Kerry Cassidy (Kerry):
Hi. This is Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot. Tonight I was
contacted by Anthony Sanchez, the author of 'UFO Highway' in
regard to an investigation in Dulce, New Mexico at the Archuleta
Unfortunately, he has contacted a nerve agent in the
process, and he wanted to discuss his finding, as well as we
ended up talking about a very crucial area of investigation that
involves the Chinese, a group of off-world visitors, and the
near-Earth orbiting satellites, and a special secret project
that Lockheed Martin is involved in, called 'Project Leonid.'
Because this information is so crucial, I am releasing this
audio interview that was basically a phone call, in its unedited
form, except for removing the information with regard to one
witness whose life would be in danger otherwise. So, without
further adieu, I am going to let you listen to this interview,
and I have to say that, because a lot of the information did
cross-correlate with Project Camelot witnesses and
whistleblowers, I believe that this information is very crucial
to the world at this time.
And this is November 4th, Friday at
3:00am in the morning. Thank you.
Anthony Sanchez (Anthony): I got there on Monday
and at 8 o'clock in the morning, when I met with the tribal
council president and the public relations officer, they...
surprisingly, they had already read what I wrote in the PDF,
Anthony: Based on that, they gave me unprecedented access to the
reservation. So, by 10 o'clock... I mean, literally, after
meeting with them, I met with a guy two hours later, and we're
up at the top of the Mesa... Archuleta Mesa.
Kerry: Is it okay with you if I record this?
Anthony: Yeah, yeah. I'm fine with that.
Kerry: Okay. Okay.
Kerry: Say, can you say, say your name and say the date?
Anthony: Yeah, I might...
Kerry: Because just in case something happens to you, we should
make sure we have this copy of your... whenever you're talking
Anthony: Yeah. This is Anthony Sanchez, and it's 1 o'clock in
the morning, Pacific Standard Time, November 4th, 2011. And
again, I apologize about my voice, but that's the paralysis. So,
and I'll get to that in a moment.
Kerry: Okay. And this is Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot.
Anthony: Okay. So, like I said, on... on Decem... on... oh
God... on the 17th of October, I get a call from Jesse Ventura's
people. They want me to be in Dulce on the 21st, which is a
Friday. I believe 17th was Monday.
Anyway, so, they wanted me to
be there to be part of their show, either as a consultant or
whatever, whatever capacity they want, they needed me. But I
couldn't. I was not going to be arriving in Dulce until the
24th. Man, I'm sorry about my voice. Anyway, I arrived at 2:30am
in the morning in Dulce. By 8 o'clock morning, I'm actually
meeting face-to-face with the tribal council president.
I met with the public relations officer. I have his card right
here, I donít remember his name off-hand. But I actually gave
him a copy of my book. The thing was, Leon K. Reval. He's the
public relations officer of the Jicarilla Apache Nation. Anyway,
I was there at the tribal administration for some of these
tribal council administrators and so on, meeting with these
And I don't know what happened, but Governor Ventura was
not given access to the [field] at Dulce. They were very nice to
him, but they essentially sent him off the reservation, and they
put him in contact with a Bigfoot expert, someone who is not
really an expert on
the Dulce facility. He was Hoyt Velarde. And
I don't know how that went but, anyway, we were given access.
They gave us unprecedented access to the reservation.
The only thing we were not allowed to do, was to interview
people on the reservation. They wanted us to interview them off
the reservation. I don't know why that was the case, but we had
a series, we conducted a series of interviews in-house, which is
not too far from Dulce. And back in Dulce, we were allowed to
film, anywhere we wanted to film, so long as we had a man with
the Nation with us.
I had a seven-year veteran police officer of
the Jicarilla Police Department, Jicarilla Apache Police
Department, as our guide. He's now a professional hunting guide,
and he took us up to the Mesa; [it took us] a couple hours to
get up to where, up to where we needed to go.
Kerry, we discovered U.S. government property up there on the
Mesa. We're the first investigative research team to discover
U.S. government property. Military-grade material. So, I don't
know if that's what caused this, but later that evening, I don't
know what happened. I had a severe headache. The next day I'm [retoused].
It's just... [it escalates]. The pain is so bad, I just can't
deal with it.
