May 2005

from Karmapolis Website

 

The Tall Whites, an extraterrestrial race coming from an unknown planet is a really recent phenomenon in the sense that Paola Harris and later, Michael Salla, discovered the existence of a retired airman, Charles Hall who lived with those alien on Nellis range, Nevada in 1967.

 

This race could be as important for the human destiny as the Short Greys popularized by the abduction literature except that they don't abduct humans according to Charles. Hall decided to reveal all his story in a semi fictitious trilogy - "Millenial Hospitality" - and the less we can say is that this story is really an amazing one, another way to describe the extraterrestrial phenomenon an specially the notorious Area 51.

 

If we believe what Charlie tells us, we must admit that Nellis Range is no longer the domain of the infamous Short Greys. It doesn't mean that those little Greys doesn't exist and Charlie believes that maybe, the exclusive place for the Grey is in New Mexico, maybe Dulce. But it is still an hypothesis.

 

To give an external point of view about Charles Hall and the Tall Whites, we interviewed also "Sweeps den Fox" an American and Irish radio host and webmaster who's a long time and pertinent observer of the extraterrestrial subject and the conspiracy theories.
 

Karma One : In the abduction literature, did you ever see a story from a victim of abduction that typically fit with the behavior and the physical description of the Tall Whites? Do you remember precisely the case? Or the Tall Whites don't generally abduct people?

Charles Hall : No. I never saw the tall Whites abduct people in the malicious manner that the typical abduction case describes. However, as I describe in my books, while I was out on the ranges, if the Tall Whites believed that a human was in trouble or in need of help, they would come in close to offer help if they could. The terrified and confused human could easily confuse this with an attempted abduction.

 

For example in "Millennial Hospitality" in the chapter entitled "Olympic Tryouts" and in "Millennial Hospitality II - The World We Knew" in the chapter entitled "Olympic Dreams", I describe my personal experiences in those areas. Also, sometimes other activities might look to humans like abductions when they weren't. For example, in "Millennial Hospitality" in the chapter entitled "In Memory of Me", The alien Teacher would bring her little girl to play with the human little girl.

 

Neither the human little girl nor her mothers were actually abducted. I have seen in the literature several cases of that type. Another case of great personal interest is the case entitled "Incident at Happy Camp" which was researched by one of the famous UFO researchers. In that case, the description of the aliens and their craft definitely matches The Tall Whites. In that case, they only abducted the humans after the humans attacked the children.

My personal Observations are: I never saw anything that would lead me to believe that the Tall White aliens are supernatural, seeded our planet, want to create hybrids, that there are wormholes in space, or that the Tall Whites travelled backward or forward in time.

I did observe craft which regularly and routinely travelled faster than the speed of light.
 


Karma One : In some stories about Alien Races, one could find descriptions of some kind of Nordic Tall blond, blue eyed individuals. Do you think that we can correlate the Tall White phenomena with the so called Nordic alien Type?

Charles Hall : I have no idea. I can only speak from my personal experiences with the Tall Whites and with the aliens that I describe in "Millennial Hospitality III - The Road Home" whom I call "The Norwegians with 24 teeth".

There is no correlation that I can see between the Tall Whites and the so called Nordic alien type.
 


Karma One : Do you have information about the first interaction between the Air Force and the Tall Whites when the Air Force arrived in Nevada to build the Nellis installation? You seem to say that the Tall Whites were not newcomers and that they were in fact installed there for quite a long time before the US army? .

Charles Hall : I do not have any personal information regarding the first interactions between the US Government and the Tall White aliens. However, as I describe in "Millennial Hospitality III - The Road Home", The Tall White lady who called herself "The Teacher" stated that Pamela had been born in Indian Springs Valley during the time when James Madison was the U.S. President. That was back around the years 1812. The construction of the main Tall White hanger was consistent with the late 1940's or early 1950's.

