by B. Alan Walton
Turner was a dedicated and compassionate woman who
helped many abductees come to terms with their abusive
alien experiences, and was not afraid to tell the truth,
no matter how bizarre it might have sounded. Karla has
appeared on the Montel Williams show and other programs
to discuss her research. She passed away as a result of
a particularly deadly form of terminal cancer.
She will be missed. Some
suspect that the cancer was induced via radiation
received from earlier abductions, but this cannot be
confirmed. This is a rather extensive interview, so we
will deal with only some of the highlights. Once you
have finished reading the following you, like myself,
may also become a firm advocate of "draconicide"!
CF: You are widely regarded
as one of the leading experts in the field of UFO and
"alien-abduction" research. How did you get started in your
study of these things?
KT: Our family knew nothing about the phenomenon when we started
having UFO sightings and abduction encounters. Being a
researcher, I turned to the UFO literature for an explanation.
When I absorbed what was available, I found no answers that I
felt were trustworthy. I decided that this was a crucial
situation for my family (if not globally), and the only way I
could get answers was to do the research myself.
The only way to
do the research, in this case, was to go out into the field and
HISTORY - "INTO THE FRINGE"
CF: Was "Into the Fringe" the first
result of that? [Karla's first book]
KT: Actually, "Into the Fringe" was not a result of research to
gain answers. It is more of an account of my family's awakening
to, and coping with, these experiences during the first year and
a half, when they were very intense. It was not until after that
that I started to branch out and work with other people.
worked with Barbara Bartholic (Story of A UFO Investigator) on our case, and began working
with her on other cases. Many times she would come to Texas
(where I lived) and we would set up a four-or-five-day work
session, during which people in that area who wanted to work
with her would come to my home. She would interview them and
place them under regressive hypnosis there. I began to learn by
acting as her assistant.
(If Ph.D.'s were available in this
field, Barbara should certainly have one. Working with her
proved to be much more educational than my academic career.)
Then Barbara's caseload got so heavy that she was no longer able
to handle it. It was no longer enough for me to assist, and I
had to being doing preliminary investigative work myself. And
that was how my involvement developed.
CF: We have been finding, in a lot
of cases, that experiencers' parents, sometimes their
great-grandparents have had the same types of encounters that
they have. Is that what you found in your family?
KT: Yes, it is definitely "transgenerational" in Elton's family.
[Elton, Dr. Turner's husband, was given the pseudonym "Casey" in
the books 'Into the Fringe' and 'Taken'. They no longer feel it
is necessary to protect his identity.]
grandmother died, in 1990 or 1991, the family knew she was near
the end of her time here, so they asked her to tell some of the
old stories, and videotaped her response for posterity... My
mother refuses to say anything, because it is just too
frightening to her. She has not yet even finished reading "Into
Each time she reads a page or two, she becomes so
upset that she can't go any further - which tells me that there
is probably a reason for her feelings. I remember that, in 1965,
when I was a senior in high school, a big flap was making
national news. It was one of the few times that I had ever paid
attention to the UFO thing. One day, Mother and I were listening
to the TV while doing something in the kitchen.
was talking about the UFO flap, and I told Mother that if a UFO
landed in the backyard, I probably would go get on it. My
mother, who is extremely gentle, and who never raised her voice
or hit me, stopped what she was doing, grabbed me by both
shoulders and shook me until I felt as if my teeth would fall
All the while, she was saying, forcefully,
"You swear to
me, you will not ever, ever, ever get near one! Don't you dare
even say that!"
It was the only outburst I have ever known my
mother to have in my entire life.
I now know - from research -
that extreme responses like that to this phenomenon are often
indicators that a person has had experiences.
CF: You mentioned the use of
hypnosis, which has been the subject of a lot of controversy.
Some of the other researchers have said that people under
hypnosis can come up with scenarios that did not happen, in
order to please the hypnotist. Some have said that the multiple
levels of experience - where one can break through screen
memories and ferret out buried memories that are different - are artifacts of the process of hypnosis. What are your opinions
about these issues?
KT: I think those positions are completely untenable, they grow
out of what I call armchair research. I don't conceive you will
find them being espoused by anyone who has actually had the
experiences. If they have been through them and want to come
back and talk about what happens when they undergo hypnosis, to
look at what they consciously remember, then we can have a
Right now, they are speaking without knowledge.
are speaking hypothetically, and their opinions are based on
erroneous understandings of the phenomenon, of the experiences,
and of the control exerted upon abductees during these
experiences. It is easy to philosophize any number of
explanations, but that does not mean that those explanations
have any relationship to what is really going on.
are bad hypnotists and good hypnotists.
(Note: A bad hypnosis is
one who in essence takes advantage of the individuals
psychological vulnerability by engaging in what amounts to
'psychological rape'. A good hypnotist will NOT violate a
persons' will, or try to alter their perception of reality, or
inject unsolicited post-hypnotic suggestions in the individuals
mind, or attempt to make them do or believe things that they
would NOT consciously accept while in a waking state. THIS is
the danger of hypnosis.
