by Val Valerian
Leading Edge Interview
"Descendents of Noah =
or at least those
who have interbred enough
to maintain that genetic
The Biggest Secret
The Draconians and
the Paa Tal
The Alpha Draconians, a reptilian race composed of master
geneticists, tinker with life - which from their perspective exists
as a natural resource. The Draconians look at lifeforms which they
have created or altered as a natural resource. Apparently, the Alpha
Draconians created the primate race, which was first brought to Mars
and then to Earth.
The primate race was then tinkered with by many
other different races - 21 other races - resulting in the primate
race having been modified 22 times. This primate race eventually
became Homo Sapien Sapiens. - who we are on a physical level. Yes,
we used to have 12 strands of DNA. Ten strands were taken out by a
group from Orion in order to control us and hold us back. Why would
they want to hold us back?
The reason the Orion group wanted to hold us back was because they
found out who we were on a soul level. Again, according to the Andromedans,
we humans are part of a group of energies that they
know of as the Paa Tal. The reason that the Andromedans use the word
Paa Tal, which is by the way a Draconian word, is because the Draconians have legends about warring with a race that was creating
human life forms that were opposed to Draconian philosophy. The Paa
Tal created life forms that could evolve on their own, with free
expression. The Draconians, on the other hand, created races to
function as a natural resource for their pleasure. So, you have two
very different philosophies.
Well, how the Orion group found out who we were was through our
extreme span of emotions. We are very very different than all the
other races. Even the Andromedans do not understand how we could
hate one minute and five minutes later be loving and snuggling.
one trip I was brought on board a ship, and Vasais was watching a
monitor floating in the middle of the room that had an Earth news
broadcast on it where a policeman had shot a black man and then had
run up to him and tried to save his life. To Vasais, there wasn't a
clue why the policeman would do this. I couldn't explain it to him,
because I don't even understand it. They are perplexed why we could
be this incredible race, and have the abilities that we have, and be
so hell-bent on destroying ourselves.
Another time I came on board and Moraney was looking at Earth while
monitoring all these meters analyzing the atmosphere of Earth. He
looked very sad, and I asked him what the matter was. He said,
"don't they understand that all of this is here because they needed
it?" They don't understand how we can just destroy our environment.
It's not like we have another place to do.
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AC: The Draconians are the force behind the repression of human
populations everywhere in this galaxy instilling fear-based belief
systems and restrictive hierarchies. I asked Moraney about them, and
"the Draconian race is probably the most understood race of
beings. I have witnessed a deep respect for this race."
The Andromedans consider the Draconians the "ultimate warriors," in a
negative sense. Moranae continues,
" the Draconians are the oldest
reptilian race in our universe. Their forefathers came to our
universe from another separate universe or reality system. When this
occurred, no one really knows. The Draconians themselves are not
really clear on when they got here.
The Draconians teach their
masses that they were here in this universe first, before humans,
and as such they are heirs to the universe and should be considered
royalty. They find disgust in the fact that humans do not recognize
this as a truth. They have conquered many star systems and have
genetically altered many of the life forms they have encountered.
The area of the galaxy most densely populated with Draconian
sub-races is in the Orion system, which is a huge system, and
systems in Rigel and Capella.
The mind set or consciousness of the
majority of races in these systems is Service-to-Self, and as such
they are always invading, subverting and manipulating less advanced
races, and using their technology for control and domination. This
is a very old and ancient war, and the peace that does not exist is
always being tested by these beings, who believe that fear rules,
and love is weak.
They believe that those they perceive to be less
fortunate, in comparison to them, are meant to be slaves. This
belief system is promoted at birth in the reptilian races, wherein
the mother, after giving birth, will abandon the offspring to fend
for themselves. If they survive they are cared for by a warrior
class that uses these children for games of combat and amusement.".
So, you can see that the reptilians are forever stuck in survival
mode. This means they have no boundaries in what they will do to
other beings. Moraney continues,
"it is engrained in them never to
trust a human. They are taught the Draconian version of the history
of the 'Great Galactic War', which teaches that humans are at fault
for invading the universe, and that humans selfishly wanted the
Draconian society to starve and struggle for the basic materials
that would allow them to exist."
AC: Now, there are some real similarities there. The expression
'Draconian thought' is an expression on our world. I would suggest
you research that.
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of the Galactic Hierarchy... and the Rest of the Story
We'll look at the positives. There are so many that want to help.
For those of you who are "trekkies", you know the number one rule.
You don't intervene with an evolving race unless you're asked. That
happens to be a reality. They will not directly intervene - at least
they are not supposed to - unless they are specifically asked to.
Those people who are contactees have a reincarnational lineage that
leads back to many of these positive races, which is why it is not
Now, in our galaxy there are many councils. I don't know everything
about all those councils, but I do know about the Andromedan
council, which is a group of beings from 139 different star systems
that come together and discuss what is going on in the galaxy. It is
not a political body. What they have been recently discussing is the
tyranny in our future, 357 years from now, because that affects
everybody. Apparently what they have done, through time travel, is
that they have been able to figure out where the significant shift
in energy occurred that causes the tyranny 357 years in our future.
They have traced it back to our solar system, and they have been
able to further track it down to Earth, Earths moon and Mars. Those
The very first meeting the Andromedan council had was to decide
whether or not to directly intervene with what was going on here.
