My sincerest thanks to the enthusiastic, insightful editorial
support of Michel and Brenda.
Thank you very much to all of the
diligent and unselfish work of the owners, staff and tireless
contributors and editors of Wikipedia.org upon which the material in
this book relies heavily for efficacious documentary support of many
of the footnoted items sited in the text of the transcripts and
comments from Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy.
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As far as the Editor of the book, "Alien Interview" is concerned,
and for all practical purposes, the content of the book is a work of
fiction. The Editor makes no claim to the factuality of the content,
and in fact, cannot prove that the alleged author actually ever
Although some of the dates, locations, persons and
incidents described may be factual or based on fact, there is no
evidence to authenticate that equally as many may be subjective
contrivances of the author.
All of the information, notes and transcripts received by the Editor
are contained in their complete, original form, as represented in
the book. The Editor is no longer in possession of any original
documents or copies of original documents from the author, i.e. Mrs.
Some material contained in the book may have similarities to Earth
philosophies as the variety of these are too numerous to list, and
bear too many fundamental similarities to be easily differentiated.
Although the book discusses the origins of the universe, the time
track of the physical universe, paranormal activities of immortal
and/or extraterrestrial beings, "aliens" or "gods", it is in no way
the intention of the Editor to represent, endorse, forward or assume
the viewpoint of the author, any political doctrine, economic vested
interest, scientific hypothesis, religious practice or philosophy,
whether terrestrial or extraterrestrial.
The notes and transcripts contained in the book, are solely and only
the based on the representations and documents provided by the
author, the late Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy, unless otherwise
specifically annotated by Footnotes in The Appendix of the book.
The Editor is not responsible for any assumptions, inferences or
conclusions made by the reader based on the material is this book,
which are solely and only the responsibility of the reader.
What is true for you, is true for you.
Lawrence R. Spencer
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"We ask, as Fools who know not Our Own Spirit: Where are the hidden
traces left by The Gods?"
- Rig Veda -book i, stanza 164, lines 5 a & b
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What greater brutality can be inflicted on anyone than to erase or
deny the spiritual awareness, identity, ability, and memory that is
the essence of oneself?
- Lawrence R. Spencer -2008
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This book is dedicated to all Immortal Spiritual Beings, whether
they are aware of themselves as such, or not. It is especially
dedicated to the wisdom, courage and integrity of those Greater
Beings, who in various incarnations at various times during the
past, in the present and into the future, enkindle and carry the
Flame of Truth into the darkest corners of the universe.
This dedication is not only to the philosophical teachings and
technologies developed by these beings, but to the demonstrated and
documented courage to apply their philosophy in the face of
overwhelming ignorance, overt hostility and aggressive suppression
by lesser beings and by the self-serving vested interests of
inter-galactic and planetary political, economic, and religious
Though relatively few in number, the profound wisdom and heroic
dedication of such beings, and those who share their quest, have
been the only effective deterrent to spiritual slavery. Freedom,
Communication, Creativity ,Trust and Truth for all Immortal
Spiritual Beings in this universe is their legacy. The Good Examples
set by them is our sanctuary and sustenance.
application of their teachings is our weapon against the dwindling
spiral of chaos and oblivion that is the material universe.
Lawrence R. Spencer
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Guidelines Used In This Book
I have tried not to edit the material I received from Mrs. MacElroy
except to the degree necessary to make a logical sequence of the
material she mailed to me. Wherever possible I have quoted or
transcribed her original written notes verbatim.
In some instances I have taken editorial liberty to add other
information, or supplementary commentary which I feel will add
useful definitions, or clarification to the information given in the
official transcripts, or to her remarks or observations. These
appear as a numbered "(Footnote)" in the Appendix at the end of the
book. All footnote references, where possible, are copied verbatim
from the free internet encyclopedia website www.wikipedia.org.
information was not available through Wikipedia.org, I used the
popular internet search engine www.google.com to find a website
reference that seemed most appropriate to the subject matter.
Mrs. MacElroy did not make a notation of dates in the most of the
documents, so I am not certain that the sequence of material matches
the actual sequence of events, or sequence of the interviews, except
as noted on the official transcripts themselves.
Since it has been 60 years since the date of the interviews, and
considering the age of Mrs. MacElroy before her death, I reasoned
that she did not necessarily have an acute recollection of exact
names, dates and times, except as recorded in the transcripts of
July 8th through August 12th, 1947.
The material in this book is organized into three different types.
The following notations will be used to designate where these appear
in this book:
1) (MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTES)
(TYPE FONT: Times Roman, 12 point)
2) (OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW)
(Courier New, 12 point)
3) 1 (Footnote)
(TYPE FONT: Arial, 10 point, Bold)
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a survival or non-survival plan or agenda which has been
"clothed" to make it seem like something other than what it actually
any person, group or entity which prevents or controls communication
to serve their own purposes, (plans or agenda).
Reference: Page 37, The Oz Factors, by Lawrence R. Spencer.
an enigma or problem involving paradox or apparent
profound, inexplicable, or secretive quality or character
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- The Mystery of UFOs and Extraterrestrials
If you have studied UFO phenomena at all, you are already familiar
with the infamous Orson Welles radio broadcast of "War of the
Worlds, And The Invasion from Mars" 1 (Footnote)
on Oct. 30, 1938.
This fictitious radio dramatization of an invasion of Earth by
"aliens" incited a global UFO and extraterrestrial hysteria long
before the UFO crash near Roswell, N.M. in 1947.
During the past 60 years, since the alleged Roswell crash, there
have been tens of thousands of reported UFO sightings. A global
hysteria has emerged from "evidence" of what is presumed to be
extraterrestrial phenomenon. Concurrently, the unrelenting denial of
this phenomenon by the U.S. government has precipitated an
uninterrupted flurry of accusations, counter-accusations, cover-up
conspiracy theories, lunatic fringe speculations, "scientific
investigations", etc., etc., ad nauseam, and a growing multitude of
similar alleged "close encounters".
My first thought when I received the package of documents from Mrs.
"This is just another set of Majestic-12 documents".
I am referring to a "mysterious package" reportedly
received by mail in 1984 shortly after the death of the last
surviving member of the so-called "Majestic-12" committee, alleged
to have been organized by President Harry Truman shortly after the
Roswell incident in 1947.
There are several similarities to the "Majestic-12" documents and
the package I received from Mrs. MacElroy. In the case of the
former, an envelope was sent from an anonymous sender with no return
address. It contained an undeveloped roll of film. That's all.
the roll of film were photos of documents that were assumed to be
authentic by the recipient and his colleagues whose vested interest,
i.e. livelihood, depend heavily on attracting public notice and
credibility to themselves as "leading authorities" on the subject of
UFO phenomena. They have worked relentlessly since then to discover
"proof" that the documents are authentic. Of course, government
agencies deny everything alleged in the documents and anything
having to do with the subject of extraterrestrials in general.
In addition, the subject has become so thoroughly overwhelmed with
obvious false reports, discredited sources, hearsay, manufactured
falsehoods, misunderstandings, missing information, added
inapplicable information and a myriad of other conflicting
complexities which have made the subject laughable or unapproachable
as a science. This may be intentional, or simply a reflection of the
general chaos and barbarism that is Humanity.
As for government denials and cover-ups, the events of September 11,
2001, have made it abundantly apparent to me that the U.S.
government has destroyed any vestige of trust the American people
and the world may have harbored, even through the Vietnam war,
Watergate, and many similar betrayals, in the "honesty" of the
American government, military and intelligence community, by
blatantly lying to it's own people about almost anything and
In spite of vast numbers of "UFO sightings", innumerable reports of
"alien abductions", and "close encounters" with extraterrestrials
that pervade nearly all of prehistoric and recorded human history I
found only one underlying, unifying, undisputable, axiomatic common
denominator that permeates all of this data:
Assuming that subjective reality, or beliefs, of individuals is
acceptable evidence, there has been no universally agreed upon
"proof" that UFOs and / or extraterrestrial life forms exist whether
based on government admission , physical evidence, circumstantial or
There are several deductions I can infer from the lack of agreement,
government admission or physical evidence that such things are real
that, if verified, may lead to a workable solution to this mystery:
In spite of an enormous collection of subjective, circumstantial
and objective "evidence" of extraterrestrial activity on and
around Earth, the existence, intentions and the activities of
extraterrestrials remain hidden and mysterious.
Universally agreed upon proof of extraterrestrial life based on
subjective data, government admission, physical and
circumstantial evidence are subject to conflicting vested
interests, which has made such proof unattainable.
Collectively, these deductions beg the
obvious question: If extraterrestrials life forms exist, why is
there no consistent, forthright, open, interactive communication
between Mankind and Extraterrestrials?
Fortunately, subjective reality does not require evidence or
"proof". Therefore, I decided to write this book in order to pass
along a subjective communication I received from Mrs. MacElroy to
other people who may be interested in it.
Personally, I am not assuming that anything I received from Mrs.
MacElroy is in any way authentic, with the exception of the envelope
and the paper inside the envelope. I cannot substantiate any of it.
Indeed, I can't truly verify that there was ever such a person as
Mrs. MacElroy other than a voice I heard over the phone in 1998. The
voice could have been anyone.
Personally, I do not have a vested
interest in UFO research. Yes, I've written a few books about
immortal spiritual beings - because I'm interested in the subject.
But I haven't sold enough of those books to pay for the time it took
to write them. It is a hobby. I earn my living as a small business
It is not my intention to justify, explain, or remedy any disability
to perceive or understand the mysteries of extraterrestrial
existence, UFOs, governments agendas or spiritual abilities. Nor is
it intended to educate, persuade, or promote to anyone that any of
these phenomena exist. Furthermore, what I may or may not think
about any of this is irrelevant.
