by Cristoforo Barbato
Translated from Italian by
Robert Morningstar and Matteo Sarti
During the conference I spoke about
underground bases in the USA and dedicated the last fifteen minutes
of my speech to a very short summary of my work during last five
years that had gone in a new direction and is the leading topic of
my future lectures.
In the year 2000, I was working in Rome
as an editor in the "Stargate" magazine and I wrote many articles
about the Fatima Apparitions that took place in Portugal in 1917 and
their famous Third Secret, as well as, other Vatican State-related
mysteries. After the initial publication of these articles, I
started to receive many e-mails from a person who identified himself
as a Vatican insider. The mysterious man attempted to contact me
anonymously and intermittently because he was interested in me and
my research into Fatima.
From those e-mails, a story emerged regarding an enigmatic Vatican
Intelligence Agency named "S.I.V.", a code from "Servizio
Informazioni del Vaticano". In those letters, there was interesting
information and in one of these he advised me that I would receive a
video tape about observations of a presumed "10th Planet" coming
closer to our Solar System. The video was taken by a space craft,
part of a deep space program, started in the early 1990s, called "Siloe."
Through these details, I understood that the writer knew much more
information than he was relating to me. For about one year, there
were informal contacts via email and postal letters during which he
revealed to me that he was a Jesuit member of "S.I.V." and worked in
Rome for a certain department of the Holy See, which I verified
without his knowledge.
Subsequently, I was able (with great
difficulty) to arrange the first personal meeting in a public
location in the capital (Rome) during which he continued to reveal
more information to me.
I greatly desired the first personal meeting, which occurred in
2001, as a condition "sine qua non" because until then I was
obviously skeptical (dubious) and untrusting of him even though the
information and the video tape were interesting.
It was during that
meeting that all my doubts completely disappeared when he showed me
his credentials, some of which corresponded with what I had
previously checked out by myself. In addition, he revealed to me
that he was authorized to supervise the so-called "Secretum Omega"
("The Omega Secret"), the highest secrecy category in the Roman
Catholic Church, equivalent to (the military's) "Cosmic Top Secret"
As prearranged, the dialogue between us was structured in a question
and answer form with a stated agreement that I would pose precise
questions. Although the format of the meeting was respected (despite
my desire to ask various different questions) in the short time
available, some of his answers reversed the original setup regarding
However, the following conversation
still represents the main part of the dialogue but not all of it
because I decided not to reveal some of the details for the moment.
Beginning of the Interview with "The Jesuit"
Barbato [B] : How did you become a member of S.I.V. (Servizio
Informazioni del Vaticano)?
Gesuita [G] : The S.IV. is composed of different elements, all
of which are connected to the Church and mainly composed, at
least the Directorate, of priests, the majority of whom are
the Jesuit Order, Benedictine Monks and Nuns; in
total, a few more than 100 members.
There could be fewer members but if one considers all parts of
the world where there is a priest or a nun, each is also a
potential source of precise information. Some elements of S.I.V.
were and are taken from lay areas and institutions, internally
connected to the Church, for example, humanitarian associations,
political groups close to the Holy See, "young Catholics"
movements and others. My background was similar to these.
Briefly, the members were secretly overseen, directed and formed
according to determined criteria in certain fields. Nowadays,
all of us realize subsequently that we had a personal "guardian
angel" or mentor.
[B] : Could you give us more details about S.I.V.? Why was it
created and how long has it been active…?
[G] : The structure is "Top Secret" but for the moment I can
tell you that it is organized in a manner analogous to other
intelligence organizations like CIA, MI-6, the KGB, etc. It
doesn't have an official seat but new a location for reunion is
chosen from time to time, always under the oversight of Vatican
City. From a chronological point of view, the spark, which
ignited the start of said organization, was caused by an event
during the first half-decade of the 1950s in the United States,
precisely in February of 1954.
