What is the energy standpoint
from 3D and 4D? We know that integration is occurring on all
levels. Seams are coming apart, and other things are forming. We
are going to be seeing changes. What do you foresee?
For one thing, these things started in the 1960s of your time.
You started to feel the shift of 3D to 4D in terms of the
expressions of your relationships, but you haven't known what
was happening. You haven't known that you could go with the
energy and heal it. Instead, you've tried to resist the change
as a mass consciousness. You've seen the great rise in divorce
since the '60s. Much of this is the resistance of the change
until there is a snapping point.
Divorce is a 3D solution. Breaking. Separation. Divorce is the
idea of separating oneself to artificially create the illusion
that you are not connected to that person. The 4D version of
"divorce" will be the recognition of two people that the
relationship is going in a different direction, and that is
allowed. There is no separation, because you can never be
separate. You allow the other person to move in that direction.
Energetically, you are finding that everyone is touched by these
energies. Each person is reacting to them in the only way they
Some people are denying them. Some
people are swinging the pendulum in the opposite direction. Some
people are polarizing. Some people are going with the flow. But
you are going to find that this issue is not going to go away.
It is going to challenge you, and challenge you, and challenge
you until you can come face to face with your own feelings of
inadequacy and aloneness and how you have sought relationships
to fill that gap.
Energetically you will create less disharmony if you move with
it. If you create resistance, you will create more discomfort
When I talk about these ideas regarding relationships with
others, they think all it has to do with is sex. No one seems to
really get the point.
The buttons are pushed on sex because individuals will
frequently ascribe another reason to something as a distraction
so they do not have to look at the pain.
Sex, being that it is an expression
of vulnerability, pushes people's buttons because they do not
want to be vulnerable. If they are vulnerable, they believe,
they are weak and open to attack. That, at all costs, is to be
avoided in their belief. So, they will blame sex. It is not the
issue, and never has been. It is a symptom. Your points of view
as a society on sex are symptoms of the greater dysfunction.
They have nothing to do with the problem.
Energetically you are going to find that as this change occurs,
first and foremost internally you are all going to go through
changes. It may first manifest outside of you. You may think it
is a problem with your relationship. It is not. It is your
change inside that you are seeing reflected in your
relationship. Always, first level, is inside of you.
If you are resisting change, you are
going to start feeling pain, confusion, maybe even manifest all
sorts of physical symptoms. This will happen if you are not
willing to move with the changes that are occurring inside of
you and in the mass consciousness.
If you are willing to move with it,
then you are going to start to see that maybe you will get more
emotional for a while, let some things out, then your
relationships are going to start to change. Change does not mean
they will end. Change does not mean destroy or divorce. Change
means change, and that is all change means.
You can then move with these changes and if there is a partner
in your life, you can seek to help them move through changes at
the same time as you do. Trust that the two of you are on the
same path, no matter what choice happens.
We understand that many people in your society base personal
satisfaction or success on how their relationships are going in
their life. That method of gauging can no longer to continue to
exist. It is an artificial construct that is giving you
artificial data generated by you so you don't have to face your
fears. That was a tool in 3D.
In 4D, it is going to be very
different. You will see that if you resist claiming your own
power, you will continually seek relationships to validate your
own being. If relationships continue not to work and have
conflict all the time, the reason for that is that you are still
using the relationship to make you feel better.
That cannot occur in a 4D type
You indicated that the new relationships are by conscious
choice. All the other issues that you've touched seem to be
mutually accepting issues that people can accept totally on
their own and then share the fruits of those with another
person. That one seems to imply some sort of conditional
acceptance by both people of a mode to indicate a relationship
No. If we have explained it incorrectly, we apologize. Let us
give you an example of conscious choice. Let us say that you are
in a relationship with a man (or woman) in 4D. Here is an
example of what we are not talking about. You say to the person,
"I want a monogamous (or
polygamous, whatever) relationship, and I will continue this
relationship with you only if you agree to that."
The choices are entirely for you. If
you choose monogamy, then it is only you who chooses not to have
sex with others. You don't require the other person to make the
same choice. The choices are all for you. They have nothing to
do with the other person. If you choose to be non-monogamous,
then that choice is for you. Your mate can do whatever they
want. You only make the choices for you and no one else.
You do not demand that the other
That is what we meant by conscious
In 4D you are acting in the moment. So you are trying to act
on your excitement. How do you act on your excitement and
include future commitments? One could decide they want to
conceive a child because that is their excitement in the moment.
But that excitement includes a tremendous commitment with it
In 4D type relationships, the idea of commitment does not exist.
Commitment takes yourself out of the moment. If you stay totally
in the moment you are thinking of having a child, all of the
principles we've outlined for 4D come into play. Meaning -
absolute trust. You do not have to plan for the future. It is
trust. Do you understand?
So the idea of commitment is a 3D illusion. What does it really
mean? How many people make commitments and they are not followed
through? A commitment never insures your security. It placates
you into thinking you are secure. That is the difference.
In a 4D type relationship, with trust instead of control,
allowance instead of manipulation, there is no concern for the
future because there is a knowingness that it will all take care
of itself. If you have a 4D woman who wants to have a child, she
will not have the child based on the hope or desire that the
father will be there.
That brings him in to something that
is entirely her creation. That idea cannot exist in a 4D
reality. Therefore, if a 4D woman wants to have a child, she has
the child because she wants the child. Because she wants the
child, there is absolute trust and allowance that everything
will be perfectly fine. If the woman is
Pleiadian, this is reflected in
their society's philosophy. They are all part of the same family
anyway. It is different from what you see here, although your
society will change.
Pay attention to when you take
yourself out of the moment.
So, if it is your excitement in the moment to conceive a
child (and your true excitement, not a compulsion), then in 4D
thinking you would have absolute trust that everything from
there on out would work fine because you followed your
excitement in the moment.
Absolutely! If you continued to follow your excitement all the
time from moment to moment, there is no reason to think you
could ever not trust.
So you wouldn't think that tomorrow it may not be my
excitement to have this child. You would just trust.
Exactly. If you are in the moment - totally and absolutely -
then after the baby is born, each day, in the moment, there is
that child. In the moment, you can love it. In the moment,
whatever is there in your reality you recognize as a part of
your creation and who you are.