According to Moraney, there were only 78 systems that met this first
time. Of those 78, just short of half decided that they wanted
nothing to do with us at all, regardless of the problems. I think it
is really important that you know why they wanted nothing to do with
us. We are talking about star systems that are hundreds of millions
of light years away from us. Even some who have never met us. They
just knew the vibration of the planet reflected those on it. The
reasons why they wanted nothing to do with us is that from their
perspective, Earth humans don't respect themselves, each other or
the planet. What possibly can be the value of Earth humans?
Fortunately, the majority of the council gave the opinion that
because Earth has been manipulated for over 5,700 years, that we
deserved an opportunity to prove ourselves - to at least have a shot
at proving the other part of the council wrong. So, the Andromedan
council passed a directive that all extraterrestrial presence will
be off our planet no later than August 12, 2003.
[Vals Note: Isn't it also curious that August 12, 2003 is also a
resonant node for
the Montauk Project? - 1943, 1983, 2003 - all 20
years apart. Also, in 12-year progressions, 1931,1943,1955, 1967,
1979, 1991, 2003. The implications are interesting. The year 2002
was also designated the new target date for implementation of the
New World Order, one year prior to 2003]
They want everything extraterrestrial on the planet, in the planet
and Earth's moon out of here by that date. The reason for this is
that they want to see how we will act when we are not being
manipulated. We are all being manipulated, and my first suggestion
is to throw your television set away. I can't tell you how sincere I
am about that. They are teaching you what to think, not how to
think. If you give that up, you become a robot. You become sheeple.
I know it's going to be tough.
This determination that ET influence will end by August 12, 2003
will be interesting, because living inside our planet 100 to 200
miles under the surface are 1837 reptilians who have been here a
very long time, 17 humans from Sirius B, and 18000 Grey clones
inside the Earth and on the moon. Most of the 2000 original Greys
Phobos, one of the moons of Mars, which is an artificial
There are also around 141 Orion beings inside the Earth
from 9 different races. There are a lot of "bad boys" here who have
technology thousands of years ahead of us. It is estimated that Grey
technology is 2,500 years ahead of us. The Orion group who control
the Greys have technology approximately 3,700 years ahead of us.
Nobody really knows how far the Draconians are, because they are
incredibly elusive. The group from Sirius B are approximately 932
years ahead of us.
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Picture Tells a Thousand Words
They have a camera that they can take a picture and separate it out
to get data all the way back to conception. Say I have a liver
problem. They can go back and get the data relative to my healthy
liver and project it holographically and heal the liver. This is
holographic technology. It is literally me, healing myself. We have
the same capabilities using our minds.
The key is to open it up to
the idea that everything that we record in our mind is recorded holographically. Every single thought is recorded holographically.
When you are trying to create something in your life, through your
mediations, don't look at it the way you normally do. Move around
it, behind it, on top of it, beneath it. Train you mind and
subconscious to see it for what it really is. They say we have this
ability - they need technology to do this, but we don't, because we
have the benefit of already having been on 11th density.
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AC: I want to talk to you about
Lyrae and how the human race
colonized our galaxy. Based on the age of the Suns and the planets
in our galaxy, it was decided that the human life form was to be
created in the Lyran system. The human race lived there for
approximately 40 million years, evolving. The orientation of the
human race in Lyrae was agricultural in nature. Apparently, we were
very plentiful and abundant, and lived in peace.
Then, one day, huge craft appeared in the sky.
[Vals Note: This
scenario is the theme of the movie Independence Day, to air in the
theatres nationally on July 7, 1996].
A large ship came out of the
huge craft and approached the planet Bila, and reptilians from Alpha
Draconis disembarked. Apparently, the Alpha Draconians and the
Lyrans were afraid of each other. I told you before that the Alpha
Draconians were apparently the first race in our galaxy to have
interstellar space travel, and have had this capability for 4
billion years. Well, when the Draconians came and saw Bila, with all
its abundance and food and natural resources, the Draconians wanted
to control it. There was apparently a mis-communication or
misunderstanding between the Draconians and Lyran humans.
wanted to know more about the Draconians before some kind of
"assistance" was offered. The Draconians mistook the communication
as a refusal, and subsequently destroyed three out of 14 planets in
the Lyran system. The Lyrans were basically defenseless. The planets
Bila, Teka and Merck were destroyed.
Over 50 million Lyran humans
were killed. It is at this point in history that the Draconians
began to look at humans as a food source. This is how old the
struggle is between the reptilian and human races. Now, I must make
the point that not all the reptilian or human races are "dark".
There is a mix. When we start meeting these races, you are going to
have to trust your gut instinct. But, they are coming.
Hale Bopp is
on its way here. It is not a comet.
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Terran Control Groups and Derivative Concepts
I want to talk about Jehovah. He's a piece of work. I want you to
know he's still alive and still scooting around, wreaking havoc. He
still doesn't have his stuff together. I mean, all you really have
to do is take all your personal emotions away from your observation
of the Bible, or the Old Testament, and just see what Jehovah did.
It's clearly psychotic behavior. I don't want a "God" like that!
It's amazing how some people will defend it, saying "well, he was
justified in killing everybody". Really?