 

I note that The U.S. President Harry Truman stated that he believed he had met the ghost of Abraham Lincoln in the White House one night back when he was president during the late 1940's. However, it is my observation that his description of the "ghost" matched completely with any number of Tall White guards that I personally saw out on the Indian Springs Ranges at night. For that reason, I would guess that the first formal interactions between the Tall Whites and the U.S. Government took place during the 1940's or very early 1950's.

 

I note that the legends of the ancient Greeks, dating back to before 972 B.C., refer to a group of Tall White "gods" who were said to have come to earth from the star Arcturus. For that reason, the ancient Greeks named the star Arcturus "The Watcher" star. For that reason, it is very probable that the Tall Whites have been coming here to earth for at least three thousand years.
 


Karma One : In the public imaginary, Nellis Air Force Base is related to Area 51. The location is supposed to be a base for what people named the Short Greys. Those EBE are supposed to live in deep underground bases and have tumultuous relations with the Air Force.

 

So, have you ever heard about the existence of other alien races on Nellis? If yes, what were the relation between Tall Whites and Short Greys? Did the Tall Whites ever talk to you about other alien races? How did they consider them? Did the Tall Whites warn us about the possible dangers posed by other alien races?

Charles Hall : It is my understanding that the only aliens out on the Nellis Ranges are The Tall Whites. However, I am quite certain that the Tall Whites and the Short Greys hate each other. I am quite certain that The Tall Whites would never permit the Short Greys to come anywhere near their base areas or near to their housing areas or anywhere that their children might be playing, etc.

 

For that reason, I, myself, do not believe that there are any Short Greys out at Area 51 or out in Area 52, or out on the Nellis Ranges . During the two plus years that I was out on the Ranges, I never personally saw any evidence that the Short Greys were anywhere out on those ranges or out at Area 51.

As regards your question relating to other alien races, I quote from "Millennial Hospitality II - The World We Knew" in the chapter entitled "Landing Lights"

"Are there many planets like the Earth out in space?" I asked.

"Yes," she (The Teacher) responded. "There are quiet a few. However, humans are the only people that we have seen who live so closely with their animals. For example, you feel comfortable milking cows, riding horses, and playing with dogs. Every one of those animals could kill you, but you naturally use your intelligence to determine how each of those animals is thinking. Then you naturally take control of them. Only humans do that. On most planets, once people become intelligent, they don't want to have anything to do with the animals that are much less intelligent then they are, so they kill them off.

"Also, humans will eat almost anything. On all of the other planets, the intelligent people will only eat plants. We, for example, only eat plants."

On that evening, The Teacher went on to say that I needed to be careful when I was alone out on the ranges because there were " many dangers."

 

On that evening, she did not further elaborate.
 


Karma One : If the Tall Whites are the only alien creatures who lived in Nellis and Area 51 Papoose dry lake, do you think that all the stories about short Greys and other aliens groups are disinformation and a smoke screen?

Charles Hall : The Tall Whites do not live at Area 51 (Groom Lake) or at Area 52 (Papoose lake). They live underground in the mountains in Area 53. Their main base is in the mountain immediately to the east of Area 53, which is Area 54. Area 53 and Area 54 and the western parts of the Desert Southwest Game Range are known as DreamLand.

 

It is an area that is so restricted, I used to have an official USGS map of the area that did not show any of the mountains or valleys out there. Instead, it only showed a large white area labeled "Unexplored Territory". The Tall Whites are the only alien creatures that I have ever personally seen out in the deserts and valleys and mountains north of Indian Springs, Nevada. However, I am certain that the "Little Greys" are real and are here on earth.

I do not personally believe that the "Little Greys" are or ever were at Area 51 itself. My belief is that the "Little Greys" would most likely be found somewhere else, such as in the northern and western portion of the state of New Mexico. For example, based on various items of information that I have personally come across over the years, I am quite certain that the Roswell incident of 1947 was real and that it was a "Little Grey" craft that crashed. I have never personally actually seen a little Grey, and I never want to.