The following morning, I wake up with full
paralysis on my face. I go to the hospital there, and they
initially think I have a stroke. Then they tell me, no I don't
have a stroke. I don't even have high blood pressure. First,
[and then] tell me I'm not even pre-diabetic. They... I told
them that I had surgery twenty years ago to remove a benign
[substance] from my inner ear.
They did a CT scan and they see
some remnants of the [previous procedure from 40 years ago]
still there, but they're not concerned about that. They don't...
Then they think I have something called Bell's Palsy, but they
aren't sure, because they said nothing was fitting right with
the way this all came about, the paralysis.
And back in California, I [go to the] doctor. I had a blood test
[taken]. They're concerned about the remnants of the surgery.
They don't know if it's a reoccurrence of this benign substance.
But anyway, the they went ahead with the blood test. And here's
what really sucks.
When the blood test came back, it came back
positive for some type of neurological toxin or bio-agent.
Anthony: They said... they said that if it had been ant poison
or wasp poison or something to that effect, it would have a
chemical signature that they could identify. They can't identify
what this is.
The one doctor says - and I swear to God these
are his exact words - he said,
'It almost appeared as if it
were some military-grade neural agent.'
Kerry: Oh wow, yeah. Incredible.
Anthony: So now, I have paralysis. And the... The bad news is
that, it's not Bell's Palsy, which they said to me was... would
have been... because that would have been good news if it had
been Bell's Palsy, because they said it would cure itself over
time. But, anyway, that's where I am right now.
Kerry: I don't understand... Can you... I'm sorry. Can you back
up and explain what happened to you, what you came in contact
with, that might have caused this. In other words, you were
saying you got to a certain area of the reservation. What area
was that? And what is it that you came across specifically?
Anthony: We were... I went to... Yeah, I went to three areas
when I was in Dulce. First, we went to Dulce Rock, to
investigate why there are so many
UFO sightings over Dulce Rock.
Then we went to Mount Archuleta. This is not the Mesa, not
Archuleta, which is off to the East.
Anyway, the rest of the
story is... What... What we found was on the Archuleta Mesa. We
went up to the plat... When we suddenly reached the plateau of
the Mesa, we encountered a UFO crash site from 1996. When we
walked around, we took photographs.
And then we analyzed this area which I call ['shadow range'],
which I believe is the possibility for an entrance to the Dulce
facility. [But] we were just... less than 1,500 feet away from
the radio towers, when I spotted, out of the corner of my eye
with my peripheral vision, two strange objects.
They were about
five feet by five feet wide, and then about maybe four feet
tall. They were containers. They were military containers. They
They had plated serial information with
[trowel] serial numbers on them, and they were jet engine
Kerry: Did you take any photographs? I'm sorry. Did you take
Anthony: Yes I did. I took high definition video and a high
definition 16 megapixel photograph of these. And I'll be sending
these up to you.
Kerry: Okay. Did you put it on your webs... Did you put it on
Anthony: It's not on my website yet, but I've already sent it to
Mel Fabregas and I sent it to Jerry Pippin, and I asked them to
show it to an entire audience of people at the ASPE event on the
30th [of October], which was a Sunday, during my presentation on Dulce. I was already suffering from paralysis at that point on
my face, but I went ahead with my presentation anyway. And I
showed the images there.
Kerry: Okay, good. So yes, please send that to me, however you
can do it.
Anthony: As soon as I'm done talking, I'm going to email it to
you. The strange thing is that Norio Hayakawa... I think I was
Norio, I don't remember who, somebody in my party, realized that
these were containers for jet engines. We identified them at F-5
jet engines. They were F-5.
Curiously, it was from the '60s and
'70s. This is an older jet technology, but it would make sense,
whether they have been there since... the supported...
firefighting in the '79 era... Here's the important aspect to
all of this. What the hell is it doing up there on sovereign
Indian land? It is totally out of place. My guide says he's
never seen it before.
And I'm like, 'Well, it's right there, in
plain sight. It's under a tree, right behind you, about three
feet behind you is another one.' And he says he swears that he's
never seen these there before.
So, whether they were put there recently, I don't know. But what
it confirms to me is that the U.S. government, specifically the
military, is up there in Dulce. Now, this is a bit of
information that you need to know. This guide, in June of this
year, 2011, took two members of the Phoenix Suns' basketball
team up there on a hunting trip. This is what this guide was
When they were up there - and I have the names
of the basketball players too, by the way - when they were up
there, they were confronted by three men in military outfits.
