Project Camelot Interviews Dr Pete Peterson
Part 1
Related Reports for Part 2
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The probable (in Dr Peterson's strong
opinion)
collapse of the economy,
infrastructure, and law and order in the US
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The planned
disclosure of the ET presence
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The
Aurora (now retired from service
and replaced by vehicles capable of superluminal travel) and the
TR3B (the large flying triangle,
which functions as an aircraft carrier)
Video Transcription
Ed note
Normally the
transcripts that had any parts in them that had been difficult
for the transcribers to hear were put in “audibles” in square
brackets in red for Bill Ryan to attend to, fix, then he’d post
the transcript; however, due to unexpected interruptions in the
normal working process in Project Camelot, this normal process
was not able to proceed forward, so the audibles were left in
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Intro
Dr. PETE PETERSON (PP):
...It’s an area that’s very highly defendable. That was very important
because of my belief, and the belief of many other people that I have
great respect for, that the world is going through a... I’ll call it a
meltdown.
...Once the people found out what had done to them by their
representatives, they felt that it would be much better for their health
and safety to be somewhere else.
...My understanding, it was the third-ever closed session of Congress.
...We found that no matter where the politician was and what committee
he was on, when top secret things were talked about, they wanted to
close the session early so they could get out and put their tips out to
the news. We don’t have any confidentiality in that. It leaked out, I’m
sure.
BR: Am I right in assuming that you wouldn’t contradict those leaks?
PP: I wouldn’t contradict them at all.
BR: Thank you.
Beginning of Interview
BILL RYAN (BR): This is Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy from Project
Camelot and this is Monday, June the 29th, 2009. And this is a Project
Camelot interview with a difference because not only have I flown the
best part of 8,000 miles – at least it feels like, if it's not quite
that many – from Europe to be here for the weekend, but we are also here
with David Wilcock, who has also flown from Los Angeles here for the
weekend, to join us in a meeting that we had with Dr. Pete Peterson,
who’s a name that not many people will know, but may be – among the many
extraordinary whistleblowers and contacts and researchers and scientists
who we have had the great pleasure of talking to – may be one of the
most important.
Yesterday we were talking off-record for the best part of twelve hours
and our minds are still digesting an enormous amount of extraordinary
information that he shared with us, some of which is off-record. As much
as possible, Pete is willing to put on record here, on camera, because
you feel, don't you, Pete, that there is a profound and important reason
why the sort of people who will be watching this video need to hear what
it is that you have to say.
We want to salute you because you're a very brave man. One of the things
we want to ask you straight off the cuff is why is it that you feel that
you wanted to put some of your almost unbelievable and very important
testimonies on camera for a lot of people to listen to and watch and
understand at this time? Why is it that you've come forward and you're
talking to us now?
Dr. PETE PETERSON (PP): Well, I think the main reason for that is
I've had an inside insight for many, many years, having been picked up
in various programs to do things for the government since I was 13 years
old. Being a problem-solver, I wish I could say that it was hard work
and so forth, but I come from a long line of inventors on both sides of
my family tree, and people who graduated from school very early and were
significant in affecting things that affected humanity, a number of
them, in virtually every kind of field and climate.
I see that the world seems to have gone downhill. I'm aware of many
programs to remove intelligence from people and return the people, at
least of this nation [America], to a mediocre status. We've watched the
school systems deteriorate. We've watched the, as my wife likes to say,
the program in the school systems No child left with a mind. (That's her
paraphrase for it.)
And I've seen that the type of government we have... though I'm a
patriot and very crudely use the phrase that I got the flag tattooed on
both cheeks of my fanny the hard way. I spent ten years in the Marine
Corps and a great part of that was in combat and combat zones and other
things I did for the government. I like to think I'm unique in that I
was probably shot at on most continents.
Anyway, what I see happening is a complete turn away from the way this
country started out and in its Constitution to what appears to be headed
toward a socialistic system where reason and logic has no bearing.
It concerns me. I have no idea if my voice can help. I have no idea if
that can, but I know that my ideas, I have ideas, I have inventions that
have proven to be very helpful to society. Many of them have been
suppressed by the fact that we had a government that was run by industry
rather than by the people. It's turned away from that, and many
industries are actually governed by rules and regulations that make it
virtually impossible for them to exist if they do things that are good
for humanity.
For example, we've had numerous things that have happened in the
industry of alternative power that were very inexpensive, very capable.
But what we do is we've, through their own legislation, limited the
power companies to being able to charge a certain amount over and above
their costs, so when their costs went down, their profit went down and
they couldn't economically operate.
BR: What I would love to ask you about, Pete, before we go into
some of the stories that you have to tell – and we have good reason to
believe that, having spent the best part of twelve hours yesterday
talking about a tiny fraction of your experience, I think that we could
probably talk, literally, for days – what the people watching this video
are really concerned about, I think, is what can you help them
understand better than they do at the moment about what's really
happening on this planet at the moment? What are the agendas of the
controllers? How much trouble are we in and what can people do?
And I want to put that question on hold because this is the purpose of
this video as far as we're concerned.
There's a whole separate topic, which is a technological topic, because
this man we're talking to now has told us about technology that we
didn't know existed. My brain is still reeling over a conversation that
we had at breakfast this morning about which I'm going to say nothing.
Now, before we start all of that – and that was a wonderful overview
that you gave about your intentions – can you give us a little bit of a
timeline of your career history which started when you were very young?
A little bit about the kind of things you've been involved in? We're not
asking you to name names, but we just want to present you as somebody
who people can get some kind of an idea of who this person is that we're
talking to whose name they haven't heard before.
PP: Well, I can do that. A very interesting thing we were talking
about... I have no idea where these thoughts came to me, but I know that
very early on in life I was so different from the people around me that
I thought that probably I fell from the sky in a titanium egg and landed
in my grandfather’s orchard and my parents found me there.
BR: And I think you're probably right, actually, having talked to you
for two days.
[laughter]
PP: Until I was about 22, I actually believed that.
DAVID WILCOCK (DW): [touching Pete on the shoulder with his finger] He
is real. He's solid.
PP: Then I quit believing that when I was in my mid-20s and in my last
few years – I'm nearly 70 – and in my last few years, I've started
believing that again. Because I find that the people I'm stuck with here
on this little spaceship Earth don't seem to have the same view of
anything. It may be that I'm just wacky, but my wackiness has made a lot
of products and made a lot of sense to a number of people throughout my
life.
For some reason I... well, it’s probably genetics, because on both of my
parents’ sides I have long lines of geniuses that extend back in
history. I grew up in a home that was entirely powered and heated and
cooled, in a very temperate climate, was powered by the sun and by
atmospheric pressure change. It was a home that had a gallery inside of
it, much like Mexican haciendas, but was covered, where we grew all of
our meat products in the form of chickens and rabbits and such, and
where we grew all of our food products.
BR: So you had an interesting and unusual upbringing.
PP: I had an interesting and unusual upbringing. We drove in cars that
my father made and invented. We lived in homes that my father built out
of strange materials that were very highly insulated. My dad was a
pioneer in tilt-up concrete buildings and was an engineer for the
military in my youth through the Second World War.
BR: And you were hand-picked and chosen for a special program when you
were as young as 13. Is this correct?
PP: Yes, I distinguished myself at age 10 by building a number of
rockets that held world altitude records, and by inventing a material
that's used even today to power solid-fuel rockets. That material got
out of my hands because I'm not a businessman, and wasn't a businessman,
and freely gave it away and other people capitalized on it. But I liked
explosions, and so, early on, started building rockets.
BR: There's a wonderful story that you told us yesterday that we'd love
to say again very briefly. I'm going to be using the word briefly in my
questions here with an apology, because we know that you could talk with
us, literally, for days about the extraordinary experiences you've had,
the things that you know, the things you've been told, the things that
you strongly believe with good reason. But one of the stories that we
wanted you to tell is what happened one day, when you were ten years
old, with a bunch of adults, and you had an extraordinary experience.
PP: Well, I'll preface that just a little bit with the fact that, as I
was growing up, it was in a very small country town about three blocks
long and not a lot of people. My parents had a home that had a formal
garden, and many of the local people would borrow that for weddings and
family reunions and things like that, which my parents gladly lent them
the facilities. There was a wedding that went on and, as I remember, it
was kind of in maybe June or July of 1950.
At that point I had very limited educational resources in this tiny
town, but one of the books that got me very, very interested in ancient
peoples and anthropology and archeology was the book that was written
about the discovery of King Tut's tomb. About the time I finished that
book, it got me very, very excited to learn about the Egyptians, and
learn about the technologies that they had, and who they were and how
they built the Pyramids. A lecturer came to town, the man who wrote the
book Kon-Tiki, Thor Heyerdahl. Then that got me excited, so I decided I
wanted to be an anthropologist-archaeologist and was dead set on it and
reading everything I could get through the state library system on that
subject.
Along came this wedding, and just about as the preacher was to say the
words of destruction to the bride and groom, someone pointed up to the
sky and said: What’s that? And everyone turned around – there were about
130 people there – everyone turned around and looked. And for the next
two hours everyone at the wedding watched a series and groups of what I
can only call flying saucers flying through the air – some as close as
maybe 100 feet and some as far away as, maybe, 20 miles – put on a
spectacular show. Everyone there saw it, as did many people in the
surrounding community.
DW: Were they all the same?
PP: No, there were very different ones. Some were the shape of a pencil
and seemed to have windows along the periphery. Some were round like a
ball. Some were saucer-shaped with a bubble or a dome on top, some
saucer-shaped with two or three bubbles on the bottom. If you go back
and look through the various flying saucer sightings that we’ve heard
about over the years, there was probably one or two of everything we’ve
ever heard about. [laughs] These things would dash away clear out of
sight and come back. They would run away from the people at the wedding
party directly, so you were looking just at one spot...
