March 4, 1995

Freddie, Laura, Terry and Jan, SV

Q: (T) Good evening.
A: Luck.

Q: (L) Is the luck with us at this time?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us this evening?
A: Not yet.

Q: (L) The luck is not yet with us?
A: Try not to second guess what we mean.

Q: (L) What does “luck” mean?
A: Nilionna from “Cassiopaea.”

Q: (L) What does the term “luck” refer to?
A: Discover.

Q: (L) Are we going to discover something very soon that is lucky for us as a group?
A: Second guessing!

Q: (T) Hi, Nilionna!
A: Hello.

Q: (L) Nilionna, have you been listening to our discussion?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) We have been discussing some control systems for our sessions.
A: Okay.

Q: (L) Are you saying that the control systems we are trying to set up are okay?
A: Yes. No time limit, though, when it is advantageous to stop for your benefit, the sessions will terminate.

Q: (L) In other words, we aren’t supposed to put a time limit on it.

(T) Cool, works for me.

(J) I had a thought, Laura, even though D__ was not present, her presence was felt before we opened up the channel because you are still torqued up about her. So she has had an effect.

(L) You want to ask that?

(J) Yes. Is D__ having an influence on the session because of her phone contact with Freddie and because of the way I reacted to her?
A: Perceptive of you, Jan!

Q: (L) Are we correct in what we have discussed, that her presence has a corrupting influence on the channel?
A: Clear.

Q: (L) What does that mean?

(T) The channel is clear.

(L) Is the channel clear right now?
A: Her.

Q: (L) She is clear?
A: Up.

Q: (L) I don’t understand?

(J) Clear her up.
A: Yes.

Q: (J) That is what we are going to do. She has made an appointment and it is in progress.

(T) She needs spirit release.

(L) On that subject, before we get going, let me ask about D__.
A: Enough said, remember, you have been learning slowly that personal issues hold minor significance. Terry’s dream was significant, however!!!!! Susan too!! And Fred has been sent same message as well.

Q: (L) Did you have a dream or message, Freddie?

(F) That’s true. I did have some funny feelings.

(T) Did you have something else?

(F) Well, I have received some stuff. Just the same kind of thing, that there is something that we are missing.

(T) Okay. We are missing a key topic or issue, here, that’s true.
A: 4th level STO!

Q: (L) Is that the title of the topic?
A: You have only thought of 4th level STS.

Q: (L) Ahhh! What Susan was talking about, we need to ask about the good guys.
A: They are the only ones who can help you defend yourselves against 4th level attack!!!! We give you information which is invaluable in nature, but remember we are 6th level STO, Beings of light, and on this density level there simply is no interference with free will no matter how detrimental to you!!!

Q: (T) 4th density STO beings can actually help in a meaningful way! We knew there was both sides, but we never asked. We have been concentrating on the Lizards.
(S) Yeah! There are 16 groups on both sides, and nobody has ever asked...

(J) And by concentrating on the Lizards, we have been feeding their f______ energy.

(F) Their damn energy.

(J) Their damn energy.

(T) That DARN energy! Who are these 4th density STO beings that we need to contact? Obviously we need to talk to them because they can talk to us. Sixth density “Us” can’t.
A: Orion Federation.

Q: (L) And who are the members of the Orion Federation?
A: Not yet.

Q: (L) What can you tell us?

(T) The Orion Federation is 4th density?
A: You have asked us to protect you, it is important for you to understand that
we are beyond that!

Q: (L) We understand that.

(J) I understand that.

(T) We understand that you, at 6th density, can’t interfere with free will on either side. But, the Orion Federation...
A: First, incorrect thought patterns which have become imbedded must be purged before you can move onto next subject.

Q: (J) It’s like: D__ must be purged before she can come back into this group, she must get rid of her incorrect thought patterns. We have incorrect thought patterns that must be removed also.

(L) What are they, Freddy?

(F) Don’t ask me. Ask them.

(J) Well, they’re not going to tell us that.

(T) Why not? Let’s ask.

(F) Yeah, if they are not going to tell us, they will tell us that they are not going to tell us.

(T) What are the incorrect thought patterns?
A: That we protect.

Q: (T) Well, you said that Knowledge protects. You have been providing knowledge.

(J) Uh uh.

(T) No?
A: Indirectly.

Q: (J) They are not really giving it to us, they are helping us to draw it out of ourselves.
A: We are providing invaluable information which becomes knowledge, but you are under attack, therefore, you could maybe use some direct power from the same density as the attack is coming from.

Q: (F) But, until you have total knowledge...

(L) You don’t have the kind of power we are talking about needing.

(F) Right. We would would need 500,000 pages of transcript to have that kind of knowledge, to get to that point.

(L) Okay, what is the phone number of the Orion Federation?

(S) Laura!

(T) That’s what I was going to ask. [Laughter.]

(L) How do we get hold of them?
A: Off the hook!

Q: (T) Uh oh! (L) They’re busy?

(T) Getting a lot of calls.

(L) Okay, guys, what do we need to do here?
A: Find a “Nordic.” They are on Earth posing as humans.

Q: (T) They are 4th density. I thought they...
A: Yes.

Q: (T) I thought that 4th density couldn’t hold the frequency that long and that is why the Lizards have so much trouble.

(J) They’re STS.
A: Not STO!

Q: (T) Very good, Jan hit it as they said it. The STS can’t stay, only the STO.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, we need to find a Nordic, do we know one?
A: Have seen them at meetings and such.

Q: (L) What kind of meetings.
(J) MUFON meetings?

Q: (T) I guess that means we are infiltrated over there.

(L) Was there one at last weeks meeting?
A: ?? Discover, remember these are among your protectors and Laura and Freddy know what level one attack is like, Terry, Jan and Susan are perilously close to finding out!

Q: (T) And we are working hard to not get attacked. We have a Nordic coming to our meetings?

(J) Did we meet one today?

(L) They gave a question mark to that one. What about this big conference in May?
A: Discover.

Q: (L) Well, should we wear something special like a red scarf so they can find us in the crowd?

(T) Wait, wait...
A: Not needed at all, just be open and aware!!

Q: (L) Is this there anyway we can get any help or power from these 4th density good guys prior to that so that we can put a period to this attack we have been undergoing?
A: Start to call them, maybe.

Q: (L) How do we call them.

(T) They said “discover!” They don’t usually say that in regard to the project awareness meeting.

(L) Yes. Okay.
A: Hint!

Q: (T) Thank you!

(L) How do we call them?

(T) We are calling them, we have our information packs out.

(J) On the board?
A: No.

Q: (L) No, not on the board.

(T) They’ll come to us.
A: They are 4th, not 6th.

Q: (T) We can’t contact them through the board because they are only 4th density? Is there a problem there?
A: Not conventional. It would be like using a FAX to contact Fido.

Q: (J) Is there any significance to the fact that one of our cats has been looking like she is really trying to tell us something?
A: One of your cats, no, make that 2 of your cats, are close to transition to 3rd level.

Q: (T) Sabrina’s moving up in the world, she’s going to get a promotion.

(J) What’s going to happen to her when she hits third? She’s going to be a human?
A: Yes.

Q: (J) Wow.

(T) When she moves from cat to human, her cat body will die?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is this going to happen some time in the near future as we measure it?
A: Not concept, we mean at next incarnation whenever that occurs. By the way,
who gave her that name?

Q: (J) What name?

(L) Sabrina?

(S) The cat’s name?

(T) Two of our cats?

(L) Maybe.

(T) They are third density candidates.

(J) What about the name?
A: Exactly.

Q: (L) Does that mean that when a person is a 4th density candidate that they have to leave their body to go to 4th density?
A: Yes unless they are in the body when the wave arrives.

Q: (J) What about the name?

(T) Do you mean who gave the kitty the name?
A: No.

Q: (T) Oh, you mean why did I name that particular cat? It’s not Sabrina?
A: ? There are 2 candidates.

Q: (T) So, you are not going to give us the name.

(J) Is there any significance to the behavior that the cat, Sabrina has been displaying?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Well, let’s go back to our Orion guys for a few minutes. Have you given us all you are going to give us on this seeking of help and protection?
A: Review.

Q: (J) Okay.

(T) We gave out over a hundred of those pamphlets, if they are going to the meetings, they’ve got one. We are already calling them.
(J) Will they contact us or do we have to recognize and contact them?
A: They know about you even without pamphlets.

Q: (L) This individual who sent me this letter, this Thor Templar...
A: Open.

Q: (T) Can you give him a weapons design?

(L) Oh god!

(T) Humor, mirth!

(L) You did tell us at one point that we could achieve a certain level of protection with stones, crystals, and so forth, is that correct?
A: Yes but crystals are “small potatoes.”

Q: (L) Is there anything we can do with our thinking patterns or with our bodies, or anything we can do to accelerate the receiving of assistance?
A: Unite.

