December 9, 1994
Freddie and Laura
Q: (L) Hello.
Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?
A: [Name lost]
Q: (L) And where are you from?
Q: (L) Now, tell me the name of the beings D__ M__ experienced as
preying Mantises in her hypnosis session?
A: Her essence.
Q: (L) But, in that reality don’t they have a name?
A: Too complex to answer adequately in this medium.
Q: (L) Well, you said that the beings that V__ encountered were
Minturians, aren’t they the same?
Q: (L) Is there a difference between essence beings and incarnate
Q: (L) So we have a distinct difference. Okay, who were the ant/fly
beings she described?
A: Her essence too.
Q: (L) And what were those snakey, slug-like beings that she saw?
Q: (L) Are you saying that all of this stuff is who she is? All of
these horrible creatures and these..
A: In some of the alternate realities.
Q: (L) Do I have creatures like that that are my essence?
Q: (L) My essence is something that horrible and dark and icky?
Q: (L) Well, weren’t those horrible icky beings eating little
children? Weren’t those real human children?
A: How do you think you are viewed by deer, for example?
Q: (L) Well, I can immediately see that. I saw that already. I mean,
cows and chickens would have to view us that way. I mean, it’s
A: Roaches, too.
Q: (L) Is that why the night before D__’s session, I dreamed of ants
that I could have stepped on and smashed, and for some reason I
decided I did not want to take the life of even a single ant?
Q: (L) Was that dream preparing me for what I was going to
experience in that session?
Q: (L) Well, what do we do about these essence parts of ourselves? I
mean, I don’t like it that there may be something of the predator in
me. I would like to not have it, or get rid or it, or transform it,
A: Wait and see.
Q: (L) Well, am I going to have to remember myself doing things like
that in order to come to terms with it?
Q: (L) Is that going to happen to me, that I am going to have
memories like that surfacing?
Q: (L) Well, I can’t even cope with it in someone else, how am I
going to deal with it in myself?
A: You will.
Q: (L) Is this something we are all going to have to do?
A: All eligible.
Q: (L) And who is eligible?
A: 4th density candidates.
Q: (L) Is Freddie going to have to remember these things, too?
Q: (L) How does one know that one is a 4 D candidate?
A: You gradually “awaken”.
Q: (L) Are my children 4 D candidates? And my husband? You have to
tell me this. If I have to deal with things, let me do it a little
at a time.
A: You are not in correct frame of mind.
Q: (L) Well, that sounds ominous.
A: Wait for answer.
Q: (L) Wait until when?
A: You are ready.
Q: (L) So, in other words, some people may have to leave behind
children or mates, or siblings or parents, is that true?
A: If so, will be prepared.
Q: (L) Is there any way to tell if someone is a 4 D candidate?
A: Inquire of them.
Q: (L) And, will they know?
A: Yes, at some level. In a sense. Those who are chosen feel it. You
Q: (L) Well, I happen to think that my family is extremely special.
A: So do all.
Q: (L) I have taken a great deal of time and care with spiritual
matters. Is that because it was my obsession or did they choose me
because of this?
Q: (L) Did the Minturians, the preying mantis beings that V__
experienced in her regression, did those preying mantises eat
A: Too complex for your thought patterns of this session. You are
Q: (L) Well, is that what is wrong with me tonight. You aren’t
telling me much.
A: Biological, and we are telling plenty, you are not “hearing”
biological factors have temporarily pushed you back more into 3 D.
Q: (L) Would it be a good idea to do the Reiki exercises and stop
A: Your cycle may stop soon anyway.
Q: (L) Well, is it true that that exercise, when it stops your
cycle, it also stops the aging process?
Q: (L) Would it be beneficial.
Q: (L) But, I thought you guys said I had another baby waiting to
A: Does not necessarily mean will make it.
Q: (L) So, am I going through the change here?
A: Not yet.
Q: (L) When will it start?
Q: (L) Is S__ going to pay me the money she owes me?
Q: (L) What are the odds?
A: Depends on your efforts.
Q: (L) Does that mean that I have to now send her a certified letter
through my attorney?
A: Up to you.
Q: (L) And, if I do this, will she pay?
Q: (L) Have the B__’s made their final payment to Fleet?
A: Not yet.
Q: (L) Will they pay on Monday?
Q: (L) When will I get my SSI check?
A: Within 10 days?
Q: (L) When will I get my monthly check?
A: The same.
Q: (L) And how much will the back pay be?
A: 3000 approximately.
Q: (L) And how much will we get from Paul with the deed to the
Q: (L) Back, a year or so ago, when we talked to Keith on the board,
and you verified that it was Keith, Keith gave us a set of numbers
that came in within 8 days of the day he gave them to us. Now, if
he, as an earthbound spirit, was capable of giving us a set of
numbers that came in within 10 days, could you not do the same?
A: Maybe, when all is well.
Q: (L) In other words, when I am not in this crummy mood?
Q: (L) Is there any qualification that needs to be established for
us to get the lottery numbers? Is there some thing we have to do, or
be, or think, or say?
A: Completely pure intent, i.e. open.
Q: (L) Completely open?
Q: (L) Our anticipation constricts the channel when we ask for that
kind of information?
Q: (L) We have to be completely uncaring whether we get it or not,
so to speak?
A: Happy-go-lucky attitude helps. As you were before.
Q: (L) So, as long as we are worried, tense, anticipatory, and
attached to the idea, we constrict the flow?
Q: (L) Now, you said in an earlier session that you were making
financial arrangements for us. Well, I am not putting any weight or
pressure on that, but, does that have anything to do with M__ T__
and referrals for hypnosis?
A: Maybe. Don’t be anticipatory. Faith, dear.
Q: (L) Thank you and good night.
A: Good night.
End of Session
Back to Contents
December 10, 1994
Freddie, Laura, Terry and Jan.
Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello. Poinsettia.
Q: (L) What?
A: Just came to mind.
Q: (L) Is that in our minds?
A: No, ours.
Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
A: Cassiopaea calling.
Q: (L) What is your name?
Q: (L) I want to ask again for the benefit of Terry and Jan, what or
who were the beings seen by D__ M__ in her hypnotic regression the
A: Her essence.
Q: (L) Were these in any way physical beings on the earth we occupy
in space/time from where we are at this moment?
Q: (L) This happened in a so-called alternate reality?
A: Is still.
Q: (L) So, in some alternate reality, D__ is a preying mantis being
eating little children?
A: And so are you. And all others.
Q: (L) This is an essence of what?
A: Her being.
Q: (L) Are these aspects of our being coming to earth as part of the
realm border crossing?
Q: (L) Are all of us going to have to face these aspects of
ourselves as other beings?
Q: (L) Are there other parts of us in all realms doing other things
at this moment?
Q: (L) And how is this going to be affected by the realm border
A: Will merge.
Q: (L) Do we need to do extensive hypnosis to bring these aspects of
ourselves up and deal with these things a little at a time?
A: Will happen involuntarily. Will be like a thermonuclear blast.
Message follows: See pattern. Orion, Pleiades, Arcturas, Cassiopaea; check
distances from earth; progress locator for wave combined with earth
references of space time. For you to figure out. Cross reference
channeled messages, printing dates and location. We are where we
Q: (L) What do you mean you are where you are?
A: Cross reference Time and distance.
Q: (L) What book do we need to cross reference?
A: Any star chart and Marciniak, Arcturas Channel, Orion literature
and Us. We
speak from “crest” of wave, now, where are we?
Q: (L) Is this a riddle?
A: From, not of.
Q: (L) You speak from the crest of the wave?
(T) Are you riding the
Q: (L) You said in another reading that you were 6 thousand miles...
A: Window of transmission.
Q: (L) We are certainly hoping that you are going to make all of
this plain and clear...
A: It is.
Q: (L) Well, can you help us poor 2 strand DNA creatures to
A: How far away is Cassiopaea?
Q: (L) Do we need specific distances?
A: General is okay.
Q: (L) So, if we just find the general distances... and does each of
these star clusters represent a general area of the wave?
A: Each represents locator in space time. You can judge speed and
ETA by cross
referencing distance with publishing dates and these messages from
Q: (L) I got it! You mean that YOU are the Arcturians, the
Pleiadians, and now you are the “Cassiopaeans” because you “are
where you are”! And you are riding the wave. Is this wave a straight
line connecting all these constellations?
A: Circuitous or cyclical route.
Q: (L) So, is it like a spiral?
Q: (L) So we really need to set up a map so we can draw it?
Q: (L) When we speak from Orion we are “Orions”. When from Pleiades,
we are “Pleiadian”, and so on.
Q: (L) So, all of these
channeled books you have mentioned are
coming from the same basic source, through different channels, that
they are able to connect with because of their different positions
in space time and preparation level of the channels, is that
A: Close. We have given you a Wave crest locator. We are from where
we are and
speak. Get it?
Q: (L) You are the wave crest?
We are Marciniak’s Pleiadians. We are where we are.
Q: (T) So, you are not really Cassiopaeans from the Constellation
A: We are Transient Passengers.
Q: (T) So, when the wave reaches earth and you are transmitting to
somebody else out there you will represent yourselves as the
A: When wave reaches earth, we merge with you.
Q: (L) When you were at Orion, did you merge with the Orions?
A: Not on same frequency for realm border crossing.
Q: (L) What effect did the wave have on the Orion sector?
A: None. Already at 4th density level.
Q: (L) Where did the wave originate?
A: Did not.
Q: (L) Has it always been cycling through the universe?
Q: (T) Okay, you are riding on the crest of this wave in 6th
density, is this true?
A: Yes. We are you in 6th density.
Q: (T) You are we, that is me Terry, Laura, Jan and Freddie?
Q: (L) Are you alternate selves extending into higher densities?
A: At your current reference point in space time, we are you in the
Q: (T) We are your destiny?
A: And vice versa.
Q: (L) You are not, by any chance, one of those weird ant or preying
mantis beings are you?
A: Yes and no.
Q: (T) You are just another part of ourselves? You, us, the Lizards,
the ants, the grays, the trees...
A: We are your whole self as you/we are in 6th density.
Q: (T) So, what we are working to become is You? You are us?
Q: (T) So, when we move to 4th density and become whole with
ourselves, we will know you also for a short time?
A: Not whole yet when at 4th density.
Q: (T) But in order to move to 4th density...
Q: (T) We, us, in this room, are closer than others are?
A: No. Closer when at 4th density.
Q: (L) When S__ was under hypnosis she described seeing a fleet of
space ships “riding a wave” and this unnerved her. She felt this
wave was a fearful, invasion-type thing. Was this you and your wave
she was perceiving?
A: Wave is transport mode.
Q: (L) Is that transport mode for many beings?
Q: (L) Are you coming to invade us?
A: No, merge.
Q: (L) Are others coming with the intention of invading us?
Q: (L) And, when you merge with us, are you going to empower us to
resist and defend ourselves?
A: Wave is “crowded.”
Q: (T) So, everybody out in the whole universe who want a piece of
the earth action are on this wave?
A: At realm border crossing.