BR: And the significance of this is that, at this point, you made a
major life change. Right?
PP: At this point I made a major life change. I decided I was much less
interested in King Tut than I was in having my own flying saucer.
BR: Right.
PP: So immediately started studying science. I’ve studied science ever
since, much of it toward the end of building my own flying saucer. Over
the years I came to the conclusion that to build a flying saucer, you
really needed to know first how to build what I call a Doctor Who phone
booth.
For those who don’t know, Dr. Who was a British science fiction spoof
that runs on many stations in America about 1:00 AM to 2:00 AM, and
there’ve been something like six or seven different Dr. Who’s over the
years, it’s run so long. Dr. Who had a red British phone booth...
BR: He didn’t have a red British phone booth. He had a black police
phone box. It was a police phone box. It wasn’t a red one.
PP: Ah. Okay, alright. He had a two-holer British phone booth and he
would go into it and it would become a time machine.
DW: It was called the TARDIS.
PP: It was called the TARDIS. So he was a Time Lord and he would travel
back and forth in both space and time. So, as I tried to figure out how
to build a flying saucer, I found out it was easier to build a TARDIS.
Then I got thinking: Well, who wants to just shove an aerodynamic body
through air when you can just simply get somewhere and dial your
destination and walk out where you are, and you don’t have to push
anything through the air?
Anyway, I worked toward that end and have done many, many science
projects, some for large corporations, some for – we’ll call them
“agencies” – and many of them for myself. I’m in the process now, at age
69, of building a laboratory to complete the work that I’ve done, and
having acquired a number of very special pieces of equipment for
researching such things.
So that’s what I’m about right now. I’m in the process of building that
laboratory in a remote location where there are very little man-made
magnetic fields. We don’t really get television or radio direct much
here and have very, very little man-made interference – electromagnetic
interference – and it allows me to do my work that I need to do. So
that’s the life change that happened when I was ten years old and so
I’ve been on that pursuit ever since.
BR: And we would say be careful what you wish for because now you have
the understanding, as far as you have told us in our conversations so
far, you have actually the understanding, if you don’t have the factory,
to actually be able to make these machines. You can also confirm that
the Powers That Be on planet Earth actually have access to this
technology and use it for all kinds of reasons. Is this correct?
PP: As far as I can tell, there are a number of governments that have
this technology. My feeling is, and/or my knowledge is, that it’s been
acquired from people who came to this planet from off planet. And it’s
been from the reading of a lot of ancient documents dating back as far
as 6,000 years.
BR: To the Sumerians.
PP: To the Sumerians. I have a Sumerian document that’s been translated
that tells exactly how to build a flying saucer and it’s a direct
translation. It probably doesn’t give everything, but it certainly gives
the principles and I’ve experimented with a number of those principles
and find out that things take place that in modern physics aren’t
possible.
I’ve worked with a group of scientists that have recently discovered
things in both mathematics and science that would lead me to believe
that the greater part of science that we have today – and I have a PhD
degree in Natural Philosophy, which they used to call Physics, that took
a lot of effort to acquire – and it leads me to believe that these
ancient documents portray knowledge that we simply don’t have, and that
the knowledge we do have is wrong.
BR: And you’ve been privileged to spend time in the Vatican library. Is
this something you can talk about on record?
PP: Uh... probably. Well, I can talk about things that... There is a lot
of information there that is very contrary to things that we believe
very deeply, both philosophically and scientifically, and that’s
basically been held away from the public – it’s not common knowledge – a
lot of translations which, I think, probably came from the remnants of
what didn’t burn in the Great Library of Alexandria, very ancient
documents.
I was involved, for a time, with machine language translation of a lot
of that material which was, in those days, somewhat crude but at least
it gave us some ideas. And the ones that looked good were later
translated by people who had done, you know, lifetime studies of the
language, and I think they’re pretty fair translations.
BR: Are you able to say anything about anything that you learned about
the Annunaki? Or is this off-record as well?
PP: Well, the Anunnaki, who are written about in the Christian and
Jewish Bible texts... there are... I’ve seen skeletons of what we call
giants.
There’ve been recent giants. They are, you know, people that would
travel around with traveling circuses and so forth that were very, very
large through genetic problems that they had; genetic errors. All of
them had joint problems; they had organ problems; they died young; the
bodies couldn’t support the weight, things like that.
But some of the skeletons don’t show those anomalies that one would see.
They’re very well-formed. They’re very much like our skeletons in many
respects. They were written about in the Bible and they were written
about in other ancient texts, so one has to believe...
I know that there were numerous suggestions that DNA tests be run on
them once we got DNA testing pretty well down, and I know those have
been thwarted by various religions and various school bodies, people not
wanting to say that there are things that we don’t understand, or that
they don’t understand or that they don’t want to understand.
BR: But we human beings are from ET lineage - are we not?
PP: My belief is that... I’ll give you an example. Radio carbon dating
has become very, very accurate. We have very good records of cave men
that didn’t have a language. Some drew pictures, some didn’t. We found
caves with their tools in them, with the evidences of their
civilization, with their making crude tools and things. There’ve been a
number of spots that those were found, especially in Africa and Europe
and the Middle East.
Then, all of a sudden, over an 80-year period, emerged a civilization
that, for 3,000 years, had the same language and the same religion and
the same writing and the same mathematics, and was very, very advanced
from things that came afterward. And, you know, in modern history since,
oh, let’s say 300 BC, we haven’t had any civilization that didn’t change
the language to where you couldn’t read it in a 300-year period.
BR: Sure. Yeah. Now, many of the viewers of this video will be aware of
the influence on ancient Sumeria, where this fully-developed
civilization seemed to appear from nowhere. I was just asking whether
you can confirm in any way what a lot of people suspect, which is that
we actually are, have been, created or engineered by ETs, who knew what
they were doing and who wanted to create us for special purposes.
PP: Well, I don’t have absolute proof of that. That’s one reason I’m
building the laboratory here. But one of the things I did notice in the
late ‘70s and early ‘80s... I did a lot of medical equipment
engineering, and I designed a machine that would read a field that
surrounded the human body and could give you a read-out on the condition
of the organs, organ by organ, in the body. Then it could locate or
find, or even create, a medication that would fix it. One of the things
that I found was, in the early beginning, that that machine could pretty
accurately come up with a diagnosis rate of 50 percent.
Of course, I wanted it to be perfect and spent a number of years finding
out that the reason I didn’t get over 50 percent was because a lot of
people had genetic errors in their genetic system. As a result of that,
they had disease processes that were based on those genetic errors. So
you had to treat them very different - these people who had a disease
that was based on virii or germs, or other... parasites especially.
So I finally got it to where about 70 to 75 percent of the diagnoses
appeared correct and the selection of medication treatment appeared
correct. Then I thought: Well, okay. There’s 25 percent here that I
really don’t understand.
It was about, oh, ten or fifteen years later that we got pretty familiar
with and pretty good with genetic testing, and I found that that 15
percent of people had very, very similar sequences in the DNA that were
unlike the other 85 percent of the people – and they were unlike
anything else on Earth. They appeared to be alien to the Earth. So I
thought: Well, that well could be through exposure to some form of solar
radiation or some type of ionizing radiation.
So we looked at people that lived in areas that had natural radioactive
compounds, like the areas in southern Utah where a lot of the carnotite
and other uranium-bearing ores were mined and people that spent time
there, people that were in fallout zones of nuclear testing at the
nuclear test center in Nevada...
[Ed note: a video splice begins here on a different topic] We sent the
Gemini capsule up, and it went up – the first capsule that went up – so
we’re all sitting in Mission Control and called up and you know, Ground
to capsule, Ground to capsule. Hello. Do you read us?
[Pete makes noise like muffled radio communication] ...comes back and
there was dead silence and then everybody laughed because we had the
thing, the last guy that went to work had to be the guy that ran for
lunch, and right down the street from JPL, right above the Rose Bowl,
was like one the first Jack-in-the-Boxes. And you’d drive in and you’d
order, and they’d repeat order back and it’d come back [makes noise like
muffled radio communication] and you couldn’t hear a word. So everybody
realized that these astronauts had taken their turn going and getting
lunch, and etcetera, etcetera, and everybody laughed and thought they
were simulating the Jack-in-the-Box effect.
It turns out that that was the best communication that we had, so
immediately Chris Kraft turns to me and says: Peterson! Solve this
problem. So I made a thing that we eventually called the “Lecture
Laundry” and it was a device that found out why such things took place.
And they still take place. You still go to drive-ins and you can’t
understand a darn thing.
But I built some no-noise microphones that also had a device that
removed all of that problem. We found out that there are three narrow
pass bands for all the information as speech is recorded.
Two of them record the information. One of them gives you the
identification of the speaker. But that one pass band that gives you the
speaker identification has to have a variable frequency start–up and
drop-off. So you have little knob on it, so you turn it on in a lecture
[Ed. note: loudspeaker mode] and turn this knob until you can hear the
speaker very, very clearly. And you can hear them perfectly. You don’t
hear the airplanes go over, the police cars go by, people shuffling
their papers, the noise from the cooling fan, the noise from the rear
projection fan, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
So anyway, it’s one of the little things out of my life. But I used to
build those and when I moved to build my new laboratory nine years ago,
I quit building those. So that’s one of the products I intend to get put
back into production.
[Ed note: end video splice here; the 15% alien DNA topic resumes.]
I checked to see why I couldn’t get the final 15 percent of the
diagnostic readings correct and finally came to the conclusion that it
was because these people had DNA that had come from off planet. That led
me to think: Well, if that’s the case, there must be some kind of
historical record.
