Martin: Well, Bush and
Saddam were business partners. We’ve covered
that in recent past issues of our newspaper.
Phelps: Sure. That’s why they never killed
Saddam. They could have
easily killed him. The CIA can kill anybody they want to. They could
have easily killed Saddam and got out. They could use their own Arab
agents in there. Saddam was a very important tool.
Martin: Still is.
Phelps: Still is, sure. They keep the Arab peoples and nations at
bay by controlling them through their leaders. Or, when they start
to get out of control in their Moslem fanaticism, they then foment a
war and kill off a whole bunch of them. Make sense?
Martin: There was a statement you made in your book about the
Jesuits controlling the Nation of Islam, and that was almost a
surprising statement to read. I would think that someone like Louis
Farrakhan would be pretty adamant.
Phelps: Yeah, he would hate me for that one. Well, let’s think a
little bit here:
Chicago is ruled by the Archbishop of Chicago, a Cardinal. It was
Cody; I don’t know who it is now.
Do you think anything goes down in
Chicago without the Cardinal’s approval?
Where was the Nation of Islam founded? Chicago.
Where is Louis Farrakhan’s - that murderer’s - mansion? Chicago. He
lives like a king.
What does he hand out? He hands out the
Protocols Of The Learned
Elders Of Zion to all of deluded Black Nation of Islam people, so
that they can hate the Jews, just like the Klu Klux Klan.
That’s right. Those three little tidbits, right there, prove that
the Nation of Islam is totally under Jesuit control. They are going
to be used to foment anarchy and agitation, because they have an
army called “the fruit of Islam”, and they have millions of rounds
stored in all the major cities - guns stored everywhere, so that they
can start the race war. And when that happens, you see, then the
brothers in Washington can implement Martial Law, suspend the
Constitution, and now the Jesuits have what they want.
So, they use these Blacks in the North, who hate the White people,
for their own destruction, for the destruction of the Black people
themselves. And the Nation of Islam is part of that.
When I was in the Air Force, and in jail for about 10-15 days, about
10 years ago, the Nation of Islam was paramount, or tried to
be paramount, there. All the Blacks in jail become Moslems. It’s a
“hate the White man” religion. Every White man is a White, blue-eyed
Devil. And they’re playing - the Zodiac killer, back in California
many years ago, all Moslems. So it’s a “hate the White man”
religion, designed to foment agitation and unrest.
Martin Lucifer King was intimately involved with them. The only
problem is, Malcolm X got on to it. He realized he was being used
and he separated from it. Then he ceased to be an agitator.
Martin: Malcolm X was way ahead of his time.
Phelps: Yeah. Malcolm X was a good guy.
Martin: Yes, he was.
Phelps: Malcolm X, even though he was used by the Jesuits, because
he hated the King James Bible, he was a great agitator. When he went
to Mecca, he changed.
Martin: Yes, he did.
Phelps: And when he came back, he stopped being an agitator. He
stopped hating the White man. He started to set up the
African-American Movement. And as a result, he was assassinated by
the high leaders of the FBI and the Nation of Islam.
And what do they both have in common? High-level
And so, we have the Masons in control of the Nation of Islam and the
Klu Klux Klan - one agitating Blacks, and the other agitating Whites,
to the glory of the Jesuit Order. The other Civil Rights Movement
had the Jesuits behind that - with LaFarge. Jesuit LeFarge was a great
mover and shaker of the Civil Rights Movements. And that agitation
resulted in amalgamation, race-mixing, the destruction of a White
race and a Black race, producing a nation of hybrids that cannot
maintain free government.
That is what they proposed to do in the first Reconstruction, but it
failed; so they succeeded in the second Reconstruction in the ’60s.
The Jesuits are masters of the races. They know their strengths and
The only race who successfully resisted the Jesuit Order is the
White, Anglo-Celtic, Saxon race, with a Bible in one hand and a gun
in the other. And so they’ve got to take the Bible away, they’ve got
to take the gun away, and they’ve got to destroy that race. And
that’s what they are essentially doing here. I know that’s a racist
statement, but I’m sorry, it’s just the way it is. That’s history,
and that’s what they’re doing.