There will never be a time where you
"Oh, I made a mistake in having
Okay. And also there is an inherent love for your creation,
and therefore always an excitement for your creation? It is just
a matter of recognizing always in the moment that it is your
creation. Not just a child, but any reality that you create.
Yes. One of the reasons why you've had difficulty owning your
creations is because you are not in the moment - you are in the
past or the future. It is very hard to see what it is you've
created when you are not in the present. If you are totally 100%
in the present, you clearly and consciously can own every
creation that you've ever had. Very simple. No effort.
In 3D we've been living in polarities and extremes. As near
as I can see those extremes have led us into addictions and
dependency. The dependency we feel is that we want someone to
fulfill our needs. Therefore, we become dependent on the other
person. Then in 4D, is all dependency gone?
Yes. Dependency cannot exist in 4D because 4D is integration and
not separation. Dependency is a quality of separation -
depending on something outside of you. In 4D, there is a
recognition of yourself as the creator, and so when that
recognition is there, you cannot put that outside of yourself.
It is an equation that doesn't work.
I'll have to state the analogy and then find the question. We
stuff our issues in a box and seal the box with a lid called
"sex." This is why the issue of sex frequently brings up our
issues. Because we open the box and have to lift the lid, so all
the issue come crawling out. Is there a way to get at the issues
without using sex to trigger them?
Sex is only one symptom. Recognize that there are many lids that
cover that box. Sex is just one of those lids. Each person will
be able to get at those issues through whatever lid they have
that triggers it. For some people it is sex. For others it is
Some people's issues are not
triggered by sex. For others, sex is a really good trigger. It
really depends on the individual.
I always find myself not making certain choices because I am
sensitive to others. I would rather not cause problems for them.
I don't want to hurt other people.
This is a very good question. You have voiced the mass
consciousness here. One of the greatest gifts that you can give
the people in your life is being 100% you. This means that you
be absolutely honest in all interactions and not take
responsibility for their pain. We know this is a big one for
most people on your world. You cannot ever be responsible for
other people's pain.
Some of you have walked down the street and you've seen your
friend. You say, "Oh, you got a haircut. It looks nice."
The friend then freaks out and think you are patronizing them.
You've all had experiences like this where you've been totally
misunderstood. You must, at all costs, express yourself while
not taking responsibility for the reaction. You can say nice
things all the time, and still push people's buttons.
That is what I've been finding out. I've finally been making
choices for myself, and people have been getting upset. But I
still want these people as friends.
You cannot sacrifice your own growth and the growth of others
for a relationship based on illusion.
Well, most of these people have been part time meta-fizzlers.
They like the concepts, but they don't want to apply them in
Good term. We might borrow that one. This is another one of
those topics where we can't stress enough to you that the
greatest service you can provide to your neighbor is being fully
who you are. Let us give you an example using a fictional model.
Let's say that a woman is afraid of heights. And let's say that
she came into this life for resolve a lifetime where she jumped
off a cliff.
Let us also say that her husband recognizes that she is afraid
of heights. So he makes sure she never is around anything high.
How is she easily going to be able to face what she came here to
face if the husband keeps steering her away from the heights? It
makes it more difficult. It prolongs the pain.
If, in the husband's excitement he says,
"I want to go hot air
ballooning. Do you want to come with me?"
She may just say yes because she
recognizes it is something to move through. She cannot do that
unless the husband gives her the opportunity to face those
This is what we mean by enmeshment. You've lost the boundaries
between you and other people. You try to protect other people.
But in reality, you are really only trying to protect yourself
from their anger, disapproval or invalidation. So the husband
thinks he is protecting his wife from her fear.
What he is really doing is
protecting himself from being witness to her pain, or from guilt
that maybe he caused her pain. He is protecting himself. At the
same time, he is enabling the wife to continue being afraid and
avoid her fears, when that is what she came here to face!
The biggest gift you can give anyone
in your life is to be fully 100% who you are. It is then that
each person will be challenged. It is then that each person can
take responsibility for their lives, fears, and emotions. Those
emotions and reactions are never caused by someone else. They
all come from you.
The greatest gift you can give in a
relationship is to not hold back who you really are.
That is one of my button-pushers here. I don't think you have
the right to emotionally hurt another person. If they don't ask
you to be completely honest and hurt them, why do you have the
right to hurt them?
There is a big difference between deliberately hurting someone
and being who you know yourself to be. If the husband dragged
the wife to the top of the cliff and forced her to look over the
edge, that is deliberately hurting her. Being who he is
naturally is not hurting her. If she chooses to be hurt, it is
her choice. But there are no victims. There cannot ever be
If you ever believe in any instant that someone else can hurt
another person, then you polarize between victims and hurters.
That is then the way you will see the universe. There is a big
difference between deliberately hurting someone and being fully
who you know yourself to be.
You may not ever know what will hurt your mate. In your
innocence and excitement, you may take her to one of those
cliffs not knowing about that fear. How can you protect yourself
from doing that? You can't. The outcome is the same.
The only thing you can be is fully
who you are. That is empowerment. That is disengaging yourself
from the covert connections you have with people, and
recognizing the greater spiritual connections that you all have
that you have always had.
You can never hurt another person.
If you are not being your 100% natural self, then you are
manipulating people around you. I don't see there is an
exception to that. I've examined times in my communications with
others where I've "softened the blow." My partner and I have
thought that our excitement would be too much for the other
person. In second guessing what the other person's reaction
would be and then altering our natural self expression, we've
always screwed up the communication.
You compromise your integrity when you withhold. If you do not
express who you are, you are lying. You are lying to yourself.
You are lying to the other person. That is an even greater hurt
than the truth. Then they only know you through your lies. They
do not know who you are. They cannot ever love you for who you
are, because they don't know who you are.
Withholding your excitement for fear of hurting another is a 3D
idea. You cannot carry this into 4D if you want to truly express
who you are. If you look at a
Pleiadian, they would never be
hurt by the comment of another. This is because they recognize
that they create all comments that happen. They are the ones
generating their reality. They cannot be victim of hurt.
If you are continually protected from the anger of another (just
like if you are continually protected from the cold), someday
you are going to have to go outside and because you've never
felt the cold, it is going to be devastating to you.