And when I went back and looked at the historical record, I found out
that there are numerous records and archaeological evidence that we were
visited by people from off planet – very probably, in my opinion, not
only off planet but extraterrestrial or extra-Solar-System-type of
visitors.
You know, there’s so many different people that claim having seen such
things, that they existed, seen such peoples. There are several broad
categories of such aliens. A few, a small percentage of those, could be
attributed to anything from paranoia to just tall tales or whatever, but
when you have as many as there are, all the way down through all of
recorded history, it leads one to believe that it probably was very,
very true that such things existed.
As an example, anyone who wants to find something from the past, read
Ezekiel in the Bible.
BR: In the course of your work, have you encountered any documentation
about the existence of our relationship with creatures like that?
PP: I have. Most of them I can’t talk about.
BR: Sure.
PP: But yes, I’ve seen things written by scientists that I have very
high respect for. Some were teachers of mine. Some were people that I
work with scientifically in other fields, and there were casual
conversations about such things. That’s why I have the beliefs that I
have, that we have extraterrestrial DNA in our bodies... some of us do.
It’s rather interesting to note that there’s been a lot of supposition
about various programs to reprogram people’s minds, to throw their
thinking off, to cause them to believe things that aren’t necessarily
true, but politically would be a very good thing for those in politics
and in government and in religion. It’s interesting to note that mind
control techniques work on 85 percent of the people, and the 15 percent
that they don’t work well on are people that have that particular DNA
string.
BR: Ah-ha. Okay.
PP: So, just another verification that those people are very different
from the average person.
DW: Pete, I’m sure we’re going to have tons of people wanting to know,
of this 15 percent DNA category, is it all one type of person, like one
race? Or are they distributed throughout the population? And if you
can’t tell us, you can’t tell us.
PP: No, they obviously run in family trees, along family tree lines or
family lines, but they’re pretty well distributed throughout all
different cultures and races.
DW: Thank you. I thought that was the case but I wanted that on record.
PP: Which, again, would be, to me, a confirmation that that probably did
happen because why would someone come and select just one race or one
family line?
BR: So there’s black and white and red and...
PP: Red and yellow and green and blue and whatever.
KERRY CASSIDY (KC): How about your DNA? Are you one of those?
PP: As far as I know, I am.
BR: We probably all are in this room. [laughs]
PP: We probably all are in this room. Matter of fact, I’ve found that,
as the last ten or twelve years have progressed, I’ve noticed that many
people, when I talk to them about things that I know that are a fact in
both science, mathematics and in history, as well as in my belief
system, I talk to certain people and the 85 percent that I don’t seem to
have a medical problem with, i.e., the ones that have “normal” human
DNA...
BR: Don’t seem to understand what you’re talking about. [laughs]
PP: When I talk to them, it used to be that they would call me crazy, or
it used to be that they’d be really interested and want to learn about
it. But, nowadays when you talk to those people, when you’re done
talking they don’t say: That’s crazy. You’re crazy. I don’t believe it.
They come back into consciousness and start talking like you’d never
said a word.
KC: Absolutely.
BR: Yeah. Interesting. So the people watching this video are probably
among the 15 percent. They’re self-selective in many areas, this is what
we find.
PP: Well, from what you’ve told me about the people that you deal with,
I would believe that. They’re probably in that 15 percent.
BR: Okay. Now, there’s so many places we can go from this conversation,
but there’s something important which I want to grab, here and now, and
that is: You made an allusion a few minutes ago to when you moved here
nine years ago to be in a very quiet, secluded place with your
laboratory which you are building to do your work. What can you say
about why you are here and why people who are elsewhere might one day
wish that they were also here?
PP: Well, that's something that, in our talks over the last day or so,
we haven't really gotten into but I'm in an area that had two
requirements for me and for some of the people who I do various things
for that are not to be named.
One of them is this area is very secluded from man-made electromagnetic
radiation. It's a deep valley with high mountains surrounding it in 360
degrees. The entrance to it is through a very narrow long, winding
canyon. So we don't really get radio here, or television, directly. The
power that comes in here does have interference on it as well as it has
information on it. But it's very, very secluded, informationally.
Then the place that I chose here is kind of back in a little notch in
the mountains, so it’s even more secluded. That was one reason.
The other reason is it’s an area that’s very highly defendable. That was
very important because of my belief, and the belief of many other people
that I have great respect for, that the world is going through a... I’ll
call it a meltdown. We’re going through a change. The
alternative-thought radio and television shows and motion pictures and
books and movies are all fraught with the fact that something major is
going to happen in 2010 or 2012 – the end of the Mayan calendar, Earth
changes, a number of things.
The Yellowstone caldera is very, very active. There are areas up there
where the ground has risen. My understanding is it’s risen about four
feet. We all know that there’s got to be major volcanic activity under
Yellowstone area because we can go up there and see the mud pots
bubbling and Old Faithful geysering and smell the sulfur coming out of
Hades.
BR: And, metaphorically, the same thing may be happening politically.
PP: Exactly. The same thing happening politically. Best I can tell,
we’ve been printing not only billions, but trillions of dollars, with
nothing to back them whatsoever. Right now I have very dear friends in
China that are offering me mature T-bills and mature US bonds that they
can’t seem to get cashed, that they’re offering for 10 cents on the
dollar.
And there are trillions of dollars worth. It would be enough that, if
the world court system would enforce their eventual payment, every man,
woman and child in the United States would have to work for four or five
generations to pay them off.
BR: What’s the connection between that and your being here?
PP: Well, that, and my being here is I’m in an area that, because if
it’s geographical location, has four seasons but it has a good growing
season. The area where I am exports both agricultural and meat product
in far greater amounts than the people here would consume.
One pry bar, or one stick of dynamite, would shut access – not egress
particularly – but it certainly would shut access off so that if there
were, indeed, a failure of the currency and ensuing political and
certainly geopolitical meltdown, this area would be very protected from
large groups of people with no money and therefore no food and no energy
and whatever. People who’d come looking for food would probably come to
an area like this.
BR: Is there anything you can say about your belief of the likelihood of
these events transpiring?
PP: I’ve been lead to believe in numerous briefings and people that I
know in fields that very definitely would know and so forth, they’ve all
warned me that I should be at a place like this. Many people, even those
from Europe and other places, that had very heavy financial connections
in major cities around the world have closed those offices down, and a
great number of them have expressed a desire to move here if they
haven’t already moved here.
BR: And you mean here to this particular area?
PP: Here to this particular area.
BR: Uh-huh. So you believe that there is something very important
happening this year and this one of the reasons why you’re talking to
us?
PP: That’s one of the reasons why I’m talking. I’ve kind of, if you
would, come out of the closet because I think that the people that I
find have... The people now that are, say, 27 years old and younger,
have gone through a school system that hasn’t schooled them, hasn’t
trained them – obviously – because if you know anything about education,
has very specifically not trained them and not schooled them in
political science, certainly, and in politics and in economics, and
certainly geo-economics. They just seem... they don’t have an idea of
what’s gone on.
You know, we look at a President that complained entirely about all the
money that the previous President spent, then in the first 90 days spent
ten times as much. Now it was turned over to the Fed to spend it and the
Fed, in congressional testimony on television, said: We don’t have any
idea where that money went. We have no idea. We can tell you where two
billion of it went, but we certainly can’t tell you where seven trillion
of it went, or six trillion of it went. We don’t have any idea.
And, you know, the people have just let that pass by: Oh, that means
that ourselves and the next four generations of progeny are going to
have to work their whole lives to pay this debt off. And yet we don’t
even have any idea where it went or who has it. It’s certainly not out
there helping the economy.
BR: Mm-hm. Now, if this occurs, would this be a worldwide problem? I
mean, like the collapse of the dollar...
PP: Well, it is a worldwide problem. I mean, look back at James Burke's
programs on Connections. The thing of it is – this is my opinion – but
the Unions had to do something to get the Union members to pay their
dues, and the only thing they really could do was increase their
salaries. So the Unions have increased their salaries to a point where
the work has had to move off-shore, because we don’t have people that
are willing to work and be blue-collar workers anymore. They want to
work and get white-collar wages.
The white-collar people want to get white-collar wages, rather than
wages that were consistent with their production so, in essence, they’ve
stolen from the blue-collar workers and stolen from the rest of the
world by loaning them money and then taking all their natural resources
at very low rates.
This has happened all over the world. It hasn’t just happened here.
We’re seeing economies beginning to fail everywhere. We’ve been dealing
with a system now for, oh, 70 years or better, of fiat money – money
that’s backed with nothing. It’s like was said about the Irish when they
moved into New York and into Boston: Everybody made money by taking in
the neighbor’s wash.
BR: Sure. In your personal opinion, and if you can qualify that personal
opinion, it would be useful - what do you think may happen if there’s
some tipping-point of social instability or financial instability that
occurs before the end of this year? What can people expect?
PP: Well, let’s take a look at the Depression in the late ‘20s. People
had ethics. They had morality. Ethics and morality were removed from the
school systems 25 years ago, and for specific reasons. It had nothing to
do with reasons of ethics or morality. It had to do with political
reasons. So they were taken from the school systems.
So in the ‘20s when we had a Depression, people would go out to farmland
and knock on the farmer’s door and say: Ma’am, I got three little kids
that need to eat and I’ll shovel manure, I’ll dig potatoes, I’ll haul
the weeds out of the garden, I’ll do whatever I need to do to get
something to feed my kids.
Now what people have been taught is that they’re owed a living, they’re
owed to live like television says that people should live. They don’t
have an ethic; they don’t have a morality.
