[Then, a day or two later, one more question.]
Rick Martin: I realized there was one additional question that is
quite important, that I did not ask you. Iím sure people will be
wondering. So, I wondered if I could ask you now?
Red Elk: Why not.
Rick Martin: There are many people who believe that there are
enlightened beings who live within the Earth in beautiful cities of
light, such as those found under Lake Titicaca, under the
Desert, under the North Pole, and under Mt. Shasta. Is that correct?
And if so, who are these beings?
Red Elk: Iím not sure if thatís dead correct, because thatís where
the cities are, you understand, some of them. Right, let me make
that clear. By saying ďsuch asĒ means that there ARE those kind of
cities under there. No! The only crystal cities that Iíve ever seen,
in all my life - Iím not even, to this day, sure if I was looking at
Heaven, or a great planet, but it wasnít on this Earth.
Rick Martin: Are you familiar with
Admiral Byrd, and his diary?
Red Elk: Iíve been familiar with Mr. Byrd since 11, or so.
Rick Martin: He says that he went into the North Pole, and met with
these beings of Light, at the North Pole, within the Earth, at the
great entrance of the North Pole. Now, who are these beings?
Red Elk: Iíve never seen them.
Rick Martin: So, you donít really know?
Red Elk: I have no idea if they still exist, or not. There are a
type of being that may be on the same line as a Lighted being, and
this was told to me by the Queen of the Innerland. At least, she
told me the name of them. She called them Rock Flyers. She explained
that they are a form of spiritual being, but physical spiritual.
They have the ability to fly, and actually live in the stones,
within the rocks and stones themselves. And she inferred they are
some form of an Angel.
Rick Martin: Now, would that be the entity who is
the soul of Earth?
Red Elk: No, no. She said
they are the Angels of her people, the
fairies and stuff; she calls them the Totems, as we do, and said:
ďAs well as your peopleĒ - inferring those who have Totems on the
And, Mr. Waters, of Melís Hole, when he was on the air last [on
Bellís radio program], he had quite an experience with a living
being. And thatís why I went to find out what this was all about.
And she said he had a very, very, extremely rare case of one of
these Rock Flyers taking shape within this animal, in the only way
it knew, in the only opportunity it could, and coming up, and Mr.
Waters had an actual healing experience with his Totem, one of these
Rock Flyers, that can take on different forms.
Rick Martin: Thatís interesting to know thatís what that was.
Red Elk: Well, thatís what she told me. Iíve never run into
Flyers; Iíve seen many Totems.
Rick Martin: Now, again, who told you this?
Red Elk: The Innerland Queen.
Rick Martin: Is she a being of Light?
Red Elk: No.
Rick Martin: Sheís in spirit?
Red Elk: Oh, no, no.
Rick Martin: This is a real being?
Red Elk: Sheís as real as the
fairies and stuff. I donít even know
her name. Weíve gotten, over time, onto a fairly good relationship.
In short, she never gets totally upset with me, or anything. And I
donít have to go in there bowing and scraping, and stuff like that.
She will send a messenger if she needs to see me, and wants to see
me. One of the elders will come and tell me so; then weíll make
arrangements for a meeting time.
Rick Martin: There is one person here who I work with, who has done
a lot of reading over the years, including the Admiral Byrd
material, and heís always been under the impression that in the very
center of the Earth there is a Great Sun. Is that a
Red Elk: The only Great Sun that it would be, that I have actually
witnessed, in spirit I have gone right into it, and that would be
quite similar to our Sun out here, just molten lava, and heat
Rick Martin: Thatís in the dead center? Youíre talking lava within
Red Elk: The # 1 level or layer, the so-called ball. Actually, it is
a ball. Itís round.
As for Mr. Byrdís going in through a hole. Iíve never seen a large
depression anywhere around the Earth like that. And I cannot verify
that this is true or not. I donít KNOW it.
But I do believe there is such a depression, kind-of like having a
large piece of clay pressed and warm in your hand, and press down
maybe an inch and a half thick, and then you take your thumb and you
press into it. The depression Iím speaking of, then, with your
thumb, curl under that depression to make edges. That, if this is
true, if there is such a place, that is the way I perceive it as
being. In short, itís a great cave, with the lid fallen-in.
Rick Martin: But in terms of these ďlight citiesĒ that people talk
about, like under Mt. Shasta, with the Lemurians, supposedly, is
that myth? Or, you just donít know, either way?
Red Elk: I could not say, either way. All I know are the cities that
I have personally seen, and these cities are of pure stone - no
electricity, no plastic, theyíre waiting for the returnees. They
have these huge chests that look like what they bury people in Egypt
in, a sarcophagus, similar but they donít have that kind of carving
and stuff, but theyíre made out of stone, too. And they fit really
tight, the lids. And in these chests - and it takes two men, easily,
to lift up the lid. In these chests are seeds for planting. And the
only ones Iíve ever seen them in are seeds in linen, like cloth, so
that when the Long Walkers get there, or the Returnees, if you
prefer, get there, they go in with the knowledge of how to plant in
the first place. They donít have tractors. Itís just like you could
go out there, and you know to make a row of corn. Youíve got nothing
to make it with. You can take a stick and make it.
Rick Martin: Now, the
Long Walkers - youíre talking about the Hopi and
Red Elk: Yeah. Thatís what the
Long Walkers are. But they arenít the
only ones who are going to go in. They are the only ones who are
called Long Walkers.
Rick Martin: Have you ever made contact with the soul of the Earth?
The entity that represents this planet?
Red Elk: The actual entity of
the soul of the Earth, as far as I
know - definitely no. Iíve never run into an entity called the soul of
the Earth. Frankly, the Earth needs no soul. Itís doing nothing
wrong. Itís doing itís job. Only those who have the will to do, on a
consistent basis, right or wrong, as they will it, have soul.
