George Hunt Williamson, an anthropologist of considerable
reputation, began reporting UFO contact in the early ’50s. He
published several books about his contactee experiences, none of
which were seriously given credence or consideration by his peers.
The books contain much that we still consider untrue: the UFOnauts
had told Williamson that the Sun was not a “hot, flaming body” but a
cool body, and that we had two moons, one a “dark” moon which was
unseen. He was told, moreover, that the moon we already know about
had an atmosphere and water. Obviously, none of these statements
But let us back up a bit and look at these statements again
considering not our third density alone but also those densities
which interpenetrate ours. Since most of the UFOnauts are in a
reality displaced from ours, it is quite possible that they are
experiencing these described conditions. In fact, if the Williamson
book, THE SAUCERS SPEAK!, is read keeping the physical and mental
variants of these displaced realities in mind, the material makes
quite a bit of sense.
In the SAUCERS SPEAK, Williamson quotes the UFO source as saying,
“To apples we salt, we return.” No explanation is given of it here,
but in a later work, OTHER TONGUES, OTHER FLESH, he interprets the
statement as a promise made to a certain type of individual on
Earth. It seems that throughout the history of Earth, people have
been born into our planetary vibration who are not Earth natives;
that is, they have not incarnated into the physical from Earth’s
spiritual densities, but from elsewhere. They are true
extraterrestrials in that their previous experience is of places
elsewhere in the universe; they are true Earth natives in that they
have gone through the process of birth, entering first the spiritual
realms of Earth and from there incarnating into our physical plane
just as any Earth entity would do. During the birth process, the
“apple” usually loses the memory of his extraterrestrial past. He is
truly of this planet as he enters its physical plane.
His purpose in coming to Earth is twofold. First, he hopes to
advance his own vibration or thinking by experiencing the strong
catalyst of our physical world. It is a sort of trial-by-fire
approach, the chance to advance more rapidly than is possible in
less dense vibrations. Secondly, he hopes that he will be able to
reawaken the dormant memory of why he came to Earth, and so be able
to carry out his mission of service to Earthmen by helping to
increase their awareness of universal reality.
It is not a foregone conclusion that the “apple” will remember who
he is and what his mission is, but most “apples” have at least a
strongly developed tendency towards meditation and contemplation, so
that gradually many are indeed able to recapture at least a portion
of that memory. Here is the portion of OTHER TONGUES which deals
There were several statements made in THE SAUCERS SPEAK that are
significant in connection with these “Wanderers” or “Apples.” “Seeds
may be planted but they can rot and never reach maturity.” This
means that the people of outer space knew what was going to develop
on Earth. They “planted” some of their own people here; “salted”
them away like “apples.” But every seed that is planted or “salted
away” does not grow and reach maturity; it may rot in the ground
because of many conditions. Therefore some of the “Wanderers” now on
Earth do not know who they are—they are lost in the ways of the
Earth, and on physical death will return to their own worlds. They
will be none the worse for their experience, except that their
mission will not be accomplished.
Space intelligences knew that a certain percentage of the “apples”
would fall by the way, therefore enough of them incarnated into
Earth bodies to make up for this inevitable deficiency.1
The source who channels through Nada-Yolanda says much the same
You have people who have come from other planets who know no such
thing as life on other planets, who even may not believe in life on
other planets. Yet, they are in your Earth’s atmosphere waiting,
living the life—normal, so-called average, everyday, prosaic lives,
according to you who are studying—and they still are receiving.
Their teachers are around them. Their high Selves know who they are
and what their destiny is. Not everyone will succeed. Many will go
through the life experience and never be aware, and waste or not
make gain. But they are neither to be judged nor condemned.2
The concept of there being entities from other worlds is an
intriguing one to many people who indeed have never felt at home on
this planet, living the Earth life. In general, “apples” are said to
be poorly suited to the third density vibration, and have problems
adjusting to the socio-economic web of our culture; indeed, often
they also have persistent health problems. But they do not appear
alien or extraordinary: they are just people:
… there are many people on Earth that don’t really belong here! This
doesn’t mean that they came here aboard a Flying Saucer,
disembarked, put on a tweed suit, polished up their English language
and moved into the house next door. It does mean, however, that
there is a special class or order of beings in the Universe that are
different from the rest because of the fact that they wander from
one world to another, and from one system to another.3
These people, however, tend to be set apart by their inherent bias
towards the kind of love and brotherhood-oriented message that the
Confederation is bringing. That is what it is hoped will happen to
the “apples”: that they will awaken and remember that they are here
to give light to Planet Earth.
From the early Williamson book, THE SAUCERS SPEAK:
Ponnar speaking. There are now many young people in your world who
understand our message. They will accept it quickly for they are of
the New Age. The Great Awakening is here. Many of our people are in
your world now. …4
And, from Nada-Yolanda:
We have contacted key units because they are teaching this new
understanding or Aquarian development now. That is why we come
through in this way. Why do we not come through to your government
heads or your very educated scientists; education, to your way of
thinking, of course? Because they could not change the temperature
of the mass consciousness, for they do not believe in thought
transference or thought control or thought power.
But your key units do, and that is why we contact them primarily;
secondarily, because they are us. Many of them have incarnated
purposely from our realms, dimensions, and other planets to do this
work, knowing how to do it.
We ask you to remember it. We ask you, and stimulate you through our
control and through our interest in you and through our mental
communication and spiritual education with you, to do this. That is
why we have concentrated for so many years—twenty-five years, to use
a loose segment of time—in teaching these New Age thoughts to those
already planted, so they could begin to regulate the thought
temperature of mass-consciousness. It takes time. Now is the time
for us to show ourselves and to make the project a physical
The extraterrestrial source known as Ishkomar adds its footnote on
By mutual agreement between a planetary dweller and an inhabitant of
our craft, the knowledge and the memory of one of us may be blended
with the planetary without the loss of the receiver’s identity. The
one from our group adds only his knowledge to the planetary dweller,
and the abandoned body is disseminated. This blending may not take
place without mutual agreement between the beings involved, and the
planetary dweller must fully agree and desire this blending. We
seek, therefore, not to take, but to give.
We, however, are not alone in our interests in your world. There is
in existence with us another group. Their interests are not
necessarily harmful toward you, yet their methods are in direct
opposition to ours. They also have interfered with the development
of your planet. They wish to reach their ends, not by cooperation,
but by control and domination …
You must reach a high level of mental development and knowledge to
be able to understand our purposes. We have attempted to gain your
cooperation for thousands of years. We have been vigorously opposed
by the other group. We must achieve our goal by guidance of your
kind, but we must desire guidance for us to be of assistance to
This source describes a type of “apple” which is no doubt very
heavily in the minority; there must be very few of these around. But
I do think they exist.
However, our main interest in this chapter is to explore the concept
of the “apple” developed by Williamson and others, for I do think
that there are very many of these “apples” among us today. As I
said, few if any serious researchers paid any real attention to
Williamson’s and others’ contactee information, since it seemed to
be unsupported in any way and quite unverifiable. It may be that
this situation has changed now, to some extent, for I have found
interesting evidence which supports this contactee information about
I started doing age regression hypnosis in 1955. The general
technique is to produce the deepest state of hypnosis possible in a
particular subject, and then suggest a retrograding of memory, back
through childhood, and then to birth. Most people are able under
hypnosis to remember and describe in exhaustive detail not only the
exact environment into which they were born but the details of the
delivery, sensation by sensation. The subconscious mind seems to
store memory independently of the normal functioning of conscious
The subject is now at the point of birth into this world, and the
suggestion is made that he go further back in time, and remember
what has occurred previous to this birth. Most subjects relate
several Earth lives as the guide patiently listens and asks
questions of the subject. Many, many people are true Earth children
in the spiritual sense, and in age regression you find their trail
as it leads through tinker, tailor, merchant, thief, etc. However,
every once in a while I have come across subjects who, when
regressed beyond birth, leave our Earth planes entirely. These
seeming “apples” that I have uncovered give information that
correlates substantially with Williamson’s “apple” data. I have
selected material from my files on three of these “apples” because
they independently claimed to have known each other as
extraterrestrials, and thus their testimony forms a fuller picture,
one story fitting into the next. I have edited out the parts of the
regressions having to do with this life.
I have deleted the names of the three subjects and substituted the
initials “A,” “B,” and “C” to indicate the identity of the speaker.
As you follow this story through, please remember that I am not
suggesting that all the “apples” come from this one place described
by these three subjects. “Apples” come from many places. Their
cultures and personal details vary widely. What they have in common
is their motive and mission here on Earth. I am including the
personal details concerning this one small group’s life in another
world, however, because it adds a depth to their fascinating story.
We start with the physical appearance of these people. They look
quite human and rather Nordic:
OK, YOUR OWN SKIN, YOUR OWN COLOR WOULD BE
DESCRIBED MOST CLEARLY AS WHAT?
Very light. Blonde.
They are … I keep seeing just one man there.
PICK THAT MAN OUT AND JUST CONCENTRATE ON HIM.
He is tall. There is much bright vibration coming from him. It’s
hard to explain appearances. He has long hair.
IS HIS HEAD COVERED
AT ALL? Just by vibration, by white … we see each other and he
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE EXCHANGE OF GLANCES
AND THAT SMILE?
I feel that he is somehow important to me, but right now, he’s …
just a good man. We are wearing robes. That is my impression, white
robes. Appearances don’t mean anything, but there’s vibration. But
has such a kind face, all full of light.
IS HIS FACE BEARDED, SHAVEN?
No, it’s … he has no hair on his face.
AND THE COLOR?
It is a golden color.
HIS HEIGHT WOULD BE ABOUT WHAT, IN TERMS OF FEET
About seven feet.
IN TERMS OF POUNDS, HIS WEIGHT WOULD BE ABOUT
He is so slender … very light.
YOU JUST PASS HIM, AND CONTINUE ON YOUR WAY.
One great difference between our Earth race and theirs seems to
be the aging factor: they count “time” in quite a different way.
YOU ARE ABOUT HOW OLD?
(Pause) It doesn’t mean anything.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN THERE?
My body’s size is not as tall as this one. But mine has been there
long time. Age is a hard thing … I cannot see age. I feel old. I
young. I feel wonderment at what I’ve seen.
VERY WELL. ARE THE OTHER PEOPLE OLDER OR
YOUNGER THAN YOU ARE?
They seem to be perhaps a little older. Once again, age here doesn’t
show. Well, it shows, but it’s not connected with numbers. It is
I feel very old and yet when I saw myself I was not old. Today we
simply have a different physical appearance.