The word "Jehovah" originally meant, in the Chaldean and Hebrew,
"is, was, and will be". The reason he was given that name is because
he lives such a long time. They live thousands of years in one
incarnation. It never meant "creator of all things". He used
technology to promote himself as a "God", and fear is an incredible
tool when you want to get people to do something. Some of your have
no doubt observed this factor in some of the activities of the world
The Chaldean people were the remnants of the Sumerian people. This
you probably already know. Much of the Hebrew religion and the
religion of the Sumerians are similar. The books of Moses do not in
any way suggest that Jehovah was in any way the only "lord of the
Elohim". The expressions "Elohim" and "Nephilim" are used in the
original Hebrew tongue, and these expressions are plural in nature,
which means that in their terms there was more than one "God". That
should be a major tip to everyone.
Abraham, whose name was "Abramou", did consider
Jehovah to be a
"God" because of the technology that Jehovah and the other Elohim
possessed. Many of the "Gods" did the same thing. They used
technology to strike fear into the people, and they worshipped the
"Gods" to avoid punishment. Any of this sound familiar, here in
Marduk, whom we also know as the Egyptian "God"
Ra, Enki, and En-lil,
were notorious for doing this. These extraterrestrial manipulators
used bigotry because they wanted to control their own groups of
people, and each of their offspring procreated with elements of the
population of the earth. According to Moraney and Vasais, our native
American races are the remnants of the ancient Babylonians. They
were brought here and hidden underground just prior to the flood of
Now, what was the flood of Noah? We are told that it rained for 40
days and 40 nights. According to Moraney, the flood of Noah was as a
result of the movement of Earth from one orbit to another around the
Sun. The Earth was apparently hit with a tractor beam and literally
moved to an orbit further out from the Sun. This added five days to
our rotational period around the Sun. The period of this 40 day rain
was during the period when the magnetic poles of the Earth rotated
My reason for telling you this is to try and give you a broader
perspective. There is just so much more to who we are and who we've
been. We have been manipulated by the "hidden ones". The reason they
remain "unseen" is because on-the-whole they are basically afraid of
us. They are afraid of something about us. They absolutely do not
want us to unite together, because then the "gig" is up.
Now, when the extraterrestrials were here in force - that is, during
the time referenced in the Bible where is says the Sons of God
married the Daughters of Man, they bred and mated with their human
wives. Out of this came offspring, half-breeds. There were at that
time, within the last 5000 years, predominantly 13 families from
Sirius B and
Nibiru, who were living here on the planet. These were
the tribes of En-lil, Marduk, Enki, etc. They all had offspring.
Those from Nibiru were a tribe that came about as a result of a
"marriage" between some groups between Sirius B and Orion. It was in
essence a "royal marriage" between groups that formed a "tribe".
This "tribe" was called Nibiru. The word Nibiru, in the ancient
Sumerian language, means "between two peoples". I know
calls it something else. The offspring were not allowed to go with
the extraterrestrial parents when they left the Earth, because they
were considered "half-breeds". The reason they were viewed like this
by the extraterrestrials was because of their Terran genetics, which
contain certain genes from the primate race.
According to Moraney,
the first melding between the primate genes and the human species
was 28,731,007 BC, and there have been many prototypes. In fact,
they just found another prototype in Portugal that is estimated to
be 780,000 years old. They will discover more. In fact, start
looking for some major discoveries in Nigeria. Apparently, there is
a tremendous amount of extraterrestrial technology buried in
Nigeria, that has not been tapped yet.
When the extraterrestrials left, the real ET's, they left certain
types of technology behind. The Indian Veda's discuss some of this
technology. They didn't care. They had science teams who were
constantly inventing new things, and as they got new technology they
discarded the old. Well, it was the Magi, the half-breeds, that were
left these technologies. There were 13 major families that were
considered under the heading of Magi. Does that number ring a bell?
The members of these 13 families on earth contain the genetics of
both Terran and extraterrestrial races that formerly tyrannized the
Earth. They were basically left in charge. Some of them were
actually Pharaohs. The Magi interbreeding resulted in the cultures
we today recognize as the "Ivory Hebrew", the "Mayan", the "Celts",
and the "Aryan" races. Now, while all of this was transpiring on the
surface of the planet, underground there was another
extraterrestrial race that had been here - a race that has been here
for hundreds of thousands of years. They are, of course, the
reptilian race, which the Bible refers to as the "serpent race".
They are still here, and they can't stand the radiation
of the sun. They haven't been able to live on the surface of the
planet since the last major war that occurred here approximately
450,000 years ago. They are basically hyperborean in nature. They
have control of the planet at depths from 100 to 200 miles down.
That's their turf, and no one contests that. That is why when people
go into the inner earth, they enter via the poles. They do not go
through the crust, because these reptilians simply to not like
humans. They consider us to be "fleas" on the surface. Again,
prejudice as a concept has its origin in extraterrestrial
All of the concepts involving languages and social structures for
human societies were introduced by extraterrestrial sources. All of
the languages that we have on the planet have their origins within
the structures of extraterrestrial languages. The letters and their
From Moraney's perspective, "Adam and Eve" were in fact two human
tribes that were created. I know the Bible refers to "Adam" as a
singular person. This is not accurate. According to Moraney, there
was a race of human beings prior to the Sumerians called the "Annunites",
and they were named after the chief scientist who the Sumerian's
called the "God" Anu. The name of "A-dam", as far as these people
were concerned, was originally "Anu-dam". That word meant
the mines. Like everything else, we get the "Cliff notes" version of
what really was the case.