This event was the meeting that occurred in California at Muroc
Airfield (which later became Edwards Air Force Base) of
delegation with the President, Dwight D. Eisenhower, attended by
the Bishop of Los Angeles, James Francis McIntyre.
The meeting was filmed by the military with three 16mm cameras,
placed at different points, loaded with color film and spring
drive motors; that is because each camera operator had to change
the film every 3 minutes and because in the presence of the
aliens, electric motor did not work. In total they shot 20
minutes of film in 7 rolls, each of them 30 meters in length.
At the end of the meeting, each member of the Earth delegation
swore never to reveal to anyone what he had seen and what he had
heard about the aliens. Don't ask me where the film is because I
think that you must know the answer. Anyway, some days later,
McIntyre, probably disappointed to have sworn himself to
secrecy, departed in a hurry with the goal of meeting with Pope
Pius XII to inform him of the incredible event.
But in order to reach Italy, Bishop McIntyre had to fly first to
New York and then proceed to Rome, always in private aircraft.
About half an after take-off from Los Angeles, the airplane
suddenly experience technical difficulties and was forced to
make an emergency landing at Skyhaven Airport, Las Vegas, NV
during the night.
During the time that the airplane was being
repaired, a certain person boarded the airplane to confer with
the Bishop. The man presented military credentials of the US
Armed Forces, a colonel in the USAF, and was received by
McIntyre. The conversation lasted 20 minutes during which time
this man dissuaded the Bishop from revealing all the details of
the meeting in which he had assisted because all the alien
matters had already been studied for many years exclusively by
The military emphasized that the President had just
requested a spiritual opinion and above all an understanding in
a situation so anomalous and that his oath of secrecy also
included the Holy Father. Not the least of which concerns was
the internal infiltration of the Vatican by Soviet spies. The
Bishop replied that it was precisely his intention to inform the
Pope of the incredible event.
We now believe that the engine problem was previously and
intentionally created in order to bring about that meeting,
probably organized by certain military officers without
President Eisenhower's knowledge. Before departing the military
told the Bishop that notifying Rome would create great problems
for him and for his safety, which could cost him much.
Furthermore, they couldn't know yet if some divine message had
predicted the meeting with the aliens.
Two days later, Pope Pius XII received Bishop McIntyre. After
having meditated deeply on the possible implications of an
exclusive military relationship with the aliens, the Pope
decided to create a secret information department with a
structure similar to the fascist military intelligence
departments, to be called S.I.V. that would gather all possible
information regarding the activities of the alien entity and
information acquired by the Americans. It was very important to
keep open channels of communication with President Eisenhower.
The S.I.V. was basically constituted to acquire and to manage
all secret information above all regarding alien activities
matters, coordinating with other intelligence organization in
other countries. The main goal of the newly formed department
was to manage all aspect of the moral, philosophical and
religious points of view.
[B] What made the Pope believe that the American military would
have shared such sensitive information with the Vatican? What
about the military man who appeared at the airport in Las Vegas?
[G] Understand, that meeting convened in the middle of the night
by the President of the United States, seeking aid and spiritual
support in a situation, unique in the entire story of humanity,
I believe was a sign of esteem and trust. In confirmation of
this, I tell you that upon returning to the United States,
McIntyre and Archbishop Edward Mooney of Detroit were later the
principle coordinators of the operation passing the information
to the Vatican.
But these event took an unexpected turn because
McIntyre and other S.I.V. members began to have direct contact,
in essence without the knowledge of the military, with an alien
race of the Nordic Type, apparently benevolent, coming from
These aliens advised to be careful with the other
creatures encountered by the Americans in the California desert.
These meetings with the members of S.I.V. happened many times in
the United States and twice also inside the Vatican Gardens near
the Pontifical Academy of Science, in the presence of Pope Pius
[B] Now, Padre Pio of Pietralcina spoke about the existence of
other living creatures in other worlds that had attained a
higher evolutionary state because they were without sin… Is that
[G] Without a doubt, but these beings, which you refer to, live
in a different dimensional plane, different from in not being
the angels in the true sense of the word, while on the other
hand the Nordic Aliens that I spoke about previously have flesh
and bone, even though they are very evolved to a technological
and spiritual point, they still have bodies.
announced to have discovered in the Catholic Church, more
precisely in the message of Christ, the pure presence of God and
they offered to cooperate, themselves, for the good of humanity.
