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I have just met with a man who has been able to substantiate certain
sections of my MAJIC.TXT. You will all find the following text very
interesting. In order to confirm his knowledge I performed several
tests which will you will spot in the text. His revelations were not
solicited, I merely asked him to read the MAJIC.TXT and call me if
he wished to talk.
I met him through friends. This is the
text of two meetings which I had with him. The first occurred when
we were introduced. The second occurred on Christmas Eve and was the
I attended a Christmas party given by a friend who I have known for
many years. During the evening my friend took me aside and told me
that a man was present that he thought I should meet. My friend told
me that because of the information that I had recently released this
man might be able to give me information. I asked why he thought so?
My friend told me that the man had been in the Army for 21 years and
was assigned to DELTA SECURITY. I was immediately interested and
asked to be introduced.
My friend introduced me to a tall, lean, fit man who was in his late
60's. I was impressed with his physical fitness. His hair was grey
and he stood with the bearing of one who had spent many years with
the military. He was mentally sharp and showed no effects of his
After we had been introduced I told him that I too had spent many
years in military service, the Navy. I asked him where he had been
stationed. He replied that he had spent a lot of time in Colorado,
Mew Mexico, Nevada, and at Edwards Air Force Base. I commented that
I thought it strange that an Army man would be stationed at Edwards.
"Oh, he said, I was with Delta
Security and we had a lot to do with intra-service projects."
"We provided security for several
I then asked him if he had ever heard of
Project REDLIGHT. His eyes narrowed and he seemed uncomfortable. In
fact he looked around the room as if looking for somewhere else to
"I may have, he replied, but you
know from your Navy days that I can't discuss what I was
I told him that in a way I was involved
with it also and then I told him that I was with Naval Intelligence
for a time. We exchanged small talk but clearly he was uncomfortable
since my mention of REDLIGHT. I excused myself then found my friend
again. I asked my friend if he still had his copy of my MAJIC.TXT
and if he did would he get it for me. He left the room and then came
back and handed me the file.
I waited until I saw that the Ex-Army man was leaving and then went
out to his car with him. I asked him if he would look at something
that I would draw. He said yes but really had to leave. On the back
of the MAJIC.TXT file I drew the TRILATERAL insignia. I said
nothing. He grabbed the file and asked me where I had seen the
insignia. I told him I had seen it while with Naval Intelligence and
asked him if he knew what it was.
"Yes, he said, it is on a piece of
equipment. Do you know what the equipment is?"
I told him that it makes no sound.
"You know then what REDLIGHT really is, he said."
I replied that I did. I told him that
the papers he held was a file explaining the whole thing and that I
would like him to read it and then call me if he would be willing to
talk to me about his experiences. I told him that I have never
revealed sources and would never reveal him as the source of the
information. He looked me right in the eye and said,
"If you even tell anyone about this
conversation I will call you a liar right to your face."
I told him that I understood fully. I
asked him how long he had known my friend. He said he had known him
for about 7 years. I told him to ask our mutual friend about me so
that he would feel more comfortable about me. He took the file and
A few days later he called me and asked to meet me during the day at
a local park on Christmas Eve. We arranged the time and met at a
picnic table at the park.
The first thing that he said was that he never wanted his name
connected with anything that I ever did or said and that he never
wanted to see me again after our meeting. I agreed to those terms.
He then gave me his telephone number and asked me to call him if I
ever thought that his identity had been compromised in any way. I
agreed to that also.
I then asked him why he had agreed to talk to me about his
"For the same reason that you are
talking about it, he replied, the whole thing is very grim and
it won't get better."
I asked him if he wanted me to ask
questions or if he would just like to narrate. He told me to ask
questions and when I pulled out my tape recorder he told me not to
use it because voice identification was possible. I knew that this
was possible and again consented to his terms. I asked if I could
take notes and he agreed to notes only.
Bill.- Where did you
the TRILATERAL INSIGNIA that I drew for you at the party and
that you saw in my file?
Man.- On a flying saucer that I guarded at Edwards Air
Force Base. I saw it again on different saucers when I was at
Area 51 in Nevada.... Your file is pretty accurate as to what I
know.... I was surprised by the extent of your knowledge.