Martin: The relationship between
Communism and Freemasonry. Where do
the Jesuits fit into Communism and Freemasonry?
Phelps: Let’s, first of all, look at the
relationship of Jesuitism
to Communism. The Jesuits perfected the tenets of Communism on their
reductions in Paraguay, for 150 years, from 1600-1750.
Martin: What is a reduction?
Phelps: A reduction is a commune. In Israel they would call it a
kibbutz. In Joseph Stalin’s Russia they would call it a commune. In
New York they call it a village. In France, Paris, they called it a
commune. It’s communal living where everybody is equal in their
finances, in the labors; you have no great, no small, no rich, no
poor - everybody is small, and everybody is poor, and everybody is
controlled by a dictator. That’s the essence of Communism.
The Jesuits, on the reductions in Paraguay, which were the communes,
had a central bank, and it was “each according to their ability and
each according to their need”. And so, the Guarani Indians that were
the subjects - and there were some 200,000 of these South American
Indian natives who were slaves of the Jesuits, putting their goods
into world commerce and trade. They were living under the tenets of
Communism, perfected by the Jesuits, as outlined in Plato’s
and Sir Thomas Moore’s Utopia. The Jesuits perfected it on their
With that, they then introduced Communism in 1848 through
They tutored him in the British Museum, according to Alberto Rivera,
So Marx, the Jewish Freemason, was to be the one to put forward this
Communism for the world, so that Communism would look like a Jewish
brain-child, so that Communism could be blamed on the Jews. Well,
what’s NOT told is that the Jews involved in the implementing of
Communism were Masonic Jews. Karl Marx was a 33rd-degree Freemason,
a worshipper of Lucifer, whose father wanted nothing to do with him,
because his father was a Baptist preacher.
Jewish Freemasonry, controlled by the Jesuits, implemented Communism
in Russia. Lenin, the half-Jew, was a Freemason. That civil war that
took place from 1917-1922, for 5 years, was given the appearance
that it was primarily Yiddish. I mean, they’re on the streets of
Russia talking Yiddish; they had Yiddish signs; and it was wanted to
give the impression to the world that this revolution was of Jewish
For 10 years after the revolution, the Jews faired very well, but in
1922, Joseph Stalin, that great Jew-hater, who was educated by
Jesuits in Georgia - which was a country south of Russia and,
therefore, the Emperor’s banning of the Jesuits from Russia, his
Ukase, made him Secretary of the Communist Party in 1922, until he
died in 1953.
The Jesuits used Freemasonry and, of course, Stalin was also a
brother Freemason. They used Freemasonry to implement Communism in
Russia, and from there, China, and from there, throughout the world.
When Germany had their revolution after World War I, their Communist
revolution - remember, they requested an armistice - they had never
been beaten on the field of battle.
The Germans were foisted into that war; they never started World War
I. It was started by France and Russia and England, for the purpose
of destroying Germany, because Germany had expelled the Jesuits.
During that war, the Germans requested an armistice to stop this
Communist revolution in Germany.
And who lead the revolution? The German Freemasons.
According to the Kaiser, in his memoirs, it was German Freemasonry
that got him off his throne and deposed him. He had to go into exile
in Holland. He wrote his memoirs in 1935.
So the relationship between Jesuitism, Communism and Freemasonry we
see evolving and expanding from the 1600s to the ultimate
achievement in the Bolshevik Revolution.
In my book, I parallel the French Revolution and the Bolshevik
Revolution, and they are identical. It was French Freemasonry that
caused the French Revolution and the Jacobins, and it was the
Freemasons in Russia, with Bolsheviks, who caused the Russian
Revolution, with their Bolsheviks, leading and ending in Joseph
Stalin. In France, it ended with Napoleon; in Russia, it ended with
Stalin. And so, that’s the relationship there.
Martin: Why was Eugene Sue so significant?
Phelps: Eugene Sue wrote his masterpiece The Wandering Jew, and in
that masterpiece he weaves a fantastic story from India to England
to France, of the power of the Jesuit Order and their attempt to
destroy the Rennepont family, a French Huguenot Protestant family,
and acquire a fortune that’s due to be inherited by the members of
that family on a certain day, at a certain time, in a certain year.