That firm affirmation on the part of these beings convinced Pius
XII to collaborate with them and to consider them as authentic
converts to the Christian faith.
The Pontiff probably realized that the Universal Church should
communicate its message even to beings coming from other worlds.
Besides, these aliens through the years were determined to
assist the Church of Rome in all its missions, particularly, in
determining the character of social and political situations
(Author's Note: I suggest that you read what Alberto Perego
wrote during his time as Vatican Consul in some of his books.)
Pope John XXIII
Thereafter, even Pope John XXIII benefited from the support
of these beings who had espoused the Christian cause but he
always preferred to keep it secret speaking solely of
Pope John XXIII had inherited, in a
manner of speaking, an agreement for collaboration between
the Holy See and these beneficent aliens of the Nordic Race
as stipulated by his predecessor. This situation (the secret
agreement) endured throughout the Pontificate of Angelo Giussepe Roncalli, who many times expressed to the leaders
of S.I.V. his fears regarding investing too much trust in
That's why today we believe that one of the
main reasons for convening The Second Vatican Ecumenical
Council was the need to take a first concrete step toward
the renewal of the Church, in view of the possibility of
[B] Can we include in this
intervention or "celestial mediation," the presumed contact that
happened in 1963 between American contactee, George Adamski, and
[G] I was just getting there. Adamski really met the Pope. He
went to St. Peter's just once to meet the Pope who at that time
had already decided that the Church ought not entertain any
further direct contact with these aliens, even if they were
positive. Furthermore, John XIII found it unacceptable to reveal
this relationship to the Christian populace.
The assignment that
the aliens commissioned to Adamski was to try to attain a final
agreement with the Pope, who was dying. Adamski was a messenger
for those aliens who met with the Pope through him. These beings
ordered Adamski to deliver a gift to the Pope. The gift
contained a liquid substance, which would have saved the Pope
from gastric enteritis, which afflicted him at that time and,
worse, in his last hours became acute peritonitis.
The Pope did not drink the substance and said before dying as he
beheld the Crucifix:
"Quelle braccia allargate del
Cristo sono state il programma del mio pontificato. Un
pontificato umile e modesto quanto volete, ma di cui mi sono
assunto tutte le responsabilità. Sono contento di quello che
ho fatto e di come l'ho fatto...."
"The open arms of Christ were the purpose of my pontificate.
A humble and modest pontificate as you see, for which I
assume all responsibility. I am satisfied in what I have
done and how I have done it."
Moreover, this gesture on the part
of the aliens convinced the dying Pope, with little lucidity and
energy remaining, that the "Space Brothers" might surely conduct
positive and benevolent activities toward humanity but that they
should operate autonomously and distinctly from the Church and,
in general, from human activities, with prayer, actions
according to the Law of God and, in particular, under the
direction of the Holy Spirit.
Adamski's attempted mission ended direct contact between these
beings and that Pope and his successors, trusting in the insight
of John XXIII who established that it was not allowed to have
Later in a secret manuscript from Pope John
XIII (Angelo Giussepe Roncalli) to his successor, which contained
one special dossier about "Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano,"
the Pope mentioned a passage from the Gospel (of Mark) that
clearly explained the position of the Church regarding these
benevolent beings coming from other worlds.
