by Cristoforo Barbato
Translated from Italian by Robert Morningstar and Matteo Sarti
(original Italian version)

from UFODigest Website


During the conference I spoke about underground bases in the USA and dedicated the last fifteen minutes of my speech to a very short summary of my work during last five years that had gone in a new direction and is the leading topic of my future lectures.


In the year 2000, I was working in Rome as an editor in the "Stargate" magazine and I wrote many articles about the Fatima Apparitions that took place in Portugal in 1917 and their famous Third Secret, as well as, other Vatican State-related mysteries. After the initial publication of these articles, I started to receive many e-mails from a person who identified himself as a Vatican insider. The mysterious man attempted to contact me anonymously and intermittently because he was interested in me and my research into Fatima.

From those e-mails, a story emerged regarding an enigmatic Vatican Intelligence Agency named "S.I.V.", a code from "Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano". In those letters, there was interesting information and in one of these he advised me that I would receive a video tape about observations of a presumed "10th Planet" coming closer to our Solar System. The video was taken by a space craft, part of a deep space program, started in the early 1990s, called "Siloe."

Through these details, I understood that the writer knew much more information than he was relating to me. For about one year, there were informal contacts via email and postal letters during which he revealed to me that he was a Jesuit member of "S.I.V." and worked in Rome for a certain department of the Holy See, which I verified without his knowledge.


Subsequently, I was able (with great difficulty) to arrange the first personal meeting in a public location in the capital (Rome) during which he continued to reveal more information to me.

I greatly desired the first personal meeting, which occurred in 2001, as a condition "sine qua non" because until then I was obviously skeptical (dubious) and untrusting of him even though the information and the video tape were interesting.


It was during that meeting that all my doubts completely disappeared when he showed me his credentials, some of which corresponded with what I had previously checked out by myself. In addition, he revealed to me that he was authorized to supervise the so-called "Secretum Omega" ("The Omega Secret"), the highest secrecy category in the Roman Catholic Church, equivalent to (the military's) "Cosmic Top Secret" in NATO.

As prearranged, the dialogue between us was structured in a question and answer form with a stated agreement that I would pose precise questions. Although the format of the meeting was respected (despite my desire to ask various different questions) in the short time available, some of his answers reversed the original setup regarding some subjects.


However, the following conversation still represents the main part of the dialogue but not all of it because I decided not to reveal some of the details for the moment.


Beginning of the Interview with "The Jesuit"

Barbato [B] : How did you become a member of S.I.V. (Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano)?

Gesuita [G] : The S.IV. is composed of different elements, all of which are connected to the Church and mainly composed, at least the Directorate, of priests, the majority of whom are taken from the Jesuit Order, Benedictine Monks and Nuns; in total, a few more than 100 members.

There could be fewer members but if one considers all parts of the world where there is a priest or a nun, each is also a potential source of precise information. Some elements of S.I.V. were and are taken from lay areas and institutions, internally connected to the Church, for example, humanitarian associations, political groups close to the Holy See, "young Catholics" movements and others. My background was similar to these.

Briefly, the members were secretly overseen, directed and formed according to determined criteria in certain fields. Nowadays, all of us realize subsequently that we had a personal "guardian angel" or mentor.

[B] : Could you give us more details about S.I.V.? Why was it created and how long has it been active…?

[G] : The structure is "Top Secret" but for the moment I can tell you that it is organized in a manner analogous to other intelligence organizations like CIA, MI-6, the KGB, etc. It doesn't have an official seat but new a location for reunion is chosen from time to time, always under the oversight of Vatican City. From a chronological point of view, the spark, which ignited the start of said organization, was caused by an event during the first half-decade of the 1950s in the United States, precisely in February of 1954.

This event was the meeting that occurred in California at Muroc Airfield (which later became Edwards Air Force Base) of an alien delegation with the President, Dwight D. Eisenhower, attended by the Bishop of Los Angeles, James Francis McIntyre.

The meeting was filmed by the military with three 16mm cameras, placed at different points, loaded with color film and spring drive motors; that is because each camera operator had to change the film every 3 minutes and because in the presence of the aliens, electric motor did not work. In total they shot 20 minutes of film in 7 rolls, each of them 30 meters in length.

At the end of the meeting, each member of the Earth delegation swore never to reveal to anyone what he had seen and what he had heard about the aliens. Don't ask me where the film is because I think that you must know the answer. Anyway, some days later, McIntyre, probably disappointed to have sworn himself to secrecy, departed in a hurry with the goal of meeting with Pope Pius XII to inform him of the incredible event.

But in order to reach Italy, Bishop McIntyre had to fly first to New York and then proceed to Rome, always in private aircraft. About half an after take-off from Los Angeles, the airplane suddenly experience technical difficulties and was forced to make an emergency landing at Skyhaven Airport, Las Vegas, NV during the night.