Therefore, all human beings, no matter what planet, have souls.
Everything else backs up the life of that human being.
Heavens for dogs, Heavens for cats, Heavens for horses - Iíve
seen many of them; just beautiful. When a dog dies, I donít care how
vicious the dog is here, it has done no wrong. It might have been
trained wrong, or whatnot, but itís done no wrong. Or, done wrong
through madness, like rabies or something, but it is free. It is
just free. And these animals, no matter what breed, and birds, and
fish, all kinds of things, this Heaven is a mass rolling cloud, for
each individual-type animal - you know, dogs for dogs, horses for
horses. And I say itís like that. Itís a cloud of pure - say weíre
going to dog Heaven, right? It is a cloud of absolutely pure dog
awareness joy. It is something else. Iíve had to help some animals
into this Heaven, including two or three of my own who were so
attached to us, they wanted to stay with us. No, itís time for them
to go home and enjoy whatís there for them. So, Iíve had to take
them, in spirit actually take them, and show them the place. And
they look, cock their heads, and ďWow!Ē
And I say: ďItís ok. Go!Ē And they just run and leap into this, and
just become one with this mass of joy. Iíve gone up, occasionally,
just to look. And this is the only Heaven that I, literally, go up
to on my own. The rest of the time, Iím taken into the Heaven for
us. By the way, there are animals in that Heaven for us, too. And
what happens is, these animals from Dog Heaven, for instance,
theyíre called by their former masters and theyíll just transfer to
there, and be with them. But they are not ďlockedĒ into the human
Heaven. They can go back and forth. If they get tired of being
around: ďSorry, pop, I gotta go. Iíll be back later.Ē And bang, off
they go. This Heaven is a kick!
Like Iíve said, Iíve been up there, and suddenly one of the animals,
over my lifetime, in this mass of confusion, chasing each other,
biting each other on the butt, just having dog-fun, not hurting
anything, just having fun - then, theyíll all of a sudden recognize
that Iím out there, watching, because Iím not allowed to go INTO
And suddenly, word seems to go out: ďHey, Red Elk is out there!Ē And
then just out of this massive cloud would bound a little whiff or
cloud, and turn into one of my former animals, and just run up, and
sit down, and look up at my face, and the tongue would be out,
saying: ďIím having fun. Nice to see you. Bye!Ē And thatís that.
Itís a wonderful place. But they have no souls. And I hear Penelope
Smith and others say this, that animals have souls. No, they donít.
They have an awareness and need no souls; they do no wrong.
Rick Martin: Makes sense. Thatís all I had. I just had to ask you
that one question about the cities of Light, and I know people will
be asking me.
Red Elk: I can honestly say, if there are such places, I donít know
of them, here within this Earth.
Oh, oh, oh! I take that back. Thank you, Creator. Aho! There is at
least one. And that is the one known as Shangri-La.
Rick Martin: And is that under Tibet?
Red Elk: No, itís under the Russian Steppes.
Rick Martin: Where is that?
Red Elk: That is the great wilderness of Russia, the great
wilderness, Siberia area. There is a way into it through
There is a way into it in the Russian Steppes.
Rick Martin: Thatís pretty remote.
Red Elk: Itís not only remote; itís unseeable - unless you go in the
right heart, and that unlocks the key; and then suddenly, it is
there. If you have that right heart, pure seeking, youíll be led
there; if thatís truly where you want to go. There are great Masters
there. There are a great many, many of the Essenes still there. The
Essenes have never gone out of existence, ever.
And the great Earth Learners. These are people who are alive.
Theyíre not spirit beings. They are alive people, alive, who are
actually very long-lived, if you want, near, if not totally,
immortal. They are great Masters, great Lovers. And Iím not speaking
sexual love; Iím speaking love of all mankind, all things. And itís
kind-of a parking place for those kinds of people who have walked
out to search.
Literally, if you and I were side-by-side, and you had the right
heart and I the wrong, you could get up to go to the bathroom or
something, and weíre camped out there searching for something
tangible that we can see, but your heart is right, and we happen to
be right there where itís at, but we canít see it because itís in
another kind-of dimension, you could go off to the bathroom, and I
could watch you go hide behind a bush, and you simply would walk
into air and I could not find you. You make it to Shangri-La; I do
And it is a strange world. And the key that you need to get into the
city is similar to the key needed to get into the Inner Earth, and
to the other cities that I know - and that is a pure heart. You go in
the proper area, the proper place, but if you are going with a pure
heart - not to conquer, not to explore, but youíve heard, and you
hunger to be a part of it, and you love the Creator, and you love
everything - and youíre not going to hide from a police record or
something. Anyway, with that pure heart, if you get within the
general area, you are checked out. It is a city that is within the
Earth, and yet is inter-dimensional.
Rick Martin: Now, would this be the city where reside the great
Masters who are, forever, on this planet, such as Baba Ji?
Red Elk: Yes, it would be. But, is it? I donít know. Only the people
who have set their heart on nothing but goodness and kindness and
compassion and love and helping - not all of these people, you
understand - but in their searching, they hear of Shangri-La.
Iím looking at it, right now. Iím split. Iím what we call split.
And, frankly, the city looks quite a bit like the one in/on this
planet I told you about - a crystal, dome-like, inter-dimensional
though, city. Itís there, within the Earth, not on the surface of
the Earth. And if you and I happen to be in the Earth, at that area
of the city, but not of pure heart, we would not know it exists. To
us, weíd be walking through the air of a cave, or whatnot. Itís an
inner heart way. The key to it is through the heart. Youíve got to
be of pure heart.