Q: (J) That is what we are doing. In other words, keep on keeping on.
A: Not. You are still STS.

Q: (L) What can we do to accelerate this process, this uniting, this moving from STS to STO?
A: 8 Questions at once.

Q: (L) Maybe I will just say a little bit of what I think it is.
A: Okay.

Q: (L) Part of my perception of this is seeing that whatever that whatever I have or receive is shared with the group in terms of my time, my energy, my thoughts, my finances, and everything that is related to that, is that correct?
A: Evaluate attack intensity.

Q: (T) How strong is the attack? What is the intensity you have experienced.

(L) Well, it has been financial through various institutions, mostly.

(F) Yes, I would have to agree that we have been attacked in that way to a level never before experienced in middle class America.

(J) Is that the type of attack being referred to?
A: Part.

Q: (L) Is another part of the attack the emotional upheaval I experienced a few weeks ago?
A: Part.

Q: (J) What about D__?
A: Part, accident, etc., etc. Not D__ per se, but through her.

Q: (L) So the accident and all the other physical things are part of the attack?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does prayer help?
A: Terry and Jan are next in line.

Q: (L) Well, my suggestion would be to not leave your shoelaces untied!

(F) Oh, God! You don’t want to go through this, believe me. (T) Well, there is not much they can do to us at this point.
A: Not true!

Q: (L) Okay guys, you are telling us we are under attack, you are telling us it is going to get worse, you are telling us that maybe some of these other guys can help us out, what can we do in the meantime?
A: Prayers help but more is needed.

Q: (T) More than prayers is needed. So, we are on our own until we get contacted?
A: Find an Orion!!!

Q: (J) How?

(L) What do we do, go out to the beach and say: “Orions, come here?”

(T) No, they are at the disco, Orions like to dance.
A: That is all we can tell you, because it is the limit of informative arena, any further would interfere with free will, so discover.

Q: (L) One session I asked about some things that happened to me in the past and I was told that what saved my buns from the fire was divine intervention.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Can you tell us about divine intervention?
A: Multi faceted.

Q: (L) Was this divine intervention enacted to protect me from direful consequences that would have prevented me from doing whatever work is forming up for me in the future?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does it not seem that being under attack as we are now might further prevent me, as well as my compatriots from doing our work?
A: Of course.

Q: (L) Well, does it not then behoove this same divine intervention enacted at these other times to act at this time, or is the threat less?
A: Divine intervention cannot be arranged by 3rd level beings.

Q: (L) What level beings arrange divine intervention?
A: 4th through 7th.

Q: (T) So, we are just shy of a level to do that! We can do some quasi divine intervention!
A: You cannot do this divine intervention. You can do 3rd level intervention.

Q: (Laura, Jan) What is third level intervention? [Pause]

(T) They’re accessing the cosmic retrieval system.
A: Discover.

Q: (L) give us a hint!
A: You should know!

Q: (T) Knowledge protects! So when we find ourselves a fourth density being, things are going to roll.
A: You do 3rd intervention all the “time.”

Q: (L) Do you mean spirit release and cleansing?
A: And other.

Q: (T) Well we’ve done spirit release and cleansing, which has prepared us somewhat.

(L) Do we need to do this over and over again to constantly keep it up?
A: Open.

Q: (T) When I am on my lunch break, I go walking around the complex. As I am walking along, every so often I get an image, not a visual, it is like a perceived image, of the forms and shapes encountered when doing spirit release work. I can see these things coming toward me. As they come toward me I just send them to the light. I say, “Hello, how are ya, go to the light!” And they will swirled around me and disappear. So, I don’t know if that is part of what we are supposed to be doing; being prepared by keeping all of the stuff off of us, by always setting up a field...

(F) You are protecting yourself against attachment, is what you are doing.

(T) But, it is also setting up a field that automatically intercedes...

(L) Okay, you say that I do 3rd level intervention all the time. Now, obviously this is partly the release work. Let me ask, is Susan’s work in moving this stuff out of the tissue base, is that part of this intervention.
A: Yes.

Q: (J) Is that a collective?
A: So is writing letters and yelling at people over the phone!

Q: (S) Getting it off your chest.

(J) Yeah, not letting it...

(F) That’s all 3rd level stuff...

(J) Teflon coating yourself...

(F) Punching somebody in the mouth is a 3rd level intervention.

(S) Yeah, releasing, yelling is one of the best releases...

(L) And they are saying to do this?

(F) We can do it.

(T) These are all things that are at our disposal, our repertoire of 3rd level...

(F) You asked what can we do, and are we helpless...

(T) About the attachments, what dawned on me was that, as we are drawing power, as we are increasing our energy level, we are drawing more and more of them to us.

(L) You think so?

(T) The stuff I have been experiencing in the last few days with these attachments is... they are coming to us because we look like the light to them.

(S) Can read auras, you know.

(S) I do it with my eyes closed.

(T) Part of the attack experience is most likely the increase in these loose energy things flying around. And, as I realize this, I work to improve my shielding so that it holds automatically. Where I work is full of negative energy and a horrible place to be in terms of attachments. I walk across the parking lot and they fly at me. I can sense them.

(F) Where I work, of course, two of the people there are alcoholics and you can bet they are a bus load with nobody driving.

(S) Well, the Jin shin do goes beyond the body right to the energy level, also.

(T) And, what we are doing right here, in this room, is that we are building an energy that may be drawing attachments to your house.

(L) Is this work, with the board, is it in some way related to the location in space time, because of the fact that we have done this for so long in this spot?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does it work better because we are here rather than somewhere else?
A: For now.

Q: (J) Well, how about going to Leonard’s on Saturday?

(L) Will we be able to do a demonstration at the MUFON meeting on Saturday?
A: Yes, because it is predestined.

Q: (L) That’s heavy.

(T) That’s not free will. Let’s not go next Saturday and break the predestined plan! [Laughter.] My free will wants to break predestined plans. Mirth, mirth!

(L) Can we ask any further questions about that remark?
A: You are allowed to ask anything you wish.

Q: (T) But, they won’t necessarily answer anything we ask!

(S) I want to ask something about auras. On some people, their auras show, by kirlian photography, a white area, like a halo, behind or around their head or near the shoulder. What does this mean?
A: Open.

Q: (T) I guess what they mean is that it could be a different thing on different people.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there a general schematic of aura colors and what they mean as has been presented by various groups.
A: No.

Q: (S) Was Edgar Cayce’s readings on colors...
A: Reading anything requires accessing “higher levels” of understanding which are fluid, not concrete and absolute.

Q: (L) So this changes, fluctuates.

(S) Oh yes, auras constantly change.

(L) Yeah, but what they are saying is that the meanings of the colors can change with the individual.

(T) It is like reading cards...

(F) And palms, just because a person has a line of a certain sort doesn’t mean that they are going to be in an accident on such and such a day...

(T) Yes, and with the cards, one card can mean one thing with one person, and something else with another person.

(F) I could look at two palms that are almost identical but they could mean entirely different things...

(T) Which really ticks off the materialists who want the directions to come with the card and palm reading kits! [Laughter.]
(L) Are we, at this point, at an end of this subject of getting help and so forth?
A: Discover, that is how you learn, not by being “led by the hand.”

Q: (L) Let us get to the questions we have prepared.
(S) I wonder if subliminal tapes could help in protection?
A: Up to you.

Q: (L) Was all the land on the planet earth formed into one vast continent at some point in earth’s history?
A: Multiple history reality possibilities.

Q: (L) In this reality that we experience, was all the land joined into one vast continent?
A: Incorrect conceptualization.

Q: (L) Well, I don’t know how to ask it.

(J) Move on.

(L) What is the source of energy generated by stars?
A: Transfer points cause friction thus producing energy.

Q: (L) Transfer points of what; from what to what?
A: Dimensions.

Q: (L) Now, this is going to be a strange question, but if you can help us out, relate this to something it would be very helpful. There are a lot of theories going around about the age of the universe. Some of the latest says that it is anywhere from 8 to 25 billion years old. I know that you have said that time is an illusion, but, in view of the fact that scientists are struggling with this one... [Much laughter] which of the figures that they have pulled out of the air, in terms of the time illusion itself, is the most correct?
A: None.

Q: (F) Does that answer the question satisfactorily? That’s like saying: “Oh, that’s an interesting store, what’s in there?” (L) Well, if none of the figures science has come up with is correct, what is the correct definition of the age of the universe?
A: Quasi-quantum possibilities.

Q: (L) What does that mean? [Laughter.]

(J) Anybody’s guess?!

(L) Well, I think they are going to tell us something here.
A: Discover.

Q: (J) Thanks a lot!

(T) That is certainly new to me!

(S) Its probably a lot of gazillion years old!

(T) What does quasi mean?

(L) Partly, half-way...

(F) And what does quantum mean?

