January 11, 1995
Freddie and Laura.
Barry and Susy Konicov via telephone
Q: Is anyone with us?
Q: Freddy is talking with Susy Konicov.
A: Channel disrupted.
Q: (Susy) Are you from the same group as the Pleiadians?
A: Same. When at Pleiades, Pleiadians, when at Cassiopaea,
Q: (Susy) What kind of source are you?
A: 6th density.
Q: (Susy) Why are you choosing Laura and Fred to transmit this
A: Because balancing fields are correct.
Q: (Barry) Maitreya... What is the destiny of this person in this
A: Plays prominent role in disinformation process.
Q: (Barry) Is Benjamin Creme aware of that?
Q: (Barry) Are the E.T.s putting thoughts in Benjamin Creme’s head?
Q: (Barry) What is their purpose in this?
A: To cause confusion, diversion, and deception so that reality
channels may be cloaked. Self explanatory.
Q: (Barry) Does this mean so that what we think is real really
Q: (Barry) This must mean that the Aliens want to give us one person
to focus on which is so spectacular, so that we cannot see the
A: Remember warnings about false prophets in the “desert.”
Q: (Barry) Does this mean that Benjamin Creme is an STS person?
A: Yes, indirectly.
Q: (Barry) Is he the antichrist?
A: No. The “antichrist” is not an individual, but consortium.
Q: (Barry) Who is the Consortium?
A: Term refers to idea of large body of individuals.
Q: (L) Who specifically?
(Fred) Human beings?
A: Yes and others.
Q: (Barry) Are these beings who have lived longer than most people
live in one lifetime?
A: Confused thought patterns.
Q: (Barry) Are these people who have reincarnated for lifetime after
lifetime and have kept the same memory to continue the same plan?
A: Only a select few.
Q: (Barry) Is this channeling going to go beyond the primitive
method of one letter at a time, or is it going to go into the method
of writing or typing or direct channeling consciously or
A: Can now, less danger of corruption through this method.
Q: (Barry) What is the purpose of this contact?
A: To help you to learn, thus gain knowledge, thus gain protection,
Q: (Barry) What do the Cassiopaeans gain from this contact?
A: By helping you, we are moving toward fulfilling of our destiny of
union with you and all else, thus completing the Grand cycle.
Q: (Barry) Is this the only probability open to you or is this the
best probability open to you?
Q: (Barry) Are you a great distance from us in light years?
A: Distance is a 3rd density idea.
Q: (Barry) Light years is 3rd density?
Q: (Barry) What do you mean by traveling on the wave?
A: Traveling on thoughts.
Q: (Fred) Our thoughts or your thoughts?
A: Not correct concept.
Q: (L) What is the correct concept?
A: All is just lessons.
Q: (L) Whose thoughts are they?
A: Thoughts unify all reality in existence and are all shared.
Q: (Susy) You travel on a wave of energy created by all thought
A: Thought forms are all that exists!
Q: (Barry) Have those that are STS acknowledged that those that are
STO are going to win in this race or conflict?
A: No, absolutely not! In fact, the STS cannot conceive of “losing”
instinctively feel pressure building upon them, that is the reason
for the impending turmoil.
Q: (Barry) What happens to them when they lose, does this mean that
they are degaussed, or does that mean that they have to go back and
do the whole evolutionary process all over again on the other
Q: (Barry) So, there is a nexus point coming up?
A: Close. When we said “close” we meant concept was “close” to
reality. Not close in terms of time or distance.
Q: (Barry) At that point do they experience the pain that they have
(L) Good question!
A: No, that is what happens on 5th level only.
Q: (Barry) What is the proper protocol when meeting a Lizard?
A: Up to you!
Q: (Fred) I don’t think I’ll repeat that Barry.
(L) Did he use the
(Fred) No, he referred to a part of the anatomy.
Are Lizards shape shifters?
A: All on 4th level of density have that ability.
Q: (Barry) Do they have the ability to block their true appearance?
Q: (Barry) Are they walking around amongst us now?
A: Infrequently, they use “agents” to do most of their tasks on 3rd
Q: (Barry) Are these agents the “Men in Black” or are they the
A: Both and many others. Men in Black are often Lizards cloaked as
human types, and can remain on 3rd density level for limited periods called short
wave cycle. Men in Black claim to be government in order to have
excuse to have direct contact with selected humans.
Q: (Barry) Have these Men in Black killed humans?
Q: (Fred) They just threaten?
Q: (Barry) Have the Lizards killed humans?
A: Oh yes!!!
Q: (Barry) There is a book out that says that if you meet the Buddha
on the road you should kill him, should we do the same with a
Q: (Barry) Is there a physical confrontation going on in other than
3rd density that is resulting in bodies being blown apart and death
and destruction and so on?
A: Not exactly, remember, you are applying 3rd level ideas to 4th
which does not fit.
Q: (Barry) Does that mean that blowing bodies apart does not fit?
Q: (Barry) But they do have physical bodies on the 4th level, don’t
Q: (Barry) So are ours.
A: No, yours aren’t.
Q: (Barry) Because they can shape-shift does that mean that if they
were to be shattered they could bring their bodies back together
again into the shape they just were?
Q: (Barry) Are the Lizards behind any
of the apparitions of the
Virgin Mary around the world?
A: Yes. All of them.
Q: (Barry) What is the purpose behind this?
A: Diversions and disinformation so that knowledge will be
more will be open to attack.
Q: (L) If you think about it, propagating belief in the “old time
religions” which include belief in hell or purgatory tend to put a
person in a very vulnerable position because then they are open to
thoughts of guilt, sin, and are therefore susceptible to thought
control and terror.
Q: (Susy) Theo, through the “Ashtar Command” Channeled through
predicted a landing of aliens in December 1994, was this a
fabrication or was this a miscalculation?
Q: (Susy) She is such a nice person...
A: Channel is deceived.
Q: (Susy) Who is really channeling through Yvonne Cole?
A: Agents of the Lizards, more disinformation. Who is not receiving
disinformation, then, you ask? Well, you will know when you have
opened your mind and have received much information; now message to
you: Konicovs, we are aware of your work, and you are close to a
major “breakthrough,” however, beware that STS forces are trying to
defeat you, and we would suggest you slow down your battles against
STS forces a little, so as to prevent too much heat from them coming
down upon you!!
Q: (Susy) Are you talking about the de-taxing work Barry is doing?
Q: (L) Are they marking them?
A: Have already been watched closely.
Q: (L) Barry is not one to step back, so what can they do to protect
A: Knowledge is protection. Two calls recently.
Q: (L) Did you have two calls? About what or from who?
A: Had to do with “business” but was ruse.
Q: (L) Okay, I think that is all their questions. We thank you.
[Phone conversation is terminated]
Q: Are you still with us?
Q: (L) Tell us what Barry and Susy think of the reading you just
Q: (L) Well, they may call it a primitive method, but all the people
who are doing straight channeling are producing straight crap.
(L) As you know we have a very large hole in our cellar and we
haven’t reached anything yet. Are you sure there is something under
A: Search carefully.
Q: (L) Could it be in the dirt that has already been taken out?
Q: (L) Which way to go from where the hole is. How much deeper? I
mean, I know you told us to keep on, but if we don’t find something
pretty soon... I mean, how much can you dig? The whole cellar will
disappear into this hole.
A: Patience pays.
Q: (L) Well can you just tell me how much deeper...
A: Sift carefully.
Q: (L) Sift the sand that’s already taken out or the sand that’s
Q: (L) Do we need to go deeper?
Q: (L) Do we need to go wider?
Q: (L) Freddie, do you know how big a hole there is in that cellar?
(F) No, but I’d love to see it.
(L) You and I could take
this table and sit in that hole comfortably.
(F) How long did it
take you to dig that?
(L) They’ve just been working on it today.
There could be tons of stuff inside the dirt.
(L) Now, I’m in a real
tough spot, guys. I’ve either got to go with P__, and his deal is
pretty poor or do something else and I don’t know what that would
be. At least that is the only option I see.
A: Sorry, but you must decide what to do it’s part of learning
Q: (L) Are Barry and Susy going to play an important part in the
work we are doing in the future?
A: Probably, but wait and see.
Q: (L) What is P__ thinking about the deal just now?
Q: (L) He wants the mortgage?
A: Why not negotiate and explain your position honestly?
Q: (L) That is what I am going to do.
A: He will understand delays better, no one can blame you for
Q: (L) I want to ask one other thing, recently the personal effects
of J__ O__ were found, can you tell us what kind of vehicle was
driven out to that area in which those items were...
A: Time for you to move on past this issue.
Q: (L) J__ was talking to me and she said that she really thought
J__ was trying to get people to solve this mystery...
A: Aunt Clara strikes again.
Q: (L) Should I send Freddie to Sharky?
A: Up to you. Time to go.
Q: (L) Thank you and good night.
End of Session
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January 14, 1995
Freddie, Laura, Terry and Jan, Tom M and Andrea
Q: (L) Is anyone
Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
Q: (L) Where are you from?
Q: (L) Why is the movement so slow this evening?
A: It will speed up dramatically, so be patient. Send the little one
Q: (L) Why do the children have to be kept at a distance?
A: As protection against possible psychic damage as soul is not yet
Q: (L) Does this mean that when a person’s soul comes into their
body at birth that it is kind of like reduced to a seed form or like
the bud of a flower, and that the growing up years are either the
A: It is a reawakening period.
Q: (L) Does that mean that when the soul comes into the body that it
cannot, at that point, remember any of it’s past experiences...
Q: (L) So it cycles like ebbing and flowing and that is the ebb
point where there is very little awareness?
A: Something like that.
Q: (L) We have some questions and the first one is: You have told us
in the past that you are us in the future and that you are moving
this way to merge with us.
Q: (L) As we measure time, how far in the future are you us?
A: Indeterminate as you measure time.
Q: (L) Does this mean that at the point in time when the wave
arrives on the earth in this upcoming event that you have given us
the information to plot the ETA, is that the time at which you will
merge with us and become us in the future?
A: No, that is not the correct concept.
Q: (L) You have said that when the wave arrives that you will merge
with us. Is this the same thing that you are talking about when you
say that you are us in the future?
Q: (L) So, we are talking about two separate events or subjects, or
points in space/time, is that correct?
A: No. You are again slipping into trying to apply 3rd density logic
levels of density reality.
Q: (L) So, this is pick on Laura night!
A: No. We are trying to help everyone to advance.
Q: (L) So, we are not talking about the same event...
A: What is “future,” anyway?