During the time that the airplane was being repaired, a certain person boarded the airplane to confer with the Bishop. The man presented military credentials of the US Armed Forces, a colonel in the USAF, and was received by McIntyre. The conversation lasted 20 minutes during which time this man dissuaded the Bishop from revealing all the details of the meeting in which he had assisted because all the alien matters had already been studied for many years exclusively by the USAF.


The military emphasized that the President had just requested a spiritual opinion and above all an understanding in a situation so anomalous and that his oath of secrecy also included the Holy Father. Not the least of which concerns was the internal infiltration of the Vatican by Soviet spies. The Bishop replied that it was precisely his intention to inform the Pope of the incredible event.

We now believe that the engine problem was previously and intentionally created in order to bring about that meeting, probably organized by certain military officers without President Eisenhower's knowledge. Before departing the military told the Bishop that notifying Rome would create great problems for him and for his safety, which could cost him much. Furthermore, they couldn't know yet if some divine message had predicted the meeting with the aliens.

Two days later, Pope Pius XII received Bishop McIntyre. After having meditated deeply on the possible implications of an exclusive military relationship with the aliens, the Pope decided to create a secret information department with a structure similar to the fascist military intelligence departments, to be called S.I.V. that would gather all possible information regarding the activities of the alien entity and information acquired by the Americans. It was very important to keep open channels of communication with President Eisenhower.

The S.I.V. was basically constituted to acquire and to manage all secret information above all regarding alien activities and matters, coordinating with other intelligence organization in other countries. The main goal of the newly formed department was to manage all aspect of the moral, philosophical and religious points of view.

[B] What made the Pope believe that the American military would have shared such sensitive information with the Vatican? What about the military man who appeared at the airport in Las Vegas?

[G] Understand, that meeting convened in the middle of the night by the President of the United States, seeking aid and spiritual support in a situation, unique in the entire story of humanity, I believe was a sign of esteem and trust. In confirmation of this, I tell you that upon returning to the United States, McIntyre and Archbishop Edward Mooney of Detroit were later the principle coordinators of the operation passing the information to the Vatican.


But these event took an unexpected turn because McIntyre and other S.I.V. members began to have direct contact, in essence without the knowledge of the military, with an alien race of the Nordic Type, apparently benevolent, coming from the Pleiades.


These aliens advised to be careful with the other creatures encountered by the Americans in the California desert. These meetings with the members of S.I.V. happened many times in the United States and twice also inside the Vatican Gardens near the Pontifical Academy of Science, in the presence of Pope Pius XII.

[B] Now, Padre Pio of Pietralcina spoke about the existence of other living creatures in other worlds that had attained a higher evolutionary state because they were without sin… Is that true?

[G] Without a doubt, but these beings, which you refer to, live in a different dimensional plane, different from in not being the angels in the true sense of the word, while on the other hand the Nordic Aliens that I spoke about previously have flesh and bone, even though they are very evolved to a technological and spiritual point, they still have bodies.


These creatures announced to have discovered in the Catholic Church, more precisely in the message of Christ, the pure presence of God and they offered to cooperate, themselves, for the good of humanity.

That firm affirmation on the part of these beings convinced Pius XII to collaborate with them and to consider them as authentic converts to the Christian faith.

The Pontiff probably realized that the Universal Church should communicate its message even to beings coming from other worlds. Besides, these aliens through the years were determined to assist the Church of Rome in all its missions, particularly, in determining the character of social and political situations internationally.

(Author's Note: I suggest that you read what Alberto Perego wrote during his time as Vatican Consul in some of his books.)

Pope John XXIII
Thereafter, even Pope John XXIII benefited from the support of these beings who had espoused the Christian cause but he always preferred to keep it secret speaking solely of "angelic intervention."


Pope John XXIII had inherited, in a manner of speaking, an agreement for collaboration between the Holy See and these beneficent aliens of the Nordic Race as stipulated by his predecessor. This situation (the secret agreement) endured throughout the Pontificate of Angelo Giussepe Roncalli, who many times expressed to the leaders of S.I.V. his fears regarding investing too much trust in these beings.


That's why today we believe that one of the main reasons for convening The Second Vatican Ecumenical Council was the need to take a first concrete step toward the renewal of the Church, in view of the possibility of immanent contact.


[B] Can we include in this intervention or "celestial mediation," the presumed contact that happened in 1963 between American contactee, George Adamski, and the Pope?

[G] I was just getting there. Adamski really met the Pope. He went to St. Peter's just once to meet the Pope who at that time had already decided that the Church ought not entertain any further direct contact with these aliens, even if they were positive. Furthermore, John XIII found it unacceptable to reveal this relationship to the Christian populace.