It is, in one way, honorable that you care about the feelings of
another. But in one way, it is also insulting. This is because
you do not allow them to ever fully be who they are. You protect
them from the things that you fear, not necessarily the things
This is a no win situation.
What if you find yourself wanting to express following your
excitement 100%, and yet you find that others are telling you
that it would hurt them? How do you deal with those situations
in the transition we are in now between 3D and 4D?
At the risk of sounding really rude, to hell with what the
others think. You may tell others that you understand what they
are saying, but to hold it in would eat you up inside. Be
truthful. To hold this in will be lying to the other person. You
can tell them that. If they don't agree with you, that is their
choice. But we don't believe that most of you really know what
happens to you inside when you hold back truth.
When you hold back that which you are, it submerges itself. It
buries itself into your cells. It starts building painful toxins
first on the emotional level, and then actually on the physical
level. If you do not express who you are 100%, you must store
those judgments of who you are inside of you. Those judgments
eat you up.
Cancer, heart disease, and all of
those lovely things you have on your planet are a result of your
own judgment that you are not worthy to be fully who you know
yourself to be. You stuff it. The more you stuff it, the more
diseased you get. Literally. Stuffing these things can cause
tremendous pain throughout your life. Releasing these things
will cause ecstasy.
You can retrain yourself to know who you are and the first step
is that in a confrontation situation, first think what it is you
want to say. Let yourself think it first. Many of you don't let
yourself think about what you really want to say. You stuff it
before you can really cognize the idea. Write it down. Say it
into a tape recorder. Get comfortable with who you are.
This will naturally teach you to
express yourself without the heavy judgment you've had in the
past. But if you are not even allowing yourself to think these
thoughts, you are not going to be able to train yourself to
speak them. You won't know what the thoughts are. Let it be okay
to start thinking them.
Write them down. Externalize them.
Get them outside of your energy
field so they don't lodge in your energy body. You are all
divine portions of the creator. Your design is built to 100%
every moment channel the energy of All That Is.
All That Is is neutral.
All That Is is neither positive nor negative. It is stasis,
When you deny and shut off any part of yourself, you shut off
the very foundation of the energy of your creation. You judge
that only parts of you are worthy and the other parts are not.
It throws you into disharmony. Therefore all of your
relationships to some degree have disharmony - reflecting that
which you feel within. You cannot withhold any portion of you.
You will be able to learn to tell when what you have to say is
balanced an integrated compared to when what you have to say is
an attack or is a manipulation. You will learn how to tell the
difference. The more you practice, the more you will be able to
tell. If you feel you want to take gradual steps into this idea
of expressing who you are, then before you express get yourself
centered and feel if what you have to say is balanced and
integrated or do you have a desire to be fulfilled by your
expression to that person.
If you do (to get them to do
something, for instance), then there is a hidden motivation and
the expression may not be clean. But by all means at least
express it to yourself. Know who you are. Listen to your
thoughts and feelings. Get out that pent-up energy. Your
relationships are going to blossom and change when you stop
taking responsibility for the other person's reaction.
Before you express something, ask yourself what desire you have
in the expression. Sometimes you may find that the desire is to
change the other person. That is not a clean idea. Sometimes you
can see that. Other times you cannot.
There are times when you cannot see
it, times when you say to yourself,
"It is clean as a whistle," and
you express your thought.
If that expression is an attack, you
are expressing it to someone who has a belief system that they
can be attacked. So what you are doing is providing for the
other person a way for them to heal their belief systems by
providing that stimuli.
In the expression, whether it is attacking or not attacking, you
provide a way for the other person (the recipient) to learn and
to grow. If they have no issue about being attacked, they are
not going to feel attacked. If they believe they can be attacked
and that is one of their issues, they will feel attacked. Again,
you cannot take responsibility for how the person reacts. You
don't know how they are going to react!
They may not be triggered at all.
Your interactions with each other are choreographed in perfect
synchronicity. There is no reaction that doesn't belong. All
expressions belong in the context they are expressed. It cannot
be any other way. There are not mistakes in creation. There are
no wrong things.
There is only neutral expression,
and the synchronicity of All That Is.
If your wife walks up to you and says, "You are a jerk," if you
feel hurt, then that's part of the synchronicity for your own
I understand that. That wasn't my question. Let's say my wife
walks up to me and says I'm a jerk, and she does it after she
has thought about it and believes it is clean and is not an
attack. Let's also say I have no emotional reaction to it, so
it's fine. She can tell me I'm a jerk, and that's cool. If she
has perceived that she is clean on it, and if it is indeed an
Then she will eventually make the recognition because your lack
of reaction will not satisfy her needs. So it's essential for
her to express that, whether she thinks it's clean or not.
Okay, I was just picking hairs because I thought you were
saying that we all will be able to discern all the time whether
what we wanted to say was clean or not, and I don't agree with
that. In fact, I'm not saying that it has to be clean. I'm just
saying that it is our experience that we will not be able to
discern. In the addictive state, we will not be able to discern
what is clean and what is not. One of the things I think is so
wonderful about relationships is that we can love each other
enough to be mirrors for that discernment.
Yes. All right, let us clarify. We apologize if the language was
misleading. We suggest that as you're training yourself to
express that you first ask yourself if it's clean or not clean.
If it's not clean and you can recognize it, then go ahead and
process it however way you want to do it. If you think it's
clean, then express it, because that in itself is part of the
We did not mean to imply that every
time you analyze it you'll have the answer. That is not what was
What if it is your excitement to do something (like go to the
movies) that your mate is not excited about?
If your excitement is based on another person's cooperation,
it's not true excitement. If it's your excitement to take your
wife to a dance, but your excitement is based on her
cooperation, it's not clean.
If it's your excitement to go
dancing for the sake of dancing (not based on anyone else's
excitement), then it's clean, and in your excitement if she is
truly excited, then you will have matched your vibrations.
What is the fine line of deliberately hurting another
individual? If you talk about something with your mate - knowing
that it will hurt that person emotionally - do you have the
right to hurt that person or could you just channel that energy
of excitement in another direction?
You will never 100% always know what will hurt someone.
But if you do.