Moreover, I have burned all of the original documents, including the
envelope I received from Mrs. MacElroy. I do not want to spend the
rest of my life being hounded by UFO researchers, government agents,
grocery store tabloids reporters, UFO advocates and de-bunkers
alike, or anyone else. Any "proofs" or attempts to authenticate the
assertion that Mrs. MacElroy actually interviewed an alien in 1947
will have to be done by others.
Ripley says, "Believe It, or Not".
I say, "What's true for you, is true for you".
Lawrence R. Spencer
.1..."War of the Worlds, and The
Invasion from Mars"..."
"... the day before Halloween, on Oct. 30, 1938, when millions
of Americans tuned in to a popular radio program that featured
plays directed by, and often starring, Orson Welles. The
performance that evening was an adaptation of the science
fiction novel The War of the Worlds, about a Martian invasion of
the Earth. But in adapting the book for a radio play, Welles
made an important change: under his direction the play was
written and performed so it would sound like a news broadcast
about an invasion from Mars, a technique that, presumably, was
intended to heighten the dramatic effect.
As the play unfolded, dance music was interrupted a number of
times by fake news bulletins reporting that a "huge flaming
object" had dropped on a farm near Grovers Mill, New Jersey. As
members of the audience sat on the edge of their collective
seat, actors playing news announcers, officials and other roles
one would expect to hear in a news report, described the landing
of an invasion force from Mars and the destruction of the United
States. The broadcast also contained a number of explanations
that it was all a radio play, but if members of the audience
missed a brief explanation at the beginning, the next one didn't
arrive until 40 minutes into the program.
At one point in the broadcast, an actor in a studio, playing a
newscaster in the field, described the emergence of one of the
aliens from its spacecraft. "Good heavens, something's wriggling
out of the shadow like a gray snake," he said, in an
appropriately dramatic tone of voice. "Now it's another one, and
another. They look like tentacles to me. There, I can see the
thing's body. It's large as a bear and it glistens like wet
leather. But that face. It...it's indescribable. I can hardly
force myself to keep looking at it. The eyes are black and gleam
like a serpent. The mouth is V-shaped with saliva dripping from
its rimless lips that seem to quiver and pulsate....The thing is
raising up. The crowd falls back. They've seen enough. This is
the most extraordinary experience. I can't find words. I'm
pulling this microphone with me as I talk. I'll have to stop the
description until I've taken a new position. Hold on, will you
please, I'll be back in a minute."
As it listened to this simulation of a news broadcast the
audience concluded that it was hearing an actual news account of
an invasion from Mars. People packed the roads, hid in cellars,
loaded guns, even wrapped their heads in wet towels as
protection from Martian poison gas, in an attempt to defend
themselves against aliens, oblivious to the fact that they were
acting out the role of the panic-stricken public that actually
belonged in a radio play.
News of the panic (which was conveyed via genuine news reports)
quickly generated a national scandal. There were calls, which
never went anywhere, for government regulations of broadcasting
to ensure that a similar incident wouldn t happen again.
In a prescient column, in the New York Tribune, Dorothy Thompson
foresaw that the broadcast revealed the way politicians could
use the power of mass communications to create theatrical
illusions, to manipulate the public."
2 "...Majestic-12 documents."
"Majestic 12" or "MJ-12". (NOTE: All of the following
information and/or assertions concerning the MJ-12 documents are
those of the authors of the following website: http://www.majesticdocuments.com/)
"Operation Majestic-12 was established by special classified
presidential order on September 24, 1947 at the recommendation
of Secretary of Defense James Forrestal and Dr. Vannevar Bush,
Chairman of the Joint Research and Development Board. The goal
of the group was to exploit everything they could from recovered
Buried in a super-secret "MAJIC EYES ONLY" classification that
was above TOP SECRET long before the modern top secret
codeword special access programs of today Major General Leslie
R. Groves (who commanded the Manhattan Project to deliver the
atomic bomb) kept just one copy of the details of crashed alien
technology in his safe in Washington, D.C.
Ambitious, elite scientists such as Vannevar Bush, Albert
Einstein, and Robert Oppenheimer, and career military people
such as Hoyt Vandenberg, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, Leslie Groves,
and George Marshall, along with a select cast of other experts,
feverishly and secretively labored to understand the alien
agenda, technology, and their implications.
Einstein and Oppenheimer were called in to give their opinion,
drafting a six-page paper titled "Relationships With Inhabitants
Of Celestial Bodies." They provided prophetic insight into our
modern nuclear strategies and satellites, and expressed agitated
urgency that an agreement be reached with the President so that
scientists could proceed to study the alien technology.
The extraordinary recovery of fallen airborne objects in the
state of New Mexico, between July 4 - July 6, 1947, caused the
Chief of Staff of the Army Air Force's Interplanetary Phenomena
Unit, Scientific and Technical Branch, Counterintelligence
Directorate to initiate a thorough investigation. The special
unit was formed in 1942 in response to two crashes in the Los
Angeles area in late February 1942. The draft summary report
begins "At 2332 MST, 3 July 47, radar stations in east Texas and
White Sands Proving Ground, N. M. tracked two unidentified
aircraft until they both dropped off radar. Two crash sites have
been located close to the WSPG. Site LZ-1 was located at a ranch
near Corona, Approx. 75 miles northwest of the town of Roswell.
Site LZ-2 was located approx. 20 miles southeast of the town of
Socorro, at latitude 33-40-31 and longitude 106-28-29".
The first-ever-known UFO crash retrieval case occurred in 1941
in Cape Girardeau, Missouri. This crash kicked off early
reverse-engineering work, but it did not create a unified
intelligence effort to exploit possible technological gains
apart from the Manhattan Project uses.
The debris from the primary field of the 1947 crash 20 miles
southeast of Socorro, New Mexico was called ULAT-1 (Unidentified
Lenticular Aerodyne Technology), and it excited metallurgists
with its unheard-of tensile and shear strengths. The fusion
nuclear (called neutronic at that time) engine used heavy water
and deuterium with an oddly arranged series of coils, magnets,
and electrodes descriptions that resemble the "cold fusion"
studies of today.
Harry Truman kept the technical briefing documents of September
24, 1947 for further study, pondering the challenges of creating
and funding a secret organization before the CIA existed
(although the Central Intelligence Group or CIG did exist) and
before there was a legal procedure of funding non-war
In April 1954, a group of senior officers of the U.S.
intelligence community and the Armed Forces gathered for one of
the most secret and sensational briefings in history. The
subject was Unidentified Flying Objects not just a discussion
of sightings, but how to recover crashed UFOs, where to ship the
parts, and how to deal with the occupants. For example, in the
"Special Operations Manual (SOM1-01) Extraterrestrial Entities
Technology Recovery and Disposal," MAJESTIC-12 "red teams"
mapped out UFO crash retrieval scenarios with special attention
given to press blackouts, body packaging, and live alien
transport, isolation, and custody.
Majestic Documents.com is not another rehash of the famous
Roswell story it contains over 500 pages (and growing) of
newly surfaced documents, many of which date years before the
Roswell crash. Unlike other websites, a central theme of
validating authenticity is woven throughout the site while
telling the exciting story of the U.S. government's work on
retrieval and analysis of extraterrestrial hardware and alien
life forms from 1941 to present."
3 "Like Ripley said..."
Robert LeRoy Ripley (December 25, 1893 - May 27, 1949) was a
cartoonist, entrepreneur, and amateur anthropologist who created
the world famous Ripley's Believe It or Not! newspaper panel
series, featuring odd but true facts from around the world.
Subjects covered in Ripley's cartoons and text ranged from
sports feats to little known facts about unusual and exotic
sites, but what ensured the concept's popularity may have been
that Ripley also included items submitted by readers, who
supplied photographs of a wide variety of small town American
trivia, ranging from unusually shaped vegetables to oddly marked
domestic animals, all documented by photographs and then
engagingly depicted by Ripley's prolific pen."
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About The Source Of
Material In This Book
The content of this book is primarily excerpted from the letter,
interview transcripts and personal notes I received from the late
Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy. Her letter to me asserts that this
material is based on her recollection of communication with an alien
being, who "spoke" with her telepathically.
During July and August
of 1947 she interviewed an extraterrestrial being who she identifies
as "Airl", and whom she claims was and continues to be an officer,
pilot and engineer who was recovered from a flyer saucer that
crashed near Roswell, New Mexico on July 8th, 1947.
Obviously, anyone reading anything about this most famous, or
infamous, of all "flying saucer" or "alien encounter" events must
necessarily be highly suspicious regarding:
the authenticity of
the credibility of the source of information,
especially when it appears for the first time sixty years after the
I received the aforementioned letter from Mrs. MacElroy on September
14th, 2007, together with a package of documents. The package
contained three types of documents:
hand-written notes in cursive on
ordinary, lined, 8 1/2" X 11"school notebook paper, which I assume
had been written personally by Mrs. MacElroy.
notes typed on a manual typewriter on plain, white 20 lb. bond
paper, which I am assume were prepared personally by her. At least
both had the appearance of having been written in the same hand
writing, and / or typed on the same typewriter consistently
throughout. The writing in the notes I received also appeared to be
the same as the writing on the address and return address of the
manila envelope I received from Navan, Ireland, which was postmarked
on 3 September, 2007. Since I am not a forensic expert, or
handwriting analyst, my opinion in these matter is not a
professionally qualified judgment.
many pages of typewritten transcriptions of her interview with
the alien. These were obviously typed on a different typewriter.
These pages were typed on a different type of paper and showed
apparent signs of age and repeated handling.