While in this state, a hypnotic subject
is completely at the mercy of the hypnotist. This is why a
hypnotist dealing with suppressed memories must be someone WHO
CAN BE ABSOLUTELY TRUSTED, and one should NEVER be "put under"
unless there is at least one other trustworthy individual in the
room monitoring the hypnotist. Hypnotism is serious business and
should NOT be attempted by anyone who is not qualified. - Branton).
A bad hypnotist probably can foul up a number of
things. I know that people who have gone to hypnotists for
smoking or dietary problems have sometimes suffered more after
Obviously, some things can be mishandled. But my
experience with hypnosis and the veracity of what is recalled
has, in several cases, been proven to me to be accurate. I have
been able to investigate these cases. At times erroneous
material does surface, or is created because of the situation,
but that is not typical. I conclude that hypnosis is, by and
large, one of the most excellent tools we have.
it may be the only tool we have to get certain pieces of
information (or levels of information) back up to the conscious
state. I have been able to test a number of hypnotically
recalled memories against externally verifiable evidence, and
they have proven to be correct.
CHAMELEONS AND 'NAZIS'
CF: You have found, have you not,
that sometimes there are multiple levels, like the layers of an
onion? An experiencer undergoes hypnosis and comes up with a
scenario, then, when he is regressed to a deeper level, he
breaks through the first level (you find out that it was a
screen memory), and a different scenario emerges.
KT: Yes, and it seems to me that, in some cases, a bottom level
can be reached.
CF: How many layers are there; how deep can you go; and what's
at the bottom?
KT: We have not done enough research to answer any of those
questions without being an armchair philosopher. Typically (not
always) the first recall deals mostly with conscious
information. When the subject is taken to the next deeper level
of the trance state and asked to focus, often what will be
reported is that what was seen was not the same as the conscious
Then a groping process begins.
"This was inaccurate; I feel that something was
wrong; and when I focus, I see that it was not what I thought it
That is a transitional level. There may be only a couple
of levels - as opposed to, say twenty levels - but there
certainly is a cover level, underlain by a more solid
If the subjects are helped to
program their mental computers to penetrate illusion and to
speak only truthful, accurate statements, to, as Barbara has
often said, "clarify vision," then they will recall radically
different scenarios - not expanded versions of the firsts
scenarios, but something quite different from what their
conscious memories had left them with.
There are at least two
levels, and possibly three.
CF: People have told us that they can break through screen
memory after screen memory until they get to a scenario
involving reptilians, and that is as far as they can go. Have
you found that to be the case?
KT: In the few cases that I am very familiar with, when the
"base line" was reached, reptilians were involved.
the greys always involved in the top level?
KT: Sometimes the first level involves greys, sometimes humans,
sometimes Pleiadians, sometimes strange animals.
CF: Abductees tell stories of seeing beings - angelic Nordics,
for example - and then, when they concentrate and try to focus
on their memories of those beings, they disappear, and behind
them are these "lizard people."
KT: I am not familiar with a number of cases. I have heard other
researchers talk about the same thing. In one case that I
recount in "Into the Fringe," James had mostly conscious
recollections and almost no hypnosis. He remembered being drawn
into the proximity of a beautiful "Pleiadian" woman, who was
very alluring and tender, and almost seductive.
She wanted him to come into her
embrace. When he got into the embrace, and thought she was going
to kiss him, she disappeared entirely, and what was left in her
place was a purplish-black, bumpy, almost slimy-looking
character with fairly asymmetrical features. I have encountered
this same type of creature in a couple of other cases. The
entity was very strong. Instead of embracing James, the creature
threw him down on the ground and shoved a two-foot-long tube
down his throat, into his stomach, and pulled up stomach juices.
The next day, he still had some of
the bile taste, the interior of his throat was sore, and he
discovered claw marks around both sides of his neck, where he
had been held down. Whatever the entity was, there was something
claw-like about it (which, of course, matches reptilians).
Maybe, as close as he was to it, he could not perceive the whole
But he could see a bumpy covering,
which could equate to the rough, scaly exterior sometimes
reported to be reptilian. It is described as bumpy, ridged,
bony, strong, clawed.
CF: Apparently these beings have the ability to project
KT: Some people say that they transform - that they mutate or
change their own real forms. I don't accept that as accurate. I
don't believe they really look like a blond, and they do
something to trick you and then they suddenly look like a
reptilian. I think that what they alter is human perception.
They certainly can project false
images - just as Ted's [Ted Rice's] grandmother was shown her
dead husband, so that she would consent to have a sexual
encounter. Ted's grandfather had been dead for six years. And in
the middle of having the encounter with what she thought was her
restored husband, the image disappeared - I suppose because the
aliens wanted to get the "emotional juice" from her - and she
saw a 'reptoid' on top of her. We also have heard stories about
military people being present during abduction, and when people
focus on them, they change.
Budd Hopkins tells a story about a
person who saw a military policeman. He wondered why on Earth
the MP was there, and tried to focus very carefully on him. When
he did so, the MP changed, before his eyes, into an officer of
high rank, and then into a NAZI officer.