Q: (L) Let me ask a couple of quick questions to get them out of the
way, unless you have something you really... I mean, you pretty much
gave us what we need on that... this channeled material received
A: Oh yeah?
Q: (L) Well, I guess they are telling me that we did not get all we
needed on that subject. But, we can come back to it.
A: You may ask questions if you wish.
Q: (L) Well, I don’t want to cramp anybody’s style here.
(T) Oh, go
ahead, they’re crowded on the wave already anyway. Okay, here is a
transcript I received in the mail from a group called “Cosmic
Q: (T) Well, I love a 6th density being with a sense of humor.
Has the base at
Area 51 been moved to Kirtland as this stuff says?
Q: (T) Is there a base at Area 51?
A: Yes. Kirtland has a new addition.
Q: (L) Is the base at Area 51 where our military and aliens are
working in conjunction?
A: They have recovered craft of grays, but human and alien personnel
working together there.
Q: (T) Are the craft actually captured?
A: Recovered from crash.
Q: (T) Have any alien beings given the government craft?
Q: (L) Why not?
A: Would you give mice
Q: (L) How do these insect beings, these other manifestations of
ourselves, how do they view our treatment of insects on this planet?
Q: (L) Is that because the insects on our planet are not sentient
Q: (T) How do the insect beings handle insects on their planet?
A: They are the insects on their planet.
Q: (L) Do they have pests on their planet like little miniature
humans that run
around and tear up their groceries?
(T) Any energizer bunnies?
Q: (L) But really, do they have pests?
Q: (L) Well, with serious intent, do they have pests on their planet
like we do?
A: No. Microbic.
Q: (L) Well, do they exterminate them like we do?
Q: (L) Can we understand our pests as something that has been
inflicted on us by the Lizzies. I always did wonder why God created
Q: (L) When we go into 4th density are we going to be free of
mosquitoes, roaches, slimy worms, slugs and so on?
Q: (L) In conjunction with DNA changes, is there any similarity
between the human race and the idea of transformation relating to
populations such as grasshoppers into locusts?
Q: (L) When grasshoppers turn into locusts, they swarm when their
population gets too large.
A: All is part of natural cyclical process.
Q: (L) Was the DNA change that we are experiencing
programmed into us
so that after so many generations these changes would just sort of
Q: (L) So, we all selected certain bodies before we incarnated that
would be prime for this programming?
A: Are you ready to be hermaphrodites?
Q: (L) Is that what we are going to be?
A: Wait and see.
Q: (T) Since you are riding this wave, in order to communicate,
since the wave is what you are using to focus this contact with, and
you are, whoever you may be at whatever point the wave is, you gave
Barbara Marciniak information under the name “Pleiadians”. You are
telling us this. Have you told the other people, such as Barbara
Marciniak, that you are contacting other people?
Q: (L) So, Barbara may not know that the contacts are the same only
under a different name?
Q: (L) Is it because she didn’t ask?
A: Progressive information. Also, system is like mosaic.
Q: (L) Does this mean that different people get different pieces of
Q: (T) But, you have told us that you have contacted others under
Q: (T) Have you told the others?
Q: (T) Why have you not contacted the others and told them this?
A: Just answered. Progressive.
Q: (T) Are you still contacting Barbara?
A: Not at this point. She is in pause mode.
Q: (T) Does she know this?
A: Yes. Write to her and tell her to call “Cassiopaea”. Next stop is
Q: (T) In some time in the future, the next sending point is Leo.
Does that mean that at some point we will not be able to contact
A: We just told you who to call.
Q: (T) Well, what I am having trouble understanding is why we have
to call to a certain space point. We are now in touch, does this
channel not stay open?
A: Reference point.
Q: (T) So it doesn’t matter as long as we meet regularly to talk
Q: (T) Barbara is also able to continue talking to you even though
you are no
longer the Pleiadians?
A: She may talk to someone else.
Q: (T) Are you saying that she is
channeling some other source at
Q: (L) J.Z. Knight supposedly
channeled Ramtha. Who was Ramtha?
A: Originally valid source.
Q: (L) Did that change?
Q: (T) So she faked it?
Q: (L) I wanted to ask about something you mentioned last night; I
haven’t transcribed the tape, but you said something about being a
4th density candidate and I had not heard you use the term before.
What is a 4th density candidate?
Q: (L) How does one get to be a 4th density candidate?
A: Natural progression.
Q: (L) Is everyone on this planet a 4th density candidate?
Q: (L) How many are there?
Q: (L) Could someone become a candidate overnight who is not now a
Q: (T) How many strands of DNA do we have?
A: Terry, 4; Freddy, 4; Jan, 3; Laura, 3.
Q: (L) Well, gee... does this have anything to do with sex?
Q: (L) Are you telling us that Freddy and Terry are smarter than Jan
A: You are growing your 4th, 5th and 6th right now.
Q: (T) If our 3rd density were to examine our DNA right now would
they see this?
A: They would call it Junk DNA.
Q: (T) Would it be noticeable as DNA that was not there before?
Q: (Freddy) They would have to compare to a baseline.
A: (L) Were
Lemuria the most ancient of Earth’s
Q: (L) What advanced civilizations were before Atlantis and Lemuria?
Q: (L) Was there an ancient advanced civilization located in the
area we now call Antarctica?
Q: (L) What was the name of this civilization?
Q: (L) What kind of individuals lived in Gor?
A: 18 feet tall.
Q: (L) Were they humanoid and did they look like us?
Q: (L) Were they male and female like us?
Q: (L) And did they have space travel capabilities?
A: No interest.
Q: (L) Are there any remains of their civilization left?
Q: (L) Did they only inhabit Antarctica?
Q: (L) Did they inhabit the whole world?
Q: (L) Are there any remains in Florida?
Q: (L) Where might the remains be found
Q: (L) Where in South America?
A: Amazon. Ancient legend of Amazons.
Q: (L) Do our scientists know any of this?
Q: (L) Are there remains of Atlantis and Lemuria?
Q: (L) Do our scientists know of any of those?
Q: (L) Are they withholding information on purpose?
Q: (L) Have they any intention of telling about it?
Q: (L) Do they have relics of these stored?
Q: (L) I would like to know if there is anything T__ G__ could do to
enhance his recovery from cancer?
A: PMA. Positive Mental Attitude.
Q: (L) In our cultural experience we have a lot of very strange
things that our young people participate in. Among these activities
is the use of extremely loud stereo systems that quite literally
vibrate the cells in their bodies until they turn to jelly. Could
you tell me, please, the long term physiological effects of this
kind of exposure of the human body to these loud booming noises?
A: Strange thought patterns.
Q: (L) What effects are these violently loud stereos having on
Q: (L) Are these effects negative?
Q: (L) Are these effects less than conducive to optimum health?
Q: (L) What can these very loud booming sounds do to the body?
A: Make the body go “boom boom.” (Much laughter)
Q: (J) Blue Cheer concert, 1969; group advertised as the loudest in
existence, and they were. I sat ten feet from the speakers and
couldn’t hear for three hours afterward and had ringing in the ears
for several days. That was the last concert I went to.
(L) Is this
part of a plot to destroy the minds and bodies of our young people?
Q: (J) Or are they just being stupid?
A: Good answer.
Q: (L) On two separate occasions you have mentioned
Andarans. I have
never heard of them before. Who are they and why have you mentioned
them? Where did they come from and what did they look like?
A: One question at a time.
Q: (L) Who are the Andarans?
Thought forms for STS.
Q: (L) What level of density are they?
Q: (L) So, they are at the contemplative level?
Q: (L) Where do they come from?
A: 5th level.
Q: (L) Can you tell us what is the Rainbow Bridge referred to in
Bringers of the Dawn. Is this what you were talking about when you
spoke of our group being a conduit?
Q: (L) What happens psychically at the moment of orgasm?
A: For whom?
Q: (L) For anybody. In just a general way. Does anything happen to a
person psychically when they have sexual climax.
Q: (L) Is it different for each individual?
Q: (L) Is it different for males from females?
Q: (L) The reason I ask is because a man named
Wayne Cook did some
work with dowsing and he found out that the human body, after sexual
climax, dowses the same pattern as a dead body. Why is this?
Draining of energy.
Q: (L) Okay, where does the energy drain to?
A: To the ether.
Q: (L) Does the energy go to one or the other partner?
Q: (L) Is it possible, during this activity, for Lizzies or other
beings to be hanging around and be drawing this energy?
Q: (L) Is that, in a general sense, what often happens?
Q: (L) Is this one of the reasons that sex has been promoted and
promulgated in our society to such an extent...
A: Yes, yes, yes.
Q: (T) Was there anybody hanging around us last night?
A: Sure, why not.
Q: (T) Cause we’re that good?
(L) Terry! Now, Otto Muck came to the
conclusion that the final breaking up of Atlantis occurred on June
5, 8498 B.C. Is this pretty close?
What happened to the Mayans?
A: Taken by Lizard beings to cosmos in 4 D. “Lizzieland.”
Q: (L) What did they do with them there?
A: Many possibilities.
Q: (L) Do any of those possibilities include having them for dinner?
Sorry about that, I couldn’t help myself.
(J) “Mayan Helper.” And I
Q: (L) How big was the main island of Atlantis?
A: 1,354,000 square miles.
Q: (L) There is a woman named J__ A__ who channels a robot named
Cytron. Is this a put on or is she really channeling a super
Q: (T) Emergency, emergency, Dr. Smith!
(L) A few months ago I had
A__ in trance to do spirit viewing for several people. In several
frames of reference she saw a funny little grinning man with big,
pointed ears, wearing black, boots and holding a whip, darting about
and hiding behind people. Who was this little guy?
A: He was a carnal thought form.
Q: (L) And who created this carnal thought form that was zipping
Q: (L) Who was the host?
A: The subject with whom it appeared. It indicated an individual
Q: (L) I would like to know... my friend, Keith Laumer, who died
last year, I am a little bit curious since he came and hung around
me for a time after death, did we have a past life relationship and
if so what were the dynamics?
A: Yes. You must learn this yourself. Are you learning yet? You keep
asking 3rd level questions.
Q: (T) You talk about both
STO and STS. Yet you tell us that we need
to learn to be STO. Why is there a difference between what we have
to do and what you are doing?
A: STO is balance because you serve self through others.
Q: (T) You have said a couple of times that you are STS by being
STO. Is this not true?
A: Yes. Already answered.
Q: (T) Kind of like: what goes around, comes around?
Q: (T) Is STO a means to an end for STS?
A: No. STO is balance. STS is imbalance.
Q: (T) How can you be STS through STO if STS is imbalance?
A: STO flows outward and touches all including point of origin, STS
flows inward and touches only origin point.
Q: (T) Well, they refer in the material that I am reading through,
that they are STS through STO.
(L) They serve self BY serving
(T) Is that what they mean?
(T) Is that what we’re
supposed to do, serve ourselves by serving others?
(T) Yeah! Because
what goes around, comes around. If you serve others then you get
(F) Because when you serve yourself, all there is is an
infinite number of individuals serving self.
(T) There is no energy
exchange, no synergy within the group; there is no exchange.