(L) Well, a quanta is a unit of measure...

(T) All possible units of measurement...

(F) Is that what that would...

(L) Come on and help us out here guys?

(T) In there time, which is no time, it exists at all times and not time, in our time, that would be infinity.

(L) Okay.

(T) So, the age of the universe is infinite in our time limit, but they way they perceive it is it doesn’t... it exists until it doesn’t... it does and then it does not...

(L) Okay, let’s ask this another way... help me out here...

(J) Go for it!

(F) You got yourself in the woods, keep looking for the crumbs to find your way out!
(L) What do you mean by quasi-quantum possibilities?
A: Closed circle.

Q: (L) Okay, if you select any one point on the circle, and hold that point, and then measure around to the point again, where on that circle are we? Arbitrarily?
A: Not correct concept.

Q: (L) Okay, well help me out here. If there is a closed circle, that means that there is no point that you can arbitrarily designate?
(J) Yes.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Should we just drop this line, or continue with it?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Okay, then let’s just drop it.

(J) It is, it was, it always will be, world without end, amen!

(F) Well, if there is no time as we are told, and there is free will that is so important, how can this be? If there is no time and everything is connected, past, present and future, and everything is just a random collection of thoughts and experiences, and everything is supposed to be fluid, then there can’t ever have been free will. If there is free will, and there is no past, present or future, and everything is all the same point in space time experience, the key is the free will, but there is no answer.

(L) Is the planet earth, as so many have predicted, going to acquire an additional sun?
A: Maybe.

Q: (T) An additional sun, like if Jupiter blows up? Is Jupiter an unborn sun?
A: Jupiter is already a star.

Q: (L) Why do we not perceive it as a star?
A: You are still learning. Earth is a star to be.

Q: (F) How the hell can that be?

(L) If a planet...
A: Every thing cycles fully.

Q: (L) If a star is a transition point from one dimension to another, when the earth moves into 4th density, is it going to appear as a star to the people in 3rd density?
A: “Gas planet.”

Q: (L) It will appear as a gas planet?

(J) Just as Jupiter appears to us.
A: Jupiter is level 4 density.

Q: (L) To whom does Jupiter appear as a flaming sun, at what level?
A: 5, 6, and 7.

Q: (T) What does it look like in 4th?
A: Earth.

Q: (T) Jupiter looks like Earth and Earth looks like Jupiter in 4th density?
A: No.

Q: (L) What does Earth look like in 4th density?
A: Invisible.

Q: (J) Huh?

(L) What do you mean, invisible?
A: Only visible upon request. Variability of physicality.

Q: (L) Okay, does this mean that to the Lizzies and Orions the earth is invisible?
A: When they are not thinking about it.

Q: (J) You mean when they are not thinking about it it doesn’t exist? They have to focus on it for it to become visible?
A: Close.

Q: (T) But, you told us one time that everyone in 4th density was able to see us?
A: Yes.

Q: (J) Us, not earth.

(T) What do they see us on?
A: Able to see you when they choose to.

Q: (J) In other words, they focus on the frequency to see us.

(L) I guess it is like animals in second density. You ride down the road and don’t really see what is around you unless you focus in on it.

(J) Unless you concentrate on looking for them...

(T) Like standing still in a forest and after a time you can see what is there.

(J) It is all according to perception.
A: Yes, but 4th level is the first one with true variability.

Q: (L) Georges Gurdjieff proposed the idea that the earth is, in a sense, food for the moon. What he meant was, what he had learned from these ancient teachers was that earth was a food source for some level of being, and that possibly these beings had encampments or bases on the moon, but that earth was eventually to become a star and that then the moon would become an inhabited planet as the earth was, and so on... Is this a fairly...
A: Close.

Q: (L) Is the Moon a second density planet?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And the Moon is used as a base by other beings?
A: On different densities.

Q: (L) Are there 2nd density beings that inhabit the moon in a full time way?
A: No.

Q: (T) Are there 3rd density beings?
A: No.

Q: (T) Are there 4th density beings?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Are they Grays?
A: They don’t inhabit the moon, they just use it.

Q: (T) Are there 5th density beings there?
A: 5th uses all.

Q: (T) Are there 6th density beings there?
A: Ditto.

Q: (T) Is the 7th density being there?
A: That is union with the One.

Q: (T) Thank you, just checking.
(L) The “Arcturians” talk about the path to the Great Central Sun. What is the Great Central Sun, and what does this mean, “The path to the Great Central Sun?”
A: 7th level.

Q: (L) Is the star, Arcturus, also a residence, as in planet, for certain beings?
A: Stars are transition and communication points.

Q: (L) The book, “We Are the Arcturians”, talks about the Arcturians, and it says that they live on the star Arcturus, that it is a planet for them, and that they have families, reproduce, and do all kinds of normal things. This struck me as strange and reminded me of the Jiles Hamilton stuff.
A: No.

Q: (L) Okay, what was the source of this information?
A: This information was told in a format that would be understood best by those
who read it.

Q: (T) Is this the book we are supposed to get the dates out of for the Arcturus position of the wave?

(L) Yes. Okay. Was there a massive volcano in the area we now call Kentucky at some point in our historical reference?
A: Not then.

Q: (J) Will there be?
(L) Is there a massive volcano in the area of Kentucky?
A: No.

Q: (L) Will there be?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Where was/is the center of the caldera?
A: You have proceeded not according to info in previous answer. Who said there was a caldera?

Q: (L) Okay, in other words, there wasn’t a volcano in the area of Kentucky, there isn’t a volcano in the area of Kentucky and there isn’t going to be a volcano in the area of Kentuck?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Could you describe for us the interior of our sun and how it works?
A: It is a window.

Q: (L) The interior of the sun is a window. Okay, is the interior of the sun composed of what we would call solid matter?
A: No.

Q: (L) The general idea is that the interior of the sun is composed of great masses of hydrogen and this is converting to helium and...
A: In 3rd density perception.

Q: (L) You are saying that the sun is a window or transmission point between dimensions. If that is the case, then it is virtually illimitable in terms of longevity?
A: Close.

Q: (L) So, the ideas of the sun running out of gas and turning into a red giant and sauteing humanity are incorrect concepts?
A: No. 3rd level, Laura, 3rd level!

Q: (L) So, in 3rd level it will...
A: Open.

Q: (L) How long ago was North Africa green and fertile and what geologic factors created the state in which we find it today?
A: Weather changes in 3rd density 10,000 years ago.

Q: (L) Scientists have been making a lot of conjectures about the matter of the Universe and what they have been saying is that 90 to 95% of the matter needed to make the universe stable is unaccounted for. They call this dark matter. There have been a number of theories proposed as to what this dark matter consists of. I would like to know what is this dark matter?
A: You are “chasing rainbows” and so are they.

Q: (L) What is the source of cosmic background radiation?
A: 3rd level cosmic light rays.

Q: (L) Is there anything else we can add to that?
A: Trivia.

Q: (L) Where on earth was man first seeded?

(T) Wimbledon! [Laughter] Sorry, I couldn’t resist that.

(L) Was man first seeded in one particular place?
A: No.

Q: (L) It was stated that the earth once had a water vapor canopy. Was this one of the reasons for longevity in that time?
A: Yes, and already answered this. Review transcripts.

Q: (L) What are the effects of sunlight on the human body now as opposed to then?
A: Degenerative.

Q: (L) Does that mean that we should avoid sunlight because we no longer have our canopy?
A: You cannot avoid enough to matter.

Q: (T) It’s everywhere, all day long.

(F) When you are inside you are still exposed to radiation. The radiation in the air is leftover junk from the light rays coming in.

(T) The radiation is everywhere, even at night. Speaking of which, did you see the article about the chunk of ice that broke off in Antarctica the size of Rhode Island. The scientists said: “We don’t understand why.” And Antarctica is where the major ozone hole has been for the last five years.

(F) Well, they have been predicting that for years...

(T) Hope it didn’t fall on anybody’s foot!

(F) That would be heavy enough that you wouldn’t feel it.

(L) Has the woman, who is now known as Leah Haley, and I understand that she legally changed her name to protect her family, has she been harassed by the U.S. government, or it this a screen memory put in by aliens with concomitant confirmations?
A: Yes to question one and no to question two.

Q: (T) Are any of her memories of abductions by Grays screen memories of abductions by the government?
A: No.

Q: (T) Why is she being abducted?
A: Review your data.

Q: (L) Then, she is being abducted for the same reason we are being abducted.
(J) The agenda is the same all the way down the line.
A: Is this a review session?

Q: No. Okay.
A: Then why ask repeat questions?

Q: (L) Well, we didn’t know it was a repeat question.

(J) We don’t have the transcripts memorized just yet.

(L) If there was an agreement between the U.S. and the aliens, how was this agreement reached. Who met with who where and when?
A: Review.

Q: (L) Well, you never told us that exactly.
A: Yes we did.