Bill.- I saw some of the information and have other
sources. That file is the product of 17 years of searching. In
fact a lot of it came from doing what we are doing now, just
talking to people. Can you tell me how you came to see the
saucer at Edwards?
Man.- I was assigned to guard a hanger at Edwards, at the
time I didn't know what was in it.
Bill.- What was the name of the hanger?
Man.- The hanger had no number or name. We called it the
Bill.- Can you tell me where it is located?
Man.- It is on the North Base. Its the only hanger off by
itself and no one is allowed near it without a special badge and
Bill.- What does the badge look like?
Man.- It is a red badge with a black triangle on the face
of it and personal information on the back.... like any other ID.
Bill.- How did you see the saucer?
Man.- The hanger is only entered through one door. Inside
the door is the guard room. On the other side of the guard room
is a door that goes into an office. On the other side of the
office is another door. We were not allowed out of the guard
room but one night the duty officer asked me if I knew what I
was guarding. I said no that it was not my job to know. He asked
me if I would like to see. I thought he was checking me out and
told him it wasn't necessary. He motioned for me to follow him
and then took me through the office and into the hanger. I saw
the saucer sitting on legs and it seemed to have jacks under it
Bill.- Can you describe it for me?
Man.- It was about 30 feet in diameter, metal but not
shiny. Like tarnished silver.
Bill.- How thick was it?
Man.- About 15 to 18 feet thick.......It had the insignia
on the underside and again on the top.
Bill.- Did you see any openings?
Man.- No but I only saw one side and it was only for
about 3 or 4 minutes.
Bill.- Was it round?
Man.- Oh yes... just like the movies.
Bill.- Were there any windows?
Man.- There was what looked to be windows around the
raised portion but I could not see inside.
Bill.- Were they round?
Man.- No, they were rectangular.... I also saw a groove
around the saucer about 4 feet from the edge all the way around
and it was on the top and bottom. There was an area on the
bottom that looked like vents or louvers.
Bill.- What did the Officer say to you?
Man.- Only that he did not show me anything and we went
back to the guard room then he left.
Bill.- Isn't that unusual?
Man.- Everything I did or saw on Delta was unusual. I saw
people break down and cry for no reason at times. When things
like that occurred you would never see that man again.
Bill.- What happened to them?
Man.- I don't know and didn't ask.
Bill.- Lets deviate from this for awhile. Do you mind?
Man.- No, I don't.
Bill.- How did you get into Delta security?
Man.- I was recruited into the National Recon
Organization and went to Fort Carson Colorado. After a lot of
training I was screened for Delta and then assigned to Delta.
Bill.- Why did they recruit you?
Man.- I was told that it was because I was an orphan. If
something happens to someone connected to a secret project and
they have family, the family could compromise the project in just
trying to find out what happened to their loved one.
Bill.- Is everyone in Delta orphans?
Man.- Just about, either that or their family died or was
killed later in life.
Bill.- Didn't that bother you? I mean what could be so
secret that they have to use orphans?
Man.- Some of the things I've seen......The stories...
especially concerning dreamland....Did you know there are bounty
hunters connected with dreamland?
Bill.- What do you mean?
Man.- If you work at Dreamland and go on leave or pass
and are not back on time or if someone doesn't come back they
send bounty hunters after you....... That's where the
visitors... you know what I mean... live.... there is an
underground facility....... I don't think I should say
anymore..... Most of the time I was there I can't even remember
anyway..... We were supposed to talk about Redlight.
Bill.- I don't remember agreeing to talk only about
Redlight.... Is this a new condition?
Man.- Yes, I don't want to talk about anything
else........ I will tell you that very strange things happen at
Bill.- What do you mean when you say you can't remember?
Man.- I can't remember.... I really don't want to talk
about Dreamland..... I won't talk about it.
Bill.- Please don't tantalize me. Either talk about it or
don't but don't do this to me. What else can you say about
Dreamland? Can you tell me where it is?
Man.- No, I can't talk about it. This is all very
dangerous and I am married now..... I just can't take a chance.
Bill.- Ok, tell me about
Man.- Area 51 is at Groom Lake in Nevada. Its the
headquarters of Redlight....... The saucers are flown there. Its
part of the test range... Its on the map... its just a dry lake
bed with a Top Secret installation built on and around it.
Bill.- Have you seen one fly?