(Note: Under regressive hypnosis
Barney Hill - who along with his wife Betty claimed to have
been abducted by reptilian 'grays' from Zeta Reticuli - also
reported seeing a "German Nazi" military officer on the craft,
working with the aliens. This is suggestive that the CIA
more-or-less inherited the alien collaboration agenda that was
initiated by the 'Baverians' in or around 1933. - Branton)
The aliens cannot allow us to be
involved with them in our normal state of mind because we would
be under our own control, and that is not what they desire.
from Karla Turner by subject
THREATS THROUGH THE USE OF CLONES
"...She was told, 'If you don't
cooperate, we'll replace you with this and nobody will know the
difference.' When Ted was a teenage, he and a number of other
teenagers were abducted together and shown copies of their
bodies. In this instance, too, the clones were used as threats."
ALIEN USE OF CLONES
(Note: The cloning of
lambs and monkeys is a documented FACT in our society, so it is
not beyond the limits of possibility to suggest that a hi-tech
alien culture might, unfortunately, succeed at cloning human
beings. - Branton)
"Ted recalled a process whereby his original body was killed.
They first gave him a glowing, green, fiery substance to drink.
It made him extremely nauseated. He vomited it immediately, and
then they cut off his head [and his vital fluid was drained from
his body into a container]. When
his soul energy - or whatever
you want to call it - came up out of his body, it remained
attached to the body at this lumpy, glowing, green liquid area.
It appeared to be unable to get free of that.
They sucked it into a little black
box, which was set on a counter while the aliens readied his new
cloned body. Then they put probes into the shoulders, neck and
feet of the new body to activate it. Once it began to breathe,
the soul energy could be put into it.
His soul energy, which had been
stored in the little black box ever since they killed his first
body, was introduced into the new body, and because the body was
breathing, it was trapped there."
(Note: During this
abduction Ted encountered two other 'clones', a young boy and a
girl. This took place inside a MASSIVE space station, dark green
in color with 'spikes' reaching out of it like one might see on
a old World War II floating 'mine'. Smaller ships would enter
and exit via these 'tube' extensions.
He only encountered a few
humanoids on board the massive ship, a red-haired women with
little or no emotional expression, a dark haired hybrid type
'man' with a malevolent disposition, and a 'kind' man with short
blond hair who attempted to nullify his apprehensions throughout
Although there were some 'Bigfoot' type people, some
dwarfish hairy humanoids, large 'Mantis-like' insectoids with
remarkably 'human-like' facial features, and numerous bizarre or
grotesque beings which seemed to be genetic hybrids composed of
both human-like and animal-like features within this massive
station, the greater majority of the aliens were of the common
reptilian-insectoid 'Grey' variety. - Branton)
EMOTIONAL ENERGY AS FOOD?
"Evidently, a body that has had soul
energy in it - one that absorbs certain kinds of emotional
energy - is more nutritious than a 'flat' body that has not
been through life processes. Let's say that, at eight or nine
years old, you have lived some already, and you have some
emotional storage going on already.
If they kill your nutritionally
'yummy' body for their use and put your soul material into a
cloned body that has not had life experience, then they can let
you go through several more years in that body and build up
emotional energy in it. Then it will be ready for them to eat,
and they can continue the process again, many times."
(Note: The reason the
reptilians feed off of human vital fluids in a vampirial-parasitic
manner, it seems, is because they are in symbiotic relationship
with astral parasites which use the reptilian bodies as 'hosts'.
The astral parasites have absolutely no connection to the
Creator or the Divine, who is the source of the essence of all
life force/manna energy, and so they exist in an anti-life
field/state and must steal life force second hand, much like a
black hole or a sink hole or wallstreet or a cancer tumor
vampirizes everything around them to feed their insatiable
hunger... in so doing they grow ever larger and deformed, moreso
than God or nature intended, and therefore 'require' ever more
energy, which is usually stolen from the weak and defenseless.
In a sense, these kinds of symbiotic aliens operate as
individual cancer cells within a collective alien 'tumor', and
they should be dealt with accordingly!!! - Branton)
PSYCHIC VAMPIRES AND INDUCED EMOTIONAL
"Abductees are put through other
kinds of programming and compulsions. The only commonalty that I
can see in all of them, so far, is that they all cause great
upheaval and produce great amounts of emotional energy. And
maybe tastier bodies. But certainly immediate energy
HOW THE ALIENS MIGHT CONTROL THE
"Personally, I believe
one could control political leaders more easily with implants.
Now, if they wanted to use one of their own souls (although some
would debate whether these reptilians have souls at all, other
than the astral entities possessing them - Branton), perhaps to
inhabit the body of a politicians and work full-time through it,
that could be done.
Perhaps they could simply take the
soul out and stick another soul in. They have the ability to
retrieve what we call the soul, to store it in a container, and
to put it back into another body. They can put it in any body
ANY POSITIVE (ETHICAL) ETs?
"I do accept there are
intelligent forces that can contact and inform us - perhaps to
help us help ourselves."