But you can't know. It is not possible. You may walk up to your
husband one day. He may be feeling absolutely joyous and
ecstatic, and you may say, "You look like a pig today." And if
he feels really good about himself, that's not going to hurt him
in the least. You cannot ever know what will hurt another
So stop trying to take
responsibility for the other person's reactions!
Is all this based on a concept of victimhood? I don't think
you mentioned victimhood per se in the third- to fourth-density
Well, third-density relationships often express victimhood.
Fourth-density expresses self-responsibility and
self-empowerment. Victimhood would come into it, but we
didn't make it a major point. We are not sure that you are
understanding or accepting the concept that we are saying. If
your husband is 100% in his Godself and in his joy and
excitement, you could say the nastiest thing to him in the
world, and it will not hurt him.
You can never hurt another person.
They can choose to feel hurt. You cannot hurt another person,
ever, because each of you (like it or not) are totally
responsible for your own emotions and reactions. This in and of
itself can be a great freedom, because it's the way to take your
power back. Recognize that the bottom-line intention is never to
destroy but always to love.
Even the most heinous acts are an
outcry to learn love. That is the bottom-line intention of
creation, underneath everything else. And every action is based
on that intention of learning to love. Examine your beliefs. If
you really believe that Creation is Love, if you really, really
believe that, then every action, every instance must support
ultimately that belief.
If you believe that actions can
actually hurt, then there's got to be a belief somewhere in
there which says that God or Creation can be hurtful.
Maybe I can help clarify things for the questioner. No other
person knows what is going to hurt me. And to withhold a comment
because it will hurt someone is assuming responsibility for
their emotions and thus for their growth. No one else in this
room is prepared to accept responsibility for another human
being's growth. To do so will actively (if they're in a weakened
or unempowered state), inhibit that growth and actually sabotage
their own life's growth and the things their chosen to confront.
It will lock your relationship into third density, also.
This was something I was going to ask in direct relation to the
earlier question. Let's say I'm in my relationship with my
husband and I say to him, "If you have dinner with another
woman, that hurts me, so don't tell me about it if you do that
because that hurts me and I don't want to hear about it." That's
okay to ask for that, but that's secrecy and it's third density.
So it's fine, but it's choosing third density instead of
Yes, there's nothing wrong with it, but recognize that's what
you're choosing, so you can't expect a fourth-density
relationship if you are choosing third-density interactions.
If you choose third density, then you're right, he has no
right to tell me that or to force that upon me.
But isn't that also expecting
[Everyone in unison] Third density!
You're making a choice based on third density, secrecy, so all
the other parts of the package deal go with it.
Where does the hurt come from and why is it still there if
we're in this transition and we should be looking at these
fourth-dimensional relationships? Why do we feel
You are looking at the fourth-density relationships. In letting
go from the third density to the fourth density, many people are
choosing to feel the hurt. Almost in the same way as when you're
frostbite, and you start getting the feeling back in your feet
that it really hurts. It's a significator. Many people are using
it that way, to remind you that you can still feel.
So it is quite all right to continue to choose third-density
principles. Absolutely, it's fine. It's all equal anyway.
However, do not expect to choose third-density principles and
expect the package deal that comes with fourth density, because
the cruise control does not come with third density. It's one
package or another package. You cannot mix the packages!
In all honesty, those in the room, reading this, and listening
to the tape are groundbreaking these ideas. These are
threatening ideas for a lot of people, and those who do choose
to embrace the fourth-density principles are going to choose to
be exposed to the ground breakers.
You all must start identifying
yourselves and sticking together!
If I have truly chosen fourth-density relationships or to
move into fourth-density relationships which are by choice,
honesty, unconditional love, allowance, I won't feel any pain,
correct? If I'm feeling pain in my relationship, then
You're holding onto something from third density.
So whenever I feel pain, then I need to go back and look at
this versus that, honesty versus this and find out which concept
I'm holding onto.
Exactly, exactly. If you could 100% embrace the fourth-density
idea of relationships, no, you will not feel pain. But some of
you are holding onto some of the third as your are grasping for
fourth, and you're feeling the pain, which an indicator that you
are making the change, and that's quite all right.
But if you feel that you're really
in fourth but there's still this one thing, then go back and
examine what premise or belief that you have that is based on
Again, let me repeat myself. If you are feeling any pain in a
relationship, then I am desperately trying to hold onto some
third-density concept within that relationship.
Yes, exactly. Now, with respect to your channel, we will have a
All right, this is Sasha. Greeting
to all of you.
It's a pleasure to be here with you and especially talking about
one of our favorite topics. We're going to lighten it a little
bit in the second half, and we're just going to throw out to you
that some of you have expressed some interest in the past about
knowing personally about some of my relationships.
That information is certainly
available tonight if you would like to ask, just as a model so
that you can be presented with a different way of having
relationships. Our way is not any better or any worse than
yours. It's simply different; it's an expression of who we are.
Germane gave you quite a lot of information and this information
that he's given you are the tools you will now have and carry
into the future relationships that you have in this life. It
doesn't have to be through pain that these changes are brought
about; it really does not.
Now, of course, if your belief
system says that you must grow with pain, then it's more than
likely you will manifest it, but you don't have to manifest
pain. And you will begin to see, as you apply some of the tools
that were given to you this evening, some of the understandings,
you will begin to see changes in yourself and in your
We cannot stress to you how much we mean what we said about
You will see changes if you start to
recognize when you are operating from third-density principles
and attempting to bring them into a fourth-density relationship.
When you start recognizing that and you start changing yourself,
you are going to see tremendous, powerful changes within your
life. Do not be surprised, and those changes will bring ecstasy
and joy. They do not have to bring pain.
Now, we'd like to take this opportunity to just be available to
you for questions. So we're going to let you orchestrate this
part of the evening.
What would you like to talk about?
As you look into our future on Earth, what probabilities do
From the probability that we view, the way we see the changes in
relationships happening is that the next 20 years is the crucial
point. And within the next 20 years we perceive first more
stress in relationships that are fighting change - overall, not
necessarily in every single relationship. The actual overall
societal change of relationships may externally seem to be a
change brought about by necessity - necessity meaning single
parents, perhaps with the shortage of a certain sex in a certain
However, what will bring about changes in your relationships
will not be these external things but will be the internal
momentum of your change of energy. The external things will just
be symptoms of the change. Do you follow?