I asked Moraney how the extraterrestrials were able to control all
the populations. Apparently, there were groups of hundreds of
thousands of people in areas all over the planet. Moraney said that
it was very easy to control the population by controlling the water.
He said that primary control was through technology, but the single
most important control mechanism for a race as primitive as ours was
control of the water supply. You have to have water.
This leads me to share something with you that I started to share
earlier. Two weeks ago, Bill Clinton signed a presidential
directive, number 28, which is legislation that has been put into
the Federal Register. It did not go to Congress for approval. They
withheld it for two weeks, only giving the legislation 14 days of
review before it became law.
[Vals note: This, of course, is illegal, because there must be a 30
day period of review].
It is called the River Heritage Act. He is taking ten of the largest
rivers in the United States and declaring on behalf of the Federal
Government that ten miles on each side constitute a "world heritage
protection site". Now, why would he do this? On the entire planet,
2.5% of the water is fresh water that is fit to drink. Now, 78% of
that 2.5% is right here in North America. The Great Lakes. Are you
getting the picture?
Now, the Magi created class systems around themselves. Priesthood's.
You can read about this priesthood's in Sumerian and Egyptian lore.
Every major religion has these. The priesthood's of the Magi were
known as the "Naga", and I know that is a name that has been thrown
around a lot. The Naga constituted the priesthood. They are like the
international bankers today, who are the new "priesthood", in a
sense, for the extraterrestrial controllers. Everything in your life
revolves around money. Everything. My reason for bringing this up is
to show you how history is constantly repeating itself.
Our race has
been stuck in a cycle of doing the same thing over and over again,
and getting "screwed" over and over again. Maybe now you will be
able to take a step back and see the "games" and the political mind
sets that are coming down again. Folks, it's right there. I want you
to know something, and I mean this with all my heart. There are
people that say, "you know, Alex, if you think this way you will
create it". Well, you know what? I don't think this way, and it's
being created anyway.
The reason it's being created anyway is
because of apathy. People don't give a damn, because they are so
busy just "surviving". Well, you are going to have to try and make
room for more than just "survival" in your life. You're going to
have to do this. There is only one semi-free nation on the planet.
The United States. If we loose it, there is nowhere for us to go,
and I will tell you this: I refuse to serve two masters! I refuse.
You can't do it.
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Edge Followup Interview With Alex Collier
The following material is a follow-up
interview conducted with Alex Collier in regard to the Andromedan
paradigm. For reference purposes, the initial interview was in LE#90
and the main feature,
ET's and the Global Connection, was in LE#89.
The interview was conducted on Sunday May 5,
Val: Perhaps it would be best
to start with a general update from you, both on the planetary
side and the extra-planetary/dimensional side.
AC: Well, let's see...a planetary update. There are more
reptilians than there were before. There are approximately 20 of
the royal Draconian line in the planet at this time.
Val: The Ciakars?
AC: Yes. An underground facility was apparently built for them
in the mountains in Madagascar. It is something that Moraney
seemed very concerned about, because they don't know exactly why
the Ciakars are here....they usually don't fight their own
battles. On a galactic level, several humanoid colonies in the
Hercules cluster have been admitted to the Andromedan Council.
Val: What about the biological situation on the planet?
AC: The viruses that are going to be hitting the United States
are going to be blamed on Africa. It of course is not true. I am
sure most of your readers know that already.
Val: It's no secret that all the viral and plague outbreaks have
always been organisms that are involved with known government
AC: Yes. The interesting thing about the Ebola virus is that
there is an extraterrestrial gene that has been added to it.
Val: I have heard that the same thing was done by factions in
the government to create the HIV virus.
AC: Yes. I don't know what extraterrestrial race provided the
gene for the recombinant HIV virus, but I know that the
biological material that has been added to the Ebola was given
to the government by the humanoids from Sirius B. I don't know
if if was one of their viruses that they picked up somewhere or
whether it is actually from them.
Val: Well, giving thought to the question: of who would want to
biologically decimate the planet, the governmental factions have
their agenda, but the reptilian race comes to mind as a
contender who might in fact have orchestrated this biological
AC: This is true. There are a lot different races that would
love to have this solar system totally secured, primarily
because of Saturn and Jupiter, and the Earth is a prize because
of all the water on it. But, if they gave certain human beings
on Earth the viruses, and those human beings in turn go ahead
and use them, it doesn't totally absolve them of culpability,
but at the same time it does relieve them (the aliens) of the
idea that they actually did it to us. This is the really scary
part, you know.
Val: This attitude is not uncommon even here on Earth. It is an
interesting parallel to the attitude of some organized religious
and political groups who behave in the same way, having other
people do their dirty work. Ultimately, however, they cannot
escape the karmic debt incurred by doing these things.
AC: Well, you're right.
Val: Referring back to some of the things you said in the ET's
and Global Connection, you noted that there were some 1800
reptilians inside the Earth that have been responsible for some
37,000 human children disappearing. Have you acquired any
additional information or clarification relative to this
AC: You mean, what they do to the human children?