And that holds true with the other Keepers. Thatís one of my jobs,
called Keeper of the Tunnels, which means or infers,
I have a city that I am particularly keeper of, the entry way. The
first group of Long Walkers are headed for that city, and there are
a number of openings to this city. And some of them are actual,
physical openings, that you can actually physically enter into - a
crack, or cave, or whatnot, and start your walk. And this is what
theyíve done. But I have the inner key, the pure heart; therefore, I
have the key to the opening that is scant miles from the city. When
the time comes, my orders are already known. When the time comes,
the Creator will send certain ones to me, at a certain place, and
these are the ones from other breeds - other than
Indian-American - Black people, it doesnít matter. He knows who they
are. They will be called. They will be so compelled, they canít stop
themselves. They will do everything they can to get there.
They will meet with me, and then I will open the door, and they will
go down. I will then shut the door, and thatís it. My job is done
for the inner city work. Iíll stay here. I have to face the music
thatís up here. I cannot - I do not know how to open the door, go down
with them, and then come back up and open the door, and come back to
the surface. I have no knowledge of how to do that. All I do,
basically, Iím just the doorman.
Rick Martin: And when you open that door, I presume itís so that
they go down into safety?
Red Elk: Yes, and the survivors here on the surface, over time, will
interbreed, and there will be ONE COLOR, ONE LANGUAGE. The same
thing will happen down there.
Now, the American Indians,
Long Walkers, and those of that ilk, they
believe that they came from down there, which is very true. Not all
of them, you understand, but many of these people were the survivors
who were saved by the gods, little g, in reality, here, and from up
on our surface, when they warred against the Draconian Lizards and
saved the group. They believe that they are the only ones, that they
are the only people who came out of the Inner Earth. (Laughter) Boy,
are they wrong! There were Africans, and all kinds of people, all
around the Earth. Theyíre not the only ones. They are a little
cocky, and theyíve got this in their head. I donít know why.
But nevertheless, they believe that they are going to be masters, if
you want, of the city theyíre going to. And there are a number of
cities, a number of Long Walkers, who are going to be going toward
these cities, American Indians - at least 3, at the very least - are
going to be going to cities that are deep within our underground.
Rick Martin: Youíre talking about 3 individuals?
Red Elk: Three cities, at least. When they get there, theyíre going
to believe that this is for them. Wow! Alleluia and all of that.
Theyíll think: ďThe Great Spirit has given us a whole city. We know
how to live here. Our ancestors had known how to make knives, etc.,
and weíve learned those skillsĒ and blah, blah, blah.
Well, at least in the one city that I take care of, that I am in
charge of, theyíre going to find, when they get there, thereís
others who are waiting for them from our surface, of very many
different colors. The same type of colors that are here, same race,
breeds, if you want, that are up here on our planetís surface will
be going down there. And in my case, they will be there before the
Long Walkers get to it.
Now, in the other cities, I donít know. But nevertheless, they will
get there, if theyíre not there first. You understand?
Rick Martin: Yes.
Red Elk: And the Long Walkers are going to be very, very surprised.
As it stands now, in the first group of Long Walkers, at least five
are dead. I just checked recently, and it still looks like only five
Rick Martin: Five are dead?
Red Elk: Yes, yes. One died of appendicitis. One, I donít know. And
three, foolishly, did not pay heed to myself or the Guides that the
Inner Queen had given them, and went off exploring on their own. And
thereís traps all through these dang tunnels.
And during a big rest-stop, these three saw a huge, at least
3-foot-wide, pure silver vein; and they wanted to explore that. They
walked off, and it was a trap-vein, and a cave-in killed the 3 of
them. Which is good - what is death? Theyíre ok; theyíve gone on. And
it was good that this went on, too, because it really chastised the
others to PAY ATTENTION to what I have told their leader, and them,
and what the Guides tell them. And it was needed - really, in a sense,
designed, that this happened to these three - to warn, and show the
others that this is not a game. It might be a long, long walk, but
it is not a game; you pay attention. And believe me, they are now!
But, in this group there is an older lady who is, well, she has a
big ego problem, and she thinks that SHE should be the leader. And
the leadership is given to a younger man, when the original leader
abandoned them, and came out of the tunnel, just scared to death. He
made big hoopla about, he knew this, he knew that about the
Innerland. He didnít know diddly-squat, nothiní - and he, literally,
He came out and said: ďThey are sick. They need this. They need
that.Ē And told our Indian people, the Elders, and stuff. And they
backed him up with all kinds of stuff - I mean, the guy was
loaded-down. And he went back into the Inner Earth, to one of the
first small caves, and sat there for several days eating the foods
and things that he was, supposedly, bringing back to them.
And he came out and told them: ďWell, I got back to them, but they
left. I told them to stay there, and I canít find them in this maze.
Theyíre gone.Ē So, the first group is considered to be dead now.
So, they made up a second group to go, and this man was going to
lead them in. And I thought ďOh, noĒ when I heard about this.
You know, the guy has got these Elders hoodwinked. He just - oh, I
just donít stand this kind of medicine people ego - but a real hero to
the people when he came out. You know, a real hero. He made his way
out, and heís going back in to ďsaveĒ the group. Save the group my
butt! He was scared to death in there.
Anyway, they were going to send him in with a second group. When I
heard about it, I had to search him out and put a sickness on him,
that put him into the hospital. Iím not allowed to kill or anything;
itís abhorrent to me. But, in this case, I had to put a sickness on
this younger man. Young, well, heís probably in his early 40s now.
The Elders couldnít understand it, because this guy was going to
lead the second group in, and the group was ready, then suddenly
heís very sick. And the doctors are scrambling all over to find out
whatís going on - the White doctors. Ta-da! The light went on in the
head of 2 or 3 of the Elders, and they said: ďWait a minute. This is
no ordinary sickness. This is something put on by a sorcerer, or
something along that line.Ē
Iím not a sorcerer, but I know the abilities. So they went searching
and they did a time-trip on the Long Walkers, the first group, and
found out the truth of this man. I think thereís five of them who
did this, and they were just astonished that this man was a Judas.