So what happens is, if we have a financial collapse, it won’t be like
the ‘20s. It’s going to be like today and you’re going to have anarchy
and absolute chaos. The government knows that. They’ve recently asked
the service members if they would fire on civilians if they were asked
to – which is entirely against the Constitution.
We had a Second Amendment and the founders of our country, in writing
after the Constitution about where the Second Amendment came from,
didn’t say that we should have the right to keep and bear arms so that
we could go get a deer and feed the family. They specifically stated we
had the right to keep and bear arms so that if the government, with its
military, got out of hand and tried to suppress the Constitution and
civilians, they could take control back, because the government was
supposed to lie in the hands of the people.
Now, not that I believe that the people are smart enough to handle
themselves, because they’re not, otherwise we wouldn’t have had the last
several Presidents that we’ve had. We’d have actually had senators and
congressmen thrown out because they wouldn’t do for us what was
necessary. And the senators and congressmen had no option because we had
so many splinter groups that they had to keep satisfied, that they
couldn’t do what was necessary for the people as they were charged to
do.
BR: Is there anything you can say on record about a recent Congressional
session that you attended?
PP: Yes. Uh... Probably better not said.
BR: Okay.
PP: Just note that there was the third... my understanding... it was the
third-ever closed session of Congress.
BR: Okay. I understand.
KC: But it is on Google, so...
PP: Yeah, I think many things have leaked out about it on Google. We
found that no matter where the politician was and what committee he was
on, when top secret things were talked about, they wanted to close the
session early, so they could get out and put their tips out to the news.
We don’t have any confidentiality in that. It leaked out, I’m sure.
BR: Am I right in assuming that you wouldn’t contradict those leaks?
PP: I wouldn’t contradict them at all.
BR: Thank you.
KC: But weren’t they told to... weren't some of them getting out of the
country to relocate in South America? Ask him that.
PP: That’s my understanding.
KC: George Green has given us testimony to that effect.
PP: Yeah. That’s my understanding that a number of them felt that, once
the people found out what had been done to them by their
representatives, they felt that it would be much better for their health
and safety to be somewhere else.
BR: Mm-hm. And that kind of says it all. Do you know anything, or
suspect anything, about once the financial system fails, if it does so,
what would it be replaced by?
PP: Well, up until a few days ago I would say it would’ve been replaced
by a world currency. Remember, the last four Presidents have all been
members of the Council on Foreign Relations, and have openly stated that
they’re moving toward a One World government and believe we should have
a One World government. If we had a One World government, we’d probably
have a One World currency.
And it might even be they were smart enough to have a currency that was
backed by something real, like gold or silver or various metals. I’ve
always wanted to see a commodity-backed currency, so you could have a
currency that was worth so much corn, or so much wheat, or so much of
something that was a real, tangible thing.
BR: Sure. Up until a few days ago, you said. What changed?
PP: Up until a few days ago. What changed was my understanding is now
that they’re... well, the NAFTA and GATT agreements basically put us
into a system where we had Mexico, United States and Canada almost as
one government with three parts.
There was going to be a, you know, it’s been highly rumored that there
was a printed currency available – pictures available on the Internet,
etcetera, etcetera, because there’s nothing that’s a secret anymore –
that would have currency, different colors and different sizes for
different denominations, and was to be called something like the Amero
for North America.
It’s been rumored that that currency is being destroyed now and replaced
by another U.S. currency that is being printed. And that would make a
lot of sense because there’s so much... well, the money that’s being
printed is funny money because it’s backed on nothing. But also, there’s
been so much counterfeiting, especially out of Iran. So you can look at
some of our politics with Iran having to do with nuclear proliferation,
and so much of it having to do with the fact that they have good
printing presses and good duplicators of paper and ink. There’s been a
tremendous amount of currency that we know has moved here from Iran that
is counterfeit, and it’s rampant.
BR: Yeah. Many people watching this video will be aware of what David
Icke has been talking about. We spoke to him at length earlier on this
year and one of the drums that he's been beating is about what he feels
is the danger of the population being chipped as a means of control,
which is going to be linked with their ability to operate financially at
all. Can you comment on that at all?
PP: There are a number of things to lead one to believe that they are
going to be shipping people around. There are a number of places that
there's no explanation for, but very large concentration camps have
sprung up, one of them very near where I live here that's very
large-sized.
On the other hand, I was involved, back in the '70s, with a very large
food and feed company to build chips that could be used on prize cattle
and breeding cattle, for example, and show cattle, to geolocate them or
to identify them.
That technology has now been reduced down to things that can be injected
through a hypodermic needle into the body and identify people. The
currency that I heard about that was to be a One World currency was
based on being chipped. The credits, if you would, would go onto and off
of that chip by a method similar to Bluetooth that's used today.
BR: And this is technology which you yourself have helped develop! Is
that what I heard you say?
PP: Well, it's technology that I developed, some of the early things,
and it's technology which, in it's smaller implementation, I'm using
right now in a product that I'm in the process of building for
geolocation and anti-theft because there's so many people being
kidnapped and sacrificed for their organs, or being kidnapped and held
for ransom – not the least of which is around the Mogadishu area and in
the Mediterranean, but also even in Mexico. A tremendous number of
people are being kidnapped for ransom there, both their own people and
visitors.
BR: There's a problem tracking containers.
PP: There’s a problem tracking sea-land containers as well.
BR: Why is it important to track these containers?
PP: Well, there are around 10,000 containers a day coming into the
country that are never physically inspected. We know that weapons of
mass destruction, though this is not totally announced, but we know
weapons of mass destruction are coming in in those containers. We know
terrorists are coming in in those containers because we see the evidence
of it afterward.
Thank God the government has picked up a lot of these things later, but
the containers – a lot of them are shipping contraband. A lot of them
are shipping... You know, we saw the dog food come in that was laced
with Melamine, because it wasn't inspected.
BR: Now, we just did a tape change here, and just before that little
interlude, David was very keen to ask Pete about his view about how can
we transform these danger signs into something that is a healthy warning
to us? What sorts of proactive, positive-thinking, responsible actions
can we take without just blindfolding ourselves and ignoring whatever
real risks that might be there?
Now this is my bridge because I want David to ask his own questions.
This is one of the reasons why he's here with us. We have a huge respect
for David, his intellect, his perspective, his experience. David, this
is all yours. You want to talk to Pete about this very important thing
here.
DW: Sure. What I wanted to say was just that I have a perspective, which
includes documenting my dreams every day for the last 17 years,
following their guidance, getting accurate information from that
guidance. Yesterday morning, while we were talking about all these
things, I had a dream in which there was a volcanic eruption. It looked
terrifying. There were rocks flying into the air and everybody around me
thought we were all going to die. We ran under these trees, the rocks
fell all around us, but we were all fine. Nobody was actually hurt by
it. Obviously it was a disaster, obviously it had caused property
damage, but the people were okay.
That's one of many different varieties of data that I've gotten to
suggest that, even though things look like they could be really austere
and apocalyptic, that humanity will persevere through this and that we
will be able to have a positive outcome on our own futures, and that
this is not a situation that's completely outside of our ability to
manage.
PP: Well David, you had a question that you asked me just before the
break and I think we're going to agree to disagree, but go ahead and ask
that question again, or make that statement again.
BR: It was a very good question. It was about prior warnings not having
come to pass and therefore why should we be concerned? DW: Oh, okay.
Yeah, let me give you some prelude to that. I spoke with another witness
who was involved in various compartmentalized projects, one in
particular which was at the Montauk base, and he had extensive contact
with people on the inside.
One of the things that he said was that the Superdomes that were built
in all the major cities were intended to be large holding containers for
people to be herded in. He said that there was a plan that the Rodney
King riots would foment enough social upheaval that they would be able
to actually round up black people who were rioting in the cities and put
them inside these domes and basically keep them in there until they
passed away.
That was a plan that was made and it obviously did not happen. So, we've
heard from many Project Camelot witnesses’ similar plans, timelines, in
which the Powers That Be, whoever they are, say apocalyptic things are
going to happen. The dates come, strange things happen, yes, but it
doesn't lead to an apocalypse scenario.
So, in private conversation with us, you had mentioned that there were
other dates that came and went where they had said something like this
might happen. Some friends of yours inside told you something like that
and then it didn't actually turn into a social breakdown.
PP: Yes.
DW: Okay.
PP: I did say that, and so the question is?
DW: Well, the question is, in terms of... You had mentioned before that
people have a conditioning to not think, and a conditioning of mind
control. You said that there is a degradation in the moral fabric of our
society. So, I think what we really need to know on a personal level is:
What can we do to help ourselves not be indoctrinated by this passive
programming that's coming out to us? You mentioned versions of mind
control and things like that. I think that's an important key to not
getting stuck in this trap.
PP: I moved here because I was told by various people that I should
geolocate and be in an area that would be safe when we eventually got a
financial and, therefore, a political, collapse. So there're certain
things that I've done to make sure that myself and my family and my
friends are safe from that.
The question that David just asked is a little bit different, having to
do with the fact that numerous ones of us have heard a bit apocalyptic
things in the future, ranging from the fact that, supposedly in the year
2011 or 2012, we have the end of the Mayan calendar and we have an
apocalypse coming. People who are apocalyptic Christians say about the
same thing, that the End Times are here or coming. We've heard very dire
things about the economic posture of the United States and the whole
world, and we see things happening.
We see Iceland, for example, declaring bankruptcy, and I hear from
people that I know in the banking system that a number of the European
states are going to follow them in bankruptcy. When the U.S. currency
fails... which I can't imagine that it won't, because we've printed so
much currency and put out there that's backed by nothing - it's all
beginning to come home and roost. The T-bills and bonds are coming back
to us, and I can't see what's going to happen there.