Q: (L) The future is simultaneous events, just different locales in
space/time, just a different focus of consciousness, is that
A: Yea, so if that is true, why try to apply linear thinking here,
you see, we
are merging with you right now!
Q: (L) I see.
(T) So, what you are trying to say is that when the
wave comes it is going to take us to 4th density, if we are ready,
but we are not actually going to merge with you in 6th density at
that point, but we may experience a “merge” at that point because
all points of focus merge during transition from one density to
A: Partly correct, partly way off.
Q: (J) What part is right and what part is wrong?
(T) The wave is
going to take those of us who are, at that point ready, to move us
into 4th density, is this part correct?
Q: (T) Which part of it is open?
A: You are a 4th density candidate.
Q: (T) So, we are 4th density candidates but that doesn’t
necessarily mean that we will make it into 4th density, true?
Q: (T) As 4th density candidates, anyone that is, when the wave
comes, if they have reached the correct frequency vibration, and
have raised themselves up to the point that the wave will take them,
they will, at that point, move into 4th density, true?
A: Close enough.
Q: (T) Now, when those who move into 4th density make the move, will
they experience a completeness or merge with all other densities of
their being, at that point, even if it is for a short time?
A: For one immeasurably small instant, this is what is meant by
Q: (T) But, for that small instant, because there really is no time,
maybe an instant or an aeon, depending on how any individual might
measure it, we might experience oneness with ourselves?
A: It may seem to last “forever.”
Q: (L) Is this what is known as the “rapture?”
A: Some have attempted to explain instinctive thought patterns this
Q: (L) Is the moving into 4th density, and the understanding we have
of it, which is the possible transcending or leaving a 3rd density
earth, which is under great assault in terms of cataclysmic activity
and so forth, and moving to a place where none of that is apparent,
is this what is known as the “rapture?”
A: Laura, you are reaching.
Q: (L) Well, Jan and I were talking about it this week, it’s her
fault. Don’t blame it on me.
(J) It’s my fault.
(L) Jan made me do
A: Jan is the “boogie” man!
Q: (L) That’s right, Jan is the boogie man, she did it.
(J) Wait a
(T) You took responsibility.
(J) No, I kinda like that!
(L) We have a couple of questions that can be answered, I
think, fairly quickly, so let’s get them out of the way. Jan, as you
know, her mother passed away yesterday morning, and she is very
interested in knowing where her mother is at this point, and what
condition she finds herself in. Can you give her this information?
A: She is at 5th level density now.
Q: (L) Is she finding her introduction to this level to be pleasant?
A: That is subjective.
Q: (L) I knew that was coming. Any more questions on that, Jan, I
don’t want to
get fussed at.
(J) No, that’s alright. Has my mother been having OBE’s in the
Q: (L) Now, Terry had a very interesting experience when he was
standing outside his house.
A: Terry has many of those.
Q: (T) Yes, thank you, I do. It’s amazing how they come to me. I was
standing outside. There’s a lot of cats in the neighborhood and we,
ourselves, have six cats. They look at one a lot and I recognize
cats for cats and don’t think it is possible that I made a mistake
in this. A cat came around one of the trees across the street from
me, and it wasn’t a regular cat. It was much larger. It looked at me
and hunched down into it’s cat-like stance and locked on me. Was
this a real cat, or a bob cat?
A: Yes, it was a bobcat from Northeastern Pinellas Piney woods
Q: (L) Is there a preserve in that direction from you?
(T) Yes, it
is up on the Pasco/Pinellas border, down from us here as a matter of
A: Up from you, Terry. Learn direction better, please. Compass
awareness is to
be vital in the future.
Q: (T) I know it is up from me, but I am north of the place now and
I’m talking as if I am in St. Petersburg, saying up from me, but it
is south of me at the moment.
A: Incorrect, you were speaking from home in your mind.
Q: (T) True.
(T) You guys are cool!
(L) What was it you
said, “Love a 6th density dude with a sense of humor!”
Q: (T) Are there dudes and dudesses up there?
A: Yes, cool dudes and dudesses! [laughter]
Q: (L) Now, come on, stop it, I am trying to get a question in here!
A: Stop what?
Q: (L) Stop fooling around, I want to get these questions done.
A: But we are having fun, is there anything wrong with that?
Q: (L) No, but I want to get through my questions.
(T) Lighten up, a
fun session is something we need.
A: Uptight. [laughter]
Q: (T) We got a live one tonight.
Q: (L) It’s because of you, Terry.
(T) Thank you.
(L) You got all
this practical joke business going...
A: No, Andrea.
Q: (T) Andrea! My goodness. [laughter] Why Andrea?
A: She is fun loving.
Q: (T) Okay, we’re having fun tonight. Go on, ask the next question.
(L) Can I ask my question now?
A: Oh, what the hell, go for it!
Q: (T) I didn’t know W.C. Fields had made it to 6th level.
(L) Seriously now...
A: Seriously now, folks!
Q: (L) The other night as I was reading by the window, I saw
something white pass by the window. In order for anything to pass
that window, it would have to be very tall or floating. Also, my
dogs would not have allowed anything to be passing by my window
unless they were dead, drugged or paralyzed in some way. After a few
minutes I explained it to myself as having just seen my cigarette
smoke float by in my peripheral vision, but, after thinking a while,
I realized that after all these years of smoking, I have an acute
sense of what smoke is and where it is around me. Therefore, I think
that some sort of awareness cued me that I was seeing something
besides a waft of smoke. Can you tell me what it was, outside my
window, or was it just my cigarette smoke?
A: You are gradually experiencing more and more “bleedthroughs” of
Q: (L) What did I see go by my window?
A: Fourth density energy source.
Q: (L) Is an energy source like an entity or being?
A: Tell us what you imagine 4th density to be like, Laura?
Q: (L) Well, I have no idea.
(T) Good answer.
A: Okay, then please try harder to discover.
Q: (L) Do you mean right now?
Q: (J) Can we help?
A: Yes. You see without further progress in this area, we cannot
explain details of 4th density life.
Q: (L) Alright guys, how do we imagine 4th density life to be.
Let me ask a question first.
A: Free association.
Q: (T) Is this energy source that she saw not necessarily a being or
an entity, but loose energy being transmitted from 4th density?
A: Answer to that depends upon greater understanding of 4th level
Q: (L) Why do I have this gripping and pinching sensation on the
back of my neck right at this moment?
A: We are blasting open your learning chakra.
Q: (T) Did it just start?
(L) Oh, yes. It feels like I am being
gripped by a pair of pincers right at the base of my neck. Okay, 4th
density is like, am I correct, that it is similar to the dream
state. The instant you think something or focus on it, it happens or
Q: (L) And that, for example, if you wished to be on a boat on the
water, that you would find yourself on a boat on what is actually a
more real ocean that the ocean we experience here, because, in every
way it matches your expectations, down to the glints of sunlight on
A: Slip 4th.
Q: (J) Like slipping gears?
(L) Am I slipping?
A: Yes. Why do you need a boat?
Q: (L) Well, just because in that particular fantasy the idea is to
be on a boat.
(T) But it is not a fantasy.
(L) It is reality. Okay.
So, in other words, 4th density is a realm where your thoughts
instantly manifest as reality. If, for example, you think of
yourself being a princess in a tower, a castle would manifest and
you would be in a tower, and if you wanted your hair to hang down to
the ground, it would hang down too.
A: That is 5th level stuff.
Q: (L) Okay, so, we have something in between that and 3rd level.
Q: (T) Does it closely resemble 3rd density, but different in some
Q: (T) You were saying that when the transition comes about that
there would be a 3rd and 4th level earth, and some people would be
3rd density on the 3rd density earth, and some would be 4th density
on the 4th level earth.
A: One possibility for you to ponder.
Q: (L) Okay, let’s take a short break... [break] Now, guys, I guess
you have been listening to our discussion and you listened to Jan
read the paragraph from the article about 4th density experience
being the highest level of wishful thinking, that wishful thinking
(J) Or did I take it out of context?
A: Close. STS.
Q: (L) So, STO wishful thinking...
A: STO does not wishfully think.
Q: (L) Well, how does STO think?
acute pinching feeling at nape of neck] God! You guys are doing
strange things to my body...
A: Helpful and balanced. Wishes are strictly STS.
Q: (L) So, acceptance of experience in the sense of just allowing
things to happen and responding in a balanced and helpful way is an
STO response or experience in 4th density, is that correct?
Q: (L) And therefore, seeing things moving past such as what I saw
by my window,
and responding to them basically in an open, curious, and allowing
have been an STO response, is that correct?
Q: (T) It depends on how you respond curiously.
(T) The Lizzies are
hanging out in 4th density too, and they are not STO, are they?
Q: (T) So, they are not having STO helpful, responsible..
Q: (T) So, in 4th density, both types can still happen?
Q: (T) The desired type is the STO type thinking...?
Q: (T) But STS thinking is also available if that is the way you
decide to go when you get there?
Q: (T) This of course limits you in your ability to move up to 6th
Q: (T) Once you are in 4th density, if you choose STS, can you
change it to STO?
Q: (T) So you can move back and forth as you so desire and it is all
still free will?
A: If you move from STS to STO in 4th level, you don’t move back.
Q: (T) Once you are STS in 4th density you have to stay there?
(J) If you move from STS to STO in 4th density you don’t go back
to STS, you stay at STO, is that correct?
(T) That’s what I mean,
once you have decided to do STO, that’s where you stay because you
don’t have any desire to go back to STS?
Q: (T) So, it is not so much that you don’t have a choice, it is
just that you don’t want to go back to STS?
Q: (T) So if you move up and do what the Lizards are doing, then you
continue to do that until you get tired of it or see different, or
become enlightened and then move to STO and then that’s where you
will want to stay?
Q: (T) Can you move from STO back to STS? I know you said you can’t,
but that’s because you choose not to?
A: Natural factors prohibit this.
Q: (L) So, I guess that once you get to STO natural factors, the
nature of that position is that you just simply don’t... it just
A: Now, blockbuster for you: 3rd level beings who reach total STO
automatically and instantaneously go to 4th level at moment
Q: (T) They just vanish? Have people done that before here?
Q: (F) Yeah, I’ve heard of that.
(T) Sure, people disappear that all
(L) Well, I don’t think it happens that often, but I think
(F) It has happened.
(J) People disappear and you
never hear what happened to them.
(F) There have been cases where
people have suddenly vanished, where a flash of light has just hit
them and Poof!
(T) Like spontaneous combustion...
spontaneous combustion because the body is left behind.
have been cases where people were actually sitting with other people
and suddenly everybody present suddenly sees a blinding flash of
light and that person is Spffft! Gonzeroni! (L) Gonzeroni?
and for all!