Q: (L) No you didn’t.

(J) Don’t argue with them.

(L) Well, what happened to Captain Thomas Mantell on 7 January 1948, when he attempted to track a UFO? Whose craft was it?
A: Grays and he lost consciousness, thus piloting his plane above its ceiling, thus disintegrated.

Q: (L) So, in other words they didn’t zap him, he just lost control.

(T) Yeah, he was flying a P 51 Mustang and he went too high.
(L) At one point in a previous session, the remark was made when Terry was talking about directions, that knowledge of compass direction was going to become very important in the not too distant future. Could you tell us why this is so?
A: Because you will have increased sensitivity to magnetic influences.

Q: (L) So, in other words your comment was not that we need to learn this but that this would become important because our sensitivity would increase?
A: Both.

Q: (L) Does our learning of compass directions act to increase our sensitivity?
A: Catch 22.

Q: (T) It is a contradiction. In the book: You have to keep flying the bombing missions because we don’t have enough people to win the war, but we won’t let you fly if you are crazy because we can’t have a crazy person in the airplane with all those bombs. But, the doctor can’t determine that you are crazy, you have to say that you are crazy so that the doctor can sign the papers, but if you say that you are crazy then the doctor can’t sign the papers because one indication of sanity is to know that you are crazy, therefore you have to fly.

(F) It’s a no-win situation.

(J) Does it have anything to do with the fact that when we move to 4th density we will lose the physicality we use to navigate with now?
A: One half of equation.

Q: (T) Okay, we have the ability to tell direction because of our physicality which will increase to the point where we will be able to sense direction when we don’t need direction because we won’t be physical?
A: Close.

Q: (T) That is the Catch-22. You will have the great direction sense when you don’t need it.
A: You will have variable physicality.

Q: (J) Yeah, so in switching from one to the other you don’t want to get disoriented. If you have compass knowledge ingrained in you when you switch from physical to non- physical, you will know where you are.

(L) In a previous session we talked about the feline principle as represented by the sphinx, and the fact that Egyptians worshipped cats. Is there anything more you can give us on this? Why was this so? Was the cat representative of some principle we need to learn or investigate?
A: This is not really important.

Q: (T) Is the cat and the cat symbol itself important in some way?
A: You are; up to the perceiver.

Q: (L) We talked about the scarab and why the scarab represented eternal life to the Egyptians, and then we went into the thing about the scarab rolling dung. What is there in the symbolism of the scarab that might be significant to us today?
A: Up to you.

Q: (L) In the annotated copy of the Morris K. Jessup book, there were three people annotating: Mr.A., Mr. B., and one known as Jemi. One of the references was to the sighting made by Kenneth Arnold. In reference to that sighting, Mr.B wrote: “Don’t worry, Jemi, those were LM ships not S men. They are an improved type and were on a training flight. That is why their leader interconnected their force fields, to teach them level tele-control without inducing a fear block.” Now, what is an LM ship?
A: Light matter.

Q: (L) What is an “S man?”
A: Secret order member.

Q: (L) What is the secret order?
A: That is for you to discover.

Q: (L) What does it mean that their leader interconnected their force fields to teach them level telecontrol?
A: Self-explanatory.

Q: (L) Jemi’s comment on Jessup’s discussion on mysterious disappearances of persons throughout history is quite chilling. Written in the margin of the book was: “Hey, if he only knew why he’d die of shock!” To what does this refer?
A: We cannot reveal this at this “time.”

Q: (L) So you are saying that there is a whole lot more to this situation and what is going on on this planet than even we have been told at this time?
A: Of course.

Q: (L) So if there is a lot more to this, would we, knowing what we know, “die of shock” if we knew the rest?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Well, that is not pleasant. Okay, Jessup wondered in his book if aviators could be frozen by space ships and carried away in a field of invisibility. Mr. B commented in the margin: “If only he knew by experience, he would keep silent and not write or speak of it ever again in his lifetime. He couldn’t speak of it, for, you see Jemi, it paralyzes one’s sense of time and nullifies mental cognition, functioning and memory. So he has no knowledge, he could not have, he is only guessing.”
A: Okay.

Q: (T) Okay what?
A: Exactly correct!

Q: (L) There are a lot of terms in this book...
A: Too much data.

Q: (L) There was some conjecture as to who wrote these comments. Can you give us a clue as to who did the annotations in this book?
A: Discover. If we told you everything, it would not be good!!

Q: On that note, I think we will close for the night.
A: Good night.

Q: (L) Well, here are the terms: Mothership Homeship Deadship Great ark Great bombardment Great return Great war Little men Forcefields Deep freezes Undersea building Measure markers Scout ships Magnetic and gravity fields Sheets of diamond Cosmic Rays Force cutters Undersea explorers Inlay work Clear talk Telepathing Burning coat Nodes Vortices Magnetic nets and what happens to people, planes and ships that have disappeared. The three commentators of Jessup’s book explain the origin of odd storms, clouds, objects falling from the sky, strange marks and footprints and other things we have not solved.

(F) If you were to try to find out about all of that, it would be like trying to bite into a grapefruit that is 19 stories tall, and swallow it all in one gulp.

(L) Well they say to “discover” things like this. How the heck are we supposed to discover these things?

(F) This will come to us step-by-step.

(J) It doesn’t really matter.

(L) It does matter because they say that knowledge protects. This is knowledge.

(F) I know, but you can’t get it all at once. Look how much you have acquired in the last three years, the last eight months. You are so impatient. You expect to have your mind totally input with all of this and then to go back and have fun with your children, eating popcorn and watching movies. It wouldn’t work that way. This is what you would be like if you had all this knowledge at once. [Demonstrates extreme spasticity. Laughter.] Is that what you want?

(T) Yeah, the kids would get their popcorn and sit around and watch mom! Better than a movie.

(F) The rest of your existence in 3rd density would consist of eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh!!! [Laughter] Doctors would be coming and injecting you with glucose and stomach feeding and you wouldn’t feel it. You would be still going eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh! You can’t get it all at once! I have the feeling that as time progresses that we are going to get an enormous input of knowledge, every session has to be absorbed. You can’t just get it all dumped into your brain like a dumptruck.

(T) We are doing what we are supposed to be doing.

(F) I suspect that some of those annotations in that book were coming from a 4th density being who already knew all of this stuff the way we know about tiddly winks. But, that is all fine and good. We are not there yet.

(L) Why would somebody annotate this book this way and send it to the ONI?

(F) To show the ONI how little they know.

(S) It worked, they now have a study group!

(F) Besides, if we get too much too quickly, you will be sitting watching a movie and all of a sudden you will hear a knock on the door and there will be four gray suits out there asking for you!

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March 7, 1995

Freddie, Laura, SV, MT, Mark

Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
A: Sijll.

Q: (L) And where are you from?
A: Cassiopaea, of course.

Q: (L) We have some questions tonight. We were discussing earlier this evening the ‘abomination of desolation’ as written about by the prophet Daniel and also spoken of by Jesus. What is this?
A: Disinformation.

Q: (L) Are you saying that the abomination of desolation IS disinformation, or that the writing about it is disinformation?
A: Both.

Q: (L) Can you tell us anything to clarify this point?
A: In what way?

Q: (L) Who, or what was the source of that information as prophesied by Daniel?
A: Illuminati.

Q: (L) The prophecies given to Daniel were disinformation?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Is there an ‘abomination of desolation?’
A: There is anything, if the definitions are unrestricted.

Q: (L) Well, okay. Who were the Elohim of the Bible?
A: Transdefinitive.

Q: (L) What does that mean? Transcends definition?
A: And variable entities.

Q: (L) Were the Elohim ‘good guys?’
A: First manifestation was human, then non-human.

Q: (L) Are they light beings as some people say?
A: Vague.

Q: (L) Well, what brought about their transformation from human to non-human?
A: Pact or covenant.

Q: (L) They made a pact or covenant with each other?
A: No, with 4th density STS.

Q: (L) Well, that is not good! Are you saying that the Elohim are STS? Who were these STS beings they made a pact with?
A: Rosteem, now manifests as Rosicrucians.

Q: (L) What is their purpose?
A: As yet unrevealable to you.

Q: (L) That’s heavy! Okay, what is the source of the ‘Keys of Enoch’ teaching? James Hurtak claims that he was taken up to the higher realms and that the ‘Keys’ were programmed into him...
A: Disguised reality.

Q: (L) The place that he was taken to?
A: No the place, the message.

Q: (L) What is the source of this disguised reality?
A: Research; one here studies a bit too much to discover explosive reality trailblazings.

Q: (L) Okay. Is there coded information in this book on several levels as M__ suggests?
A: There is coded information all over the place. Suggest slower pace of studying in order to discover earth shaking principles.

Q: (L) Who is studying too hard?
A: You. Slower would help. Remember the old parable about biting off more than
you can chew?