LET’S GO BACK TO AGE
26 THEN. ONE, TWO, THREE, (snap). All right. I seem to be rather
old. THEN YOUR YEAR IS DIFFERENT FROM AN EARTH YEAR,
THEN, ISN’T IT?
Yeah, must be.
AND YOUR APPEARANCE? AND YOUR MATE’S
APPEARANCE? HOW WOULD YOU APPEAR TO BE?
Just the same. But old.
YOUR APPEARANCE DOES NOT CHANGE, BUT YOU JUST
PHYSICALLY DETERIORATE, THEN?
It’s a slowing down of energy, as much as anything.
The normal mode
of person-to-person communication seems to be
DO YOU COMMUNICATE VERBALLY, BY SOUND?
Not very much. No, most of it is mind-reading. Telepathy. There is
much use for words with the teachers.
YES. WHAT ABOUT COMMUNICATING WITH ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL. IS IT BY
VERBAL COMMUNICATION, BY VOICE FORM. DID YOU TALK OR LISTEN?
There was some of that, but mostly minds.
YOU HAD MOUTH AND VOICES AND EARS? SO YOU
COULD COMMUNICATE IF YOU WANTED TO?
Yes, but much was done with mind. The … the importance was done with
These otherworlders seem to enjoy considerably more freedom than we
as regards the boundaries of consciousness. They have the ability to
move out of the physical body in consciousness, very much at will.
There are many on Earth who have had such experiences, but it is not
common here; it seems to be common there. One “apple” mentioned by
George Hunt Williamson, Nikola Tesla, certainly used the other
dimensions while he was here. He is reported to have been able to
visualize his inventions in precise detail.
He would say to someone,
“Here is my experiment. Can’t you see it? I’ve been running it for
three days. Tomorrow I’ll disassemble it and inspect it for wear.”
The observer could see nothing. Yet with these invisible
experiments, Tesla made significant advances in science, and is the
father of alternating current theory and application. Tesla was
using the power of his mind to create devices on the finer planes of
existence. “C” talks about these planes:
Well, in the body, there is a great difference in the potential
there. It is known to be greater, so that there are many more
different kinds of people there than here.
AM I TO TAKE IT THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
LEAVING YOUR BODY?
Not exactly. It is an extension with oneness with the body yet the
dimension extra other than you can work in and affect you here, and
it is real, and it is a lot of fun. It is not a leaving of the body,
it is not a dissociation from the body; it is an extension of
intelligence, not through the body but the other way around. First
the dimension which means you can move in and out of the body into
the extensions of the body into different dimensions, then by these
it is much more easy to be helpful. It is difficult to be of use
when kept within the body,
without the other dimensions. Yet there were dimensions there that
could not enter although we knew of them.
To these “apples” on their
home planet, death does not seem to pose the threat it tends to on
Earth. Life and death seem to be perceived with some clarity as one
ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE YOU ARE GOING TO LEAVE THE LIFE
YOU WILL NOT APPROACH THE AGE OF THIRTY?
IS IT A TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE?
Not at all.
ALL RIGHT. WILL YOU GO TO THAT POINT?
My heart stopped. That’s all.
IS YOUR MATE WITH YOU?
He was, yes.
HE WAS? AND WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM?
I don’t know.
HE’S STILL ALIVE?
He stayed by where I was for a while.
AFTER LIFE HAD LEFT THE BODY, IS THERE A SOUL AS WE
KNOW A SOUL AND WHAT HAPPENS TO IT?
Yes. I stayed there for quite some time.
WHICH WOULD MEAN FOR A FEW DAYS, OR A FEW
WEEKS, OR … ?
I waited for my mate. He taught for some months.
YES. IS HE AWARE OF YOUR PRESENCE?
YOU LEAVE THAT PLANET? WHEN YOU LEAVE WILL YOU DIE A DEATH, OR WILL
YOU JUST TRANSFER OR MOVE ON? HOW WILL IT WORK OUT?
It has to do with the ship, but … I will have to leave here, but I
don’t understand about the death. When it … I just know … I believe
the leaving takes place without the body, but it has to do with a
ship. But there will … there is a body, but it is not the same as a
tangible one. That one is … I believe … it is unnecessary for the
THEN HOW DOES THE SEPARATION TAKE PLACE? WILL YOU GO UP TO THAT
POINT, AND TELL ME STEP BY STEP? HOW DOES THE SOUL GET INTO THE SHIP
AND LEAVE THE BODY? IF THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS.
I’m … ss … I’m on a … I look … looking, over the temple can see it …
The time … somehow the leaving is connected with that. With the ship
… I see them …
HEROTA, WILL YOU GO ON UP TO THE DEPARTURE, AND
DESCRIBE IT VERY CAREFULLY FOR ME.
I am old. Old …
HOW DOES IT TAKE PLACE? HOW DO YOU GET THERE, HOW DO YOU GET INTO
THE SHIP, DOES THIS TAKE PLACE—
It seems … it seems that the old beloved shell is no longer needed
and, as we go in the ship, we become new. We become new and young,
but not with physical bodies at this time, but new and young. (sigh)
Spirit bodies like—bodies, but not the same. But the sadness of
leaving disappears with the old shell that was much loved. And we’re
new and ready. (sigh).
So we begin to get a picture of the tall, fair race of people that
live a many-dimensioned life, whose basic consciousnesses dwell less
on the things of the body and more on the things of the finer planes
than perhaps do ours on Earth. What sort of environment do these
“apples” enjoy? First, it is definitely stated that the planet is
DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE? ARE YOU ON MOTHER
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE YOU ARE?
UNITED STATES, OR EUROPE?
No, no, it’s no place that I’ve seen on Earth. I don’t think it’s
Earth. It’s no place that I’ve seen here. But I don’t know.
the planet is not Earth, it seems to be quite Earthlike:
OK. IS THERE AN ATMOSPHERE?
DOES THE PLANET HAVE AN ATMOSPHERE? IS IT SOLID,
LIKE THIS ONE?
The Planet’s a lot like this one.
No, not quite. Slightly easier to get around. But very similar. Very
WHAT IS IT LIKE?
Nice. Much water, little land, great riches in the ocean, great
Ah, that’s it. That’s why they’re all metal.
“They” refers to the
buildings the subject had just talked about.
DO YOU HAVE LAKES, RIVERS, STREAMS, OCEANS?
There is water.
OK. DO YOU HAVE FISH?
I don’t know. There is much water.
Their planet, call it Otherworld,
has the same day-night that we do,
suggesting that they also revolve.
DO YOU GET TIRED, AND REST AND SLEEP?
IS THERE ALWAYS DARKNESS, OR IS THERE LIGHT AND
Light and then dark.
THERE IS DAY AND THEN NIGHT.
NOW, YOU MENTIONED, HEROT, THAT IT WAS
DAYLIGHT, AND THE SUN WAS SHINING. IS IT ALSO
There is. I don’t see that there is night now but I know that there
There seem to be cities and country, though apparently not like
our rural areas:
ALL RIGHT. NOW, WHERE DO YOU LIVE? WHERE IS ALL
THIS TAKING PLACE?
This place is removed from a city, but it’s perfect. It’s not like
country, it’s perfect. It’s harmonious.
Not in the city. Like the country, but … there’s a sidewalk that
from down the hill up the hill. I’m up the hill. There’s … almost a
circle where I am. And then down the hill again.
HOW MANY ENTITIES WERE ON THAT PLANET?
I don’t know.
I don’t know. I have impressions that there were cities. This was
part of it, exactly.
MILLIONS? Many, but I … I don’t really see the rest. I see our part,
Here is some description of the cities on Otherworld: streets,
DO YOU HAVE A HOME?
It seems like I am just walking
down the street, down this long …
OK, TELL ME ABOUT THE STREETS. AND
PEOPLE, AND THE TRANSPORTATION.
I don’t see any transportation. People are out on the streets. I am
walking, and there are children. I play. They all wave. A very happy
It seems like what I saw was a lot of metal, like metal buildings,
something like that.
GO AHEAD WITH IT.
OK. It seems that I am a young boy or girl of apparently another
GO AHEAD WITH IT.
And the world has metal buildings.
NOW AS BEST YOU CAN, TELL ME ABOUT THESE
BUILDINGS … WINDOWS, ROOFS, WALLS, LIGHTS—
They’ve got glass tops—domes—just smooth. I can’t see them here,
windows or anything like that. There seem to be roads—wide roads
that wind around through the domes. On the right there’s some tall
structure, I can’t … I don’t understand—at least that’s where the
that are going up in the air are coming from.
AS WELL AS YOU CAN, DESCRIBE THE TALLER STRUCTURE.
Well, it seems circular on the very top, but it’s much taller than
of the city. It’s like a long diamond shape except that it goes in
in the middle instead of out. It’s circular at the bottom and at the
IN OTHER WORDS, IT’S LIKE A BIG HOUR GLASS?
OK. NOW THE FORMS GOING UP IN THE AIR. ARE THEY
COMING FROM THE TOP OF THIS STRUCTURE?
I don’t know. At first I saw something go up, maybe two things go
now I don’t see them.
THINGS? LIKE WHAT?
SOLID OBJECTS? BALLOONS?
No, solid objects, round …
Most probably. It’s too hard to say.
WAS THERE ANY SOUND INVOLVED?
OK. BUT THERE WAS A LIGHT THAT WAS IN THIS?
Here is further information on the craft which seemed to be
coming out of the tall structure:
WHAT ABOUT TRAVEL? DO YOU HAVE VEHICLES?
Hm … somehow … from the …
HOW DO YOU TRAVEL FROM ONE CITY TO ANOTHER? ON
THE GROUND, OR UP OFF THE GROUND?
I saw, from the top of this, I can’t tell if it’s the temple, I
think … I, no,
I can’t tell if it’s the temple, but its a rounded building from the
which metallic, round vehicles come and go. I just see the glimmer
OK, DESCRIBE THOSE VEHICLES. DO THEY HAVE WINGS,
No, no, no. They … (pause).
HOW DO THEY LIFT UP AND SUPPORT THEMSELVES? AND
HOW DO THEY GO?
It has to do again with these things. …invisible conce …
THE ELECTROMAGNETIC WIRES.
It’s invisible, but it has to do with that.
Um, but it’s … they’re metallic. I can only see them from a
HAVE YOU BEEN IN THEM?
At this moment I am looking from a distance. As … There seems to be
THERE SEEMS TO BE WHAT?
The way of seeing out comes from the side.
There is a … a … as in a brim of a hat, all around, sloping slightly
upward to the windows around, and then a slightly sloped top, but
mostly these that I see are, not flat but more round, more flat than
elevated. They’re round, with the lip of the hat going slightly
upward, and windows around at that point where it meets. The top
with nothing on, the top is smooth, and silver, blank. It has almost
a white light in the starlight. There are more than one, they, they
are to be used.