 

As I describe in "Millennial Hospitality III - The Road Home", I have also personally met and talked with a second type of alien, the ones that I call the Norwegians with 24 teeth. I am certain the earth is being visited by several different types of aliens. However, I am also quite certain that the US Government also periodically issues disinformation and false information as part of a campaign to create "Smoke Screens". I believe that a substantial portion of the information relating to Area 51 is US Government disinformation and "Smoke Screens". For example, the facilities at Area 51 are in a fenced rectangular area that is only 6 miles by 10 miles.

 

That is nowhere near large enough for an alien base. It is also way too small to safely operate any alien anti-gravity craft. The various fields that surrounded the small Tall White scout craft emanated out at least one and a quarter miles. Fields of that same type emanated out from the Deep Space craft for many times that distance. Neither the Alien Generals nor the USAF Generals would ever agree to bring craft with that kind of power in close to the facilities at Area 51.
 


Karma One : The Tall Whites look very ambiguous emotionally speaking. They are able to kill somebody in a snap, they are arrogant and in the other way, they can show love and compassion toward others, like their children. How did you perceive their emotionality? A lack of it or another way to express it, very different than ours?

Charles Hall : My observations are as follows: Each one of the Tall Whites was an individual. Each one was different from every other Tall White, just as each human is different from every other human. Each one's emotional reactions were different from the others. In order for a human to survive being around them, it was necessary to recognize and understand how different and individual each one of them was.
 


Karma One : When we read your account, you show that you feel a deep feeling of amazement and fear toward the Tall Whites? They look humanoid but they don't look like we do. Can you describe what were the first kind of emotions (in the amazement range feelings) when you saw them for the first time. What precisely attract your attention? The glowing light? The size?

Charles Hall : For those who have not read my first book, and to answer your question, it is important to remember that I simply had no point of reference for the experience of meeting creatures not of this planet. I had no briefing. It was night. It was pitch dark. It was in the large empty barracks on the Indian Springs base where I had my bunk. I was completely alone in the barracks.

 

The reality is much different than one might suppose. I lived with them for two years and even toward the end of that time, the experience was never relaxing. For those old enough to remember what innocent times the early to mid-sixties were, I think they might have less difficulty understanding how unprecedented my introduction was.
 


Karma One : Have you been the victim of threats, pressures or manipulations coming from the Air Force (your ex-employers) or the US government in general?

Charles Hall : No. Remember, as I describe in "Millennial Hospitality" in the chapter entitled "The Happy Charade" the decision to send me, and no one else, out to the ranges, was made by a committee of individuals that included the Tall Whites as well as high ranking USAF Generals and other high ranking members of the U.S. Government. The Tall Whites are very meticulous about keeping their agreements and expect the U.S. Government to be equally meticulous about keeping its agreements as well.

 

If I were victimized or threatened by anyone, The Tall Whites would interpret that to mean that the U.S. Government could not be trusted to keep its agreements. The consequences would be enormous. Remember also that I was a weather observer. I was an enlisted man. I was never shown any classified documents. I was never given any classified briefings. I was never a part of any classified program such as building secret aircraft. I never took any photographs. I did not bring any government property, anything material, any diary, or log book with me when I came off the ranges.

I came off the ranges with only my memories.
 


Karma One : What were the reactions of your friends, relatives and colleagues when you revealed them your story? And what were the reactions of the other UFO specialists? Have you been surprised by the kind of reaction?

Charles Hall : I told my wife about the extraterrestrials in early 1970, when we had been married about three months. She was not terribly interested in whether aliens existed or not.

 

She merely said,

"All I know, is that if I ever met one, I hope I would behave in a manner that was a credit to humans."

My wife's response after reading the manuscript, gave birth to the title, "Millennial Hospitality".

I have told my story over the years, to friends, my children, and colleagues. It is difficult to characterize their reactions since people often do not express their true feelings, in order to spare your own, for the sake of your relationship with them.

Since publishing the books, I would say that the reactions of UFO specialists have been generally cordial. One enthusiastic supporter is Gerry Zeitlin at openseti.org. My account was investigated by Paola Harris and David Coote. You may read their statements by visiting both my web site and by visiting Paola's web site at paolharris.it.
 