You cannot make out what ranks of the military they were part
of, but they had side arms and they had AR15 rifles.
They approached them and they told them,
'You need to vacate the
premises. You are violating a restricted area.'
And the guide told them,
'No. This is Jicarilla, Apache land and
sovereign land, and I have every right to be here. I'm a
And they told them,
'No. Today, it is a restricted area and you
need to leave.'
And they pointed their guns at him.
So they left. This is all documented. This... This is crazy,
Kerry. I met... oh God... There's just a lot of strange things
going on that happened, not to mention the fact that I'm now
paralyzed to the face after conducting all this investigative
work up there. That's why I'm calling you, because I fear for my
life. I have a bad cold. My office is compromised here.
been videotaping my computer system, because somebody had
tampered with my computer. My speakers are running these digital
signals and these strange sounds. I swear, I've heard the words
'Dulce.' I've heard the word 'Hill,' as in Hill Air Force Base
and 'Kirtland,' as in Kirtland Air Force Base.
Either they're messing with my head, trying to make me paranoid.
I don't know. It's just... There's a lot going on right now and
I'm just... [so very] concerned.
Kerry: Okay. They're probably, probably doing some mind control
stuff going. So, what is it that you're trying to get at,
because, I mean, with all due respect, we know there's
underground at Dulce. So, are you trying to prove it? Is that
your angle? Why is it that you were up there?
Anthony: I was up there because I'm trying to find proof of the
existence of the facility. What I did find was U.S. government
property that should not be there. I also received testimony,
with witnesses present. [Janet Jennerer], if you ask for
verification, was present when I was interviewing the secret
police - I cannot tell you from where - where he's admitting
to there being a facility on the Southwest portion of the
He said he was helicoptered in. And he saw a...
No, he was not helicoptered in. He knows the two individuals who
were helicoptered in 1979 who admitted to him that there is a
holographic entrance on the Southwest portion of the Archuleta
Mesa. He also said that beneath the radio towers, there would be
a holographic entrance.
And that they have seen craft repeatedly
come and go from this entrance to the facility.
Now, this is key information that I'm sharing with you here. I
have the identities of the two [informants] who were at the
facility in 1979. One of them was a New Mexico State Police
Officer, and no, it was not Gabe Valdez. And the other one was a
high-ranking law enforcement officer from the Jicarilla Apache
Nation. I have both of their names. I want to give you their
names, Kerry. What I want to do is off this recording. I cannot
give you their names on this recording, but I will give them to
you at a time that's off the recording.
So you need to know the
names, that they are real, they were there, and they admitted to
the [site and told the] chief of police, that they were there.
Kerry: Okay. Now, but you have already said something on this
recording that you don't want me to release, right? So, I'm
going to need to go back and cut out that part. Is that correct?
Anthony: Uh... [sighs] Maybe, yeah. I don't even know. I'm so
tired right now. I'm just in so much pain. My head is in.... a
tremendous amount of pain.
Kerry: Okay. I want to try to get... I want to try to get you
some help. So, I will try to find you some healers, because I
have... I know people that have access to various healing
Kerry: And it's very likely that we can try to cure you of this,
[audio cuts out and complete silence 16:09 - 16:19]
Anthony: Okay. Yeah.
Kerry: So, I will work...
Anthony: But I did... and I did meet with some healers when I
was in-house. But I'm telling you, it just all came about so
quickly. And I couldn't even drive home. I had to have a friend
drive me home. I drove twenty-two-and-a-half straight hours from
Northern California to Dulce without breaking, stopping for a
break. And then the same when I [go to your] home.
Twenty-two-and-a-half hours each way.
Kerry: Ah. Okay, now...
Anthony: It was just insane. Now, I went... I went from
essentially sea level to 13,000 feet elevation when I went to
his house. Got 9,500 feet elevation in Dulce. It's just... I'm
telling you, something is going on.
Kerry: Okay. Anthony, if we release this, I can put this on
Camelot. You will great deal of notice. Do you want that,
because it's possible there will be healers who will contact me
as well, through contact...
