triangle. Where do they go and what happens to them?
A: Already covered this.

Q: (S) Yeah, the Atlantean pyramid.
A: Yes. EM waves caused by same.

Q: (L) Where do they go when they disappear?
A: Of course some are just crashes and sinkings, but when accompanied by unusual phenomena, it is because of irregular anomalies.

Q: (L) Where do they go?
(T) They don’t go anywhere, they go to the bottom. (S) Fifth density.
A: To parallel reality.

Q: (L) Is this parallel reality like being on a parallel earth?
A: No.

Q: (L) What do you mean by a parallel reality?
A: Varies according to circumstances.

Q: (L) What happened to the infamous Flight 19?
(T) They went to Philadelphia.
A: They are still trying to get their bearings.

Q: (L) Ooooh! (J) Oh! My God! Oh, how horrible! They are still out there trying to get back.
(T) They are in a parallel reality...
(L) Where time doesn’t exist...
(T) They are in a reality that holds them in frozen space/time over the ocean, am I getting this right?
A: In their thought reference, like being “lost souls.”

Q: (L) Oooh, bummer! Does this mean that they are “stuck” in time?
(J) You got it!
A: Bingo!

Q: (L) Is there any possibility that they could fly out of this place that they are stuck in and back into our reality?
A: Absolutely, remember, the wave is approaching, and as it gets “nearer”, more and more unusual events take place, witness crop circles, for example.

Q: (L) Is there anything anyone can do to release persons stuck in these parallel realities and bring them back into the reality of origin?
A: Yes, but the technology is a closely guarded secret.

Q: (L) Do you know the secret?
A: Yes, but you do too!

Q: (L) I do too?
(T) Does Thor know it? [Laughter.]
A: Mirth!

Q: (L) I know the secret too?...
A: Philadelphia Experiment.

Q: (L) Since you mentioned the Philadelphia Experiment, could you tell us in specific detail, how this was done? What kind of machines were used and how can we build one? [General uproar and laughter]
A: Do you intend to sit here for a day or two?

Q: (J) In other words, it would take a day or two to give us the information?
(T) Yeah, we got the time. Get some paper and a pencil. (L) We will save that for another time.
(T) Let’s start with a diagram and send it to Thor.
A: In short, build an EM generator.

Q: (L) Here’s another of the kid’s questions: When and why did homosexuality originate?
A: It originated when sexuality did.

Q: (L) What is the world’s oldest language, at least of those known to today’s world?
A: Sanskrit.

Q: (L) What is the origin of Sanskrit?
A: Atlantean roots.

Q: (L) What is the karma involved with Siamese twins and why are some more joined than others?
A: too complex and not important.

Q: (L) Okay, that is the last of her questions, at the present time we would like to go through some....
A: Now, some more information about Flight 19. Do you remember a few years ago that a team of researchers claimed to have found the planes, then retracted?

Q: (L) Yes, I remember. [All agree.]
A: Did you find this to be curious?

Q: (S) Yes, because the planes that they found were never reported missing.
(T) Yes.
(L) Is that why it was so curious?
(J) Why did they retract?
(S) Where did the planes come from that they found?
A: Yes, if only you knew the details, and how three of the team have required massive psychiatric aid.

Q: (L) Well, tell us the details!
A: Patience, we are, but must do so slowly so you have some hope of grasping it.

Q: (T) Three of the recovery team needed psychiatric treatment?
A: What they found were five planes matching the description, and “arranged” in a perfect geometric pattern on the bottom of the ocean, but the serial numbers did not match.

Q: (L) Is the geometric pattern itself significant?
A: Now, first mystery: There were no other instances of five Avengers disappearing at once. Second: Two of the planes had strange glowing panels with unknown “hieroglyphics” where ther should have been numbers. Third: When they tried to raise one of the planes, it vanished, then reappeared, then vanished again then reappeared while attached to the guidewire, then fianlly slipped off and fell to the bottom. Fourth: In one of the planes, on the bottom, live human apparitions in WWII uniforms were temporarily seen by three exploratory divers and videotaped by a guide camera. Lastly: Three of the planes have since disappeared. All of this is, naturally, being kept secret!

Q: (S) I wonder where the planes came from.
(L) That is the obvious question!
A: Parallel reality, you see, when something crosses into another reality, it accesses something called, for lack of a better term, the “thought plane”, and as long as that reality is misunderstood, the window remains open, thus all perceptions of possibility may manifest concretely, though only temporarily, as thought plane material is constantly fluid.

Q: (L) Does this mean that this was a “Flight 19” of a parallel reality that went through a window into our reality?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Was this part of or connected to the loss of our “Flight 19?” Did we exchange realities here?
A: It is the thought patterns that effect the reality, when that window is opened, all thought can become physical reality, though only temporarily.

Q: (L) Does this mean that the divers’ and searchers’ thoughts about this became reality?
A: And all others.

Q: (T) All others involved in the search?
A: All others on the planet.

Q: (T) Even those that did not believe that the searchers were going to find them?
A: Yes. Researchers found what they expected to find, but when others heard the news, other things started to happen according to which thought patterns dominated.

Q: (L) So, in other words, if somebody believed that it was Flight 19, it appeared, and if somebody did not believe it was Flight 19, it disappeared?
A: Yes.