Well, that fortune is held, in trust, by a Jew, for which reason the
book is named The Wandering Jew. It tells of the power of the Jesuit
Order in that book, and how the Jesuits mercilessly killed all these
members of the did not reach to Georgia. So the Jesuits stayed in Georgia, trained
Joseph Stalin, brought him in after the Revolution, and Rennepont family so they could not inherit their fortune.
The only one, I believe, they didn’t kill was a priest, whose name
was Gabriel, who was a decent and a righteous Catholic priest who
repudiated the Jesuit Order. He ordered the Jew to burn all the
securities, that totaled something like $212 million, that would
have rightfully been this French family’s.
So, the Jesuits didn’t get it, nor did the French family get it.
It’s written with such drama and feeling that you cannot put this
book down. It was translated into many different languages. As a
result, the French, and other nations, had their French Revolution,
the second French Revolution of 1848. But because it was not lead by
Godly men, it benefited the Jesuits.
Whenever you have a revolution led by unGodly men, it’s just like a
man who’s on a horse, trying to be pushed off the horse, and as he’s
pushed off, another dictator takes his place. That’s exactly what
happened in France, and Italy, and the nations who were involved in
that second French Revolution.
But Eugene Sue had motivated the people of France to expel the
Jesuits, and they were finally expelled in 1880 by a French
Freemason, in the 3rd Republic, Leon Gambetta. So, they’re all
Freemasons who resist them, but they pay with their lives, like
Garfield, like Gambetta, Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt. Roosevelt
really didn’t resist them; he just was killed by them.
Martin: Again, I’m jumping around.
Martin: What was Operation Mongoose?
Phelps: Operation Mongoose was purely “black ops” in the words of
Fletcher Prouty. Of course, Fletcher Prouty I consider the authority
on what Operation Mongoose was. Operation Mongoose was to “give the
appearance” of resistance to Castro’s government by attacking Cuba
but, in effect, solidified his reign there.
That’s what it
ultimately produced. And that’s what the Knights and the CIA
ultimately wanted. Ok?
The agreement that Kennedy made over the Cuban missile crisis in
1962 - first of all, there was no missile crisis. There’s no such
thing as nuclear war. There’s no such thing as a nuclear attack.
That’s all a hoax. It’s just as much a hoax as going and landing on
the Moon. It’s a hoax.
Nuclear war, that fear, was the basis for the Cuban missile crisis.
And out of that hoax, Kennedy strikes a secret deal with Khrushchev
that, if you keep the missiles out of Cuba, we won’t bother Castro
anymore. Well, that’s what the Jesuits wanted anyway. They wanted to
solidify Castro in power.
So that whole theatrical performance solidified Castro’s power in
Cuba. And the question is: Why would the Jesuits create this
fanatical power in Cuba, run down the Cuban people, put them in
poverty, imprison them at random, create a living hell down there,
drive out the Mafia - the Mafia could no longer have their casinos in
Why would the Mafia give up their casinos? For the international
drug trade to be developing out of Vietnam.
Therefore, if the Mafia is leaving, and we don’t have a bunch of
American tourists going down to Cuba anymore, and Cuba is really a
secret country - the Bible is not allowed there, missionaries are not
allowed in, obviously under Jesuit control, Castro was trained by
Jesuits - what’s the purpose of Cuba under Castro?
It’s purpose is as a landing base for foreign invasion. They have
hundreds of vehicles, underground, in underground caves there, ready
for a massive invasion to the East Coast, primarily the South.
Because the last of the Protestants in this country are in the
Cuba will always be under a dictator and will never go back to
freedom, because it is to be a landing base. And you know what? It
could very well be a landing base for a Jihad that the Moslems will
foment against us, because they’ll come right across from Africa to
Cuba, get reinforced, and then go landing into Florida, with all
their 5th-Column Cubans in Florida and Miami right now. Sounds wild,
but - .
Martin: That’s a sobering thought.