He was NOT what he was making himself out to be.
So they understood the sickness, and chose another to lead the
second group in, which is well on its way now.
And this one here, somehow
- I donít know how - word has kind-of
filtered out of the great Elders pow-wow, heís kind-of like a dog
with his tail between his legs, down there in Indian land. Heís lost
all status, all status. Heís out of the hospital, but heís locked
out of ever doing this again. And he will never enter in. Heís not a
true-heart. He will never enter in.
Meanwhile, the lady thinks she should be leader. So, what is going
to happen - I see the future of it, Iíve been shown the future of it.
They will get emerge from the entrance into the great cave, where
this huge, huge, huge area of beautiful land is - water, with fish,
animals, and by the way, these animals are not like our animals.
These are Mastodons and stuff.
Anyway, they see the city in the distance
- not huge distance, you
know, 20-30 miles away - and making their way to it. All of a sudden
as they get close, they see that there are people there who are not
Indians, who are Black people, White people, all different colors.
And theyíre ďshockedĒ, just literally shocked. And the Indian woman
then will cause an uprising within the group, and there will be a
And if this woman has her way - and I donít know beyond this
future - she has either got to somehow be convinced into staying with
the group, or coming back to the half-group theyíre split from, now,
and live in peace. In short, take it as the way it is. Just roll
with the punches. We werenít expecting it either, but come on back.
And she doesnít want to. I know this.
Or, she will take her son, and some of her other followers,
splitting-off, and they will cause the first wars in the Innerland.
Or, she must be killed, or die in a natural form, to stop the wars
she will be making because of her hatred of the races that she sees,
and her hatred of the Elder who is much wiser than her, who actually
has the authority and is leading the group. Itís just hate; sheís
jealous and full of hate.
Rick Martin: Really unfortunate.
Red Elk: Yes, very unfortunate, very unfortunate, indeed. And I know
that peace will try to be made, but I do not know if it will
succeed. And the only hope is that she dies, and her son dies. Heís
not anywhere near as bad as her, but sheís got the son convinced
sheís the leader. Itís very, very sad.
Luckily not everybody goes with her. Actually, just a little less
than half of those who actually make it out of the hole - some 16. But
therein enters war. While the others will, all over our world, will
meet with others from our upperland, and they, too, will interbreed.
The same color that is on our surface, will be on their surface; the
same language on our surface will be on their surface. All nations
It is the Red man, the Red manís nation - the knowledge that we give
out. My job is to teach the abilities that all human beings have;
the knowledge is what will be left of the Red manís race. That inner
touch, how to make fruit out of a piece of dead branch, that happens
to be an apple branch. I teach how to do this. I give them the
knowledge. I do not do it for them. Iíve taken my lessons. I know
what I can do; Iíve seen it work. Iíve tested it. I know how simple
the lesson is, and therefore lies the biggest problem on how hard it
is to do it. Itís so damn simple that nobody can believe it. Excuse
my language, but you understand what I mean?
Rick Martin: Sure I do.
Red Elk: Our world is full of the idea that itís got to be
complicated; weíve got to have scientists do it; weíve got to have a
great inventor do it; itís got to have millions of dollars behind
it - ah, bull crap. Itís just got to have your heart and your mind,
and thatís that!
So, anyway, thatís where that stands.
And, before we go, my brother, there is something that I wish I had
told in this interview.
Aho! Thank you, Creator. Aho!
Boy, I just love Dad. He has a pretty good head.
Rick Martin: Heíll remind you.
Red Elk: He says, like the
Crystal City inside, and this, what Iím
going to say, wasnít just a reminder. It was like a toilet plunger
just pressing down. Itís a very permanent reminder.
And that is the fact that I speak, in the interview, quite a bit
about what people would call Christian things.
Well, the Inner Heyoka learned at the feet of the Son of God. Thatís
where our original society originated. Christ himself. You call him
Christ. We call him Pale One, or Pale Teacher.
So, I am one of only twelve who carry on the traditional way of
purity. I understand our Indian nationís main ceremonies. Not all
ceremonies are based on this, but our main ones, like Sun
Dance - where it comes from, how it connects with Christ, how it
connects with the Bible. Iím the bridge. Iím not supposed to
understand these things.
And, if youíd like to put why I talk so much about the Bible, being
on the Indian side, Iíd gladly explain one of the great bridgings,
one of the great misunderstandings between Indians and Whites, both.
Rick Martin: Tape is rolling.
Red Elk: The
Sun Dance consists of a very large circle scratched
into the Earth. And in the center is a hole, to receive the center
pole, the tree. And what happens is, when it comes time for Sun
Dance, the Elders will get together and pray, and send out
scouts - young bucks, if you would.
I donít think that we like that word, but the White man will
Nevertheless, send them to look for the proper tree to fill this
hole. And these people will go out and search the countryside,
sometimes for many, many miles, 2 or 3 days. They will come back and
report: ďI found this tree, I found that tree.Ē
They are busted up into small groups and go out in 2s, 3s, 1s, and
report back. And then the Elders will take these reports and go and
check on these trees, the Elders themselves, to see which tree is
the right tree. When the right tree is found, then they send for a
whole crew of guys - good, strong guys, young men, and a virgin, a
young woman; sheíll be dressed in white. And they do their prayers,
and give thanks for the sacrifice of cutting the tree, and
everything thatís involved, which is a lot more than is normal for
us when we take the life of a tree or plant. Even more so with this,
because this is a very special tree.
The tree is not short. Itís not some little 15-foot tree; itís up
there in height. And they will give the young virgin an axe, and in
ceremony, with this axe, she will run up and strike the tree; if I
remember right, 3 times, but it varies.
