Paola Harris: I'm only an
investigator of those who claim they had experiences. My duty is
to do a good job and to faithfully report what witnesses say,
because only the correct information should reach people, with
Maurizio Cavallo: I felt obliged to tell my experience after
eleven years of silence to relate what happened to me and could
happen also to other people. Something that brought an inner,
complete transformation in me, in my life and in my family. But
after I regretted doing it because, though I met many open minded
people, beautiful and great personalities who wanted and wish to
know the truth, I found also a lot of wickedness.
I met with
people who were selfishly driven by personal aims and they
disgusted me. I have met also unstable people, really insane
people. Two months ago I hosted here, after many telephone
calls, a guy who presented himself as the chief commander of the
extraterrestrial fleet and, to demonstrate he was a real alien,
he showed me what he called a laser beam, but it was only a chinese pocket torch with some small lights on it. These things
really upset me.
Paola Harris: How do you get rid of those kinds of visitors?
Maurizio Cavallo: It was my intention to invite him for lunch as
I usually do with the people I meet for the first time, to treat
them like friends, like people dear to me... but, when I realized
what kind of person he was, despite all my best intentions, I
had to invent an unexpected appointment. I hate to lie. I love
to be frank. Also, if sometimes I sound a little rough, I like
to be outspoken. I can't stand a world built of lies but, in
some cases, you have to protect yourself. That man was a
Paola Harris: There are also people who wish to consider you a
guru, how do you manage them in these situations?
Maurizio Cavallo: I cause them to dislike me. It means that, if
they think I can give something to them, if they ask me to teach
something to them - and I have always been very clear about it -
I tell them that I am not a guru and I cannot teach them
anything apart from my personal experience. If they will be able
to learn something from my experience, I will be happy, but I
cannot teach them anything because I am still learning. And when
I say that they often have a negative reaction because they feel
betrayed. They start to treat me like someone who doesn't want
to give them what they consider a property of their own. From
when my experience started in 1981 I have become a person who
can be loved but can be hated as well.
Paola Harris: In 1981 you were married, you had children?
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, I was married and I had two children, the
girl was seven years old and the boy was four.
Paola Harris: Did everything happen all of a sudden?
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes. I had had some experiences like many
people. I had seen strange lights in the sky but that night, the
night of the abduction, it fell upon me all of a sudden. I did
not expect anything like that and from that moment, everything
has changed for me.
Paola Harris: I noticed you used the word "abduction". Do you
call it an abduction or a contact?
Maurizio Cavallo: I call it
Paola Harris: Because it happened against your will?
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, I did not want it, they obliged me. I was
at home. The whole story is in my book, all the dramatic moments
I had to live. I was at home and I felt... I started to feel
physically sick, feverish and suddenly I heard an internal and
imperious voice ordering me to go out, to go back to the hills
of Monferrato where we had been the night before for a walk with
some friends of mine. After dinner in a Pizzeria we had gone for
a walk on those hills for ten miles, more or less, from
We had left our cars and we had started to walk when
we saw a globe of light, red like a fire, which descended behind
some trees giving us the impression it was landing. We were all
very excited and went in that direction to see what was
happening. It was deep night and the ground was rocky and
difficult so we gave up and went back home. As soon as I came
home I started to feel sick. I felt warm, I felt cold, I felt
feverish. At first I thought it was caused by poor digestion. I
thought I had eaten something that had made me sick. I could not
sleep and I started to hear that voice compelling me, and
ordering me to take my car again and to go back to the hills.
that moment I started a titanic fight, an incredible fight. I
tried to wake up my wife to tell her I was sick and I had to go
out, but my wife went on sleeping as if she was under the effect
of some drug. In my book I talk in detail of a particularly
strange experience... It was like my house was entrapped in
something... I don't know how to define it, it was also like
being frozen. I don't know if that is the correct word.. I went
to the bathroom to have a glass of water, the glass slipped from
my hand and fell on the ground but it fell in slow motion, very,
Paola Harris: Time had stopped?