Collier says that there are. He was told by his alleged friends'
from Zenatae Andromeda - who like most federated human-occupied
worlds are descended from the ancient Lyran-Terran alliance in
the times of Lemuria and Atlantis, to which most if not all
human-like ETs can trace their ancestries - that three federated
carrier ships, Andromedan, Pleiadean and Tau Cetian, had
intercepted a huge Dow-Gray alien carrier ship that had emerged
from the ocean floor and was trying to skip-planet with a load
of hybrids, human children in cryogenic freeze, and literally
thousands of human 'souls' that had been 'harvested' and which
were discovered trapped-contained WITHIN SMALL ELECTROMAGNETIC
BOXES, apparently to be used as ectoplasmic energy sources by
So we may very well have friends out there, which is
probably why some reptilian ETs [for instance the 'greens' and
the 'greys' within the
Dulce - Los Alamos - Kirtland AFB
megabase that are working with the 'OMEGA AGENCY'] insist that
there are no 'nordic' or 'human federation' ETs out there. Of
course the LAST thing these dracs desire is for us Terrans to
join up with these federated human starfarers, especially in an
alliance AGAINST their reptilian collective. - Branton)
UNDERGROUND ALIEN BASES
"Abductees report seeing
other humans in these facilities being drained of blood, being
mutilated, flayed, and dismembered, and being stacked, lifeless,
like cords of wood. Some abductees have been threatened that
they, too, will end up in this condition if they don't cooperate
with their alien captors."
(Note: We've had "Operation
DESERT Storm"... anyone for "Operation DUNGEON Storm"!? - Branton)
HUMAN CHILD ABDUCTIONS
"Aliens come into homes
and temporarily remove young children, leaving their distraught
parents paralyzed and helpless. In cases where a parent has been
able to protest, the aliens insist that 'The children belong to
RAPE AND FORCED SEXUAL ABUSE
"Aliens have forced their
human abductees to have sexual intercourse with aliens and even
with other abductees while groups of aliens observe these
performances. In such encounters, the aliens have sometimes
disguised themselves in order to gain the cooperation of the
abductee, appearing in such forms as Jesus, the Pope,
certain celebrities, and even the dead spouses of the
CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
sometimes show a new and obsessive interest in their own
genitalia after alien encounters, saying that their abductors
who come at night have been touching these parts of their
PAINFUL AND TERRIFYING MEDICAL
"Aliens perform extremely
painful experiments or procedures on abductees, saying that
these acts are necessary but giving no explanation why.
Abductees' eyes are painfully removed from the sockets, allowing
the aliens to scrape the area or implant devices into the area
before the eyeballs are replaced, for instance.
Some abductees are subjected to
painful constrictions, often around the head, chest and
extremities. Painful genitalia and anal probes are performed, on
children as well as adults."
SO-CALLED 'ALIEN PROPHECIES'
"Aliens make predictions
of an imminent period of global chaos and destruction. They say
that a certain number of humans - and the number varies
dramatically from case to case - will be 'rescued' from the
planet in order to continue the species, either on another
planet or back on earth after the destruction is over.
Many abductees report that they
don't believe their alien captors and foresee instead a much
more sinister use of the 'rescued' humans."
(Note: This reminds me of
the vision/dream one man related of a mass alien landing and
'harvest' amidst global chaos, with aliens encouraging humans to
board their craft so as to escape to a better place, however in
the vision/dream this man had the distinct impression that those
who boarded these craft would be entering a living hell...
Satan's rapture? - Branton)
COLLECTIVE HALLUCINATION OR
"In every instance from this
list, there are multiple reports from unrelated cases,
confirming that such bizarre details are not the product of a
single deranged mind. These details are convincing evidence
that, contrary to the claims of many UFO researchers, the
abduction experience isn't limited to a uniform pattern of
This phenomenon simply can't be
explained [exclusively] in terms of cross-breeding experiments
or scientific research into the human physiology."
"And it becomes clear from
these details that the beings who are doing such things can't be
seen as spiritually enlightened, with the best interest of the
human race in mind. Something else is going on, something far
more painful and frightening, in many, many abduction
There is a theory current in ufological research
that says abductees who perceive their experiences in a negative
way only do so because they themselves aren't spiritually or
Persons with higher cosmic
development have positive alien encounters, so the theory goes,
and those who have painful or frightening experiences are merely
spiritual Neanderthals. This is a pet theory of researchers who
claim that aliens, whether objectively real or not, serve as
'mirrors' of our spiritual nature, on an individual or a
Streiber has voiced this theory, for
instance, in Majestic, where he says, 'In the eyes of the others
[the aliens], we who met them saw ourselves. And there were demons there'.
(Note: On one segment of
the STRANGE UNIVERSE TV show, Whitley Streiber commented on a
reputed video-tape of a military interrogation of a reptilian
'grey' alien at Area-51. Streiber showed extreme rage and stated
in essence that he was astonished that one of these "wonderful
people" could be in such a situation, and that the interrogation
was "one of the most evil" acts in human history.
relate time and time again in his writings about the absolute
stark terror and evil he encountered in relation to the aliens.
He also stated in essence that the terror and pain consumed him
to the degree that he felt that the 'old' Whitley disappeared
and something else took its place. Could it be that 'Whitley
Streiber' is no longer home, in a certain sense, and that the
'person' who reacted to the video was NOT exactly the same
'Whitley' who resided there before his major abduction
The use of pain, torture and terror is a
common and well known means of mind-control and mental
fragmentation among 'insiders'. In the throes of pain and
emotional intensity or even sexual stimulation it is easy to
induce hypnotic programming or even an alternate or "alter"
personality within a mind-controlled subject. - Branton).