The assignment that the aliens commissioned to Adamski was to try to attain a final agreement with the Pope, who was dying. Adamski was a messenger for those aliens who met with the Pope through him. These beings ordered Adamski to deliver a gift to the Pope. The gift contained a liquid substance, which would have saved the Pope from gastric enteritis, which afflicted him at that time and, worse, in his last hours became acute peritonitis.

The Pope did not drink the substance and said before dying as he beheld the Crucifix:

"Quelle braccia allargate del Cristo sono state il programma del mio pontificato. Un pontificato umile e modesto quanto volete, ma di cui mi sono assunto tutte le responsabilità. Sono contento di quello che ho fatto e di come l'ho fatto...."

"The open arms of Christ were the purpose of my pontificate. A humble and modest pontificate as you see, for which I assume all responsibility. I am satisfied in what I have done and how I have done it."

Moreover, this gesture on the part of the aliens convinced the dying Pope, with little lucidity and energy remaining, that the "Space Brothers" might surely conduct positive and benevolent activities toward humanity but that they should operate autonomously and distinctly from the Church and, in general, from human activities, with prayer, actions according to the Law of God and, in particular, under the direction of the Holy Spirit.

Adamski's attempted mission ended direct contact between these beings and that Pope and his successors, trusting in the insight of John XXIII who established that it was not allowed to have direct contacts.


Later in a secret manuscript from Pope John XIII (Angelo Giussepe Roncalli) to his successor, which contained one special dossier about "Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano," the Pope mentioned a passage from the Gospel (of Mark) that clearly explained the position of the Church regarding these benevolent beings coming from other worlds.

Dal Vangelo secondo Marco ( 9, 38 e seg)

In quel tempo, Giovanni rispose a Gesù dicendo: "Maestro, abbiamo visto uno che scacciava i démoni nel tuo nome e glielo abbiamo vietato, perché non era dei nostri". Ma Gesù disse: "Non glielo proibite, perché non c'è nessuno che faccia un miracolo nel mio nome e subito dopo possa parlare male di me. Chi non è contro di noi è per noi. Chiunque vi darà da bere un bicchiere d'acqua nel mio nome perché siete di Cristo, vi dico in verità che non perderà la sua ricompensa".

From the Gospel of Mark 9: 38 ff.:

"At which time, John responded to Jesus saying: "Master, we saw a man who was casting out demons in your name and we forbad him because he was not one of us."

But Jesus said: "Forbid him not, for there is no man who shall do a miracle in my name that can then lightly speak evil of me. For he who is not against us is for us. For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because you belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward."

The High Altar at Vatican II Ecumenical Council

The meaning, in essence, was that the presumed positive activities of these aliens, who accepted the Christic message, should be "blessed" and not opposed (or obstructed) but always kept distinct and parallel to that of the Church. These aliens should be considered as the stranger who rescues in the name of Christ and who should not be impeded from doing so.

Close up Study of Sky Object in Carlo Crivelli's "The Annunciation"

Crivelli's "The Annunciation"


In this course, we could interject the speech, which the new Pontiff gave, in succeeding the late Pius XII, as he proclaimed publicly on the 5th of April, 1961 in St. Peter Plaza before a general audience, saying:

"Some voices were previously were unknown. But this concerns voices, descending from the sky to the Earth, voices which possess and reflect the omnipotence of the Heavenly Father."

[B] Let's talk about your tasks on the S.I.V scene.

[G] My tasks were purely technical, the most important of which were, for example, to take extremely secret information coming from a Vatican radio telescope located in Alaska and forward it to respective destinations.

[B] Just a second, but to which radio telescope are you referring? I did not know that the Vatican owned such a structure in that area.

[G] The Vatican owns and utilizes an extremely advanced radio telescope that is in the vanguard of systems and technology and is only used by Jesuits. It is located inside an industrial park used to store petroleum, apparently abandoned, situated in the state of Alaska. This complex is camouflage because officially the activities that go on inside are not those of the VATT in Arizona and are kept "Top Secret."

Translator's note: I have found a HAARP test application that could possibly be used in a search for Nibiru. HAARP is located in Gakona, Alaska. See "Lunar Radar Experiment"


[B] When was that apparatus built and, above all, what end in sight did the Vatican have in owning so many other astronomical sites around the world?

[G] What I can say is that it was built in the 1990s with the object of studying all anomalous celestial bodies approaching Earth, similar to what the CIA did with one of its "secret eyes," the twin to Hubble, called "SkyHole 12" (a.k.a. Keyhole 12).

Moreover, the S.I.V. was informed during the meetings (of the aliens) with Pope Pius XII of the approach of a celestial body to the solar system in which resides an advanced very warlike alien race. Very shortly, I knew that the material that I should have been receiving in Rome and then analyzing on a computer was very interesting and extremely secret.