The craft sound suspiciously like what we would call
flying saucers—a very
painstaking description from a subject who had not previously pored
pictures of such vehicles.
“B” also tells us about what communications are like on Otherworld:
WHAT ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS FROM ONE CITY TO
ANOTHER? DID YOU COMMUNICATE?
Invisible wires. Wires—that comes to mind. They were wires but they
were not visible.
DID YOU COMMUNICATE WITH …
YES, GO AHEAD.
Ah … not … magnetic … I don’t know the concept, I know, I can’t— it
was through hidden wires, wires hidden, they were not visible. Um,
but they had to do with … something magnetic—Electromagne … ?
I don’t know what, but they were ours, the communication of the
power from the temple, and any communication needed came from those.
Came from this. But it was like invisible lines going out that had,
that had power.
Although each subject was questioned to some extent about the
political and governmental setup of their country or planet, no
information was forthcoming from these people, who in their
Otherworld life must have been quite uninvolved in politics, either
because of their place within their society allowing them freedom
from the day-to-day politics of the culture, or because their
culture was not a politically structured one. It seems possible that
people who have mastered the extraphysical dimensions described
earlier, and who are telepathic, might well be able to function as a
society without the ponderous bureaucracy and decision-making
machinery of our political systems.
The Otherworlders had a good deal of trouble trying to express where
their planet was in relation to Earth:
CAN YOU GIVE ME ANY IDEA OF WHICH PLANET WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?
ALL RIGHT. NOW, IN TERMS OF EARTH TIME, ARE YOU AWARE OF OTHER
PLANETS IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM OTHER THAN YOUR OWN?
ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU AWARE OF PLANET EARTH?
ALL RIGHT. WHICH PLANETS ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH? DO YOU KNOW ANY OF
THEM BY NAME, OR DO YOU CALL THEM NAMES?
I don’t know.
ARE YOU OF THE SAME SOLAR SYSTEM AS THE EARTH? DO YOU HAVE THE SAME
A DIFFERENT SUN?
A DIFFERENT UNIVERSE, THEN?
Same universe, different time. Different dimension.
ALL RIGHT. SAME UNIVERSE, BUT IN A DIFFERENT
DIMENSION OF THAT SAME UNIVERSE?
Yes, that’s right.
ALL RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND. IN TERMS OF TIME, HOW
WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THAT AS RELATED TO EARTH
TIME OR UNIVERSAL TIME.
Time. I see more … I see time easily. I am not as able to move
yet I can … time is more like water. It is more easily penetrated.
SO YOU DO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF TIME, AND A
WAY TO DEAL WITH IT, THEN?
NOW, THE FACT THAT YOU ARE TEN YEARS OF AGE.
WOULD THOSE TEN YEARS RELATE TO TEN YEARS OF
It is of the body.
There is more room in time. We can move about and live and be in
HOW FAR IS EARTH FROM WHERE YOU ARE, IN ANY
TERMS OF MEASUREMENT THAT YOU USE?
There is no measurement. It is just there.
IT’S A DIFFERENT DIMENSION? CAN YOU SEE THE EARTH
FROM THAT PLACE?
One last note about the Otherworld environment: their relationship
with the animals:
FISH? BIRDS? ANIMALS?
They are there, but they … They are there, but
they are there as a guest when they are there. They are not always
there but they will come and visit.
BUT YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL KINGDOM THERE?
They are there, but I don’t see them now. But they are there and
are our friends.
FROM YOUR MEMORY ARE THEY SIMILAR TO EARTH
I … I don’t see them. But there are animals there, that are …
CAN YOU COMMUNICATE WITH THEM?
On this slightly whimsical note we turn to the question of what the
family life is like on Otherworld. The three subjects report a kind
of extended family setting which is often attempted these days by
NOW YOUR STRUCTURE, FAMILY. DO YOU HAVE
It’s not like we understand here.
OK. AS BEST YOU CAN, TELL ME THE STRUCTURE.
We’re born like here. We’re all of the same kind, but our people
attachments to those of natures which are harmonious not in a single
but more in a community … very close, like a clan. We make no
difference. I have many, say, seven or eight parents.
YOU DON’T KNOW WHICH ARE YOUR REAL PARENTS?
YOU DO KNOW.
BUT YOU HAVE SEVEN OR EIGHT PARENTS?
NOW, DO YOU ACCEPT THESE AS BEING REAL PARENTS
OR ADOPTED PARENTS?
They are parents.
NOW YOU WERE BORN TO ALL OF THEM?
We know who planted the seed, but the bonds between the community
are completely more real than the body. Each of my parents would do
anything for me. Each of my brothers and sisters make no difference
about the body. We are all of a home.
NOW, YOU WERE BORN FROM ONE MOTHER.
BUT MANY FATHERS?
No. Mated. There are mated relationships in privacy. And also each
ARE YOU IN RELATION TO EACH OF THOSE?
What you say, “blood”—with only my Father and my Mother of the
body. But I am of a family bond within the clan.
ALL RIGHT. HEROT, LET’S GO ON, NOW. LET’S MOVE UP
LATER THAT DAY, OR ANY DAY, TO THE EVENING. ONE,
TWO, THREE, (snap).
I see a smaller dwelling that’s round, of the same material, that is
somewhere near the temple. I think there are other of these houses
We gather … I believe this is where we eat. There are shining floors
WE? YOUR FAMILY?
Not in a tight sense. It’s … a purpose. Family of
purpose. But I believe actual parents are there.
We go on now to
take a look at “B”s evening meal:
YOUR MEALS WOULD CONSIST OF WHAT?
No animals, no animals we’re
eating. It’s like a broth, but it’s not of
animals. It’s a gold … white dishes. Dishes not like dishes. Warm …
anyway, there are no animals in it. It’s not harming anything. And
things we eat out of, they’re … these bowls. It’s almost like a
they’re like with ornate things around them, I mean, ornate, the
material, they’re not like bowls, here.
COULD YOU DRAW A PICTURE OF ONE IF I GAVE YOU A
PIECE OF PAPER?
They’re like on a stand, with things coming down and holding them
onto the table, and they’re white, almost like marble, but not as
It’s like a ceremonial bowl. And all of us, there’s a large one in
center from which we all eat. Someone serves us.
THE BROTH IS MADE OF GRAIN AND VEGETABLES?
I don’t know. It’s thick almost like …
But it has nothing granular in it, you can see it’s smooth and
UM HUM. SOMETHING LIKE CREAMED POTATOES OR
PUMPKIN? THAT TEXTURE, THAT DENSITY?
BUT YOU DON’T EAT FISH.
“A” and “C” also talk about food:
THE CROPS OF YOUR PEOPLE ARE?
the body, the crops are grain, and a type of root, like the potato,
other—many other—things familiar to those who are like us
TELL ME ABOUT THE FOOD. WHAT FOOD DO YOU EAT?
It seems that … that you can think it, (Words inaudible) … teachers
… Everything seems to be a lot by thought. I can’t see people
growing food, or making clothes—
Everything is just there, if you want it there.
DO YOU WORK, EAT, AND SLEEP LIKE HUMAN PEOPLE DO?
I am being trained not to do so much of that. Other people do more.
The clothing which these three wear is very simple and monklike:
I’m just waiting by the temple for something.
VERY GOOD. LET’S JUST WAIT THERE. WHAT ARE YOU
White robe. White, loose garment.
ALL RIGHT. WILL YOU TELL ME ABOUT YOUR MANNER OF
DRESS AND CLOTHING?
It is like … with robes.
OK, THOSE ROBES ARE MADE OF WHAT?
DOES THE MATERIAL COME FROM THAT PLANET?
Presumably the Otherworlders have other garments which they can
use when they need to be more active than they are in this temple
life. One of the subjects has mentioned to me, not while in hypnosis
but afterwards, that she had seen herself in a sort of jump-suit or
ski-suit, comfortable and form-fitting, while she was on duty
working off the planet.
Earlier I mentioned that I could not find a political consciousness
within these three people. However, they do seem to have a
government, but one which is dedicated totally to service, rather
than to the running of a governmental self-perpetuation machine:
I am of a certain clan of persons that takes a special training to
serve in government. We are like monks, and give all our energies to
helping society. We start very young. I’m ten. In this particular
case, “C” had been born into the government-service clan.
But she was not required to remain within that “caste.” C I am
studying to be helpful.
VERY WELL. IS IT FORMAL STUDY, ORGANIZED
STUDY? Yes. My clan asks each to decide. Each of us who do not
desire this life may
join another clan. This is done at the age of 8.
YOU HAVE ELECTED TO
STAY WITH THIS CLAN, THEN?
I am very happy with this clan.
The clan trains its youngsters in a place which these subjects
describe as a temple. “B,” who seems to have spent more of her life
within the temple atmosphere than the other two, has a great deal to
say about it:
It’s like a … a white building there, big building. I’m outside.
beautiful outside. There are steps going into the building. It’s
looking, and … it’s not a square building, it’s more rounded.
THE MATERIAL IS WHAT?
On this building it seems like a kind of stone, but not stone. It
all is one
piece. It’s not pieces, it’s all one piece.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE ENTIRE BUILDING IS JUST
ONE PIECE, OR IS IT LIKE WINGS STACKED ONE ON TOP
OF THE OTHERS?
It’s a rounded building, but there is a … some kind of design … a
glyph or something on the front, the same materials that this is
of, but it stands out. It’s … like a temple. I don’t see any …
(Turning tape over, loses continuity. Pick up on side two of three
… a leaf on the outside of the door … that uses flowing things and
in relief above the door, but it’s not words.
OK. IS THIS A SYMBOL OF SOME KIND?
WHAT ARE YOU DOING NOW? LOOK BACK OVER THE
PAST YEAR, AND SEE WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON.
I can’t see. Initiate comes to mind. Initiate. I have been one. Am
CAN YOU GO BACK TO IT? LET’S GO BACK TO YOUR INITIATION,
THEN, ALL RIGHT? ONE, TWO, THREE, (snap.)
Inside, inside. Candles round inside. Beautiful dark, candlelight,
and golden light at the top. Altar, there’s an altar, and a … Robes.
There are other people besides me … in the same robes, and there are
at the altar teachers, teachers, priests, teachers. And there is
music as though from voices, but it’s not … there are no people
making it. The music is there but I don’t see what causes it. That
is all I see.
DOING FINE. TELL ME ABOUT YOUR INITIATION. WHAT
WAS IT? YOU BECAME A WHAT AFTER YOUR INITIATION?
YOU BECAME A SERVANT? TO WHOM OR TO WHAT?