Now, this young virgin, dressed in white, represents
mother of Christ. She hits the tree because it is the enemy upon
which her child was killed. They cut the tree down, then. The young
men have to line-up so, when the tree comes down, they have to catch
it. They canít let it drop on the ground. This is a big, green tree,
with leaves and everything.
Then they catch it and de-limb it. They have to carry it all the way
back to the circle, no matter if it is days or nights. They cannot
let it touch the ground. So they shift, they have people who shift,
depending on how far away that it is. They represent those who
helped carry the cross of Christ.
The tree enters the circle. The circle represents the circle of all
Creation, all life - every planet, every people of those planets, our
own planet, our own mitakuye oyasin, one relation. And when we say
we are one relation, we are not inferring only human-to-human, we
are related to the worm that helps to aerate the earth by eating our
bodies that are buried in the earth. And, therefore, the water gets
into those little holes and helps feed the grass roots and stuff,
and the animals come and eat it; and we eat the animals, or we eat
the plants. And, literally, we are ingesting our dead sometimes. You
know? In a sense, weíre the top of the food chain, and the bottom.
Both! But anyway, we mean everything when we say mitakuye oyasin;
weíre talking everything - the rain, the mountains, the stars, the
dirt, everything; not just people.
So, anyway, this great circle represents all of this. And itís in a
circle because everything runs in a circle. The hole is in the dead
center of this circle. Well, they bring the tree into this hole, and
on top of the tree is a live branch, with the leaves on it. Thatís
the only one thatís not taken away from the tree. And then they put
the tree in, and with great ceremony they plant the tree.
The tree represents the cross of
Christ. The green branch on top
represents life, up there. It is connected into the Earth, from our
Mother, our Mother Earth, to the Heavens itself, is the connection.
And the connection is the Christ.
Well, they donít have a cross-piece on it, but they tie lines to
it - those who are going to dance. These dancers prepare through
fasting and a lot of prayer, because itís a pretty painful dance.
Certain people, by each dancer, are pierced, and bone, or sticks, or
whatnot are shoved through these pulled pieces of skin; and one of
these lines are looped around these sticks in such a manner that it
catches both sides of the stick. This represents the piercing of
Then the dance begins. And they start dancing around, asking the
Creator for forgiveness for themselves, or whatever, but asking the
Creator to be with ALL. Some dance, not for themselves, but for
others who canít dance. Itís a beautiful time, but itís rough. And
theyíre leaning back on these sticks, on these long, long lines.
Meanwhile, everybody is praying and pow-wowing, and kind-of
partying, and rooting for the people there, dancing on.
In the old days, they used to dance day and night. But today, they
take them down during the day - they take the skewers off, on some of
these. They donít do it anymore like in the old days. And now they
let them rest during the night. In the old days, they were at it day
and night. If they had to sleep, theyíd just fall asleep right there
on the ground, and someone would come and cover them.
Anyway, they pulled themselves loose from these skewers, or these
lines on the skewers. And if they canít, by jerking back, literally
rip those two holes from side-to-side, then others will come in and
pull them back. Itís real easy to pull the skewers out and just
release them. But thatís not the way of it. Their sacrifice for the
prayer, for the people, for all Creation, is so great, it is very,
very painful. Each one are representing the Christ.
So they are ripped-off the cross. And others might have to help
them. And I tell you - you go into great pain on this thing. And then
they are taken for healing time. In this healing time, it generally
lasts for three days. Christ was buried for three days. And then
they come out, doctored and cared for, and are considered very
special people, very holy people. And our people will touch them,
and honor them with gifts, and thanksgiving, and ask for special
The whole thing is the ceremony, because of what the
about; because we had no words to write down. So we did it in
ceremony, to remember what we can now read in the Bible.
This is what American Indian ceremonies
- a vast majority, well, all
ceremonies - are, literally: words in plays, in acts, like watching
Shakespeare. But, over the centuries, even our Indians have
forgotten what some of our ceremoniesí origins or roots were. They
have the most beautiful meanings, but well off the mark.
As for the
Inner Heyokas, there were 13. In time - Iím not sure if I
said this earlier - Christ had left 13 of what you would call
apostles, over there in the Jerusalem area.
Over time, all the Indians learned a lot, my ancestors of the
society learned a tremendous amount. And they would come to us for
healing. And, at first, they would honor us with gifts, food-stuffs,
and things that are needed for life, just to exist. But, in time,
they just expected it from us. And it got to the point, theyíd
rattle the new claws on the teepee, on the lodge, in the middle of
the night: ďHey, I need your prayers. Come on out.Ē And we started
to go from something of being respected greatly, to dang near a
slave. And that, to this day, is still the case.
- weíre spending more time healing than going out and
getting a hunk of meat to feed our kids and wives. And this got one
of the 13 ticked-off. So, the next time somebody wanted him, when
someone came to him and said: ďLook, basically, we need you over at
this Nation, a couple-day trip.Ē
He said: ďYeah, you tell them Iím going to come, but Iím not coming
at this minute.Ē He had gotten a great idea. He grabbed drums, and
rattles, and he had already planned this. He had made a mask, and
everything else. Well, he packed-up and went.
He went into the village, and these people are expecting kind-of
Paul the apostle to walk into this thing, ďThanks, guysĒ and walk
He came in and he, literally, began chanting and drumming and
singing and rattling and doing a whole hoopla of things; it became a
vaudeville act. And then he did the prayer that he was going to
normally do, anyway. Well, this was so awe-inspiring to the people
there, they paid him - my gosh, not only a healing, but entertainment,
This is where tradition started. Tradition started out of purity and
need - not trust, though. 1 of the 13, the original 13, started
tradition. He became a damned clown. But, in time, it grew with more
Well, people were bringing the clown in: Here, letís have a song and
dance and healing too, and weíll give you good stuff for it. And it
caught-on with others who are lesser medicine people, who are not of
the inner 13. And this is where tradition started.
