Exclusive Interview with an Ex-Illuminati Programmer/Trainer

Q & A: Svali Answers Readersí Questions
March 23, 2001

Q: Can the Illuminatiís family trees be traced back to specific towns in Europe?

A: Yes, and this depends on the branch. There is the German branch, the French branch, the UK branch, and the Russian branch. Each has roots in different areas of Europe. The towns of central Germany and Austria were the beginning for the German branch. They trace their roots from the Knights Templar who united the European nations during the crusades.

Q: Do they consider the Christian God real, but a liar?

A: The Illuminati believe in the deification of men through knowledge. They know that there are supernatural beings who help them in this process, but they donít necessarily divide things into "good and bad", rather "enlightened" or "unenlightened". They believe that the Christian God is real, but that adherents of Christianity are one step short of enlightenment, that they do not know the "full picture" as they do. They see Christians as sheep who follow a nice story created to help them feel better, because they are "too weak" to want to know the "full truth". (This is what an illuminist would say in describing the difference). They tend to be cynical towards the Christian God, to see him as a placebo for the weak.

Q: Do they consider their own god a liar, even if for "good"? If so, how do they trust their god?

A: They do not consider their gods (they have several) as liars. These "gods" have given them power, wealth, status, and everything that they have asked for. Yes, at a price, a horrible price, but they believe that nothing comes cheaply, and the higher the price they have paid, the more they value the gift. It is hard to explain this type to thinking to someone outside the group, because mainstream society wants to see them as evil Satanists, and opposed to Christianity. They themselves wouldnít put it quite that way. Oh, they will mock and downgrade Christianity, but only because they want its followers to see that they are the ídeceived ones". The god of this world has truly blinded their eyes. Do they "trust" their gods? As much as they trust anything. Remember, trust is not a concept in this group, where "betrayal is the greatest good" is a maxim taught since childhood. If you asked them, do you "trust" your deity, they would look puzzled, and say, "only a foolish person trusts what they cannot know" or some other maxim.

Q: Do they consider the Christian God to be a God of naive love?

A: Yes, yes, very naive, and setting His followers up for a fall. This is the extent of their arrogance.

Q: If they use torture and terror on those they love who are of lower rank, how do they distinguish between love and hate?

A: They donít. They tell their children as they are torturing them, "I am doing this because I love you." To them, the greatest love is to make a child strong, and fit to lead or to move higher in the group, by whatever means it takes.

If a leader sees a child, and wants it as a prostitute, the loving parents will give it away, happy that their child will rise in status. Also, again, they view betrayal as the greatest good. They will do set up after set up to teach their children to never openly trust others.

I remember hundreds of agonizing set ups and betrayals, and hearing when I was betrayed or wounded, "And such is the heart of man." Those doing this to me thought they were teaching me something of value, that would help me. And because of the vicious and political nature of the group, in one sense they were right; the naive get stepped on and wounded. I have known parents who tried to spare their children some of this out of love, but often they were overruled by other family members, who viewed these parents as "weak" and "unfit" to teach their child.

Q: Can you list their religious beliefs in some detail? e.g. re-incarnation? Heaven and hell? Sin? Absolution? Elves?

A: Which part? Spiritual has many branches, including:

  • Celtic druidism

  • Rosicrucianism

  • Babylonian mystery religion

  • Egyptian mysteries

  • traveling the planes

A child will have to learn each of these disciplines, and others, as part of their training. They also have theta, or psychic training, as well.

The Illuminati have taken the best (or worst) of each of these religions, and incorporated them. Also, there is NOT just ONE religion that every group follows. In Washington DC, my main trainers were Celtic druids and adherents of Babylonian mystery religion. In San Diego, the Egyptian mystery religion is emphasized, in part because Col. Aquinoís oversees that group, and is heavily into Temple of Set.

Here is a brief overview, doing my best to incorporate these beliefs. They believe that reincarnation is possible, because of the time travel that they do, but they donít emphasize it in their teachings. They believe in a final sphere of white light, which to them is total enlightenment, and their concept of heaven. They believe that they are immune from hell, which is for the unenlightened. Their concept of hell is different than the Bibleís; they believe that it means being lower and never reaching higher in the afterlife (they believe there are levels there, too, determined by how one progresses here on earth).

To them, sin is being weak or stupid, and not using the intelligence or abilities you were given, or failing to progress. I never heard any discussion of absolution. If you fail, you are punished or killed. That simple. There is some belief in elves, sprites, and other small beings in the druidic branch, who also see life in each of natureís creations.

Q: Some researchers claim that various items that people are commonly exposed to in society are part of the means to weaken their enemies. Therefore, I wonder if the Illuminati allow their own leading members to be exposed to these, i.e. the following:

a. chlorine and fluoride in water and foods
b. vaccines
c. medical drugs
d. junk food
e. micro-waved food
f. dietary supplements
g. biochips
h. mercury fillings
j. Chemtrailís

A: In general, true leadership is protected from much of the above. They are ORDERED to not: drink, do drugs, or anything harmful to themselves. They donít go as far as junk food or micro-waved food, since they donít worry about that, but at meetings, healthy food such as granola or trail mix are given out during exercises, and they know the importance of good nutrition.

They will NOT put their top leaders through the extensive use of mind control experimentation, or implants, etc. because of the risk involved. These children and adults ARE dissociative, but they go through a special program that is different than for the lower levels. They do get vaccines, since even if the child became ill, a healer could fix them. And they do take medications if needed, such as antibiotics, etc.

Do they claim to use vaccines or medical drugs for genocide? I had not heard that when I was in the group. Everyone I knew was vaccinated and took medications, although vitamins and good diet were also important.

Q: Some claim that Mormons, Jehovahís Witnesses, Charismaticís, Pagans, the New Age Movement, Satanists, etc. were founded by the same plotters. Are these groups, or at least their leaders, considered allies of the Illuminati by their members?

A: Some of these groups have affiliated themselves secretly with the Illuminati (because of the money and free training offered), others are sympathetic, or at the least, respectful of them. The Mormons affiliated years ago in a meeting with Illuminati leadership in the 1950s. The same with the Jehovahís Witnesses. I have not heard that Charismaticís or Pagans were affiliated, the pagans are considered "dabblers" by the Illuminati. The New Age and Satanists are sympathetic to them.

Q: Do they respect real science or history in favor of "faith" in their own beliefs?

A: No. They will respect science, but they will try to rewrite history in set ups and dramas for children (where they purport to show them "real history" behind the scenes). Also, they will do time travel through portals, but I cannot say how accurate what occurs is, since I believe it is facilitated demonically.

The Illuminati teach their children that powerful occultists who were enlightened have been secretly behind the thrones of Europe, and down the ages behind the kingdoms of this world, since time began. True or propaganda? I donít know. They teach their children that underneath Stonehenge there is a great room filled with the skeletons of sacrifices. Fact or fiction? I donít know, and cannot fund the archeological expedition it would take to verify this or not.

How accurate their teachings are, I do question, since they also leave out the role of faith in God, and His ability to hold back evil. I believe that ultimately, God has been in control of human history, not evil.