We have the huge collapse that when, before the current President took
office, 16 billion dollars was going to solve all the problems, and
Please get this bill through, and We can take 16 billion dollars and put
it out in. And it barely passed and we got that through.
Then it seemed like three weeks later we didn't know where the 16
billion dollars was even supposed to go or what for because they passed
the bill without even knowing what was going to happen. That 16 billion
dollars disappeared immediately. And now, all of a sudden we needed
seven or nine trillion dollars, and then we needed 20, you know, and we
don't have any idea where that went.
So the things we've heard in the past about there going to be a failure,
the time came and left and there wasn't a failure, but this money was
pumped somewhere. And, of course, the system had a lot more inertia than
we anticipated. So now what we have is something that... the actuality
is coming to roost. I drive around in the town that I live nearby, the
large town that's about 50 miles south of me, and I drive around there
and I look in the little malls and I look in the big malls. The big mall
has closed. We only had one mall in the town, and the gross population
[of] nearly, well, 750,000 people.
The one mall that we had, the people that had the mall failed and went
bankrupt, and it's closed. All the stores that sell non-essential items
– jewelry stores, bed and bath stores, etcetera – most of them have
closed. Sporting goods stores, most of them have closed.
BR: What you're saying is that we haven't been here before. This is
something new.
PP: So we haven't really ever been here before. You know, we've heard
that things are going to happen, things are going to fail, but life
continued on as normal and the government continued to print money and
pass it out to its friends and so forth. So, therefore, we're in a bit
different set of circumstances. I moved here in 1999 because I was told
[that] by 2001, that the system was going to fail. And here we are eight
years later, or nine years later...
BR: In fact, you were ordered to come here.
PP: I was. So, we found out that no, it didn't fail. I'd go for a
briefing and they'd just be in shock: We don't understand it. We don't
have any idea why it hasn't failed. I mean, we just don't know. The only
thing we can do is say there was so much inertia.
So, now it's beginning to fail. And it isn't just beginning to fail - it's increasing on a logarithmic scale, and very shortly, I see that it
just about has to do that. Which then brings us back to the first
question that David asked just before the break was: What do I see that
we could offer the listeners out there, something that they might do?
And I can say: Well, in my personal opinion...
And what I've done, I've put my money and my talent, my skills and my
abilities, where my mouth is. I've come here and I'm self-sufficient. I
grow all my own meat, all my own vegetables. I have stored up those
things that are going to be critical to society. I've picked up the
tools that I didn't have that allow me to do things in such an
environment and such a society to produce things that are going to be
necessary for people to have.
BR: And you can even make your own radio and probably fuel your own
truck.
PP: Exactly right. I have a number of vehicles that I now have - engines that'll burn alcohol. I have the equipment and I have the seeds
and I have the tractor, and I have the land and I have the water to grow
material that I can make alcohol from at a much larger rate than I need.
BR: Now, a lot of people listening to this will say: But I'm in the
middle of a big city. I've got a wife and a mortgage and two kids who
are at school, and I hear what you're saying but what can I do? I'm not
in that situation. What would you tell them?
PP: Well, I've taught survival for better than 40 years and my
particular area of expertise in survival was urban survival. I was asked
to write a book about urban survival, and I started the book out, and I
can tell you that – we got into that a little bit earlier – I can tell
you that today there isn't any such thing as urban survival. Who knows
their neighbors? In '29 people knew their neighbors and they had ethics
and morality. Now the ethics and morality has been taken away from the
children, and the children are now in their 20s and 30s.
BR: The community's gone.
PP: The community is gone. We don't have a community that would do that,
and we have people that have children, and now some of them have a
couple children. What are you going to do when your kids say: Daddy, my
tummy hurts. I haven't had anything to eat for two weeks. And you smell
the next door neighbor over there, who was a wise squirrel and put
something up, and you smell him out on his barbeque - because he's got
no power but charcoal - cooking a couple of freeze-dried steaks? You
have to ask yourself: What would that person do?
BR: Okay. But there are a lot of psychological operations that have been
put in place in preparation for all of this, and there's mental
self-defense or mental preparation, emotional preparation, spiritual
preparation. Is there something that you can speak to about that,
whatever people's circumstances are?
PP: Well, I will do that, but first I want to suggest that... Take a
look at just the things that have happened. Forget the
political-economic situation. Let's take a look at things that have
happened in this country over the last, say, four or five years.
You've got the debacle that occurred in New Orleans, and then you've got
the next debacle that occurred in Texas and Mississippi, and you got to
see that, no, all those people couldn't leave town because they got out
on the freeway and the freeway was jammed. Everybody got stopped and
they ran out of gas and there wasn't any gas. The people that owned the
service stations left to get out of town also, so there wasn't anything
for the service stations.
You look at New Orleans. I knew people that were getting water to New
Orleans that had been ordered, it was a year until it got delivered.
There were people who got thousands and thousands of trailer-houses that
were stuck in the Midwest and never got shipped down there. Nobody got
to use them. But by the time they got where they could've put them down
there, the things had already decayed, and they found out they were made
with the wrong materials and they were out-gassing toxic things...
That was how well the government was prepared for that. They saw it
coming and saw it coming and saw it coming – nothing happened. Then you
look at the people that live along the Mississippi River and its feeding
tributaries. They've had floods virtually every year. Every year they
have floods, and they go back and they rebuild their houses with lots of
insurance money, and then they have floods the next year...
The weather is changing. I think it's changing to the colder rather than
the warmer, but anyway, the weather is changing, very definitely. It's
changing right here where I live, tremendously so. In the last couple of
winters, we've had two-to-three times the snow that we had the previous
ten years. Then we've had water from it, major, major water problems. We
had droughts for a number of years. I live near a huge, huge reservoir
that holds enough water to irrigate the whole southern state for a year
or two, and it's been absolutely dry in the bottom, hardly a trickle.
And now it's clear full and spilling over.
BR: So, in summary, you're saying that as a scientist and as an
intelligent man, as somebody who is well-connected on the inside with
other scientists and other intelligent men, you think that there's a
real problem.
PP: I think that there's a major real problem and I think that people
who don't see that, and don't realize that, simply have put blinders on.
I think that what they should do is think: You know, maybe there's
something to this. But at least we see that in major areas of the
country there've been problems where people needed to have a little
supply of food left because they couldn't get to a store.
They need to have things that, if they have to leave their homes... Like
in the area that I'm in, and in California, especially, and in other
states, especially. There've been major, major fires that have gone on.
People have been moved out of their homes. And when they left home and
they came back and they're crying on television: Oh, everything's gone.
Everything's gone.
And yet, some of those people went to survival lectures that I gave and
they had copies of their driver's license, copies of their marriage
license, copies of their insurance papers, copies of all the things they
needed to have copies of. They had extras of all the children's pictures
and extras of the journals and so forth put away in another location.
These are things that people can do to assure continuity even though
there may be something coming.
California? We hear predictions about earthquakes all the time and we
see earthquakes all the time. Some are small and some are larger, but we
hear the people that actually are predicting those things predicting
very large earthquakes. They don't know if it's going to be next year or
the year after, but they know it's going to come, they know it's going
to be large, they know people are going to lose things. Why don't these
people have what's called a bug-out bag in their car where they could
take off and leave the area?
The government says: Oh, you only need to have three days storage. But
we look at where the government's come in, time after time after time
over just the last four or five years, and found out the government
didn't have anything for them. They had to fend for themselves. It was
months, sometimes, before they had effort come in.
It's very interesting to understand... When I teach a survival class,
one of the things I do is, right at the beginning of the class I put a
velvet bag over people's head. Then I tell them: I'm going to place a
ten dollar gold piece somewhere in the room and have you all look for
it. Whoever finds it gets to keep it.
So I do that and then I say: Okay, go look for it, and immediately
someone says: Oh, here it is. I have it. I found it. And everybody takes
their bag off and says: Well that's no fair! He didn't have a hood on!
And I say: Okay, so let's say that there's a big earthquake or a big
emergency, and if you don't have a way of communicating – because the
cell phones are going to be down, the radio stations are going to be
down – if you don't have a way of communicating outside of those, it's
like having a bag over your head. You're not going to know what roads
are blocked. You're not going to know what roads have police that are
not allowing people to go through. You're not going to have gasoline in
your car.
If you had a short-wave radio or an amateur radio, which are very
inexpensive, you could listen to the radio amateurs who are going to be
immediately there because that's what they're set up for, that's what
they're trained to do. If you had an amateur radio license, which
anybody can get these days, it's like you had eyes. You can see where to
go, where there's problems, where there are not problems, where there
are riots, where there are not riots, and carry on and go there.
If you had a bug-out bag in your car you'd have gas and fuel and medical
supplies, things to keep you warm, things to keep you cool, all packed
up ready to go. Just a small bag. So, there are a number of things that
one could do to become aware.
BR: There’s a lot that has been done to dumb down the population. How
can this be reversed? How can that be aided? I want to make sure that
David gets a chance to answer his own questions. What I'm trying to do
is support you in that and I want to give you air time here.
DW: There is a compartment of reality that we can talk about in which
people are on this planet and there are forces that appear to be almost
outside their control to do anything about other than, as you said,
preparations for the sake of survival. Then we also have another context
which is that you are apparently directly aware of extraterrestrials who
are not strictly negative. In fact, you mentioned to us before that a
lot of them are positive. We know they're out there, we know they're
visiting us.