(T) I want to ask this question, if it has already been
asked, somebody stop me, what is the total STO profile?
lack of concern for self.
Q: (L) So, in other words, you don’t do anything or think anything
in terms of fulfilling or doing for self. You always think in terms
of doing or fulfilling for others.
(T) Damn, I’ve got a long way to
(Chorus) Don’t we all!
(J) Was Gandhi?
Q: (T) Mother Theresa?
A: No. Political deceptions.
Q: (J) Mother Theresa is a political deception?
me ask this question... it is on a little bit different subject
right now, but I am kind of stretching my brain right now and I need
a little bit of a relief there and then we will come back...
A: You are off balance this session due to a “bug” in your body. You
bacterial overgrowth in your intestines.
Q: (L) Okay, I was talking to Jan earlier about real estate in Pasco
and Pinellas counties and the differences and so forth, and I made
the suggestion or statement that they might want to sell their house
in St. Pete and move to Pasco County. What do you think of that?
Q: (L) Is that all you think of it?
A: What else?
Q: (L) I just wanted to know if you thought it would be advisable?
Q: (L) Now, I want to ask about these Krill documents that Sally has
told me about and is sending. Tell us what is the background and
validity of the Krill papers. Terry knows more about them than I do.
Supposedly it is some kind of exposition written by an alien being
revealing the government conspiracy. Were the Krill papers valid?
(T) Krill was supposedly a prisoner of the United States.
there really such a being as Krill?
Q: (T) Is there any validity to the Krill papers?
Q: (T) Was it dictated by this alien being?
Q: (T) Was it put together by a human?
Q: (T) Is this in the same area of UFO lore as the Cooper and Lear
and Lazar and Bennewitz stuff?
A: We have told you many times... Laura, pay attention... Listen!
Q: (L) Well, you say semi. Semi means half-way. Is it half true or
A: Whoa! Calm down! Patience, my love!
Q: (T) Should we put about the same amount of validity whe have in
the other UFO documents?
A: Stop now!!!!
Q: (L) Is this an area we can’t talk about now because it is too
Q: (F) What the H is going on?
A: We are trying to tell you something important, and you keep
Now, please, silence for a moment!!!! We have told you many times to
communicate with each other and network and share ideas, because
that is how you LEARN and PROGRESS! But, you are beginning to rely
on us for all your answers, and you do not LEARN that way!!!!!!!
Now, try this, you will be thunderstruck with the results: Each of
you has stored within you unlimited amounts of factual and
“Earthshaking” information. This information was put into your
consciousness in order for you to retrieve it in order for you to
learn. Now just start by holding a discussion about the last series
of questions you were trying to ask us, and “let it flow.”
Q: (T) I have a question for you Laura, does that feel weaker? [Tom
is giving Reiki to Laura’s neck]
(L) Well, it’s not hot like it used
to be, and I am just wondering, since you took the second
attunements from Jim G... let’s just ask... Is Tom’s Reiki cancelled
by Jim G’s. initiation?
Q: (L) But he had good Reiki to begin with and it will be okay for
me right now?
At this point the group reviewed the comments that had been
regarding several persons prominently involved in UFO research who
had also been
involved or quoted in the Krill document. This gave us a starting
evaluating the material. The reader may wish to recall said comments
Don Ware was brought up because he was also
he had not been involved in the Krill papers and the following
Q: (L) Who is Don Ware. I asked about him because John gave me a
list of names.
(T) Okay Don Ware used to be the Regional MUFON
director over the East Coast, and he got run out because he was
moving into the metaphysical side of the phenomenon and MUFON is a
nuts and bolts operation. They don’t want to hear this kind of stuff
(F) I know they don’t because they are looking strictly at
(T) They are trying to get scientific credibility...
Well, yes, and they want a UFO to land that you can go up to and
take a hammer and go Plink, plink, plink! It’s Here!
(T) They want
to know where the aliens are from, what they are up to, what kind of
propulsion systems they use, how they build them, which... I have
reached the opinion that MUFON is the continuation of Project
Bluebook. When they closed Project Bluebook, they went out and
subverted the UFO groups starting with NICAP and APRO and MUFON is
one of the latest of the groups that changes from one type of group
to another and all the information that is gathered in the field,
goes to Texas and there it disappears and no one ever hears about it
again. The Black Hole of Texas.
(L) So, in other words, if John Lear
and William Cooper are getting the Cassiopaean Seal of Approval, and
they are saying basically the same thing the Krill document is
saying, where did they get their information?
(T) One of the
thoughts on that was Moore or Lear or Bennewitz, one of these, was
the one that had written the Krill papers. There was some talk that
Krill may have been an acronymn used by the government to identify
this being who gave the information which is the basis of this
(L) To your knowledge, would Lear or Cooper ever have been
in a position, or did they ever at any time claim to have been in a
position, to observe any of this activity written up in this
(T) I don’t believe that either of them have
ever claimed to have been in a position to have physically observed
any of this or to have been in the underground bases. They were
working with information they claimed to have gotten from other
(L) And what do they claim their other sources are,
(T) A lot of them are unnamed. Moore and Cooper claim they
have inside government sources. I believe Cooper is the one who
claims that he at one time worked for the military. In fact he was
Air Force, I believe.
(L) Is he the one who claims that he was the
intelligence analyst for the Admiral of the Pacific Fleet?
There are several versions of the Cooper papers as he modifies and
updates them. He didn’t change anything really, he just cleaned them
up, re-edited them and added to them.
(L) Okay, if this is the case,
it would seem to me that a person would have a much better chance of
having something believed if they presented it as coming from a
human source who either observed or saw it. Why would they say that
this is an alien dictating this when that is so far and away more
unbelievable? It seems to me that if they were making it up they
would have far better chance if they said a human extracted this
information rather than that it is what the alien said. That would
almost tend, in a backward sort of way, to make you think that maybe
this Krill dude, maybe it was true. But, the only thing about that
is, if it was an alien, especially if it was an STS alien, how much
of it was true? That’s the question.
(T) Well, Krill was supposed to
be one of the standard Grays.
(L) Well, then, we can’t rely on
anything he says. We can rely on the fact that it is possible that
it was an alien who gave this information, but if it was one of the
standard Grays, then we know who and what they are and we have to
look at the information itself as being unreliable, not necessarily
the human who revealed the scenario.
(F) Well, it is not necessarily
unreliable even if it is an STS source.
(L) Yes, but as STS they
would undoubtedly only give information that would tend to service
(F) That would seem to be the case if you look at it
from the obvious angle. But, that is not necessarily true. Just
because it is an STS alien, and, in fact, a cybergenetic being, that
does not mean that the information is necessarily inaccurate for
several reasons. For those of us who have reached a certain level of
understanding, our first assumption would be that it is inaccurate,
so it could be a reverse psychology ploy. Give accurate information,
get those who are at a higher level of understanding to think it’s
inaccurate, when in actuality it is accurate.
Well, do you know what it said? It says, basically, what we have
(F) Well, then it is accurate.
(T) If this is a
standard cybergenetic Gray, the question is how much biological is
he? Is he biological enough to pass a dissection?
absolutely. There are reports of autopsies of these guys, they just
can’t figure out how they feed.
(F) They are cybergenetic, but they
look and function exactly like a biological being. If you go inside
of them you will find blood and fibers and tissue and microscopic
(L) The microscopic exams, from what I have heard,
reveal that they’re more in the line of a plant...
Which, of course, would indicate that they have been grown! (L) Yes.
Imagine chromosomal linking of human genetic information with that
of the plant kingdom.
(T) You could literally grow hundreds of them
(L) And plant them like seeds... and, apparently that is
what they have done. People have come back who have been taken to
these ships and have seen walls of containers growing these things.
Like a room in a hot house.
(F) Well, there you go. We have gotten
information which indicates that the Grays have access to both
dimensions because they are probes of the Lizzies. And this gives us
a further clue as to what a strange place 4th level is if such
“probes” can be grown like plants! And, what level must fully souled
4d beings be when we are fooled into believing their cybergenetic
constructions are the “real thing!”
(T) Does this mean that the
abilities of the Lizzies, since they have to create “probes” to
enter our density, would not be any more advanced than, say, your
everyday spirit? Without the Grays, would they be able to interact
with us at all?
(L) Yes, they are, they have, they will and
(F) But, there are several problems. One is their
appearance is very, very alarming...
(J) They would garner a lot of
attention if they walked down the street.
(T) It depends on how they
(L) They can shape-shift.
(F) They can
shape-shift, but only for a limited period of time.
(L) Because it
takes 3rd density energy to do that.
(F) That brings up something,
when we were talking to Susy on the phone the other night, Susy and
Barry mentioned the Men In Black. The response said that the Men In
Black were “Lizard beings.” In many reports of Men In Black, they
have been described as very strange in numerous ways. Their voices
have been described as sounding like they come from an echo chamber,
(T) Well, when we asked about the Men in Black in one of the
sessions, what did the Cassiopaeans say? That they are
(J) Exactly, maybe that is a clue, maybe that is how
they come into our reality: as projections from 4th into 3rd.
But, there is one case that always sticks in my mind, and it took
place relatively recently, on April 28, 1978, a guy in Maine who had
been doing UFO research, was accosted by a single Man in Black. He
said the guy was very strange in many ways. He had pink... his face
looked like it was covered with make-up, and, in fact, when he
touched himself at one point and his face started to smear as if it
was completely covered. And then, he suddenly got up and said: “Have
to go now... run-n-n-ing out of e- ner-gy.” Then he walked out of
the house and staggered down the drive. They guy said that at that
point he became somewhat disoriented as he watched the Man in Black
start to stagger....
(L) He was not the Energizer Bunny! [laughter]
(F) And then the man saw a light that he at first thought was the
headlight of a car, but the Man in Black walked into the light and
(J) Projections! That’s how they move from 4th to 3rd.
They said they project as a “triage.” Remember. It was something
like travel in space/time.
(T) Well, we have gotten off the
discussion of Krill, but we have certainly been led into some pretty
amazing conclusions about 4th level.
(F) Maybe Krill is just Kaput,
at this point.
(L) Who cares about Krill? We just use them and throw
them away! [laughter]
(T) That’s what I was getting at... should we
treat our standard UFO stuff... I mean, we are beyond that now...
(J) Yes, we are...
(T) with what we are working with here...
of what we have worked with over the years, the ideas of it being
nuts and bolts, which I originally thought too, and it’s clear if
one has been following the whole phenomenon closely, it has evolved,
actually, from a nuts-and-bolts perspective, and I am not knocking
nuts-and-bolts, but those who are really looking with an open mind
are seeing that this is far more.