Q: (J) Oh jeez! (T) Well, I didn’t believe it to begin with...
(L) So, I guess we won! (F) We sent some poor guys into the psychiatric ward.
(T) The planes appeared because people...
(L) No, I think the searchers went looking for this and because there was a window there...
(T) the planes showed up exactly as they expected to see them, in a formation... But the planes would not have come down as described there, and they appeared in a formation on the bottom. That should have told the searchers something right there. When I heard that they had found those planes in a formation, that close together, that bothered me.
(F) Even if something sinks to the bottom, it won’t arrive there in the position it started at the top. (T) And what they did find after they started checking the records, was that there are about 200 of those planes crashed along the coast. And, there was another guy who said that he found one of those planes, only it wasn’t one of Flight 19. And, while he was out there looking for it, he found parts of the shuttle...
(L) That reminds me, when the Challenger crashed, were the astronauts still alive when they hit the water, and did they continue to live for any length of time after they hit?
A: Four were alive but died instantly on impact with the water.

Q: (L) Are we done with the Bermuda Triangle?
(T) I have a question... what happened to the PBA plane that went out searching for Flight 19?
A: Still trying to find the Avengers.

Q: (T) Is it in the same parallel reality with Flight 19?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Will it ever find them?
A: ?

Q: (L) In the perception of the crew of Flight 19, how much time has passed?
A: None.

Q: (J) So, they have no idea.
(S) I wonder if they will come back to our time or go back to their time?
A: Your perception.

Q: (L) We talked aboout doing a DNA count...
A: Will not answer. Up to you to discover.

Q: (L) Jan went through an experience lately, what does it relate to? Is it significant?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What does it signify?
A: Awareness expansion.

Q: (L) Jan wanted to ask if there is any significance to the trashy confrontations currently on talk shows?
A: Immaterial.

Q: (L) Jan also wants to know what is seratonin?
A: Laura answer.

Q: (L) Seratonin is a hormone secreted by the Pineal gland and is also secreted in the mid-brain and is related to feelings of well-being, mood altering, and you suffer from lack of seratonin if you don’t get enough sleep. The other day we were discussing the fact that infants on mother’s milk do not produce much waste. Is there any diet that adult humans could eat that would be assimilated as well?
A: Less, but for no waste, just wait for fourth density.

Q: (L) We would like to know what the Christian Cross represents at a deeper level?
A: Part of the Lizzie disinformation campaign, sorry!

Q: (L) I thought that! Remember, the cross represents the “death” which never occurred.
(J) The reason we wanted to ask that was because Brad wanted to know if the symbol had anything to do with “Realm Border Crossing.”
A: Cross is “cross” in English only.

Q: (L) Sometime ago we ask some questions about different lifetimes and S__ was told that she spent four sequences held over as a “special learning channel” or “hold back on contemplative level.” What does that mean?
A: Self-explanatory.

Q: (J) I hate it when they say that.
A: Learn!

Q: (L) Wait a minute, there is a distinction: was she the one doing the learning or was she helping someone else to learn? I understand “learning channel.” (T) It’s on cable...
A: Both.

Q: (L) It wasn’t because she was bad? She didn’t get “held back in school?”
A: Improper concept.

Q: (S) Why, when holding accupuncture points on Laura, do I get the sweats?
A: Because you are undergoing changes relating to the approach of the wave.

Q: (L) Is this significant of the work she is doing?
A: Unrelated.

Q: (L) Has Jan’s brother ever been abducted?
A: No.

Q: (J) Is there any elitism involved in interactions between other densities?
A: What?

Q: (L) I guess not. We have heard some things about D__ W__. We have heard that he was behind the E__ P__ fiasco. Is this true?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Well, then goodnight.
A: Goodnight.

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April 15, 1995

Freddie, Laura, Terry and Jan

Q: (T) Good evening. Who do we have with us tonight?
A: Good evening!

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
A: Shoura.

Q: (L) And where are you from?
A: Not from, but you know as Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Alright. Long time, no see!
A: Oh yes!

Q: (L) Did we communicate with you when it was just S__, Terry and Jan and I?
A: Fragmented.

Q: (L) But it was you, fragmented?
A: Some.

Q: (T) Not all of it was you?
A: Like conflicting signals on radio.

Q: (T) Should we continue working with changing people on the board so that we can all work on the channel so that the channel will open for all of us?
A: Vague.

Q: (J) Do you recommend switching people on the board?
A: We recommend that which you feel is best.

Q: (L) Now, the pressing question: What has been happening to us?
A: We have warned repeatedly of attack!!

Q: (L) Was this ordeal we have just gone through an attack?
A: Of course.

Q: (L) What made us vulnerable?
A: Your work.

Q: (L) Was there anything having to do with any one of us contributing to this vulnerability?
A: Open.

Q: (J) Was anything that happened conscious with anyone?
A: Is this your inquiry?

Q: (J) Yes.
A: Then answer from within.

Q: (L) That doesn’t help. Anna said that, even as a kid, she could have straightened it out between us without even trying.
(J) Well, maybe S__ just wasn’t cut out to be a mediator.
A: Okay.

Q: (J) What were the intentions of this attack?
A: S__ is insecure. Have you not noticed?

Q: (J) Yeah.
(T) But insecurity is not a problem as far as that goes.
A: Problems are according to circumstances.

Q: (L) Well, that still leaves us in a bit of a quandary...
A: Do you employ a maid to fly a passenger jet?

Q: (T) So, the wrong person was doing the wrong thing. It wasn’t her fault.
A: But relaying of messages is sensitive issue.

Q: (J) There is a clue there. Who indicated that she should relay messages between you and Freddie?
(L) Nobody, I guess.
A: Was spur of moment “flow.” Plot course carefully, so as not to run aground.

Q: (T) We are doing Chinese fortune cookies tonight.
(L) Well, I still feel a little bit hurt that everything I said was simply not understood and that the things Freddie said, had they been conveyed exactly as he said them, would have brought the problem to an immediate halt. What should have been repeated was not and what should not have been repeated was.
A: True. Attack is most purposeful! Watch all portholes.