While I don't believe they're going to just come down and save us from
problems, there appears to be a greater reality that we are all involved
in, and that this situation... My understanding is that the situations
we're going through are going to be instrumental in helping to purge the
negative influences on this planet that have been prevailing for so
long, not make them worse. There will be, certainly, a crisis time that
we go through but that's part of a passage into a more organized and
enlightened society. That's how it's been explained by many different
accurate sources, in my opinion, including ancient prophecies that speak
of the coming of a Golden Age.
PP: Well, one of the things that I did in studying survival was I went
to numerous places on the face of the Earth where there were
survival-type things taking place, whether it be genocide in Africa,
whether it be eruption of volcanoes, whether it be tornadoes and
tsunamis. I've gone to those places studying survival, and I know one
thing: There's one person I can rely on and that's me, and all the rest
is conjecture.
I found out that the people that survived were the people that were
prepared. Some were prepared mentally, and that's the major preparation
that you could do. But I know that when you believe in other people,
that may or may not happen, but if you believe in yourself and follow
up, it does happen and you don't have any worry.
I found out that a few days or a few hours, or even a few minutes can be
the difference between life and death. So I would just as soon spend a
little time and a little effort and a little money, and be able to take
care of myself and my people. And if other things happen, so much the
better; I have things I can share with others.
DW: Yeah, I don't dispute that at all. In fact, I am very well prepared
for eventualities in myself. We also, at Project Camelot, have
interviewed enough different witnesses that we are trying to look at the
big picture perspective.
I do believe that we have an intelligently-guided planet. I do believe
that the things that happen on the planet are not random, and I do
believe that society itself is going through an evolutionary process. A
lot of the things that you've shared with us already, off the record,
reveal that there are potentials of the human being much greater than
what we currently understand.
You’ve also suggested there are efforts to suppress our natural ability
that have been put in place and I think that, while, absolutely,
preparing is important, I think anything you can tell us about how
people can strengthen their intuitive faculty, so that they have an
ability to get in touch with that part of themselves that does have the
knowledge – you've mentioned remote viewing before, too.
If they have some way, something you can share with us, a way in which
people can greater empower themselves to the greater awareness that they
actually possess and how that could help them through these transitional
times, maybe that would be important to hear.
PP: Well, actually, strangely enough, we really agree and I think we're
both saying that one should do both, because then you don't have to rely
on anything; you don't have to rely on somebody else.
That's the problem. What's been taken out of people over the last 20
years is response-ability. People have to take responsibility.
Over the millennia, the people that we've considered major, major
prophets, such as the prophets of Mohammedanism, the prophets of
Christianity, prophets of record such as Nostradamus and so forth. Every
one of those, and all the religions, have said: Take responsibility and
prepare yourself.
The things that David’s talking about to prepare are exactly correct.
People should have those skills. They should go out and practice those
and I know that your group has been superb in providing evidence and
providing a website that's a fantastic website where they can go and
look and find out people that are talking about such things, people that
are saying such things.
I'm basically a warrior because that's kind of my path and I've noticed
that there isn't anybody out there in this world that's taking care of
me except me. That's not necessarily true because the knowledge, the
intellect, the experience, the vast experience that I have has been
handed to me on a silver platter. It's like I stuck my hand in the air
to volunteer and got a hiccup in my rotator cuff and my hand just stayed
up and I ended up volunteering for everything. [Kerry laughs] Everybody
thought I was volunteering, and so I got stuck into a number of
different things. But none of it, as I look back on it, was by accident.
I know that there are a number of people that were students of mine that
were in New Orleans, that were in the Gulf area of Texas, that were in
the river areas in Ohio and Nebraska and so forth, and Tennessee. I know
that all of them, when the time came, just simply threw a bag in the
back of their car and headed out and they were fine. All their family
records were preserved, and all their family jewels and things,
everybody knew where they were. They were all in one place, threw them
in the car and off they went. The car was full of gas with a little
trailer with a couple of gas cans and a tent. And they were fine.
I'm just suggesting that that is a very wise thing to do on a day like
today, whether the prophets of doom are correct, or whether they're not
correct. Let's say you put aside five months worth of food. Well, go
take a look at the prices in the store, and the prices five months ago,
and tell me you wouldn't like to buy five-months-ago’s food, or today's
food at five-months-ago’s prices. You know, it's better than any
investment you could've made. It's better than any stock I know of. It's
even better than gold. If a disaster comes, it's going to be worth far
more than gold because it'll save your life, where gold will just get
you robbed – or silver.
I tell people if you're going to save gold, for crying out loud, save
some silver. Because if we have a collapse, when it comes, you know, get
yourself a wheelbarrow and if you come to my place and want a loaf of
bread and you've got an ounce of gold that's worth, at that time,
$2,000, I'll swap it for a loaf of bread. [laughter] If you've got a
quarter, that by that time is worth three dollars – a non-numismatic
silver quarter – I'll swap it for a loaf of bread. Take your pick.
BR: Right.
PP: So, there are things that people can do to do that, and there are
things that they can do. There are a number of remote viewing courses
and many of them are very good. I’d suggest you do remote viewing.
But I said besides remote viewing I know one thing that's certain. I can
take my little ham radio and I can pick it up and I can call on the ham
radio repeater and I say: What's the traffic like on Route 17 going out
through Palmdale? And somebody's going to say: Oh, all the cars are
stopped and they're not letting people through. Or they're going to say:
Oh, the traffic's flowing just fine. And I know that's the direction to
get out of town.
BR: Sure. A lot of people would want us to ask this question. It's
almost a matter of duty. And that is: How much does Obama know about all
of this, in your opinion?
PP: Uh... [laughs] That's a strange question. I can't imagine anyone
accepting the job of President with the current situation. I can't
imagine that. So, in that respect, I have to say he can't be very
intelligent. On the other hand, he's an intelligent man. He certainly is
an intelligent speaker. Of course, he was a debate king, if you would.
I know that when he got his first briefing, because I had friends that
were present, said that he was so shocked that he had to sit down when
he found out what really was happening. This was before he took the
office. Now, I think that he's found himself in a river that's flooded
and headed south and he's got a little boat with no oars.
BR: And very steep canyon walls. [laughs]
PP: And steep canyon walls, and he's just paddling with his hands as
fast as he can paddle and trying to do the very best job that he can. He
has a few really good people around him. I really don't believe he has a
hint how to stop what's happening. I don't think he has a hint how to
stop the flood, because it's behind him and it's coming on, and he's
being driven by it and there's not much he can do.
BR: Now, speaking about having good people with him, just using that
turn of phrase, would you confirm that there are good people, who we
have euphemistically called the White Hats, in the government and the
intelligence and the military, who themselves are patriots as you are,
and they're trying to do their best from the inside to avert these
things.
PP: Absolutely. There are many people that left the military. Most of
the good people left during Clinton and Bush because they couldn't
pledge allegiance to the President because of the things that were being
done, so many people left. On the other hand, there were many people
that stayed behind because they knew they were going to be needed. They
sacrificed, not principle, but they had a higher knowledge and stayed
behind so that they could ply the knowledge that they had when the time
came.
BR: That's where they thought they would be most valuable.
PP: That's where they thought they would be most valuable, and they were
the true patriots because they did what was best for the people rather
than what was best for themselves.
BR: And these are the people who are keeping you informed sometimes. Is
that right?
PP: Some of those people are the people that are keeping me informed.
BR: I understand.
PP: I mean, it's more that they're keeping me informed because they call
me for ideas. I'm kind of an idea man and they call me and ask me: What
might we do here, and what might we do there?
BR: Because you're above all a problem solver and a technological...
PP: I'm basically a problem solver.
BR: Mm-hm.
DW: Do you think there's ever going to be a Disclosure? That any of this
stuff about UFOs or other races not born on Earth would ever get out to
the public?
PP: It's interesting. I've been told that a number of the apocalypse
films that have come out recently, and a number of the science fiction
things that have come out recently as movies have been partially funded
by the government wanting to get familiar in our minds the idea there
might be people that could come and help us. There might be some kind of
Divine providence that would help as well. I've heard, kind of through
the grapevine, that...
I know that Reagan was asked to disclose such things, the truth about
flying saucers and alien people. I know that JFK was asked those things
and said he would do something. And I know there was pressure put to
bear on both of them to say nothing. I know that the current
President... I don’t know this. I have heard that the current President
was planning to make such announcements later in the year, or late in
the year.
KC: Are you willing to say the date and that information that you...
PP: I know a date I was told, and I can tell you the same people that
told me that date told me that the U.S. currency would fail in 2001 when
they ordered me to move here.
BR: Okay.
PP: So who knows what's going to happen? But I've heard that his
desire... And I may be wrong. I don't know. I've heard it through the
grapevine, the man hasn't told me himself.
KC: But he's under orders, isn't he? He's just the front guy.
PP: My feeling is that we haven't had a President since right after
George Washington that wasn't under orders from someone else. If you go
back and take a look at it, it's pretty obvious.
BR: Then, if the guy doesn't obey those orders, he may find himself in
trouble.
PP: He may find himself in trouble.
KC: Do you want to talk about who’s behind him, at all?
PP: I really don't.
BR: Okay.
DW: About the announcement, though. You were working up to an
announcement. You were saying that he may announce something at the end
of the year? What would that be? What does your grapevine tell you?
PP: My grapevine tells me that he is going to announce that there are
indeed such things as flying saucers, and there is indeed technology
transfer, and there is indeed beings behind it that didn't come from
this planet.
KC: How many different kinds?
PP: I... You know, we're getting into speculation here that...
BR: Understand.
PP: You know, whether the person that told me would know, I have no
idea. Whether the President would know, I have no idea. Whether we even
know, I have no idea. But a number of them, more than, say, three or
four.
BR: Good.