Having worked with so many decent, honest, positively oriented
abductees, however, I believe this theory is wrong. It is worse
than wrong - it is despicable, as despicable as blaming a rape
victim for the violence committed against her.
This attitude [that they have
negative experiences because they are not spiritually developed
enough] leaves many abductees feeling doubly violated, first by
the aliens who took them and then by the UFO researchers to whom
they turn for explanations and help. But it is easy to
understand why such a theory would be so popular. Humans have a
deep need to believe in the power of good. We need for the
aliens to be a good force, since we feel so helpless in their
And we need for some superior force
to offer us a hope of salvation, both personally and globally,
when we consider the sorry state of the world. I think the
aliens know this about us - they know that we want and hope for
them to be benevolent creatures - and they USE our desire for
goodness to manipulate us. What better way to gain our
cooperation than to tell us that the things they are doing are
for our own good? But looking at the actions, the results of
alien interference such as the long list above.
There is a great discrepancy between
what we desire from them and what they are doing to us."
"Not all abduction reports
are filled with frightening or painful events, of course. Many
people say that their alien encounters felt benevolent, that
their ABDUCTORS treated them kindly or at least with a
Some abductees recall being told
that they were 'special,' that they were 'chosen,' and that they
have an important task to perform for the benefit of humanity.
Given such a positive message, the abductees may ignore the fear
and the pain of their encounters and insist to themselves and to
others that a higher motive underlies the abduction experience.
And, in some cases, all that an
abductee REMEMBERS is a benevolent encounter and so has no
reason to assume any negative action has occurred."
MORE ON SCREEN MEMORIES
"Intensive research shows that at the core of the human-alien
interaction there is a clear pattern of DECEPTION. We know, for
instance, that "screen memories" are often used to mask an alien
abduction. Such accounts abound, in which a person sees a
familiar yet out-of-place animal, like a deer or owl, a monkey
or a rabbit, and then experiences a period of missing time.
The person often awakens later to
find a new, unexplained scar on his body. Uneasiness about the
encounter will persist, however, and far different memories may
start to surface in dreams or flashbacks, and then the person
seeks help to explain the uneasiness. Quite often, hypnotic
regression is used to uncover the events behind the "screen
memory," and that is when a typical alien abduction surfaces.
The most recent research in which
I've been involved has turned up yet a second sort of screening
process. If it turns out to be accurate, then thousands of
abduction cases are in urgent need of re-examination. The
typical scenario of undergoing the regressive hypnosis usually
results in penetration of the initial blocked memories.
The abductee then recalls an
encounter, hitherto unremembered, such as undergoing a physical
examination of some sort, perhaps having body tissues removed or
having a gynecological exam. Other typical reports include the
taking of sperm and ova, of being told of an important task to
be carried out, or of receiving a warning of upcoming disaster.
And in most cases, both the abductee and the investigator come
away from the hypnosis session feeling that they have discovered
the truth about the experience.
Rationalization leads them to
believe that the aliens' purposes must be scientifically
objective or benevolent. The less threatening and more
benevolent the hypnotically recalled event seems, the more
satisfied are the investigator and the abductee.
"That wasn't so bad, now, was
it? These beings are our friends, or at least they are not
And everyone goes away with a sense
of relief. I have yet to hear of a researcher who actually
questions the uncovered scenario. But from several recent cases,
it is apparent that these recovered memories may well also be
yet another screen, masking events that are much more
I will explain one such case, to
make the point clear."
A STRANGE REPORT
"A man in his late 40's
came to us to explore several alien-related events in his life,
and in the interview he told of a strange, although not
apparently alien-oriented, episode that had haunted him since
childhood. When he was ten years old, his grandmother came to
visit in his home, and since the house was small, she shared his
bed on the first night of her visit.
During the night, the boy was
awakened by a loud male voice. He couldn't understand what the
voice was saying, but it sounded angry and was addressing the
grandmother lying beside him.
The next morning, he asked his
"What was that voice in the
bedroom last night?"
His grandmother, with tears in her
eyes, pulled him tightly to her and said,
"That was the devil."
She said nothing more about the
episode, but she did insist that her son take her back to her
own home immediately. It was an unreasonable request, and her
son tried to talk her out of it. But the grandmother was
adamant, and finally her son agreed to take her home the
The entire family made the trip of
over a hundred miles back to the grandmother's farm, and within
an hour of their arrival, the grandmother suffered a massive
stroke and died. Ever since that event, the man had felt a heavy
burden of guilt associated with his grandmother's death. Yet
there was no conscious reason for him to have felt that way.
The entire event was poignant and
mystifying, but in all the alien encounters he had subsequently
undergone, he had felt that the aliens were his friends and were
helping him by expanding his psychic abilities."
[Interview continued. In response to a
question about the 'psychic vampire' nature of the aliens, Karla
KT: ...Yes. Now you are getting to
why may be the crux of the 'harvest.' That may be that they not
only need emotional energy, but also at least one faction [and I
would be tempted, if I were to guess, that they would be
reptoids] actually uses the physical bodies. They are trying
hard to get us detached from our bodies by telling us that they
are "only containers."