A servant of God, I don’t know how, what to …
ARE YOU ON THE ORDER OF A PRIESTESS?
No, not yet.
OK, HEROT, LET’S MOVE ON. LET’S MOVE UP ONE TENTH
OF YOUR LIFE TIME. ONE, TWO, THREE, (snap).
I just saw that I was older and carrying a cup at this point.
THE SAME CUP?
A cup. A different one.
NOW, ARE YOU STILL IN THE TEMPLE? ARE YOU STILL A
I help with it now.
OK, YOU’VE MOVED UP SOME, THEN.
There’s so much still to learn. I know very little. But I’m helping
That’s what the challenge has to do with.
AS A GENERAL THING, WHAT DO YOU TEACH? RELIGIOUS
THINGS PERTAINING TO SPIRITUAL DEVELOPMENT, OR
DO YOU TEACH OTHER THINGS ALONG WITH IT?
Of the spirit.
LET’S MOVE UP TO HALFWAY, THROUGH THAT LIFE. ONE,
TWO, THREE, (snap). NOW LOOK BACK WHERE WE’VE
PASSED. WHAT ARE YOU DOING NOW.
Earlier, it had to do with the temple, sending out love and energy.
We didn’t actually depart physically, I don’t, I can’t see, later
yet, but earlier, I do see that earlier the temple was used for
service but it had to do a lot with things that weren’t accomplished
physically. It sent out help through thought and ceremony and … I
think ritual, but it was very, it was all with love, it was as a
DID THESE THOUGHTS ORIGINATE FROM THE TEMPLE
ITSELF OR FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN IT?
All together. Left all together.
DID THE TEMPLE SERVE SOMEWHAT AS A PYRAMID?
It was not a pyramid.
YES, BUT ON THE SAME ORDER?
It was a holy, holy place, and it sent … it was a center for
sending—strength, love, for … energy, energy sending, energy.
WHERE DID THEY SEND ALL THIS ENERGY TO? THROUGH
THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE? OR JUST TO THAT PLANET?
It was not limited to that planet, but it encompassed that planet.
it was a protection … and more … more. It protected, and it healed,
and sent out also where needed, but it was …
Here is the temple through the eyes of “A” and “C”:
WHERE DO YOU GO,
AFTER THAT POINT?
I went to a place. I don’t know where it was, but it was very
TELL ME EVERY IMPRESSION OF IT.
I wrote about it once. It is a temple. We walked across the most
beautiful grass. Beautiful trees. Beautiful place. We went into the
temple, a great big white marble … and no one was there, but we
could hear very clearly, and we rested there until we were ready to
find out what we were to do next. And we went to a temple.
WILL YOU MOVE ON NOW TO YOUR TEACHER, YOUR DESTINATION.
I seem to enter a beautiful house, a temple, like, with columns.
AS YOU APPROACH THE TEMPLE, WILL YOU GIVE AN OVER-ALL VIEW OF IT,
AND THEN MOVE ON UP, AND DESCRIBE THE ENTIRE ENTRANCE THAT YOU ARE
There are two columns, one on each side. Three or four steps. It
glitters smooth. It is round, with a dome-like top. There is … it is
hard to explain … there is, it is like music but it is not
note-music, it is like air-music, dancing in sparkles. Everything is
transformed to glitter.
TELL ME ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING. DO THE SIDE WALLS
HAVE JOINTS IN THEM, OR DO THEY ALL HAVE ONE PIECE, OR …
The walls are all one piece. They are about ten feet high and then
the dome starts. The walls are smooth … a dull, goldish color.
GIVE ME SOME ESTIMATE OF THE DIAMETER OF IT. HOW FAR IS IT ACROSS?
IS IT A LARGE BUILDING?
On the outside it is not large, but on the inside it is. I am trying
to remember why it is large on the inside but not on the outside …
ON THE OUTSIDE YOU HAVE THE IMPRESSION OF PERHAPS A HUNDRED FEET IN
Less. Well, that is about right. I am entering through the door.
There is a cushion in the middle of the floor. It is dark outside.
But not real dark, just shadowy dark.
A theme that is often sounded in these regressions is that of a
certain and unique light which is encountered in the temple and
about its teachers:
WAS THERE SOMEONE THERE TO ASSIST YOU, TO BE A GUIDE FOR YOU?
It was there, but not in the body. It was … in the wind, sort of.
VISIBLE TO YOU?
No. Just light. Beautiful. It is really beautiful. You can see
little wind that was speaking and it was with little flecks like …
little beams of light.
I kneel on the cushion. There is nothing else there but the air
making music and I pray. And a light comes down.
It is at first very heavy gold bright light, a waterfall of light.
It falls on top of me and is running like a river down on the floor,
and it glows the whole room. I come here before I go see the
DO YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL SENSATION OF TOUCH OR FEEL?
Total warmth. Total oneness with the light. It is a dissolving of my
whole body. I am washed out in the ocean. It is … it is union.
The teachers who are spoken of by these Otherworlders seem to be a
beautiful lot, much appreciated by their students. The job is filled
by the members of the clan who have reached the age of what would
presumably be retirement here on Earth.
But on Otherworld, they
begin a new career, passing on what they have learned to the younger
There is a teacher that is wonderful.
GO AHEAD WITH YOUR DAILY WORK WITH HIM. HOW DOES HE INSTRUCT YOU?
He’s just blessing us all. He has much love, much love. It all …
there’s … oh, golden, golden, golden light, there. (Sighs).
BEAUTIFUL, ISN’T IT? IS IT WARM, COLD?
There is no cold or warm there. It is blessed.
THEN YOU MOVE ON TO YOUR TEACHERS? OR TO YOUR TEACHER, I SHOULD SAY.
WILL YOU DESCRIBE AS YOU APPROACH YOUR TEACHER?
I am walking back out of the temple. The man is waiting for me.
THE SAME MAN YOU PASSED EARLIER?
IS HE YOUR TEACHER?
He is not my old teachers. But we are both going there, to my
teachers. He is … he has been waiting for me for the light to have
come unto me.
THE TWO OF YOU ARE GOING ON, NOW, TO YOUR TEACHER.
Yes. We seem to … there is grass. We seem to go up to a cave, like
the cave before. It overlooks the city.
YOUR TEACHER IS IN THE CAVE?
No. The back wall seems to open and we go through it, and there are
the three teachers sitting in a semicircle, waiting for us.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE THEM? THEIR POSITION?
They are sitting down, cross-legged. They have white robes on, and
their light illuminates the whole cave. They have long, white hair,
and their eyes … their eyes just … twinkle. They have such power in
those eyes. Such power and light in those eyes. We sit down facing
them and we meditate. They are … something is coming from their
heads to mine. It is … it is knowledge. I am … I know all of this,
and yet I will never … I won’t remember it for a long time. They
have explained this to me, and we agreed. I am … I am like a seed. I
have been … The word is being confused. I have been nurtured by
them. I have … been chosen to carry their information. We will be
used, they say, in time.
On the outside I am like a child. On the
inside I am old and wise, and I see and understand everything that
they see and understand … I will not be able to speak for some time
through this child. It is a strange combination. For now, all the
teachers are feeding me. The child knows what’s going on, but she
will forget. But the old person inside will … will be there always,
with the information and the knowledge. I feel … they do this all in
love, love that is total understanding, total understanding of all
that there is, and yet, I feel here a confusion because I am their
seed. I am theirs.
ALL RIGHT. YOU ARE OBTAINING THE INFORMATION.
HOW WILL THE INFORMATION THEN BE RELEASED? AND WHEN WILL IT BE
Very little at a time at first. Just enough to keep the child when
she goes away secure and shielded from harmful environment. She will
be sent away with other peoples to Earth. But that is some time from
now. The child must go through a great deal of training first. When
she is on Earth bit by bit will come … but she will hide it from
others. I do not see right now where, or even if all the knowledge
will come out. She is most careful.
OK. CAN YOU MOVE ON FORWARD, NOW, MONTH BY MONTH. YEAR BY YEAR,
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO MOVE. TELL ME WHAT’S GOING ON IN THE LATTER
I’m teaching. I’m working with the younger clan. My mate goes out
one more time than I do.
HE IS STRONGER?
Yes, and somewhat younger.
SO HE MAKES ONE MORE OFF THE PLANET JOB, THEN?
HOW LONG IS HE GONE?
IS EVERYTHING ALL RIGHT WHEN HE COMES BACK?
He is beginning to be tired then, and joins the younger ones to
YES. HE AND YOU TEACH THEM, IN GENERAL, WHAT?
Many things. I personally work with the younger members to try to
help them with their personal understanding of themselves. That is
my most primary interest. Others would be teaching other techniques
and disciplines of the personality. This is the way of harnessing
That last statement strikes me as being quite central: “…
disciplines of the personality (are) the way of harnessing the
dimensions.” This point is emphasized by the UFO contacts again and
After the Otherworld children finish their “schoolwork” with their
teachers in the temple, they are eligible to enter the active
“A” spends nearly all of her time under hypnosis concentrating on
the period when she, as an older person, was at the temple and then
preparing to voyage forth to Earth after her “death” on that planet.
So we can get no information about the service from her. “B” spends
much of her time speaking of her work within the temple itself, and
indeed she seems to have been more closely aligned with its
functioning throughout her life than the other two subjects,
remaining more cloistered. She does give a hint of her involvement
with off-the-planet service:
I BELIEVE YOU ARE VERY HAPPY. YOU ARE A VERY HAPPY ENTITY. YOU ENJOY
THAT LIFE, DON’T YOU? HAVE YOU TRAVELED WITH THOSE SHIPS, EVER?
I feel at one with them. I don’t know if … There is something … It’s
part of our purpose there … to use … to do this …
The subject known as “C” is the richest source of information about
off-the-planet service by the clan. Their basic function is
described well by Yolanda:
… not only did many incarnate on Earth so as to be part of the
people and to lead them back gradually but also there were continual
visits by those who came in their spacecraft, and otherwise.7
“C” tells of taking missions first on her own planet, and after
passing this test, on other planets:
LET’S MOVE UP TO AGE FIFTEEN, THEN. ONE, TWO, THREE, (snap). NOW
YOU’RE FIFTEEN. OLDER, WISER.
LOOKING BACK OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WHAT’S HAPPENED?
I had a darn good time.
A GOOD TIME WOULD MEAN WHAT?
Learned a whole lot. Started working with small amounts of
responsibility, helping. First we have dealings with those of our
own planet who are not as fortunate and do not have the ability to
penetrate time and must dwell in the body. And we help them to find
their way, without disturbing them. And that is very satisfying to
see an actual success.
My first case was a tribe. The tribe was having a difficulty with a
kind of predator which was eating their crops. And myself and two
others found a way to enable the tribesmen to protect their crops.