So the next 20 years are the most crucial in our estimation.
After that, you will begin adapting with less resistance
overall, but of course within the next 20 years there need to be
pioneers and groundbreakers, and many of you will choose to be
such pioneers, and that is up to you and your personal choices
and your agreements. But you are going to see changes in this
lifetime, absolutely 100% guaranteed.
Now, we would like to talk about the idea that is threatening to
many of you, but as you know is a very solid foundation of
And that idea is the ability to love
more than one person simultaneously. Third density is the
density of polarity; literally that means two ideas are present,
like two ping-pong paddles with a ball in between, back and
forth, back and forth, back and forth. That dynamic cannot be
broken in the density of separation and duality.
As you move into fourth-density type relationships, you're going
to find that this rigidity is not necessarily going to work for
you. It can, but it might not necessarily work for you. And so
the introduction then of a third or a fourth or a fifth person
is going to change the dynamic totally.
And that is something that we would
like to address, because there are many fears in many of you
about the idea of loving more than one person simultaneously,
and these fears are based in third-density premises so they
cannot be applicable in a fourth-density reality.
One of these premises is that if your mate loves another person,
it takes away the love they can have for you. That is a
third-density idea, because using the paddle idea, you have a
finite amount of energy that you're batting back and forth with
the ping-pong ball. You are batting this ping-pong back and
forth, back and forth, back and forth. There is a finite amount
of energy expended between these two because there's no
expansion. Now, if you in third-density, insert a third
variable, you are going to affect the energy between the two
paddles, most definitely. The dynamics will have to change.
In a fourth-density structure (which has been outlined by
Germane), the ideas of unconditional love and trust, living in
the moment, honesty, etc., are present. These 4D ideas do not
support the idea that a third, fourth, fifth or millionth person
entering your relationship can take away from the love that a
mate can feel toward you. It cannot happen. Absolutely cannot
Now, those of you who have spoken to us at length are aware that
presently I have a single mate. I was also in a mated group, and
in this mated group, the intensity of the love between the
individuals was as strong, as intense, as equal to the love that
is now felt between myself and my one mate. If another mate
comes into my relationship now with my mate, it will not be a
break in the flow of the energy.
It will simply be an adding of
another facet through which the energy can travel. And that is
the difference between third- and fourth-density relationships
when you're talking about the ability to love more than one
person. The basic structure of third-density is set up to
support the idea of duality. The basic structure of fourth
density is set up to experience multiplicity. So therefore, the
amount of love is never less in a fourth-density relationship.
Do you all follow?
Thoughts, comments or ideas or
questions on this?
In third density it is so hard for me to see past the element
of time. When you're used to having a mate and therefore
spending a certain amount of time with that mate, and then you
bring in another mate, there's a certain amount of time spent
with her that in my mind I perceive isn't spent with me. I get
caught in the time factor.
Well, if spending time with your mate is equal to the idea of
you not spending time with your mate, there will be no problem
here. There is an inherent inequality within the emotions that
"This is better than this, so if
I don't have this, I am deprived."
Do you follow?
Now, again, we're not saying, as
Germane was not saying, that you must at all cost heal this, you
must just go for it. Make your choices. As you start choosing
how you want to live, these things are going to begin coming up.
But recognize where the time element comes into it. It is not
time. It is your identification with something that is equal or
unequal in your reality.
When you love yourself
unconditionally, then the time spent with your mate will be
equal to the time spent alone.
So when I spend time with my mate, I'm not alone. When I'm
not with my mate I'm alone, so because of the aloneness, I don't
feel the one is equal to the other.
Exactly. And again in fourth density, as Germane was saying, the
recognition is there that you are the generator of your
happiness. You are it. And so when that recognition is there,
that is when it is equal to be with the mate or to be with
yourself because you love yourself as much as you love the mate.
Both companies are appreciated. Both are equal.
And when you see your mate, it's
exciting in the moment; when your mate is not there, you are
excited in the moment with yourself.
Sasha, when you lived with a group, did you all live in one
dwelling? I know now you two have separate dwellings.
We did live in one dwelling that is very similar to the one I
live in now only on a larger scale. Did you want more on that?
Well, no, I was just curious about that because. Did you each
have your own rooms in that dwelling?
So that you could be by yourself as much as you could be with
Yes. There were basically three different phases of
environments. One were rooms of privacy, if you will, that only
we entered. Then there is a secondary room where you enter with
a specific group, invited guests you may call it. And then the
third environment is the entire community environment, which is
open to all.
Question. Or comment.
We have a lot of barriers in our society toward this
information - some of which are religion and societal
conditioning. Can you help us learn how to share this
information with the public and teach a new form of
Just like you cannot be responsible for hurting another, you
cannot be responsible for enlightening another. Do what you can.
But don't start any more crusades!
Each way is really different for each civilization, because the
way that you will heal this is parallel to your identity as a
species. So for instance, the Pleiadian viewpoint on the
relationship issue came about because of our past and who we
were in the past and through this evolution we came to this
The same thing with the Essassani,
and the same thing with the Orions. Now you on your
planet, through who you have been as a species, will develop
your own personal way to make this transformation. We do not
perceive, at least right now, that there is a method by which to
communicate with Earth humans that is any more thorough than
what we have begun doing with you.
The shift is going to happen. It is going to happen quicker as
people consciously make choices to pursue these things. It will
take longer if they resist it, but the transformation to fourth
density is going to happen. The critical mass is going to
happen. It's just a question of when. And that is up to all of
you and whether you choose to take the bull by the horns or
whether you choose to run from the bull.
Either way, it is still going to
Sasha, one of the other trouble areas in relationships is
that a lot of third-density relationships have been based on
really feeling like you own or you possess the other person. I
assume in fourth density that is completely absent.
That feeling of ownership or possession is the idea that Germane
was talking about - having to deal with the need to control. So
it's that issue. Just with a different twist, or not even that
Sasha, you seem to be willing to talk about your own history
We knew you would be the one to bring it up.
Of course! Did you go right into this group from puberty?