Anthony: Yeah, that's the... see, that's the whole purpose of
this. I'm trying to get... I'm trying to let people know that
there is something in Dulce, that I spoke to somebody who
actually worked there, that I'm receiving, I received so much
validation from three different families, eleven people who work
for the law enforcement, law enforcement employees in Dulce from
Jicarilla Apache Nation, and one of them is the current chief of
police elsewhere. Not in Dulce, but elsewhere, but right there
in Northern New Mexico, who is a Jicarilla Indian, by the way.
Anthony: I need this information out there. That's what this is
for, and now I'm paying the price for it with my life and my
health. And it's [serious]. It's just at a point where I gotta
get it out there.
Kerry: But, okay. Yeah. I think, I think the most important
thing is for you to get healed right away. So, I will send out
some notice about this. But is there anything else, while I have
you on this recording, that you want to talk about, because
obviously, this will be a good moment for you to get the word
out on anything you're investigating.
Anthony: No. There's a lot of information that I have right now.
With respect to Dulce, the only other thing that I have is this
crash site that we found, that we surveyed, where apparently a
150-foot diameter copper disc smashed into a side of a hill
there, and we saw it. We found it.
There's a 300 [foot] wide
section of perimeter [we saw], half of which is now gone. And
when you study the impact, you notice that the [perimeter we
saw] is this first in a sliding pattern, in a downward sliding
pattern, and all the trees are knocked over. This is what I was
told by these witnesses. This was in 1996. When they viewed
this, it was during the evening. Immediately, black SUVs were
all over the Mesa. They created a perimeter around the crash
site and they started excavating the... They started removing
the crash evidence.
They also, with the assistance, but under
the direct authority of the military, the Jicarilla Police Force
went from home-to-home confiscating cameras of any sorts. All
the cameras - this is what I was told - were returned, without
film or deleted. Deleted media.
So, what happened and what was that copper disc that these
people saw? Was it a grey craft or was it... was it a military,
a clandestine military craft? I don't know, but these people
felt threatened. And I had three separate families who I
conducted interviews with, that verified this information, and
this story was the same from family to family. So again,
something is happening there in Dulce. But the artifacts that I
discovered up there. They're [either] jet engine containers.
They're 1,500 feet away from the radio towers.
What are they
doing up there? The most important [reason we learned and
proved,] proves that the U.S. military is up there. In what
capacity? I don't know.
Kerry: Okay. What's interesting is, if I understand it
correctly, what you may have gotten in contact with, is a nerve
agent, they said.
Kerry: And there's a nerve agent... there was a nerve agent in
the containers. And what you might have... Did you touch the
Anthony: Yes, my hands were all over the containers.
Kerry: Geez. Okay.
Kerry: Uh, and...
Anthony: And one of the things that
Gabe Valdez said before he
passed away. And so, I cannot believe I did not heed his advice.
He said, do not touch the cattle. The mutilated cattle, he said,
do not touch them.
Do not touch any of the evidence near the
mutilated cattle. And these jet containers happened to be right
next to a cow pasture up there at this plateau.
Kerry: Right. Okay. Did anyone else touch them?
Anthony: No. Just me.
Kerry: Ah, God.
Anthony: Just me. My partner, Ric Prestel from Sacramento MUFON
was using a high def video camera and he was filming it. So...
No, I'm the only one that touched it.
Kerry: I see.
Anthony: And the guide wouldn't go near them. He wouldn't go
Anthony: He stayed in... As a matter of fact, he stayed in his
truck and he warned me not to film them. He warned me not to
Kerry: Oh really.
Anthony: Yeah. It was my... That was like [the warning].
Anthony: The guy was frightened. He was definitely afraid of
Kerry: So, is this... are these things something that you're
saying would have been carried on a jet in the '60s or...? I
don't... Because I'm not... You're saying they're containers.
What I'm not...
Anthony: They're big box metal containers that are used to ship
Kerry: Oh. So, why would they contain a nerve agent?
Anthony: I don't know. I don't know that they contained a nerve
agent, but maybe the surrounding area did. I know that Gabe
Valdez said... He said, don't do... don't ever touch the cattle.
They identified substances in the cattle. They know that they
were mild [agents] or something. Like... I think they've
identified [rice] in at one point, anthrax at another point.
he said, don't touch them. And what do I do? I touch these
containers. But I don't know that the containers are the source
of what I have. I don't know.