Karma One : Have you been able to cross your story with the testimonies of other witnesses who also worked at Nellis or in the area or in another region of the world where the Tall Whites could be installed?

Charles Hall : As you can see in my books, many other airmen who served with me at Indian Springs witnessed the tall Whites out in the desert. In addition, in the years that have passed since then, I have personally met a number of other individuals who have seen the tall Whites.
 


Karma One : The craft that you described doesn't fit with the descriptions of the flying saucers type or the Delta Black Triangle type. Did you see also this kind of aircraft? Do you know if the classical saucer type and the triangle Type could be a kind of craft that one could find in the Tall White Arsenal?

Charles Hall : Over the years, I have personally seen the black triangular craft. They typically made a lot of noise. I use my own personal rule of the thumb that any craft that makes a noise when it flies was built by the USAF. The Tall White craft use an anti-gravity propulsion system. It is perfectly silent. It doesn't leave anything behind, even sound. I note that the craft that crashed at Roswell in 1947 was disc shaped and apparently could also move in perfect silence.

 

However, the helicopter designed by Werner Von Braun about 1938 was also disc shaped. Von Braun's design had four propellers inside of a large porous disc shaped envelope constructed out of light weight materials. In principle, it could have reached supersonic speeds without creating shock waves. The purpose of the disc shaped envelope was to control the airflow around the disc shaped craft as it moved, thereby, propelling the craft forward, backward, side to side, up and down.

 

An observer would not have been able to tell the difference between a craft of the Roswell design and a craft designed by Werner Von Braun by only considering its shape.
 


Karma One : As far as you know, the organization of their society could be compared to what kind of structure? A militaristic society, centralized? A kind of democracy? Or a society oriented on science and trade?

Charles Hall : It was my personal observation that their society has an organization very similar to our own American society or to the societies in western Europe.
 


Karma One : Do the Tall White have some kind of religion or metaphysical conception of the universe?

Charles Hall : I have no idea. They never discussed religion or philosophy with me. However, as I describe in "Millennial Hospitality" in the chapter entitled "Rite of Passage", and in "Millennial Hospitality II - The World We Knew" in the chapter entitled "Olympic Dreams" when The teacher was talking with the other Tall White aliens, she told them that I believed in God and they all understood what she meant. A significant number of events of that type convinced me that they do have a religion and are naturally religious.
 


Karma One : Did the Teacher ever tell you if other human beings like us exist in other region of the universe or are we quite unique?

Charles Hall : Yes. As I stated in my answer to question #4, I quote from "Millennial Hospitality II - The World We Knew" in the chapter entitled "Landing Lights"

"Are there many planets like the Earth out in space?" I asked.

"Yes," she ( The Teacher ) responded. "There are quiet a few. However, humans are the only people that we have seen who live so closely with their animals. For example, you feel comfortable milking cows, riding horses, and playing with dogs. Every one of those animals could kill you, but you naturally use your intelligence to determine how each of those animals is thinking. Then you naturally take control of them. Only humans do that. On most planets, once people become intelligent, they don't want to have anything to do with the animals that are much less intelligent then they are, so they kill them off.

"Also, humans will eat almost anything. On all of the other planets, the intelligent people will only eat plants. We, for example, only eat plants."


Karma One : You say that "they fear our intuitive ability and extra sensory perceptions". Can you explain that point? Are we so intuitive toward them?

Charles Hall : I think what I actually said was that the Tall Whites are envious of our ability to mentally multi-task. They themselves seem to concentrate on only one thing at a time. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else. The Tall Whites are physically more fragile than we are and therefore are afraid of us, just as we humans are naturally afraid of gorillas in the jungle. That fear has nothing to do with intuitive abilities or extrasensory perception.