Why? Because they eat our bodies. If
a cow knew you were going to eat it, you would want to tell that
cow [if they could understand], "Your body is not important. It
[In response to a question about the
spiritual nature of the Greys and the Reptiloids]:
KT: I think it is something to think
about. I don't believe the grays have souls, but are more like 'Frankensteins'
or 'zombies' or whatever term you want to use for the "living
dead." When I have been with them, I have had an overwhelming
feeling that they are not alive - that they are dead.
(Note: Or... as investigator Val
Valerian puts it, they have an "anti-life" field. - Branton)
Dr. Gregory L. Little has added the
following in regards to Karla Turner's experiences:
Karla told of walking into her home
at night when a being grabbed hold of her arm. The creature told
her it was her mother, but Karla stated that it looked like a
Another time, Karla was coming home
through her back yard when she felt like she,
"...had hit an
electric fence. I wasn't feeling right...wasn't moving right
...there was a glow everywhere...I stopped...and saw four gray
beings standing side by side in my backyard. I assumed I was
having a hallucination (but) I'm awake - why? I felt I could see through them and
they talked to me telepathically.
"'Greetings, we are your
ancestors,' they said. 'We are a part of you, but we are
"I couldn't move as I normally do," Karla continued. "Then
two females behind me came up close - they started
"'They are giving you some instructions,' they told me."
Karla and Casey [her husband] have
become involved with a variety of MUFON investigators since the
uncovering of their memories as well as conducting a variety of
their own investigations. They have somewhat specialized in
sexual abductions and been influenced by the popular books
Intruders, Missing Time, and others...
The 'modern' aliens associated with sexual abductions now appear
to fall into three broad categories. The traditional grays are
nearly always present. Male grays seldom engage in intercourse,
but some female grays do. The grays often connect bizarre
devices to the sex organs of abductees and insert needles in an
apparent attempt to collect sperm and ovum samples.
are the more sinister creatures described as reptilian,
grasshopper-like, or mantis-like.
These creatures, whose sexual organs
are described as ice cold, often have intercourse with humans.
Finally, there are creatures that, except for their dress, would
be indistinguishable from humans. They are sometimes described
as Nordic in appearance - tall blondes with blue eyes.
These abductors have, at times, had
intercourse with abductees.
(Note: At this point, Dr.
Little attempts to bridge the gap between the technological and
metaphysical aspects of the UFO phenomena by revealing the
direct links between many modern UFO encounters and ancient
encounters with incubi, succubi, faeries, elementals and other
deamon-like supernatural beings and the many similarities
between these ancient 'demonic' abductions and the modern
Since the 1950's, UFOlogists have engaged in
MAJOR disputes over whether the 'aliens' are supernatural beings
or physical beings. Sometimes these disputes have been so
divisive that one might think the aliens themselves were engaged
in some type of 'divide and conquer' strategy to keep people
from finding the truth. The fact is, most UFO encounters
STRONGLY suggest that the beings involved ARE physical beings,
yet at the same time they are CHANNELS for other supernatural
forces that are seemingly possessing and controlling the
These exterran-quanterran-subterran aliens might
be referred to as techno-sorcerers. In other words - although
most would be appalled at even the thought of it - it would
seem that 'demons', if you will, have somehow managed to
incarnate within a group of PHYSICAL beings to the point where
they could have absolute control of these beings and in essence
attain physical 'bodies' through which they could manipulate
third dimensional material reality.
This would involve the
terrifying prospect that demons who have attained 'physical
bodies' might in turn work to prepare more bodies for their
discarnate comrades, so that these too could engage in
technological-psychological-supernatural warfare against mankind
and attack our physical-mental-spiritual natures simultaneously.
If God is Infinite, which I firmly believe, then no matter how
much of a threat these "repti-geists" become, IF WE BELIEVE, we
can counter that threat and more!
If one were viewing the alien
phenomena from an eschatological perspective one might correctly
think that this would all involve some ancient Luciferian agenda
to 're-conquer' the heavens, if the 'aliens' possess
interplanetary or interstellar travel technologies [see:
Revelation chapter 12].
In the case of the 'reptilians', the Edenic drama of Genesis chapter 3 may have been repeating itself
over and over again since ancient times, with the Luciferians
[poltergeists] incarnating the Reptilian Greys [serpents] and
deceiving mankind [the serpent's lies] into accepting their
occult technology [forbidden fruit] which would give the 'elite'
godlike powers over their fellow man ["ye shall be as gods"]...
with fallen elements from all three creations - angelic, human,
and beast - collaborating together within underground bases
Dulce, which are layed-out in an unusual tree-like manner
[the tree of knowledge, or the tree of 'da-ath' - i.e.
'cunning' in the original Hebrew], where these fallen beings
conspire together against God Almighty and his plan for perfect
order and equality. - Branton)
"Just like modern UFO abductors
do, demons have long been collecting sperm samples from male
victims. According to the ancient reports, the succubus
gathers semen from the male victims so that the demon can
fully perform the sex act and sometimes impregnate its
female victim when acting as an incubus.
In Thomas Aquinas'
13th century book Summa Theologica he wrote:
"'...if sometimes children are born from intercourse with
demons, this is not because of the semen emitted by them, or
from the bodies they have assumed, but through the semen
taken from some man for this purpose, seeing that the same
demon who acts as a
succubus for a man becomes an incubus
for a woman.'"