Q: (L) So, in other words, S__ may have been an instrument of attack unwittingly?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Was any part of this attack connected to those women in that Metaphysical church or Judy and Yvonne in Spring Hill?
A: Open.

Q: (T) When Terry saw this event in the cards he read for me, he saw three women in attack mode. Did that reading represent this event?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Now, we have three names here and these are people who are involved with Barrie and Susy Konicov. She called last week sometime and wanted us to get a “take” on these people. The way that Barrie phrased the question was: “How do these people plan to play him?” Or, what are their intentions. First name is Carl Grancy.
A: User.

Q: (L) Mark of Michigan.
A: Harmless.

Q: (L) Karen Hilton?
A: Other interests, losing connection to Barrie.

Q: (L) Does this just mean that she is there for the time and is planning on moving on eventually?
A: Close.

Q: (J) I want to ask about the fact that there has been some stuff that has come out lately that is an about-face of things that have always been the status quo. Disney’s change of programming and their production of the Alien video, the recently released film that has been accused of being blasphemous; McNamara about face about Viet Nam. Is there any significance to this?
A: All explained by previous answers, of which you are well versed, i.e. preparatory foundation.

Q: (J) The foundation is being set for the changes to come. These events do have significance.
A: You know this, which is why there is recognition.

Q: (T) They are priming the country for a number of major reversals in policy and so forth.
(J) I don’t even think it is necessarily that. Isn’t it just a reversal of known values?
A: All of above.

Q: (L) Is it necessary for me to have surgery to fix my shoulder?
A: Be careful not to be misled.

Q: (L) Is that about the surgery?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Will my arm get well on its own?
A: Can.

Q: (J) How?
(T) You ought to get a second or even a third opinion.
A: Yes. Surgery is profitable.

Q: (L) Can you recommend something that I can do other than surgery?
A: Heat therapy combined with dietary adjustment.

Q: (J) What dietary adjustments?
A: Calcium, manganese, starch cutback and potassium supplement, only use distilled water in order to flush solid obstructions!

Q: (L) Well, that is the most comprehensive piece of physical advice they have ever given.
(J) No kidding.
A: You are in pain, my dear, and when you hurt, all others do too!

Q: (J) That was sweet. Moist heat or dry heat?
A: Moist?

Q: (L) Reiki?
A: Yes. When ligaments are damaged, it is often a function of calcium obstruction.

Q: (L) Is the bony prominence that shows up in the x-ray on the Coracoid prominence, a build-up against which the tissues have torn?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, it is not a broken piece, is that correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Wasn’t S__ telling you about that? A projection will tear the tissue like a piece of fabric.
(L) Alright. Before we get on to other subjects, my mom wants to know what causes her abdominal distress?
A: Muscle atrophy.

Q: (T) She needs to exercise more.
(L) Is that correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) I recently got a flyer from the Human Potential Foundation about this super duper conference being held in Washington. I would be really interested in that. Could we or should we plan on trying to attend that one?
A: Waste of time.

Q: (L) That’s pretty definite.
(J) We have enough on our plate.
(L) In the book here, “Mysterious Fires and Lights,” there is a whole segment on the idea that certain lights that have been called UFOs of a specific sort, which perform in a specific way, and this is not including all by any means, may actually be living creatures of some sort that manifest in our reality. And, that they seem to have a consciousness, and a purpose, but they don’t manifest as “real” UFOs. Is this, in some cases correct?
A: Check publishing date for currency of theoretical data.

Q: (L) Okay, it is published in 1967.
(T) Well, so much for that! (L) Well, it’s not a stupid idea. Like ball lightening. It has been known to demonstrate intelligent behavior, kind of like a curious puppy. What is ball lightening?
A: Would be hard to “get attached” to such a pet.

Q: (L) I know that, but is it sentient? Is it a probe of some sort?
A: No.

Q: (T) It is just a very strange electrical phenomenon.
A: Close.

Q: (L) The other night when we were working without Freddie, we got some information that indicated that Freddie was in danger via the government. Is that true or was that true?
A: Partly.

Q: (L) What is the source of this danger?
A: Source?

Q: (L) I mean like, the IRS, the FBI, the CIA, or what?
A: Not initialled as such.

Q: (L) Is this physical danger or just harassment danger?
A: Mind attack for purpose of self-destruction.

Q: (L) Is there anything that can be done to shield against this kind of attack?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What can be done for shielding?
A: Knowledge input on a continuous basis.

Q: (L) And what form should this knowledge take? Does this mean channeled information, books, videos, what?
A: All and other.

Q: (L) A specific other?
A: Networking of information now, warning!!! All others will very soon experience great increase of same type of attack, two of you have had episodes in past from same source for similar reasons, but now your association puts you in different category!! Remember all channels and those of similar make-up are identified, tracked, and “dealt with.”

Q: (T) Which two have experienced similar types of attack?
A: Up to you to identify for learning.

Q: (J) I’m pretty sure I’m one of them because I have been way down mentally and emotionally.
(T) Is Jan one of the two?
(J) I know I’m one.
A: Suicidal thoughts?

Q: (L) Have you had suicidal thoughts?
(J) No.
(T) Not me.
(Fred) I have had them constantly.
(T) Laura, did you?
(L) I was pretty damn low. I wasn’t contemplating suicide, I was just thinking how nice it would be if we could just turn out the lights and end the illusion.
(T) Okay, so we have identified the two, you and Freddie.
(L) So, in other words Jan, it is going to get worse.
(Fred) Didn’t they say two others?
(L) I guess they are saying that a similar thing can happen.
(T) If we don’t work together on this, we are going to lose the whole thing. (J) Okay, ask about the card reading Terry did tonight?
(T) Was it accurate?
A: Close.