Phelps: Yes, it is. Sounds wild, but I’m telling you, all the
geography is in place. However, they can’t pull this all off until
they get your guns. So that’s why they’re constantly creating these
gun issues - people shooting people, the Columbine High School bit - to
justify the confiscation of all the guns. And when that happens,
then they can do what they want to do.
Martin: There are a lot of strong Americans out there.
Phelps: The only problem is this: they’re not united and they can’t
be lead. Americans are leaderless because they do not follow. They
all think their opinions are equal, and they’re not. I would follow
General Patton anywhere. I wouldn’t question an order of his. We
don’t have men like that today, for the most part, because we don’t
have leaders like that today.
Martin: I found your account of
Patton’s assassination fascinating,
also your speaking of the Jesuits’ poisoning of him.
Phelps: A member of the OSS came out in the SPOTLIGHT [newspaper]
and said that. His name was Zapata, that agent. He said he was given
a contract on Patton for $10,000. He didn’t kill him, but he knows
the guy who did. So, Patton was murdered, and General Vlasov was
murdered, and both of them hated the Jesuits’ “Grand Inquisitor”,
Joseph Stalin. They would have united together to eradicate Russia
of that dictator, but the Jesuits would not have it because Russia
is theirs. They must control the Orthodox Church to bring it back to
Rome. That’s why they got rid of the Romanoffs.
Martin: Patton’s take-out was ordered by “Wild” Bill Donovan? Did I
Phelps: That’s right. Wild Bill Donovan was the head of the OSS at
the time. And if you get Anthony K. Brown’s The Last Hero, it’s on
Wild Bill Donovan. He is in the Vatican at the end of his life, in a
picture, walking in the Vatican to receive one of the highest medals
from the Pope, for a “lifetime” of intelligence service to the
Vatican. That is in The Last Hero and the picture is mesmerizing. I
want to put it in my book.
The OSS is nothing but an arm of
the CIA and the Vatican, and that’s
why they took out Kennedy. They kill all the generals who don’t
Martin: Let’s talk about the CIA and the FBI some more. What can you
tell me about their relationship to Count von Kolvenbach?
Phelps: Well, based upon the past, if the CIA and the FBI carried
out the assassination under Spellman, and Janseens was the Jesuit
General then, the same power structure is in place. So, von Kolvenbach, through his
Knights of Malta and Jesuits, control the
FBI and CIA. And his liason of control is now
Cardinal O’Connor in
Martin: Some time ago, with
Gunther Russbacher and others, there was
talk about a split in the CIA, of different factions. Some even say
there is a third faction in the CIA that has split off. What’s your
opinion about factional divisions within the CIA?
Phelps: I think it’s true. I know that
Angelton was the mole.
Angelton was the one who betrayed all those CIA agents in Russia, in
which the vast majority of them were killed, when he gave all that
information to that KGB kingpin on a farm in New York, in a van,
stuffed with all the highest, top secret CIA documents. Ok?
Colby comes along as the Director of the CIA
- I know his brother, he
lives nearby me - Colby comes along as the Director of the CIA and
what does he do? He fires Angelton. Bad news for Colby.
Martin: Yeah, it was.
Phelps: They filled him up with lead. Eric Timm, he was also against
Angleton; he was history. That’s all told in Anthony K. Brown’s work
Treason In The Blood. There’s a whole little chapter on Eric Timm
and some of the other guys in the CIA who were against Angelton.
They all died. So there’s a faction in the CIA that knows that
something is rotten in Denmark, and they don’t quite know what it
is. Hopefully, they’ll read my book and see that the CIA is just an
arm of the Jesuit Order and Knights of Malta, carrying out the
Council of Trent and the Pope’s temple power, and will REVOLT, and
start to tell the truth themselves.
It’s the same way in the FBI. My father lectured at the FBI Academy.
He wanted to be in the FBI, but his parents were Communists, so he
was not let in by J. Edgar Hoover. But the FBI has low-level agents
who wonder just what’s going on. A lot of them didn’t approve of
what happened in Waco.
They need to come out and tell the truth. This whole “house of
cards” - and that’s what it is, this is not an undefeatable,
invincible monster - it’s a house of cards; it plays on FEAR. If men
would tell the truth, and come out and tell what they know, and not
be afraid, this whole house of cards would crumble. That’s what they
need to do.