Everything moves inward.
(T) There is no sharing, no growth, there
is no nothing.
(F) No interconnecting.
(T) Right! There is no
(L) In terms of major STS, this may or may not be related,
could you tell us the nature of a Black Hole?]
A: Grand Scale STS.
Q: (L) Is it like a being that has achieved such a level of STS that
it has literally imploded in on itself in some way?
A: Close analogy.
Q: (T) Possibly an entire civilization of STS?
Q: (L) Well, maybe a civilization can’t do it because that implies
working together. It must need to be an individual being.
A: Black Holes are a natural force reflection of Free Will
of STS. Notice that Black Holes are located at center of spiral
energy forces, all else radiates outward.
Q: (L) Now, you say “spiral” energy forces, and you also have said
that this wave is a spiral. Is the central point of this wave that
is spiraling, a black hole?
Q: (L) Is it a radiating wave?
A: All in creation is just that: a radiating wave.
Q: (L) Where does the energy go that gets sucked into a black hole?
A: Inward to total nonexistence.
Q: (L) Well, if a black hole continues to suck stuff in, is it
possible that it would eventually suck in the entire creation?
Q: (L) Why is that?
A: Universe is all encompassing.
Black holes are final destination
of all STS
Q: (F) So, does this mean that we, or anyone else who is classified
as STS, remains on said path, that we will eventually end up in a
Q: (L) Well, that is pleasant. And what happens to energy that is
A: Total non-existence balances total existence. Guess what is total
Q: (L) Well, is it kind of like a balancing force?
Q: (T) Are we talking about the
creator god as in the Pleiadians?
A: Not Pleiadians. Prime Creator.
Q: (T) What is the difference between the Prime Creator and “God?”
A: None. As long as you exist, you are of the Prime Creator.
Q: (L) Now, this stuff that goes into Black Holes, that goes into
non-existence, is that, then, not part of the Prime Creator?
Q: (L) How can Prime Creator lose any part of him or itself?
A: Prime Creator does not “lose” anything.
Q: (L) Well, then, how would you describe this energy that was in
existence and then is no longer in existence because it has become
or gone into a Black Hole?
A: Reflection is regenerated at level 1.
Q: (L) So, this energy goes into a Black Hole and... does it come
out on the
Q: (L) Does it become like a primal atom?
Q: (T) Does it go back into the cycle?
A: No. Reflection regenerates as primal atoms.
Q: (L) So, this energy that is sucked into the Black Holes... what
(T) When we put out energy as positive or negative energy, and there
are beings on other levels that feed on this energy, is this true?
Q: (T) Okay, and you said that the Lizzies feed on the negative
Q: (T) Who feeds on the positive energy?
A: You do.
Q: (T) How do we feed on the positive energy?
A: Progression toward union with the one, I.E. level 7.
Q: (L) In other words, you fuel your own generator instead of
fueling someone else’s.
(T) You are at level 6, what do you feed on?
A: You have the wrong concept. We give to others and receive from
others of the STO. We feed each other.
Q: (L) So, by feeding each other you move forward and grow but those
of the STS path do not feed each other so must feed off of others.
(T) Now, you are talking to us now. This is considered STO?
Q: (T) We are providing energy for the channel also, does that
provide you with energy?
Q: (F) You are not keeping up with the program, Terry.
(L) What do
you want from us?
A: We don’t want when pure STO. We came because YOU wanted. But that
until you share with others.
Q: (L) So, it is necessary that we share this information?
A: Up to you, it is a free will choice.
Q: (L) Is there some risk to ourselves by sharing this information?
A: At some level, but there is “risk” to all things.
Q: (T) I have a question: where do you get all your cute little
clichés and sayings?
A: We access the human condition.
Q: (L) In one of my Fate magazines over there I read a story about a
fellow who discovered an enormous structure in a cave when he was
wounded and hiding there during the war. It was in Europe somewhere.
I am visualizing the image. What was this thing this man found in
A: Magnesium wall made by Lizard beings. Constructed 309,448 years
ago. It was
part of a base. It was buried during cataclysms.
Q: (L) What is buried on Oak Island?
Q: (L) What is a regenerator?
Q: (L) Who put it there?
A: Lizard beings.
Q: (L) When did they put it there?
A: 10,000 years ago, approximately.
Q: (L) Do they use it from time to time?
Q: (L) Does it still work?
A: It could.
Q: (T) What is the purpose of a remolecularizer?
(L) Yeah, what do
you use it for? Entertain your friends at parties?
A: Regenerate matter.
Q: (L) Such as physical bodies?
Q: (L) So, you just go and stand next to it or inside it or whatever
and it regenerates you?
A: Any matter.
Q: (L) Well, that would be a really handy thing to have in the barn.
Is there any way to get it out of there?
A: Maybe. Are you planning an expedition?
Q: (L) No, we’re just being nosy. How deep is it buried?
Q: (T) Well, we can send it in to a treasure hunter’s magazine and
give somebody an idea of how far they have to go.
(L) Yeah, tell
them what it is and they will go whole hog for it.
(T) Yeah. It’s a
regenerator. “What?” Well, it’s a remolecularizer. What’s wrong with
you? Where have you been? You never wanted to be regenerated? You,
too, can be a Time Lord!
(L) Amaze your friends, confound your
enemies, you can hypnotize any woman from a distance by the power of
(T) Wow! Look at the size of his Regenerator!
[much laughter] Thank you.
A: Good Night.
End of Session
Back to Contents
December 17, 1994
Freddie, Laura, V__, DM
Q: (L) Hello.
Q: (L) Celestial Dudes!
A: That was cute!
Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
Q: (L) I guess you were with us at the party tonight? [Talk about
the speaker who was guest of honor at party.] What was his talk
A: Mayan, Laura.
Q: (L) Was our alcohol consumption bad for us?
A: Only if in excess.
Q: (L) Did I have too much?
Q: (L) We would like to ask what is the source of the warts D__ and
E__ P__’s wife have in various places on their bodies?
A: Genes Oriented.
Q: (L) Does this mean warts are genetic?
Q: (L) Is it the same for both of them?
A: Not exactly.
Q: (L) How can warts be connected to genetics?
A: Progression to 4th density.
Q: (L) Why does it have to be so hard?
A: Many things are. Backaches, for example.
Q: (L) Backaches are one thing, but warts are very unpleasant.
A: Unpleasant is subjective.
Q: (L) How does D__ get rid of her warts?
A: Not the point.
Q: (L) What is the point.
A: Natural progression. Warts are not the issue. All have symptoms,
all are the same.
Q: (DM) What can I do to get rid of the warts? They make me feel
A: Adjust your feelings.
Q: (DM) Am I getting these warts because I am transitioning to 4th
A: All are headed to 4th density. So, what does it matter, remember,
transformation is always accompanied by some difficulty.
Q: (L) Is there anything that can be done physically to help D__
with her warts?
A: Can be accomplished, try adjustment of mind and diet. You are
potassium. You must also adjust your mind.
Q: (L) Adjust her mind in what way?
A: Anti stress measures.
Q: (L) Is this the same thing Mrs. P__ needs to do?
A: Help, but not cure.
Q: (L) What will work for her?
Q: (L) What kind of compresses?
A: Mud nourished with minerals. Check with horticulturist.
Q: (L) How do we find a horticulturist? Network?
A: Always “Network”.
Networking is 4th Density STO concept seeping
density with upcoming realm border crossing.
Q: (DM) Networking is the way to get things done from 3rd level into
A: Coming from 4th level into 3rd because of influence of wave.
Q: (DM) So, each of us has a skill that we develop and help each
(L) We are all part of a body.
A: This is the way lives in STO! D__ on board, V__ write. V__ not to
will return. Please be patient. Hello, D__.
Q: (L) Who has E__ P__ been abducted by that he says look like us?
A: 4th density Orion STS.
Q: (V) Well, he is under the impression that it is the Pleiadians.
Why does he...
A: All can create false impression.
Q: (V) Well, he is planning in 6 months to leave his family and the
planet and heading off toward the Pleiades.
A: Free will.
Q: (V) So, his free will is going to propel him into the Pleiades?
A: Your free will propels you always.
Q: (DM) The Pleiadian he talks of is his father, is this correct?
Q: (DM) Are you saying that he is not a hybrid, is this correct?
A: If he chooses to be hybrid, then that is his choice.
Q: (L) Are you saying...
(DM) How can be being a hybrid be a choice?
A: How can anything?
Q: (L) You mean it is a subjective choice to perceive that way?
Is his father a Pleiadian?
Q: (L) Why does he think is father is?
(DM) Is he giving false
A: He believes what he is saying.
Q: (DM) So, what he is saying, he believes to be the truth?
Q: (L) But, is it the truth?
A: It is, but on what level? That is the question.
Q: (L) On what level?
(DM) Is this 5th density?
A: Okay, time to learn... (groans of dismay) The past and the future
are all in
Q: (DM) So, we are talking about different levels all at the same
A: But you know that by now, D__.
Q: (L) Okay, at some level...
(DM) Are all of his levels together,
Q: (DM) So, he is integrating into one, is this correct?
A: Close enough.
Q: (DM) Does this mean that, as soon as he has integrated, that he
will leave this planet?
A: If he chooses.
Q: (DM) And he will choose, is this correct?
Q: (L) Well, what worries me is that they are saying the STS guys
have a hold of
him and that’s not good.
(DM) Is E__ STS?
A: You all are still. You all are moving toward graduation to STO.
Q: (F) We all are still STS?
Q: (L) Well, I still don’t understand about E__...
(DM) Would you
please explain to me what service to others entails?
A: Complete lack of concern for self.
Q: (L) Well, that’s a real tough one.
(DM) It would be like being
Mahatma Gandhi, is this correct?
Q: (DM) Then there is no one that I know of that is going to make
A: Do you know anyone who is in 4th density?
Q: (L) Of course not.
(DM) I’m not sure.
(V) So, when we transition
from 3rd density to 4th density we lose that need for service to
A: If you transition, you are ready to do so if you choose.
Q: (DM) So, it’s like an instant thing? As soon as you are ready,
you are gone!
A: No. Realm border crossing.
Q: (L) At the time of the realm border crossing those who are of the
correct vibrational frequency to transition will do so, as it says
in the Bible, in the twinkling of an eye. Almost instantaneously. We
are getting ready... you have to be at least a certain level... it
all has to do with the coming of this wave...
A: We ride the wave.
Q: (L) Who does E__ P__ channel?
Q: (L) Many who are what?
(DM) Does he channel his father?
A: Not in the sense you mean. All are “father” in some sense.
Q: (DM) So, when he talks to his father he is talking to many
because many are the father? So then, are we speaking of his father
as being a collection of DNA composite?
A: No. Collection of consciousness.
Q: (DM) The universal consciousness?
Q: (V) A male consciousness?
Q: (L) Okay, you say it is not his father in the sense of being a
genetic line, is that correct?
Q: (L) Is E__ P__ genetically mutated or altered in some way?
A: No. Not in this space time.