We fixed a more attractive prey by planting in wild land a crop
which was more desirable to the catlike creatures. Therefore, the
tribesmen had pride and protected their land, and we did not
interfere. We found this a lot of fun, too.
THIS IS ON YOUR PLANET.
This is on my planet.
NOW, YOU’RE WORKING ON A DIFFERENT PLANET, AND THEY HAVE BEEN ALL
BUT ANNIHILATED, I BELIEVE, BY SOME NATURAL CATASTROPHE.
NOW HOW ARE YOU COMING ALONG WITH THAT?
OK. It’ll improve in time. See, if you want to just come along and
them, that’s fine, but then they’ll never think it out for
SO YOU HAVE TO DO GUIDE WORK FOR THEM?
That’s right. Just put it where they can find it and—in the body,
us have—so it will happen. It just takes time.
HAVE YOU DETERMINED THE CAUSE OF THE DISASTER?
Yes. That was easy. There was a … the plates of the planet went
together abruptly and there was fire and then flood. Most of the
people on the planet were living in the place where this whole area
was inundated, and that’s what put out the fire. Very few survived.
And those that did survive were in isolated areas. It seemed that
almost the whole civilization was …
THE PLATES WERE WHAT?
The planet, the surface, the earth, the rock …
AND THEY WENT TOGETHER?
They were together, and they crushed each other. They were side by
side and there was heat within and it came out, and there was a
shift, and one plate lapped over the other, a great—really two
continents, you see, totally jammed up into each other. And it was
like an eruption, and it was terrible. There was a great deal of
WHAT WAS THE REAL CAUSE OF THIS CATASTROPHE?
Oh. Well, I don’t know.
WAS IT TOTALLY AN ACT OF NATURE?
The plates had always been unstable here. I do not know of the
philosophy, why it happened; that it happened in such a way was
because they were unstable in just that way.
THE PLATES DID PROVIDE STABILITY? DID THEY PROVIDE ANY FORM OF
This was the earth upon which the continents were … they were part
of that planet’s surface.
OK, VERY WELL. YOU’RE WELL ON YOUR WAY WITH RECONSTRUCTION NOW.
YOU’VE GOT THEM READY TO HELP THEMSELVES?
YOU’RE STILL WORKING WITH THEM?
What we’re doing mostly for them is just sending them comfort.
They—we are still searching for records. Trying to find the records.
We are going to have to bring them up from somewhere. We do not want
to substitute records. There are surely some records left that were
not either burned completely or destroyed by water.
WHAT TYPE OF RECORDS, AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE?
Any type of records that will give them back their language, their
history, their culture.
OK. HOW DO THESE PEOPLE COMPARE TO YOUR OWN DESCRIPTION?
They are short, dark, very squat. They look like, well, they look
like the cave people that they are, really, they’re pretty messy
HOW ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP AND DEALING WITH THEM?
They do not know we are here. They suspect that there is something
odd happening, but they do not know that we are here.
OK. HOW LONG DO YOU STAY THERE, IN TERMS OF MONTHS OR YEARS OF YOUR
In the body, we stay a year. In the dimensions, we stay much longer.
But we stay only a year, in the body.
OK. WHEN YOU FINISH THIS JOB, YOU ARE GOING BACK TO YOUR HOME
Yes. To rest.
OK, LET’S GO BACK. YOU’RE FINISHED. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TELL ME
ABOUT FINISHING UP, OR THE TRIP BACK, OR THE RETURN?
Well, of course, when I finished, they weren’t finished.
“C” goes on in her narrative to tell of her teaching the younger
clan in her old age, and then of her death. We’ve read both of these
portions earlier in the chapter. After “death” in the physical
sense, “C” says she waits in another dimension for over a year,
until her mate joins her. Why does she wait? All three Otherworlders
begin a new part of the narrative at this point: they tell of their
preparation for service on Earth as “apples.” OAHSPE talks about
these apples a lot, and even mentions the arrival of some from
Hautuon, a planet whose name is remarkably like the chief contact of
several contactees, Hatonn:
Presently could be seen guardian ships, thousands and thousands,
traveling beside the laboring sun, the hosts of Hautuon.
And the guardian ships were themselves like stars, and carried
millions of etherean souls who had been Gods and Goddesses on many
worlds; and they formed wings for the Hautuon avalanche, to hold
steady the course to the red star, the earth of mortals.8
Note that within the ships are “etherean beings.” Our people report
that as they enter the ship that brings them here, they leave their
physical body behind and have instead a new, lighter-density
body. What is the ship like, and why do they need it?
OK. WILL YOU
DESCRIBE THE CRAFT ON THE OUTSIDE,
AND THEN DESCRIBE IT AS YOU ARE GETTING INSIDE OF
It is sitting on its bottom. There are no legs. There’s a door, that
a ramp. It has an edge around the middle.
IS IT ROUND?
OK. IS IT THICKER IN THE MIDDLE THAN IT IS AROUND
It is thick in the middle.
THE CRAFT APPEARS TO BE MADE OF WHAT, NOW?
I feel as if it’s a kind of metal.
SHINY, LIKE STAINLESS STEEL, OR ALUMINUM, OR
COPPER, OR ZINC, OR WHAT?
Mmmmh … flat. Not shiny.
ALL RIGHT. IS THERE AN ANTENNA UP THE SIDE OF IT?
CHECK FOR ANYTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT THE EXTERIOR? No. ALL RIGHT. WILL
YOU GO ON UP THE RAMP. AS YOU GO
INSIDE, BEGIN DESCRIBING THE INTERIOR FOR ME.
It is round inside. I sit—there are seats around the windows. There
lights but I do not … I am getting confused.
BEFORE YOU CAME INSIDE, WERE THERE ANY OTHER PEOPLE AROUND, GROUND
CREW OR SERVICE PERSONNEL?
FEEL ANY PEOPLE, OR ANYBODY ELSE.
ALL RIGHT. YOU’RE INSIDE. THERE ARE SEATS INSIDE OF
IT, AND LIGHTS. BUT IS THERE A CONTROL PANEL IN IT, A
COCKPIT. HOW DO YOU CONTROL THE SHIP?
My impression is that there is no power—it is the minds that—I don’t
know if it’s like just all our joint minds, or the teacher’s joint
but just minds.
OK, THE SHIP’S CONTROLLED BY THOUGHT FORMS,
THEN; THOUGHT ENERGY?
BUT, NOW DO YOU CLOSE THE DOOR?
It is time to go. It closes.
ALL RIGHT. WHEN IT IS TIME TO GO, HOW DO YOU
DEPART? NOW DO YOU START MOVING? JUST THINK?
HOW DO YOU LEAVE? WHO TAKES CONTROL OF THE
SHIP? WHO FLIES IT? IS THERE A PILOT? No, no. A DOOR FRAME? COCKPIT?
There are lights within, but … the control is … we who are inside
as one, and that thought is at one with the thought within the
And that is how we leave.
LET’S MOVE FORWARD, NOW, ANOTHER TENTH OF YOUR
EXPERIENCE. ONE, TWO, THREE, (snap). YOU ARE THERE.
I am coming out of my cave, and going down the rocky cliff. I am
going to go towards the city because they are starting to send off
those who have been prepared, to help the Earth. I am very excited.
There is a tall structure on the right, shaped like an hour-glass,
very slender. And on top of this tall structure is a platform from
where the crafts are leaving. There is a large one. It will hold
many, many peoples from many places. They will unite here, in this
WHAT’S IT SHAPED LIKE?
It is long shape, round.
LIKE A BIG CIGAR?
Yes. If it is like a … we have trees here. It is like a very large
tree, with a flat middle.
YOU MEAN THE TRUNK? LIKE A TREE TRUNK?
NOT THE BRANCHES?
No. There are smaller crafts.
WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE?
They are light and silvery and they are circular, with a flat bottom
and a flat top; wide around the middle. Like cupping your hands.
IS THERE ANY DOME ON IT?
I am getting the impression that if you want a dome, you can have a
dome. I am trying to reach in for the knowledge of all of this. It
seems that our powers of mind create the illusion of structures,
just like all peoples on all planets. For some reason, those who
were in control of creating the illusion of crafts chose these
shapes. Perhaps they will have significance in another time. But all
of it is not that important.
WHAT MAKES THEM TRAVEL?
Let me dissolve. (pause) It is power of mind, again, but it is not
an activity of all our minds, but it is. All of this activity is put
to work by a few, and yet because of our oneness, we are all doing
it, but I am not thinking about the crafts or about … thinking about
the plans of travel. But there are others that do, and I am in full
oneness with whatever they bring to us.
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?
I am trying to find out how the crafts move through what is known as
space. It … there is very little reference I can make. It is a space
and time that will finally be glimpsed at one Earth at a much later
date. People … one person, scientist, will say, will finally see
that space and time are not rigidly held together. People will
praise him, but they will not see it, and he will go …
There will be
a few more who finally see that space and time are not held to a
fixed line and that what they see in their space is only one space
and one time, but it is not all space and all time. Therefore, what
they call all space and their time, when they look into the sky, is
an illusion. But they do not see but one kind of tiny space, as if
looking into a room, and they just call that the Earth. Space and
time will be difficult to explain in words to the humans, because
they lack imagination. They lack the powers of mind. They do not
have the training to see the reality, to know what space and time
really is. Until they do, then their space travel will be a space
travel of illusions. We travel by mind, and because we understand
space and time, they mean absolutely nothing. They are not coated
(?) with stars.
There is no meaningful conception, no necessary
conception, of time, through travel. Because that is pinpointing the
infinite into two words. What we do is so far beyond the realm of
ordinary thought that we would not be able to use words to convey
any possibility of our progress. But someday, the children will
understand imagination, and when they see the stars, they will see
all that there is, because they will see the space. The concept of
space and time separates us from those that we try to help, and it
takes a long time to teach other peoples. And yet there is no time,
but all of it.
“A” focuses on this point in her experience, getting on the ship to
come to Earth. She repeatedly tells us that she feels sadness, for
she will have to forget the truth of light and unity in order to
come into the Earth through birth.
ALL RIGHT. WILL YOU GO INTO THE STRUCTURE NOW. FIND YOURSELF THERE.
NOW, AS YOU GET TO THE STRUCTURE, TELL ME ABOUT IT.
Well, I don’t go to the structure yet. I go back to the teachers’
room for a while.
DO THEY KNOW THAT YOU’RE LEAVING?
Yes. They’re standing, singing, when I come in.
ARE YOU SINGING TO THEM? WHY WOULD THEY BE
STANDING WHEN YOU COME IN?
Because we will be separated.