Martin: Who is Avery Dulles?
Phelps: Avery Dulles is the son of John Foster Dulles, Secretary of
State, I believe, under Eisenhower. Avery Dulles is a Jesuit, and he
was the nephew of the head of the CIA during the Kennedy
assassination, who was Allan Dulles. And Allan Dulles was a
Freemason, also called “the gentleman spy” in the book The Gentleman
Martin: What was Angelton’s role in the Kennedy assassination?
Phelps: Angelton was the one who was to “investigate” it on the part
of the CIA. (laughter) Angelton also, I believe, was liaison to the Warren Commission
that was Dulles. But Angelton and Dulles were working together on
that, because Angelton was the Chief of Counter-Intelligence and he
manned the Vatican Desk, and he manned the Israeli Desk.
See how they’re maintaining the Zionists in power, with the Israeli
Desk? So, they saved Israel’s hide in the ’73 war, because Kissinger
almost lost it for them. Alexander Haig gave them, the Israelis,
those anti-tank missiles, and got them in their hands before the
Egyptians got into Israel and disabled them. That was Alexander Haig, Knight of Malta, for which reason he was also the Supreme
Allied Commander for NATO, promoted over 260 of his peers.
Martin: Do you know anything about Haig’s statement “I’m in charge
now!” Do you remember that?
Phelps: Yeah, I do. I don’t know all of the implications, but I’m
sure it fits in with him being, in fact, in charge in the Nixon
Martin: Ok, I want to go back to the Kennedy assassination, and I’m
going to just mention some names: Clay Shaw, Jim Garrison, J. Peter
Grace, Henry Luce, E. Howard Hunt, John McCone. Why are they so
important to this story?
Phelps: Give me one and we’ll start with one.
Martin: Let’s start with
Phelps: Clay Shaw was a Knight of Malta. He was the head of the international trade mart in New Orleans.
Roman Catholic, homosexual, multi-millionaire, lived lavishly, etc.
Clay Shaw was the personal friend of David Ferry. David Ferry was a
CIA agent, and was also a pilot for Carlos Marchello - the CIA and the
Mafia together. Clay Shaw also was a friend of Lee Oswald, and
Garrison proves it.
Here we have Clay Shaw, who was in the
CIA. It was admitted by
Richard Helms that Clay Shaw was a “contract agent” for the CIA, and
the highest security involved in the Kennedy assassination, because
he gets an attorney for Dean Andrews who’s subpoenaed by Garrison.
So, if Clay Shaw is involved, he’s a Knight of Malta, he’s high CIA,
and he can’t go down.
That’s why the court was packed. The judge was biased against
Garrison. The defense of Shaw was unlike any before. There was a guy
behind, whispering to the defense attorney. That’s not allowed in a
Shaw HAD to be found innocent, because if he was found guilty, now
the CIA is going down. Now we’re going to have a revolution. So,
Clay Shaw had to be found not guilty.
But it wasn’t many years after that, he died under suspicious
conditions and never had an autopsy. He died of lung cancer. But
he’s part of the brotherhood, and the Jesuits are very powerful in
Martin: John McCone.
Phelps: John McCone was a very powerful industrialist, and one who
was part of the military-industrial complex, before he became the
head of the CIA. He later went on to become part of, I believe, ITT.
John McCone was another Knight of Malta, head of the
participated in the Kennedy assassination by virtue of him being its
head. And he’s Knight of Malta.
Angelton is a Knight of Malta.
Henry Luce is a Knight of Malta.
William F. Buckley is a Knight of Malta. And William F. Buckley then
ran the National Review - and what does he do? He blames Oswald as the
Where was the picture concocted, for
Oswald, as though his head is
put on this body that’s not his? It was concocted, probably, I
believe, in the Time-Life Building, when they did that, because
Time-Life has a whole bunch of CIA agents in it. And, remember,
Time-Life is right across the street from St. Patrick’s Cathedral,
where Cardinal Spellman was ruling from.