Q: (T) Was the reading referring to the same thing you are now referring to?
A: Close.

Q: (T) So, we have the knowledge and all we have to do to prevent the attacks from being nasty?
A: You do not have all the awareness you need! Not by any means!

Q: (J) Is one of the reasons why this whole thing between Freddie and Laura happened to show us that we could establish, albeit a very weak and very jumbled, connection with the channel without Freddie’s presence. A sort of verification of the channel’s integrity. Was that one of the byproducts of this, or one of the purposes of it?
A: Byproduct is good way of putting it. Remember, all there is is lessons.

Q: (L) The attack was more internal in terms of doubt, not only of the channel and the information, but of the very foundations of existence. I mean, the realization that we may not be at the top of the food chain was shattering.
(T) That snowballed on its own once the initial conflict was established.
(J) Maybe the way to look at it is: yes, we went through all this crap, and you and Freddie went through all this anguish, but maybe one good thing that came out of it, and maybe wasn’t intended, was the fact that yes, we were able to see that there is a channel separate and distinct from all of us. It is not dependent on any one of us to be present. Yes, we do need to have all of us together for optimum contact...
A: All are able to channel, but practice is required to establish the same extent of grooving but be aware of ramifications!

Q: (L) What ramifications?
A: Observe Freddie.

Q: (T) We are observing you.
(J) Yeah. And?
(F) I think what they mean is, when you can channel as I can, because I channel almost continuously, this has a good side and a bad side. Now, the good side you know. The bad side you don’t know. The bad side is very hard to live with. I cannot even describe the state of my mind.
(L) I would like to have practical advice and guidance on what we can to do to fend off or prevent psychic attack. We know that knowledge and awareness is important, but any words of wisdom or advance things that can be given would be appreciated.
A: Daily prayer helps.

Q: (L) Something else came up here a couple of days ago, right out of the blue: after not having heard anything from her for months and months, V__ gave me a call and wanted to stop by with a poem for me to read. What she told me that one of the reasons she dropped out of the group was that she had been under such massive attack. She believes that the attack came because she had been participating and working on the board and that this brought on the attachment, or something, and that what we are doing is “questionable.” Now, during the time we had not been hearing from her, she called the Reverend at the Metaphysical Church who caused me so much trouble before, to ask for her help and advice, and then she contacted the woman “Vanessa” whom we had asked about before. Vanessa, apparently, did a release for V__. Could you tell us what was afflicting V__?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Whatever it was, did it come by her association with us and this work?
A: No.

Q: (L) Did she have an attachment?
A: Has from times past and time to time.

Q: (L) Does it come and go with her?
A: Can.

Q: (L) Did Vanessa help her in releasing her attachment?
A: Open.

Q: (L) What was V__’s agenda in suddenly dumping this in my lap?
A: Wants to reestablish contact.

Q: (J) Contact with Laura or the channel?
A: Both.

Q: (J) Does she want back into the group?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Is there anything you wish to tell us before we shut down for the night?
A: Reread information given about attack warning and discuss amongst yourselves for strengthening of learning and knowledge base for purposes of protection and ultimately, survival!! Goodnight.

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April 18, 1995

Freddie and Laura

Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us this evening?
A: Tikloria.

Q: (L) And where are you from?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Have you been listening to our tape from Thor Templar?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do you have any rebuttal to make to his accusations of irrelevance?
A: Is rebuttal necessary?

Q: (L) Well, no, not for me, and, quite frankly, I don’t think I will respond to him so it doesn’t really matter. Is it alright if we ask some questions about the situation that has transpired here over the last month or so?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, is there anyway I can access the information I need because we need to make some kind of assessment of what occurred here.
A: Open.

Q: (L) Have we ever had a person in our group or in our room here, who was sent here deliberately to break up our interaction?
A: If so, that is for you to discover for purposes of learning and growth.

Q: (L) Is that part of what has been taking place here?
A: Good chance.

Q: (L) Well, that is getting close.
A: Remember one can be manipulated by another.

Q: (L) In this case, who was the one being manipulated?
A: We mean that one can appear to be an “agent” when in actuality, control is originating elsewhere, this is especially true when the apparent “agent” is one of a good and simple and seemingly stable nature.

Q: (L) Okay, you are saying the control could be originating elsewhere. Is that correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Would that control be third density or fourth density?
A: Either, or elements of both.

Q: (L) In this particular case, I would much prefer to think that someone was being used or manipulated by other forces. But, in that case, that could be a loose cannon, so to speak. Am I correct?
A: Up to your discretion.

Q: (L) Can we identify the source of control in this particular case?
A: We mentioned discovery and learning earlier.

Q: (L) So, we have to figure this one out?
A: Will benefit you greatly in “future” to do so.

Q: (F) Why is that?
A: In order to recognize “symptoms,” which may be common occurrence.

Q: (L) In this case, we have discussed it, and it seems that it has already become a common occurrence. Persons come in and are all excited and they put in energy or money or whatever, and they are all gung-ho, and then they become a disruption.
A: Yes. You are already learning.

Q: (L) Recently V__ came to visit and said that she had an episode with an attachment. Did she have an attachment from this work?
A: No. Hormonal fluctuations.

Q: (L) She called Vanessa and Vanessa did a cleansing on her. Did this help her with her hormonal fluctuations?
A: No.

Q: (L) A few weeks ago I did a hypnosis session with my son. In this hypnosis session, he seemed to go back through a memory of flying a plane, an EC 135, I believe. He seemed to go through the crash and so forth. Was this a fairly accurate recall on his part?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) The most interesting part of the session was when he described smelling something strange in the hold of the plane, that the cargo smelled strange. Was this an accurate memory?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) When I asked him what it smelled like, he said it smelled garbagy or something really horrible like sewage. Was that a correct memory?
A: Close.