(L) Alright, here it is guys...
[had been looking for references to Men In Black] ... Who or what
are the Men in Black? Lizard Projections.
We got on to that because we were asking about the projection of the
guy in the Camaro that showed up in my driveway.
(L) Okay. Does this
mean that the Lizards are just projecting an image of a being? And,
the answer was “yes.” At that point Terry asked: “The MIBs are not
real in our physical terms?” And the answer: “Partly correct. You do
not understand technology but we will describe it if you like. First
we must explain further “time travel” because the two concepts are
closely related. The first step is to artificially induce an
electro-magnetic field. This opens the door between dimensions of
reality. Next, thoughts must be channeled by participant in order to
access reality bonding channel. They must then focus the energy to
the proper dimensional bridge, the electrons must be arranged in
correct frequency wave, and then the triage must be sent through
realm curtain in order to balance perceptions at all density levels.
Triage is as follows: 1. Matter; 2. Energy; 3. Perception of
reality.” In other words they send through...
(T) They transmit energy that takes matter here and creates
what we perceive, and what we perceive depends on...
(L) No, no,
no... I know what it is... the triage must be sent through... the
triage is that the matter becomes energy which then becomes
perception and when it hits the other side of the curtain, the
perception reconverts to energy which then coagulates as matter...
it is like doing a back-flip through the realm curtain.
(T) And what
the individual sees depends upon what they expect to see, which the Lizzies have to tap into first before they do the triage... that is
the “reality bonding channel.” If you are open to see Men in Black,
even if you don’t know what they are, then at some level of
(F) But I think this is not just limited to Men In
(L) Listen to this! “Several times I have heard references to
big rectangular boxes, I would like to know who these belong to?”
And the answer was: “Lizard projections...” What are they doing,
projecting their whole damn reality into our world?
apparently part of the whole process of going from 4th to 3rd is the
“projection” process itself.
(T) Yes, you have to move backward
(F) This also, of course, explains much of what we have
read and heard about in terms of higher phenomena. You cannot ground
it at all. So many people have fallen off the track by expecting to
capture metallic craft and dissect them, and, while that does
(J) And the whole concept of what’s wrong with science now
is that they can’t hold it or measure it, or see it physically
because it doesn’t exist!
(F) That is where material science falls
apart. It is stuck in a vicious cycle.
(J) Yes, and it is using it’s
own rules to make itself obsolete!
(T) So, the bottom
line is, we have simply gone beyond the Krill stuff, the Cooper and
Lear stuff, and so on.
(F) Which is one of the reasons why the
Cassiopaeans keep telling us to stop asking these stupid questions.
(T) We don’t need to go into all that.
(F) Yes, that’s UFO’s 101.
(J) Yeah, right, we’ve moved beyond all that. My God! Listen guys,
let me tell you something I just noticed. When I was at work about
three or four weeks ago, I had a desk drawer that wouldn’t work, and
I was yanking and yanking on it to get it to open. I finally yanked
on it and this clipboard fell out. I decided to take it home and use
it. Look what it says on the clipboard! Service!
(T) There’s another
thing that is even more interesting and that is that we are not
alone in this density, there are other beings on other planets also.
And, it just may be that some of them are coming here just to throw
some more stuff in the soup to keep us confused as to which or who
(F) I have a feeling, though, that probably, everything
that we have experienced in the UFO area over the many years is a
passage from higher levels of density to this one. I don’t think
that we have ever experienced a 3rd to 3rd transfer. That is just my
feeling. And, it is only just now that people are beginning to
realize that. In other words...
(T) Well, that is what Vallee
thinks, along those lines, so he is just looking at
(F) But Vallee is also a material
scientist so he is examining it in a scientific way.
He is a little more open-minded than some who would just say it is
because we haven’t discovered it yet...
(J) Yeah, our name isn’t on
it so it
(F) But, he is doing it in a very careful way.
we done enough with Krill?
(T) Yeah, I think we have done more than
(L) Krill is irrelevant. I think we need to be more careful
(J) I would like to ask if this is a mode of learning the
Cassiopaeans would like to see us pursue on a regular basis?
Okay. Consider it asked..
A: Would be a good idea.
Q: (L) I do have a question that I don’t know if we could discuss it
and work it out because it is a real outside one. I would like to
know if the soul’s electromagnetic pattern can be forcibly altered,
from the outside, by another being, force, or source of energy?
Q: (L) Is a person’s soul pattern determined by the cumulative
experiences of that individual?
A: Part of the equation.
Q: (L) Does a person carry within their soul pattern memories of
every single incident, event or happening that has ever occurred to
them throughout all realms of their experience?
A: Memories are imprint of “Past, Present and Future.”
Q: (L) So, if the imprint is there...
(J) “We are you in the
future!” (L) Right, so if the imprint is there, and no outside force
including Lizzies or Orions can...
A: You can remember us.
Q: (L) The point I am trying to get at here is that, at some level,
anything that happens to us can be accessed, correct?
Q: (L) And it is incorrect to say that any other being can come and
erase some part of our experience and replace it with their own
creation in any way, shape, form or fashion?
Q: (J) Ask if I should give “Childhood’s End” to Laura to read. I
think there is some very important information in there.
A: Up to you.
Q: (J) Never mind! (L) Of course you should lend it to me. You know
I read everything in sight!
A: Jan, are you going to ask us what socks to wear tomorrow?
Q: (L) Do you wear socks, Jan?
(T) What socks should she
A: Red with white stripes.
Q: (J) I’m sorry. I shouldn’t have gotten off line.
(L) Now, here’s
a couple of things I would like to ask about and I am not asking
about because I want... because we have already discussed this at
some length. Some time ago I asked about the “Wise Baby” dream, that
is about the baby that was ten days old and quoting Shakespeare, and
I thought this was unusual and asked about it. You said I should
discover. Well, Mother had a similar dream the other day. She did
not know about my dream, but we both dreamed about talking babies.
This is mentioned in the Budd Hopkins book. The significant things
about these dreams is the talking baby. The passage in the Budd Hopkin’s book describes the woman who underwent hypnotic regression
to investigate her “Wise Baby” dream and discovered that the dream
was not the reality. In my and my mother’s dream there were
individuals present who pronounced the baby to be evil and who
advised us not to interact with it. The day following the dream we
both felt very uncomfortable, ill-at-ease, and slightly depressed.
In the book, the woman who had the dream said it was a “feel good”
dream and she liked it. But then she found out it was not such a
good dream. My question about this is, at a very deep level, what
does this baby represent?
Q: (L) Is the baby a cover memory or a screen memory of another
Q: (L) We hashed it around and Jan pointed out that in both dreams
there was somebody in the dream who told us not to listen to the
baby. Who does this person telling us not to listen to this baby
represent? Is this information from you guys in our dreams telling
us not to listen to this baby? Is this baby, in fact, a screen
memory of an interaction with an alien of some sort? i.e. Grays or
Q: (L) What differs?
(T) It wasn’t an interaction with the Grays or
(L) Okay, can you tell me...
A: Each is individual.
Q: (L) So this means that my dream is different from my mother’s
dream and both are different from the dream of the woman in the
Q: (L) Well, I guess that if I want to know more about the dream I
can do a meditation or hypnosis.
Q: (L) Terry and I were discussing the migration of objects
underground. As you know, we dug where you told us to dig and we did
find a space underground where something obviously had been. We then
found that the ground was soft.
Q: (L) And it was as though somebody had dug very deep but moving in
a strange direction. Well, Terry, interestingly, had read a work on
the tendency of objects to move underground stimulated by the
drainage of water through the earth. It almost seems that the
pattern of this soft sand is toward an area where there is water.
Could it be possible that something could migrate through the sand
Q: (L) And would it migrate toward an area where water flows through
Q: (L) And could it migrate that distance in, say, 50 or 60 years?
Q: (L) And, in order to migrate that distance in that period of
time, what would the approximate weight of an object have to be?
Q: (T) It doesn’t matter. The weight of the object is irrelevant to
the movement. The thought crosses my mind, what if it was dug
deliberately as a tunnel?
A: Yes. Are you onto something? Hmmm?
Q: (L) So, my husband’s idea to expand the cellar, to brace the
corners with blocks as he digs, in order to prevent cave-in...
Did you find a place when you dug that looked like a place where
somebody had put something?
(L) There was a hollow space under the
cement floor. Under this was the soft sand area which continues to
extend downward and outward surrounded by hard packed sand.
Well, obviously something was there.
(L) Was this something that has
been moved already?
A: Discover, it is fun.
Q: (L) Well my thoughts are, also, interestingly, because out of
this whole project has come the idea of expanding the cellar which
will then make a space that you can go into and stand instead of
just a root cellar. Do you guys have plans for this room we are
A: Who knows?
Q: (L) It occurred to me as I was thinking about it: remember when
we were talking about Noah and the ark and how we were told that the
symbolism was that Noah just built an ark because it seemed like a
good idea at the time and later it came in handy.
(T) And you are
digging this out because it seems like a good idea but you don’t
know why yet. Maybe there is some other reason and maybe you will
find something in the digging, too. But, you are also going to end
up with an expanded basement and there may be another reason for it.
But, you don’t know that yet and they are not going to tell you!
You’ll find out when the time is right.
(T) You are already started
in that direction.
(L) Yeah. He said since he has already done all
this digging he might as well finish the job.
(T) It may not be for
a flood or an earthquake or whatever, it just may be useful for
something else. Maybe you’re just supposed to get that finished so
we can move our sessions downstairs!
A: You are learning, Bravo!
Q: (T) Well, we are back on the right track. So, you have to
(L) Gee, thanks! (T) Well, that is where the fun is! It’s a treasure
A: And you might just find something verrrry interesting!!!
Q: (L) Jan and I are very curious about artistic expression at 4th
density. We experience art and music in a very positive and moving
way, most of us, in this realm, and sometimes music can be very
sublime and very transforming. It can move one in a lot of very
unusual ways. What is it like in 4th density?
A: In 4th, you can “see” sounds and “hear” colors, for example.
Q: (L) Is this, now you guys just calm down when I ask this
(F) I know what you are going to ask...
(L) No remarks,
okay? Many years ago when I was a child of the 60’s and 70’s, I
tried some LSD.
(T) I know exactly what you are going to ask, yeah,
because I’ve seen it too!
(L) In a major way! Geometric
patterns and colors manifested with music.
(L) Is this what
we are talking about here?
Q: (L) So, in other words...