Q: (L) So, in other words, what he may be tapping into is similar to
what D__ was tapping into in her hypnosis as carnivorous preying
mantis beings, another aspect of himself, and he is misinterpreting
this aspect of himself as being who and what he is now?
A: Not misinterpreting.
Q: (L) Does he fully understand what is going on?
A: No. Neither do you.
Q: (DM) Will I be meeting some Pleiadians Tuesday night at 10
o’clock? Will they be coming to my house?
A: In a sense. Review concept.
Q: (L) In case you haven’t figured it out, this whole operation is a
learning process. The Cassiopaeans make us go through all kinds of
hoops to get stuff.
A: If you review you learn. Knowledge protects.
Q: (DM) But, am I going to be visited by Pleiadians?
A: Bring D__ “up to speed.”
Q: (DM) Okay, then what I can expect is a psychic connection with
you if you are connected to the Pleiadians?
A: We only rarely appear as human.
Q: (DM) I am going to have humans come to me Tuesday night and they
are going to be Pleiadians?
Q: (DM) What is going to be at my house Tuesday night at 10 o’clock.
A: Nice people.
Q: (DM) But are they Pleiadians?
Q: (DM) Will I understand what is going to happen Tuesday when it
A: Keep mind open.
Q: (V) What is it that is supposed to happen Tuesday night at your
E__ P__ told me the Pleiadians were going to visit me.
A: Wait and see.
Q: (DM) Okay, that’s cool.
(F) Well, it said to keep your mind open
and wait and see.
(DM) But they are not saying no!
A: Mind is not currently open.
Q: (DM) Why?
A: Expectations are influenced by various sources.
Q: (DM) Then, E__ is one of these sources, is that correct?
Q: (L) Should she be surprised if nothing happens at all?
A: Up to D__.
Q: (DM) I don’t think I am going to be surprised. But why isn’t my
(L) Maybe because you decided to believe what E__ told you, is that
Q: (DM) Well, somebody’s going to come to my house Tuesday!
Well, I am really confused about E__. You say he is being abducted
by Orion STS guys. What level of beings are doing this abducting?
A: Has been.
Q: (L) Has he been abducted by other groups?
Q: (L) What other groups?
Q: (V) Well, he thinks the Grays are just hunky-dory friendly
(DM) Are the Grays STO?
A: No. Cybergenetic.
Q: (L) Who has told E__ that the Grays are good, why is he convinced
Q: (DM) Am I channeling this?
A: Starting to.
Q: (DM) Have I been channeling the questions too?
A: S__ is okay.
Q: (DM) I have been wanting to ask questions about S__.
A: On your mind. Ease up.
Q: (DM) Am I being too controlling?
A: Yes and too concerned.
Q: (DM) Is her boy friend into drugs?
A: Has been.
Q: (DM) Is she into drugs?
A: Not at the moment.
Q: (L) Is it true that this is S__’s choice and S__’s lessons?
A: As with all.
Q: (DM) Is her father influencing her actions?
Q: (DM) Does he have any intentions of doing that?
A: Intentions are transitory.
Q: (DM) Are there any actions I can take that will be beneficial for
A: Open. Free will.
Q: (DM) Am I going to have a problem with her father before October?
A: Okay now. Worry no more.
Q: (L) Can we ask about J__ Reed?
A: Why so much interest in individual students?
Q: (L) He is a student?
A: All are. Us too.
Q: (DM) Everyone has a creator.
A: We are not creator any more than you are.
We are all creator!
Q: (L) D__ was telling me on the ride over about E__ P__ telling her
about an event that happened to her when she was a child. She
perceived this as a demonstration of psychic ability and therefore
goodness. Can you tell me how, if he is being influenced by the STS
guys, how he can have this psychic ability?
A: All have ability, it just depends on how it is used.
Q: (L) Was E__ P__ killed in battle?
Q: (L) Was he revived by aliens?
Q: (L) Who revived him?
A: Orion STS.
Q: (L) What was their purpose in reviving him and restoring him to
A: Purpose already determined.
Q: (L) And that is...
A: Many faceted.
Q: (L) What is the primary purpose?
Q: (L) We know it is complex, give us one...
A: Very important for all to review, what happens at realm border
Q: (L) We transition to 4th density, is that correct?
Q: (L) We either choose to transition as STS or STO, is that
Q: (L) And we do this based upon knowledge, is that correct?
Q: (L) And E__ P__ has been given a certain...
A: What do STS 4th Density intend to do?
Q: (L) The 4th level STS beings intend to set things up so that they
can rule us and feed off of us in 4th density. They want to bring
everybody over to their way of thinking and their domination so that
we will give them our energy and give up our free will...
we are being set up.
(F) Well, that is part of it. Don’t you
remember the battle that is supposed to ensue that has already begun
at some level, and this will determine, in part, whether we will be
STS or STO, which also is known at some level...
(L) Has E__ P__
been subverted and programmed to lead people astray?
Q: (L) Well, then I don’t understand.
A: You are reading into situation.
Q: (DM) What is it that she is reading into the situation that isn’t
A: P__ is experiencer, you are witnesses, that is all!
Q: (L) What is he experiencing?
A: We have told you already.
Q: (L) What he is experiencing is...
(DM) We are watching him put
himself all together.
(L) Is this what we are witnessing, him
Q: (L) He is integrating, we are witnessing. He is integrating....
(DM) He is putting himself together at all the different levels...
there isn’t anything more.
(L) Is this true?
Q: (L) Well, in another session we were told that a lot of what E__
P__ is saying is disinformation designed to take people in, is that
Q: (L) And what is the source of that disinformation?
A: Orion STS.
Q: (L) Are they trying to, to put this in plain terms, are they
trying to “take his soul?”
Q: (L) Are they trying to win the battle in terms of dominating him
in 4th density?
A: And you and all others.
Q: (L) Well that is pleasant...
A: We have told you this before, knowledge protects, ignorance
Q: (L) How does one...
A: All knowledge is good.
Q: (L) How can one, such as E__, defend himself against beings of
such superior capabilities of mind control, that they can literally
put thoughts in his head;
I mean, what chance is there for anybody?
A: He has participated in process.
Q: (L) So, at some level he has chosen the STS pathway, is that what
you are saying here?
Q: (L) And part of this STS pathway is just going off and leaving
his family, is that it?
A: Close. But please don’t read into situation. Open your mind.
Q: (DM) Is this just something that we are going to have to see in
A: Okay. Get to know P__.
Q: (DM) In what respect.
A: Open your minds. He is experiencing, you are witnessing. Just
watch and see.
Look, listen and learn.
Q: (L) Okay, thank you and good night.
A: Good night.
End of Session
Back to Contents
December 23, 1994
Freddie, Laura, DM
A: No ritual.
Q: (D) Explain, please?
A: No ritual.
Q: (F) Did somebody do a ritual?
(L) No. Did you do one in your
(D) I just rubbed my hands together.
(L) No, I don’t
think that is what they are talking about. It’s because we were
talking about rituals and why we don’t do them. Okay, why did you
tell us “no ritual?”
A: D__. Caution.
Q: Tell D__, please, why we don’t do rituals.
A: Rituals constrict. Who are we?
Q: What is your name, please?
Q: Are you a discarnate?
A: No, Cassiopaean.
Q: Let me ask you about your spelling of the word “Cassiopaea.” It
is the archaic spelling of Cassiopia, but not the one currently
used. However, the last part of the word, as you spell it, is the
word Paean, which is a “warning” sound or an announcement or
message. Something that calls people to attention. Is there any
chosen symbology in your use of this spelling.
A: No, but nice analogy.
Q: (D) I want to thank you very much for the advice you gave me. It
was something that was very much on my mind and your advice probably
saved my daughter from running away.
A: You are welcome.
Q: (D) I want to impose on you, and I hope you don’t mind. S__’s
father has influence on her; is he someone I need to warn her about?
A: Worry not.
Q: (L) Does that mean that the less D__ says, the sooner S__ will
figure things out for herself?
Q: (D) Will be S__ be okay by herself if I leave the state?
A: You’re not leaving.
Q: (L) Well, that is a pretty definite statement. Is she going to
(D) Do you have a use for me here?
A: Your use is your pathway of learning.
Q: (D) My pathway... I am not understanding...
(L) In other words,
they may not specifically have a use for you in the sense of being
used, but your pathway of learning is what you are here doing.
am supposed to be learning and I’m supposed to stay here until I
A: Yes. Everyone is always learning.
Q: (L) Why do you say she is not leaving. That is a pretty definite
statement and you guys don’t usually make real definite statements
A: Because she is not.
Q: (D) Am I to be working with E__ P__?
A: Wait and see.
Q: (D) I have felt that I was going to sell my house and would be
doing something significant and that would be in North Carolina...
(L) Well, maybe you will end up in North Carolina. I wanted to go to
Montana and I ended up on Montana Avenue. I guess that is as close
as I am going to get.
A: Pressing does not work.
Q: (D) Well, I was trying to press things.
(L) I was a presser too,
and still do from time to time, but it never works... I’m learning
to let things happen.
A: House sells, but move isn’t far. How do you like New Port Richey?
Q: (D) Well, I don’t know there is a position open or opening and I
do know the people over here and...
Q: (L) Well, why don’t you tell Fred and me stuff like that? Am I
going to sell my house? I want to move too!
A: We tell that which needs to be told.
Q: (L) Well, D__ gets told stuff and I don’t. That’s not fair...
A: Yes you do!
Q: (L) Would it be a good idea for D__ to get the Reiki initiation?
A: Up to D__. You are pressing again.
Q: (D) Well, I understand that Laura wants me to and she has given
me the reasons. What I do is listen and assemble the information...
probably I will.
A: You know. You are soft spoken.
Q: (D) I discovered that if I put vitamin E oil on my warts it
stopped them from itching...
Q: (D) Yes, I am eating bananas! I put some antibiotic oil on them
also, and then I could scratch off part of it and it stopped itching
so much. I am sure the potassium did help. I have been eating
(L) Well, we were talking earlier about all the synchronous
events that happened during the year prior to the beginning of this
contact, and I would like to know if those events were, in part,
engineered by you guys?
Q: (L) What was it that caused the repeated swelling of my eyes and
other soft tissue of the body?
A: Learning comes with discovery.
Q: (D) You were discovering. You were being led.
(L) Oh, see what
they are saying.
(D) Just like I am being led to live here and work
(L) Is D__ part of the conduit?
A: You will see. Forum first.
Q: (L) Is D__ part of the conduit?
A: You will see.
Q: (D) That means yes.
(L) In the forming of this conduit, is the
conduit not only something that brings energy into us, but also
through which we can travel into other dimensions as well? Does it
go both ways?
A: Learn by discovery!
Q: (L) In other words, do it! We got the program loaded for the
which you told us once we got online our lives would change suddenly
(D) Are we not quite ready for this?
Q: (L) You told us that if we created the maze in the yard and
walked it, that it would change our vibrations to the point that we
would be able to see you, if we did that as a group, what would be
Q: (L) Would a group moving in that energy format create a greater
energy than, say, a single individual?
Q: (D) So, what if we had a lot of people do that?