Kerry: Okay. As far as this recording is concerned. Again, do
you want me to go back and delete the part about... that you
mentioned that you wanted deleted? Do you want me to go back and
delete that before I release this?
Anthony: Yes, yes. Yes.
Kerry: Okay. And...
Anthony: I don't want any mention of... if I mentioned any
names... I don't want to mention too much. The facts.
Kerry: Okay, fine.
Anthony: Kerry, this is what, this is why I can't be scared
about investigating and doing research on Dulce. Nobody wants to
be... nobody wants to come out. Nobody wants their names known.
Especially the Jicarilla.
For them, it's cultural, because
they're American Indian and they have these various strong
convictions and beliefs, and they just don't like coming out
with this stuff. And there's other people who are not Jicarilla,
who are from New Mexico, who are just definitely afraid to talk.
Why are they really afraid to talk?
Listen. Iíve been harassed
by [Dill] Air Force Base [MRIC Detachment 2IT] twice. Twice
already. This year. I've been harassed by them. My house has
been broken into. I had ten of my hard drives that were stolen
from my property. So, something's going on. And now I have this
paralysis to deal with on my face, from some neurological agent,
So... this information has to get out there.
Kerry: Okay. All right. Anthony, if there's anything else you
want to say about your overall investigations, because we have
been in touch and... Of course, I'm happy to meet with you at
any time. I actually just got back from India. I'm very
jet-lagged at this moment, which is why I'm awake. But I'm happy
to meet with you, and we can film this in a more formal setting,
if you wish.
Kerry: But, as far as what's going on with you, what other
investigations you've been part of recently, that could have any
bearing on what is happening to you. Why your place was broken
into. In other words, because what... you don't know what is
linked to what, right? You know...
Anthony: Well... [sighs] I could tell you this. Whoever stole my
hard drive now knows everything about the other investigation
that I've been conducting.
I have found evidence, based on
information that was provided to me from one of my sources that
worked at Lockheed Martin, that we're developing some type of a
system, a low-Earth orbiting system, a defense system, to combat
this... this space war that's going to be conducted between the
Chinese and us. But here's the interesting thing. It's a very
complex tale. Okay?
It's not about us versus the Chinese. This
is not a human-versus-human war that I'm being told about.
They're telling me that the Chinese are being used as puppets.
There's some higher level group, this alien-human hybrid group.
I know it sounds crazy, Kerry, but you have to hear me out.
Kerry: No. Absolutely... No. I have whistleblower testimony to
Anthony: Yes. So, they have - oh my God - so, they're... I am
being told it is...
Kerry: That exact thing... That exact thing I have been told by
a very credible whistleblower.
Anthony: So the... you're trying to...
Kerry: Now, at least a year ago, that a new race of beings has
come into our area of the galaxy, and that they are trying...
are backing the Chinese, and that they are trying to put the
Chinese in charge of the world.
Anthony: Well, this is, this is the reason why. And this is...
Now, this is what I've been told. Literally again, any one of
the three super powers. And there are one of three super powers.
There's what? There's only three countries to worry about - the
United States, the Russians and the Chinese. I was told that the
Chinese met all the prerequisites.
One, they decimated their
ecology. They have no fresh water. They've been buying fresh
water from the Argentines and the Brazilians as a commodity.
They have no natural resources. Their entire population lives
along their coastline.
They have created this massive level of
deforestation that's turned all the central part of the country
into essentially a desert.
So, they have systematically been
lowering... keeping their currency at a lowered value over the
past 20 years. And then in that same time, they used their
communist structure to subjugate their people such that school
children are prisoners and the elderly, just about everybody,
have established their new emerging middle class, has been
working in the manufacturing sector.
Why? So that they can... they can essentially flood the global
market with their products. What does that do? It, it... while
they maintained this lowered level of... this lowered level from
their currency, they are yet becoming extremely wealthy.
United States is already 14 trillion dollars in debt to the
Chinese. There's no gold in the U.S. gold reserve. You already
know that. There are people that have outright told us, they
haven't seen gold in the Fort Knox since the 1970s. Why is that
important? It's because the Chinese, since 2009, have been
conducting a campaign to get various countries off of the
international dollar standard.