A: The answer to your next question is yes, you experienced a
Q: (F) In other words an acid trip is like a glimpse into 4th
(L) Do you recommend this method for accessing this type of
Q: (T) Well, the problem is that some people would want to do that
all the time and not work on doing it in a natural way.
Q: (T) And other people would use it and abuse it and use it as an
(J) And damage themselves.
(L) Yes, it is obviously something
that has to be very carefully handled. We can’t encourage this.
Is that like the concept of adding additional dimensions to the 3 we
A: Yes. 4th level density implies and additional dimension of
Q: (T) The first dimension is a single point, the second is the
movement of the point into a line, the third is the movement of the
line into a plane and the addition of time gives solidity. What is
Q: (T) Is time frequency also as we perceive time?
A: Not as you perceive it.
Q: (T) We perceive it linearly, but is it a frequency that our sense
organs do not interpret correctly?
Q: (L) They have told us before that time is an illusion or a
deception imposed at the time of the “fall.”
(J) I’ve seen, we have
all seen, the light spectrum. What we are able to perceive with our
eyes is only a limited section. Is reality like that? What we are
able to perceive is only a small section of the spectrum of
Q: (T) When we move into 4th density will we be able to perceive
more of this electromagnetic band?
Q: (J) So, it expands our awareness?
Q: (L) A few years ago I was meditating and I did what I call
“zoning.” It is an indescribable state. I kind of bobbed back to the
surface for a moment because I experienced a buzzing in my head that
sounded like an electrical transformer. Words came into my head that
were like: “The presence is approaching,” and I thought immediately
of Shekina, or the “forerunner” of the “presence of God.” I was a
little agitated because I was not positioned in the way I would have
liked to be to receive any experience or visitation. I adjusted
myself in a more “prim and proper” position and remember nothing
more until I just sort of came to with the intense urge to relieve
my bladder. I don’t know how much time passed, but it must have been
a considerable period to have the physical urge that strong. The bed
was adjacent to a wall between the bedroom and the bathroom with
just a walk space. I had to be careful not to bump my head on the
wall when I was getting up. I got out of the bed and was quite
startled to discover that my head and shoulders passed right through
the wall. As soon as I noticed that, I started to pay attention to
what else I was experiencing. I noticed that all physical objects
appeared as transparent slides of color and light. The walls of the
house did not exist, I could see the children in their beds in other
rooms in the house, their bodies were light. I could see through the
house to the outside and it was not darkness as we perceive it. I
was aware that it was night, but trees, plants and other objects
were apparent by their appearance as color and light. I had a brief
thought of something distant and it was as though my vision was
telescopic and zoomed onto it instantaneously. I was also aware that
my vision was 360, that is, I could see in all directions at once.
All of this happened very quickly, or so it seemed, and I realized
that I was not in the body. That thought startled me and the instant
I was startled, that is, felt an inkling of fear, I snapped back in
like a rubber band. I discovered myself exactly as I had been prior
to hearing the buzzing, not having made the adjustments in my
position. I think what we are talking about when we talk about 4th
density, is this kind of perception.
(F) Well, you remember in
Whitley Strieber’s book, he talks about floating out of his body and
he became aware of all kinds of things including the fields around
power lines and it is quite a description.
(L) Well, it was a very
strange experience, to say the least.
(T) When you started to
explain about the trance state, you said: “What I call zoned out, I
can’t explain it.” That’s the same thing the Cassiopaeans say when
we ask them to explain what 4th density is like!
(J) Yes, we have no
physical frame of reference.
(L) Yes, I can’t say I wasn’t unaware,
because I was intensely aware of everything. And yet, I can’t say I
was focused on any one thing, because I’m not.
(F) The last session
we had we received some clues as to why it is they can’t explain all
these things. They said something when we were talking about plants
and rocks at 1st density. Try to think of something in animal
language to express what it is like to perceive the universe as a
human. The thing that occurs to me is that, even though we share the
same space with dogs, cats, etc., their perception of the universe
is so radically different that for all intents and purposes, they
might as well be on another planet.
(T) Science tells us that a
dog’s eyes only see in black and white.
(F) It isn’t just what they
physically can see and how they see it, but how they perceive and
understand it and how they think. It is so radically different from
a human being... and some people get all attached and all emotional
and think that animals are almost human and the dog isn’t even
thinking “Oh, I’m a dog, I think I’ll just take a nap.” There is no
anything that we can understand. So, if you think about the steps up
density-wise, if they are merely equal, imagine the jump from 3rd to
4th! In 4th, they may understand us entirely, but their view is
(L) Let’s say goodnight.
End of Session
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January 21, 1995
Freddie, Laura, Terry, Jan, S, D, Chuck
Q: (L) Who do we have with us?
Q: (L) And where are you from, Torillahk?
A: Cassiopaea. [(L) Let’s get the ridge out of the board.]
Q: (L) Do you have any messages?
A: Thank you. [Apparently for getting the ridge out of the board.]
Q: (L) You are welcome. Do you have any messages for any of us
tonight, or should we just start in on our questions?
A: Any rituals performed tonight?
Q: (L) Did anyone do any rituals? Why do you ask?
A: Feel some restrictions
Q: (D) I bathed in bath salt.
(L) That wouldn’t do anything. Sue has
some questions about some of her healing things.
(S) If I put my
finger on a certain muscle in an inter- oral area, would you be able
to tell me if it is the correct position?
Q: (S) Okay, is this the terragoid?
Q: (S) Okay, I guess it’s the terragoid. That was where I had my
finger. I just needed to know that.
(S) Which school of thought,
Upliger or Nix (?).....
A: Your work is less dependent upon physical factors than you think.
Q: (T) Is it that she should use more intuition in this?
A: Aural frequency.
Q: (L) In other words, feel it.
(S) Don’t I still need the basic
A: Sense, knowledge is held within, simply unlock more and more as
Q: (S) Sometimes it’s hard to...
(L) Go ahead, ask your questions.
(S) Does realigning the sphenoid (?) bone actually do something with
the pituitary gland?
A: All these procedures are factored by your own natural healing
is of the light, and comes from within when you follow your natural
instincts and trust!
Q: (T) Yes, it does, it does what they just said!
(S) Would myofacial unwinding help me unblock some of my own fears,
A: Just trust your extraordinary abilities!
Q: (T) What they are trying to tell you is to go with what you think
is right because it will be right, because it is coming from within
you, and it’s not so much whether you’ve touched here, or touched
there, it’s that wherever you’ve touched is the intent. It’s what
they say, intent is what it is.
(S) But the way the law of this
country and state goes, you also have to have that piece of paper
that says yes, you can do this.
A: Bravo, Terry!
Q: (T) Thank you, thank you!
(L) Well, go ahead and get the
licensing and do what feels right. You’re doing the right stuff.
Everything you’re doing, you’re doing by instinct, you know,
continue the classes.
(S) It’s like, I know about three or four ways
for carpal-tunnel syndrome, they’re all totally different...
them all, one might work differently for a different person, they
can all be right, you know.
A: It is not the physical methodology that matters.
Q: (J) It’s like you’re tapped in, just go with the flow.
A: Humor the authorities, they know not any better.
Q: (S) Why am I so reluctant to use some things, is it because I’m
going to too many classes, too many different schools of thought,
that I’m getting confused?
A: Lose the fear and just do it! Welcome, Chuck, you were a “wild
youth, eh? Lady Killer. Mirth.
Q: [Laughter.] (L) We’re going to go on with our questions and see
how many we can cram into this session.
(D) Monday is the 23rd, my
house is supposed to sell. My Realtor is sweating blood.
A: Did we not tell you?
Q: (D) Yeah, you did.
(L) The van I looked at today, is there
anything significantly wrong with it that doesn’t show up, or that I
have missed, that we have missed, is it as good a deal as it seems
Q: (L) Okay, that’s all I wanted to know. Back in the 1970’s in the
Central United States there were quite a number of cases of animal
mutilation. There has been a lot of publicity about this at some
point and then it died down and was covered up, and there were a lot
of ideas and theories about it. What I would like to know is who was
doing the animal mutilations?
Q: Okay, who was doing most of the animal mutilations?
A: Not applicable.
Q: Okay. Was some of the animal mutilation done by the U.S
Government, or entities within the government?
Q: (L) In other words, it is still going on. So Okay, so they are
still doing it. Was, or is, some of this activity being conducted by
Q: (T) Were they acting for the same reasons?
Q: Why did the government do animal mutilations?
A: Copy, in order to throw off investigation.
Q: (L) So they copied this activity to throw off investigations. Did
they do this as an act to protect the aliens who were doing animal
mutilations for their own purposes?
Q: (L) Were they doing it to protect themselves from the public
knowing that they were engaged in alien interactions?
A: They do it to protect the public from knowing that which would
society if discovered.
Q: (L) What is this item that they were protecting so that society
or the public wouldn’t know about it. What activity is this?
A: Humans eat cattle, aliens eat you.
Q: (T) They’ve said that before.
(L) Okay, yeah, we eat second
level, they eat third. Did aliens do some of the cattle mutilations?
Q: What do aliens do to cattle?
Q: (L) They take the blood out of them?
Q: (J) They drink it? What do they use this blood for?
Q: (L) Okay, but you just said that aliens eat humans, and humans
eat cattle. Why were the aliens being nourished by cattle, if that’s
not their normal bill of fare?
(T) A cow’s blood is a
lot like human blood.
A: Do you not ever consume facsimile?
Q: (T) Hamburger helper? Shake and Bake,
(J) And I helped!
A: Facsimile is less controversial, obviously!
Q: (L) So in other words, they were eating cattle just to keep from
having to eat so many humans, that would have just upset people a
lot, is that it? Oh god.
Q: (T) So, since they’re eating cattle instead of humans, does that
mean they’ll stop eating humans?
(L) Terry, you know better than
(T) Well, it’s the next logical question.
A: Some of their human “food” is merely emotions, think of flesh as
being the equal of “filet mignon.”
Q: (T) Some of their food is merely emotions. Okay, when we’re
talking about these aliens, are we talking about the Grays?
Q: (T) We’re talking about the Lizards.
Q: (T) Okay, what do the Grays feed on?
Q: (T) Okay, the Grays feed on plasma, blood plasmas of some kind,
is this what you are saying?
Q: (T) Okay, so that’s why they want the blood; so, do the Grays
feed on emotions?
Q: (T) Okay,
A: They send them to Lizards.
Q: (T) The Grays send emotions to the Lizards? They’re transmitters?
A: Transfer energy through technology.
Q: (L) Let me ask this...