So, Spellman was overseeing the whole thing, with Henry Luce. And,
if you get Luce And His Empire, there is a picture in there of
Cardinal Spellman, Luce, Grace, Clare Boothe Luce, and Dean Rusk, on
the 1963, 4-year anniversary of Time magazine in the Waldorf
Astoria, only months before the Kennedy assassination. And there’s
Dean Rusk, the architect of the Vietnam War, according to the words
of his own son.
Ok, who’s the other one? Howard Hunt. Howard Hunt is a CIA agent, of
He said he was never in Dallas the day of the assassination, but
Mark Lane proved that he was. Thank God for Mark Lane. Here’s
another Jew getting in the way of the Vatican. Just like
Ellsberg - here’s another Jew getting in the way of the Vatican’s
You see Jews who are getting in the way of the Vatican, and the
Jesuits are furious about it. So here’s Mark Lane; he’s openly
defeated William F. Buckley in court before; now he proves that
Howard Hunt is a CIA agent, in Dallas the day of the assassination.
The jury came forward with that verdict, and who is Howard Hunt?
Howard Hunt is a personal friend of Henry Luce, a correspondent for
Time-Life. He’s a personal friend of William F. Buckley. He goes to
one of Buckley’s parties at the New York Yacht Club. He knows them
both. He knows two of the High Knights.
And guess what? Guess what
Howard Hunt is called? He’s called
I wonder what he was - Knight of Columbus, or whatever. But he’s
involved with the brotherhood.
So he was there on the day of
the assassination, intimate with Luce and Buckley. Just as the
chart says on my web page. And by the way, your readers need to
Martin: I’m going to mention a few more names.
Phelps: Oh, J. Peter Grace we forgot. J. Peter Grace was the head of
the Knights of Malta in 1963. He is the head of W. R. Grace, and
he’s one of the largest shipping tycoons in the world, in control of
all the shipping in South America. Grace is a powerful man, or was a
Martin: Has anyone filled his shoes?
Phelps: Yes, Flynn is head of the Knights of Malta now, down in
Florida where there new office is. They moved from New York to
Florida, I think Bocca Raton. They have 11 Knights of Malta on the
W. R. Grace board. And, of course, guess who owns Taco Bell? W. R. Grace.
So now we see W. R. Grace involved in the poisoning of America with
fast-food chains, so everybody gets heart disease, clogged arteries,
so they can go to bypass surgery and further enrich the medical
profession, while carrying out their medical inquisition. Isn’t that
clear? So not only are they going to kill all of the American
people, but they’re going to make billions doing it.
Martin: I’m sure they’re laughing all the way to the bank.
Phelps: They sure are. And where Grace did his banking, W. R. Grace,
they did their banking at Chemical Bank in New York. Guess who runs
Chemical Bank? Knights of Malta.
Martin: Jim Garrison was a very brave guy.
Phelps: Yes, he was. He lost his marriage. He lost his children. He
suffered greatly through this, doing what he did.
Martin: Ok, I want to talk about the movie JFK. You mention the
Jesuits, in control of Time-Warner, produced Oliver Stone’s movie
JFK. What was the reason for this? To just further cement,
subliminally in the minds of the American people, their absolute
Phelps: I think that might be part of it. But, I think it’s a test.
It’s a test: tell the American people the truth to see what they
will do about it. And they did nothing.
And that was the end of Garrison, or Kevin Costner’s speech, in the
courtroom, when he said “It’s up to you.” And he looks directly into
the camera. So, he’s looking at us.
That was a call to do something about it. It’s a test. What will we
do? And you know what was done? Nothing. The men in power, the men
in the know, the men who could have said something, did nothing. So
that was the purpose of the movie.
Meanwhile, they interweave all these Jesuit subliminals all
throughout the movie: “Black is white, white is black” - when Garrison
is at the restaurant, talking to his people - that’s Ignatius Loyola.
David Ferry shows pictures of his Catholic uniform there, and Satan
pictures in his apartment, all very much Jesuitism.
There were a couple of other things I noticed that I can’t quite
remember. Oh, they had a subliminal “study the past”. It goes on
there, it’s on a building or something, “study the past”. And they
said: “It’s like Caesar; he’s not in the loop.” Well, Caesar was
murdered by those close to him. And the ones who murdered Caesar
were the priests of Rome. There’s all kinds of subliminals in that
movie which point to the power of the Jesuit Order, all over. The
assassination - right after they take his body out of Parkland
Hospital, they’ve got the cross on it, the crucifix. That is a very
unique, Jesuit crucifix.