PP: Again, if you go back and look at the number of people who seem to
have seen such people, you get kind of a: Well, there's a reptilian
type, and there's a long-face type and a round-face type and a tall type
and a short type and...
It isn't just like one person said this and one person said that. It's
50 people in the U.S. and 20 people in Germany and 300 people in Brazil
and 80 people in Africa say this. Then for the next bunch there's maybe
40 or 50 in Russia and 25 or 30 in Germany. You know, you can't discount
all of those things when, from totally disparate regions that have no
real communication, and people have no real communication with each
other, you have people doing exact descriptions and large amounts of
exact descriptions.
BR: Yeah. And tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, reporting
contact with the little guys with the almond-shaped eyes and the big
heads, who many people say are responsible for abductions. Do you know
anything about that at all?
PP: All I know is that I've talked to a number of those people and many
of them seem to me to be very credible. Many of them seem to me to have
read somebody else's report and then they wanted to be in the thing and
made it up.
BR: Are any of these abductions military operations?
PP: I wouldn't have any idea.
BR: You don't know. Okay.
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PP: Look, I can't see why the dollar didn't crash in 2001, absolutely
couldn't see why it didn't crash. Because it was backed with nothing. It
was inertia, in my opinion, it was inertia only that carried it on. And
sure, there were a lot of people behind the scenes manipulating various
things. You saw how they manipulated billions and billions of dollars
that didn't even... not only were bogus dollars, i.e. dollars that were
printed with nothing behind them, dollars that didn't even exist!
People fail to look at this fact. If, let's say – we’ll use just round
figures – let’s say that there's $1,000 issued, okay? Who issues the
dollars? The Fed issues the dollars – totally outside of the
Constitution, as far as I'm concerned.
The Fed issues $1,000. They then rent those dollars to the bank. What
does the bank do? The bank rents those dollars out to people so they can
by a car, a home, whatever. They say: We'll rent this out to you and
it'll be at five percent interest. Now, what that means is they've taken
a thousand – and if they have $1,000, the banks are allowed to loan out
$17,000. So let's say you have ten percent interest on $17,000. Now
that's $10,000 plus another $7,000. Where does the $7,000 come from to
pay it back? It wasn't ever issued. It didn't ever exist. How can they
pay back more than there ever was? And people don't understand the
concept of fiat money!
KC: Right. There are many videos on Google that people can watch on this
very subject and get educated.
PP: Yeah. Absolutely! And the problem is that people have been taught
that if you just stick your head in the sand and don't look, it isn't
going to bite you.
BR: Keep on watching American Idol and you'll be all right.
PP: Keep on watching American Idol, and keep on going to the movies, and
keep on, you know, whatever.
DW: I'd like to say one thing. There is footage that you can see of an
announcement that Rumsfeld made on September 10th, 2001, about money
that was “lost” in the military budget to the tune of 2.3 trillion
dollars – the day before September 11. So is that in anyway related to
what you’re talking about with the year 2001?
PP: Probably is, and there are a number of other things. Let’s look at
what happened on September 11th. [laughs] A building that wasn’t even
involved crashed to the ground, and in the basement of it was stored a
massive amount of gold. It was never found. [laughter] Okay? Never
found! And why would that building fall down? Not even ashes fell on it.
It was out of the wind pattern.
DW: Right.
PP: Where did that money go, and why did that building fall down?
KC: Well, do you know the answer?
PP: Well, I think I know the answer but I don’t know that I’m convenient
with giving that answer. Because, you know, I don’t want to prompt
somebody to go look for it because I know what I feel they’d find. I
think what they’d probably find is an early grave.
BR: By now people watching this video will understand why we were so
keen to introduce Pete to this audience, and will understand what we
were saying when we referred to twelve hours of off-record conversation
yesterday, that we haven’t even begun to bottom out even so.
What we’re able to provide here is only a very short summary of some of
the things which Pete knows. So, with apologies, we’re going to move on
because we’ve only got a certain amount of time and a certain amount of
tape, to other areas because there’s an extraordinary amount of
experience and information which you may want to share.
Let me, first of all, ask you if you’re willing to share any of your
experience about working with Russian scientists, and in what capacity
you did that?
PP: Yes, I’d be more than happy to do that... [sighs] some of it, at
least. After the fall of the Wall, I went to Russia and worked with a
number of top scientists there that were involved in their space
program.
BR: And you went to Russia, let me say euphemistically, in a
professional capacity?
PP: In a professional capacity. I came by invitation and went there. One
of the things we did was, we took – and I’m going to use Russia in
general terms, meaning the old Soviet Union.
BR: The U.S.S.R.
PP: I went to various countries that were at one time part of the
U.S.S.R.
I was there, for example, when Ukraine declared their independence, and
I knew the man who was the first president there. So we took out of the
U.S.S.R. a lot of technology that had been pent up, and brought back,
and donated it to the government here.
I got to see brilliant, brilliant, brilliant technology that – some we
knew about, some we had, and some we didn’t have, specifically in
materials science and in things that could be used to generate
alternative energy.
New ways of building motors, new types of materials for building motors
and spacecraft. Motors and spacecraft. New ways of storing electricity
in capacitors which would be very handy in making electric automobiles,
meaning that you could take all the energy that normally is sent to the
air as heat and braking and put that energy into a capacitor device
which would then bleed off into a battery and recharge the battery of
the car to a certain extent.
BR: Did the technology behind the Aurora come from the Russians?
PP: No. That technology was invented specifically right here in the
United States by a scientist that I, in my memory, worked for General
Dynamics for a period of time, and probably worked for Rocketdyne or
General Atomic for a period of time. Remember, General Atomic was highly
disturbed when Lyndon Johnson refused to give them any more government
contracts unless they’d move from San Diego to Texas.
BR: Mm-hm. But the Aurora’s been moth-balled anyway because that’s old
technology, isn’t it?
PP: Well, I would assume that. But it was a technology where you spray
gas out through a surface and then explode the gas; mix it with oxygen
and explode it. It’s like push-shooting a pumpkin seed. The pressure,
external, would push against it and push it forward at very high rates
of speed. They’re very efficient.
BR: Okay, so... [laugh] That was our 60-second sound byte about the
Aurora, which is worth an interview in itself. But go back to what you
feel that we learned from the Russians, because we had some fascinating
conversations about this.
PP: Well, we learned an awful lot about material science. There was a
man by the name of I. M. Frenchovic [unclear] that was a believer in
quantum physics. So he wouldn’t hire anybody – this was in the late ‘50s
or mid-50s – he wouldn’t hire anybody for his institute that didn’t
absolutely believe in quantum physics. So a lot of the work they did was
based on quantum physics and we hadn’t quite decided whether that was
real or not.
Whether it was real or not, they came up with a lot of things that were
very interesting. Additionally, they were doing a lot of research work
in such areas as remote viewing and telekinesis and such things.
We learned a lot. We brought a number of people out from there that
taught us things.
This was a very interesting thing that happened in the Soviet Union. If
you look at their government, it’s kind of a three-branch party system.
You have the people from industry, the people from government, and the
people from the political pedagogy, so that to get the full vote you had
to have someone vote that it wasn’t in violation of Stalinist-Leninist
political dogma.
A lot of science was definitely outside of Stalinist-Leninist political
dogma, therefore the scientists were very frustrated and so there was a
lot of information they were willing to give out because their
government had told them it was baloney anyway so why not give it away?
They wanted to see their ideas and thoughts utilized.
Secondly, there were a lot of them that, one way or another, snuck out
and came to work for the West and brought a lot of very good
information, including a lot of the very basic things that were
happening in what we’ll call psychic phenomena or mental talents.
It really isn’t that. It’s actually a definite science and there’s a lot
of technology that’s behind it. We hear a lot of stories about that from
the government, a lot of past history that’s, much of it,
disinformation. We’re told that: Well, we learned a few things from it
but it wasn’t particularly good. I think that that’s very wrong because
I know it’s particularly very good and I can’t imagine that they’re not
using that kind of technology.
Additionally, we learned a tremendous amount of things about outer space
technology. We learned a lot about the amount of radiation that you find
outside the ionosphere and the problems that that causes. We had some
problems with our early astronauts because we didn’t know what was
there.
Notice there were several lulls in our space program as we found out new
things, and then geared up to take into account the malevolence of outer
space. You know, out of that came a lot of conjecture that there was way
too much radiation for us to have had people in outer space.
One of the things that very much interested me was when the Mir Space
Station was crashing. They were worried about the fact that it had a
little radioactive material on it that might cause problems on Earth and
they didn’t know exactly where it was going to fall.
But one of the things the Soviets announced... and one of the things I
do is I listen to short wave, because when you listen to short wave, you
hear about the same event, the same people, the same place, the same
time, and a completely different story of what went on there. [laughter]
So the press in the United States is either completely ignorant or it’s
completely controlled, as far as I can tell.
But one of the things the Soviets did was announce the weight of the Mir
station. When you look at that weight, you find out it was about 5,600
shuttle loads of material. They didn’t launch that much, we didn’t
launch that much, so why would the Mir weigh as much as it did?
The explanation is, which you can find out for yourself if you merely
take a sensitive Geiger counter on a plane flight, is how much radiation
is up there just at 30,000 feet. You’re allowed one or two chest X-rays
a year; you get a chest X-ray every two or three minutes out there, you
know, that was a problem. If you look at some of the symptoms of
problems some of the early astronauts had, you’d realize that it
probably was radiation poisoning.
BR: How did the mass that constituted all that extra shielding...
PP: My feeling is that the extra mass that was there on that station was
shielding.
BR: How did it get up there?
PP: That’s an interesting question. I didn’t see us launch anything that
could’ve taken it there.
BR: Did the Russians launch it there?