(T) Are the cattle giving off enough
emotion for the Grays to feed this to the Lizards also?
A: No. That is physical only, you see, Lizards and Grays only need
nourishment while “visiting” 3rd level, not when in natural realm,
4th density, there they feed on emotions only.
Q: (T) Grays are not strictly third density? Because they’ve been
created by the Lizzies?
A: Yes. Correct, they too are 4th level.
Q: (L) Okay, let me ask, while we’re on this subject, real quickly,
we need to move on to cover these questions. Actually, it becomes
moot, since we know their technological capabilities. What
technology do they use to surgically excise certain areas of the
cattle’s anatomy, is this done by laser...
Q: (L) Okay, since it has been noted that quite frequently the
cattle mutilations consist of taking very specific parts of the
body, such as the eyeballs, the genitalia; they core out the anal
sphincter right up to the colon; what would be the purpose for these
specific body parts? I mean, do they core out the rectum and put a
pump on there and suck all the blood out, I mean...
(T) That’s what
the tail’s for! It’s a pump!
(L) Why? Why do they do this?
Q: (L) Close? I’m close?
A: Yes. Not the tail part, ha ha!
Q: (L) Okay, I think we kind of have an answer to this one, but
there have been very frequently associated with the phenomenon of
cattle mutilations, sightings of black, unmarked helicopters, who or
what are these helicopters?
Q: (L) Are some of these helicopters disguised alien craft? Are some
of these helicopters the property of the U.S. Government?
A: Yes to both.
Q: (T) Are some of these helicopters private enterprise?
Q: (L) Oh, boy Terry, you had to do that! A whole new can of worms!
A: All are interconnected
Q: (L) Okay, I want to ask this one, because this is one I haven’t
hit lately. Wendelle Steven’s, who was associated with Billy Meier,
and also Genesis 2 or 3, put out the Billy Meier book on the Billy
A: Some too, are projections, this phenomenon is multifaceted.
Q: (L) I expect that goes back to the black helicopters. I want to
know about Wendelle Stevens, associate of Billy Meier...
A: Why? This is wasted energy.
Q: (L) Well, I just want to know how reliable he is. In a word, is
this person somebody who can be relied upon for factual information,
yes or no?
Q: (L) Okay, that’s good enough. Who are the oriental- appearing
personnel that have been seen manning the helicopters and the white
vans that have been sighted all over the country?
Q: (T) Talk about opening up another can of worms! (L) I’m not even
going to touch that one!
A: And government copycats.
Q: (L) Okay, now, I have a list of names, and I want a yes or no as
to whether these individuals were, because I believe most of them
are deceased right now, this is just a little verification on some
other things for the general public, were these individuals involved
in the cover-up of the UFO activity and phenomenon in the U.S.?:
Roscoe Hillencotter (Yes) Dr Vannebar Bush (Yes) Secretary James
Forrestal (yes) General Nathan Twining (Yes) General Hoyt F.
Vandenberg (Yes) Dr. Detlev Rock (?) (Yes) Jerome Hudson (Yes) Mr.
Sydney Sauers (Yes) Donald Menzel (Yes) Robert Montague (Yes) Dr.
Lloyd B. Berger (Yes)
Q: Who is in MJ12 now?
A: Will not reveal as you would be terminated if this information
were to be let
out, so forget it now!
Q: Does MJ12 still exist?
A: In different form.
Q: I would like to know who sent the MJ 12 documents to Jamie
Shandera? Who sent those documents to him?
A: Bill Cooper.
Q: (T) Who sent them to Cooper?
A: He discovered them in records review.
Q: (L) He is the one who discovered the MJ 12 documents? Does he
claim he sent them?
(L) How did you know that and I didn’t
(T) I read the Cooper book, the early Cooper papers.
A: Cooper was unintended security leak, then “turncoat.”
Q: (T) Okay, so he found all this out when he was working for the
Q: ...Which is how he got them out of the records?
Q: (T) Well Okay, while we are on the subject... I don’t want the
names of those involved with MJ12, the question is, if you gave us
the names, how many of those people would we know? Not personally,
but how many would we know? How many would we have heard of?
A: One or two maybe.
Q: (T) Which is what I figured. Just like back in the 40’s you
wouldn’t have known who these people were. Hillencotter and
Forrestal, maybe, because they were WWII people, their names were in
the paper. Unless you were into sciences, you wouldn’t know who
these people were.
(L) How many alien craft, actual alien craft, are
in the hands of the government or this consortium?
Q: (L) And were these captured craft? Or gifted?
A: And recovered.
Q: (T) Ok, they were all three. Were any of them purchased?
A: Not correct concept, Grays are not financial.
Q: (T) I didn’t mean by money, I meant purchased as in some kind of
a trade. A gift is something that is given without anything in
(J) We give them something in return.
(T) Were the gift ones
not what we would really consider gifts, but they were given to us
in return for something else, some other kind of payment? Barter?
A: No. Because all sought return favors were already achieved.
Q: (L) So it was all just a farce.
(T) So they were payment as
opposed to gifts.
A: Not correct concept
Q: (L) How about this: They weren’t payment, they weren’t gifts,
they were distractions?
Q: (T) Okay, we’ve got captured ships, recovered ships, something
called gifted ships, that were not really gifted ships, and the
concept that some of them were purchased, but they were not
purchased in a sense that we would normally purchase things,
bartered for something, and that the ships that were gifted were
given to the government in order to keep them distracted from other
things that the beings were doing. Is this something close along the
lines of what we’re talking about?
Q: (T) Okay, so there’s a lot of different categories of how these
ships got into the hands of the federal government?
A: Yes. Multidimensional
Q: (L) Okay, give me a yes or no answer on this: Dr. Paul Bennewitz
- reliable, yes or no?
Q: (L) Is his statement, as it is recorded in the Krill papers,
Q: (L) Is that statement true?
Q: (L) Was he reliable previously? At the time he was doing that
A: Sort of.
Q: (L) Who is O. H. Krill
A: No one.
Q: (L) Is O. H. Krill a group?
Q: (L) Symbolism of what? What does O. H. Krill translate out to?
A: For documentary purposes only, your government likes code names.
Q: (L) Are you implying that this piece of work was put out by the
government for dissemination of the subject matter?
(J) Is it
Q: (L) Give us a percentage of factual information in this document.
Q: (L) Are you saying that 43% is factual?
A: Close enough.
Q: (L) Okay, so, in other words, this has been planted by the
government. Was it put out with the intention of giving out some
A: No. Planted? No.
Q: (L) You are saying it was planted?
(T) It was leaked purposely?
A: Your government is operating on many cross-purposes, very
Q: (T) Even the simplest things are very complicated with them.
The U.S. government...
A: On purpose!
Q: (T) Very true. Question: The government, our government, the U.S.
government, is holding 36 craft of one kind or another that they
gotten in one way or another. How many other governments have craft?
A: All is one.
Q: (L) We already have a one-world government is what they’re
(T) Yes, they’re just waiting to make it official somehow.
(L) Let me ask. What is...
A: Has been so for long time, as you measure time.
Q: (L) Let me ask this one before the tape runs out and we take a
break. What is the “ultimate secret” being protected by the
A: You are not in control of yourselves, you are an experiment.
Q: Do you have anything else to say on that subject?
A: Up to you.
Q: (T) When you say this is the ultimate secret, that we’re being
“protected” from by the government, are we talking about the
ultimate secret of humans only here?
Q: (T) The ultimate secret of the human race is that we are an
experiment that other humans are conducting on the rest of us?
Q: (T) Okay, does the other part have to do with the Lizards?
Q: (L) Other aliens also?
Q: (T) Okay, so, are the humans who are running the experiment, do
they know that they are part of the experiment also?
Q: (T) And they’re doing this willingly?
A: They have no choice.
Q: (L) Why do they have no choice?
A: Already in progress.
Q: (T) What is the experiment about?
A: Too complicated for you to understand.
Q: (J) I hate it when that happens!
(T) Okay, is this part of, is
this about the experiment the Lizzies are doing of dominating us and
sucking us dry?
A: Yes, but there’s much more than that, you will understand at
Q: (T) Okay, I won’t pursue that much farther.
(L) Okay, in this
document there was a statement made that the Grays and other aliens
glandular substances extracted during physical exams of human
beings, what they
would call the gynecological and the sperm extraction exams, that
these glandular substances to get high or to feed on, that they are
these, is this a correct assessment?
Q: (L) Do they use glandular substances at all?
Q: (L) What do they use glandular substances for?
Q: (L) And what or who do they use this medicine on?
Q: (L) And what does this medicine do for them?
A: Helps them cope with 3rd density.
Q: (T) Is this something that they use to help them stay in the 3d
Q: (L) Does it help them to manifest in a more solid physical
Q: (L) So, in other words, they draw glandular substances. Do they
also use sexual energy given off by individuals to maintain their
status in 3 dimensions?
A: No. That feeds them in 4d, as we told you before.
Q: (L) Yes. Okay. How “long”, and I put long in quotes, because we
know, as you say, there is no time, but how long, as we measure it,
have the Grays been interacting with our race? The Grays, not the
Lizards, the Grays, the cybergenetic probes?
Q: (L) What do you mean, “No”?
A: Time travelers, therefore, “Time is ongoing.”
Q: (L) Okay, recently I read a couple of books Jan gave me, “Knight
in Shining Armor” and “Replay”. Both of these books described time
A: No, not finished with answer. Do you understand the gravity of
Q: (L) They are time travelers, they can move forward and backward
in time, they can play games with our heads...
(T) They can set up
the past to create a future they want.
(D) They can organize things
so that they can create the energy that they need...
(L) They can
also make things look good, make them feel good, make them seem
good, they can make you have an idea one minute, and then the next
minute, create some sort of situation that confirms that idea...
A: When you asked how long, of course it is totally unlimited, is it
Q: (L) That’s not good. If they were to move back through space time
and alter an event in our past, would that alteration in the past
instantaneously alter our present as well?
A: Has over and over and over.
Q: (D) So they do it over and over and over, constantly?
(L) So, at
A: You just are not yet aware, and have no idea of the
Q: (L) We’re getting a little glimmer! Yeah, I do, a little!
ramifications of being able to move in and out of time and
manipulate it the way you want
(Jan/Laura) And the ramifications of
what they’re doing to us; what they are doing to us and what they
will do to us, over and over.
(Freddy) What did it say about over
(L) So, in other words, our only real prayer in this whole
damn situation is to get out of this density level. That’s what
they’re saying, that’s what it sounds like to me.