None of these notes were assembled in any particular order, or by
date, except where indicated by a sentence or paragraph of preamble
or explanation by her, or by extrapolation from the context of the
Voltaire 4 (Footnote) is quoted as having said:
"History is a
Mississippi of lies".
According to the comments made by the alien in the interview
transcripts, supplied by Mrs. MacElroy, the fundamental lesson of
history is that many, many gods have become men, but very few men,
if any, have returned to being a god again.
According to the alien being - "Airl" - if anything he / she / it
supposedly communicated can be trusted - and if the "translation"
or interpretation of this alleged communication is accurate, the
history of this universe is a "River of Lies" down which the might
and freedom of all-powerful, god-like, immortal spiritual beings
ended and was lost in a Sea of Matter and Mortality.
Furthermore, according to the very direct and undiplomatic
statements made - which seem to express the "personal opinion" of
the alien - if one were traveling the far reaches of the universe
in search of a place called "Hell", it would be an accurate
description of Earth and the inhabitants in its current condition.
To further compound, complicate and
magnify the "incredible" source of the "interview transcriptions" I
received from Mrs. MacElroy is the fact that they are:
based almost entirely on
"telepathic communication" between the alien and Mrs.
many of these interviews discuss
"paranormal" activities of "immortal spiritual beings"
Of course, most "scientific authorities"
are unwilling to acknowledge or perceive spiritual phenomena of any
The dictionary definition of the word paranormal is:
1. cannot be explained by scientific methods
2. supernatural, or seemingly outside "normal" sensory channels
By definition, people who use the word
"paranormal" are 1) not able to explain spiritual phenomena and 2)
spiritual phenomena are outside of their normal sensory channels.
In short, scientists suffer from the inability and/or unwillingness
to perceive and/or explain spiritual activities. Therefore, the
discussion of spiritual activities or spiritual universes in this
book are expected to be understood only by those who can and will
perceive such things.
According to the time spans related by the alien in several of the
interviews, there are a number of compelling and heretofore unknown
reasons that suggest the possibility that many extraordinary
miscalculations have been made by Earth scientists regarding the
origins and antiquity of the universe, Earth, life forms and events.
Of course, these may or may not be accurate either, as time and it's
ugly step-child, history, are largely subjective.
However, it can be observed that, by contrast with interstellar or
"macrocosmic time", the historical perspective of residents of Earth
is limited to a relatively microscopic period of time, compared to
what are considered to be "recent events" in the chronology of an
space travel civilization, much less the entire time span of the
The geological record of Earth is reckoned, by the best guesses of
scientists, to be only about 4 billion years. The antiquity of homo
sapiens in the archaeology textbooks is estimated at only a few
million years, at most. Even the entire biological spectrum is
considered to have existed on this planet for only a few hundred
million years. And, by and large, the personal memory of individual
beings on this planet is limited to only one lifetime.
All other dates, events, or interpretations of events cited in this
book are from terrestrial sources, which are purely subjective
observations, conjectures, or inventions of human beings, including
those of the author, and must therefore be credited or disregarded
by the reader accordingly, considering the penchant of Earth
inhabitants to myopia, egocentricity, and general ignorance of the
several universes in which we dwell.
This book is intended to be an informal presentation of information
provided to me, sixty years after the fact, of a series of
interviews between an alien space craft officer, pilot & engineer
and an Army Air Force surgical nurse.
"Frangois-Marie Arouet (21 November 1694 - 30 May 1778), better
known by the pen name Voltaire, was a French Enlightenment
writer, essayist, deist and philosopher known for his wit,
philosophical sport, and defense of civil liberties, including
freedom of religion and the right to a fair trial. He was an
outspoken supporter of social reform despite strict censorship
laws and harsh penalties for those who broke them. A satirical
polemicist, he frequently made use of his works to criticize
Christian Church dogma and the French institutions of his day.
Many of Voltaire's works and ideas would influence important
thinkers of both the American and French Revolutions."
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Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy
Since I have never met Mrs. MacElroy in person, and spoke with her
over the phone only once for about 20 minutes, I can not vouch
personally for her as a credible source of information. In fact, I
cannot factually substantiate that such a person actually existed,
accept that I did speak with her on the phone and I received
hand-written material in the mail which was sent from a physical
address in Ireland.
When I spoke to her on the phone in 1998, I was living in Florida.
At the time of our brief phone interview, Mrs. MacElroy lived on
Scotty Pride Drive in Glasgow, Montana. I know this because I mailed
a copy of my book, The Oz Factors, to her as a gift after it was
published in 1999. I am sure she received the book, because she
refers to it by name in the letter I received from Ireland, and says
that she read it.
I did a little research on the internet about Glasgow, Montana for
my own interest. Glasgow was founded in 1887 as a railroad town that
became popular during the 1930s because President FDR requested that
Fort Peck Dam be constructed there which became a huge source of
employment for the Glasgow area. In the 1960s the population
flourished up to 12,000 because of Glasgow Air Force Base (SAC),
which was used during the Vietnam conflict and the earlier part of
the 'Cold War'. The base was deactivated and closed in 1969.
When I talked to Mrs. MacElroy on the phone she mentioned that she
had been relocated there by the U.S. Air Force after her service was
completed, and that's where she met her husband, who was an
engineer. I don't think she mentioned his first name. However, he
worked on building the Fort Peck Dam, which created the massive Fort
Peck Lake. Although the dam was finished in 1940, he was a great
fisherman and outdoorsman, so he stayed in the area.
I gathered that
the Irish heritage of the place had something to do with it, but
didn't pursue that point with her. I haven't been able to find any
record of a "MacElroy" who worked at the dam, but the personnel
records from that period are virtually non-existent as far as I can
I contacted her during my research for The Oz Factors book because I
was led to believe, through a very circuitous line of investigation,
that this women
was suspected of having been involved with alien contact at Area 51,
or the Roswell crash site, or something similar.
Through a sequence of circumstantial inferences and accidental
referrals, I actually found her number in the phone book and called
her up just on the chance that there might really be such a person.
Needless to say, when I called her she was less than forthcoming in
her response to my questions. However, I think she was impressed by
my genuine and innocent sincerity to get information for my book,
and realized that I had no nefarious or financially motivated
purposes or reason to exploit her in any way.
Nonetheless, she did not give me any
useful information at that time, except to say that she had been in
the Army and was stationed in New Mexico in 1947.
She could not discuss anything whatsoever about any kind of
incident, as her life depended on remaining silent. Although this
piqued my interest even more, it was futile to try to push her any
further, so I gave up and forgot about her until last September,
when I got the package from Ireland.
I tried to contact her in Ireland at the return address on the
package, but received no reply from her, nor have I been able to
find anyone in Meath County, Ireland who was acquainted with either
of them except the landlady from whom they rented a room for a few
weeks before their deaths, which seemed to have occurred
simultaneously, although I have no real evidence of this.
However, the post mark of the envelope she sent to me was stamped at
the post office in Navan, Co. Meath, Ireland on the date sited
above. Since there is an actual residence (according to Google Maps)
at the return address shown on the envelope, I wrote to the address
and was advised by the home owner that both Mrs. MacElroy and her
husband, whose name turns out to have been "Paul", were both
recently deceased. She said that the cremated remains of Mrs.
MacElroy and her husband were interred at Saint Finian Cemetery on
Subsequently, I have not been able to find any record of her under
the maiden name of O'Donnell, nor have I had any success at
discovering any personal friend, family member or document to
confirm her birth, medical education, or military record, marriage
or death, with the exception of her landlady in Ireland (who is not
a relative) just before her death. I suspect that this is the false
identity given to her by the military when she left Roswell, as
mentioned in her notes.
In either case, it seems likely that her identity and all evidence
of her has been expunged from the public record. I understand that
agencies are adept at covering up evidence, or making records (and
people) disappear. It seems likely that this has been done in her
case, due to the highly sensitive nature of the Roswell incident and
consistent with the rest of the alleged "cover up".
Inasmuch as I do not have any further information to verify or
substantiate that any of the notes of these "interviews" sent to me
by Mrs. MacElroy are in any way factual, other than what I have
already mentioned, let the reader beware, and take heed accordingly!
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The Letter from Mrs.
August 12, 2007
I am typing this letter to you on my old Underwood typewriter that I
bought after I was discharged from the Army. Somehow it seems like a
fitting contrast to the subject of this letter and the documents you
will find enclosed in this envelope.
The last time I spoke to you was about eight years ago. During your
brief telephone interview with me you asked me to assist you with
the research for "The Oz Factors" book you were writing because you
suspected that I might know something that would help your
investigation into the possibility that extraterrestrial beings may
have influenced the history of Earth. When we spoke, I told you that
I did not have any information that I could share with you about
Since then I have read your book and found it very interesting and
compelling. You are obviously a man who has done his homework, and
who could understand my own experiences. I've been thinking a lot
about your allusion to the old philosopher whom you paraphrased in
our phone conversation: "with great power, comes great
responsibility". Although I don't think power is pertinent in my
life or to my reasons for sending you the enclosed documents, you
certainly did get me thinking about my responsibility.
I have reconsidered my position, for a variety of reasons, not the
least of which is my realization that you were right. I do have a
responsibility to myself, at least. I can not possibly tell you the
personal Hell 5 (Footnote) of ethical irresolution and spiritual
ambivalence I have endured since 1947. I do not want to keep playing
the game of "maybe I should have, or maybe I shouldn't have",
through the rest of Eternity!
Many men have been killed to extinguish the possibility of revealing
the knowledge I have helped to withhold from society, until now.