"...For several thousand years there have been reports of
alien abduction for sexual purposes. Because of the number
of reports coming from early church members, much attention
was given the phenomenon during the 1200s and 1300s. Here
are a few summaries by the church from this time period:
'Devils do indeed collect human
semen...therefore devils can transfer the semen which they
have collected and inject it into the bodies of others.'
'Devils in the form of women yield to
males and receive their semen; by cunning skill, the demons
preserve its potency, and afterwards,...they become incubi
and pour it into female repositories.'
"Just as in modern UFO reports, the incubus desiring to have
sex with a human will adjust its shape to one that lowers
resistance of its victim. In 1698 Johann Klein reported on a
court case where a woman claimed to have been impregnated by
her long-gone husband. A creature taking his form appeared
to her at night in her bedroom where she simply couldn't
resist. Many other victims of an incubus claimed that the
incubus appeared to them as a person (deceased) they knew
[So then, might not the above - that
is, various levels of interaction between demons and 'Dracos' or
other 'engineered' physical forms - explain the various unusual,
although morbid, encounters that have been reported by abductees,
such as the following incident that the late Karla Turner reported,
as paraphrased by Greg Little?]:
Karla told a story about a
grandmother with her young grandson. The grandmother had been a
widow for several years when she was forced to drink a liquid
handed to her by an alien who appeared in her bedroom late one
After she drank the thick fluid, she became young again.
reptilian-like alien then attempted to have intercourse with her
but she resisted. Then the alien brought in her 'dead husband'
who began making sexual advances to her. The grandmother had
intercourse with the creature that appeared as her husband, but
eventually saw that it was a reptilian.
After finishing with the
grandmother, the reptilians had anal and oral intercourse with
her young grandson...
(Note: Now you can begin to see
why I am a firm advocate of 'draconicide'. Sure, if it comes
down to all-out war, UNCONDITIONAL surrender should first be
offered to the reptilian nemesis, however if they refuse,
dracocide should be carried out to the fullest against these
alien 'cancer cells'.
Trying to negotiate a truce with creatures
that have NEVER honored a truce - at least there has never been
any evidence forthcoming that these creatures of the 'Draconian
Hive' have done so - is nothing less than suicide, for as their
cousins of old, these dragon-people demand human sacrifices as
part of any negotiation, whether it be in the form of a
government turning a blind eye to human 'abductions', or an
ancient king in the times of Camelot sacrificing virgins to
appease the creatures of chaos who plagued their kingdoms.
Perhaps these ancient tales have a lesson for us, namely that
the only way to negotiate with such tumorous creatures is with
the point of the sword and the lance. Whether the stories of the
ancient dragon-slayers are literal or symbolic, they nevertheless
contain valuable truths in either case... as we can see from the
following account of St. George, as recorded in the TIME-LIFE
series, 'THE ENCHANTED WORLD' - Branton):
"...In an age abrim with valiant
deeds, dragon fighters - men and women who vanquished the
mighty beasts one by one - established an unmatched
standard of courage. And among that glorious company of
warriors, Saint George was the nonpareil. Clad in silver
armor, riding a horse caparisoned in gold and always
displaying the sign of the Christians - a red cross on a
white field - he galloped through the stories and songs of
the European lands, the harbinger of Christianity and its
civilizing order, and the hammer of the dragon race. The
fame of this soldier-saint was such that for centuries after
his death, he was claimed as the protector of England,
Catalonia, Aragon, Italy and Greece, and revered in such
diverse parts of Lithuania, Portugal and Constantinople.
"In England, his feast day, April 23, was a national
holiday, celebrated with splendid processions, with pageants
and plays. And England's highest honor, the Order of the
Garter, was established in his name.
"Saint George was the patron of all who had to do with
battle - knights, archers, saddlemakers and swordsmiths...
"Yet who was he? Few knew, for a panoply of legends shone
around him: He was said to have slain dragons at Mansfeld in
the center of Germany; he was also said to have killed a
dragon in England, in Berkshire, where the people pointed to
a place called Dragon Hill, made grassless and barren by the
venomous blood of his (St. George's) victim. Yet the first
account of Saint George's slaying of a dragon is set not in
Europe at all, but far south, in Africa...
"It was a savage dragon, sprung from somewhere in the bleak
hills that divided the fertile coastal plains from the
desert, and it settled in a marsh not far from the walls of
"The evidence of this presence appeared only gradually.
Mangled carcasses of sheep and cattle were occasionally
found in remote pastures; from time to time, also, the
bloated corpses of travelers and shepherds were seen lying
at the edge of the desert. Then the deaths began to happen
closer to home, near the villages and hamlets that lay on
the outskirts of the city. Children died, and the cows in
their byres and the sheep in their pens. In Silene, whispers
began. The curfew was rung early in the evenings, and the
great gates were closed. Few people were so reckless as to
stay outside the walls at night.
"The dragon was thus deprived of easy game. But when it
struck Silene, it came in broad daylight. A watchman at the
gate felt the ground shudder; he squinted into the distance
and saw the sloughing beast, its scales shining in the
African sun, trails of smoke curling around its head, and he
gave the alarm. The gates were closed and barricaded. People
crowded the walls as the armored serpent approached - on
massive legs tipped with curving claws.