 

They are also afraid because we are completely at home here on the planet earth. We, as humans, are naturally built to survive here on the earth. We understand the animals and feel comfortable handling them. We fight with each other and then laugh it off and become friends. Our bodies can take tremendous physical damage and heal quickly. We handle bee stings, minor dog bites, being kicked by a mule, falling off logs, etc. We enjoy watching, playing, and laughing at brutal contact sports such as football and ice hockey. They can't do any of those things.

 

They consider the earth to be a " cold and desolate wilderness."

 

We kill each other every time we have a war. The Tall Whites view humans as rather rough and tumble creatures, who happen to have discovered how to make nuclear weapons. It is little wonder then, that they are naturally afraid of us.
 


Karma One : The Tall Whites seem to have telepathic abilities and they seem to like Mind control. They can read our Mind? At long distance or at close range? Is it a natural ability or they need some technological tool to perform that?

Charles Hall : As I describe in my books of the Millennial Hospitality series, The Tall Whites can only read a human's mind if they are using their technology. In particular, they had to be wearing one of their electronic communication devices. The longest distance that I ever personally saw it operate at was one and a quarter miles. It frequently happened, especially during the daytime, that many of the Tall Whites would come to where I was and they would not be wearing their electronic devices.

 

On those occasions, if none of them had learned to speak English, the only way to communicate with them was using hand signals pointing, gesturing, etc. If they chose to electronically hypnotize a human, they had to use one of their microwave based electronic devices. In that case, the human was simply hypnotized, exactly the same as if, say, he had been hypnotized by a magician during a stage show. I note that The Tall Whites have hearing at least as good as that of a dog.

 

Like a dog, or a rhinoceros, they appear able to hear sounds whose frequencies are too high for a human to hear. I believe that, like a Rhinoceros, their vocal cords can also make sounds that are too high for a human to hear. This means that when several of them came around to where I was, they could talk between themselves using sounds that I could not hear. On those occasions, if a human didn't realize what was happening, it would seem as if they were practicing telepathic communication between themselves.
 


Karma One : Do you know what kind of technology the Tall Whites exchanged with the Air Force: Aircraft, weapon, mind control related technology?

Charles Hall : The Tall Whites were only willing to exchange technology with the US Military if it was to their advantage to do so. I am certain that technology relating to the building of better radios and electronics in general was one area where the Tall Whites and the US Military exchanged technology. Creating better quality building and construction materials that could be used to repair their Deep Space Craft was another.

 

The Tall Whites naturally benefited if we humans were capable of building, and constructing trade items. They were willing to exchange information relating to medicine, food, clothing, electronics, nuclear reactors, scientific details relating to our solar system and nearby solar systems, creating better metals, ceramics, and plastics.

 

However, the Tall Whites had no desire to exchange technological secrets relating to anti-gravity drive, travelling faster than the speed of light, or to various forms of advanced weaponry. They greatly preferred to form joint teams with the US Military where the Tall Whites provided and operated the Deep Space craft, handled all of the building & repair of the anti-gravity drives, the propulsion system, and the advanced weaponry.
 


Karma One : Was the central US Government, the CIA etc aware of the existence of the Tall Whites and the existence of a mutual agreement? Or is it just a private agreement, some kind of skunk work between the Air Force and the Tall Whites?

Charles Hall : I am quite certain that the Tall Whites have several agreements with the Highest levels in the U.S. Government, including with the US President, the US Congress, the US Air Force, the US Military, and with the CIA.

 

I am quite certain that the Tall White leaders have met with the highest leaders in the US Government, the US military, and the CIA including The US President, several of the highest ranking Senators and Congressional leaders, the highest ranking USAF Generals, and the highest levels of the CIA .

 

I am quite certain that all of those leaders were well aware that they were meeting with the Tall White Extra-Terrestrials.
 


Karma One : Do you ever regret having lived this kind of event despite the fact that it was such a trauma?

Charles Hall : No. I have never regretted having lived these events. If given the choice, I would without hesitation relive them again, painful as they were. I have always been very proud of the service that I rendered my country.

 

If given the choice, I would gladly do so again, even if it meant reliving both the bad times as well as the good.