Only a small handful of people on Earth have seen and heard what I
have had the burden of keeping secret for sixty years. All those
years I thought that I had been entrusted with a great deal of
confidence by the "powers that be" in our government, although I
have often felt that power is greatly misguided, to "protect"
Mankind from the certain knowledge that, not only do intelligent
extraterrestrial life forms exist, but that they have and continue
to aggressively monitor and invade the lives of everyone on Earth
Therefore, I think the time has come to pass along my secret
knowledge to someone I think will understand it. I don't think it
would be responsible of me to take the knowledge I have into the
silent afterlife, beyond reach or recognition. I think there is a
greater good to be served than protecting the "vested interests" for
whom this information is considered a matter of "national security",
whatever that means, and is therefore justification for making it
"TOP SECRET". 6 (Footnote)
Also, I am now 83 years old. I have decided to leave this body,
which has outlasted it's usefulness to me, using a painless method
of self-administered euthanasia. 7 (Footnote) I have a very few
months to live, and nothing to fear or lose.
So, I have moved away from Montana, where my husband and I lived for
most of my life, to spend our remaining days in a lovely rented
upstairs bedroom in a house in the homeland of my husband's family
in County Meath, Ireland. 8 (Footnote)
I will die not far from "The Great Mound" at Knowth
9 (Footnote), and
Dowth, the "Fairy Mound of Darkness". These are sacred "cairns" or
massive stone structures that were erected about 3,700 BCE and
engraved with indecipherable hieroglyphs - about the same time as
pyramids and other inexplicable stone monuments were being built all
over the Earth.
I am also not far from "The Hill of Tara",
10 (Footnote) that was
once the ancient seat of power in Ireland where 142 kings are said
to have reigned in prehistoric and historic times. In ancient Irish
religion and mythology this was the sacred place of dwelling for the
"gods" and was the entrance to the "other world".
Saint Patrick came to Tara to conquer the ancient religion of the
pagans. He may have suppressed the religious practices in the area,
but he certainly did not have any impact on the "gods" who brought
these civilizations to Earth, as you will discover when you read the
documents enclosed. Therefore, this is a fitting location for my
departure from this unholy world and final release from the burdens
of this life.
The crystal clear perspective of hindsight has revealed a higher
purpose to me: assisting the survival of the planet, all living
beings and life forms in our galaxy!
The status quo of our government establishment has been to "protect
the people" from knowledge of such matters. In fact, the only
protection afforded by ignorance and secrecy is to hide the private
agenda of those in power to enslave others. And, by doing so, to
disarm every perceived enemy, and ally, through superstition and
Therefore, I have enclosed the original and only existing copies of
my personal notes and reflections on a matter which I have kept
hidden from everyone, even my own family. I have also enclosed my
copies of typed transcripts created by the stenographer who
transcribed all of my interviews with the alien saucer pilot after
each interview was finished. I do not have any copies of the tape
recordings that were made of my interview reports. No one, until
now, knows that I was able to secretly retain copies of the official
Now I am entrusting these documents to your discretion to impart to
the world in any form or manner you see fit. My only request is that
you do so in a way that will not threaten your own life or well
being, if possible. If you were to incorporate these notes of my
experiences into a work of fiction, such as a novel, the factual
nature of the material could be easily dismissed or discredited by
any agency for whom "national security" is used as a personal shield
against scrutiny and justice.
In so doing, you could "disavow any knowledge" of their true origin,
and claim that it is a fictitious work of your imagination. Whoever
said that "truth is stranger than fiction" was "right as rain". For
most people all of this will be "unbelievable". Unfortunately,
beliefs are not a reliable criteria for reality.
Also, I am sure that if you were to show these notes to anyone that
would prefer physical, economic or spiritual slavery over freedom,
the subject matter contained in them would seem quite objectionable.
If you attempted to published the documents as a matter of factual
reporting in a newspaper or on the evening TV news they would be
rejected out of hand as the work of a kook. The very nature of these
documents make them unbelievable, and therefore discreditable.
Conversely, the release of this information is potentially
catastrophic for certain political, religious and economic vested
These documents contain information which is quite relevant to your
interest and investigations into alien encounters and paranormal
experience. To use your analogy in "The Oz Factors" book, I can
honestly say that the few factual reports that have been made by
others about "alien" influences are only a gentle breeze in the eye
of an Apocalyptic Hurricane swirling around Earth. There really are
wizards and wicked witches and flying monkeys in this universe!
This information, which has been suspected and/or speculated upon by
so many for so long, has been constantly denied by mainstream media,
academia, and the Military-Industrial Complex 11 (Footnote) that
President Eisenhower warned us about in his farewell address.
As you known in July,1947,the Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF)
12 (Footnote) issued a press release stating that personnel from the
field's 509th Bomb Group had recovered a crashed "flying disc" from
a ranch near Roswell, New Mexico, sparking intense media interest.
Later the same day, the Commanding General of the Eighth Air Force
14 (Footnote) stated that Major Jesse Marcel, who was involved with
the original recovery of the debris, had recovered only the tattered
remnants of a weather balloon. The true facts of the incident have
been suppressed by the United States government since then.
You may not know that I was enlisted in the U.S. Women's Army Air
Force (WAC) 15 (Footnote) Medical Corp which was a part of the US
Army back then. I was assigned to the 50 9th Bomb Group as a Flight
Nurse 16 (Footnote) at the time of the incident.
When the news that there had been a crash was received at the base,
I was asked to accompany Mr. Cavitt, the Counter Intelligence
Officer, 17 (Footnote) to the crash site as the driver of his
vehicle, and to render any needed emergency medical assistance to
any survivors, if necessary. 18 (Footnote)
Therefore, I briefly
witnessed the wreckage of an alien space craft, as well as the
remains of the several alien personnel aboard the craft who were
When we arrived I learned that one of the personnel on board the
craft had survived the crash, and was conscious, and apparently
uninjured. The conscious alien was similar in appearance, but not
the same as, the others. 19 (Footnote)
None of the other personnel present could communicate with the
survivor, as the being did not communicate verbally or by any
recognizable signs. However, while I examined the "patient" for
injuries I immediately detected and understood that the alien being
was attempting to communicate with me by "mental images", or
"telepathic thought", 20 (Footnote) which projected directly from
the mind of the being.
I immediately reported this phenomenon to Mr. Cavitt. As no other
person present could perceive these thoughts, and the alien seemed
able and willing to communicate with me, it was decided, after a
brief consultation with a senior officer, that I would accompany the
surviving alien back to the base.
This was partly due to the fact that I was a nurse, and could attend
to the physical needs of the alien, as well as serve as a
non-threatening communicator and companion. After all, I was the
only woman at the site and the only one who was not armed. I was
thereafter assigned permanently to serve as a "companion" of the
alien at all times. 21 (Footnote)
My duty was to communicate with and interview the alien and to make
a complete report of all that I discovered to command authorities.
Subsequently, I was supplied with specific lists of questions
provided to me by military and non-military personnel, which I was
to "interpret" for the alien, and record the responses to the
I also accompanied the alien at all times during medical testing and
the many other examinations to which the alien was subjected by
staff from numerous government agencies.
I was given a promotion in rank to Senior Master Sergeant to improve
my security rating, and to increase my pay grade from $54.00 a month
to $138.00 a month, for this very unusual assignment. I performed
these duties from July 7th through August,1947,at which time the
alien "died" or departed the "body", as you will read about in my
Although I was never left entirely alone with the alien, as there
were always military personnel, intelligence agency people and a
variety of other officials present from time to time, I did have
uninterrupted access to and communication with the alien being for
nearly six weeks.
Hereinafter is an overview and summary of my personal recollections
of "conversations" with the alien craft pilot, whom I came to know
by the identity of "Airl".
I feel that it is my duty at this time, in the best interest of the
citizens of Earth, to reveal what I have learned from my interaction
with "Airl" during those six weeks, on the anniversary of her
"death" or departure sixty years ago.
Although I served as a nurse in the Army Air Force, I am not a pilot
or technician. Further, I did not have any direct contact with the
space craft or other materials recovered from the crash site at that
time, or thereafter. To that degree it must be taken into
consideration that my understanding of the communications I had with
" Airl" are based on my own subjective ability to interpret the
meaning of the thoughts and mental images I was able to perceive.
Our communication did not consist of "spoken language", in the
conventional sense. Indeed, the "body" of the alien had no "mouth"
through which to speak. Our communication was by telepathy. At
first, I could not understand Airl very clearly. I could perceive
images, emotions and impressions, but it was difficult for me to
express these verbally. Once Airl learned the English language, she
was able to focus her thoughts more precisely using symbols and
meanings of words I could understand. Learning the English language
was done as a favor to me. It was more for my own benefit than hers.
By the end of our interview sessions, and increasingly since then, I
have become more comfortable with telepathic communication. I have
become more adept at understanding Airl's thoughts as though they
are my own. Somehow, her thoughts become my thoughts. Her emotions
are my emotions. However, this is limited by her willingness and
intention to share her own, personal universe with me. She is able
to be selective about what communication I am allowed to receive
Likewise, her experience, training, education,
relationships and purposes are uniquely her own.
This is the symbol of "The Domain"
The Domain is a race or
civilization of which Airl, the alien I interviewed, is an officer,
pilot and engineer serving in The Domain Expeditionary Force. The
symbol represents the origin and unlimited boundary of the known
universe, united and integrated into a vast civilization under the
control of The Domain.
Airl is currently stationed at a base in the asteroid belt which she
refers as a "space station" in the solar system of Earth. First and
foremost, Airl is herself. Secondarily, she voluntarily serves as an
Officer, Pilot and Engineer in The Domain Expeditionary Force. In
that capacity she has duties and responsibilities, but she is at
leave to come and go as she pleases also.