Val: Well, any clarification beyond that simple statement
relative to what is happening.
AC: Well, I can tell you two things. You're not going to like
Val: I'm probably already aware of what you are about to say,
but go ahead.
AC: Well, my understanding is that aside from the fact that they
eat human children, what they do is that they drain fluids from
the brains of children while they are in fear.
Val: I have heard of this before. It is to get that substance
which to them is like a drug.
AC: It's like a narcotic.
Val: From the adrenal and pituitary glands?
AC: Yes. Apparently the government has tried to copy this
substance, but they can't, so they have this agreement with the
reptilians down below. My understanding is that the primary
agreement is that they will allow the world governments to mine
gold in exchange for the human children.
Val: It is an interesting parallel to a movie I saw called I
Come in Peace, which featured a rogue time-traveller from an
alien race who came to Earth and killed humans just to get
endorphins from their brain while they were in terror. Another
alien was sent dimensionally to stop him, because if he was
successful in accumulating endorphins and returning with them,
there would be no end to the slaughter of humans, as others
would come. Galactic drug dealers.
AC: There is more to it than that. The excretion has some of the
genetic coding within it. This is really what they are after.
Apparently they can absorb it, but their bodies don't produce
it. There is a chemical that we have in our brains that no other
life form creates. It is a result of the fact that we have 22
genetic lines within human DNA, plus the primate race. No one
can yet copy this chemical yet. As far as them being galactic
drug dealers, I have never heard them referred to as that, but
Val: Well, it was only in reference to that movie, but the fact
they would raid another species and kill them to acquire this
substance. Of course, humans do this to other species, don't
AC: Well, they have this attitude that because part of their
genetics are within us, that they have a "right" to do this. The
Greys apparently have the same philosophy, and I can remember in
one of the things that you sent me that Drunvalo also says that.
I would like to offer a different perspective in that it is just
flat wrong. They don't have a "right" to do it. Somehow they
have convinced the world governments that they have this
Val: Of course, the world governments are within the paradigm of
Neo-Darwinism and genetic engineering, and it is no surprise
that they would gladly except this statement as
pseudo-confirmation of their own position and rationale.
Val: It wouldn't be too much of a stretch for these people.
Val: And apparently the reptilians use human children as sex
slaves, which is something I have heard periodically over the
last few years, even in conjunction with governmental child sex
rings that were mentioned in the book Trance-Formation in
America by Cathy O'Brien.
AC: What is interesting is that the reptilians primarily enjoy
human males in this way, which is really disgusting.
Val: Well, the whole thing is really disgusting. Let's change
AC: Yes, please.
Val: You noted one time that there were about 1500 benevolent
ET's on Earth that were relatively undistinguishable from
ordinary humans, and that you were at the time not privy to
their purpose for being here. Have you discovered more relative
AC: Well, in truth, I know exactly why they're here. But I have
been told to really not talk about it. I will tell you that the
original number of 1500 in 1987 is now down to 1231. And, I
understand that in the next three months another 97 will leave.
Val: Then I guess the number will just decrease steadily until
AC: Yes, the last bunch will leave then.
Val: So, what I can get out of all of this is that these alien
humanoids are intelligence operatives who monitor the state of
affairs on Earth.
AC: Your perception is very accurate. I feel like I have broken
Val: No. If I already have the logic to figure things out, then
there is no word broken. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket
scientist to deduce why they are here, I suppose.
Val: In the last interview (LE#90) you noted that "the anger
coming up in young people was because of the unlocking of DNA
that is releasing energy that they don't know what to do with."
I asked "what are the teens to do?", and you replied that you
would have to get back to me on that.
AC: Well, I have asked them if they would outline a workable
system of expression that would be positive and beneficial, not
only to the teens, but to the adults. Moraney said that the next
time he spoke with me that he would have an answer. As soon as I
find out, I will get that information to you.
Val: Great. In the last interview, it was stated that the Greys
captured and boxed human souls, and that Moraney did not want to
answer the question of what happens to these souls. Has Moraney
changed his mind about that yet?
AC: No, not yet. I don't think it's because of Moraney. He is
always reluctant to say he can't answer something, so I think
that the directive not to reveal that information comes from a
higher level. I don't know if they are concerned that the
information might generate more fear on this planet. It could be
that they are just trying to figure out a way to let us know.
Val: In order to deal with these kind of issues, perhaps one of
the other things Moraney might want to dwell on besides the
question about "what are children to do to cope with this energy
constructively?", is maybe come up with an effective series of
thought patterns to enable the processing of information in a
"neutral" way. However, I think most readers of The Leading Edge
are pretty much past the barrier of dealing with things only in
terms of fear, and people who have read it over a number of
years are already at the point where they can pretty much take
anything and process it constructively. That will come in the
future, since it will be delineated anyway.
Val: You noted that "we are all to become teachers" when the
Earth passes from the fourth density to the fifth. Are you able
to elaborate on that?
AC: Yes. Essentially, what is supposed to happen is that when we
move into fifth density, many of us for some reason are going to
find us back where we started with our extraterrestrial origin.
Val: In alien humanoid bodies from whence we came, before we
occupied bodies here.
AC: Exactly, and with all the experiences here. According to
Moraney, they will all be recognized as teachers and as a group
that has gone through a "first ever" transformation.