Q: (MT) What are we supposed to do if not study?
A: M__ is resistant.

Q: (MT) To what?
A: Why do you think you are having difficulty determining the course of your life?

Q: (MT) Resistant to what?
A: The message about slowing down. It is important because it is hard to see the veins in the leaves when the car is travelling too fast to see the trees clearly.

Q: (L) Well, she does seem to be living life in the ‘fast lane,’ so to speak.
A: Incorrect interpretation. It is not living life in the fast lane, it is trying to absorb too much too quickly.

Q: (L) In other words, she is running on too rich a gas mixture?
A: Clumsy analogy, but the right idea.

Q: (MT) I’m not quite sure what is meant here.
A: Metaphysics overload. It is a good path, but we suggest that you be more like the tortoise than the hare.

Q: (L) Well, she is looking for a path where she can combine her studies and also make a living.
A: Readings, therapies, rather than “teaching.” Become the therapist rather than the therapy instructor! People crave individual attention, have you not noticed?

Q: (MT) Well, I make a lot more when I read than when I teach.
A: Bingo!

Q: (MT) How can I get more work in that respect?
A: That will take care of itself when you network, which you are already adept at doing.

Q: (L) Okay, there is a journalist coming here on Friday who wants to talk to me...
A: Be open in your mind regarding the flow of the situation. You have a tendency to forget that all do not share your ability to expand consciousness so easily.

Q: (L) So, you mean he is going to be a real skeptic and I am going to have to deal with validation issues?
A: That is not the point. The audience will be looking for flaws in the materialistic reference point, so you must be cautious, lest you be made to look irrational.

Q: (L) Well, then I guess I better not talk about exorcisms or anything like that.
A: Balance.

Q: (L) Okay. I will try to stay balanced. I don’t want to have to leave the country.
(MT) I would like to know what my connection is with the Hindu temple?
A: Nice people, but not your place. You needed the uplifting vibrations during a particularly stressful and disappointing period!

Q: (MT) Should I bring my bookstore back?
A: Open.

Q: (MT) Can you suggest a way for me to find a place for my books?
A: One last time, network and all falls into place.

Q: (L) Has Mark been abducted?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Why won’t you answer that?
A: Another session we will.

Q: (M) Can you indicate to me what I am supposed to do in my career?
A: Career path should be, as for everyone, that which is attractive, effortless and painless.

Q: (L) In terms of material activities, what would be the best course for Mark to follow in his healing process right now?
A: Don’t follow. Not following anything is a key. It is up to the individual.

Q: (L) Could you give us in a few words, the potential in each of us, for the greatest forward movement or growth?
A: We cannot tell anyone of you this, because then you would not learn, and if you do not learn, you do not progress as an individual soul!

Q: (L) Is there such a thing as a ‘soul number’ as someone we know has been told?
A: Only if you want there to be. Time to say “good night, Gracie.”

Q: (L) Good night.

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March 11, 1995

Freddie, Laura, Terry, Jan, SV

Q: (L) Hello.
A: Real UFOs S__.

Q: (T) The word is coming off the board because the surface is too slick to hold the ink. [We were using a new board and had added several words and punctuation marks to it.]
A: Density.

Q: (T) Is this satisfactory even though we are losing the word “density?”
A: Losing density is a common experience.

Q: (J) Are we talking about dieting?
A: Several interpretations.

Q: (T) I love mirth!
A: Mirth is good.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
A: Sorra.

Q: (T) Hi, Sorra!

(L) And where are you from?
A: Hi, Terry! Cassiopaea.

Q: (T) We have provided a new board. Works great.
A: Please make a habit of this!

Q: (T) We all like the new board, yes indeed!
A: Smooth, have called others to observe in amazement!

Q: [Laughter.]
A: Next demonstration please use this or a similar board.

Q: (L) We are sorry that we had to use the old board for the demonstration.
(T) We were all winging it! Did we do okay today?
A: Okay today, we are actually having fun with this board. Love it!!!!!!!

Q: [Laughter.]
A: Yeah! This is Deanorrilloa, I am impressed too! Oppilmno, me too! Your energy will soar tonight to new levels!

Q: (J) Does it have something to do with our demonstration today and the new board?
A: Yes!!

Q: (J) You guys are going to get whiplash moving around the board so fast!
A: You are good!

Q: (T) We owe it all to us!
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Tell us about the general...
A: F__ wants back in!

Q: (T) What does F__ want? Yeah, we convinced him today. Why does F__ want back in?
A: You are a powerful channel, he does know a legitimate one when he sees one, you know! And he is a legitimate researcher who merely got caught up in an emotional state.

Q: (L) I thought that you said that he was an agent for the Lizzies?
A: Agent provocateur.

Q: (T) They are not saying that we should let him back in, they are just saying that he wants in.
A: All is up to you.

Q: (L) What was the reaction of A__ B__?
A: Excitement.

Q: (T) I don’t mind having Andy come if you don’t. I don’t mind as long as he doesn’t go running and screwing around with F__.

(T) Well, he can do whatever he wants with Forte as long as he doesn’t bring F__’s energy in here. Only M__ can do that.

(L) Who was the gray headed, bearded guy?
A: B__ H__s.

Q: (T) Who the heck is B__ H__.

(J) Who was the guy with the pith helmet?

(L) He is at L__’s meeting quite often. You guys said the other day that this demonstration that we were going to give today was a destined event.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Tell us now, since we have done it, what was the intent or the purpose of this destiny?
A: Education of those who could use a little redirection.

Q: (L) All those people there were people with just a little bit of an open mind. I mean, you almost can’t deal with metaphysical people because they are generally closet fundamentalists.

(F) Yeah, they seemed to be more balanced than some of these “New Agers.”

(J) Why was there so much interference when had the group here a couple of sessions ago and there was no interference today?
A: Grooved better.

Q: (T) It was also good practice for doing it with a larger group of people.
A: Did you notice the heightened openness?

Q: (L) Yes we did notice. What was the reason for that?
A: Grooving provides for less interference among other things.

Q: (T) When G__ and the others were here that was the first time we had that many people here who were all directing the energy at the channel, so that opened the channel and grooved it wider.

(J) The more new people we bring in with the right attitude, the more grooved it will become.
A: No, it happens as a natural circumstance of events.

Q: (L) Am I correct in thinking that one of the things that happened today was that we explained quite clearly what was going on, put up the parameters, and told the people what we would accept in the way of questions, and that this set up the protection?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) A__ wanted us to ask what were the original number of chromosomes the human being possessed?
A: 135 pairs.

Q: (T) And we now have 23 pairs. So, we lost quite a few chromosomes.

(L) A lot!

(T) Will we get them all back?
A: Wait and see.

Q: (L) I want to ask about the fellow with the Coral Castle. We went over to see Hillard, as you know. He had an accident after we saw him, the very next day, in fact. Was this accident caused to prevent him from communicating with us any further?
A: Open. Call him and press for details if you like.

Q: (L) When we were talking to Hillard, he told us about the man who built the Coral Castle. This fellow had, apparently, in his private quarters, three objects: a bed, a table, and a swing made of an airplane seat suspended from the ceiling by a chain, complete with seatbelts. Is this...
A: You got it right because you are learning and rebundling DNA as a result of
this and other activities.

Q: (L) Okay, so what S__ and I were hashing out about this mystery, that was a process of understanding how this man performed these remarkable feats of engineering and construction, is that it?
A: Hypnotize S__ if you wish.

Q: (L) Will S__ be able to access this knowledge through hypnosis?
A: What do you suppose has happened to S__ in her life, and why does she have nagging thoughts about her personal reality which she chooses not to disclose?

Q: (S) I think you better hypnotize me. I have nagging thoughts, but...

(T) Does this bring anything out?

(S) About my personality, I doubt myself, I don’t know. It’s like a great big question mark.

(T) Do you want to follow up on this? And, they started out with “Real UFOs, S__.” What does that mean?
A: What does it mean, indeed!

Q: (S) I guess as opposed to projections?

(L) Okay, guys, let’s connect our brain cells here!
A: No need to connect “brain cells,” using your chakras will do!

Q: (L) Don’t connect your brain cells, connect your chakras. How do we connect our chakras.

(T) I didn’t know that you could connect them?
(S) They are all connected always.

(L) But I mean how do we connect them with each other?

(S) Think it, I guess.
A: Discover.

Q: (L) Can you give us a clue on this?
(T) Meditation?
A: You are missing the point, don’t search, just let it happen when it is ready.

Q: (T) That’s easy enough.

(S) What does “real UFOs” mean?

(L) Yes, you opened with that, what does it mean?
A: Ask S__!

Q: (L) Well, we certainly will ask S__.

(S) I have never seen a UFO that I know of. Maybe I have but I didn’t know it. Does it have anything to do with the fact that I am adopted?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Maybe you are an alien, S__.