Q: (L) When I asked him if he knew what it was at a higher level, he said that it had something to do with aliens. Was that correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was he, in fact, transporting something having to do with alien-human interactions?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Then, something happened as he was flying along, he seemed to be flying over the same spot twice and it startled him. Did this, in fact, happen?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And it seems, after he was flying over the same spot the second time, that he said the smell was gone, the cargo was gone. Did this, in fact, happen?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was his plane, himself, and his co-pilot abducted in flight by aliens?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Were they then shot down deliberately by the United States Government?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Was his memory of the actual situation, as he was shot down, fairly accurate?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does he need more work on this issue to clear it?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Should I take him through the same thing over again more than one time?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, the other night we were talking about the episode when I was three or four years old and saw the face at the window that said to me: “No matter where you go you cannot hide. When the time comes, we will find you.” When I had that experience, who or what did I see at the window?
A: Gray.

Q: (L) And what was the message, exactly?
A: Just as given.

Q: (L) What is it that they were trying to convey to me? Is it that, in point of fact, that they are going to find me or do something to me or with me at some point in the future?
A: Not yet able to inform.

Q: (L) You are not yet able to give me this information?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why is this?
A: No.

Q: (L) When I was with Dr. Zanghi who was doing a hypnotic regression with me, he asked why I was being abducted. At that moment, in response to that question, a scene appeared to me of a sort of Greek Temple with a lot of “patriarch” types in long robes and wearing beards, who were teaching me and then sending me out to do something. What was this memory?
A: Not yet, Laura!

Q: (L) Well, that sounds foreboding. That sounds scary to me that you can’t tell me? Is this something I should be frightened about?
A: No.

Q: (L) Is this something that I am supposed to do that I can’t yet know?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Now, obviously, in my opinion, and this is just my opinion, there is some sort of destiny where Freddie and I are concerned. Is this correct?
A: Most likely.

Q: (F) That sounds like a cross between a “yes” and an “open.” (L) Is it true, as we have surmised, that ever since our meeting, person after person has been sent in to attempt to disrupt our relationship. Is this correct?
A: Maybe.

Q: (F) I think we can read that in the direction of a yes.
(L) Can I ask at what point in time this interaction will be fully activated?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Ahhh. They are trickier than I am. Was I correct in the flash of insight I had the other night that nearly caused a coronary, of seeing the skies opening and all sorts of beings just pouring into our reality?
A: Yes. But is it prophecy, or current reality?

Q: (L) Oh, god! (F) Well, the thought I was having just a couple of days ago, (is that when you had this?) okay, the thought I was having was along very similar lines. It is that everything is happening right now, it is just our perception of it that is lagging behind. Instead of what we have always thought, that one day the veil would be ripped open because of some cosmic event, it just may be that the veil is being opened individual by individual. Then one day it will be the last group that doesn’t know anything and then it will fly open. What is really happening is not that the UFOs will someday be invading, it is just that because of some perception, we do not see that it is happening now. Karla Turner described it as the “End of the World,” and for her and her family, it was.

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April 22, 1995

Freddie, Laura, Terry and Jan.

Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us this evening?
A: Lioa.

Q: (L) And where are you from?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) We have a couple of personal questions for the Konicovs. Are you willing to answer those questions for them?
A: Konikovs prone to vendetta.

Q: (L) They are prone to do vendetta’s themselves?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Are they the object of some sort of vendetta?
A: All inclusive.

Q: (T) All inclusive of what?
A: Mindset.

Q: (J) Are they paranoid?
A: Okay.

Q: (L) Well, they have four names. Can I give the names and you give a response to each name? These are people they have been associated with and they would like to know...
A: We do not wish to be used for personal life direction by those who take an outwardly orientation. We have given answers for these people before, and you do not know what they have done with information.

Q: (L) Violette wanted to ask is the Naropa Institute in Boulder would be a good place for her to go to school?
A: More on previous subject: Suggest tread softly and use diplomacy, not what Terry suggested!

Q: (L) Yes, we don’t want to tick them off.
(J) Well, I don’t like to lie.
(L) Well, there are lies that are okay lies and there are lies that are hurt lies...
A: Yes. After further “online” connection with Konikovs, will communicate helpful information.

Q: (L) Do you want me to get them on the phone?
A: That was in “quotes.”

Q: (L) Violette and I talked about points of entry of discarnates. I remember that Jan talked about something getting her on the back of the neck as she was sitting at the computer. I would like to know if there is any common entry point for these kinds of connections?
A: No.

Q: Can it occur at any place?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is the back of the neck a common place?
A: Common?

Q: (J) Do they find your physical weak spots and enter there?
A: Physical is not issue.

Q: (L) So, they find your auric weak spots?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Are your auric weak spots sometimes reflected in your physical?
A: All is possible.

Q: (L) During the time that we all had the pains in our shoulders, was this a psychic attack?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Well, you said that this was evidence of DNA changes. Was it that?
A: How does one learn?

Q: (L) Since we are not equipped to examine genetic material and find out about DNA changes, we are kind of relying on you to tell us when DNA changing is going on. You indicated at the time that this was DNA changes.
A: Network.

Q: (L) Is there anything going on with this heating up process, this feeling of being hot?
A: Paranoia will destroy ya.

Q: (L) Well, I’m not being paranoid. In seriousness, is there anything going on with vibrational changes. Is this heat a reflection of this?
A: In seriousness, no.