Please accept this material and make it known to as many people as
possible. I repeat that it is not my intention to endanger your life
with the possession of this material, nor do I really expect you to
of it either. However, I do sense that you can appreciate the value
that such knowledge may have to those who are willing and able to
face the reality of
Mankind needs to know the answers to questions which are contained
in these documents. Who are we? Where did we come from? What is our
purpose on Earth? Is Mankind alone in the universe? If there is
intelligent life elsewhere why have they not contacted us?
It is vital that people understand the devastating consequences to
our spiritual and physical survival if we fail to take effective
action to undo the longstanding and pervasive effects of alien
intervention on Earth.
Perhaps the information in these documents will serve as a stepping
stone to a better future for Mankind. I hope that you can be more
clever, creative and courageous in the distribution of this
information than I have been.
May The Gods Bless You and Keep You.
Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy
Senior Master Sergeant
Women's Army Air Force Medical Corp, Retired
100 Troytown Heights
Co. Meath, Ireland
5 "...personal Hell..."
"The modern English word Hell is derived from Old English hel,
helle (about 725 AD) and ultimately from Proto-Germanic halja,
meaning "one who covers up or hides something".
6 "...Top Secret"...
"Top Secret is the highest acknowledged level of classified
information in many countries, where it is defined as material
that would cause "exceptionally grave damage" to national
security if disclosed. The term top secret can be applied to
information, actions, organizations, projects, etc. of which any
knowledge is highly restricted."
- Reference: Wikipedia.org
"The term euthanasia comes from the greek words "eu" and "thanatos"
which combined means "well-death" or "dying well". Hippocrates
mentions euthanasia in the Hippocratic Oath, which was written
between 400 and 300 B.C. The ancient Greeks and Romans generally
did not believe that life needed to be preserved at any cost and
were, in consequence, tolerant of suicide in cases where no
relief could be offered to the dying or, in the case of the
Stoics and Epicureans, where a person no longer cared for his
- Reference: Wikipedia.org
8 "...County Meath, Ireland..."
"Meath (the "middle") was formed from the eastern part of the
province of Midhe - see Kings of Mide - but now forms part
ofLeinster. Historically this province of Meath included all of
the current county as well as all of Westmeath and parts of
Cavan, Longford, Louth, Offaly, Dublin and Kildare. The High
King of Ireland sat at Tara in Meath. The archaeological complex
of Bru na Boinne is 5,000 years old and includes the burial
sites of Newgrange, Knowth and Dowth, in the northeast of the
- Reference: Wikipedia.org
9 "...The Great Mound" at Knowth,
and Dowth, the "Fairy Mound of Darkness". These are sacred
"cairns" or massive stone structures that were erected about
3,700 BCE and engraved with indecipherable hieroglyphs..."
"The astronomical significance of Kerbstone 51, the "Stone of
the Seven Suns", at Dowth: If moonlight were to shine on the
back stone of the eastern passage at Knowth, it would illuminate
a map of the moon itself, the world's oldest known depiction of
the lunar maria*. The carvings are about 4800 years old. The
next oldest depiction of the maria known to science is that by
Leonardo da Vinci in about 1505 AD.
* Lunar maria (singular: mare, two syllables) are large, dark,
basaltic plains on Earth's Moon, formed by ancient volcanic
eruptions. They were dubbed maria, Latin for "seas", by early
astronomers who mistook them for actual seas. They are less
reflective than the "highlands" as a result of their iron-rich
compositions, and hence appear dark to the naked eye. The maria
cover about 16% of the lunar surface, mostly on the near-side
visible from Earth. The few maria on the far-side are much
smaller, residing mostly in very large craters where only a
small amount of flooding occurred. Reference: Wikipedia
The mythology about Dowth speaks of a hull and seven cows, it
seems likely that the site has some connection with the
constellation of Taurus, the Bull, which contains the open
cluster the Pleiades, otherwise known as "The Seven Sisters".
This constellation was very important around the year 3000BC,
when the Boyne Valley mounds were being constructed, as it
contained the Sun on the Spring Equinox, that very important
moment of the year when the Sun's path along the ecliptic
crossed the celestial equator heading northwards. It is the
Sun's position among the zodiac stars at this time which
determines the current 'age' - i.e. the "Age of Taurus".
Another interesting phenomenon which occurs at this time is what
is known to astronomers as a 'heliacal rising' of the Pleiades.
This happens when the stars in question rise at the eastern
horizon but are quickly lost in the glare of the rising sun. It
is interesting to note that the Egyptians, and the Dogon tribe
in Africa, (See: The Oz Factors) among others, used the same
Dowth-like 'sun-wheel' symbols to signify a heliacal rising.
If these 'sun-wheel' symbols do represent the heliacal rising of
the Pleiades, it tells us something very significant about the
Neolithic people - they were aware of the great cycle of
precession, the slow wobble of the Earth's axis which causes the
celestial pole to shift over time, resulting in the Vernal
Equinox point, that place where the Sun crosses the celestial
equator, moving backwards, or westwards, through the Zodiac over
a huge 25,800-year period.
This Vernal point moves just one
degree (about two widths of the full moon) every 72 years, and
spends on average 2,150 years in each of the twelve
constellations of the Zodiac."
- Reference: http ://www. mythicali re land, com/an cientsites/dowt
10 "...In ancient Irish religion and
mythology this (Tara) was the sacred place of
dwelling for the "gods"..."
" Sitting on top of the King's Seat (Forradh) of Temairis the
most famous of Tara's monuments - Ireland's ancient coronation
stone - the Lia Fail or "Stone of Destiny", which was brought
here according to mythology by the godlike people, the Tuatha De
Danann, as one of their sacred objects. It was said to roar when
touched by the rightful king of Tara.
A new theory suggests Tara was the ancient capital of the lost
kingdom of Atlantis. The mythical land of Atlantis was Ireland,
according to a new book. There are a large number of monuments
and earthen structures on the Hill of Tara. The earliest
settlement at the site was in the Neolithic, and the Mound of
the Hostages was constructed in or around 2500BC."
11 "...the Military - Industrial
Complex that President Eisenhower warned us about in
his farewell address..."
"A military-industrial complex (MIC) is composed of a nation's
armed forces, its suppliers of weapons systems, supplies and
services, and its civil government.
The term "MIC" is most often used in reference to the United
States, where it gained popularity after its use in the farewell
address of President Dwight D. Eisenhower. In the penultimate
draft of the address, Eisenhower initially used the term
military-industrial-conqressional complex, and thus indicated
the essential role that the United States Congress plays in the
propagation of the military industry. But, it is said, that the
chose to strike the word congressional \r\ order to placate
members of the legislative branch of the federal government.
It is sometimes used more broadly to include the entire network
of contracts and flows of money and resources among individuals
as well as institutions of the defense contractors, The
Pentagon, and the Congress and Executive branch. This sector is
intrinsically prone to Principal-agent problem, moral hazard,
and rent seeking. Cases of political corruption have also
surfaced with regularity.
President of the United States (and former General of the Army)
Dwight D. Eisenhower later used the term in
Address to the Nation on January 17,1961:
"A vital element in keeping the peace is our military
establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant
action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk
his own destruction...
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a
large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total
influence economic, political, even spiritual is felt in
every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal
government. We recognize the imperative need for this
development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave
implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all
involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the
acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or
unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for
the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our
liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for
granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel
the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery
of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security
and liberty may prosper together."
- Reference: Wikipedia.org
12 "... Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF)..."
"In May 1946, the Army Air Forces (AAF) gave SAC the
responsibility of delivering the atomic bomb. Only one of the
command's bombardment units, the 509th at Walker Air Force Base
(then Roswell Field) in New Mexico, was trained and ready for
the atomic bomb mission. The 509th Wing, training on the B-29
aircraft, dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan."
- Reference: http:/AĞww.strategic-air-command.com/bases/Walker_AFB.htm
13 "...July 8,1947, the Roswell Army
Air Field (RAAF) issued a press release stating
that personnel from the field's 509th Bomb Group had recovered a
disc" from a ranch near Roswell, New Mexico..."
THE FOLLOWING LIST OF WITNESSES AND TESTIMONY REGARDING THE
"CRASHED FLYING DISC" INCIDENT THAT MRS. MACELROY DESCRIBES IN
NOTE: Testimonial, Signed Affidavits, Photos And Other Resource
Materials About The Incident
Can Be Viewed At The Following
Website: http://roswel Iproof .horn estead. com/index, html
'When we look at the contents of the message in conjunction with
witness testimony, the evidence clearly points to an actual
flying saucer crash, as astonishing as this conclusion may seem
This testimony is gone into in much greater detail elsewhere in
this Website. It consists primarily of numerous and consistent
descriptions of highly anomalous debris and to a lesser extent
of alien bodies. Here are a few key witnesses:
Major Jesse Marcel: Then the intelligence chief at Roswell and
the first to investigate sheep rancher Mack Brazel's find,
Marcel confirmed in a number of interviews 30 years later that
the crash debris had highly anomalous properties and was "not of
this Earth." Marcel also spoke of Ramey's weather balloon
cover-up at Fort Worth. Note particularly highly laudatory
post-Roswell evaluations by base commander Col. William
Blanchard, Gen. Ramey, and Mure USAF Chief of Staff Col. John
Lt Walter Haut Former Roswell base public information officer
who issued the base press release. Haut's "deathbed" sealed
affidavit has just been published. In it he confesses to seeing
the spacecraft and bodies in base Hangar 84/P-3 and tells us the
mysterious press release was General Ramey's idea to divert
press and public attention away from the closer and more
important craft/body site.
Sett Frederick Benthal: Army photographer flown in from
Washington D.C., said he photographed alien bodies in a tent at
crash site and saw large quantities of crash debris being hauled
away in trucks.