When I was at a Jesuit retreat in Redding one day, I just wanted to
walk through the place. I wanted to see where these sinners rule
from, so I thought I would walk through the place and check out the
rooms. It just so happened that the Jesuits were on the second
floor, by themselves. So I went to the first floor and the third
floor, and looked into the rooms.
They were little, tiny rooms, and
on every bed is a crucifix with a crucified person on it. It’s not
the Jesus Christ of the Bible; it’s their Jesus Christ. And that’s
the same exact crucifix that was put on the coffin, in the movie,
when they’re shipping the coffin out.
And get a load of this: the guy who came to give Kennedy the Last
Rites, Oscar Hubert, his superior was the Bishop of Dallas, by the
name of Thomas Gorman. Bishop Thomas Gorman was a Knight of Malta,
answerable directly to Cardinal Spellman.
Martin: Let’s talk about
Cardinal Spellman. Who was he? Why was he
so important? You say, in the book, he really was the man behind it.
Martin: Why do you say that?
Phelps: Cardinal Spellman was, first, very much involved in politics
all of his life. Remember, he was trained by the Jesuits at Fordham.
He was trained by Jesuits at the American College in Rome. When he
came back here, he was taken care of by Nicholas Brady and his wife,
multi-billionaires in control of Union Carbide, and various banks,
Spellman was part of getting FDR into office, although I believe
Cardinal Hayes was the Cardinal. Guess who FDR names as his
international agent, during World War II? Francis Spellman. Francis
Spellman was throughout the war-front during World War II, going to
and from the Vatican, the Allied Army, etc. And, with that, he built
a huge network of contacts. He, also, of course, had contacts with
So, by the time of the Kennedy assassination, we have
Spellman here, who helped the Nazis get into the United States, with
I met one of those Nazis about 6 months ago. I call him Pete. He
showed me his Nazi SS overcoat, which is a beautiful overcoat - I’d
love to have it. And it was the FBI who brought all of these High
Nazis in and resettled them, and gave them money to settle.
Who did that? Francis Spellman, by helping those criminals escape
the theater of Europe so that they could not be prosecuted. It’s
called the “Vatican Ratline” that Loftus writes about in his Unholy
So, Spellman is involved in getting the SS out, helping
the Ustashis. Spellman is involved in this whole second 30 Years War of
the Vatican in Europe, outlined by Edmond Paris in his Vatican
And so, he is in a perfect place to carry out the assassination. He
has contacts with the Knights of Malta in England, with the Knights
he controls in America; he has his Jesuit contacts who trained him
at Fordham and Rome; he was a personal friend of Pius XII during the
He was a personal friend of the secret cold-warrior,
VI. So he is the perfect man, with all of the connections, to carry
it out. He has contacts with the CIA, the Knights from the CIA, the
Knights from the FBI, in the person of Carthe DeLouthe, who still
lives. He had contacts with high-level Freemasonry, with people like
J. Edgar Hoover and their raving against Communism, Communism,
Communism - international, Godless, Jew Communism.
He and Hoover are bosom, probably bed, partners. And so,
in a place to be in control of the CIA, the FBI, the Mafia, and
through Freemasonry, the Dallas Police Department - like they control
every major city’s P.D. And so he carries it out.
And then he’s also in control of the press, in control of Time and
Life, with Henry Luce, so the press never gets it. He’s in control
of CBS, with a man named Frank Shakespeare, who was the head of CBS
at the time.
So you think Walter Cronkite is going to tell us the truth? No way.
He’s in control of CBS, NBC, ABC. They have stocks in it, for
heaven’s sake. So, there’s no way the story’s getting out. And he’s
in control of the CIA to hit and kill anybody who wants to come out
and tell the truth, which is why there’s over a hundred dead
witnesses over the last 30 years.