"The dragon did nor attack at once. It slithered along the
base of the walls, nosing at crevices, trying its strength
on the gates. The gates held, however. High on the walls,
the watching people of the city stirred and sighed. But
then, the dragon threw back its head and howled. A spurt of
foul-smelling, flaming liquid shot from the cruel mouth,
snaked up the walls and poured over the battlements. The
citizens who had gathered there were bathed in the caustic
liquid. Writhing and screaming, they fell from the walls.
The dragon devoured them on the spot.
"That was the beginning of a time of terror. The (Libyan)
city was besieged: Every day the dragon clawed at the gate
and spewed its noxious venom over the ramparts. Outside the
walls, the villages were silent and the fields untended; all
the farmers had fled or been killed by the beast. Inside the
city, people kept to their houses. The streets were empty,
the markets vacant, the squares deserted. And no one
ventured forth in an attempt to slay the creature, for its
poison killed agonizingly and quickly. Sword and lance were
useless against it.
"Casting about for a means of appeasement, the king who
ruled Silene decreed that two sheep be tied up outside the
walls as a daily offering. The tactic seemed to work at
first. Each day at dawn, soldiers led the sheep to a stake
outside the gates and tied them there. The men then,
retraced and stood shivering behind the ramparts with the
rest of the citizenry as the dragon claimed its gift with a
horrible crunching of bones and smacking of lips. Well-fed,
the beast left Silene alone. But the day came when the city
had no more sheep to offer, and the dragon began to circle
the walls ceaselessly, spitting its deadly venom at any
"And thus began the lottery. Every day in the chill hour
before down, the people of Silene gathered in the square
before the King's palace. From a great brass urn, they drew
ivory counters that in happier times had been used for
gambling. But this gamble was desperate, for the one who
lost by drawing a marked counter was condemned to die so
that the rest of the citizens might live one more day.
Wailing and lamentation arose in the dusty square as the
victims name was revealed. The person was tied to the stake
outside the gates, just as the sheep had been, and died no
"One morning, the marked counter fell to the daughter of
Silene's King. The crowd - now much reduced by daily
sacrifice - moved away from the ruler and his child. The
King stood motionless, a man turned to stone. He shook his
head from side to side, and tears coursed down his face. But
when the people began to murmur, he bowed in assent, and two
of his guards moved toward the Princess.
"They led her into the palace, and there her maidens clothed
her all in white, as if to meet a bridegroom. Then they took
her through the quiet streets, out to the slaughter ground.
In the charred and bloodied landscape, among the bleaching
bones of earlier victims, the soldiers bound her to the
stake and left her to die.
"But while the beast still slept in its lair, a man on
horseback appeared on the eastern horizon, just ahead of the
rising sun. Its rays struck his silver armor and formed a
nimbus of light around his body as he rode toward the
Princess, across the withered and treeless fields where no
birds sang to greet the day. He was George, a Roman knight - BUT a
Christian, as the red crosses on his sword belt
showed. He was riding abroad in search of adventure, and he
had come to the place of his trial. He drew rein beside the
Princess and bent from his saddle to hear her tale.
"The Princess begged the knight to leave her to her death.
He only laughed - a strong and joyous sound in that place - and wheeled his horse towards the dragon's den. The hoofbeats roused the beast, and it sprang screaming from its
lair, head thrown back to spit venom and fire. But the
knight was upon it before it could draw breath. As it reared
to strike, his lance pierced its side, and the poison from
its jaws trickled harmlessly to the ground. The knight moved
in for the kill.
"How the dragon died is a matter of debate. That the knight
killed it, all chronicles grant. But some accounts say that
he gave the death blow on the spot, while others declare
that he cut the sign of the Cross into the wounded
creature's belly and led the dragon back into Silene. There
he demanded as payment the conversion of the people to
Christianity, and when the religion was accepted, he struck
off the dragon's head. It was said, too, that the Princess
became the bride of her rescuer..."
HERE THERE DRAGONS BE
In tortured lands, where
And fall along the road to die
A man must live the way of right
Pure and chaste, with Godly might
For lesser men will live not long
But in a wisp of smoke, be gone
For lesser men do not but cower
When they contend with dragon power
Then what will be of maidens fair
If heroes die in dragon's lair?
And where will all the children play
If thundering wings chase them away?
Here the dragons rule the sky
And search the earth with evil eye
To foist upon the sons of man
Their vile intent and wicked plan
Then, in their reptilian glee
Into their earthen holes they flee
With naught of guilt or recompense
To eat their captive audience
In such a land, where man doth roam
And plow the earth to make a home
It takes a man of Godly faith
Who fights with supernatural strength
Whose armor 'gainst each foe defends
Whose shield each arrow's fall portends
A man who'll spit at evil's taint
Who'll not back down, nor weary, faint
A man who's steed will battle brave
And hold his foot in deepest cave
He’ll never for his life take care
And run not from the dragon's stare
Such man, who's deemed a Saintly Knight
Would storm the dark to bring the light
He'll not retreat from scorching flame
But quench the fire in God's Own Name
Of such a man the bards will sing
A man of fate who would be king
If such a man your mirror sees
Then come, for Here There Dragons Be
-- Donald P.