PFC Elias Benjamin: Roswell MP, said he escorted the alien
bodies from the heavily guarded base Hangar P-3 to the base
hospital, and saw a live one being worked on by doctors; was
threatened afterwards if he didn't keep quiet.
1st Lt. Chester P. Barton: A crypto specialist and assigned to
an MP unit, Barton said he was ordered to the crash site 45
minutes north of town to check on the cleanup, saw a
football-field-size bum impact area heavily guarded by MPs,
scattered metal debris, was told radiation was at the site,
heard archeologists had first discovered it, and also heard
bodies were taken to base hospital and then to Fort Worth.
Because of what he saw, he knew that the balloon explanation was
ridiculous and there had been a cover-up. However, Barton was
unusual in being a flying saucer crash skeptic, instead thinking
that it was maybe a B-29 crash and nuclear accident.
Bill Brazel Jr.: Rancher Mack Brazel's son, Bill Brazel
independently corroborated many details of Marcel's testimony,
including the strange debris, the large, elongated debris field,
and his fathefs story of an explosion in the middle of a violent
Louis Rickett: One of the regular Army CIC agents in Marcel's
office, Rickett confirmed the anomalous quality of the debris, a
major cleanup operation at Brazel's ranch, high secrecy, and
being involved in a subsequent investigation to determine the
trajectory of the craft. He
was also told by others about the shape of the main craft. Like
Chester Barton, he placed the main impact site a 45 minute drive
north of Roswell.
(Copyright İ2001 by David Rudiak. E-Mail: email@example.com)
Brig. Gen. ArthurExon: Though not a direct participant, Exon was
stationed at Wright Field at the time, overflew the area soon
afterwards, and was later commanding officer of Wright-Patterson
AFB. Exon when first interviewed flatly stated, "Roswell was the
recovery of a craft from space." Among other things, he
confirmed the existence of two main crash sites. Exon also said
he heard that bodies were recovered and confirmed the debris was
highly anomalous based on testing done by labs at
Wright-Patterson. Exon added that he was aware of other
crash-recoveries that occurred while he was C/0 at
Steven Lovekin (served in the White House Army Signal Corp
during Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations, 1959-1961)
Although like Exon not a direct participant, Lovekin said he
received 1959 Pentagon briefings and being shown a metallic beam
with symbols from a 1947 N.M. crash (presumably Roswell) plus
being told of either 3 or 5 aliens being recovered, one
initially alive. He also said he was shown very compelling
photographic and radar evidence of UFOs. He also testified of
the threats against military personnel given this information if
they were to publicly reveal it. Finally, he told of
Eisenhower's concern over losing control of the situation with
power falling into the hands of private corporations given
access to the materials.
Brig. Gen. Thomas Dubose: Gen. Ramey's Chief of Staff in 1947,
Dubose handled the high-level phone communications between
Roswell, Fort Worth, and Washington. Dubose went on record many
times about the high secrecy involved (including the matter
going directly to the White House), receiving direct orders from
Washington to instigate a cover-up, Gen. Ramey's weather balloon
cover story, and a highly secret shipment of debris from Roswell
to Fort Worth, Washington, and Wright Field. Duhose's damning
testimony made him a complete nonentity in the Air Force's 1995
Roswell report, which didn't even bother to identify him in the
photos taken of Gen. Ramey with his weather balloon. (Visit the
website to view Dubose's Air Force biography, his sworn
affidavit, and a more detailed discussion of his testimony which
the Air Force was so eager to avoid.)
Sgt Robert Slusherand PFC Lloyd Thompson: Crew members on a
mysterious B-29 flight from Roswell to Fort Worth on July 9,
1947, transporting a large wooden crate in the bomb bay
surrounded by an armed guard. Upon arrival, the plane was met by
high brass and a mortician. This is probably the flight referred
to in the Ramey memo that would ship whatever was "in the
'disc'" to Fort Worth by a B-29 Special Transport plane. New
witnesses to the flight, including daughter of the head security
guard, saying that alien bodies were inside the crate.
Frank Kaufmann: A highly controversial witness claiming to be
one of the exclusive members of a special CIC-team (Army
Counter-intelligence Corp) in charge of the Roswell recovery
operation. Nonetheless, some of Kaufmann's claims seem to he
corroborated by the Ramey message, including the existence of
such a team, the recovery of an intact "disk" with bodies inside
about 35 miles north of Roswell base, and the special team being
responsible for the initial Roswell base press release. Kaufmann
also testified to knowing of a wooden crate guarded in a hangar
with the bodies packed inside awaiting shipment, perhaps the
same crate independently described by Slusherand Thompson.
Glenn Dennis: A Roswell mortician and another highly
controversial witness, Dennis spoke of receiving strange calls
from the base about preservation techniques and child-sized
coffins. Dennis also claimed to be at the Roswell base hospital,
seeing unusual debris in the back of an ambulance including a
pod-like object perhaps alluded to in the Ramey message,
and being threatened. He also claimed to know a Roswell nurse
who assisted in a preliminary autopsy at the base hospital and
who described the aliens to him.
The nurse subsequently disappeared. However, attempts to
identify the mystery nurse have proven to be a complete failure
after Dennis provided a false name. However, also see some
corroborative evidence immediately following Dennis' affidavit,
such as David Wagnon. a medical technician, who remembered the
nurse fitting Dennis' description, as did Pete Anaya, who said
the pretty nurse he knew and encountered at the base hangar
telling him of the bodies there subsequently disappeared.
Roswell police chief L. M. Hall stated that Dennis was telling
him of calls from the base about small coffins for the aliens
only a few days after the crashed saucer story broke in the
Roswell papers. Similarly, S/Sgt. Milton Sprouse also said he
heard of the coffin call from Dennis and a medic friend told him
of the alien bodies and autopsy at the hospital.
The medic and doctors and nurses involved in the autopsy all
immediately were transferred and their fate remained unknown. In
addition, other independent witnesses have provided first and
second-hand testimony about small bodies being found with
details very similar to those provided by Dennis, including
Walter Haul Frederick Benthal. Eli Benjamin, and relatives of
Family and friends of Oliver "Pappy" Henderson: Henderson was
one of the senior pilots at Roswell. When the first public
stories of a Roswell saucer crash began circulating in 1981,
Henderson confided to family and friends of being the pilot who
flew bodies of the aliens and crash wreckage to Wright Field. He
also claimed to have seen the craft and bodies, and provided a
description of the aliens.
Sgt Robert E. Smith: A member of an
air transport unit at
Roswell, Smith said he helped load crates filled with debris for
transport by C-54's, including one flown by Henderson and his
crew. Smith was also among the witnesses to describe the
mysterious "memory foil" which he said was in the crates. He
further described strangers to the base dressed in plainclothes
and flashing ID cards for some unknown project, perhaps part of
the special CIC-team mentioned in the Ramey memo and by Frank
Kaufmann. Finally he claimed that distant cousin of his was with
the Secret Service and was there at the base representing
President Truman. (The same name was also provided by Kaufmann.)
S/Sgt Earl V. Fufford: In the engineering squadron, Fulford said
he participated in the large debris field cleanup guarded by
MPs, handled the mysterious "memory foil," saw what may have
been the trapped crash object on a flatbed truck being towed to
Hangar 84, and in the middle of the night was made to load a
large wooden crate into an idling C-54.
Earl Zimmerman: Formerly with AFOSI (AF counterintelligence).
While in officers' club heard many rumors about flying saucer
crash and of it being investigated under the guise of an
airplane crash. Several times observed Gen. Ramey and Charles
Lindbergh being at base unannounced in connection with this.
Like Robert Smith, spoke of seeing an unknown CIC man being at
base. Col. Blanchard told him it was OK. Later worked with
astronomer Dr. Lincoln LaPaz and corroborated story of Roswell
CIC man Lewis Rickett that LaPaz investigated Roswell afterwards
with the help of the CIC to try to determine objects trajectory.
Again an airplane crash was the cover story.
LL Robert Shirkey: Then the assistant operations officer,
Shirkey witnessed the loading of the
Robert Porter, he also stated that the plane's pilot was Deputy
Commanding Officer Lt. Col. Payne Jennings, who was now the
Acting C/0 with Col. Blanchard officially on leave. Nine days
later. Shirkey was abruptly transferred to the Philippines to a
post that didn't exist. Jennings personally flew him to his next
Sql Robert Porter: Was on Marcel's flight to Fort Worth and was
handed wrapped packages of debris samples. Said that flight was
piloted by Deputy base commander Jennings. He was told on board
that the crash material was from a flying saucer. Later, they
told him it was a weather balloon. Said debris was loaded onto
Art McQuiddy: Former editor of the Roswell Morning Dispatch.
Said base commander Col. Blanchard admitted to authorizing base
press release and of strange material being found by his men.
Judd Roberts: Co-owner of Roswell radio station KGFL owner.
Spoke of how they wire-recorded an interview with rancher Mack
Brazel for later airing, then withdrew it about receiving
warnings from Washington about losing their license. Testified
to seeing a military cordon around Brazel crash site.
William Woody: Another witness to a military cordon thrown up up
north of town along the main highway, blocking access to the
Lydia Sleppy: Albuquerque teletype operator and one of earliest
witnesses. Stated that the story phoned in from field by Roswell
radio reporter Johnny McBoyle about seeing the crashed saucer
and hearing of bodies was intercepted and cut-off on the
teletype wire by the FBI.
Loretta Proctor: Neighbor of rancher Mack Brazel. Brazel told
her and her husband of finding strange material before going to
Roswell, and showing them a wood-like piece that couldn't be cut
or burned. They advised him to go to Roswell and report it.
Brazel was detained at the base and complained bitterly of his
treatment when he returned.
Sally Strickland Tadolini: Another neighbor of Brazel's.