Well, it left us with only 12 who remained in purity, who remained
in the ability to do tradition. We knew the songs and dances, too,
over time. We learned it, but that didnít mean we did it; we learned
it, we knew what it was all about. But we prefer to not use it. We
prefer to go up and pray.
Well, todayís White world has ruined even the prayer of purity. They
went in and said: ďSure, Iíll pray for youĒ - meaning well, but not
asking the Creator if they should do so; or, if so, how to do it.
What does He want done? They donít do that.
But Christ said: I ask and then do. What Dad tells me to say, I say.
What He tells me to do, I do. If not, I donít do it.
The Christians donít follow Christ. They claim to, but they are
liars, unintentionally, but they are liars. So, today, when people
come to me for prayer, I go to the Creator, every single time. And I
say: ďSir, what do YOU want? Am I to do this for this person? Or, am
I to be a part of it?Ē
And then I listen. Itís that simple. You ask and then you listen.
Just shut-up and listen, and expect an answer. And He gives you an
answer. And if itís ďYesĒ, then I ask Him: ďWhat do you want me to
do about it? How? How do you want me to go about it, sir?Ē
And He tells you. And in many cases He says: ďThey came to you as
Indians, asking for it in the Indian way, i.e., the way of
tradition. So, give it to them in that way.Ē And then He explains
exactly how He wants me to go about it. And I do so. And the people
are happy, because that same kind of traditional method cured
grandma and great auntie and on and on.
It really wasnít that, because thatís all a vaudeville act; but they
believe it. It was the prayer that did the work, and the prayer
didnít even heal anybody, it was the fact that the prayer was given
by the Creator, and He healed. We donít heal a thing.
Thereís where tradition became, and also, itís where itís going to
go back to - purity. Already, some of the medicine people are
approaching me, saying: ďRed Elk, we know this is dying. We know
that the future holds no more plants for us to use, no more of this
or that. How are we going to survive? How are we going to remain
being medicine men without all of this stuff ?Ē
And I laugh, and I say: ďYouíve never needed it in the first place!Ē
And I explain. And itís hard on them, but they see the truth of it.
Theyíre going to have to go through something new to them - purity.
So, anyway, it is no trouble for me to swing back and forth between
Indian and the so-called White manís religion. And itís no trouble
for me to go into Muslim and Buddhist.
The Creator looks at a personís heart. I have, now, people who are
Buddhist, and people who are Muslims, and Wiccan, and atheists, who
are Christ-followers. Thatís what the word Christian means; they use
the power of what Christ gave the people: love. That was his
sacrifice, his teaching, and his love. Therefore, anyone who loves,
not hoping to get something back, but just plain compassion, they,
at that time, are a Christ-follower, whether they know it or want
anything to do with it, or not. CHRIST IS LOVE. CHRIST WAS GOD. GOD
IS LOVE. Even the Bible says: ďGod is the spirit of loveĒ as well as
many other names.
Right now I have a Buddhist - an active one who loves the religion
Buddhist/Christian; and I have two Muslims who love their way,
Muslim/Christian. God doesnít care how you go to Him; He cares about
Rick Martin: Intent.
Red Elk: I have people who are atheists, who to this day will not
admit that there is a God, but they follow Christ, because they do
so out of just pure heart-love purity. Do you understand?
Rick Martin: Yes, I do.
Red Elk: I wish people would leave everybodyís way of going to God
alone. And, knowing what God is, purity love, knowing what Christ
was, Him, in purity love on two legs, and knowing what that purity
love does to you, it gives you compassion and the willingness to
love without any recompense on your part, with much sacrifice,
Never mind if they get on a piece of cloth and bow to the East.
Allah is the name of God in that region, for Heavenís sake! Itís
this in-fighting of religion thatís terrible, but even worse is, in
those religions you have, like Taliban, and your other Muslim types,
itís in-fighting; itís denominationalism within the Muslim faith, a
splitting-away and causing in-fighting. And itís nothing more than
what we have here that we call denominations. Let us unite as
mitakuye oyasin - one people, in love. And never mind how we go about
it, go about touching Godís ear.
So be it. I felt very strongly, I came on more like a preacher than
an Indian, and they wouldnít know where I came from.
Rick Martin: Itís always good to clarify.
Red Elk: Iím doing CDs and tapes, professional, on how to do certain
things. The first three are professionally taped: How to teleport;
How to do telepathy, on demand; and How to fly, or levitate - both 101
and advanced. All people have to do is to test it, to find out if it
You do me a favor. You pray about it [whether to include the
following information]. Iím not in this for the money. Thank God Iím
starting to make some money. But Iím not in it for the money. Itís
almost a sin for me to make money, and itís awful hard on me,
because the Bible says: ďFeed your hawks.Ē And this big, old, dumb
ox, Iíve been working for years for nothing.
Nevertheless, I have other ones coming up. Next month Iíll spend a
whole day taping a bunch of other ones.
Then, the one I have now is called The Agendas, as you know (a
24-page booklet, $33) that gives nothing but knowledge. And
knowledge that nobody else is presenting, and really knowledge
thatís so deep that, whoís going to believe it? The only way that
youíre going to find out is to wait, and that way you wonít be so
shocked as it happens.
I donít set the price on these things. The Creator sets the price,
and Iím ashamed at the price; Iím so shamed. But he told me: ďNo! I
mean, literally, No!Ē He said: ďI want only those who are truly
interested in learning to receive these.Ē And that means that if
people canít afford the price themselves ($33 for a 24-26 page
booklet), they can always find 2 or 3 others who would like to share
Again, you pray about it, and if you put it in, you tell them you
prayed about it. Iím going to leave it in Creatorís hands and out of
Rick Martin: This is a good place to end. Thank you for sharing your
wisdom with our readers.