ALL RIGHT. OUT OF RESPECT. NOW WHAT GOES ON
NOW, BETWEEN YOU AND THE TEACHERS?
I turn to one, and he places his hands on my shoulder, and looks
deeply into my eyes. I turn to another one and he does the same. I
getting a great deal of strength and knowledge, but I don’t know yet
that it is knowledge. And when I turn to the third, he stares.
THE SAME WAY, INTO YOUR EYES.
It is very hard for me not to feel sad, but then all at once I sense
it is all
right, and I cry a tear and he cries one. I turn to leave. (quiet
DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU HAVE TO LEAVE?
OK. VERY WELL. GO AHEAD. ARE YOU GOING TO THE
DIAMOND-SHAPED BUILDING? TO THE HOUR-GLASS
WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER FOUR? ARE THEY COMING
WITH YOU? WITH DIFFERENT TEACHERS? OR HOW DO
I do not know about them.
I go the long way around.
To meditate again on the way. I do know that this is a good thing. I
ready. I am going down the hill towards the hour-glass-shape. I am
standing at the very bottom, looking up. I do not have the robes on
now, I have something else on.
ARE THE OTHERS THERE YET?
They are coming within my view.
They are here now.
GOOD. THEY ARE READY TO GO TOO.
ARE THEY DRESSED THE SAME WAY YOU ARE?
ALL RIGHT. WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
I do as the teachers did with me. I turn to each one, put my hands
their shoulders and look at them. And we exchange comfort and we
exchange sadness and exchange love and knowledge and understanding.
It is a time to feel our oneness. (Pause) Now, we are walking
the structure. We are going up it like—I can’t—it is called perhaps
elevator, it is going straight up.
GO AHEAD. YOU GET TO THE TOP. NOW, WHAT HAPPENS.
There is a craft, that is … it is round.
DO YOU GET INTO THE CRAFT?
Yes. We all get in. For some reason I am thinking that this is a
craft, smaller than others that have left.
BUT IT IS BIG ENOUGH FOR FIVE?
“B” describes this same scene:
ONCE YOU’RE INSIDE THE SHIP IN
DESCRIBE THE INTERIOR FOR ME. FIRST OF ALL THE SHIP UP CLOSER. DID
YOU TELL ME IT WAS ROUND?
There are places to sit.
OK, BUT ON THE OUTSIDE, THE OUTSIDE APPEARANCE, IS IT ROUND LIKE A
No. I—I—I don’t see this one close. When we go in it is as though …
it is as though there is a place to walk, from the temple right
inside so you don’t have an overview of this one at this time. The
overview was before, from without. We walk within, from the temple
directly into this.
There is a place to go in, not a door that opens, as ours do, but …
we walk up the door … and our … we’re … the sadness has been shed.
HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE SHIP WITH YOU?
I don’t know. There’re …
No … but—
A DOZEN OR—
No, no. I … Under a dozen. I don’t know how many. Wait a minute.
There is one.
ARE YOU READY TO LEAVE.
And so the little band leaves, and as OAHSPE puts it:
Onward sped the ship of God, by the force of wills matured; and from
its hallowed light displaying its purpose before other Gods and men,
in other ships cruising, on adventurous paths in Jehovih’s wide
oceans of splendor.9
This sadness at the prospect of doing duty on Earth as “apples” has
been reported by other investigators I’ve talked with, and seems
quite common among those who under hypnosis report lives on other
planets. It is certainly understandable.
Volunteering for service on
Earth is a bit like volunteering for service in the Marine Corps.
The recruit knows the experience will be a rough one, but he
believes that in the course of performing his duties he will become
a more mature person. The Marines build men: an Earth incarnation
builds Masters. As a space contact says through Yolanda:
I see a very sad, but joyous, one. She is homesick, for she is far
from her place. I understand this. I am also far from my home, in
this ship. We do have deep understanding for such longings. Many of
us volunteer a whole time of life to these missions. But you on
Earth are so unfortunate, because when you volunteer you lose your
memory of where you came from, for the most part.10
“B” and “C” talk about the sadness in their own way:
The child here will feel sorrow, for she will glimpse this and then
lose it, and she will be pushed to an environment that will confuse
her, and yet if she still wills, if she can still but remember, even
her dreams, even the things she saw, that she will see, in the
shadows of night, then in time she will remember.
NOW, TELL ME EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR EVENT.
VERY QUICKLY, NOW, VERY CRISPLY. DON’T ANALYZE IT.
There are people there, but I cannot differentiate them. We are
meditating, no words are spoken. We are just there, seems like. I am
ALL RIGHT. THE MEDITATION IS IN ANTICIPATION OF
WHAT EVENT? WHAT MAY HAPPEN?
Us leaving the planet.
AND YOU ARE SAD AT THIS PROSPECT ALSO.
In a way, yes.
ALL RIGHT, YOU ARE ANTICIPATING LEAVING THE
PLANET, AND THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE TOO.
ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE OTHER PEOPLE?
No physical features. All I know is that they understand a little
bit more than I and that I am more sad. I am sad because it is such
a struggle. A long, long struggle. How sad that it has to be that
way. The others
know that they must leave. And they take some comfort … I can’t …
ALL RIGHT. TELL ME SOME MORE ABOUT THE STRUGGLE. WHAT TYPE STRUGGLE?
The struggle of the mind, knowing all that we know. But we lose
that, when we leave. We leave and we go back through … back through
the darkness again, and struggle … struggle to the peace. I feel
very light, right now. I am thinking, of all of this …
VERY WELL. I’D LIKE YOU TO TURN BACK TO THE PRESENT NOW,
ALTOGETHER, IN ALL DIMENSIONS. IS THERE A SPECIFIC REASON FOR YOU TO
COME BACK AS
NOW? WHAT’S GOING TO BE YOUR MAIN PURPOSE? WHAT IS YOUR ASSIGNMENT?
The blind closes. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? When I come back here,
the slate is wiped clean. It’s hard to see. (Pause) There is much
This planet …
YES, BUT NOT ON THE SPIRITUAL
DIMENSION? YOU JUST
MEAN ON THE PLANET ITSELF?
I just see it.
YES. AND THAT’S WHY YOU’RE HERE? WHY YOU WERE
It will be forgotten. We will forget.
WHY? WHY IS IT NECESSARY TO FORGET?
It’s gone. (whispering) It’s gone.
THE MEMORY OF THE PAST ON THAT PLANET IS GONE?
Off, off—it’s gone. There is white slate. It’s new—forgotten.
When the Otherworlder’s spaceship arrives here with our group, it
does not drop them onto the Earth’s surface, but instead enters the
finer or spiritual planes of our Earth and allows its passengers to
enter the cycle of reincarnation on our planet. George Hunt
If these Wanderers didn’t arrive here by spaceship, how did they get
here? They volunteered to come to Earth and go through the
reincarnational cycle here. In other words, they were born here!
They have birth certificates, they went to school, had the childhood
diseases, drank soda pop at the corner drug store and made eyes at
each other in school, or threw “spit balls” at the teacher. In
brief, they were exactly the same as all the other people on Earth,
except for one thing: they didn’t belong here! They occupy physical
vehicles and are born to parents of their own choice who they feel
will best give them the advantages and training they need to fulfill
their missions on Earth.11
And an entity known as Sut-ko gives this information:
From time immemorial, teachers of Light came to planet Earth,
incarnating from other planets, from other systems, even from other
galaxies, and from the realms known to you as the nonphysical or
supernal realms of existence; and great companies of Light came into
incarnation, carrying with them the banner of Truth and Love and
Light. In all the simplicity of these teachings, and in all
dedication to the One Creator and His Laws, these bands of Lighted
Ones came down into incarnation and to the darkness and the
degradation which they ofttimes found, and incarcerated themselves
in flesh, not for their own experiencing—though much they did
experience—but with a basic motive of service to the One Creator and
His Creations, a motive of Love and Compassion.
At each time when the Great Ones, whom you speak of as Avatars,
came, (there also) came many lesser teachers, many lighted souls,
great in compassion and service. Often their tasks seemed small, yet
they formed a chain, a pattern of strength, and each upheld the
others; and as each company whom we have termed “the goodly
companies” went forth, they went in groups of souls who had worked
and known each other from lifetime to lifetime. These souls are
incarnate once more upon planet Earth in many areas. These souls
work for the upliftment of the planet and for the dawning of the Age
of Reason at the end of this cycle upon the planet. These souls, who
have come into incarnation, have formed what is known as the
Lightlines and the Light Centers throughout the planet.
are who have gone forth on lonely ways, and have been cut off from
their fellows and have worked alone in the materialistic world. They
have sought to bring that understanding which is theirs, a glimmer
of truth which they have remembered, wherever they have found
themselves, and in whatever capacity they have labored. Now, many of
these who have worked alone join with the others in order that
strength may be given to all, that the pattern or web of Light,
which is now woven around the planet may be vitalized to its highest
Here are “A,” “B,” and “C” describing their entry into the spiritual
VERY WELL. ARE YOU READY TO DEPART?
WILL YOU DEPART, AND FIND YOURSELF IN THE NEXT PLANE OR DIMENSION?
ARE YOU NOW IN THE SPIRITUAL DIMENSION OF EARTH?
I am not sure yet where I am. I am not on Earth.
ARE YOU STILL IN THE SHIP?
HOW DO YOU GET OUT OF IT?
Well, mind. It was time.
WAS THE SHIP ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY FOR YOU TO MAKE THE TRIP FROM YOUR
PLANET TO THE EARTH’S SPIRITUAL DIMENSION?
In one way yes, and in many other ways, no. I cannot explain now,
but that it is necessary to come in something like a craft to make
that transition. Even though everything is one, and that the
vibrations are infinite, and that we knew of all things that were
going on on Earth, we could not do our task while still on our
planet. That would be a confusion of our own development and Earth’s
development and our task. It was necessary for us to leave our
vibrational level and that plane entirely, and to go through what is
called reincarnation. We needed to learn as a soul the planes of the
spirit, and all that Earthlings go through, for we do not go through
these things any more.
VERY WELL. IS THERE ANYTHING MORE NOW?
NOW, HOW DO YOU APPROACH EARTH? DO YOU JUST
COME DOWN AND DO YOU LAND OR, WHAT HAPPENS
WHEN YOU GET HERE?
No. We don’t land. You can’t do that.
WILL YOU DESCRIBE YOUR APPROACH, AND WHAT YOU
You simply leave the space ship.
DO YOU LEAVE THE SPACE SHIP UP IN THE AIR?
There is no longer any function. The … were turn to … we drop that
body, we drop … we simply leave. We … are …
YOU SAID YOU LEAVE THE
AND YOU ARE ON EARTH, THEN?