Again, the line of puberty is not as defined as it is in your
culture. After puberty I did a lot of studying and traveling and
had relationships that you might call "flings." But when I came
back to my planet and built a home-base there, that's when I was
in the group.
So you were with the group 10-12 years or so?
Equivalent, yes, very rough, but it comprised the greater
portion of my relationship experience.
And we've discussed before that there were seven members of
this group, one non-Pleiadian and six Pleiadians. Is there
anything further that would be helpful in terms of how and why
you left the group? I assume the group itself also
Yes, it was simply a recognition that the excitement of the
individuals involved in the group had changed. Several of the
individuals wanted to go off the planet and explore, and some
chose to go into a more quiet time. So when the excitement to
change the relationship was recognized, there was no resistance,
there was no fighting, there were no tears or anger. It was a
recognition that the next step was to move in this direction.
And because we had not anchored the
past or the future into this relationship, it was a natural
movement from one state to another.
One last question along these lines. We know that the Orion
relationships are changing, that since the Dawn they will be
reevaluating, rethinking their entire concept of relationships
not based on conflict. We are going through relationship
transformation. I would assume synchronistically that your
civilization would also going through relationship
transformation. If that's true, what is the nature of that
transformation that you're experiencing as a culture?
We're not so much experiencing a change in relationships as you
are in the same way. It's a little bit different. The change
that we are experiencing has more to do with our change in our
relationship with other species in that to some degree, not out
of a sense of prejudice, let us say, but we have often preferred
relationships with Pleiadian entities.
We are opening up possibilities of
relationships with all different types of species, and therefore
for instance, to give you a very dramatic example, let's say
there's a species who is so nonhuman that the sexual expression
becomes impossible. We are learning the expression of that
sexuality and that love in other ways.
Yes, and the time that you invited Bashar [an Essassani] and
Zeta] to your dome... What
Harone was baffled to say the least. You know those Zetas.
But that's the kind of thing you're discussing. That was kind
of a landmark...
We never said that inviting them to the dome was a sexual
experience, but that represents our reaching out to other
species more than we ever have. Now, regarding the group that I
was involved in for that amount of time - we've said six
Pleiadians and one non-Pleiadian - the non-Pleiadian was
That was not so much of a challenge,
but he taught us a thing or two.
He was married to every other Pleiadian also, right? Were
there any children in that group?
No. No children.
In third density, we have a situation where when children
have been adopted out for example, it seems like it becomes very
important to many of them to find out who their genetic parents
are. A lot of this searching goes on. Maybe, in your situation
you have enough control over your sexual activity that you know
when you are being fertilized and when you aren't. But in the
transition that we're going through we have not developed to the
point where we're always aware of that. Does the child always
knows who their mother and father are? Does it become important
for the child to know?
No. The idea of some individuals feeling the desire to know
their true parentage is a reflection of the society's or your
mass consciousness's need to gain your identity through your
past. And if you were to live in the moment, that becomes
irrelevant, because literally the past does not hold your
answers; the present holds your answers.
So because the children in our
society are literally the children of all - which is something
we do share with
the Essassani - no child feels unwanted. No
child feels the need to find their identity through their past.
They are very secure in their identity in the present. Again, a
different developmental structure.
If sexuality is allowed to have its natural place which is
everywhere in everything you do, it can't be used against you,
Exactly. Again, sexuality is not sex. We're not talking about
the sex act. We're talking about the natural flow of energy in
creation that is sexual/sensual in its nature. It is of a
creative vibration. Now, many people have made the comment that
they feel the sensual energy from the Pleiadian entities, and
that is simply that we allow that energy to flow; there is no
sexuality/non-sexuality. There is simply one expression, and if
that is the case, sex does not become a big deal. It cannot be
used for control or manipulation.
What is interesting is that we have had encounters with females
in your society (through this channel) who have found us
threatening because of the sensual energy perhaps that they are
perceiving in us.
We are therefore threatening to them
because perhaps we may gain more attention in a direction they
don't want to look at within themselves.
Not only that, but I haven't met a man who hasn't sat here
and said, "Hmm, going to bed with Sasha..." I mean, any man that
I've been around, that I've ever spoken to about being around
your energy, all of a sudden this is the ideal sensual package
that they all think they've been searching for.
And we tone it down quite a bit!! [Laughter] Generally, if
people judge their own or others' sexuality, they may be very
threatened by our type of energy.
On our planet and in third density, there is so much emphasis
on body types. I will be attracted to a certain body type;
someone else will be attracted to this body type. Right now, we
are all supposed to be skinny body types and physically in
shape, and we're not supposed to have extra weight on us, etc.
etc. In fourth density or in Pleiadian reality, is there any
attention at all on physical body type?
No, there is no attention on body type. Now, we may have
preferences, but the preferences are sooo unimportant.
Well, if you're all gorgeous, then why make a
But do you know why we are all gorgeous?
Yes, I know. You all feel wonderful about yourselves, you
feel beautiful, you feel healthy, you feel vibrant.
That is very accurate. If you all felt that way, you would all
be "gorgeous" also. But one of the reasons why you perceive that
you are not all gorgeous is that being in third density you
still must create ways to separate each other from each other.
So you come up with wonderful
excuses for separation such as,
"I can't be with that person
there because they're too skinny, they're too ugly, they're
Exactly. Conditional love. Separation. Those symbols have been
necessary for you to maintain the third-density identity. When
you move into fourth density, those symbols will change because
you will change.
So you as Pleiadians can enjoy the differences in each
Oh yes. Most definitely. Now granted there are not a lot of
differences in our bodies, but we can certainly appreciate those
differences when they are there. Most definitely. But those
differences are not from the result of trying to keep ourselves
separate. They are natural diversifying characteristics.
If you are so together and whole, why is it there is a need
to have another individual as a mate? If you are whole and not
separate, you would have all that male and female inside your
body. So what is the need for a mate?
There is no need per se, in the sense that we do not need to
seek this idea. We may choose to have the idea literally for
reasons of enjoyment and fun. Do you see what we mean?
Enjoyment. When we express ourselves sexually with another
entity, it is not that they fulfill a need for us. It is that
together we play and we rejoice our own individual connections
with the Creator.
But it is not a need in any way.