Red Elk: Aho!
On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, we received a telephone call at
SPECTRUM from renowned Native American leader Red Elk, who felt
compelled to share the following message with all of our readers.
Many of you will remember
Red Elk as Rick Martinís featured
front-page interviewee for our April 2002 issue. That provocative
article was titled Red Elkís Medicine Message Of Worlds Within
Worlds: Old Mysteries, Powerful Truths For Today. Red Elk teaches
and lectures extensively and has several times spoken to the vast
listening audience of Art Bellís late-night talk-radio program about
both spiritual matters and the many layers of activity going on
right under our feet.
Rick Martin answered
Red Elkís call and, once the intent was
understood, quickly grabbed his tape recorder so that we could share
the following information and dialog with you.
Is it timely? Thatís a matter of personal value within the
Play thatís rapidly picking up speed. It seems that teachers from
all directions are being urged to step forth and do their part to
help guide those who are awakening to an awareness of the Cleansing
Spirit moving ever more surely over planet Earth.
As Red Elk says, conditions shall be such as to encourage all of
like mind to work together toward the renewal of Mother Earth - for
all our relations.
RED ELK on
22nd January 2003 (Website:
What Iíd like to say, if at all possible, is to the people:
The line IS drawn. Capitalize IS. There will be no more
fence-straddling. Youíre either going to be for Good, or for self.
Basically, weíve only got
about 2Ĺ years before war comes to our
shores, and WE lose. But it wonít be a total loss.
The Great Hand of the Creator will slap-down on the foreign armies
that occupy the USA. It will slap-down three times, and every
foreign personnel who are connected with taking us over will flee.
But, nevertheless, war is due.
There will be a
M7.2 earthquake on the West Coast. Somewhere rolling
in from the Portland, Oregon area. Now, I do not know if thatís
Portland included, but from that particular area, up toward
Washington. Date or year unknown, but it will be early on a
beautiful Spring morning.
Mount St. Helens will blow again, going through the lava tubes,
wiping-out Cougar, Washington - going towards
Portland. I donít know
if the winds catch it before or after, and then blow it along the
coast, and inland again, East, as before. Time and date and year
unknown - but it will be. It will be as before, on a beautiful Spring
morning, between 6:00 and 10:30 a.m. More towards Summer, I think,
because itís a very beautiful day.
Mt. Rainer will blow approximately just under 1/4 of its top, like
an arrow shooting up. And then it will turn around and come down and
fill the gap that it had left, creating air pressure far into the
inlands of Eastern Washington, Kittitas County. There will be holes
from a few mere inches to 60 feet or so across, that are blown out
with just air pressure, nothing to do with lava. This will happen
sometime approaching or during elk season, which is Fall time.
Again, the time and year unknown.
But weíre in for one heck of a ride. This should take place before
Planet X will not flip the Earth. Itís only one of three events. It
will be a contributing factor only. It is there. Weíve known it in
Native medicine knowledge for many, many, many - well, foretold for
centuries. When will it come? I donít know if itís on the date
everybody is talking about; I have no idea. All I know is that it
will be coming. And it will cause great disturbances on the Earth.
But it will not cause the Earth to flip, though it will be a
When will the Earth flip? I donít know. It will flip within 23
years, anytime within 23 years, and AFTER the events just described.
THE LINE IS DRAWN. YOU EITHER GET RIGHT SPIRITUALLY WITH THE
CREATOR, SO THAT YOU CAN RELY ON THE CREATOR TO PROTECT YOU AND MAKE
YOU SAFE, IF THAT IS WHAT HE WANTS OF YOU, OR NOT.
And itís going to be Bad versus Good, Good versus Bad, Unconditional
Love versus Self Gratification.
The Christian churches will break up. There will be the true-hearts
who will leave, leaving the modern-day Christian way, in the church
buildings. The true-hearts will start meeting in homes, again. They
will stay in the traditional Christian churches until they canít
stand it anymore. But they will be a Light within the Church for a
short time, and then they will pull out.
Again: the line is drawn! Thereís no more fence-straddling, at all.
You make up your mind now which way youíre going to go: Good or Bad.
You still LOVE the Bad. They can call you enemy; but you donít call
The year 2012 is NOT the end of civilization as we know it; that I
can see. But it is the Year of Confusion.
So many probables. Mankind
can go in so many different, strong ways that the Mayan, the
etc., just did not see which way they were going to go. They were
all such strong possibilities to go. So, they more or less threw
their hands up and said: ďWe donít know.Ē
Thank you, my brother, thatís the best I can do.
Martin: I have one question for you.
Red Elk: No, Iím not pregnant. [Laughter]
Martin: [Laughter] Our upcoming March feature concerns the year
Red Elk: Yeah, there is something that is going to be done in 2003.
I donít know what.
Martin: There is a lot that people are seeing, a lot of apprehension
for the first half of 2003. Some people are apprehensive because of
Planet X, some people are apprehensive because of the possible
in Iraq, and yet there are other factors coming into play, not the
least of which is time manipulation.
Do you have a sense of what peopleís apprehension is about 2003?
Red Elk: Most of the apprehension is caused by the
great shifting. We are of Earth. We are made of dirt, and stuff,
originally. So we are, therefore, very much in tune with the Earth,
regardless if you are aware of it or not. The grading, and all of
the movement of our Earth, sheís getting ready to roll. Itís causing
a sympathetic vibration in the human body.
Also, people are going into parallel times and places, actually
doing it - and shocked: ďWhat was that all about?Ē Because it only
lasts a moment, to several minutes. Are they going crazy? No, itís
just they are not aware of what is happening.
[Editorís note: This last comment is very similar to what
Preston Nichols say in Rickís front-page feature story.]