That’s why they took out Fensterwald, in 1992, outlined in the book
by that CIA agent First Hand Knowledge, by Morrow. He was a
agent. He was in on the Kennedy assassination. He completely
outlines it in his book, and he tells of that relationship of the
CIA to killing Fensterwald. He dedicates his book to Fensterwald.
So, how’s it getting out? This is only getting out by fearless
preachers, who preach the Word of God, and aren’t afraid of telling
the truth politically, trusting God that He will move and do His
part, now that we’ve done our part.
Martin: FBI Director Hoover, Earl Warren, Gerald Ford,
Johnson - Jesuit tools?
Phelps: Jesuit tools. All 33rd-Degree Freemasons. And remember, the
Council of the 33rd Degree is located in Washington. They control
all of the Shriners in this country. Washington is controlled by the
Jesuits from Georgetown.
The capital of the United States is at Georgetown University, not
the White House.
And if you go into the president’s office at Georgetown, you will
see a picture of Bill Clinton, kneeling at the grave of Timothy
Healy [ past president of Georgetown], while the present president,
Donovan, who is on the Walt Disney Board, is standing behind him.
I wanted that picture; I wanted a copy of that picture. Those people
threw me out of that office. They would not let me have a copy of
it. I sent another person, a lady, up there. They would not give it
to her. I want that picture, for my book, of Bill Clinton kneeling
at the grave of these Jesuits. Can’t get it. But if you go in the
president’s office, it’s there.
Georgetown is the capital. They control all Freemasonry. In fact, if
you go to Maryland, they’ve got the great big lodge across from a
great big Jesuit institution, in Baltimore - a great huge Shriner
Lodge is across the street from a Jesuit University. And they’re
Martin: I want to talk about Bill Clinton in a minute, but before we
get to him, who is Cartha DeLoach?
Phelps: Cartha DeLoach
- his sir name was
Deke. He was the
3rd-in-command of the FBI at the time of the Kennedy assassination.
Cartha DeLoach was the real head of the FBI. Hoover was a wimp. His
queer buddy, Tolson, who was nothing, was second in command.
So Hoover and Tolson were just figure-heads. The real head of the
FBI was Cartha DeLoach, the Knight of Malta, Roman Catholic, subject
to Cardinal Spellman.
Cartha DeLoach fabricated evidence, covered-up evidence in the FBI,
in the Kennedy assassination. That was proven by Jim Garrison.
Cartha DeLoach went on to retire. He went on to work for a huge
industry corporation called PepsiCo, which the Knights of Malta
control, and which have ranches in Communist China, which they set
up. And he still lives.
Cartha DeLoach wrote a book called
Hoover’s FBI. You can get it at
the bookstores. In that book he tells about the Secret Service, the
FBI, and the Jesuits.
Martin: Why do you refer to the
Kennedy assassination as the
“Achilles’ Heel” of the Jesuits?
Phelps: Because, if it’s ever known that the Jesuits killed our
first Roman Catholic President, if the Roman Catholics of
Northeastern America ever find that out, and ever believe it, the
Jesuits are finished here.
This country is the keystone to implementing the temporal power of
the Pope around the world. If this country would expel the Jesuits,
and we get back our national sovereignty, and we started to be
self-governing once again, we would have our liberty, and the
Jesuits would be out, and we would begin to experience REAL
financial prosperity, and REAL living.
So, if that is known that the Jesuits are the ones behind it, that
Rome carried this out, the Catholics of the Northeast would have a
revolution. We would have another revolution because American Roman
Catholics are not like Catholics in any other country: they think.
They have their own opinion. They believe in freedom of conscience.
They believe they have the right to express themselves.
Catholics in Poland don’t believe that. Catholics in Italy wouldn’t
dare believe that. But the Catholics here do. They have a lot of
Protestant principles. They don’t really comprehend this whole idea
of universal, world-wide temporal power of the Pope. They think it’s
just a religion.
But, if those Catholics in New York, if those two million Roman
Catholics knew that Spellman was behind it, and O’Connor has covered
it up, we’d have a revolution!
Because it’s the Roman Catholics, unfortunately, who only do
anything about things. The Protestants don’t do anything. They’re
all a bunch of wimps, a bunch of cowards. They don’t do anything.