It always seems in our society that people have relationships
out of needs.
Yes, that is a third-density idea.
So basically there is a separation on many levels of
ourselves and so we need to keep looking for relationships to
fill the void.
Exactly. And that is the cycle. If individuals keep looking for
someone else to fulfill their needs, no one else will ever
fulfill their needs, so they will have a series of unsatisfying
relationships. When you learn that you are the only one who can
satisfy yourself, that you are the only one who can fulfill
yourself, all of your relationships become joyous and ecstatic.
When you do not need something from
another individual, you can enjoy them for who they truly are.
It's almost like a paradox here. How can you really tell that
it's not out of a need for joy? How can you tell if it's just
It's a good question, and in no way would we ever say to you
that if you discover a relationship is out of need that you
should disregard it and throw it away. In fact, we would say,
don't swing that opposite way if you discover that. So
discovering it in this particular case is not necessarily a way
that is going to change it. Living the relationship, recognizing
your motivation and living it and healing through living it
rather than rejecting it is going to be much more helpful.
It's quite all right to be in a
relationship out of need. Recognize the need. Work with it, but
do not reject it because of the need because you'll keep
creating relationships of need that you need to reject. Do you
follow what we mean?
I'm thinking of multiple relationships at one time, having -
this individual and this individual and this individual - and
finding you're able to love all these individuals. Isn't that
being loving out of certain needs and out of the separations
inside the person?
Does not have to be. Can be. If the person is looking for things
that they want inside of themselves in someone else and so they
have all these different relationships trying to get those
things into themselves, then it is out of need, yes. But if the
person possesses all those things inside of them and is
operating from total joy and ecstasy, they can have a
relationship with none or one or many people based on joy, fun
and excitement instead of need.
Do you follow? There is a fine line.
There is a difference.
Sasha, why do you think it is so hard for us to visualize the
relationships that you are talking about, the ones that we're
Because the visualization of these relationships - if you take
it past just the intellect - triggers a tremendous amount of
fear, and so the fear will reach out for protection and will
often put a wall down, so you cannot imagine it so you cannot be
Just visualizing a relationship that wouldn't fulfill my
needs would scare me. Because that's what I'm in it for!
Could you offer us an interpretation of these needs as
pointing to our eventual evolution into fourth density?
Yes. Fourth density is integration. Third density is separation.
To use an analogy, separation is all the ingredients to make a
soup sitting separately on the counter. Integration is the
entire soup itself. Now, if you're going from third to fourth
and seeking to become whole, you must first recognize what the
recipe requires. The recipe requires carrots and celery.
The recipe needs those things, so
for you to recognize those needs will allow you to chop them up
and throw them into the pot which will then become the true
expression of who you are in an integrated way. If you do not
want to look at your needs, you will not know the recipe, you
will not know how to cook the soup, and it will take a lot more
energy, pain and struggle to eventually try to make up the
recipe in a dark room. You see? The needs are important for the
eventual outcome of integration.
So your needs in and of themselves again are neutral ideas. They
have no value except what you ascribe to them. You cannot judge
those carrots on the counter as being wrong. How can you judge
the carrots being wrong? It is your needs that are those
carrots. They are ideas that will eventually be put into the
pot, which will eventually become a very valuable thing.
Nothing exists without a purpose,
and your needs, as dysfunctional as they may be, are still
eventually part of that soup and therefore very valid and very
important that you read those lines in the recipe and chop up
those vegetables and make them a part of the creation you are
attempting to bring forth.
And the trick is to not expect to get the carrots from your
Exactly. You have to be the one to go out and get the carrots.
Go to your own garden. In the way that relationships are set
up now where it's based on needs, if my mate does not provide
the needs that I expected my mate to provide, I become angry,
and obviously I think I'm angry at him but I'm angry because I'm
not getting my needs met through my own efforts. Then in
fourth-density relationships do you not have anger, or you don't
have that particular expression of anger?
We don't have the expression of anger in the sense that we
attach it to another person. We do not have that particular
expression. There are times when we recognize, however, that
perhaps we have not been true to ourselves.
Now again, we're talking in ways
that are different than you, where we will recognize that we
have embraced a reality that we don't prefer, and the anger that
is felt from that is not externalized.
You're not attacking someone.
Sasha, in the book "Messages from Michael" in the first few
pages Michael was discussing the fact that one of his purposes
for channeling information was to get us off of this attention
on relationships and help redirect our attention on
self-improvement (that's a paraphrase). It seems to me that part
and parcel of third-density relationships has been that the
relationship would take precedent over all else and that one of
the things that we're going through is the realization that
personal growth must take precedence. As long as the
relationship takes precedence, personal growth will always have
to suffer. Do you want to comment on that?
Well, the way we will comment on it is that in one way there is
no must in the sense that you are very welcome to choose
relationships over personal growth, but don't expect the
fourth-density package deal with that choice.
If you want to choose a relationship
to be more important than your personal growth, then recognize
it's a choice of separation and that with that choice comes the
package of third density. If you choose personal growth over
relationships, you are choosing to integrate yourself, you are
making a fourth-density choice and then you can accept the
fourth-density package to go along with it.
So neither one is wrong nor right. We are simply saying in terms
of your choice, recognize what you get with that choice.
But if you choose personal growth, then you can use your
relationship to enhance that?
If you choose personal growth, everything in your life
(including your relationships) will enhance that.
Recently my relationship changed with my mate and I went on
vacation. The last thing on my mind was a new relationship. But
it came into my life suddenly.
You have given yourself an opportunity now to make a conscious
choice. Do you want to pursue this relationship from a
third-density perspective, getting the package deal there, or do
you want to pursue it from the fourth-density relationship and
getting the package deal with that?
So yes a whole new world has opened
up for you which can do nothing but enrich you in the long run.
I have one question. Back in this needs issue, I'm pursuing or
engaged in a relationship by intention at the fourth density,
and I find that there's a tendency to go back and forth. The
intention is to maintain the fourth density, and if I don't stay
conscious of that intention really clearly, then there's a
tendency to think I need to fall into third density and fulfill
needs for the other person. And even if I'm able to say, "No, I
refuse to do that," then I start sometimes feeling guilty that
if I'm involving the other person totally at a fourth-density
level, then there's no room for them to get their needs met by
somebody else if that's their choice.