Although only 9 years old at the time, remembered Mack Brazel's
grown son Bill Brazel bringing over a piece of metallic-looking
debris with memory properties to show to her family (incident
corroborated by her mother). Described it as tough, resembled a
smooth 'fabric" like silk or satin, and, of course, unfolded
itself to its original shape after being crumpled up.
Independently corroborated Bill Brazel's story of finding
material and also Marcel's of a metallic fabric material with
memory properties which he could blow through (therefore not
Also remembered the adults talking about Mack Brazel's bad treatment at hands of military.
14"... the Commanding General of the
Eighth Air Force..."
Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr.: 11 -year old son of Major Marcel in 1947,
recounts how his father woke up his mother and himself in the
middle of the night when he returned from the debris field,
showing them the pieces of a "flying saucer." Among other
material, he distinctly remembers a small metallic "I-beam" with
"General Roger M. Ramey was a major player In the Roswell
Incident, hut information on him is hard to come by. Even though
he became a fairly important Air Force general in the early
1950s, for some reason the Air Force biographical Web page on
their generals doesnt list him.
Ramey was born in 1903 in Sulphur Springs, Texas, but grew up in
Denton, Texas, about 40 miles north of Fort Worth. He graduated
from North Texas State Teachers College in Denton and wanted to
study medicine. But he won a rodeo competition and "preferred
working on a ranch to books."
He was the mess sergeant in a local National Guard unit, and the
captain insisted young "Cowboy" Ramey take the competitive
examination for entrance to the U.S. Military Academy, winning
the West Point appointment. He entered West Point in 1924.
July 26,1946: Ramey wrote Roswell intelligence chief Major Jesse
Marcel a commendation for his work during Crossroads, citing his
important contributions to security, his handling of complex
intelligence matters, and the perfection of his staff briefings.
A year later Marcel was to handle the initial investigation into
the strange crash debris found by rancher Mac Brazel near
Roswell and fly the debris to Fort Worth for examination by Gen.
June 30, 1947: Ramey and his intelligence chief were giving
press interviews and debunking the new flying saucer phenomenon.
July 6, 1947: Ramey spent all day attending an air show in his
home town of Denton, TX (and probably visiting relatives).
Meanwhile, back in Fort Worth with Ramey away from the base, his
chief of staff, Brig. Gen. Thomas Dubose, said he first learned
of the find at Roswell by phone from SA C acting chief of staff
Gen. McMullen. According to Dubose, McMullen ordered debris
samples flown immediately to Washington by "colonel courier,
"first stopping in Fort Worth. The whole operation was carried
out under the strictest secrecy, said Dubose. McMullen ordered
him not to tell anyone, not even Ramey.
July 8, 1947: The infamous Roswell base flying disk press
release and Ramey's subsequent debunking of it as a weather
balloon. According to Dubose, McMullen ordered the cover-up in
another phone call to Dubose from Washington. Both Dubose and
Roswell intelligence chief Jesse Marcel said the weather balloon
was not what Marcel brought from Roswell, being nothing but a
cover story to get rid of the press.
- Reference: Wikipedia.org
15"... U.S. Women's Army Air Force..."
"The Women's Army Corps (WAC) was the women's branch of the US
Army. It was created as an auxiliary unit, the Women's Army
Auxiliary Corps in 1942, and converted to full status as the WAC
in 1943. About 150,000 American women served in the WAAC and WAC
during World War II. They were the first women other than nurses
to serve with the Army."
- Reference: Wikipedia.org
16 "...Flight Nurse"...
"The Flight Nurse Badge is issued in two different versions, one
for the Navy and the other for the Air Force. To be awarded the
Flight Nurse Badge, a service member must be a commissioned
officer and a Registered Nurse and must also complete training
normally befitting the award of the Aircrew Badge. The Flight
Nurse Badge is then presented after a probationary period of
in-flight instruction and observation."
- Reference: Wikipedia.org
17 ..."Sheridan Cavitt of the
Counter Intelligence Officer"...
(Please see the following Footnote)
18 "... I was asked to accompany Mr.
Cavitt, the Counter Intelligence officer, to the
crash site as the driver of his vehicle ...
"Most of the testimony in this (the following) document is from
the 1992 book "Crash at Corona" by Stanton Friedman and Don
Berliner, published in the United States by Paragon House. That
book contains lots of other interesting material, including
material regarding another crash site in New Mexico.
Sequence of Events:
On July 2, 1947, during the evening, a flying saucer crashed on
the Foster Ranch near Corona, New Mexico. The crash occurred
during a severe thunderstorm. (The military base nearest the
crash site is in Roswell, New Mexico; hence, Roswell is more
closely associated with this event than Corona, even though
Corona is closer to the crash site.)
On July 3, 1947, William "Mac"Brazel (rhymes with "frazzle") and
his 7-year-old neighbor Dee Proctor found the remains of the
crashed flying saucer. Brazel was foreman of the Foster Ranch.
The pieces were spread out over a large area, perhaps more than
half a mile long. When Brazel drove Dee back home, he showed a
piece of the wreckage to Dee's parents, Floyd and Loretta
Proctor. They all agreed the piece was unlike anything they had
On July 6, 1947, Brazel showed pieces of the wreckage to Chaves
County Sheriff George Wilcox. Wilcox called Roswell Army Air
Field (AAF) and talked to Major Jesse Marcel, the intelligence
officer. Marcel drove to the sheriff's office and inspected the
wreckage. Marcel reported to his commanding officer, Colonel
William "Butch" Blanchard. Blanchard ordered Marcel to get
someone from the Counter Intelligence Corps, and to proceed to
the ranch with Brazel, and to collect as much of the wreckage as
they could load into their two vehicles.
Soon after this, military police arrived at the sheriff's
office, collected the wreckage Brazel had left there, and
delivered the wreckage to Blanchard's office. The wreckage was
then flown to Eighth Air Force headquarters in Fort Worth, and
from there to Washington.
Meanwhile, Marcel and Sheridan Cavitt of the Counter
Intelligence Corps drove to the ranch with Mac Brazel. They
arrived late in the evening. They spent the night in sleeping
hags in a small out-building on the ranch, and in the morning
proceeded to the crash site.
On July 7, 1947, Marcel and Cavitt collected wreckage from the
crash site. After filling Cavitt's vehicle with wreckage, Marcel
told Cavitt to go on ahead, that Marcel would collect more
wreckage, and they would meet later back at Roswell AAF. Marcel
filled his vehicle
with wreckage. On the way hack to the air field, Marcel stopped
at home to show his wife and son the strange material he had
On July 7, 1947, around 4:00 pm, Lydia Sleppy at Roswell radio
station KSWS began transmitting a story on the teletype machine
regarding a crashed flying saucer out on the Foster Ranch.
Transmission was interrupted, seemingly by the FBI.
On July 8, 1947, in the morning, Marcel and Cavitt amved back at
Roswell AAF with two carloads of wreckage. Marcel accompanied
this wreckage, or most it, on a flight to Fort Worth AAF.
On July 8, 1947, around noon, Colonel Blanchard at Roswell AAF
ordered Second Lieutenant Walter Haut to issue a press release
telling the country that the Army had found the remains of a
crashed a flying saucer. Haut was the public infbrmathn officer
for the 509th Bomb Group at Roswell AAF. Haut delivered the
press release to Frank Joyce at radio station KGFL. Joyce waited
long enough for Haut to return to the base, then called Haut
there to confinn the story. Joyce then sent the story on the
Western Union wire to the United Press bureau.
On July 8, 1947, in the afternoon, General Clemence McMullen in
Washington spoke by telephone with Colonel (later Brigadier
General) Thomas DuBose in Fort Worth, chief of staff to Eighth
Air Force Commander General Roger Ramey. McMullen ordered DuBose
to tell Ramey to quash the flying saucer story by creating a
cover story, and to send some of the crash material immediately
On July 8, 1947, in the afternoon, General Roger Ramey held a
press conference at Eighth Air Force headquarters in Fort Worth
in which he announced that what had crashed at Corona was a
weather balloon, not a flying saucer. To make this story
convincing, he showed the press the remains of a damaged weather
balloon that he claimed was the actual wreckage from the crash
site. (Apparently, the obliging press did not ask why the Army
hurriedly transported weather balloon wreckage to Fort Worth,
Texas, site of the press conference, from the crash site in a
remote area of New Mexico.)
The only newspapers that carried the initial flying saucer
version of the story were evening papers from the Midwest to the
West, including the Chicago Daily News, the Los Angeles Herald
Express, the San Francisco Examiner, and the Roswell Daily
Record. The New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Chicago
Tribune were morning papers and so carried only the cover-up
story the next morning.
At some point, a large group of soldiers were sent to the debris
field on the Foster Ranch, including a lot of MPs whose job was
to limit access to the field. A wide search was launched well
beyond the limits of the debris field. Within a day or two, a
few miles from the debris field, the main body of the flying
saucer was found, and a mile or two from that several bodies of
small humanoids were found.
The military took Mac Brazel into custody for about a week,
during which time he was seen on the streets of Roswell with a
military escort. His behavior aroused the curiosity of friends
when he passed them without any sign of recognition. Following
this period of detention, Brazel repudiated his initial story."
19"...I discovered that one of the personnel on board the craft
had survived the crash..."
The following is a verbatim copy of the signed Affidavit
submitted on 8-7-1991 by Glenn Dennis, a mortician, in Roswell,
N.M. at the time of the incident described in the letter from
(PLEASE NOTE: Mrs. MacElroy is NOT the same nurse
that Mr. Dennis mentions in his Affidavit. Although no official
identification has been made, several witnesses have identified
"Nurse X" as 1st Lt. Adeline "Eileen" Fanton.)