Dal Vangelo secondo Marco ( 9,
38 e seg)
In quel tempo, Giovanni rispose a Gesù dicendo: "Maestro,
abbiamo visto uno che scacciava i démoni nel tuo nome e
glielo abbiamo vietato, perché non era dei nostri". Ma Gesù
disse: "Non glielo proibite, perché non c'è nessuno che
faccia un miracolo nel mio nome e subito dopo possa parlare
male di me. Chi non è contro di noi è per noi. Chiunque vi
darà da bere un bicchiere d'acqua nel mio nome perché siete
di Cristo, vi dico in verità che non perderà la sua
From the Gospel of Mark 9: 38 ff.:
"At which time, John responded to Jesus saying: "Master, we
saw a man who was casting out demons in your name and we
forbad him because he was not one of us."
But Jesus said: "Forbid him not, for there is no man who
shall do a miracle in my name that can then lightly speak
evil of me. For he who is not against us is for us. For
whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name,
because you belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he
shall not lose his reward."
The High Altar at Vatican II Ecumenical Council
The meaning, in essence, was that the presumed positive
activities of these aliens, who accepted the Christic message,
should be "blessed" and not opposed (or obstructed) but always
kept distinct and parallel to that of the Church. These aliens
should be considered as the stranger who rescues in the name of
Christ and who should not be impeded from doing so.
Close up Study of Sky Object in
In this course, we could interject the speech, which the new
Pontiff gave, in succeeding the late Pius XII, as he proclaimed
publicly on the 5th of April, 1961 in St. Peter Plaza before a
general audience, saying:
"Some voices were previously
were unknown. But this concerns voices, descending from the
sky to the Earth, voices which possess and reflect the
omnipotence of the Heavenly Father."
[B] Let's talk about your tasks on the S.I.V scene.
[G] My tasks were purely technical, the most important of which
were, for example, to take extremely secret information coming
from a Vatican radio telescope located in Alaska and forward it
to respective destinations.
[B] Just a second, but to which radio telescope are you
referring? I did not know that the Vatican owned such a
structure in that area.
[G] The Vatican owns and utilizes an extremely advanced radio
telescope that is in the vanguard of systems and technology and
is only used by Jesuits. It is located inside an industrial park
used to store petroleum, apparently abandoned, situated in the
state of Alaska. This complex is camouflage because officially
the activities that go on inside are not those of the VATT in
Arizona and are kept "Top Secret."
Translator's note: I have found a
HAARP test application that
could possibly be used in a search for
Nibiru. HAARP is located
in Gakona, Alaska. See "Lunar Radar Experiment"
[B] When was that apparatus built and, above all, what end in
sight did the Vatican have in owning so many other astronomical
sites around the world?
[G] What I can say is that it was built in the 1990s with the
object of studying all anomalous celestial bodies approaching
Earth, similar to what the CIA did with one of its "secret
eyes," the twin to Hubble, called "SkyHole 12" (a.k.a.
Moreover, the S.I.V. was informed during the meetings (of the
aliens) with Pope Pius XII of the approach of a celestial body
to the solar system in which resides an advanced very warlike
alien race. Very shortly, I knew that the material that I should
have been receiving in Rome and then analyzing on a computer was
very interesting and extremely secret.
It was during the
analysis of certain data and information from the Alaska radio
telescope that we discovered that one remote deep space probe,
part of a deep space exploration program called "SILOE", which
was started in 1990 had taken a photograph of a huge planet
getting closer to the Solar System.
The information was received
in Alaska during October 1995, which is when my problems
started. I discovered that I was not chosen to decode that
particular transmission and a dangerous situation evolved. At
that time, my contact revealed to me that, inside the Vatican,
there were two factions struggle over possession and control of
this information, which was classified far beyond "Top Secret."
[B] Can you give me some other details on the space program
called SILOE? Who proposed and launched it?
[G] The probe called "SILOE" takes its name from an identically
named program of space exploration begun in the early 1990s.
Furthermore, regarding this, I can add that this program was
part of another one, much wider in scope, named "Kerigma."
(Author's note: Regarding the latter ("Kerigma"), nothing was
revealed to me.)
For now, I can just tell you that this probe
was created in Area 51, has an electromagnetic impulse motor,
and it was put in orbit by a space plane, like type "Aurora."