Val: On a recent Art Bell show, a fellow named Robert Ghostwolf
discussed a Native American perspective that "the only two ET
races that were attempting to help us were the Sirians and the
Andromedans." I wonder whether you had any comment relative to
AC: My understanding is that those from the Sirius A system are
trying to be beneficial and assist, because they feel
responsibility in that those who colonized Sirius B system were
originally from Sirius A. Those from Sirius B have come here and
really messed with our heads, and they are the ones who
originally gave our government the Montauk technology. They have
the same belief and brain patterns as those from Orion. Those
from Tau Ceti are also very much involved. Nobody knows exactly
the Pleaidians are going to do yet, but I will share this
Those that live in the system around
Alcyon - some of
them cannot be trusted, as they have hidden agendas. Those from
Taygeta, I am told, have a very clear objective: to maintain the
idea of freedom. Just because a group is labeled "Pleaidians"
doesn't mean they are here to help us. People confuse that
issue. Know them by their works. Those from Cygnus Alpha are
here. There is a group from Arcturus that is trying to help.
Those from Procyon, who have been liberated, are trying to help.
They're pretty gung ho.
Val: Well, all these species that are trying to help are limited
by the Prime Directive.
AC: Yes, they are.
Val: So, one would presume that they are waiting for a certain
threshold of a feeling of wishing assistance to manifest itself,
and that the threshold of feeling would overrule the Prime
Directive and allow things to happen.
AC: Well, they are waiting for 10% of the consciousness on the
planet to awaken and ask for some kind of intervention. That may
not come until after ... they may come shortly after
gets here, or after the World Government and ET's try to stage
Val: Obviously, Moranae and all these people have the ability to
travel in time and know everything that is going to happen.
Val: So, they must know whether or not, and when, the 10%
threshold is reached.
AC: Well, it will be reached no later than August 12, 2003.
Val: So, relative to any world government "games" relative to
Jerusalem and the emergence of
the Maitreya scenario toward the
end of 1996, wouldn't that paradoxically contribute toward the
movement toward a 10% threshold?
AC: Yes, it will. The regressives are going to mastermind their
own undoing. But, for some reason they are so desperate to try
to maintain control of us, and for some reason they don't want
to let our particular solar system and the other 21 go.
Val: What could that reason possibly be?
AC: I don't know, but there is a reason. There is more about us,
as humans, that I don't know, than there is that I do know.
Val: Do you have a particular perception of a relationship
HAARP and the
AC: No, but I know that the Andromedans are very concerned about
Montauk, because the humans who are working with this technology
are being given specific coordinates in space, and the regressives that are here can use that same technology and leave
here. The whole point is to track where they are going, so they
do not continue to propagate their belief systems.
Val: If the universe itself is being "jacked up" several
frequency levels, then it doesn't matter where they go to try
and get away. They will be stuck in the same boat.
AC: Well, this is true. But, my understanding is that the idea
is to limit the damage they do.
Val: Does this have to do with this 357 year period of tyranny
which the Andromedans are trying to prevent.
Val: Well, obviously they must know that it was prevented if
they can travel in time. That sounds like a paradox. They must
know that they either were or were not successful. Here is where
we start to drift into parallel lines of reality.
Val: This comes into the next question that I have. At one point
in your talk in Dallas, you indicated that according to the
Andromedans, our very next spiritual leap in consciousness will
come from the "quiet science of archeology". Yet, it was also
stated that many of the Dows (Greys) here and presumably the
government and other people, are time travellers who "tweak"
history. If in fact "new truths" are to proceed from archeology,
just how "true" can they be if literally everything is subject
to change and manipulation, in terms of "archeology" consisting
of "tactically planted evidence"?
AC: Well, look at this idea. When they first started this
manipulation, they had a specific agenda. But here in this
particular linear year, 1996, their agendas have radically
changed. They are faced with "survival" because there is another
threat to them. It is no longer just a matter of controlling
Earth humans, but it is also the fact that there are other alien
races in our atmosphere and in our solar system that are here to
help and to limit the damage. Their main concern now is not so
much totally manipulating us, but trying to get what it is they
want, or came here to get, and get out of here. Plus, you have
this frequency change. All I had tell you is that the
Andromedans had no idea that this sound frequency emanation from
the black holes was going to happen. No one foresaw this. It was
an instantaneous phenomenon that affected past, present and
future all at once.
Val: Now, despite the fact that the Andromedans can travel
outside of space-time and have a viewpoint of a probable line of
reality, when this sound frequency emanation happened it created
an entirely new probable line of reality. They couldn't have
AC: Yes, and a totally different set of probabilities. I don't
know about all of that.
Val: So, is it at all likely we could all wake up one morning
into a completely different reality?
AC: I think it's possible for some beings, but I don't think
it's possible for all of us. I think that it is going to be a
gradual transformation of consciousness. We are all essentially
going to change our minds and create something else, and it will
be voluntary and more of a group effort. A part of us will
awaken and we will know what it is that we have to do. I don't
think it's going to change totally overnight, in an instant.
They have never said it would happen that way. Otherwise there
would be no need to give us specific dates. It is supposed to be
a gradual process. If they are right, then the reason there is
third density is because we created it. We have to implode it
responsibly in such a way where a certain set of circumstances
have to occur so that we can allow those who have chosen not to
evolve a chance to create their space to continue to evolve.