Man.- Yes, they are incredibly fast and make no noise at
Bill.- Is the one at Area 51 the same as the one at
Man.- One was the same.... the other one I saw looks like
a diamond....... like in a woman's engagement ring..... if you take
the diamond out of a ring and turn it upside down...... that's
what it looks like.
Bill.- You mean literally like a diamond?
Man.- No, but the shape is the same..... it really
glows.... but only when it flies. On the ground it is the same
metal as the saucer at Edwards.... when it flies it glows like the
sun and sometimes changes colors.
Bill.- How close were you when you saw it?
Man.- Not close... no one was allowed to get close.... I
think it emitted radiation because we were all required to wear
dosimeters and they had to be checked daily.
Bill.- You mean it was atomic powered?
Man.- I don't know..... I only know there was a
radiation hazard and our dosimeters were checked daily. We
turned them in to be checked and were issued new ones every day.
Bill.- How long did you stay at Area 51?
Man.- The first time was for 3 months.... Nobody ever
stayed more than a few months. The second time I was there was
for almost 5 months..... its like wartime there were no passes
while at Area 51.... we had excellent recreation facilities
Bill.- I hate to press you but I would like to know more
about Dreamland. My information seems to conflict with yours. I
have information that the Alien base is in New Mexico, is that
where Dreamland is?
Man.- There is more than one base and I have to go
now.... I should not be talking to you about anything at all.
Its all too dangerous.... even more than you think..... I don't
know everything but I know that its way out of control and to
tell you the truth I'm afraid of what is going to
happen..... Don't ask me what because I don't know but..... I
know something is going to happen....... Giant underground
shelters are being built under Groom Lake... and in other
places. From reading your papers you know more about a lot of
this than I do..... I really do have to go now... Its Christmas
Eve and I live a ways off.
Bill.- Before you go would you look over these notes and
make sure they're right?
Man.- I watched you write and its right. What are you
going to do with those notes?
Bill.- I'll make a file and release this in the form of an
interview without identifying you.
Man.- If you do I'll call you a liar.
Bill.- I won't identify you and just so you will feel
better I have never identified any of my sources. If you ever
want to talk again you have my phone number.
Man.- I don't think so.... you had better be real
careful... I mean about yourself.... I really wouldn't give
anyone else those notes.... You should think about it.
Bill.- What do you think will happen?
Man.- The same thing that has happened to ......some
others....... you should just drop it..... you.... nobody can do
The rest was just parting conversation. He seemed to be very
sincere and very worried about what he was telling and worried
about my safety as well as his own.
This is the second person who has described a saucer at Edwards,
the same security badge, and reference to Dreamland keeps coming
up with these people. This is the first time I have heard that
there is more than one alien base and it is the first time I
have heard of bounty hunters. I think the reference to a
radiation hazard and the use of dosemeters is significant in
view of the incident in Texas involving the two women. John Lear
told me that Dreamland was at Edwards.
Personally I do not know
the location. Just the name "DREAMLAND" is so far away from the
normal military trend of naming projects and places that it
provokes questions. I would like to point out that at one point
my sources told me the alien base was at Dreamland then they
told me it wasn't true and backed away from it. The name keeps
cropping up in connection with the alien base.
Reference to loss of memory is also common with abductees. I
found this interview to be personally disturbing.
Where possible I wrote down the questions and answers and those
are written exactly as asked and as answered. At some points the
conversation is reconstructed from my notes but was done as soon
as I arrived home and I am certain that it is accurate. Having
just met this man I have no clue as to his motives or to the
accuracy of the information. However I do believe he was sincere
and the range of emotions he expressed would have been difficult
for even a very good professional actor.
(NOTE - A "dosemeter" is (or was when I was in service) a piece
of film in a small badge that is worn by personnel when working
in areas where they may be exposed to radiation. If the film is
hit by a dose of radiation it is exposed. The amount of film
exposure determines the exact dose of radiation.
When I was in
the Strategic Air Command I had to wear one because the alert
pad aircraft carried nuclear weapons. Our dosemeters were
checked weekly. If the dosemeter indicated that you had been
exposed to radiation then you had to go through a
decontamination procedure. During my time in service my
dosemeter never indicated any exposure to radiation. This
explanation is offered for those of you who may not have known
what a dosemeter is.)