Maurizio Cavallo: It was a Saturday night and the street was
full of the noise of a holiday night, but in my house everything
was silent. When the glass broke in pieces on the ground I heard
no noise. Everything was crystallized. It was like time had
slowed down. It is obvious it was an abduction because I did not
want to go. The more I resisted that order, the more the pain in
my head increased. I noticed that when I began to take the car
and to go to the hills my pain lowered, but when, on the
contrary, I thought I wanted to stay home, my pain increased,
stronger than before. It was a form of constraint, this is the
reason why I say it was an abduction. If they had asked me to go
with them I had answered no.
Paola Harris: At that time it looked [like] a bad experience.
And what now, in 2007?
Maurizio Cavallo: Today not. Also in my book I say that those
who were my controllers, I call them abductors, those who
imprisoned me, were the same ones who gave me my new freedom.
Paola Harris: They showed you a new truth.
Maurizio Cavallo: They showed me that Cosmos is not what we
believe, that life is not what we live, that everything we call
reality is a pure illusion. They opened for me a window on
Cosmos, they brought me to the edge of madness and they
destroyed the Maurizio of the past. The old Maurizio existed no
more, they had skinned him, lapidated him but they had permitted
to new Maurizio to look beyond the borders of what we call
reality. They gave me an immense gift, They gave me freedom.
Paola Harris: But you had to pay a high prize...
Maurizio Cavallo: A very high prize. See, when I understand that
these people come to me waiting for something, treating me like
a guru, I always say that I have no truth to give them. I only
have my own truth and it belongs to me completely. I feel upset
when I realize that this truth, so strong in my mind, can be
manipulated ... Not everyone can understand.
Paola Harris: Of course, we are on planet Earth. We are human
beings, a peculiar race. We are growing up but you are trying to
bring us from elementary school straight to secondary school but
we cannot jump that way It is a slow process. It happened to
you, they made you able...
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, but perhaps I had been trained for it
Paola Harris: That's exactly what I wanted to ask you.
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, because I realized that nothing happens
by chance, my mother had been abducted too.
Paola Harris: How did you know it?
Maurizio Cavallo: They showed me some images, something like
recorded images. They showed me images in a sort of monolith, in
a ruby-red pyramid used like a screen. I saw images of a girl
walking in a graveyard, at first sight I could not recognize her
and they told me: "It's obvious you can't recognize her, she is
your mother when she was a girl; she knew the secrets of the
stars too." This means that they have programmed us.
Paola Harris: Did your mother talk to you about it? Did she ever
ask you something?
Maurizio Cavallo: My mother died when I was thirteen. I had a
special relationship with her, very intense. We had no need to
talk. She looked at me and I understood, I looked at her and she
understood. I cannot remember any dialogue with my mother but we
had a complete relationship. When she died I missed her very
much and my pain was bearable. I could not feel the intense
pain you feel in you mind and your body when you lose somebody,
I was quiet because I knew nine months before she had to die.
Paola Harris: How did she die?
Maurizio Cavallo: She had had low blood pressure but the doctor
had misunderstood her symptoms for high blood pressure symptoms
and had prescribed some medicine to lower her blood pressure
more. She had taken them faithfully and her heart gave out so
she had to be hospitalized and her condition worsened quickly.
When she entered the hospital, nine months before her death, I
knew she was going to die. I was sure of it and I was waiting
for that moment quietly. I was sure that, in any case, nothing
could have parted her from me. At that time I was thirteen and I
believed in God, the Catholic God and, of course I prayed for my
mother. I prayed to God to let her live and to heal her. When my
mother died I became very angry with God because I had
previously believed that God listened to all our prays. From
that moment I said: "You don't exist, you don't exist because
you didn't listen to me."
As time passed and thanks to the experience I had in 1981 I
started to think in a different way. I understood that a Divine
Mind exists but it is completely different from the image we are
used to. A Divine Mind exists but not all our prayers can be
heard because there are programs and our life and death are only
some roots of these programs. With my mother I have always had a
perfect relationship. That night they showed me my mother when
she was a girl.
Paola Harris: Did they ever show
your mother alive?
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, I met her.
Paola Harris: I know they brought you to Clarion. Did you meet
her on the Earth or on Clarion?
Maurizio Cavallo: I saw her at home. One night they told me I
would be having a pleasant visit. At first I thought I was
dreaming because I was in my bed and I was sleeping but after I
realized I was awake. I saw my mother not with the appearance
that I remembered. She was physically different. I knew she was
my mother but she did not look like her.