It was during the analysis of certain data and information from the Alaska radio telescope that we discovered that one remote deep space probe, part of a deep space exploration program called "SILOE", which was started in 1990 had taken a photograph of a huge planet getting closer to the Solar System.


The information was received in Alaska during October 1995, which is when my problems started. I discovered that I was not chosen to decode that particular transmission and a dangerous situation evolved. At that time, my contact revealed to me that, inside the Vatican, there were two factions struggle over possession and control of this information, which was classified far beyond "Top Secret."

[B] Can you give me some other details on the space program called SILOE? Who proposed and launched it?

[G] The probe called "SILOE" takes its name from an identically named program of space exploration begun in the early 1990s. Furthermore, regarding this, I can add that this program was part of another one, much wider in scope, named "Kerigma."

(Author's note: Regarding the latter ("Kerigma"), nothing was revealed to me.)

For now, I can just tell you that this probe was created in Area 51, has an electromagnetic impulse motor, and it was put in orbit by a space plane, like type "Aurora." The probe did not have any calculations or pre-indications of the trajectory or the precise location of "Nibiru," because its purpose was to approach that planet, correcting its direction to avoid impact and to return to this Solar System to a position close enough to transmit the data and images to the secret radio telescope located in Alaska.


The probe was launched as soon as the radio telescope was and the probe was capable of transmitting images in 1995.

[B] What I am hearing from you reminds me of some theories formulated by researcher, Zecharia Sitchin, regarding the future return of the mysterious 12th planet. Do you know this work?

[G] Yes, I know about the principle aspects. What I can say is that S.I.V. in collaboration with Lockheed Martin launched that probe, which made the images that I later analyzed. These images are of an enormous celestial body whose presence will "felt" within at most 3 years from 2001 in our Solar System.

[B] How did you get access to such information?

[G] Actually, I possess an authorization for the supervision of the so-called "Secretum Omega." This is the highest classification of secrecy in the Vatican, equivalent to "Cosmic Top Secret" in NATO. This is subdivided into 3 levels of information: from the least detailed, Secretum Omega Level III to the Secretum Omega Level I, which is the most complete. My actual goal was to indoctrinate new members of S.I.V., teaching them the use of the communication systems of this organization.

[B] How is the information collected by the radio telescope in Alaska relayed to Italy?

[G] There are some radios and antennas linked to two geostationary satellites over Italy, property of an American telecommunications company, Sprint International, which owns parabolic antennae located in Italy, in the north and in the extreme south.


This company has a special contract with the S.I.V. and a private channel broadcasting and receiving enciphered data using private algorithms and personalized cryptography, used since 1994. Before this, the S.I.V. utilized a cryptographic system invented by a Swiss society, which was subsequently abandoned because one of the members of this society sold secretly to some Israelis. I can't give you other technical information at the moment.

[B] I would like to ask you about a well-known religious legate to the Church. I am referring to Monsignor Balducci who publicly spoke about the extraterrestrial themes. Is it possible that Balducci is working in concert with S.I.V.? And that he has knowledge of its existence?

[G] Surely Father Balducci made his studies and his research in a totally autonomous manner without following any preexisting established program. During his research, he was never obstructed. On the contrary, in certain ways he was actually encouraged.

[B] Just a moment please, it seems to me understanding your words that there exists a program for disclosure. And, maybe, for this reason could it be that you decided to meet me and reveal this information to me?

[G] We are "crazy splintered", according to the system, but we know that certain events are going to happen to all living beings on the planet; no one is excluded. All humanity in this actual period of history is living in a particular circumstance and intimately linked to some key events contained in the Book of the Apocalypse.


The human race must surrender completely to the message of salvation and redemption of Christ, which St. Paul defined as "Kerigma," a message that John Paul II is trying to spread to all nations. Don't you think that the Pope knows how close these events are to us?

[B] But how much does the Pope know about all this information, also in view of the passionate declaration that he made from this year?

(Author's note: the year is 2000 specially concerned the official trip to Fatima for solemn beatification of seers Francisco and Jacinta)

[G] Inside the Vatican there are two different groups struggling one against the other with counter positions; one of these promulgates disclosure of this information program and is defended body and soul by Wojtila (Pope John Paul II), the other tried to block any information from getting out by any means, to the point that some members of this faction take part in occult power groups.


For example, they control the world oil market, actually working in many international economies with the sole purpose of blocking any disclosure of any alternative free energy sources. Groups like that behind the famous and controversial "The Guardian UFO Case" of which you know, dramatically authenticated this information in great measure with the exception of photographs of presumed alien entities.

Anyway, these documents and information describe a real situation. Reality often surpasses the craziest fantasy. Unfortunately, this is the case. And of all these occult organizations, the apex is the SVS.

End of the Interview with "The Jesuit"