PP: Not that I know of. I mean, you’ve seen the...
BR: Okay. Now, what that implies, then, is that we could never have made
it to the Moon in the way that it had been advertised that we went to
the Moon because everyone would’ve been fried. Is that too simplistic a
conclusion?
PP: Well, that’s my conclusion. I mean, I know one thing. You can go to
look at the Moon diorama at Jet Propulsion Laboratory and you can ask
the question: Was the Lander pressurized with oxygen? They said: No, we
didn’t have a place for it. They had to wear their spacesuits. And
here’s the astronaut standing there with his spacesuit on, and here’s
the door to the Lander open, and you can see that that spacesuit
wouldn’t fit through that door without the astronaut in it.
[laughter]
BR: Right.
PP: So I did have a bit... You know, there’s a bit of speculation there.
BR: What we’ve been told by our witness Henry Deacon is that some of the
Apollo missions did actually go to the Moon, but not without help from
our friends, as it were. Can you make any comment on that, or is this..?
PP: Well, it’s my feeling as a scientist that, if we went to the Moon,
we had to have help from friends.
KC: And off-world friends, you’re talking about?
PP: I'm talking about...
BR: We’re talking about friends in high places. [laughs]
PP: ...friends in high places. From high places.
BR: But we do have friends in high places, do we?
PP: Far as I know.
BR: Do we have any enemies?
PP: Far as I know, we do. I mean, there’ve been malevolent things
happening all over the world that... You know, you can’t deny cattle
mutilation and you can’t deny some personal, or human, mutilation; or,
certainly, biomedical manipulation. I mean, it’s happened. Somebody did
it, and it could have been done from here. But when you examine that...
You know, Linda Moulten Howe has written extensively and spoken
extensively on these things, and examined them extensively. I grew up
with her in the same school system and the same town and know that she
was exceedingly bright, and got brighter and brighter as time went by. I
don’t doubt that a lot of her conclusions are correct conclusions. She’s
someone that I would absolutely trust in that.
You know, I say if something happens in one spot, you don’t know. But
when something happens time after time, year after year, in all
different kinds of locations where people don’t know each other and
don’t communicate with each other and don’t read each other’s newspapers
and it doesn’t make the press, it seems highly likely that those things
happened.
BR: I understand. Now, among many other things you are, let me use the
word, an electronics genius, if I may. Are you in possession of any
information about the constitution of implants that have been recovered
from abductees?
PP: Well, I’ve talked to people who have removed what they felt were
implants. I deal almost daily with nanoelectronics and microelectronics,
and the descriptions and pictures I’ve seen have nothing to do with any
nano- and microelectronics that we have from anyone that I know of here
on this planet.
Many of them, or most of them, are biological in nature. I know that one
doctor who's removed a number of what they felt were implants, the
implant acted like it was alive and moved through the body away from the
surgeon trying to remove it.
I knew that some of them, when they were taken out, were minutely
dissected, and I’ve seen the pictures of that. They’re devices that
signals could be obtained from that were obviously intelligent signals.
They were not random things, they were not biological things, and yet it
was biological material that had obviously been engineered for a
specific purpose.
BR: That’s really incredible.
PP: I’ve never seen anything in writing that would lead me to believe
that we had that kind of technology on this planet.
BR: Mm-hm. When we’re talking about friends or enemies in high places,
you feel that wasn’t a particularly friendly thing to do?
PP: I have no idea. It could well have been. I wouldn’t doubt but what
we’ve had that from both sides. Friends and enemies.
BR: Okay.
PP: I think there are people here... There are people that I felt had
crucial knowledge to the perpetration of the planet the way we’d like it
to be, and I’ve seen them saved from disease, miraculously. But they had
had some incident that they seemed to have a memory of that we would
call maybe an abduction, or maybe a kidnapping and manipulation.
BR: So they’re being helped and supported.
PP: They’re being helped and supported, it appears, from somewhere.
BR: Our experience would support that, all the testimony we’ve received
from a lot of people. It’s just interesting to hear your view. This is
something we didn’t even talk about yesterday.
PP: Well, I try to look at everything from a scientific viewpoint; from
a really unbiased, observational point of view. Being as I got involved
in quantum physics early, which is something that deals a lot with
probabilities, I try to figure the probabilities of things... make
observations and feel the probabilities: Well, what would this mean?
From a probability standpoint, what’s the probability that it just
happened spontaneously? And the probabilities are approaching zero.
What’s the probability that we had something that would do this?
Probabilities are zero or very low.
What’s the probability that it might have come from some outside
intelligent source? The probabilities are up in the, you know, 99
percent region. [laughs] Then, after you see one after another after
another of these, you begin to think, you know, maybe I’m on the right
track here.
BR: Yeah. When does it become a reasonable certainty? Yeah, right.
We’ve just mentioned the testimony from our witness and colleague Henry
Deacon and now you’ve talked about your experience working with quantum
physics. You told us about... Sorry, let me start this again.
Henry told us about his research work in what some people call signal
non-locality, or actional communication at a distance. One of the Holy
Grails of physics is to build a working device such that there can be
instantaneous communication that can traverse light years in no time. Is
this something which you're able to talk about at all? Do you have any
opinions, experience or..?
PP: Well, I’ve done a number of experiments and I definitely have
opinions. I can say that Maxwell was right. One of the things I found
out was...
BR: This is James...?
PP: James Clerk Maxwell, who wrote the first exposition of
electromagnetic theory. From a little bit of his work... the way I like
to describe his work, it’s like you took a white sheet of paper. And he
took the end of a paintbrush and dipped it in paint and made splotches
all over this white sheet of paper. He said: Here’s something I saw.
Here’s something I believe. Here’s something I’ve experimented on and so
forth.
So now you have a white sheet of paper with a lot of splotches, which I
liken to a window that you could peek through just a few holes in the
window, and each time you peek through you see something different.
There’s a lot of the area that was still white, that he hadn’t done any
experiments in, but there were a lot of various areas where he actually
did something and had experiments that were repeatable and were,
eventually, describable, if not explainable. So then he took one large
bunch of these and he wrote electromagnetic theory around that.
Now that electromagnetic theory allowed us to build motors and
generators, electric motors, electric generators, radio transmitters,
television transmitters, radio and television receivers, computers, the
Internet, etcetera, etcetera, over a period of time. So that was passed
on down through a line of scientists, engineers, physicists and so forth
and became those motors and televisions and so forth.
But what happened to all the other swatches? Many of them were never,
never... the knowledge was never continued, it was never written about,
etcetera, etcetera. So, early on, I went and replicated most of the
papers, most of the notebooks, most of the letters that went back and
forth, and I started looking at some of these other things.
One of the things that got out, that people did look at, was a thing
called action at a distance, which meant that something happened in
point A, and at point B - which could be clear across the universe –
something could... information could be sent from point A to point B
faster than the speed of light.
And it didn’t travel; it literally went through some sub-universe or
parallel universe, from A to B, instantaneously and with no energy
required. Just now, in Canada and in Belgium and in France and in some
areas in the United States, there’s a tremendous amount of research
being done in that.
So, it’s something that’s been known at MIT, for example, for many
years; but, MIT knows if they talk about it, they got to back up and
say: All the physics we’re teaching isn’t exactly correct. So, that
really hasn’t happened, but they want to know that if Harvard says
something that they can say: We’ve known about it for years.
There was a gentleman that I had met [on] several occasions that ran a
kind of an Anomalous Research Institute that found that these things
that kind of violated the pet laws of physics; they continued to take a
look at them. But they knew that, if that actually worked and was
something that could be repeated, that they better revise their
thinking. For one reason or another - mostly ego, political or economic
- a lot of that stuff wasn’t brought out.
BR: What can you say about whether there were any practically
functioning devices built that were able to utilize this theoretical
principal of communication or action at a distance?
PP: Ah, probably nothing.
BR: Okay. I remember that Henry Deacon said that he had actually worked
on these devices. He said that the work had been done at Livermore prior
to Alanaspects [unclear] experiments in Paris in the ’80s.
PP: The problem is, when you said practical.
BR: Okay.
PP: Now here’s the problem. If you have something that works that
doesn’t use electromagnetic radiation, you have to develop a whole
entirely-new technology. Like, how do you tune it? When you tune a
radio, what you’re doing is altering the...
The problem’s with practical. We may have a practical technology or not.
I know that, once I get my lab built, we’re going to have a practical
technology, because I have a lot of work that I’ve done and ideas that
I’ve done and I now need to build a prototype.
It’s how to tune something that doesn’t have a time function. So how can
you transmit more than one signal at a time? Then, I don’t necessarily
want to expose that information because... not that it’s going to be a
billion-dollar product, which it would be. I mean, imagine a cell phone
that’ll work anywhere in the universe with no energy, or such little
energy that it’s inconsequential. Or Internet that works that way.
BR: As Hal Puthoff once said to me – somebody who I believe you once
knew – is, he said to me: As the dog said - so many trees and so little
time.
PP: [laughs] Exactly right, exactly right.
BR: So, at this point, I’m going to thank you very much for the
conversations we’ve had both yesterday and today. We’re still on tape.
We’ve got some time left here today. I’m going to hand over to Kerry
with the microphone and camera. David also wants to ask you some
questions about his particular interests and we want to make sure that
we can capture all of this, as we possibly can do. So, with huge
reluctance, I’m going to get out from behind this camera, because I’d
love to talk to you for hours more. I hope we’re going to get this
opportunity later. And right now I’m going to hand over to Kerry.
PP: Thank you very much for your interest.
BR: Okay.
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...been involved with trying to build flying saucers – you usually found
with flying saucers, if you look at most of the movies there always
seems to be a robot involved with it...
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