Val: From the point of view of the regressives, then, they would
be "escaping" something -- something like a realization by the
mass population of how they have been hoodwinked.
AC: Yes. They would probably have that kind of perspective.
Val: I mean, they can't go anywhere in this solar system in the
third density. Could they go to a different density?
AC: I don't know that it is an option they now have. I am pretty
sure that fourth and fifth density are quarantined, because I
know a group of Greys tried to dimensionally skip out, and they
were caught -- their ship was 21 miles in length. They were
going interdimensional when they got caught, so I don't think
that's an option.
Val: There is apparently a parallel Earth that is one or two
overtones above this one, that is actively participating in the
subjugation of this particular overtone, together with world
government factions like the NSA and Montauk technology. So,
presumably, with the "uplifting" of the general vibratory
resonance on all frequency levels, these other overtones
containing regressives would be lifted upward to a point where
they would have to cease that line of thought?
AC: That's a great question. Nobody has ever asked me about
this. My understanding is that even as far back as 1931, a
parallel reality had been created. It was something that one of
the societies in Germany was involved in. Perhaps the Vril. They
were playing with something. Anyway, my understanding is that
any parallel realities having their origin out of the original
timeline are going to implode back into the original timeline.
Val: So, there is a main line of reality into which they would
AC: Basically the line of reality that we ourselves are familiar
Val: And the New World Order?
AC: It's going to manifest itself, but it is going to be very
short-lived. The reason it is going to manifest itself is that
it is a reality above us.
Val: In another overtone.
AC: Yes. So its going to manifest itself here because that
reality will be imploding into this one.
Val: So, one of the keys to the apparent perception, in a linear
sense, of when this would happen, would be the coincidence of
the collapse of the planetary magnetic field and the increase of
the resonant Schumann frequency at a certain point in linear
AC: Well, that would be around August 12, 2003. It's supposed to
get really weird here. I mean, like, really weird.
Val: I once read a book called Illuminati, a white book with a
disclaimer in front, that described a social situation where all
the "bad guys" were discovered by the public and put into their
own concentration camps. The public became enraged and
sequestered the government.
AC: Well, I have been given a probability about a scenario just
like that, and I have only been given this probability relative
to here in the United States, that those that have betrayed us
as a people, as a nation, as a race, that are in this country,
that we consider to be our own "countrymen", will be hanged by
the neck in front of the capital building. The United States of
American will no longer be called the United States of America.
It will be called The Union of American Republics.
Val: So, having said that, what exactly is the probability?
AC: At the time I asked, it was over 90%. The people will change
Val: How comforting. Could the phenomenon going on in Texas
right now with the secession be the beginning of this process?
AC: Yes. I think so. What is interesting about that is that I
have been told just recently that Bahrain was going to offer
gold to Texas to back their currency. Now, it will be
interesting to see if that actually happens. The regressives
want to divide us against each other. That's the Orion paradigm.
Val: So, along with this 90+% probability, was there a linear
AC: The probability then was that this would occur in July 2004.
Val: It is interesting that the apparent NWO implementation date
is 2002, one year short of the Andromedan Council expulsion
order for all extraterrestrial influence, and that presumably if
this ban destined for 2003 takes place, then somewhere between
2002 and 2003 you would have a mass exodus of "bad guys", both
human and otherwise, and that this would permit a total collapse
of the regressive regime, allowing the Union of American
Republics to form in 2004.
AC: Yes, it would. But again I wish to stress that the
probability was 90+%, not 100%. You know, Val, the people who
are working in the government like the NSA, specific renegade
groups in the CIA, the KGB, the Black Guard.... there is a lot
that they are not being told. As much as they think they know,
they do not know. I know that they are way in over their heads.
They are just being used, but they are still implanted with
these extraterrestrial belief systems, these Orion prejudices
and illusions of grandeur that they are "the superior race". I
feel sorry for them in a way, because they just don't have a
clue. They have already separated themselves so much from
reality, that they are living a completely different reality
already. Moranae has said that the regressives could not be
rehabilitated. They are already on a completely different course
on a consciousness level.
Val: This is where you get the growth, through intent, of
another three dimensional "pocket" in reality in which these
people will find themselves until they can get it together.
AC: That's correct.
Val: And it's the intent and the resonance that creates. There
will be a point after the collapse of the probable realities
having their origin in the original line into the original line,
where probable realities then can easily be created, and this is
the process that allows the formation of these resonant reality
AC: That's right.
Val: So, there is a null point between the point of probable
reality-line implosion and the zero point where things begin to
move through fourth into fifth. Is that accurate?
AC: Yes, that sounds accurate.
Val: What have you gleaned about the structure of the creation
of probable realities and its relation to original time streams?
What does it take to create a probable stream of reality for a
planetary culture? Is it a general planetary emotional trauma
which creates a diversion in creative reality streams?
AC: My understanding is that it all comes down to intent. If
each individual person holds a particular intent which they
freely have created, and 10% or more of the planetary population
holds that intent at any given time, you literally pull that
reality to you. It all focuses on intent, and that is something
that we are all individually responsible for. The cost of
freedom is responsibility. We have not paid enough attention to
creating reality. We are caught in the idea of just experiencing
Val: It has an interesting parallel to your statement that with
the Andromedan culture, education is paramount, whereas with our
culture distraction is paramount.