The probe did not have any calculations or pre-indications of
the trajectory or the precise location of "Nibiru," because its
purpose was to approach that planet, correcting its direction to
avoid impact and to return to this Solar System to a position
close enough to transmit the data and images to the secret radio
telescope located in Alaska.
The probe was launched as soon as
the radio telescope was and the probe was capable of
transmitting images in 1995.
[B] What I am hearing from you reminds me of some theories
formulated by researcher,
Zecharia Sitchin, regarding the
future return of the mysterious 12th planet. Do you know this
[G] Yes, I know about the principle aspects. What I can say is
that S.I.V. in collaboration with Lockheed Martin launched that
probe, which made the images that I later analyzed. These images
are of an enormous celestial body whose presence will "felt"
within at most 3 years from 2001 in our Solar System.
[B] How did you get access to such information?
[G] Actually, I possess an authorization for the supervision of
the so-called "Secretum Omega." This is the highest
classification of secrecy in the Vatican, equivalent to "Cosmic
Top Secret" in NATO. This is subdivided into 3 levels of
information: from the least detailed, Secretum Omega Level III
to the Secretum Omega Level I, which is the most complete. My
actual goal was to indoctrinate new members of S.I.V., teaching
them the use of the communication systems of this organization.
[B] How is the information collected by the radio telescope in
Alaska relayed to Italy?
[G] There are some radios and antennas linked to two
geostationary satellites over Italy, property of an American
telecommunications company, Sprint International, which owns
parabolic antennae located in Italy, in the north and in the
This company has a special contract with the
S.I.V. and a private channel broadcasting and receiving
enciphered data using private algorithms and personalized
cryptography, used since 1994. Before this, the S.I.V. utilized
a cryptographic system invented by a Swiss society, which was
subsequently abandoned because one of the members of this
society sold secretly to some Israelis. I can't give you other
technical information at the moment.
[B] I would like to ask you about a well-known religious legate
to the Church. I am referring to Monsignor Balducci who publicly
spoke about the extraterrestrial themes.
Is it possible that Balducci is working in concert with S.I.V.? And that he has
knowledge of its existence?
[G] Surely Father Balducci made his studies and his research in
a totally autonomous manner without following any preexisting
established program. During his research, he was never
obstructed. On the contrary, in certain ways he was actually
[B] Just a moment please, it seems to me understanding your
words that there exists a program for disclosure. And, maybe,
for this reason could it be that you decided to meet me and
reveal this information to me?
[G] We are "crazy splintered", according to the system, but we
know that certain events are going to happen to all living
beings on the planet; no one is excluded. All humanity in this
actual period of history is living in a particular circumstance
and intimately linked to some key events contained in the Book
of the Apocalypse.
The human race must surrender completely to
the message of salvation and redemption of Christ, which St.
Paul defined as "Kerigma," a message that John Paul II is trying
to spread to all nations. Don't you think that the Pope knows
how close these events are to us?
[B] But how much does the Pope know about all this information,
also in view of the passionate declaration that he made from
(Author's note: the year is 2000 specially concerned
the official trip to Fatima for solemn beatification of seers
Francisco and Jacinta)
[G] Inside the Vatican there are two different groups struggling
one against the other with counter positions; one of these
promulgates disclosure of this information program and is
defended body and soul by Wojtila (Pope John Paul II), the other
tried to block any information from getting out by any means, to
the point that some members of this faction take part in occult
For example, they control the world oil market,
actually working in many international economies with the sole
purpose of blocking any disclosure of any alternative free
energy sources. Groups like that behind the famous and
controversial "The Guardian UFO Case" of which you know,
dramatically authenticated this information in great measure
with the exception of photographs of presumed alien entities.
Anyway, these documents and information describe a real
situation. Reality often surpasses the craziest fantasy.
Unfortunately, this is the case. And of all these occult
organizations, the apex is the SVS.
End of the Interview with "The Jesuit"