Q: (L) Because, otherwise, we’re just literally, as in that book,
stuck in the replay over and over and over, and the Holocaust could
happen over and over, and we could just, you know... Ghengis Khan,
Atilla the Hun... over and over and over again.
(T) We’re stuck in a
time loop; they’re putting us in a time loop.
(J) Are we in a time
Q: (D) I have a question about... there was a...
(PAUSE) Mankind has
found it necessary for some reason or other to appoint time for some
reason or other. The only reason I can see is to have a means of
telling, like in verbal or written communications...
A: Control mechanism.
Q: (T) Is there a way for us to break the control mechanism? Besides
moving to 4th density?
(D) That was part...
Q: (D) When 4th density beings communicate it’s telepathic, right?
Q: (D) Okay, since time doesn’t exist, how do you communicate about
A: Rephrase, please; clarify.
Q: (L) What she means to ask is, if you’re communicating
(D) On 4th density..
(L) And time doesn’t exist,
how do you communicate about events as one happens now, as opposed
to later and the next thing happens, and the next thing happens...
(J) How is it sequential?
Q: (D) Translate? Okay, let me explain what I mean. I mean, we talk
about 1907 something happened...
A: That is how it is done.
Q: (T) Translate is how it is done. You translate the experience?
A: From 4 to 3. And vice versa.
Q: (L) So, in other words, it’s almost like making movies.
linear thought processes part of it? Is it being linear and
A: Part of 3d illusion only.
Q: (L) So, in other words, if you’re a 4th density being, everything
is more or less happening, excuse the term happening, everything is
simultaneous, and if you wish to discuss or communicate or have any
focus upon any particular aspect of this unified dimension, then
what you do is you kind of extract it out, project it into 3d...
Q: (L) ... like a movie.
A: But you will not understand fully until you get there
Q: (T) Okay, so it’s a concept that we can’t completely grasp in 3d
at this point.
A: Can a dog grasp algebra? You got it.
Q: (L) In other words, we’re in bad shape! And these guys are
playing games with us, so to speak...
Q: (T) Subjective to whether we’re in bad shape or not.
Q: (T) I was going to say that doesn’t necessarily mean we’re in bad
(L) Well, the situation we find ourselves in, is the only
way of getting out of this time loop, so to speak, to move into
another density, or is there a loop in the other density as well?
Q: (L) No loop in the other density?
A: Yogis can do it.
Q: (L) Yogis can do it...
(T) Transcend time.
(L) Okay, let me ask
this before we really start to go...
A: How they control their own physicality.
Q: (L) Let me ask a few questions here before, I think we’re
breaking up. First of all, there was the television special on the
other night about...
A: What is “breaking up”?
Q: (L) I think it means that everybody’s getting tired and losing
The question I want to ask is about this...
A: You are, but not all others
Q: (L) Well, let me get my question in here, and if you guys want to
sit up all night, I’ll just keep my mouth shut.
A: Laura has “bug” in her system
Q: (L) Okay, I have a bug in my system. I want to know what this
humming sound is that people are hearing all over this country? I
mean people have been reporting hearing this intense humming sound
that literally drives them crazy. There was a TV special on about
this the other night. What is this humming and where is it coming
A: Increased EM waves in preparation for oncoming wave
Q: (L) What is the source of this sound, I mean, where specifically,
location-wise, is it coming from?
Q: (L) Okay, it’s cosmic, it’s not coming from the planet itself.
Okay, what is the greatest weakness of the Lizzies or the Grays in
Q: (T) Yes, that is their greatest weakness; Service to Self.
that in both densities?
Q: (T) Is there a way... can we use that against them?
A: Not correct philosophy.
Q: (T) Very true, very true.
(L) I want to ask a question that Chuck
brought up a little while ago, have we in our group...
A: Let Chuck ask himself.
Q: Has this group been infiltrated by anyone in controlled by the
A: No, not exactly.
Q: (L) Can we get clarification?
A: Have attempted to corrupt communication, but remember, we, too
Q: (D) There was one time when other aliens tried to interject, but
they didn’t succeed.
(L) Yeah, that was in one of the other
transcripts. I think what Chuck meant more specifically other than
other alien communication or communicants was a particular 3
dimensional person, have we ever had such a person attend these
A: Not yet, but “stay tuned.”
Q: (L) Well, I’m done with my questions, we covered my stuff. You
guys are on your own now.
A: Chuck ask.
Q: That was the only question I had, and they answered it.
Q: (L) Are you wondering something?
A: Ask. How truthful the source
is? Up to you to decide
Q: (T) They only provide the information. They want us to make the
decisions as to what we do with it, interpret it, what happens with
it. I’m sure we all look at it slightly differently. We all have a
different way of perceiving things, so we all perceive it
(D) Is the information gathered from the collective
consciousness? A collection of all lessons learned by all humans?
A: Yes, and other sources as well.
Q: (D) Does this include the Lizzies?
Q: (D) That includes you, also?
Q: (D) Okay, can we tune into the collective consciousness?
A: Of course.
Q: (D) Okay, then, are there certain abilities needed to do this
connection into the collective consciousness?
A: You all have all you need.
Q: (D) Well then, if this..
(T) By sitting here, we tap into them
and they tap into us.
(D) If this collective consciousness is a
collection, haven’t all lessons been learned by someone at some
Q: (D) Then can we tune into the collective consciousness to find
how our same lessons have been solved before?
A: Yes. But what is “before?”
Q: (D) Before? No, I didn’t ask...
(J) Before, during, after, these
are all time concepts.
(D) Oh, yeah.
Q: (D) Well, my real question is if all the answers are there, and
we can get there, why are we going through the lessons again? I
mean, why do we have to go through these lessons if the solutions
are already there?
A: Its all just lessons.
Q: (D) I know, that’s what made me ask... I just.. I can’t
understand this.. we
already have the answers, and we’re going through the lessons
all of us have learned all the answers, that’s why we’re all going
(D) But, you see, all the answers are there...
A: Who said “again” ?
Q: (J) Is it more like “still” ?
(D) But if all the answers are
A: You are still thinking at 3rd level.
Q: (D) Yeah, but I’m still trying to understand.. Sorry, guys
A: Don’t “try” so much, just go with it.
Q: (T) It’s like Master Yoda said in Star Wars, “Don’t try, do” ....
Just do it.
Q: (T) See, I knew Star Wars had a redeeming social value.
did Relationships. The how is to do it.
(D) But if the answers are
there, and we can find the answers, to our lessons...
(T) We don’t
have to find the answers, we have the answers. The answers are
within all of us.
(D) It seems so redundant...
(T) Most of the
lessons are to find the right answers...
(D)...to actually go
through the doing of the lessons....
A: No. Not correct idea.
Q: (T) Where were we going with this?
(D) Oh, it was just a wonder
of mine, it’s just like, if we have the answers, I didn’t understand
why we do it.
(J) We’re not supposed to know.
(T) Well, if we have
all the answers, they’re all in us, and we all know the correct
solutions to the lessons, we should always be able to do it right,
but we’re doing it wrong, that means we haven’t learned it right
Q: (L) I know what she’s hanging up on here - what’s the point?
(L) That’s the whole question, what’s the point? And I guess
the point is, is that it’s just...
Q: (L) In other words, just to have something to do (J) Hang on a
second, I want to read something to you. Corinthians 13...
can’t handle this...
(J) just listen. This is from Corinthians 13,
the one about love. “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child, but when I became a
man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass
darkly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then shall I
know, even as I also am known.” And that’s what going from 3rd to
4th is going to be like.
(D) Is that part of the...
(T) Think so?
(Tea kettle starts to whistle.....)
Q: (J) That’s it. We’re not supposed to know it all now. In moving
from 3rd to 4th, is part of the knowledge process.
(T) We gain
Q: (T)...insight we don’t have yet, but we can start working with
what we may not understand what it is we’re doing.
Q: So when you said we’re thinking in 3rd...
A: Stop noise.
Q: (L) Somebody turn off the kettle...
(T) It’s bothering us too,
we’re taking care of it.....
(....Tea kettle whistle is turned off)
....that’s one 3rd density thing we can do! So when you say that
we’re thinking in 3rd density, you’re not always telling us we’re
not thinking correctly, you’re just indicating that we’re thinking
in 3rd density, because we can’t think in any other way.
Q: (T) So not all those shots were shots, they were just saying that
it’s as far
as we can get right now
A: We don’t shoot.
Q: (L) I have a question - do you guys have emotions...
A: Not 3rd level.
Q: (L) Okay, well, then let me ask it this way. What are your
thoughts towards us, or your attitude or emotions, as you know them
towards us? Individually or as a group?
Q: (D) Well, that’s what I needed to hear. [sigh]
(J) Be patient,
we’re not finished yet.
Q: (T) Well, there’s not any of us here alone. They’re us in the
(J) Diana, think of us like those puppies in there. Our eyes
aren’t open yet, but they’ll open up.
A: But there is no time so you are already are where you are, you
see, we are
you in the “future”.
Q: (D) I have a question. Transdimensional atomic
remolecularization, is this teleportation?
Q: (D) Okay, so this is the way we will transfer from 3rd to 4th?
A: Technology for this purpose.
Q: (D) Well, is this the way they’re going to move the new bodies to
the ancient earth?
A: No. That is a natural process.
Q: (T) They’re creating the bodies now with the genetic engineering.
(D) Yeah, I know, but...
A: TDARM is tech.
Q: (T) What was that? Was it a word?
(J) I have no idea. Please
repeat the entire...
Q: (L) Trans Dimensional Atomic ReMolecularization! Got it.
on the tip of everybody’s tongue these days!
(D) Down at the church
they gave me a list of prayers and symbols to use in a ritual where
I would say a prayer while I had my hand on a symbol and the purpose
A: Rituals restrict
Q: (D) So, in other words, that did not connect my DNA chains.
Q: (D) Okay, well that’s what I thought, but I went ahead and did it
because I didn’t want to pass up an opportunity!
Q: (T) Stop rituals. They don’t approve of any rituals, it blocks
the flow, it restricts.
(D) That’s fine, I won’t do it any more.
Pure universal knowledge includes everything, and if you establish a
ritual, that means you are adhering to one line of thought, one mode
of thinking, one idea structure, and, excluding all others.
that in the thing, did I miss that?
(T) In different words, it’s in
there several times.
(L) You may not have gotten it, you only have
part of the transcripts, you only have about 100 pages.
(D) I got up
to file 3, page 41.
(L) You don’t have a whole lot of it. You’re
probably missing parts of it.
(T) You really have to read through it
(D) I don’t want to look like a pseudo- intellect...
You’re trying to understand.