Mnn … not on Earth. We are
near, we are around, we are …
ARE YOU IN A SPIRITUAL REALM,
NOT ON EARTH AT THIS TIME? No. OK. NOW WHAT
IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE AT THIS
I know I must go through a thing called birth, but I don’t know how.
IS THERE ANY INSTRUCTION FOR YOU? ARE THERE NEW
TEACHERS THERE FOR YOU?
I find helpers.
YOU CAME TO OUR PLANET. NOW, WILL YOU TELL ME
ABOUT THE APPROACH TO OUR PLANET. HOW YOUCAME TO BE HERE. DOES THE SHIP COME DOWN AND
LAND RIGHT ON THE PLANET?
Mmnn, no. We’re in the spirit.
YES. TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED. HOW DID YOU GET OUT
OF THE SHIP?
We’re just not needed in the ship any more.
AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SHIP?
I don’t know.
DO YOU, DOES THE DOOR, DOES IT STOP AND—
We are, there is no need for doors at this stage.
SO YOU JUST DEMATERIALIZE FROM THE SHIP. DO YOU
COME DIRECTLY TO EARTH THEN?
WHAT HAPPENS? DO YOU STOP IN THE HIGHER,
SPIRITUAL DIMENSION FOR A WHILE?
There is waiting. Watching.
CAN YOU MAKE ANY CONNECTION WITH ANYONE THAT
YOU KNEW THEN AND ANYONE YOU KNOW NOW?
(Pause) I can only tell by … I don’t see people … feel presences—
YOU FOUND SOMEBODY, DIDN’T YOU?
On the spirit plane.
Mother and father. Mother.
Spirit—dear soul. Dear soul.
SHE CAME TO EARTH BEFORE YOU DID. YOU WAITED FOR
HER DIDN’T YOU? AND YOUR FATHER. THEREFORE, THEY
KNEW EACH OTHER TOO, DIDN’T THEY?
It was planned.
IT WAS PLANNED THAT THEY WOULD COME TO BE YOUR PARENTS, IS THIS
I chose them.
They chose me too.
VERY WELL. I WANT YOU TO GO BACK TO THE SPIRITUAL PLANE, FROM THE
OTHER PLANET, THERE BY ITSELF IN ITS ENTIRETY. WHO LEAVES FIRST, YOU
OR YOUR MATE?
AND YOU WAIT A WHILE?
I’m looking for the right people.
I was waiting for the correct challenge.
DID YOU MAKE THE DECISION ON YOUR OWN?
I WANT YOU TO FIND WHO SELECTED YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER, AND WHY. WHY
THIS PARTICULAR TIME, WHY THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. FIRST OF ALL,
THE PARENTS. DID YOU SELECT THOSE TWO PEOPLE BY YOURSELF, OR DID YOU
HAVE HELP FROM YOUR HELPER?
It seems to have been my choice.
So our three Otherworlders come to Earth, having chosen their
parents and gone through birth. It is apparently the plan that
“apples” come to Earth in groups who, if they can recognize each
other and remember their mission, will then be able to help each
other and work together in harmony. It was quite amazing to me as I
gathered the second and third of these regressions to find the same
report of mutual acquaintance in the previous life. It is a story of
at least five people, so I must fill you in on the other two. In
addition to the three subjects, there is a man, named here “D,” and
a man named here “E.”
Perhaps the most amazing detail of these
mutually agreeing reports was the fact that “A,” who had never known
“E,” named him as an acquaintance, a member of her family on
Otherworld. “E” is now dead, and there is no possible way she could
ever have known him. She had, however, heard his name mentioned by
“C.” And from this slight knowledge she tentatively identified him
in her regression.
LET’S LOOK AT THIS PLACE THAT YOU ARE LEAVING.
Let me come back down to the child. (Pause)
CAN YOU SEE THE ONES WHO WILL BE GOING? CAN YOU TELL ME NOW IF THERE
ARE ANY MORE THAT YOU WILL KNOW UPON EARTH?
There is a male type standing beside me. He is happy with me. We are
watching … we are looking at the ships. They have not started to
load the people, our brothers and sisters, inside yet. We … I know
him, he is my mate for a short time. I do not know him. I do not get
to see him on Earth. And yet he will … his presence will be
everywhere … he will be next to me when I have a new mate. He is
working … he will be working on a different level. Therefore I do
not get to see him. And yet he will direct … help watch over me and
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THERE THAT YOU MEET ON
I am trying to place the names … the Earth names of “D” and “E.” I
am trying to see where they come from, if they are from my planet or
from someplace else. (Pause) “D” is from my planet, though I do not
know him. (Pause)
No. “D’ is not from my planet. He will be a communicator between his
peoples and all the peoples who are joining in this endeavor. He
will be most necessary, most comforting to me on Earth. We will all
be there. He is from someplace else. I do not know. And yet he will
know about me. He will know about all of those who show him … who
look into his eyes … he will be able to recognize … he will be like
the watershed, that many of us will pass over, and go on to where we
will be of most use. I see “C.” She is grown now. She is very close
to me. I … for some reason I feel that I should be much older … and
yet age has been suspended.
DO YOU SEE ANYONE ELSE?
Not here on the platform.
DO ANY OTHERS TRAIN WITH YOU FOR THE SAME PURPOSE?
I do not see others doing what the teachers and I are doing. But
there are others. There are others that will help me. We will help
each other in bringing this knowledge out.
DESCRIBE THE OTHERS.
(long pause) ... I am sorry for the delay. I was dissolved. I am
trying to see the others. The only way to do it while I am still in
the cave is to dissolve. (long pause) … I do not see them yet.
IT IS VERY EASY FOR YOU TO SEE ONE OF THEM.
(Pause) … The man beside me, who came in with me, I am not sure
whether he is going to be there, on Earth with me, for, as I am
told, people cannot see invisible things, or they only see things
that they want to see. I am trying to … but it’s hard. I think … to
go back and forth … he will be with me, and because I am still here
on this planet and not on Earth, I cannot talk as if I’m on Earth. I
know general things about Earth, for Earth is just one stage, and
all peoples go through that stage, and it is an understanding. So
therefore I know because of meditations I may or I may not see this
person, but he is in reality always with me. I am not sure now of
other peoples … I know I will have … I know we will have a group on
this planet, but that will come later, much later. I am, as far as
age go on this planet, which is simply an appearance, I am a child.
These friends, I have the impression, will come later. Perhaps they
are being trained like I. They do not know, either. But I am very
split because I have the understanding of the universe, and yet I am
dumb and unable to speak. I … speaking is not necessary here. But I
accept all that the teachers give me here, because they are the
reality and I am theirs.
LET’S MOVE FROM THE TIME YOU ARE IN NOW, FORWARD APPROXIMATELY
ONE-TENTH OF YOUR EXPERIENCE ON THAT PLANET. YOU WILL MOVE FORWARD
AT THE COUNT OF THREE, I WILL SNAP MY FINGERS, AND YOU WILL BE ABLE
TO SEE. ONE, TWO, THREE, (snap). DESCRIBE YOUR EXPERIENCE.
I am with other people now. We are all sitting down. We are
laughing. There seem to be five of us plus two teachers.
DO YOU RECOGNIZE ANY OF THEM?
I recognize vibrations.
DO YOU KNOW ANY OF THEM THAT ARE HERE ON THE
EARTH-LIFE WITH YOU?
WHO ARE THEY?
“B” and “C.” They are on each side of me. We seem to have finished
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT YOU RECOGNIZE?
There’s two male types, but I don’t make out their impressions or
IS THIS GROUP SIMILAR TO THE GROUP THAT COMES TO
YOUR PLACE, TO THE CAVE, TO MEDITATE?
It doesn’t seem to be … It is hard for me to say. There are other
… Seems there are five of us. But it’s hard for me to say if there
other groups on our planet like us. It is hard to think of others
THERE IS NO STRUGGLE ON YOUR PLANET?
No. It is a struggle within yourself, of your own knowledge of the
that is before us.
WELL, GO AHEAD AND TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE
STRUGGLE, ABOUT THE TASK, HOW YOU LEAVE, AND
WHERE YOU PLAN TO GO?
We must go there without our memories—people who have forgotten
everything and will have to grow again. But these five people will
together and will know of each other.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING? DO YOU GO TO A DIFFERENT
We come to Earth.
WHICH OTHER PLANETS WOULD YOU HAVE HAD THE OPTION OF GOING TO? WERE THERE MANY OTHER PLANETS YOU COULD HAVE GONE TO? OR OTHER ENTITIES
COME FROM? HOW MANY PLANETS ARE INVOLVED IN THIS SYSTEM?
Sand. Sand. As many. We … (pause) … we are needed here.
NOW, BY SAYING SAND, ARE YOU SAYING LIKE GRAINS OF
As many as sand.
AS MANY PLANETS AS THERE ARE GRAINS OF SAND. SO IT’S
JUST INFINITE THEN.
YOU WERE ALL TOGETHER. ALL RIGHT. THE PERSON YOU KNOW AS “D.” IS HE
IN YOUR PAST? He was one with us. WAS HE ON THE SHIP?
N … I don’t
know. He was one with us in the temple. HE WAS IN THE TEMPLE? In …
that—family. And I, I believe in the temple.
WAS HE THE INSTRUCTOR
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT?
THE OLDER TEACHER?
NOW DON’T LET ME LEAD YOU. YOU BE SURE. DON’T SAY
SO BECAUSE I SUGGEST IT. YOU CAN EASILY SAY HE’S NOT.
I know it. … I
think so. I think the love was the same.
WHO WAS ONE OF HIS
ASSISTANTS, THAT YOU MAY
I believe “C” … was a handmaiden. I believe behind the altar the day
that we all were there.
THE PERSON WE KNOW AS “A”?
I think “A” … had
to do with the place that we ate. The place that we
gathered. I believe … that she served us.
WAS YOUR NEXT SHALL WE SAY REINCARNATION ON
WHO WAS YOUR MATE?
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO REMAIN ON THAT PLANE FOR
A MOMENT. DIVIDE PART OF YOUR ATTENTION BACK ON
THE PLANET THAT YOU WERE ON BEFORE YOU CAME
HERE, PART OF YOUR ATTENTION TO WHERE YOU ARE
RIGHT NOW, PART TO THE PLANE TO WHICH YOU WILL
GO. “D” HAS BEEN WITH YOU ON THE SPIRITUAL PLANE
AND ON THE OTHER PLANET. HE WAS YOUR MATE. IS
OK. LOOK AT OTHER ENTITIES, NOW. RELATE PEOPLE YOU KNOW NOW
BACK ON THE SPIRITUAL PLANE OR ANY
OTHER PLACE YOU HAVE EVER BEEN. DO YOU FIND
A whole lot of them, it seems like. An awful lot of people I know.