Paola Harris: How did she look?
Maurizio Cavallo: She looked much younger. We did not talk to
each other but she made a gesture that was her typical gesture,
a wave of her hand that my mother used only with me. She smiled
at me and that's all.
Paola Harris: Was it like a dream?
Maurizio Cavallo: No, at first time I thought I was dreaming
because I was in my bed, but after I realized I was not because
I left the bed to go towards her but she moved her hand to stop
me, she smiled at me and made that gesture so typical. When we
were babies and went to bed she made that gesture to say good
night. In that moment I felt I had to go back to bed and I had
to sleep again. I am sure it was not a dream.
Paola Harris: Inhabitants of Clarion are made of flesh and
blood? Did you ever meet them in the streets?
Maurizio Cavallo: I have met them at the supermarket.
Paola Harris: Were they doing the shopping?
Maurizio Cavallo: No, we had a meeting there ... People don't
have to believe in what I say, they only have to think about
what I am relating and ask themselves if there could be
something true in it. If their conscience gives them the feeling
that all this could be real, they could start to interrogate
themselves till the big question: "ARE WE ALONE?" My photographs
are not proof also because I do no spread them. I have photos of
UFO, of aliens. This is a photo of Suell (on right), I talk
about him in my book.
Paola Harris: He could well walk among us!
Maurizio Cavallo: He walks among us. I met him in a big city I
cannot mention. He gave me a little black card emitting some
impulses that told me to do or not to do certain things. At a
certain moment I felt I had to take a train to go to a town
where I had to meet some of them. While I was traveling I asked
myself: "But why do I have to take a train while, in other
occasions, they just abducted me?" Perhaps it was a trial,
something I could not understand. When I arrived to that town I
plainly met the same person I had already met on a magnetic
ship, a UFO.
Paola Harris: Which was the place of the appointment?
Maurizio Cavallo: I knew I had to go to a bar and wait for them.
Hours did pass. Time was passing by, nobody was arriving and I
begun to be anxious. I begun to think I had invented all that
thing...after a long, long time, Suell arrived, happy as a
child, asking me: "Hello, were you waiting for a long time?"
Everything is in my book.
Paola Harris: Is he normal? Did he speak in a normal way?
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, he has a house and works on Earth.
Paola Harris: How can you recognize them?
Maurizio Cavallo: You “can” recognize them.
Paola Harris: You can recognize them!
Maurizio Cavallo: He asked me if I had noticed something strange
in the girl working at the supermarket cashier's desk. I had
noticed nothing unusual but soon I thought a little and said:
Yes, she had something strange! A strange earring looking like
a world into another world. When I had seen her she had not
caught my attention; but, after they asked me, I remembered her.
Some of them work and live here on Earth.
Paola Harris: Why?
Maurizio Cavallo: Because they must help us a little in our
evolution, they don't have to condition us, they only must have
Paola Harris: Do they have a completely alien DNA or half alien
and half human?
Maurizio Cavallo: Some of them are totally alien and came here
when they were already adults. They apparently are thirty or
forty years old. They just arrive so they don't have problems to
get documents ... and their DNA is completely alien, if we want
to define them. Then we have those who are born here; they have
an alien DNA but take a human body with a human DNA, so we can
call these ones hybrids.
Paola Harris: Do you think that the Government knows about it?
Maurizio Cavallo: Not all the men in the Government, only a few.
Paola Harris: The women look like movie stars.
Maurizio Cavallo: They are gorgeous. You must note one thing.
These are Polaroid photos made without developing process and
there is always an abnormal light absorption because they absorb
atomic light. During one of my last contacts, in a base under
the sea near Genova ... (Cavallo shows a photograph, N.d.R.) ...
This is a photo where you can see those who in the Bible were
called "Cherubs", they are astral beings.
Paola Harris: You are incredible! You succeed in making these
Maurizio Cavallo: Not at all ... Look at this photo, you need
much light ... there is a spaceship and you can see some
figures. One of these figures is a Grey, one of the tall ones,
at least they call them so. This is another Grey but of hybrid
race, half human and half alien.