(L) They told us
that this was similar to what they did at Stonehenge, that walking a
pattern like a maze design would concentrate energy. A spiral.
(Planchette demonstrates by moving in a gradually expanding spiral
which then gradually got smaller.) Are you demonstrating the pattern
that should be used?
Q: (L) Would this do a lot to empower us as well as hasten the
bundling of the DNA?
A: Wait and see.
Q: (L) In other words, you just want us to do things, to get moving
on these projects, get these transcripts organized, get the maze
built, do our spinning...
A: We want you to do what you will do.
Q: (L) Well...
(D) Thanks a lot...
(L) I guess that is what it comes
down to: get free, get happy...
A: Above all learn.
Q: (D) Is there something we can do to help other people?
A: Access instincts, network.
Q: (D) Are you talking about the computer network?
A: In general.
Q: (D) Now, wait a minute. They may mean networking people and their
(L) Does network in general mean, as D__ says, contacting
people, spread the word, bring others in, along that line?
A: Why S__ so many viruses?
Q: (L) What do you mean? Who has so many viruses?
Q: (L) Well, does S__ have a lot of viruses? Why does S__ have so
A: We asked you.
Q: (D) Well, she’s having her tonsils out Tuesday. I don’t know why.
A: Have you not noticed?
Q: (D) Well, I hadn’t put things together.
(F) Is it true?
she does. She has, different kinds of viruses...
(L) Well, are you
going to give us a clue on this one?
A: Emotions reflect in physical body.
Q: (L) What is the nature of her emotional upset?
A: (D) It’s her father. Is it her father?
Q: (L) What is it?
(D) Has she been abducted?
A: That is not the point.
Q: (L) What is the nature of her emotional viruses?
A: Complicated but, mother-daughter soul connection is unusually
strong in this
Q: (L) How many lifetimes have D__ and S__ had together?
Q: (L) Well, that’s high.
(D) Let me tell you something, the last
time I killed her...
Q: (L) Which one of...
A: Last was tragic.
Q: (D) I killed S__...
(L) Could you tell us the dynamics of that
last lifetime that are so strong...
A: D__ reveal.
Q: (L) Should D__ do this through hypnotherapy?
A: Okay but has done work already.
Q: (L) What could D__ have done for or to or with S__ in the
lifetime that is most heavily affecting this lifetime, to have
resolved the issue then?
A: Not important, this one is!
Q: (L) What does she need to do now?
A: On right path since Tuesday.
Q: (L) What did you do Tuesday?
(L) What happened
Tuesday that was so significant?
Q: (L) Does it have something to do with the roller blades D__
bought S__ Tuesday?
A: Now you are learning, so we will help. Now you see?! She needs
childhood she never had.
Q: (L) Why did she never have a childhood?
(D) Because she was
sexually abused by her father she always felt that she had to be the
grown-up; she had to be between her father and myself; she had to
pull everything together. She always felt that responsibility and
she... oh! I see! Thank you! I took her shopping. We went to the
mall. She saw things that she didn’t get when she was a kid and I
explained to her that now she wasn’t a kid and she couldn’t really
enjoy those things but she could enjoy the things that would be more
her age level. She got down and saw little doo dads that she always
(L) Well, get them for her. Can you?
(L) Is that
the answer? Give her the childhood things?
Q: (D) I’ll go down and buy her those things tomorrow.
A: Okay. Childhood is stepping stone to spiritual growth in each
Q: (D) I want to thank you!
A: We are helping you with this because you simply must resolve this
before you can properly progress to important work, see?
Q: (D) I
have to solve this...
(L) They just told you that you had important
work to do which is pretty close to a prophecy... am I correct on
that, that she has important work to do and that you have plans for
A: Yes. D__ has been “discombobulated”.
Q: (L) You have been discombobulated?
(D) I can handle that.
there anything else you can add to help solve this issue that maybe
we haven’t asked?
(D) I think I just need to enjoy my daughter
rather than trying to control her...
A: Now you are on the right path.
Q: (D) I haven’t been talking against her father and I have been
telling her, encouraging her... I have been forgiving him... and I
told _____ today that I found out from S__ that her father is the
one who took her to get the abortion, and he paid for it, and I said
something about mixed feelings, not everything is bad. There’s
something good in everything, and I referred her to different parts
of different books... Page 29 in the Ra Material, and not showing
the anger... and that is what I have been doing: showing anger,
getting that emotion out and feeding the Lizzies... and getting
wrinkles and gray hair and growing warts... and warts?
Q: (D) They said to get rid of stress situations.
(L) I would almost
say that what you just learned was that a lot of your stress is self
(D) exactly... my hat is off to you guys, I thank
A: Now D__, do you still want to move to North Carolina?
Q: (D) No. That’s cool! Thank you very much. I don’t need to flee! I
(L) I guess that is what you needed to be here tonight
(D) And I thought that I was going to help mankind and I got
A: This is only the beginning of this work!
Q: (D) How can I thank them?
A: Not necessary because we are working together.
Q: (D) I also started telling S__ about spirituality and God and
that, and I told her that what you first have to understand is there
is no such
thing as sin...
(L) It’s all lessons...
(D) There is no such thing
as sin and then I named all the negative emotions and said that what
we need to do is have a lot less of that and more of love, caring,
sharing and that kind of thing... and she really listened! So, I
have started teaching her. And, I want her to have something to...
Oh!, here’s a good question: Could you help me out and guide me into
what book would be good for S__ to read?
A: No, this is up to S__. It is all just lessons for each
individual. That is all there is, nothing else.
Q: (L) I guess it is like dancing, you follow the signals and the
music to know what step to do next. Take your cues from S__.
A: There is nothing, repeat nothing, but lessons.
Q: (L) I guess it is a big laboratory and we are the guinea pigs...
A: No, everything that exists in all of creation is a lesson, there
Q: (L) Sorry guys.
(F) So, absolutely everything is a lesson.
Let me ask this: On Tuesday when D__ was reading and fell asleep,
did she get a visit or a contact from any source?
A: Hypnotize her to access this information.
Q: (D) Was there something pertinent that happened that night?
Q: (D) Okay, so we should discover through the hypnosis.
(L) Did the Pleiadeans come?
A: Laura, you are such a card!
Q: (L) Well, I thought I would try to sneak that one by them. Let me
ask: On the night the big black boomerang came over my house, was I
or one of my children abducted?
A: Why do you think you learned hypnosis, to put it on the shelf for
conversation piece, maybe?
Q: (L) Are you saying that I need hypnosis myself?
A: Others. Children will have answers.
Q: (L) Oh, good, that’s clever! I never thought about that. Okay,
that’s how I’ll find out. It’s too simple. I’m beginning to feel
brain dead. Why have my eyes been bothering me so much for the last
A: Eyes do that on 3rd density.
Q: (D) I have been having similar problems.
(F) I have been getting
near-sighted in the last year.
(L) Anybody got any questions?
Not me, I just had a huge, huge problem solved in just a few
words... what else could I want to know? But, there is something...
D__ N__, how does he fit in my life?
Q: (D) Is he a good guy?
(L) They are not going to tell you that.
Q: (L) I guess it depends on your point of view. I’m sure Hitler
thought he was a good man. That is subjective. Good and evil are
(D) Would he and I be compatible?
A: Discover on your own. Free will.
Q: (L) Well, there is a way you might be able to find out something.
Since all minds are one mind, the Cassiopaeans don’t mind telling
you what another person thinks or how they think. What does D__ N__
think of D__?
A: Jumbled thought patterns.
Q: (L) Is this D__ N__ that D__ has met, is he the same David
Navarra that Sally B. was acquainted with in St. Petersburg?
A: How many are there with that name?
Q: (L) Well, there are probably more than one, but I don’t think all
of them in this area would be involved in the metaphysical
community. That would narrow it down. Was Sally B. accurately
reading the situation when she said that the D__ N__ she knew was a
little hung up on sex?
A: Many are.
Q: (L) Okay, what are David Navarra’s intentions toward D__?
Q: (D) Would he like to get me in bed?
A: We might ask the same question of you.
Q: (L) What are your intentions?
(D) I don’t have any intentions
until I find out whether or not he has good intentions. I am not
going to jump in the hay with anybody unless I find out that they
really care for me. So, that is why I am asking.
Q: (L) I don’t think they are going to help you out on this one. The
closest we are going to get is that he has jumbled thoughts and he
is probably the same guy Sally knew.
A: The “bedroom” is not our specialty.
Q: (D) Not mine either, fortunately or unfortunately.
let’s ask about J__ R__, has he read the transcripts all or in part,
and, if so, what is his reaction?
A: Dreamy person.
Q: (L) What do you mean by dreamy? He dreams a lot?
A: Self explanatory.
Q: So, “dreamy person” is his reaction to the transcripts?
A: Dreamy person is he.
Q: (L) Does this mean that he lives in the world of dreams and not
(D) Or, is he someone who initiates his thoughts in the dream state?
A: We are merely relating our observations.
Q: (L) Has he read the transcripts?
Q: (L) What did he think in reaction to them?
A: Went into dream state.
Q: (D) Oh, he was reading it and it hit something?
(L) Is that it,
what D__ is saying?
Q: (D) Well, it hit something and he went off into a dream. So, it
hit some of his reality.
(D) I want to ask some questions about M__:
will she and E__ P__ reestablish communication?
(L) I didn’t know
they were on the outs. But, I don’t know either of them well enough
to ask questions.
(D) Well, apparently the story is that M__ told
someone else that E__ was having affairs with other women and it got
back to E__.
A: People have shortcomings.
Q: (D) Will they get back together?
Q: (L) Did M__ relay a falsehood about E__?
(D) E__ said she did,
Q: (D) She said that E__ had mistresses.
A: That is not important.
Q: (D) Well, that is okay.
(L) On the day that we saw E__, I guess
it was last Saturday, he told us that he had been abducted three
days before. Was this a physical abduction or was it a Virtual
A: It was the latter.
Q: (L) Of the many abductions he claims to have experienced, how
many are of the VR type?
A: Half or thereabouts.
Q: (L) In a
Virtual Reality Abduction, does any part of the person
actually leave and go into another dimension?
A: Soul replication.
Q: (L) So, a replica of their soul, like a shadow of the soul, so to
speak, like maybe a holographic part of the soul gets moved into
another dimension and experiences events; is that what you mean?
A: That is close.
Q: (L) So, when a person experiences a Virtual Reality Abduction
it’s virtually real in the sense that it happens to them on some
level, or to some part of them?
A: It is real.
Q: (L) But, their physical body is not being abducted and going
A: The original does not.
Q: (L) Well, that’s intriguing.
(D) Is that like...
(L) It said soul
A: Think of photo copier, similar concept.
Q: (L) A photocopy? So, half of E__’s abductions are Virtual Reality
Q: And the other half are actual physical abductions?
Q: (L) Who is he being abducted by, I know we asked this before, but
I want to clarify something...
A: Orion STSers.
Q: (L) And what level of density are these abductors who abduct him?
A: 4th level.
Q: So, the 4th level Orion STS group abduct E__ P__. What do they
A: They rearrange appearance.