Q: (T) When we do the channeling and Reiki does that generate body heat?
A: Higher energy.

Q: (T) Does that translate into heat?
A: Yes in third density.

Q: (L) When I was reading our little bit about Oak Island the other day, I noticed that we never followed up on certain things. Could we ask on that now?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, you said at that time that a Transdimensional Atomic Remolecularizer was buried at Oak Island. Is that correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who buried it there?
A: Learn.

Q: (L) Well, we are getting ready to learn because you are going to teach us, is that correct?
A: You already have tools.

Q: (L) What do you mean we already have tools?
A: We are trying to teach you to use your most precious commodity.

Q: (L) And that is, of course, our minds?
A: You betcha!

Q: (L) Speaking of precious commodities, since my accident, my brain has been doing some very strange things. When I write, I transpose letters. I get blank spots. I have been doing some other very strange things, playing with seeing if I know something and then discovering that I do. It is really kind of strange and I wonder if that accident had anything to do with these strange happenings?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, when I hit my head, I really hit my head! (J) Scrambled your brains.
A: Not issue.

Q: (L) What is the issue? Can you tell me exactly what it did to my head?
A: Not issue.

Q: (L) What is the issue?
(J) We were talking about learning.
(L) Did this event do something to help me learn in a different way?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Then, I shouldn’t worry about it.
(T) Now you have to learn to work with it.
(J) Let’s not get sidetracked.
(L) Let’s go back to Oak Island. Okay. What I read about Oak Island was that there were legends of lights being seen there prior to 1703.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Prior to 1703 would put the burial of whatever is there at least prior to that time, correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Were those lights the lights of craft of other beings other than the natives of this planet?
A: Electromagnetic profile.

Q: (L) What was noticed when the kids arrived on the Island was that a limb was sawed off of a tree over the depression and there were marks of the rope and pulleys had been utilized.
(T) If something more advanced dug the pit, they wouldn’t have used chain hoists and pullys.
(L) That is what I am getting at. So, if there was evidence of this kind of stuff on the tree, it would seem to indicate that somebody had been doing something there who was a little more human or limited in their technology, is that correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Now, my thought is that, it is beyond human technology to have produced that pit at that point in history?
A: Beyond known technology.

Q: (L) And yet humans may have been involved in that activity?
A: Bingo.

Q: (J) Think back to when we were talking about it and you mentioned the lights.
A: Some humans have always communed with “higher” powers.

Q: (L) So, humans my have actually...
(J) Like those little kids that broke into those houses and did all that damage. They could have done it themselves, but they had to be directed to do it. I think it is a good analogy.
A: Not good analogy, we are speaking of conscious communion in this and other and

Q: (L) Okay, there was conscious communion between humans and other powers in the building of this pit. What group of humans was this?
A: It’s fun learn.

Q: (J) How about pirates?
(L) Well, who was in this area? Eskimos?
A: No.

Q: (L) Indians?
A: Keep going, network.

Q: (L) There was the French and the English. How about the Vikings?
(F) No, the Vikings were 600 years before that.
(T) Well, we don’t know how long ago the pit was dug.
(J) I’m still... yeah, good question.
(L) When was the pit dug?
A: 1500s. Nationality is not issue.

Q: (T) Well, this pit was dug sometime in the middle of the 1500s. (J) And it was discovered in the 1700s.
A: Access sect information.

Q: (L) So, it could have been a religious group.
A: Now, who claimed communion, Laura has in memory banks from absorption of mass
reading practice.

Q: (F) Was there a sect from that era that claimed communion?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) I think that this may have had something to do with the people that later became known as the Cajuns, a French religious sect that was living there...
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Now, this article says that it would have taken a hundred men working every day for six months to have built this pit...
A: No.

Q: (L) The article also says that it must have been dug in 1780...
A: No.

Q: (L) When they drilled into the pit, some bits of gold came up and a piece of parchment and maybe some other odds and ends. What were these?
A: Alchemy.

Q: (T) The remolecularizer made it.
(L) Why not? If these people were involved in doing this, why did they do it?
A: Instructed to do it.

Q: (L) They were instructed by the higher powers they were in contact with, correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What did they intend to do with it once it was there? Did someone intend to come back for it at some point in time?
A: No.

Q: (J) Maybe it was a lesson.
(T) Is it buried there in that location for a specific reason?
A: Sure.

Q: (L) Does it do something?
(T) Does the location itself have something to do with the purpose of it?
A: Magnetic.

Q: (T) Are there other ones buried on the planet?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Are they aligned to each other on the planet in some kind of geometric pattern?
A: Maybe.

Q: (T) Do they all work together?
A: Maybe.

Q: (T) Oh, we’re getting too close now, they don’t want to tell us. (J) Can you tell us where some of the other ones are?
A: Use mind, that is what it is there for.

Q: (T) We are using our minds. And, we are talking to you about this. We are friendly.
A: Shortcut city.

Q: (T) Yeah! That’s what it is all about. We are still third density! If we use...
A: It’s not nice to fool Mother Cassiopaea!

Q: [Laughter] (T) Mirth! If we were to follow the coordinates where this thing is buried, would it lead us to others?
A: Try it and see. When L__ said he wanted to hunt for buried treasure, do you think he had this in mind?

Q: (T) Is there a remolecularizer under us?
A: No.

Q: (L) Okay. I want to get back to the function of this thing. You say it is buried not to be dug up. It is actually buried to stay there? Is that correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Then that explains a lot of things about the way it was buried. There was found, at a certain level, a rock with carving on it. It was destroyed through carelessness. I am curious as to what this said. Can you access this and tell us what it said?
A: Measure marker.