AC: Yes, the children here are learning nothing. They are not
learning how to think for themselves. They are being taught what
to think, to spit out facts and belief systems, and to consume.
This process puts the idea, the intent and the emotion outside
of themselves, as opposed to the process of turning that
creativity inward to create better selves. That is something
that the Andromedans teach their young, is to better the self.
Now, we have some really special children being born in our
world, and it's going to be the kids that are really going to
make the major shift on a consciousness level to help us. There
are a lot of people who are absolutely not prepared, and they
are not going to be able to deal with the new realities. The
kids are, and I have been told that many of the children who are
coming to this world now already have a third strand of DNA.
They are aware, but they don't know how to put it into words.
It's kind of like living in a dream. When it all falls into
place, they are going to teach us what they know. They are just
going to know this stuff.
Val: Getting back to one of the earlier questions, relative to
young people not knowing what to do with the energy released by
changes in the DNA structure, is is possible for you to glean,
even on a superficial level, what these teens should do until
Moranae gives a more definitive answer?
AC: I would say that these kids need to be able to have groups
that they can go to and just talk about what they see, what they
dream about and what they feel. Because it could be that a lot
of these kids feel something totally different than what it is
they're being told is reality here.
Val: Which would be about par, really.
AC: Yes, I think on some level we've all been through that at
one point. The kids today are very different -- especially those
that have the third strand. They know more than us, but a space
has to be created to allow them to express it and not have it be
judged. Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean it's
wrong. It just means we don't understand it.
Val: A rose is a rose.
AC: Right. That's my only guess. Teens are committing suicide at
an alarming rate.
Val: And elderly people as well.
AC: Right. Everybody wants to get out of here, and that's a
Val: In your understanding, with the change in frequency and
density level, for those people who end up taking that route to
get out of here, what happens to them?
AC: I don't know. I will ask the question. I know there is no
"hell". They don't burn or fry for that act. That is not a
reality. I don't know if they go to a way-station and get healed
and then go someplace else, or come back. I don't know.
Val: Earth changes are something people are interested in,
presumably to give them something to do while they are waiting
for other things to happen....is there any perspective relative
to any specificity about this?
AC: Well, I know that they could start at any time. Both coasts
will be in jeopardy.
Val: We are about 50 miles from Mount Rainier here.
AC: You might find yourself moving inland.
Val: We'll be up to our ash in ash.
AC: I think it will be a lot higher than that, depending on how
tall you are. You know, it's the earth reacting to the frequency
shifting and to the consciousness. She is literally stuck
between a rock and a hard place. She wants to go up, but at the
same time she doesn't want to destroy us in the process. I am
amazed at the intensity of intention and attention to detail we
Val: The Germans would be proud. Attention to detail.
AC: Yes, but we've lost the essence with our focus on the
Val: How to the Andromedans view the concept of the creator?
AC: Their conception of God is that they really don't know what
it is. Even those on 11th density going through this shift to
12th don't know. They are having a hard time explaining what is
happening to them because their current mode of communication
doesn't explain the experience they have just gone through. The
Andromedans have always referred to it as the Isness, which is
an essence that holds everything together.
Val: And it is coincident with love as a frequency.
AC: Yes it is, and this whole space was created in a space of
love. It is the primal creative force. The Andromedans really
love us, and I think their interaction with our planet has
caused a shift within them. I know that Moranae and Vasais have
both become more emotional and expressive, and I think that this
is rubbing off on all the other races that are here helping.
Val: Of course, emotion is the basis for creation.
AC: Yes it is, but a lot of the races are very technical, and we
are in our infancy when it comes to that. Yet, look at what we
have created without the technology that they have. I have
before that the Andromedans are extremely awed by our ability to
create things. You know, when you leave the house how everything
stays there - it doesn't dematerialize. Our intent to create. All
the detail in life. They are in awe of this. Third density is
like jello to those above.
Val: I guess if I were to ask the Andromedans anything at this
point, in the spirit of things that are to take place on this
planet, it would be what they could offer to all of us as
guidelines in order to assist the population through these
changes, based on their knowledge of what is to come. I trust
they will do this.
Val: I have heard that physiological life span in shorter in
space. Is this at all accurate in your understanding?
Val: I suppose it depends on the resonant frequency at which you
AC: There you go.
Val: On a recent Art Bell program, when the astronauts were
being interviewed, one of them revealed that to him, space
looked shiny like patent leather shoes. I found that to be
interesting. Can you see the stars in space?
AC: That's a good question. If you were in a space that
contained no atmosphere, it would be mostly black. Of course,
some of the stars we see in space from the earth no longer
exist, since the light takes so long to reach us. As far as
their comment on shinyness of space, that is no something I have
experienced. That would almost suggest a holograph.
Val: Oh no! As if they weren't in enough trouble already in the
AC: That would mean that the "shinyness" is bouncing from
Val: Do you have anything else in mind that you would like to
say to everyone at this point?
AC: I would like to just stress this, I think. The singular most
important thing I would like to stress to people, from the point
of all I have learned and all that I still need to learn, is
that the bottom line is that we should not turn on each other.
We all created this and are continuing to create this.
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