Q: (L) Well, to look like what? He perceives...
A: What ever is anticipated by the abductee.
Q: (L) Well, he told me they were beautiful.
(D) His father is one
of them, he says. Beautiful people, the way I see it, means from the
heart... not like physical beauty...
(L) Does he perceive them as
A: That is subjective.
Q: (L) And, since you say that they rearrange their appearance, in
their natural state, before they are rearranged, what do they look
A: Natural state is variable.
Q: (D) Are they robots?
Q: (L) What do the robots look like?
Q: (L) Okay, what do the other ones look like?
(D) Are they 12 ft
(L) I get the feeling they don’t want to answer this
A: 3rd density thinking.
Q: (L) I’m sorry. I guess you just want us to learn by this
exercise, is that it?
A: Review material.
Q: (L) What do the 4th density STS Orions look like? I know what the
answer is... are they Lizzies?
Q: (L) So, E__ P__ is getting hauled out by the Lizzies and the
Grays and they make themselves look and seem nice to him, is that
A: Laura, 3 and 4 don’t jibe.
Q: (L) Are there 3rd level Lizzies?
A: All these are 4th who sometimes travel to 3rd rules are totally
4th density have you not grasped this yet?
End of Session
Back to Contents
December 28, 1997
Freddie, Laura, V__
A: Hello. Wonderland.
Q: (L) What does “Wonderland” have to do with anything?
A: It just popped to mind.
Q: (L) Since this happens from time to time, an odd word or phrase
pops to mind as the connection is made, is this because that
particular thought is occupying the point in space\time where the
connection is made?
A: Laura, such an active imagination you have, my dear!
Q: (V) I think they just mean they see all the Christmas cheer and
(L) Well, why do these little phrases just “pop” in... ? It’s
A: Why not?
Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
Q: (L) Haven’t you been with us before?
A: No. And yes.
Q: (L) Well, we have two or three things on the agenda tonight. The
first thing I would like to ask for Suzanne Konicov...
A: Where are we from?
Q: (L) I’m sorry, where are you from?
A: Cassiopaea. If you don’t ask, how do you know who we are?
Q: (L) Well, good point. If you were the Lizzies and I asked,
wouldn’t you answer that you were the Cassiopaeans to deceive me?
A: They would not.
Q: (L) Well, aren’t they telling E__ P__ that they are the
A: Not Lizzies.
Q: (L) Okay, who is telling E__ P__ that they are the Pleiadeans?
A: Orion STS.
Q: (L) Well, if you were Orion STS and we asked who you were,
wouldn’t you say you were the Cassiopaeans?
A: No. Pleiadians. That is “trendy” thus deceptive.
Q: (L) Back to my question. Now, at one point in the transcript of
past sessions you said that you could not help the Jews or the
Native Americans who called upon you, and yet, you say that when we
call on you that you can help us. What is the difference?
A: Did not say that, review transcript now!
Q: (L) Well, what I remember is that I asked if our race was going
to be wiped out by the Lizzies and the answer was,
then... well, I’ll get it out now... okay, it says here; “We don’t
want to be abducted, can’t we stop it?”
And you answered: “Not likely, they have more power than you.” Then
“Why can’t you help us?” and you answered: “Would interfere in
natural progression of your race and theirs. The Jews called upon us
to save them and we could not. And the natives of your land called
upon us and we could not save them from your race. We could not stop
that either. It is natural progression, see?” And then I asked: “Are
we going to be wiped out by aliens as part of this natural
progression?” Answer: “Maybe...”
Okay, so, in a sense, the question
related specifically to stopping abductions and you said no, you
could not stop that and you said that you could not save the Jews or
the Native Americans because it would interfere in Natural
Progression... yet you said you could help us individually if we
called upon you for help... What is the difference?
A: We cannot interfere to help, knowledge protects, ignorance
endangers. You can help yourselves to gain knowledge, we can be the “conduit.”
(V) So, that is a misinterpretation on all our parts of what this
help might or might not be?
(L) We have a couple of other things
that we have been discussing here this evening that I am sure that
we all want to know about. The first thing is: Could we have a
little reading for our friend Sandra D. who has been in the
hospital. What is the root of the problem and how can we help her or
how can she help herself to get better?
A: Sandra has chosen her karmic path. Her problem is manifesting in
several locations: heart, weight affects all other organs in the body.
Q: (L) Does Sandra have attachments causing physical problems?
A: Not the issue. Physical reflection.
Q: (L) If she changes her diet will her health improve?
A: She will improve only if she chooses to. We cannot interfere, but
she could always choose to explore her subconscious, but we must warn this
will be a “tall order.”
Q: (L) Now, before Fred arrived, V__ and I were having a discussion
about physics and psychology and it is my understanding from
experience and study, that emotions, as human beings term them, are
related to physiology, to chemicals, and can be controlled by
thoughts. And, that if we choose to change our emotions, we have
only to change our thinking. Is this correct?
Q: (V) What you are saying is true, and that is all fine and dandy,
many of the population can do that? Would even believe that they
could do that?
(L) Not very many. Less than ten percent.
then, how does the definition...
A: That is not the issue?
Q: (L) Well then, what is the issue?
Q: (L) Are emotions that are carried over karmically, do they affect
the physical body that they come into in a chemical way...
Q: (V) So Laura’s hypothesis that all emotions stem from chemicals
is not necessarily true as an exclusive statement?
Q: (L) Does the soul have emotions of its own as we human beings
Q: (L) What emotions does the soul experience?
Q: (L) Can the soul, at an absolute level, experience hatred, for
A: Not same state.
Q: (L) Well, when one is dealing with psychology, what would be the
best approach... what is the true aspect of the self or the being
that one should inquire into in order to heal?
A: Subconscious mind.
Q: (V) Is the statement that psychology studies emotions, is that a
A: No. Subconscious is same in body or out.
Q: (V) The subconscious is part of the soul?
A: One and same.
Q: (V) Is the higher self the same as the soul and the subconscious?
Q: (V) Please define true psychology for me?
Q: (L) What do you mean by half? What is the half?
A: Half spirituality.
Q: (V) Do you think that the spiritual part put together with the
subconscious part is a good way to approach psychology as I have
A: Be careful of “influences,” you are easily influenced.
Q: (V) Is this directed at me and my idea of spiritual psychology?
A: Yes. And no.
Q: (V) What influences?
Q: (V) That is kind of open, isn’t it?
(L) Well, you never answered
the question about “true” psychology. You only said “Half.” What is
true psychology? Is it the investigation of the subconscious mind?
A: True psychology only half.
Q: (L) And what is true psychology, a definition? Was it as I said,
an investigation of the subconscious mind?
A: Physiologically directed study of mind.
Q: (L) The effects on the mind of the physiology, the hormones,
blood sugar levels and so forth, input and output of the various
organs and how that can affect the thought processes, is that
Q: (L) And that is half of it. What else?
A: Spirit is missing half.
Q: (L) And what would the person who is working on the spiritual
half of it focus their energies on? Would it be techniques of
meditation, understanding the nature of the universe, would it have
to do with physics, what area?
A: Apples and oranges.
Q: (L) All of those things are apples and oranges compared to the
spiritual application of psychology that you intend?
A: No. Spirit has nothing to do with psychology as you know it.
Q: (L) But, in this theoretical psychology that you are telling us
would you fit the spiritual aspect into it?
A: Totally restructure theory.
Q: (L) Okay, and how would you present this totally restructured
A: Much too complex.
Q: (L) In the discussion of psychology that we have had here,
obviously you think that there is something about the way you have
discussed it that V__ has missed or would miss because of influences
from other sources, is that correct?
Q: (L) In terms of these sources that influence her, by what means
of her system, her organic or spiritual system, do these influences
tap into her being?
A: Visual and auditory.
Q: (L) Okay, so she sees things and hears things that influence her,
is that correct?
Q: (L) And where does she usually see or hear these things?
Q: (L) So, these are scholastic things that you are talking about.
She hears and sees things at school that influence her, that you say
these influences are not going to be helpful in what she is
ultimately trying to achieve, is that correct?
Q: (L) These things that she sees and hears, are they people and
words that the people speak, or are they images such as film images,
or just general...
A: All of the above.
Q: (V) Okay, now listen guys: if I don’t go to school to get an
education, and, in other words, to get the degree and get the
credibility, then how am I going to be able to do any work?
you ever think that the people you would want to work with wouldn’t
come to anybody with a traditional degree?
A: Laura, let us answer.
Q: (L) I’m sorry. I’ll butt out.
A: Why do you think you need a degree?
Q: (V) Well, the professional world here on planet Earth is built
around degrees. I’m sure you are aware of that.
Q: (L) People with degrees are in bread-lines... I’m sorry... I’ll
Well, my goodness... so then I...
A: Disinformation cleverly and carefully orchestrated.
Q: (L) For what purpose?
A: To mislead.
Q: (V) To mislead in what way? What am I being led away from?
A: Not just you.
Q: (V) All psych students are misled?
A: All humans.
Q: (L) Are you saying that the public school system, including the
college system, is deliberately designed and implemented to fill
one’s brain with false knowledge, to perpetuate Lizzie rule?
A: Close but this manifests at lower levels too.
Q: (V) Well, let me ask this question... is this the only species in
the universe that studies this concept of psychology? Are there
psychologists in Orion, are there psychologists in Cassiopaea?
A: Narrow concept.
Q: (L) What do you mean it’s a narrow concept?
(V) I mean, I mean...
(L) Do you understand what they mean?
(V) No, but what I mean is are
we the only thinking, intelligent, types of people that...
don’t think that’s what they meant to imply.
(V) Well, it’s not
coming out right. You know, I sit here and I try and put things into
words and it’s so hard...
A: Expand your mind.
Q: (V) I’m trying to.
(L) By what means?
A: Less prejudice.
Q: (L) Bet you never thought you would be called prejudiced, did
Prejudice about what? I don’t think they are talking about blacks
(L) I know, but there are other kinds...
A: The universe is an infinite illusion.
Q: (V) Jesus Christ! You guys...
A: We are not Jesus
Q: (V) That was just an exclamation...
(L) They know that. I think
they are being funny.
(V) Ha, ha. Well, then, I guess... okay, when
you say the universe is an infinite illusion, then why not close the
eyes, lights out and the illusion is over?
A: Stop focusing so narrowly and rigidly.
Q: (V) Now, I don’t think that’s fair because I sit around all the
time not focusing on narrow...
(L) I know nothing! They already told
me to shut up! Alright, you guys, you better help V__ out here
because she is losing it...
(V) Well I’m, I’m...
A: Blast your mind open.
Q: (V) Alright. You guys have said you are with us at all times,
then you must know that I constantly am thinking about the
possibilities... not even to think about possibilities, just accept
that there is endless, boundless possibilities and move forward
every day from that point of view?
A: That’s a good start.
Q: (V) Well, if I have as open a mind as I do, I mean, I think I
have a pretty open mind, what do you guys consider an open mind?
Does anybody sitting here have the ultimate open mind?
include me in this... I don’t want them starting on me!