Paola Harris: Where did you take this photo?
Maurizio Cavallo: In the base.
Paola Harris: How did they bring you?
Maurizio Cavallo: Physically, last year.
Paola Harris: How did it happen?
Maurizio Cavallo: By now there is a symbiosis. I start feeling
very nervous and troubled, I am very anxious and let my
intuition to drive me. When these feelings are very strong I go
to certain places. When I arrive in one of these places I meet a
physical being part of the alien world who drives me to the
Paola Harris: How did they bring you to that base?
Maurizio Cavallo: In a very normal boat. We left the
went to a certain point in the sea and then the water around
started to whirl. I was scared, of course, because it looked
like a hurricane, then we and our boat started to go down. While
I was going down, all around me I could see a crystal wall,
water was liquid no more, it was solid. Water walls were solid
like a tunnel and we went down till a point where those walls
opened like rays. We were in the middle of a wheel whose rays
were the corridors of the base they have under the sea.
Paola Harris: Which is their race?
Maurizio Cavallo: They are Clarions working together with
Paola Harris: I can imagine that you are not a tourist for them,
they have an agenda . They want you to disclose in a soft way
such a complex scenario and to disclose this unbelievable
Maurizio Cavallo: Very probable, but perhaps the primary fact is
they are instructing me. This is what I think, but I can also be
wrong. They are instructing me so everything I see, everything I
live and everything that will bring in a soft way this reality
to other people, is mainly directed to my self. You see, Paola,
we think we can choose and it's terrible when we understand that
all we have done was not our choice.
If I could go back to my
past I could not have lived in a different way. I have always
had different hobbies. I did not like sports like football, I
liked to go fishing, I liked my work and my family. I've always
believed, since my childhood, that the other worlds were
inhabited. I have always believed that there are other
intelligences on other planets ... anyway I led a normal life
until I was hurled into this unbelievable new reality.... By the
way, they walk in a strange way, they glide ... It's an
Paola Harris: Do they walk in this strange way also on the road?
Maurizio Cavallo: No, on the road they look like normal people.
But you can recognize them from some signs: they are very kind,
they radiate a healing energy also when they are not speaking.
When they talk their voice may sound a little metallic and low.
Sometimes it happens because there is a sort of simultaneous
interface from their language to ours, but perhaps their vocal
chords give this lower tone to their voices. They have big ears
and strange, penetrating eyes, very penetrating. But more than
all you can feel this energy, this kindness, their energy. They
emanate an energy so strong you can feel uneasy.
Paola Harris: In my second book I
wrote a lot on how we must act not to be scared from alien
races, first of all we must accept all the differences existing
between races here on Earth. You have been very lucky. This
happened to you in 1981. Now, let's try to understand, has this
been only a contact or have you got some prophecy about our
future? Can we give a hope to people?
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, the only hope is that our conscience,
human conscience must reach another level, a higher level.
We don't have much time.
Maurizio Cavallo: We have no more time and so our duty is
enormous. We must achieve a dynamic change. It is more a dynamic
change than that simply of consciousness. And there is time to
change our dynamism because they are two different things.
Consciousness needs a very long time of assimilation. Everything
that happened to me belongs to a program which started a long,
long time ago. When they showed me images of a girl I could not
recognize because I was not yet born and I recognized she was my
mother, they said she too had been touched from the Lords of the
stars, and I started to understand that everything was part of a
Many of us on this planet are
unconscious parts of this program, also people who say they
never saw anything. We only see a mechanical reality but I can
see a magical reality. I don't use the word "magic" in a
negative sense because our universe is, in effect, a magical
creation and all the dimensions and the same creation that we
think have physical parameters, don't have any.
illusion and is only the crystallization of our thought. We only
see what we learned to believe is reality. When the humankind
will be able to look through this other window and will look at
reality with new eyes, perceiving the real universe we live in,
we will go insane or we will evolve. There are no alternatives.
Paola Harris: Perhaps the two things together...
Maurizio Cavallo: I have passed the two of them. I don't
think I'm a superior man but I have seen things that nobody else
has seen. These things taught me to be more humble and every
time I think about what happened to me and what could still
happen I feel so little and I ask myself: "Why me?"