(T) Are you an Orion Federation member?

(S) Am I?
A: Mirth.

Q: (S) You have to hypnotize me soon, I am dying of curiosity.

(L) You won’t die, I promise.

(T) Yeah, you are living in Curiosity City.

(S) I have had some really strange, fragmented dreams lately. They are only like glimpses...

(T) Lately? Jan or I haven’t had any strange dreams lately since the last one we talked about, but Jan had the visual thing with the eye the other night.

(L) Yes, what was this phenomenon Jan experienced with her eyes the other night?

(T) This is like the third or fourth time this thing has happened to her over the years.
A: Strand development in progress, [(J) That’s what I thought.] ...if that is what you thought, why hold back, don’t you see your increasing abilities?

Q: (T) You have just gained knowledge on what you should be thinking about the next time it happens. I have been telling her that when it started that she should just relax, get past the stress and the fear, and just watch it and see what it does.

(L) Yes, well, we have all had some strange experiences.

(T) Yes, it is easy for me to say but hard for me to do and the same is true for all of us.

(L) And with each of us, it is different.
A: Yes.

Q: (J) What kind of abilities are you talking about?
A: Psychic!

Q: (J) Okay, good...
A: Stop resisting UFO phenomenon, just accept.

Q: (L) What is this? Are you resisting, Jan?
(J) I think I am still skeptical, yes.
(L) You’re kidding! I guess you need to see one, I guess. It sure cured me. [Laughter] (J) I have not had any assurances at all.
(S) Neither have I, as far as we know. [Laughter] (J) I mean, I know all this stuff...
(T) Can we arrange for something for all of us to see where you are?
A: You can arrange any time. Laura, more caffeine, please.

Q: (T) Do you guys want some coffee? Let me ask, could it be that you guys are hooked on caffeine and you can only get it through us?
A: Open. How does a 6th density light being go about being “hooked” on anything
from 3rd density?

Q: (S) Okay, Terry, you’d better explain it to them! (T) It is coming through on the frequency we are transmitting.
(L) Are you guys getting the caffeine when I drink it?
A: No.

Q: (T) Are you getting the shot of frequency change it provides?
A: If so, oh well! [Laughter]

Q: (L) I think what it does is make us able to stay up with them.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Oh, come on! You get a little out of it! Yeah, you do!

(J) Do you like flavored or non-flavored coffee?
A: Terry, what have you been smoking?

Q: (T) Oh! They want some of that too! Ho-ho-ho, mirth, mirth.

(S) It’s those cigars you smoke, Terry!


Q: (L) I assume that you/us have been listening to our/your conversation on finances...
A: As always.

Q: (L) Now, what we would like to know is, can you give us pointers in this regard, or reassurances, because we are still 3rd density and need reassurance in some respects, as to how to deal with this situation.
A: You are still 3rd density enough to need a lot of things, my love!

Q: [Oooh!] (L) Yes, but you didn’t answer the question!

(T) They are good at that.
A: RTB Review memory.

Q: (L) Okay, you said you were making financial arrangements for us...

Q: (L) Is this a code?

Q: (Laura and Jan) RATTLE THE BUSHES! [Groans]
A: As you are doing, network!

Q: (L) So, we need to get more stuff and send more stuff out, and do like Freddie said and look for sponsors and so forth.
A: Ask Eugene Brown about money, he will not likely give, but may know someone who will! Do you now see the process?

Q: (S) A government grant? [Laughter]
A: Nyet.

Q: [Much laughter] (T) Let’s ask Newt!

(L) Nyet on Newt!

(T) Ask Gene Brown?
A: Nyet on Newt! Mirth.

Q: (T) So, there are no Republicans on 6th level... now, what happened, Laura, when you were looking for the correct Reiki teacher?

(L) I asked if I knew someone who knew someone who knew the correct Reiki...

(T) And the Cassiopaeans said Helen Davis. And, when they said that, you said: “Well, Helen doesn’t believe in Reiki.” Yet Helen knew the person with the correct lineage and teachings.
A: Trust.

Q: (T) But, you didn’t know she knew someone, yet she sent you to the person you needed to find.

(L) Right.

(T) And, now they are suggesting Gene Brown. He won’t give us the help, but he will tell us someone to go see. Is it not the same?

(J) He forks out every month to pay for the Newsletter and it costs about $150 a month to print that out.

(L) Jan, didn’t you have a question you wanted to ask?

(J) Yes... I wanted to ask about that “psycho- power”

(L) Where’s the envelope the ad came in? There it is... there is the psycho-power thing...

(J) Yes, and how come they misspelled my name... [Laura waves envelope with ad in air]

(L) You see this guys? We would like to know if this is...
A: “Karnak the Magnificent”

Q: (J) OH!

(L) What’s the matter?

(J) Well, that’s confirmation enough for me!!

(L) What do you mean?

(J) We were talking about Karnak in the car on the way up today! You know, the Johnny Carson skit.

(L) Oh!

(T) Karnak gave the answer to questions that were sealed in envelopes. It was always a joke. He would give a straight answer to a question that turned out to be a joke. “Humptey Dumptey had a great fall,” is the one I remember, and the question was “What happened to Humptey Dumptey when Misses September, October and November moved into his apartment complex.”

[Groans] Bad jokes.

(F) He would frequently use a play on words for that skit. If there was someone whose name was in the news a lot, he would say something like: “Alexander Haig” and then they would open up the envelope and the question would be “who is the father of the son of Alexander Haig.”


(L) Well, we can save our money on that one.

(J) Guys, I am still skeptical of this...

(L) What do you mean?

(J) This whole thing... I really am... and for that to come through like that after Terry and I were joking about that in the car on the way here, and they picked that out specifically... just blows me away... I am sorry.

(F) That’s okay. Until you get something that you can literally put trust in, it isn’t really real for you.

(J) Yes, like Laura’s was...

(L) Actually the biggest one was...

(J) George R. Kidd...

(L) Actually there have been several... the 666 thing was not in anybody’s subconscious, I know... none of us could have known about the Coptic number-letter relationship... and the thing about...

(J) I think we each have to have our own personal thing...

(L) And I have had to have so many of them, and still, with so many of them piling up, every once in a while I still go into my doubt mode...

(J) We all do....

(L) What is this, are we deluding ourselves, is this a master deception by some entity.

(J) My friend Ann over in Palatka, who publishes that newsletter, the UFOlogist. We played around with the board one weekend when I went to stay with her. We got this really strange entity, and it didn’t really go much of anywhere, but one phrase came through that was very clear that I had seen on a tv episode several days before, and the other one that came through that got me was the night before we went to that charity event and the first word that came up was Poinsettias, and we asked what it meant and the Cassiopaeans answered that it just came to mind. Well, when we went to that event the next night, there were Poinsettias all over the place.

(T) Yeah, that country club was just filled with Poinsettias.
A: Hand on. [Laura had hand off while looking for papers and puts hand on planchette when requested.]

Q: (T) Okay, what...
A: Put your hand in the hand of the Cassiopaeans! Put your hand in the hand of the “Man” who rides the wave! [Laughter]

Q: (T) Oh, I like that one.

(L) We need to get to our questions...

(J) Gene thinks we need to put a book together on predictions...

(L) I think the words of Jesus on that matter are appropriate: “It is a weak and faithless generation that seeketh after a sign.”

(T) We were talking about that earlier in the car... that the predictions are minor things compared to what we are actually getting, and that if you have the knowledge, you don’t need the predictions because you already know that something is going to happen and you know that things are not necessarily “set” until just before they happen...
A: Ask.

Q: (L) At one point we were told that time was an illusion that came into being at the “time” of the “Fall” in Eden, and this was said in such a way that I inferred that there were other illusions put into place at that time...
A: Time is an illusion that works for you because of your altered DNA state.

Q: (L) Okay, what other illusions?
A: Monotheism, the belief in one separate, all powerful entity.

Q: (L) What is another one of the illusions?
A: The need for physical aggrandizement.

Q: (L) The focus on the physical as the thing one needs to hold onto or protect.
(T) Is separate the key word in regard to Monotheism?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What is another of the illusions?
A: Linear focus.

Q: (L) Anything else at this time?
A: Unidimensionality.

Q: (L) The veil...

(J) The perception of only one dimension...

(L) Were these illusions programmed into us genetically through our DNA?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Are there any others we should cover at this point?
A: Are you finished with the concept?

Q: (L) Well, I don’t know. Can you tell us a little bit about how these illusions are enforced on us, how they are perceived by us?
A: If someone opens a door, and behind it you see a pot of gold, do you worry whether there is a poisonous snake behind the door hidden from view, before you reach for the pot of gold?

Q: (L) What does the gold represent?
A: Temptation to limitation.

Q: (L) What does the door represent?
A: Opening for limitation.