Martin: Thereís a lot of that.
Red Elk: Yes, there is a tremendous amount, and it is growing, and
growing, and growing.
So some of the apprehension is due to our
Mother Earth. And the fact
that our people came from her belly - in that sense, we ARE connected.
But most people are not aware of the total connection.
But another thing: How do I say it? There is also occurring
manipulation through ďother forcesĒ - those who in turn are
manipulated by Luciferian angels and he himself, who are trying to
manipulate the humans to be afraid.
Red Elk: Youíre supposed to run to the government; they will
ďprotectĒ you. Youíre damn right they will! Theyíre part of the
other ones, the Bad ones!
You are being controlled simply by fear
- theyíre trying to, anyway.
Big word: fear! FEAR!
And those who learn to overcome that fear, and walk in the
Love and Unity with The Creator - shoot - this will be a piece of cake.
It will be like walking through a cloud instead of hitting a
mountain. It will only cause you to waiver a bit; then off you go,
right through that mountain! Itís nothing more than energy in the
first place, just as you are energy. You become an unstoppable force,
going right through an immovable object!
Itís all mind, God-mind stuff. It is, literally, thought energy. You
match energy and pass through. And we can do that - but it takes a
heart relationship with Daddy to do it. It really does; Iím not
kidding anybody. It really does!
Put that down, however you want, brother, if you will.
Martin: Iíll be glad to.
Red Elk: The line is drawn! Thereís no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
Our skies havenít turned red, yet. I think that Planet X is going to
help along in that way.
Iím not sure if itís going to be a nuclear explosion that causes
this. Although, the wavering of our Earth, and this Planet X coming
by so close and causing what it does - makes the Earth shake and
rattle and roll even more.
And since everybody is on edge anyway, somebody might, might hit the
wrong button and we will have a nuclear war. And Iím talking PRIOR
So, the skies will turn red, day and night, for a number of days in
a row. What actually causes it? Iím not sure. It hasnít happened
yet. We can still change everything if enough people of the planet
got right with The Creator; we could stop everything.
Planet Earth can go out into space like a slingshot. Mamma would
calm down and say: ďAh, the fleas are resting.Ē And not shake us
off. Otherwise, weíre on our own.
And I tell you true: the line IS drawn! Itís not a matter of going
to be, or a little line here, a little line there, like it has
been - people here, people there, praying for Mother Earth, not
knowing that thereís five more, six blocks down the road, doing the
same thing. Theyíre not yet connected, a bunch of little lines.
But now, they are going to connect as One! Those who are for Good
will connect as One, in some super-huge kind of meeting.
And theyíve got to learn that, when they connect, they cannot
repeat, with big CANNOT - say: ďWeíre all here for helping Earth and
mankind, and this is the way you must do it.Ē
Theyíve got to realize
- Iím talking medicine people, spiritual
people, Iím talking wiccan people - I donít care, as long as they are
for Mamma Earth, and for unity of Love, I donít care how they go to
But, Iím telling you this: There is a great problem in the world
today, amongst the so-called ďspiritualĒ people. They have a problem
with: ďMY way is right; so weíll do it this way.Ē
They are not living
Mitakuye Oyasin [for all my relations]. They
just talk the word.
The world is a body, in a sense. We are the doctors, in a sense. All
doctors, to be regular doctors, all go to the same kind of basic
training to know the body before they branch off to be a brain
surgeon, a heart surgeon, a foot doctor. But they all have to take
the same basic training before they branch-off.
They are forgetting that we all have the same basic training; weíre
all working with the same body. And sure, some know how to do brain
surgery; some know how to do foot work. But that does not cure the
body; it only cures that part.
They must realize it takes all, working together, on the whole body!
The brain surgeon, the heart surgeon, the guy who heals broken
bones, the guy who takes care of intestinal disorders - without all of
them truly working together, no ONE is right.
They must unify! Then the body has a great chance of being healed;
otherwise, itís just partially crippled. Right now the body is
spastic. We must work together to make the body whole. Work
TOGETHER, not against each other. None of this ďmine is right, yours
is wrongĒ attitude.
And until they can do that, these who call others together to meet
for praying for Mother Earth, and all that, but they still stay in
their specialty and fight each other - how can they be so stubborn and
yet claim to heal all?! They must accept every bit of each otherís
little individual - or great - amount of work on the body.
The nurse who gives the aspirin, she is very much needed. And so is
the brain surgeon. No one is more important than the other. We must
Now, people world-wide are getting awfully antsy, scattered,
frightened. As I said, itís designed to be that way, so they can be
They must be FREE, SELF-THINKERS, and TOTALLY FEARLESS. And they
canít do that without the total spiritual contact with our Creator.
And that Creator is 100% real! Theyíve got to reach that point of
Make that Creator
- however you call
The Creator: He, She, Cosmos,
Allah, God, whatever - make that one Daddy. Make Him REAL in your
heart! Humanize Him to the point where you can run and jump on His
lap, and hug Him. But do it with great respect; thatís what He
wants. You are His thought! You are His child! You wouldnít exist if
He didnít want you in the first place!
So make Him an approachable Daddy. Donít keep Him at such a
distance, pushed away with some kind of artificial reverence. Talk
to Him in a respectful manner. But then, regard Him as you would
your father, human father, who you love dearly. You want to go to
Dad and give Him a hug.
Or, you want to be able to say:
donít understand this or that; help me.Ē
And if youíre in the wrong and donít admit it, youíre going to get
your butt spanked. Heís Dad! He wants you to grow up right!
You might as well get up on His lap and apologize, and love Him,
instead of standing out there in the doorway. Get in there and hug
the Guy, this Great Being. He exists!
Well, Iíve said my piece. A lot more than I intended to say. Take it
down as you choose.