“E”—he’s dead. He was a brother. “B” … “A”—”A,” wait. “A” was my
mother in the body.
“J” was a brother …
“B” I know. She was my sister.
In the clan.
A sixth person, “J,” was mentioned by two, but not by
the third, as being part of the clan and of this mission. It is
possible that he was sent to take the place of “E,” after his death,
though this is never said by any of the subjects.
Now, this “mission” which has been talked about: what is it?
Williamson describes it thusly:
So there are several million people in the world that have nothing
to do with this world as far as learning anything from it that they
haven’t already acquired. They either passed through many lives on
the Earth planet itself, or they learned the same lesson on another
world similar to our Earth. At any rate, they are far ahead of the
average Earth man or woman. Why do they come back? The answer is,
because they want to help; they feel that there is something far
more beautiful for man on Earth to attain.13
And OAHSPE echoes this:
To serve others, is to do good unto others; to help them; to teach
them; to give them joy and comfort. This is the service of Jehovih.
… But good works alone are not sufficient to attain the highest
grades, for they require knowledge and the capacity to unfold
others. To accomplish which, those of the higher grades shall oft
return to the lower and learn to lift them up. For this is that
which calleth the ethereans in the times of resurrections. Wherein
the righteous, who are yet mortal, begin at once lifting up their
fellows. Which labor is to the spirit as exercise is to the mortal
body, that which giveth strength. Judge then thyself, O man of the
earth, as to the place thy spirit will rise in the time of thy
And here are “C” and “B” talking about the mission:
YOU DECIDED TO COME BACK TO THE EARTH, THEN.
FOR WHAT REASON?
Two reasons. I knew that I wanted to help this planet. It is in a
bad way. And a lot of people that are here are calling out, they
want help very badly, and you can’t help unless you are in the body
here. It’s very intense here. There’s no way to get into the …
enough to help, without infringing on free will, unless you’re in
the body. There are no easy solutions here.
AND THE OTHER REASON FOR COMING BACK?
It was my own criticism of myself that I did not know how to give
without receiving. I felt that I needed an experience that would
express what I knew without expecting a return.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO LEARN, OR SOMETHING TO TEACH?
SOMETHING TO BRING FORTH IN YOUR LIFE?
Teaching is learning. That is one. They’re both one.
NOW ARE YOU FULFILLING YOUR ASSIGNMENT IN SOME WAY NOW?
About to. All the pieces are ready. Not quite ready. Gathering
together. They are gathering. This is a gathering time. The things
that I must work with are not all gathered yet but are coming.
NOW, WHAT IS THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT, WHEN WILL
THIS PLAN BE PUT INTO EFFECT?
A meeting. One piece, one piece—is a meeting, soon. Ah … only one
piece. Other pieces, gradually, will come. Four years to do it.
WHERE WILL THE MEETING TAKE PLACE?
I don’t know. That’s only one piece of it … but that will bring …
threads together, some of them.
WHAT WILL BE THE RESULT OF THE MEETING, THE FINAL OUTCOME?
More—more threads joining. To complete the—to complete … um, again,
magnetism, electric, it has to do with the same threads, those
And so now is the time when the threads are beginning to come
together, not only for this little band of “apples” but for so many
… we have sought slowly to bring to you information relevant to the
times in which you now find yourselves. We have sought through many
of our channels, our peoples walking the surface of your planet, to
present through all avenues open to us, whether these be that which
you term fiction or fact, data or imagination, something of the
change which is about to take place.15
It is indeed a strange story. Yet it will ring true to the many who
read this who themselves have a feeling that they were put here on
Earth to help … somehow, some way, some day. The Confederation would
say: meditate, and your purpose will unfold, from within.
Our subject, “A,” far more than the other two, was focused during
her regression sessions on the purpose of her coming here, and the
precise reasons for which she had chosen this time in which to
journey here. To close this chapter, I let a meditative Wanderer
speak about her mission on Earth:
CAN YOU TELL ME ANYTHING MORE ABOUT “D,” WHY HE CAME, OR …
Yes, he comes before I do.
WHY? DO YOU KNOW WHY HE DOES THIS?
He will … it will be necessary for him to be there at the so-called
dawning of our appearance. This … He will need the time also before
any of us arrive to make his own advancements and to be ready for
us. He will also know and convey information about the peoples on
Earth. He will understand once again, as we all will, of the
delicateness of free will, and the ways to help the people rather in
a sneaky way.
It is a beautiful thing, if I may relate what I am thinking about
here on the platform, it is a beautiful thing that all these peoples
are coming to this one planet. And I sincerely pray, as I do each
day, that the people will realize the fantastic thing that the
infinite Creator is allowing. We feel very blessed in our hearts.
DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU GO TO EARTH AT THIS TIME? IS THIS A SPECIFIC
TIME FOR EARTH?
All I can say … it is a feeling that we all have. Feelings and
vibrations from everything and everywhere. We receive also. It is a
feeling like giving birth. It is time for Earth to be born. She has
gone through many times of labor, many hard stages of development,
but giving birth … hopefully, the planet will live. But if it is the
will of the infinite Creator, the Earth may not. We do because it
is. No one guesses at the infinite Creator. But we develop; we have
our task, and we do this because it is our task. We need to pass
tests. We need to achieve oneness, dissolution in the infinite
Creator, just as all peoples.
We come to help give birth to the
Earth. But we cannot give it life. That is the free will that is the
communication between the Creator and all of the Earth. Not just in
the voices of the people, it is in invisible and the unheard of, the
tiny, tiny places inside of each person and each thing that
communicates to the infinite Creator its will. And we can only help
each of those tiny places realize its kingdom and its glory. And, if
it hears, then so be it. It is a hard thing. It is a painful thing,
for I feel its birth. I feel that the Earth is inside of me. And I
worry because I have no real control over the life and death of this
This is why I’m sad. I’m sad because we are all one, and it
is hard to stand back and not know whether your child is going to
live or die. And although its death will be its birth, I know what
that illusion, death, can do when the mind is weak. I pray, as we
all do, for the peoples on Earth to hear, even if it’s with their
inner ear, we pray for each soul to awaken, and we stand ready for
that split second when someone might turn around and see. That is
why we are here, nothing more and nothing less. We are here as Gods.
But we are Gods that grovel, and know the blessing and the love that
we give and receive from those who step on us. Because we were them
also. It only takes time, that illusion, time, to stand up and be
gods to someone else.
We pray for the Earth, that she will be born. Soon, there will be
many things: confusion. At the time, there will be much busy-ness,
as it is called. At that time there will be false witness and false
rumors, and those who want to play mischief with this most important
time. I see all of this standing on the platform. I see this with my
mate. It is pouring through me, which is why I am able to talk of
it. For soon this knowledge will be closed. For those of us who
still know the reality there will be no miracles. Miracles are for
the unfaithful. Miracles are tricks.
… tape ends, some material lost while another tape loaded in the
… and the ship just leaves.
AS IT LEAVES, I WISH YOU WOULD TAKE A LOOK BACK NOW AT THE PLANE
THAT YOU HAVE JUST LEFT. CAN YOU LOOK AT THIS FOR ME IN THE
SPIRITUAL OR IN THE PHYSICAL REALM AND GIVE ME ANY KIND OF
DESCRIPTION? IS IT IN THE SAME DIMENSION AS EARTH?
It is … (pause) It is hard. It is at least one vibrational level
above Earth. Earth will, if it survives, it will go through a great
change and will live through another birth. But that is where we
are, because we are able to have such powers of mind that we can do
these things with other planets in total harmony. This is something
Earth will have to learn in its next phase.
It will be, as I remember from my past knowledge … a beautiful time.
But it is still one level behind my level, for soon we will go
birth also. But it is not such a hard one.
THEN IN CHANGING FROM ONE VIBRATIONAL
DIMENSION TO ANOTHER, IT IS SIMPLY A MATTER OF
Yes. The one that I kept looking back to from that? He is on a
EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE IN THE SAME DIMENSION?
Yes. My teachers are at a higher vibrational level.
AND THIS IS WHY THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT GLOW ABOUT
NOW, CAN YOU REACH THAT LEVEL?
DO YOU EXPECT TO ATTAIN THAT LEVEL AT SOME TIME
ON THE EARTH PLANE?
I can obtain it if I stay on the Earth plane, according to my own
development and on my awareness of who I am. If this is what is
of me, then I will do this. But I may not stay here on the Earth. It
to the infinite Creator. To my innermost soul. If my infinite
these things are not set, and no one knows the infinite Creator.
ON THE EARTH PLANE, THERE WILL BE AN ENTITY
KNOWN AS JESUS CHRIST.
IS HE FROM A SIMILAR VIBRATIONAL LEVEL AS THE
PEOPLE YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT?
THEN EARTH BEINGS, WHEN THEY REACH THAT LEVEL,
CAN ALSO ATTAIN THIS LEVEL OF VIBRATION?
Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
NOW, CAN THEY DO IT DIRECTLY FROM THE PHYSICAL PLANE, OR WOULD THEY
HAVE TO LEAVE THE PHYSICAL PLANE AND THEN COME BACK?
It is most possible to do it while on this plane. But it takes what
I have been talking about—the dissolution of time and space. It is a
mental process that is beyond everything that is known here. If he
can achieve that, if he can achieve being able to dissolve
completely, he will be of much higher vibrational level, and whether
his task is to stay here and be an illumined one or to go on any
other of the infinite levels where people exist, that is up to the
OK. DO YOU WANT TO POINT OUT ANYTHING ELSE,
NOW, FROM THIS PARTICULAR POINT?
It is … it is hard to explain, except that at this level, many
planets … it is like the make or break level. It is a most unstable
situation because there is the equality and the battle between the
illusion of bad and good. It is not … it is erroneous to call it
evil, that is why I say illusion. It is simply the remembrance in
people of their earlier life, earlier vibrational plane, that is
carried over, inherited, in the Earth itself. Which comes up on the
other side of the higher vibrational that is most evident there
also. It is a … two, like magnets, in each particle, in each person,
in each molecule, that keeps them from becoming steadied and ready
and quiet for birth. There are old … if I may call them that, old
souls that only remember their more base vibrational level, and they
add to the struggle. It is only after this level that things will be
Two postscripts to this chapter: first, it may have occurred to you
to wonder why we didn’t have all five of the subjects’ regressions
in this discussion. Unfortunately, neither “D” nor “J” have, up
until this time, been hypnotizable.
Secondly, I would like to give credit to Mr. Lawrence Allison, an
excellent hypnotist who has spent many patient hours with me working
on these cases.