Q: (L) Was limitation presented as a pot of gold when, in fact, it was not? Was this a trick?
A: What is snake?

Q: (T) The Lizards?
(J) Danger.

(L) Okay, who opened the door.

(J) We did.
(T) No, what is the snake.
A: No.

Q: (L) Does that mean we did not open the door?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Who opened the door?
A: Lizards.

Q: (L) So, we were, literally...

(T) Who was the snake?

(J) The Lizards, they are danger...
A: No!

Q: (L) Who was the snake?
A: Result of giving into temptation without caution, i.e. leaping before looking.

Q: (J) So we should exercise caution.

(T) Okay, what was the snake?

(J) The result of giving into temptation. The snake represents the classic...

(L) So what you are saying to us is that the story of the temptation in Eden was the story of Humankind being led into this reality as a result of being tempted. So, the eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was...
A: Giving into temptation.

Q: (L) And this was a trick...
A: No! Tricks don’t exist!

Q: (L) There is an issue here.

(T) Okay, no trick, a trap?
A: No! Traps don’t exist either. Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged.

Q: (T) Now wait a minute. I am losing the whole train here. What were we before the “Fall?”
A: 3rd density STO.

Q: (T) Didn’t you tell us that 3rd density beings could not be STO?

(L) No. They said there are 3rd density STO beings.

(T) We are STS at this point because of what happened then?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Okay, now, we were STO at that time. The Lizards opened the door, we are using this as an allegory, I guess, the Lizards opened the door and showed us a pot of gold hoping that we would reach in for the pot, or walk through the door, when they were waiting for us on the other side in order to take us over in some way. Am I on the right track?
A: Hoping is incorrect idea.

Q: (T) Okay, what was it they were trying to do by enticing us?
A: Trying is incorrect idea, continue to probe for learning opportunity.

Q: (T) We were 3rd density STO at this time. Was this after the battle that had transpired? In other words, were we, as a 3rd density race, literally on our own at that point, as opposed to before?
A: Was battle.

Q: (L) The battle was in us?
A: Through you.

Q: (T) The battle was through us as to whether we would walk through this doorway...

(L) The battle was fought through us, we were literally the battleground.
(T) I got that, but I want to get back to this analogy to make sure where we are in the overall picture. The battle was going on when the door was opened. Was the battle over whether or not we walked through that door?
A: Close.

Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that point. You have said before that on this density we have the choice of being STS or STO.
A: Oh Terry, the battle is always there, it’s “when” you choose that counts!

Q: (T) Okay, so we are still looking at that pot of gold? What I am trying to find out is... there is something important here...
(L) Let’s back up and ask it this way: Prior to this event, humankind was or was not...
A: Prior to?

Q: (L) Okay, not prior. But, we are still talking about somewhat of a historical event in a sense even though it is all simultaneous. This event, somewhere on the cycle, was humankind all one soul, so to speak...
A: Backsliding.

Q: (T) We are moving backwards here. Okay, let’s ask it this way...
A: Closer. You were with the thought waves, perhaps better to defer to him for this one.

Q: (L) Okay, I’ll shut up. Carry on Terry.

(T) I need all the help I can get.

(L) It’s a tough one.

(T) This must tie into why the Lizards and other aliens keep telling people that they have given their consent for abduction and so forth. We were STO and now we are STS.

(J) Yeah, right.
A: Yes, continue.

Q: (T) We are working with the analogy. The gold was an illusion. The gold was not what we perceived it to be. It was a temptation that was given to us as STO beings on 3rd density. The door was opened by the Lizards.
A: No temptation, it was always there. Remember Dorothy and the Ruby slippers?

Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that time, before we stepped through. We didn’t have to step through.

(F) But, wait a minute now, they keep saying, correct me if I am wrong, every time Terry says: “They tried to get us through...”

(L) They said no...

(F) It was always there.

(J) Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged.

(T) They didn’t do anything but open the door. The Lizards opened the door and let us decide whether we were going to go through or not.

(J) I still think the key is that we obliged by stepping through the door...

(T) By our stepping through this door that the Lizards conveniently provided for us without actually doing anything to us, just opening it and showing it to us...
A: Provided? ! ?

Q: (L) They didn’t provide it...

(J) It always existed...

(T) It’s always there....

(J) It’s there now...

(T) The Lizards...
A: Yes, think of the Ruby slippers. What did Glenda tell Dorothy???

Q: (J) You can always go home.

(L) You have always had the power to go home...
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, we always have the power to return to being STO? Even in 3rd density?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) How does a 3rd density STO being conduct their life?
A: Discover.

Q: (T) I want to go back to the analogy of the door. The door has always been there. The temptation has always been there...

(J) Is there...

(T) Has, is, will be... is always.
A: “When” you went for the gold, you said “Hello” to the Lizards and all that
that implies.

Q: (T) Okay, that was what I was trying to get at. You said that the Lizards, or the forces of STS opened the door.
A: No. Shouldn’t say opened. We said “opened” only to introduce you to the
concept, so that you would understand.

Q: (L) So, let’s let go of the part that somebody “opened” the door.

(T) The door was always there and always open. I was just trying to work with the analogy. So, the concept is that, as STO beings we had the choice of either going for the gold or not. By going for the gold, we became STS beings because going for the gold was STS.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) And, in doing so, we ended up aligning ourselves with the 4th density Lizard Beings...
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Because they are 4th density beings and they have a lot more abilities than we at 3rd density...
A: You used to be aligned with 4th density STO.

Q: (T) And we were 3rd density STO. But, by going for the gold we aligned ourselves with 4th density STS.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) And by doing so we gave 4th density STS permission to do whatever they wish with us?
A: Close.

Q: (T) So, when they tell us that we gave them permission to abduct us, it is this they are referring to?
A: Close.

Q: (J) Go back to what they said before: “Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged.”

(T) We, as the human race, used our free will to switch from STO to STS.

(L) So, at some level we have chosen the mess we are in and that is the Super Ancient Legend of the Fallen Angel, Lucifer. That is us. We fell by falling into that door, so to speak, going after the pot of gold, and when we fell through the door, the serpent bit us!
A: But this is a repeating syndrome.

Q: (L) Is it a repeating syndrome just for the human race or is it a repeating syndrome throughout all of creation?
A: It is the latter.

Q: (L) Is this a repeating syndrome throughout all of creation simply because it is the cyclic nature of things? Or is it as the Indians call it, Maya?
A: Either or.

Q: (T) Now, you keep referring to the movie, “The Wizard of Oz.” You have been saying...
A: 6th density inspired.

Q: (T) You have good filmmakers up there in 6th density.

(S) What other movies did they inspire?

(T) Before we go off on a sidetrack like that, I’m still trying to grasp something here... okay, you keep referring to the movie, and that we have an ability within us that is something like the Ruby slippers that can take us back to STO any time we wish.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, all this stuff we have been talking about, the realm border, the wave, raising the frequencies...
A: Realm wave is the “tornado.”

Q: (T) That is the rough wave moving.
A: Subjective.

Q: (L) In the analogy of Dorothy and the whole thing, the place where she started out was Kansas, i.e. STO?

(J) It was in black and white...
A: Not really.

Q: (L) Was going to the land of Oz the STO state?

Q: (L) So Oz was STS. And Kansas, not necessarily the physical surroundings, but the state of mind of Dorothy prior to the Oz experience, was the STO state.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, we don’t need necessarily to look at Kansas or the fact that it was filmed in black and white, it is just the state of mind. The going to Oz...
A: And Elvira Gulch.

Q: (J) The lady that turned into the witch.
A: The witch is the Lizards.

Q: (T) Yeah, okay. Tornado. Dorothy fell from the STO to the STS state through the tornado. Is this true.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) The realm wave you equated to the tornado...

(L) Did a realm wave interact with...
A: Analyze more carefully, suggest break to do so.


(T) They are equating the tornado as the shift from STO to STS.

(L) Maybe it also is a shift from STS to STO.

(J) Yes, a shift from one to the other would be dramatic.

(T) Was it a density shift also? The realm wave is supposed to be a density shift. A window between densities. Is there also a shifting between STO and STS. Is there a gateway that you go through? A door?

(F) Oh God! There are so many possibilities here.

(L) And if you switch into STO do you find yourself on a different Earth?

(T) They said this tornado is representative of Dorothy going from STO to STS state. She also went from her reality to a totally different reality.

(F) That’s true.

(J) But swithching from one to the other is going to be traumatic.

(T) They have been talking about a realm wave...

(F) I don’t think it matters which way, I just think that in that particular story it was laid out that way.

(T) But what they have been telling us so far is that the realm wave is a window to move between densities.
(J) Right.

(T) But they just said to us that the tornado is an analogy of a realm wave. But the tornado was a passage from STO to STS, not from 3rd to 4th density.

(J) Two different things.

(F) True, however, a realm border passage may represent any kind of sudden shift?