Q: (T) Is it ok if we bring our friend Brad Merrill?
A: Up to you.
Q: (T) Would he be a good addition to the group?
Q: (T) What are his feelings towards what we’re doing?
Q: (T) Puzzled about the purpose?
A: Does not conform to his belief system.
Q: (J) I could hear it in his voice when I was telling him, he
wasn’t being openly receptive, but he wasn’t being combative about
it, either. He was open...
(Freddy) Is he a MUFON person?
He’s scientifically based. He’s following Hoagland’s stuff.
Well, I’ve got that tape, too, and I think there’s something to
(T) He talks with Hoagland, he’s in contact with Hoagland...
(D) Terry, do you want to ask about what the individuals in this
group are going to do in the future?
Q: (T) Is Jan’s mom’s estate going to be settled relatively quickly
Q: (T) Is it going to make everybody happy, the outcome?
A: Subjective. Open.
Q: (T) When we were talking about other people, let me throw another
name out here, Robert Dean, do you know who he is?
Q: (T) Is he telling the truth as he knows it?
Q: (T) Is there more to what he knows, he’s just not telling all of
Q: (T) Is he as honest and up front as he seems to be?
Q: (T) Is he doing disinformation for the government?
Q: (T) He’s really a good speaker. Is he doing disinformation for
A: No. Withholds.
Q: (T) He’s withholding information?
Q: (J) He’s withholding MJ12 information?
(T) Well, it could be
anything. He’s made several sweeping statements and has lots of
facts and figures and stuff that he was privy to when he was in the
military in NATO, was all that information abou the “Assessment” and
all that stuff all true?
Q: (T) Was he allowed to see it on purpose?
Q: (T) So his story about that it was there in the security vault,
and because he had access and because he was able to see it, and
that he just was intrigued by it is true?
Q: (T) Okay. Is he going to tell the rest of what he knows?
Q: (T) Is he in danger because he is telling the truth?
Q: (T) Also, it’s smart to tell the truth as loudly as you can, and
in front of as many people as you can. He’s an amazing speaker, and
the things he has to say.... to me, his body language is that he’s
telling the truth. I have a question about a friend, Nova
Montgomery, is she open to this?
Q: (T) We’ve told her some about this, does she.. how does she feel?
Q: (T) How does she feel about what we’ve told her so far?
Q: What is my son’s next duty station?
A: Open. Will he even stay in?
Q: There’s someone who owes me a great deal of money, will they
pay within the next few months?
A: You must act upon this.
Q: (T) Will Chuck have to go as far as taking him to court?
Q: (T) Does Chuck have a good lawyer? Humor! mirth! Don’t answer
that! All the good ones are in California right now! Oh, OJ. I think
even they are bored with OJ by now! (J) Are you bored with OJ by
Q: (T) What major event is happening under the cover of the OJ trial
Q: (T) You mean we’re just getting stuck with all this snow, and
there ain’t even anything happening?
A: Diversion by opportunity.
Q: (T) What a waste of a good diversion if there isn’t anything
going on! Here’s this great diversion and they don’t even have
anything to hide behind it! (D) Is Sara having some problems that
she’s not coming to me about?
Q: (D) Is there anything that you can tell me about this?
A: Diana, communicate, as we told you.
Q: (D) What did I forget?
(T) What have you been doing on your own?
(J) Have you been ‘surfing’ the cosmos on your own? Surfing the
board, so to speak?
(T) Well, it will come to you; they’ve told you
something and it will come back.
(D) Would you mind clarifying that, I don’t know...
(T) What was it you
A: Communicate, don’t preach.
Q: (D) Thanks for the help, yeah, you’re right. Is there anything
else I can do to help Sarah?
Q: (J) Do you have any messages for any of us tonight?
Q: (T) Do you have anything you would like to communicate to the
A: Not this session.
Q: (T) You predicted a quake in Japan, near Osaka, several sessions
back, you were off by the magnitude a little bit and by the miles a
little bit, but basically you were correct. What between that
prediction and the prediction for the Tokyo quak e can Japan expect?
A: Not correct interpretation. Osaka quake yet to be.
Q: (T) So this was not the quake that you predicted the 8.9, this
was a 7.2, but it was miles distance from Osaka almost right on the
money, but this was not the quake that you predicted?
going to be another one coming?
A: Yes 14 more this sequence sequence (?? 14 more this sequence ??)
Q: (T) 14 more quakes?
(J) I’m sorry, I’m losing it real bad
tonight, I don’t know why.
(D) Are you breaking up?
(J) No, it’s me.
Please repeat the answer.
(T) We’re having problems down here in 3rd
density this evening!
Q: (T) This is one in a sequence of earthquakes that are going to
culminate in the 8.9?
A: 9 pt 6
Q: (T) In Osaka, near Osaka?
Q: Okay, that’s the one you talked about, then a 9.6, that’s going
to be the culmination of the quakes in this. This is only the 3rd or
4th in a sequential series and the 8.9 that’s going to hit them
hasn’t happened yet.
Q: (T) This is the 7th earthquake?
Q: (T) 7.2 was the 7th earthquake, there’s going to be 14 of them,
is that what you said before?
Q: (J) So there’s 7 more coming?
(T) So the 14th one will be the big
one, in Tokyo?
Q: (T) Okay, the 13th is going to be the 9.6 and I think the other
prediction was 9.8, they’re close. That’ll be the 13th. What will be
the 8.9, which one of those will be the Osaka 8.9?
A: Within next 4.
Q: (T) What will the 14th be?
Q: (T) So they’re going out anticlimactically on the last quake. Is
Mt. Fujiyama going to explode, is the volcano going to become active
Q: (T) Will these quakes, is China, Korea, Philippines and the
surrounding area also going to be affected as these quakes increase
Q: (T) Are we talking about putting about 30% of the world’s
industrial output out of business in the next year and a half or so?
Q: (T) They’re not going to recover anytime soon, ok so when this
all happens is there going to be an effect on California of all of
this, on the West Coast of this country?
Q: (T) Not just California. Is Los Angeles going to be hit with any
of these big earthquakes as the plate on the other side moves?
Q: (T) What magnitude?
Q: (T) Where will that happen?
A: San Gabriel Mountains.
Q: (T) Is that outside of Los Angeles? San Andreas Fault line?
Q: (T) Will this be very destructive to Los Angeles?
A: What do you think?
Q: (T) In the destruction of this area, is this going to increase
the job potential on the East Coast, in order to then, this is
really serious stuff here, because this is going to affect the
economy the way it shifts...
Q: (T) So it...
A: Mass exodus from California.
Q: (T) Those dumb people out there looked at that Osaka stuff and
said, “Oh, you know, that might happen to us. OHHH, boy, the brain
finally fired up out there.
(J) They’ve been in denial about that
(D) Will that bring an influx of people to Florida?
A: Yes. 15 quakes.
Q: (D) And then they’re going to move.
(T) 15 quakes in the
A: In near future.
Q: (T) Are we talking strictly the West Coast here?
Q: (T) Are there going to be earthquakes elsewhere in the United
Q: (T) 15 in the near future in California alone...
(D) This is the
beginning of the destruction of the state of California, there’ll be
separation from the North American continent.
(T) Well, they said
don’t take that literally, or it will fall off, it’s symbolic...
Q: (T) So look at it symbolically.
(J) Where are the other
quakes going to be?
Q: (T) Hundreds? Hundreds of earthquakes. Hundreds of places?
Q: There’s going to be that many additional earthquakes? Beside the
15 in California?
Q: (T) We’re going to be rocking and rolling on this continent! Of
course, when you move a plate, that’s a lot of stuff. Are we going
to be seeing a lot of water damage on the coast?
Q: (T) Is the West Coast of Florida going to see a rising water
A: That is vague.
Q: (T) Is there going to be earthquakes in Florida?
A: Seismically stable.
Q: (T) Will the seismic activity cause the water level in Florida to
Q: (T) So, for the time being, during the quakes, we’ll be fairly
safe, but there’s other things to worry about beside that?
Q: (D) are we talking hurricanes?
Q: (J) Will there be any damage from such storms in this area?
Q: Are these caused by nature?
(T) Is all this activity being.. is
Q: (D) If I were to go down to Hiala Dean’s, is there anything I can
do in the way of healing that would help him?
Q: Laura says goodnight. We’re closing up
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February 9, 1995
Freddie, Laura, S
Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello. Very good.
Q: (L) What is very good?
Q: (L) I have here Barbara’s latest book...
A: Ego driven.
Q: (L) This book is ego driven? So this is not so much true
channeling as ego?
Q: (L) Is there any possibility that she has been corrupted and is
A: No. Under pressure, constriction.
Q: (L) So, the pressure has constricted the flow. I think I would
like to ask a few questions about Freddie and his tiredness. What
can we do to help Freddie with his tiredness?
A: Nothing, it is process of progress.
Q: (L) I want to ask a little bit about this process of “unwinding”
S__ has been facilitating with my body. Have you guys been watching?
A: Always. You have just accessed and outed globules of energy.
Q: (S) It’s an energy cyst.
(Laura) What is the original reason for
the presence of the energy?
A: Anger from age 22 when you were in severe depression and had
plans for suicide. The negative energy went to your arms. [was there some past
life impetus for depression at this particular age?]
Q: (L) Is that what is wrong with my neck, also?
A: No. That is fibrous tumor.
Q: (S) Is my work going to help diminish it?
Q: (L) S__ has been having unusual experiences in awareness as she
reads the transcripts...
A: We are blasting open her awareness.
Q: (L) Well, she has been having quite a bit of success by following
her inner guidance. She has also been accessing knowledge as she
reads the transcripts, even well in advance of others, it seems. Is
Q: (Laura) I went to talk to the group in Orlando area and I am sure
you guys had your secret eye camera while I was there. What I would
like to know is what thoughts were in the mind of Jiles and how did
he react to my talk?
A: This ego is sexually focused and he reacts mainly to what he has
Q: (L) Okay, this H__ B__ was a rather interesting person, I
perceived something very unusual about him but I can’t put my finger
on it. Initially I thought he was a positive influence, or that he
was one who had a great deal of knowledge, but later I thought I
might be wrong in that assessment. And yet, there was something
about him that I recognized. What was going through his mind?
Q: (L) Can you tell me anything about this person, or does it
A: No, it doesn’t matter.
Q: (L) Did I present the material in the way it should be presented?
Q: (L) Is it true that when you die you go to the “Bardo?”
A: What is that?
Q: (L) Anything we need to to know at this time?
A: Not tonight. Ask on the eleventh.
Q: (L) Well, goodnight.
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