Q: (J) Could it be possible that this device was somehow related to the crystal pyramid of Atlantis?
A: In a small sense.

Q: (J) Did the pyramid have anything to do with powering this device?
A: Yes.

Q: (J) It is obvious that the device was buried long after the pyramid was there, but it may have tapped into the power.
(L) Is this device continuously operational?
A: No.

Q: (L) What stimulates it to go into operation? That is, assuming it does.
A: Magnetic anomalies.

Q: (J) Is it affected by earthquakes?
A: Can be.

Q: (L) Are these magnetic anomalies ones that occur naturally on the planet?
A: Both.

Q: (L) So, they can occur naturally on the planet or they can be generated or stimulated by some other source?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) When this machine is activated, what happens?
A: Too vague.

Q: (J) Is this device a doorway for entry into this dimension?
A: Can be used as such.

Q: (J) Is it possibly a lock on a doorway into this dimension?
A: No.

Q: (J) Is it a focal point for entry into this dimension?
A: No.

Q: (T) Is it a stand-alone machine or is it to be used in conjunction with others?
A: Either.

Q: (J) Oh. So, they are networked together and if it is a small job, one can do it but if it is a big job they can all activate.
(T) Do each of them cover a certain area of the planet?
A: No.

Q: (T) You said that they don’t have to all work at the same time; they can work independently of each other? Are they positioned in such a way if something small happens only a couple of them kick in, but if something large happens, as many as necessary?
A: Okay.

Q: (T) Were they placed here to keep the planet stable in some sense?
A: Vague.

Q: (L) Who owns it?
A: Owns?

Q: (L) Who built it?
A: Answer for yourself, and enough, already on this subject!!!!

Q: (J) I think I just heard a door slam! (L) I want to go to the terrorist bomb attack that just happened. Can we talk about this?
A: You can always ask any and all questions, no need ask for permission, if unanswerable for any reason, we will let you know.

Q: (L) Okay. We received a prediction on this terrorist bomb attack on February 25th, at which time you said there would be a terrorist bomb attack in Washington D.C. within a month or thereabouts, which was related to an ongoing trial which was identified as the one of the Moslem terrorists who bombed the Twin Towers. Can you tell us if this is the bomb that was supposed to be set off in Washington, but was then moved to Oklahoma because of security intensification?
A: No.

Q: (L) Well, no terrorist bomb attack took place in Washington. Can you tell us why?
A: Yet.

Q: (L) It is yet to happen?
A: Open.

Q: (L) The bomb in Oklahoma is being connected to the Patriot movement. Is this, in point of fact, who is behind this attack?
A: There is no unified movement as such, in either purpose or direction. This is extremely fragmented!

Q: (J) I read that it may be related to the Branch Davidians.
(L) Is that true?
A: No.

Q: (J) Loose cannons?
(T) Are the one world government people behind it?
A: No.

Q: (L) Were the guys who did this just loose cannons?
A: Close.

Q: (L) So this was just...
(J) A couple of fruitcakes got together and...
(L) Fruited?
A: It is very easy to be manipulated, thus be confused and see demons where there are none and the opposite.

Q: (L) Are you saying that these guys were manipulated?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Can you identify the source of the manipulation?
A: Varied.

Q: (L) Can you give us a couple of hints, here. Name one of the sources of the manipulation?
A: Lizard race.

Q: (T) Name another.
A: All their agents conscious and otherwise.

Q: (L) Can you tell us who are some of the human Lizard agents?
(LM) Organizationally.
(L) We won’t tell!
A: All humans are at one “time” or another.

Q: (L) Yes. Nobody is immune to this manipulation. And that brings me back to the subject of the phone call from Scarlett the other day. I would like to know what was the motivation behind that phone call?
A: Dumping excess stuff.

Q: (L) It wasn’t in the nature of a fishing expedition?
(J) Or an attempt at reconciliation?
A: Maybe.

Q: (T) Well, that would be some of her excess stuff.
(L) Do you mean excess stuff in terms of her emotions or whatever?
A: Answers are easier when questions are pin pointed.

Q: (L) Did she call for reconciliation?
A: Unconsciously, maybe.

Q: (L) Did she call because that bunch at the Metaphysical Church put her up to it?
A: Ditto.

Q: (L) Is she still connected to Mike Forte?
A: Barely.

Q: (L) Well, it doesn’t matter. Why have the roaches been so crazy in the last week or so. They have really been outrageous.
A: Electromagnetism.

Q: (L) What is the source of this Electromagnetism?
A: EM field disturbance.

Q: (T) What has disturbed the field?
A: Seismic.

Q: (L) Where is it going to “seat.”
A: Open.

Q: (L) Well, I think something is going to happen because every time I have seen the roaches act this way, something has happened. Earthquakes, hurricanes, planes and so forth. What is the size and locus of it at this point?
A: Moving continuously.

Q: (L) Is this a fairly large disturbance?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Where was it before it came here?
A: Circling earth at 6500 r.p.m.

Q: (L) Per minute?
A: Yes.

Q: (LM) Is this subterranean or atmospheric?
A: Both.

Q: (L) What is the source of this EM disturbance?
A: Too complicated.

Q: (J) I hate it when they say that! (LM) How about in a nutshell? Is it a natural occurrence or is it being generated from other dimensions?
A: Natural.

Q: (L) Is it from some activity within the planet itself, or the planet’s reaction to cosmic waves?
A: In and around.

Q: (J) Is this a normal occurrence?
A: No.

Q: (J) Has this happened before?
A: Yes.

Q: (J) When?
A: Four months ago.

Q: (L) What happened four months ago?
A: Access memory.

Q: (T) Well, the Japanese earthquake happend four months ago.
(L) Is this what you are referring to?
A: Yes.