(T) That is what I am wondering. Can it also mean that not only would we shift from 3rd to 4th, but also would we shift from STS to STO and start out in an STO state there? And then have, again, whether or not we shift back to an STS state in 4th density? Do you always start out in an STO state?

(L) Okay, let’s stop.

(F) No, because if a realm border is coming now, and they have told us over and over again that we are STS, and what they have actually told us is that the realm border is a shift from 3rd density to 4th density, and they never said it was a shift from STS to STO, they have said that it is our choice.

(T) Yes, but they just referred to the tornado as this realm wave, and, in the Wizard the tornado was the symbol of shifting from STO to STS.

(J) Is it.

(T) I don’t know. I’m just trying to get a handle on what they are trying to tell us here because it is something extremely important.

(J) They have been saying “Ruby Slippers, Ruby Slippers,” not “tornado, tornado.”

(T) Yeah, they said that just now, that the wave is the tornado.

(F) I think that is a different subject, there.

(T) But now it is the same symbology. The tornado took her from one point to another and the slippers took her back to point A again. Two different concepts.

(F) Wait a minute.

(L) They said that Kansas wasn’t the STO state.

(F) There are all kinds of intricate little things here, somehow there must be a way to connect it. You know what it is, remember the slippers, they said, meant that the pathway was always there for her to go home.

(J) Yeah, but she had to kill the witch to get the slippers.

(F) No, she thought she had to. Don’t you remember Glenda telling her “Ooh, no dear, you can always go home. All you have to do is say ‘there’s no place like home.’”

(J) Yeah, but you had to be wearing those slippers...

(F) No, no... remember, that was an illusion.

(L) You’ve always had the power to go home.

(S) Now, you know what, the tornado could be 5th density, as she was looking out the window all these things passed by...

(T) Yes, her life passed by her.

(F) Yes, but they have told us that the realm border passage itself is going to result in all kinds of hairy stuff going on.

(J) Like I say, switching from STS to STO or back, or from 3rd density to 4th density, it’s going to be a violent... it is not going to be an easy passage either way.

(F) Right.

(J) It is a radical change in reality.

(T) Yes, but for Dorothy, in the movie, it was violent in the fact that it was a tornado, though it did not physically hurt her.

(J) Yes, and that is what we have been told, too.

(F) She was scared...

(T) Yes, but that was a mental thing... it was up here [pointing to head] where the hurt was. She didn’t get hurt physically.

(F) There is also another thing to speculate about, throughout the entire movie, she was never hurt physically. Through all the threats, she was never actually hurt.

(T) It was also 1939, if the movie had been made in 1995 they would have had machine guns, missiles, chainsaws, and there would be body counts all over the place. And she still could have gone home anytime she wanted. You know, “Dorothy Meets the Terminator.”

(L) “Dorothy and the Chainsaw Massacre.”

(S) “Dorothy Goes to Elm Street.” [Laughter]

(T) It’s the cross between a children’s fairy story and a Stephen King Nightmare.

(F) You know, the fundamentalists have attacked the Wizard of Oz.

(L) They have? Why?

(T) Because it is Satanic.

(F) Yeah, they say it’s Hollywood’s effort to pull people away from Christianity and fundamentalism and all that jazz.

(T) The Wizard of Oz is evil. To the fundamentalists.

(F) Yes, because you don’t need the celebration of Christ to get back to Kansas.
(L) Yes, and Cinderella is politically incorrect.

(T) Because she didn’t sleep with one foot on the floor like all the sitcoms.

(J) Excuse me?

(T) I don’t know.

(S) We went from Oz to sitcoms?

(J) I think you are mixing your metaphors.

(S) That was Sleeping Beauty.

(T) Yeah, that was Sleeping Beauty in the box.

(J) And one foot on the floor.

(L) No, Snow White was in the box.

(T) Snow White was in the box. Yeah, Disney took all the things that had Beauty sleeping in them...

(L) Did you ever stop and think about that symbology: Sleeping Beauty? Being awakened by a kiss?

(F) Who turns into a frog.

(L) No!
(F) Oh, that’s right, the frog turns into a prince.

(L) That’s another analogy. Being awakened from the illusion into which one has been put by the evil witch...

(F) And Cinderella...

(L) And also, in all of these fairy tales it is because of some choice and lack of knowledge...

(J) Rumplestiltskin...

(S) The Ugly Duckling...

(T) Yeah, all of Grimm’s fairy tales were really pretty grim. They have been cleaned up a whole lot.

(L) Yeah, in the original Cinderella, the step sister cut off part of her foot to get it to fit the slipper and the Prince found her out because of the dripping blood.

(Jan and S__) Ooooh! Yuck!

(T) Must have been the glass slipper, cut my foot!

(L) Yeah, it’s pretty grim. One cut her heel off and the other cut her toes off.

(T) Are we getting anywhere? We got the idea that when we fell from STO to STS we gave the Lizzies the right to do what they are doing. So, when they make the statement that we said they could, we did.
A: Okay.

Q: (L) We are having a bit of a puzzlement here because we are wondering if the tornado which represents the realm wave is something that moves one from an STO state to an STS state while still remaining in 3rd density?
A: Okay, that is one way. Okay...

Q: (T) The realm border is not only a way of transferring from one density to another, but it is also a way of transiting from STS and STO and back?
A: Can be.

Q: (T) So, those who transit on this pass may transit from 3rd to 4th density and come out as an STO being?
A: In some of the passages.

Q: (L) Okay, so people can either go from STO to STS in 3rd or 4th density... any of these choices are open at this passing of the realm wave?
A: Any of the above according to the orientation of the wave.

Q: (L) And what is the orientation of the wave that is coming? Is it strictly to move us from 3rd density to 4th density? Is this a function of this wave?
A: We have told you this.

Q: (L) And they have told us that this is a wave from 3rd to 4th density. Some of the waves, apparently, can move from STO to STS...

(T) Not the wave, the person passing through the wave. As this wave passes by, does the orientation of the wave depend upon the individual?
A: Compare to seawaves. Waves are a part of the fiber of all nature.

Q: (T) Is it going to depend on where on the wave you are relating to the cycle, the crest and the trough? As to which way you transition on it?
A: No.

Q: (T) In other words, a wave that is going to transition from 3rd to 4th density will do so no matter where you are on the wave when it passes?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) A wave that is aligned to transit people from STS to STO or vice versa will do that also?
A: Or you could “go under” instead.

Q: (T) Under the wave?
(J) Under the water.

(T) Then you wouldn’t move at all.

(L) You could be pulled under, you could drown and become part of the primordial soup!

(T) Is that Minestrone?
A: Chicken Noodle. [Laughter.]

Q: (L) Am I right that if you go under you get sucked into the ocean and start cycling all over again?
A: It is not that simple.

Q: (J) I didn’t think that was simple at all.

(T) Let’s not even start on that one. I’m still trying to work out this movement from STO to STS. You keep referring to the movie about Dorothy. In the movie she was told she could go home any time she wanted just by saying I want to go home, or whatever. That is a lot easier than going through all the conniptions and contankerations waiting out this wave that comes only once every so often. Is there a way for us to go back to STO that is easier and simpler than hanging out for 300,000 years waiting for this wave to come around?
A: Sure!

Q: (T) Okay, now we are getting somewhere. Where are we going?

(L) Well, they already to shut my mouth.

(T) But now you have caffeine, you can assist me. [Laughter] So, there is another way of doing this.

(J) Visualization?
A: Now wait a minute, are you ready to just go to 4th density right now?

Q: (J) Well, probably not. I don’t think I’m finished yet.

(T) Yeah, I am ready. Right now. Let’s roll! Jan, feed the cats when you get home!

(L) Even the idea of just taking off and leaving and abdicating your responsibilities and agreements is an STS thing.

(T) Yeah, but I’d be 4th density STS.

(S) You and the Lizzies!

(T) Now, now, I wasn’t saying... I’m not ready to go now because I’m wanted here! Anyway, what you are saying is that the realm wave is not the only way to make the transition, is this correct?
A: One idea presented.

Q: (T) That idea is the wave is the way of moving a large group of beings, is this true?
A: Off center.

Q: (L) Well, the wave is just part of a grand cycle.

(T) And we are here to set up a frequency to pull as many beings through the wave, when it passes, and that is the whole purpose of why we are here... Is this so?
A: That implies interference with free will.

Q: (L) So, we are here to set up a frequency so that others may join with us...

(J) And when we get to 4th density we make the choice or change from STS to STO...

(L) Who do the munchkins represent?
A: 2nd density beings.

Q: (L) Do the monkeys represent the Grays?
A: If you wish.

Q: (L) Who do the Witches soldiers represent?
A: The Nephilim.

Q: (L) Who does the Wizard represent?
A: Think, learn, discover.

Q: (L) I think we have had enough on this subject.

End of Session


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