(V) No, I
mean how... as 3rd dimensional beings, how open can our minds be?
Can you not tell that I am trying?
A: You are moving to 4th level, but all are not at same level of
Q: (L) Are you saying here that V__ is much farther along than many
Q: (L) Well, are you saying that she’s got a good start?
(V) Am I
doing... let’s put it this way, if I am moving on in my progression,
what are the most critical things that I am doing in my moving and
my progressing to move faster, that’s making it happen? What are the
key things that I do...
A: Association with individuals who speed your progress.
Q: (V) And naturally, that’s Laura and Fred, correct?
A: Maybe. That is up to you.
Q: (V) Okay, association with individuals who speed my progress,
that’s one of the things that I do right, that’s what you said,
Q: (V) Is that the only key thing that I do?
A: Learning involves discovery.
Q: (V) Alright... So then, am I wasting my precious time going to
school to get a degree in psychology?
Q: (L) I just think if going to school makes you happy, do it, but
don’t take it too seriously.
(V) Are you saying that I can be so
influenced that I ...
A: Influence comes not from experience but belief.
Q: (V) Well, if you guys hadn’t just instilled within me that what I
am doing, my education, is also being highly influenced, then would
I ever have had the belief that you are talking about? Are you part
of the influence?
(L) What are you saying here?
(V) Influence comes
not from experience but belief... I didn’t have a belief before this
that I could...
(L) Okay, in other words you have warned her about
influences therefore, it is now okay for her to continue on her
daily path as it is currently set up because she has been warned and
is aware, is that correct?
Q: (V) My understanding is that the whole psychology thing, you know
because Fred pooh poohs it all the time, and its that even though
the teachings of Freud and all the others, Erikson, Horney and so
forth, may not apply to the whole universe, they do apply to the
species as a society...
A: Application is subjective.
Q: (L) So V__ is okay to continue along her current path, and there
are a lot of
benefits she is receiving from going to school including networking,
exists for her...
(V) Yes, I do a lot of seed planting while I am at
A: Okay, but be careful of influences.
Q: (L) Well, I guess that is it. You have the knowledge now and
you’re loaded for bear.
A: Now, you could gain much more knowledge by independent study and
Q: (V) Well, the knowledge that I want to gain in psychology and in
school, and all of this is in order to help other people grow.
think that what they are telling you is that the knowledge that you
want you are not going to get there. That is the whole issue.
A: Why do you feel you need a degree?
Q: (V) Like I said, for credibility. It’s also a legal aspect of
You just don’t practice...
Q: (V) But you are not going to tell me how I can do this otherwise,
A: We just did, but because you are not yet open, you did not
Q: (V) So, independent study and meditation is the true way that I
could find how to help other people?
Q: (V) So, in other words, if it is going to happen, it is going to
happen. No need to force the issue, huh? Okay, once this is
published and people start being aware of what we do, what will they
be looking for?
Q: (L) You did say that once we got on the network, things would
happen suddenly and dramatically. Now, as you must know, I did have
an automobile accident the day after I got hooked up to the network,
as you can see. I am put back together now with screws and tape!!!
I’m sure I look charming! Now, oddly, as I was driving, just a few
minutes prior to the accident, I was thinking very strongly of the
fact that you Cassiopaeans were with me and I was saying to you in
my mind that I wished you would also go and help my friend, Sandra,
who was in the hospital. I was planning on rushing through my
Christmas Eve and going to the hospital to give her Reiki. And then,
Kowabonga! I got the smasho-smacko in the rear. Why did this
happen? What did I do wrong? Is this what you meant by “sudden and
A: All happens for a reason.
Q: (L) Was there something I was supposed to learn from this
A: If so, learn by meditating.
Q: (L) Is there something about our state of being that we can be
sitting there thinking loving thoughts about others and then we get
Q: (V) Is her accident directly connected with getting on line?
Well, they didn’t kill me, though they tried!
(V) Back to my question...
A: Not necessary to answer.
Q: (L) Is that because I know the answer?
Q: (L) And my answer is that there is a definite connection between
the accident and getting hooked up, is that correct?
A: You explore well.
Q: (L) I think... now, my whole spinal column snapped like a whip on
impact and I did have a concussion... and my shoulder is in REALLY
bad shape... I am really surprised that they didn’t keep me in the
A: You must be a “Whippersnapper.”
Q: (L) Are there going to be some really positive results from the
computer net? I mean, this is a rather painful beginning.
A: What have we told you?
Q: (V) Well, let’s turn it on now.
A: Good idea.
Q: (L) Good night.
End of Session
Back to Contents
December 31, 1994
Freddie, Laura, Terry, J, DM, V, and many others... New Year’s Eve
Party in progress as we sit at the board.
A: Hello. Did you get last message?
Q: Yes, the last message was: We are happy to see more people here.
A: Yes. Say hello to M and Billy, Luanne, Glenn and others. You have
visitors in ethereal plane because of holiday get together and we brought 4
here because it is time for exposure. Terry keep up, this is the
night for important stuff.
Q: Okay, who needs to be on the board.
You asked for Terry, can I trade with DM?
A: Okay. Okay now. DM
Q: (DM) Hi.
A: Ease up on pressure. Very important: this time measurement year
represents big changes.
Q: Changes of what sort?
A: Spiritual linked to physical on planet.
Q: I guess you are going to tell us?
A: Terry on board. Keep fingers on.
Q: (T) It’s hard, you’re moving so fast tonight. Energy’s up.
A: Power is explosive.
(Many spins around board.)
Q: (T) Well, happy New Year to ya’ll, too!
A: We want you all to succeed this year.
Q: (DM) In what?
A: To send messages.
Q: (DM) Thank you.
A: DM easy on pressure.
Q: (T) You guys are moving so fast tonight we have to hang on.
I’m just trying to keep up.
A: You’re correct.
Q: (V) Are you guys ready for a couple of questions?
Q: (V) This right here I picked up at the Tampa Metaphysical
bookstore, (Holds up rock), it is supposed to be a piece of
meteorite. What can you tell me about this? I was told that it’s
used for transformation.
Q: (DM) It’s funny, the word came into my mind!
A: We are going through you and Fred tonight. Easy, DM. DM sell
Q: (DM) Yes! Can you give me a day?
A: 19th. Drop price 2,000 dollars.
Q: (DM) I can live with that.
A: You got it.
Q: (DM) Should I drop it or dicker it?
A: Drop it now.
Q: (V) Let’s ask about this letter. I received a letter in the mail
today that is really perplexing us all. Can you tell me what this
letter is about?
A: Third party got a hold of privileged info.
Q: (T) Who is the third party?
A: Amos Sanders.
Q: (V) Is it my privileged information?
A: No. Consortium.
Q: (L) What is the intent of this letter?
A: 3rd party got your bio off files.
Q: (V) What files?
A: Computer grid.
Q: (T) What computer grid?
Q: (T) Has this letter been set up by the FBI?
A: No. Amos Sanders broke into system.
Q: (V) How am I mixed up in this?
(T) Who is Amos?
(DM) Maybe it’s
A: New license.
Q: (V) I just got a new license in November.
(T) A driver’s license?
(T) Is this the DMV computer system?
Q: (T) Why is V in the FBI computer system?
A: You all are on file.
Q: (L) Is that “you all” as in everybody in the country or just us
A: You and others.
Q: (V) Well, what course do I need to contact... the police... what
course of action do I need to take with this? This is fraud...
A: Ignore it.
Q: (T) Is this letter a set-up?
A: No Amos is “nuts.” Crazy “genius.” Breaks into files.
Q: (T) The guy mentioned in the letter is “Wilbur”.
A: False name.
Q: (V) So this is in no way... this is not a threat to me
financially or in the future legally wise... somebody...
A: But you are on FBI file.
Q: (T) Why is she on the FBI file?
(V) Because I know too much.
Q: (Terry and Laura) Piano?
(V) I have a piano debt. Why would that
be on the FBI file?
(V) Is there a warrant out for my
(T) Why do they have her on file for a debt for a
A: Tracer. They know all and keep track of everyone and every thing.
Q: (T) Is there more to this than just general tracing of debt and
license accessed by a nut?
A: Not yet.
Q: (T) Well why, besides the debt, would they be interested in
A: Your activities.
Q: (L) In specific?
Q: (T) The FBI is watching people who are involved in metaphysics?
A: And UFOs.
Q: (T) Well, they always watch us UFO people...
(DM) Are they
watching people like Eddie Page?
A: Eddie Page file “one.”
Q: (T) What is a file “one?”
A: Top priority.
Q: (V) Well, let’s hope my file is a “200.” What priority is my
Q: (T) What is a level “4” file?
A: 4th most important.
Q: (V) Well, what about Fred?
(T) Is Eddie Page telling the truth?
Q: (DM) What is he not telling the truth about?
A: Too many things.
Q: (T) So, his story is mostly false?
A: He believes.
Q: (V) Are these FBI files that have to do with metaphysical and UFO
business and what have you, are they more than just the government?
Are they connected to...
A: Are you listening?
Q: (V) Am I listening? Of course I’m listening.
A: FBI tracks everyone.
Q: (V) Okay, so just don’t worry about it.
(T) I can just imagine
what my file
(L) The computer systems are so advanced it is no
trouble for them to even know what color toilet paper you buy.
(Laughter) I mean, the checker at the store tells what color toilet
paper you buy on your receipt... “Scottissue:blue”...
A: V prefers green.
Q: (L) Do you prefer Green?
(V) Yes, but I have white.
(V) Are you
telling me I’m supposed to use green toilet paper?
(T) They are
perfecting 3rd level humor at 4th level.
Q: (T) You’re getting good at it too!
(DM) I’d like to know what
they look like.
(L) Did you read the transcripts? We already asked
(DM) No, I haven’t gotten to it yet.
A: We are light beings, we are you in the future.
Q: (L) Susanne K. talked to me about Al Bielek. Previously you had
said that Al was an agent of the government disseminating
disinformation for one thing, number two: that he knew that he was
an agent of the government; there’s a little confusion about his
participation in the Philadelphia Project; I found a reference to
him in an Ivan Sanderson book published some time ago. Susanne says
that this poor guy just lives from hand to mouth, and she finds it
hard to believe that he is an agent of the government since he lives
such a poverty stricken existence. Could you comment, please, on Al Bielek and his activities.
(T) Is Al an agent for the government?
A: Al Bielek is many faceted. Poverty is subjective.
Q: (L) Is he an agent for the government.
(T) They say he is many
A: Yes. But he is in involved in activities.
Q: (T) In one session you talked about
Al Bielek you indicated he
was, um, not actually involved in the Philadelphia Experiment, that
he was a technician on shore, and that he is now feeding out
information that is provided to him, or that he had knowledge above
and beyond his involvement with the experiment...
Q: (T) Okay, if he is working partly with the government and then
partly for his own purposes, what is it that he expects to get out
Q: (T) What does he want from the exposure?
A: He wants people to know.
Q: (L) Is it possible that he is giving out some true information
along with disinformation, so that the information itself can be
gotten out, could it be that his intentions might be...