Q: (LM) Is it most likely to hit a fault again?
A: Open.

Q: (T) Is this going to show up as an earthchange of some kind?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Can you give us a prediction on it?
A: Open.

Q: (T) This has been going on for a while, now.
(L) About ten days I think.
(J) Is ten days accurate?
A: Close.

Q: (T) What is the general time period to play itself out?
A: Open.

Q: (T) Is it going to center on Laura’s house? [Laughter]
A: Open. If so, suggest “vacation.”

Q: [Laughter] (J) Any suggestions as to where they should go?
(LM) Los Angeles.
(T) That’s a good spot for the summer Olympics! I hear the U.S. Team has a real good chance of getting gold and breaking windows this year.
(L) Once again, I will ask for Violette if the Naropa institute is a good environment for her to continue her studies?
A: If she chooses.

Q: (L) My mother wants to know what are the ramifications of cremation. She has read some things on the subject and she is a little concerned about it.
(T) They don’t do it until after you’re dead.
A: None.

Q: (L) So, it’s okay to cremate the body and...
A: Body is third density not fifth density.

Q: (L) The reason she is concerned is because she read a book that says it takes a while for the soul to completely separate from the body and that there is a “cellular” consciousness that might experience pain for some time after death at least until every little cell dies individually. Is any of this true?
A: No. When the soul leaves, it leaves instantly. There is no body consciousness that remains and dies “slowly.” Once dead, dead.

Q: (T) The only pain it causes is to those selling cemetary lots and exhorbitant funerals who hope that the cremation trend does not continue! (F) If people continue to be buried, aren’t we going to run out of space?
(T) Some places are recycling the graveyards! I want to be cremated.
(LM) Let’s go outside! (T) Not right now! Not ‘til I’m dead, L__. Then it won’t hurt! [Laughter] (J) Ah, get some gasoline and come on outside! (LM) I was just kidding! [Laughter]
(T) Yes, we had our kitty, Mr. Scott cremated and when I die I want to be cremated and I want Mr. Scott’s remains poured in with me so I will have my kitty with me and Mr. Scott won’t be alone.
(L) That is very touching, Terry. A little sick, but touching.
(LM) Why don’t you grow some tomatoes and fertilize them with Mr. Scott and then you’ll have him with you.
(T) But, what goes in, must come out! And then he’d be gone!


Q: (T) A few sessions back you used the term “take.” What did this mean?
A: “Take” means what ever it is associated with.

Q: (J) I watched a couple of programs last night on television. One of them was about a man who was struck by lightening about 20 years ago and this strike greatly increased his psychic abilities. I was wondering if that is a normal by-product of being struck by lightening?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Do the enhanced psychic abilities remain or decline after a while?
A: Stays.

Q: (L) Did my blow to the head in the wreck I was in last December increase my psychic abilities?
A: Maybe.

Q: (J) We were watching a program about the pyramids in Egypt and they were saying that there was nothing magical or unusual about how the formula was arrived at by which the pyramids were built. Originally they were trying to measure it with tapes that stretched and are inaccurate. So, they decided that they used a measuring wheel which would have enabled them to do it without any great mathematical computation. Is that correct?
A: No.

Q: (L) You knew that.
(T) Is this why pi appears in the mathematics of the pyramid?
A: Take means subject. I.E. a different “take” on the subject.

Q: (J) So, we should take a different tack on a subject.
(LM) Well all the textbooks show a hundred thousand slaves rolling blocks on logs to build the pyramids.
(L) It was done with sound wave focusing.
A: Textbooks are propaganda.

Q: (T) Was it built the same way the Coral Castle was built?
A: Close.

Q: (L) I want my husband to get me a bucket seat and suspend it from the tree so that I spin in it. If I do this, will I develop strange abilities?
A: Yes, dizziness.

Q: (L) Did the guy who built the Coral Castle sit in his airplane seat suspended from the ceiling and spin in it?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Was the airplane seat suspended from the ceiling in his room part of how he did his work?
A: If you spin, it must be a precise method, not just spinning randomly.

Q: (L) Did he discover a precise method for spinning to do such things?
A: Open.

Q: (T) So many turns and precise direction?
(L) Can we follow up on this? Is there something on this moving things with sound that you can tell us?
(J) What about a precise method for spinning?
A: Suggest experimentation.

Q: (L) What is wrong with my ear?
A: Vague.

Q: (L) Something is wrong with my ear.
(J) Describe it.
(L) No, it’s too gross.
(J) Do it.
A: Fatty tissue.

Q: (L) That can’t be it! My ear is developing and exuding black tarry stuff. I think it is blood and ear wax mixed.
A: No. Fatty tissue.

Q: (L) Why is it doing this?
A: Inner ear.

Q: (T) Is there something wrong with Laura’s inner ear?
A: Not to worry about.

Q: (L) Have I been doing the right thing by using the peroxide, alcohol and vinegar?
A: Okay but easy does it.

Q: (L) Well, it’s only the one ear. The other ear is fine.
(T) Can you hear okay?
(L) Yes.
(J) Some people have real active wax production.
(L) But it is only one ear. And it is the ear I use the most.
A: Worry not.

Q: (T) Easy for them to say, they don’t have ears.
(L) Okay, a quick one here: am I going to get my settlement soon?
A: Open. Wait and see.

Q: (L) Yeah, but I am broke right now.
A: Have been before, and you survived.

Q: (L) I am so broke I can’t even buy food.
A: Will not last long.

Q: (L) Well, I have a lot of things I need to do. How am I going to pay for the conference, for example?
A: Faith. Time to say goodnight.

Q: Goodnight.

End of Session


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