"AFFIDAVIT OF GLENN DENNIS
(1) My name is Glenn Dennis
(2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX
(3) I am () employed as: () retired,
(4) In July 1947, I was a mortician, working for the Ballard
Funeral Home in Roswell, which had a contract to provide
mortuary services for the Roswell Army Air Field. One afternoon,
around 1:15 or 1:30,1 received a call from the base mortuary
officer who asked what was the smallest size hermetically sealed
casket that we had in stock. He said, "We need to know this in
case something comes up in the future." He asked how long it
would take to get one, and I assured him I could get one for him
the following day. He said he would call back if they needed
(5) About 45 minutes to an hour later, he called back and asked
me to describe the preparation for bodies that had been lying
out on the desert for a period of time. Before I could answer,
he said he specifically wanted to know what effect the
preparation procedures would have on the body's chemical
compounds, blood and tissues. I explained that our chemicals
were mainly strong solutions of formaldehyde and water, and that
the procedure would probably alter the body's chemical
composition. I offered to come out to the base to assist with
any problem he might have, but he reiterated that the
infomiation was for future use. I suggested that if he had such
a situation that I would try to freeze the body in dry ice for
storage and transportation.
(6) Approximately a hour or an hour and 15 minutes later, I got
a call to transport a serviceman who had a laceration on his
head and perhaps a fractured nose. I gave him first aid and drove
him out to the base. I got there around 5:00 PM.
(7) Although I was a civilian, I usually had free access on the
base because they knew me.
I drove the ambulance around to the back of the base infirmary
and parked it next to another ambulance. The door was open and
inside I saw some wreckage. There were several pieces which
looked like the bottom of a canoe, about three feet in length.
It resembled stainless steel with a purple hue, as if it had
been exposed to high temperature. There was some strange-looking
writing on the material resembling Egyptian hieroglyphics. Also
there were two MPs present.
(8) I checked the airman in and went to the staff lounge to have
a Coke. I intended to look
for a nurse, a 2nd Lieutenant, who had been commissioned about
three months earlier right
out of college. She was 23 years of age at the time (I was 22).
I saw her coming out of one
of the examining rooms with a cloth over her mouth. She said,
"My gosh, get out of here or
you're going to be in a lot of trouble." She went into another
door where a Captain stood.
He asked me who I was and what I was doing here. I told him, and
he instructed me to stay there. I said, "It looks like you've
got a crash; would you like me to get ready?" He told me to stay
right there. Then two MPs came up and began to escort me out of
the infirmary. They said they had orders to follow me out to the
(9) We got about 10 or 15 feet when I heard a voice say, "We're
not through with that SOB.
Bring him back." There was another Captain, a redhead with the
meanest-looking eyes I
had ever seen, who said, "You did not see anything, there was no
crash here, and If you say
anything you could get into a lot of trouble." I said, "Hey look
mister, I'm a civilian and you
can't do a damn thing to me." He said, "Yes we can; somebody
will be picking your bones
out of the sand." There was a black Sergeant with a pad in his
hand who said, "He would
make good dog food for our dogs." The Captain said, "Get the SOB
out." The MPs followed
me back to the funeral home.
(10) The next day, I tried to call the nurse to see what was
going on. About 11:00 AM, she called the funeral home and said,
"I need to talk to you." We agreed to meet at the officers club.
She was very upset. She said, "Before I talk to you, you have to
give me a sacred oath that you will never mention my name,
because I could get into a tor of trouble." I agreed.
(11) She said she had gone to get supplies in a room where two
doctors were performing a prelimary autopsy. The doctors said
they needed her to take notes during the procedure. She said she
had never smelled anything so horrible in her life, and the
sight was the most gruesome she had ever seen. She said, "This
was something no one has ever seen." As she spoke, I was
concerned that she might go into shock.
(12) She drew me a diagram of the bodies, including an arm with
a hand that had only four fingers; the doctors noted that on the
end of the fingers were little pads resembling suction cups. She
said the head was disproportionately large for the body; the
eyes were deeply set; the skulls were flexible; the nose was
concave with only two orifices; the mouth was a fine slit, and
the doctors said there was heavy cartilage instead of teeth. The
ears were only small orifices with flaps. They had no hair, and
the skin was black-pe&iaps due to exposure in the sun. She gave
me the drawings.
(13) There were three bodies; two were very mangled and
dismembered, as if destroyed by predators; one was fairly
intact. They were three-and-a-half to four feet tall. She told
me the doctors said: "This isn't anything we've ever see before;
there's nothing in the medical textbooks like this." She said
she and the doctors became ill. They had to turn off the air
conditioning and were afraid the smell would go through the
hospital. They had to move the operation to an airplane hangar.
(14) I drove her back to the officers' barracks. The next day I
called the hospital to see how she was, and they said she wasn't
available. I tried to get her for several days, and finally got
one of the nurses who said the Lieutenant had been transfened
out with some other personnel. About 10 days to two weeks later,
I got a letter from her with an APO number. She indicated we
could discuss the incident by letter in the future. I wrote back
to her and about two weeks later the letter came back marked
"Return to Sender-DECEASED." Later one of the nurses at the base
said the rumor was that she and five other nurses had been on a
training mission and had been killed in a plane crash.
(15) Sheriff George Wilcox and my father were very close
friends. The Sheriff went to my folks' house the morning after
the events at the base and said to my father, "I don't know what
kind of trouble Glenn's in, but you tell your son that he
doesn't know anything and
hasn't seen anything at the base." He added, "They want you and
your wife's name, and they want your and your children's
addresses." My father immediately drove to the funeral home and
asked me what kind of
trouble I was in. He related the conversation with Sheriff
Wilcox, and so I told him about the events of the previous day.
He is the only person to whom I have told this story until
(16) I had filed away the sketches the nurse gave me that day.
Recently, at the request of a researcher, I tried to locate my
personal files at the funeral home, but they had all been
(17) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make
this statement, which is the truth to the best of my
20 "...telepathic thought..."
"Telepathy, from the Greek TEAE, tele meaning "remote" and
πάθεια, patheia meaning "to be affected by", describes the
purported transfer of information on thoughts or feelings
between individuals by means other than the five classical
senses. The term was coined in 1882 by the classical scholar
Fredric W. H. Myers, a founder of the Society for Psychical
Research, specifically to replace the earlier expression
thought-transference. A person who is able to make use of
telepathy is said to be able to read the minds of others.
Telepathy, along with psychokinesis forms the main branches of
parapsychological research, and many studies seeking to detect
and understand telepathy have been done within the field.
Telepathy is a common theme in fiction and science fiction, with
many superheroes and supervillains having telepathic abilities.
Such abilities include both sensing the thoughts of others, and
controlling the minds of other people. Transhumanists believe
that technologically enabled telepathy, called "techlepathy",
will be the inevitable future of humanity, and seek to develop
practical, safe devices for directly connecting human nervous
- Reference: Wikipedia.org
21 "...I was the only women at the
"Another story about the alien bodies and a vanishing nurse came
from Pete and Ruben Anaya, who said they picked up N.M. Lt.
Governor Joseph Montoya outside the large base hangar. Besides
the hangar being heavily guarded by MPs, they said there was a
base nurse (or maybe two different nurses) who came outside the
hangar and spoke briefly with them. Ruben said she told him that
the bodies were "not from this world" and then noticed one of
them moving. Ruben said he then went to take a look and also
glimpsed two small bodies from a distance under sheets inside
the hangar and one of them moving. He described the nurse he
spoke to as blondish and heavyset. [Note: Of the five nurses
that are pictured in the base yearbook from around June/July
1947, none of them appear blondish or heavyset, though.
- Reference: http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Dennis.html
(Copyright İ2001 by David Rudiak. E-Mail: firstname.lastname@example.org)
In contrast, Pete Anaya said he knew the nurse he spoke to from
the Officer's Club (his brother Ruben worked there as a cook),
had danced with her once the previous Halloween at a party, said
she resembled his wife Mary, and was a beautiful women with
beautiful hair. He wanted to go inside the hangar to see what
was going on, and she told him he didn't want to see anything.
After that, he said he never saw her again. (Source: Tim
Shawcross, The Roswell File, 1997)
Former Roswell police chief LM. Haft remembered Dennis telling
him only a few days after the newspaper stories of the crashed
flying saucer, about strange calls from the base for child-size
caskets "to ship or bury those aliens."
Another witness that recently came forth to corroborate parts of
Dennis' story was S/Sqt. Milton Sprouse. then a B-29 crew chief
with the 830th Bomb Squadron. Sprouse said he spoke to Dennis
several years later while Dennis handled a funeral for a friend.
Dennis told him he had received a call from the base for five
children's caskets for a crash that had happened 2 or 3 days
before. Thus it seems that Dennis' story of the child casket
call is not of recent origin hut dates back to the original
Sprouse said the bodies were taken to a hangar heavily guarded
by MPs with machine guns. He also said he knew something about
the autopsy initially described by Dennis. A fellow staff
sergeant in his barracks, who worked as an emergency room medic
at the base hospital, was called out there. When he came back he
related that an autopsy on one or two of the "humanoid bodies"
had been carried out by two doctors and two nurses. His friend
said he had seen the bodies. Similar to Dennis' nurse, the
sergeant was transferred the following day and nobody ever found
out what became of him.
Sprouse also heard that the doctors and nurses involved with the
autopsy were also transferred and nobody found out what became
of them either. Five members of his ground crew were also sent
to the ranch to help clean up the debris field. They told him
the material was "out of this world," including foil that when
crumpled returned to ifs original shape."
- Reference: (San Diego Union-Tribune story. 10/26/2007: North
County Times story, 9/30/2007 -San Diego, Riverside)
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