Ahhh, but there is. We are sorry, but would you narrow the
question and ask it again.
Well, I guess, the bottom-line question with that as a set up
is I don't understand why I even feel concerned that I'm
depriving them of getting their physical or physiological needs
met by another person, if that's the case, from my third-density
You cannot deprive another person. If they feel deprived, it's
I appreciate that, but why does it seem to be my choice to
feel like I'm doing that? That's my question.
Because you are making the transition from third to fourth, and
you're recognizing the specific areas that you would like to
clear. There is a part of you which still needs to feel
validated by providing for another. And like we say with the
soup, that need is okay. It needs to be seen and put in the pot
in order to transform into the soup.
So your seeing that in yourself is
I follow, and I feel it's a very good answer, and I can tune
into it. But that still doesn't mean that I would then meet
those needs? Just recognizing them rather than meeting them.
We're not understanding the exact question.
Well, I think you are because you answered it perfectly! You
said that when I recognized the need that I would then put them
in the pot. But does that mean that I would then be physically
satisfying those needs, or just recognizing that her needs
That doesn't matter. You are not responsible for whether her
needs are met or not. All you are responsible for is what in
your integrity you would like to give to a relationship. That is
all you are responsible for.
What Sasha is not saying is that you cannot satisfy those
needs of another person.
But you can play out that game, pulling yourself back into third
density, which is exactly what I do not want to do. But
sometimes I seem to feel that I could just get out of the way
and she could get her needs satisfied whatever way she wanted
but that's depriving the potential of the fourth-density
Literally 75% of anger in relationships stems from one partner
or the other believing or being angry that the other person is
not fulfilling needs. Seventy-five percent. Now, imagine what a
relationship would be like if you did not need to be fulfilled
For one thing, the level of anger
would be very, very low - hidden anger, hostility, nearly
You cannot know what the other person's needs are. They will not
verbalize them; sometimes they don't even know themselves on the
conscious level. If you try to get caught in the game of
satisfying those needs, you will get caught because it is a
game, and because the person is seeking to have needs met
outside of themselves, they will never be satisfied, and then
they will be angry.
So all I can do is present myself at my fourth-density
awareness, and let it be whatever it ends up being. And just be
pure in my own intention.
One of the things that we ran into was that I finally started
examining what I felt my needs were, and my two basic needs were
safety and protection. My husband tried to provide that safety
and protection for me, but he would have no idea how I want that
provided. In other words, my idea of safety was for him to put
his arm around me every time we walked into a room, but he
didn't know that that was what I wanted.
Exactly. You can never second-guess another person, whether
you're trying to protect them from their emotions or you're
trying to communicate to them, you cannot know, so the only
thing that you can do is be 100% who you are. Period.
So this now leaves us with one more need: the need for
somebody to be with us that maintains the fourth-density
intention also. Obviously that is a trap.
If you have that need, you're not in fourth density. You are
still playing the third-density game.
Is one of the reasons that new relationships are so
delightful is because we haven't started manipulating the other
Yes, there has not been time yet for the new person to fulfill
or not fulfill your needs. That's why that sense of ecstasy is
there. However, as soon as they either start fulfilling you or
not fulfilling you, the anger, whether covert or overt, starts
setting in, and that's when the manipulation and the control
That is so correct, because I was just thinking about the new
relationship I was in, and it started out, I remember saying, "I
don't expect anything from it," and then I realized about two
months into it that I couldn't say that anymore, I expected a
If the excitement and the romance does not peter out by its own
nature then it's simply sabotaged to death. Am I on track?
Yes. Now the Pleiadian relationships framework can be likened to
the beginning of your relationships when your expectations were
very low and you are truly in the level of enjoyment, ecstasy,
play, caring and sharing. That taken 100-fold deeper is what our
relationships are like all the time.
So when you have no expectations about the other person
fulfilling your needs, what a load off your mind that is, what a
load off your energy. You can enjoy yourself, you can truly
experience unconditional love.
The conditional love that is felt in
third density is the love you will give if your needs are met,
and if your needs are not met you don't give that love.
Can you begin to experience that love while still having the
needs and recognizing them also?
So we don't have to wait for our needs to be gone for us to
experience this love?
Correct. Again, it's not a light switch going on and off. It's a
gradual movement from third- to fourth-density thinking.
I know a lot of people right now would chuck the whole
fourth-density idea if they thought they had to manually clear
all their needs before they got there.
By recognizing when you are conditionally loving someone, you
then know there's an issue, so then you can actually go through
it by turning that around to unconditionally loving them in
spite of the issue. It will just automatically start unfolding.
Yes. What wonderful things await all of you! We know that your
relationships are painful, and we've heard comments that humans
have made such as,
"If you can't feel the pain, you
can't feel the ecstasy."
In third density, that makes a lot
of sense. In fourth density, that idea cannot exist. You all
have a tremendous amount of love and joy locked within you that
will begin to blossom when you stop expecting another person to
validate you, when you stop expecting another person to make you
feel whole. Once that idea is relinquished, you will soar.
That love that you will contain will be beyond what you can now
conceive. You are moving in that direction, and those of you who
choose to embrace the fourth-density idea - whether diving right
in or taking it baby steps - going to start seeing changes, and
you're going to start feeling changes inside of yourself.
The pain will start to subside. The
joy will start to grow, and we truly are excited to watch this
happen because you will start to begin to see your divine
connection. You will start to begin to know truly the beams of
love that you really are.
We would like to honor you and acknowledge you for taking a path
that, yes, is difficult. But we would also like to remind you
that if you were incapable of taking the path you never would
have chosen it.
And so, we would like to close this
evening with that acknowledgement and recognition of all that
you've chosen, for like the analogy of the soup and the carrot,
the things that you see now that you don't like in yourself,
that you judge, that you're angry at, are so valuable because
they make up the soup. If you judge them, they will stay there
on the counter, and they will always be an issue. But if you
allow them to exist and you take them with you in your growth,
they will transform.
Much, much, much love to each and every one of you. It has been
an absolute joy to have been a part of your gathering this
evening, and it is our sensing that we will speak again on this
Much love and goodnight.