A: Confused thought pattern.
Q: (L) Is that my thoughts or Al’s thoughts?
A: Bingo! Laura’s.
Q: (T) Does Al know that he is giving out false information... does
he know that the information the government is giving him is false?
A: He is so involved you would not believe.
Q: (T) He is involved with the government cover-up?
A: With all of it. He knows that what he is saying is false but he
choice because he is entangled in the web. They are using him.
(L) Ask about this letter Susanne sent from some source that states
that Jesus was a mythical character.
A: No, Jesus was not mythical.
Q: (T) What about this information from this
Q: (L) What is the point of this stuff? It is very well done. Why
are they trying to prove that Jesus never existed?
A: Nonsense. It is disinformation. Desinformatzia. Russki.
Q: (T) This is from Russia?
A: No, we were having some fun with words.
Q: Mirth! Mirth!
(T) Are any of the people they are copying this to
believing this stuff?
Q: (T) Is UFO Library going to print this?
A: Who knows.
Q: (T) Well, I wouldn’t be surprised if it is in there next month.
A: There is a lot of garbage in there each month.
Q: (L) Well, this is on a different subject, but, has M ever been
abducted by aliens?
A: Yes, starting at age three. Do you remember “ghost at corner
window” at 3
Q: (M) I remember something very vaguely. I think I told Fred the
story. Something happened and I think I woke up screaming. I saw
something. When was the last time?
A: At age 22.
Q: (V) How many times has M been abducted?
A: 23 times.
Q: (M) Will I be abducted again?
Q: (M) When?
A: It depends on belief center.
Q: (L) I think it might depend on how much knowledge you acquire as
to whether you will be abducted again or under what circumstances.
A: Grandfather let you in on secrets of life.
Q: (M) Yes, yes. He taught me a lot and I think that’s what they
A: He was a “Priority One Soul.”
Q: (L) What is a Priority One Soul?
A: One who sacrifices life’s pleasures to teach others. He was your
You are lucky, M. He kept you from “trouble.”
Q: (L) Who abducted M?
Q: (L) What was the purpose of M’s abduction?
A: To study his mind. He has a very strong mind and resolve.
Q: (L) Did they put an implant in him?
Q: (L) And what do they do with that implant?
A: Is monitor. Frequent ringing in ear signifies monitoring
Q: (Fred) Do you have frequent ringing in your ear?
ear more than another?
(M) Yes. It is kind of a tone.
session when I was here you were giving us information on how to
calculate when the wave is going to reach Earth. I was able to plot
two of the four for distance, but two were constellations. I cannot
plot those distances.
A: Check third most distant star in Cassiopaea and middle “belt”
star in Orion,
closest star in Leo. Welcome M to the board.
Q: (M) Well, just tell me what to do.
A: Hi, M. We are glad to have you here with us tonight. We have been
reach you for 18 years as you measure time.
Q: (M) Why?
A: You are destined just like the others and you know it inside. We
to great lengths to reach you. That is why you were brought together
with Fred. Do you not remember feeling different back then?
Q: (M) What does that mean?
(V) Well, when you met Fred did you feel
(M) Yes, I guess so.
(L) Anybody who meets Fred feel different!
Amen! Thank you!
(J) I would like to point out that we have all male
energy on the board. That is different!
A: You and Terry knew each other in last life, remember?
Q: (M) Well, no, I don’t.
(V) You would probably remember if you
would start meditating.
(L) You could have past life regressions.
(T) He wasn’t that guy that got me with the sword when I was in the
British Navy, was he? Those cutthroats?
A: No, but on same ship! This is why you returned to England!
Q: (V) Why you returned to England. Were they brothers?
Q: (L) M was born in England.
A: That you returned to sea. You love the water.
Q: (M) I’m confused.
(T) So, M and I knew each other in our last
life? When was this?
Q: (T) We didn’t have any other lives between 1700s and now?
A: Not for M. He was a sea captain with the same last name. You, M,
great, great great, grandfather Simon Errington.
(Break for New Years)
Back to Contents
January 1, 1995
[Continuation of December 31, 1994 session after break for New Year
Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
A: Cassiopaea calling. Sorrona.
Q: (L) And who are our guests?
A: You must network tonight as there are those who are awaiting your
Q: (L) Do you mean do the board and transfer it to the network?
Q: (V) Have you promised somebody else that you work through that we
(L) No, we promised on the network...
A: You did.
Q: (L) Fred and I promised that we would channel on-line. Yes, we
logged on and made the announcement and the next day I had the
wreck. I had been promised that my life would change suddenly and
A: It is.
Q: (L) My life is changed?
A: Yes. In process.
Q: (L) We want to know who the ethereal visitors are tonight...
And have they left since all the noise started?
A: Mary, Laura, John, Ruth, Terence, Todd, Vance, There’s a Ronald.
Q: (L) Is the Laura someone who is related to me?
Q: (L) Does anybody else recognize any of those names?
recognize John, my uncle. Are each one of these names like a guide
for each one of us?
A: No. Visitors. Attracted by energy center.
Q: (V) Have I had contact with John before?
A: Yes. Uncle.
Q: (T) Am I related to any...
(V) My uncle that’s just passed on?
Q: (L) Is Terry related to any of these people?
Q: (L) Who?
Q: (T) Who is Vance?
(V) Do they have messages for us?
(L) Who is
A: Great Uncle.
Q: (L) Do any of these people have messages for any of us?
Q: (V) About 5 or 6 weeks ago I was surrounded by a smell of ...
Q: (V) It was my uncle Wayne?
Q: (V) His name was John Wayne...
(L) Has D__ ever been abducted?
Q: (L) When was she first abducted?
A: Age 2.
Q: (L) How many times?
Q: (V__ and Laura) You got the record!
(T) How many were physical?
A: Not correct thinking pattern.
Q: (L) In a sense they are all physical? How many of these
abductions were virtual reality abductions?
A: Everything is that.
Q: (L) Well, how many of these level 1 abductions?
Q: (T) How many were alpha state abductions?
A: Two weeks ago felt “tingle.”
Q: (V) Well, two weeks ago was the night of the party at the book
store in Tampa.
(L) Okay, has Luanne ever been abducted?
Q: (L) How many times?
Q: (LE) No way.
(L) When was the first time?
A: When lived in red house.
Q: (L) Did you ever live in a red house?
(Billy) Yeah, we lived in a
(L) How old were you?
(LE) When I was five.
Q: (LE) We moved there when I was four right before I was five.
Does she have an implant?
Q: (L) Does D__ have an implant?
A: She has 4.
Q: (D) Has 4 implants?
Q: (L) Where are they?
A: In brain.
Q: (L) In her brain? Ar-r-r-gh!
(LE) I had lots of allergies.
What is their purpose?
Q: (L) That’s what they all are, monitors.
(D) But, why?
A: You are aware.
Q: (L) They want to monitor you because you are aware.
don’t have cable...
(L) Is Susan going to be here shortly?
Q: (L) We want to know what kind of energy is behind Budd Hopkins?
Q: (L) Is he on the right track in his research?
Q: (T) Is the Linda Cortile case a set-up to discredit him?
Q: (T) Everything that she says happened really happened to her?
A: In 4th density.
Q: (T) Well, all the abduction stuff was in 4 D, but being pulled
out of the apartment from the 17th floor or wherever it was, and
being sucked up in the beam of the light, that actually happened to
A: In 4th density.
Q: (T) How did people in 3rd density see it?
A: Only those who were tuned in saw it.
Q: (L) Were there people there who did not see it?
Q: (T) What or who were some of the people who didn’t see it?
A: Not important.
Q: (L) Now, Whitley Strieber.
(T) Can implants be removed?
Q: (L) What is the energy fueling
Whitley Strieber and his work?
Q: (L) He is an agent of the Grays?
A: No. Instrument of the Grays.
Q: (T) So, all his writing is compromised by the Grays?
A: Influenced by them.
Q: (T) Well, he says that, too.
(L) Well, he now thinks he has
learned how to be a companion of God through these experiences.
A: Wolfen reflects Lizzie reality.
Q: (L) Who’s read the book, what’s it about?
(T) I saw the movie but
I never read the book. I can’t stand his Gothic style of writing.
(L) I can’t stand to read his stuff either.
(T) I only got half-way
through Communion and gave it up.
(L) Well, let me ask, while we are
on the subject of writing, is Anne Rice channeling her concepts in
her vampire books?
A: She also is influenced by the Grays.
Q: (T) What about
A: Carnal influences.
Q: (T) He’s writing from his cojones, eh? [Laughter]
A: Okay, Terry.
Q: (L) Are there any further comments or do you want us to go on
A: V__, do not be offended, we are all learning.
Q: (V) Well, thank you so much for the honesty from everybody in the
room, I really appreciate it.
(LM) I wasn’t being honest, don’t
(V) What chakra level is G__ operating at?
A: Chakras are like escalators, you choose your step and rise
Q: (G) Well, I was hoping they would give me a number. I don’t know
much about chakras.
Q: (T) The whole thing is that we are supposed to learn for
ourselves. They will point us in the right direction, but then we
are supposed to go out and do it. If you don’t learn it on your own,
you don’t really learn. You have to go out and fall off the log a
couple times to learn to walk the log.
(V) E—just told me about
something that happened. Can you give me some insight?
Q: (V) Are the boys fine? Are the boys okay?
A: Boys will be boys.
Q: (V) They thought they saw a witch.
(T) Who was she? It was the
neighbor lady again.
(L) Where was she and what was she doing?
What do you mean over a car that just started?
imaginations are just going.
A: How do peyote users see Santa Claus? [laughter]
Q: (V) Are the boys doing drugs tonight?
A: Nope. (Undecipherable comment from G—amidst laughter.) When did
you last see this in Rochester, G--?
Q: (G) Never! [Much laughter]
Q: (V) That kind of smacks of Freddie’s “When did you ever see this
in Half-Moon Bay, V__?”
(L) Where do you think Freddie is getting it
(V) Aren’t we all being enlightened?
(T) Is this...
A: Fred is channel. Others are grooving rapidly.
Q: (T) Others of us?
A: Yes. Forming conduit.
Q: (V) You were real happy to see all of us here together this
Q: (V) Can we look forward to a greater group and a greater
gathering as the year progresses?
Q: (T) Will it reach a point where there is too many people?
Q: (V) Is this like a community gathering? A society?
A: A conduit.
Q: (T) If I am not supposed to be at Home Shopping, where am I
supposed to be?
Q: (T) Am I supposed to be doing another kind of a job or is there
something entirely different that I am supposed to be doing?
Q: (L) Is he going to come to this awareness after he does some
hypnotic work and processes?
Q: (V) With meditation and metaphysical exercise, I can lift my
chakras higher, is this correct?
Q: (V) Dedication?
Q: (V) Is it all in what I perceive my purpose to be?
Q: (L) [Indicating little plastic dinosaur] Do you like our little
mascot here on the table?
Q: (V) Do you have any messages for us before we say goodnight?
A: No. Goodnight.
Q: (L) Thank you very much.
End of Session
Back to Contents