Why? Because the minute they do
that, they're going to trigger a financial collapse.
dollar's going to collapse, and we're going to see a domino
effect, where all these other countries are going to slide into
these deep economic depressions. And what that's going to do, is
it's going to open the doors for a country like the United
States... we're going to have to [re?]open the doors and allow
the Chinese to come in essentially as our overlords.
But listen, this is not about racism. It's about nationalism.
I'm being told... I keep thinking inside, I keep thinking, oh,
it's us against the Chinese, and this contact of mine is saying,
you've got to get outside this human-versus-human paradigm,
because the Chinese are being controlled
Li Ka-shing out of Hong
Kong. He's the most richest person in all of Asia, and he's a
part of this Illuminati bloodline.
He owns the Chinese communist
government. He practically owns the Chinese military. Another
scary fact that he told me, is that Chinese military has 200
million men, whereas the combined forces of the United States
alone is barely at 500,000 men and women. That's a scary
thought. In 2007, they demonstrated that they could essentially
blast a satellite out of low-Earth orbit. And that was a
demonstration to us, because they know that we're developing
this new project, which I will tell you about later.
that low-Earth orbiting defense project that I was talking
about, that this person from Lockheed Martin informed me of.
It's a very important project. The other thing, is that they
demonstrated that their stealth technology is now as
sophisticated as our own, that they sailed into the central...
They used one of their submarines to penetrate a classified
naval exercise, and then they bragged about it afterwards, and
it scared the hell out of our military brass, because now they
They're almost on equal footing with us.
Anthony: So, there's a lot of information that I have here, but
I need to put it into the proper context.
Kerry: Okay. But, we are recording this, Anthony, and this is an
opportunity to at least open the doors in this regard. And I'm
very interested, because some of your information is
cross-correlating with my whistleblower testimony. So, that
makes it all the more important, because if there is indeed an
invading race of beings who are controlling the Chinese, then
people need to know about that. And...
Anthony: The reason why, the reason why they selected the
Chinese is (1) they met all the prerequisites [with you]; (2)
the Chinese - remember, this is all being done to facilitate an
arrival event, an arrival event.
end of 2012 is, we're
going to see... we're going to see a mass landing of these E.T.
visitors. Okay? Now, here's the thing - 2012 marks the
execution phase for this arrival plan, and it's going to
culminate in 2015. Now, I'm hearing two stories here so far,
though. There are two possible outcomes.
So far, I've heard that
the first one, is that they're going to
enact a depopulation
campaign to bring the world's population down to 500 million.
Bear in mind that the Chinese military alone is 200 million. I
was told that the Chinese are going to kill their own people
first. This is what I was told. They're literally going to kill
their own people first. There's going to be plans for a 200
million-strong elitist population - these are the alien-human
hybrids. They look like us, they walk like us, they talk like
That's going... That... And then there's going to be 100
million normal humans who are going to be the slave class, for
the remain... for those... for these elitists that are going to
remain. So... the main rea...
Kerry: Okay. When you say that... All right. Let me stop you
right now, because you're making several claims here, and I need
to get a little bit more of the background behind the claims.
So, when you say there's going to be an arrival event at the end
of 2012, who told you this, and why are you convinced that this
Anthony: Because this is the one that worked at Lockheed Martin.
He worked on a project called LEONID - Low Earth Orbit Nano-Satellite
Interceptive Defense. It's a system of nano satellites that are
They are... uses alien technology. It is a
highly sophisticated and there is a fleet of ships, of small
ships, that use... telemetry that comes in from the satellite
network to protect the... essentially to protect the United
States and its allies from two things - incoming ICBMs and (2)
from - and this is what he says - from ships that are coming
into our orbit, Earth orbit, from outer space, is what I'm told.
Kerry: Okay. Well that makes sense. So, this particular engineer
obviously is... They're still alive?
Anthony: He's still alive. He's no longer part of Lockheed
AWOL. Let me tell you something. When I met with
him, I met with him outside of an abandoned McDonald's in
Montague in Mountainview, California. And there was a reason why
he took me there.
We found a parking spot, and he said, this is
the very spot where my best friend, a fellow engineer, so
ultimately shot himself in the head.
Kerry: Oh, I remember that. I remember that story, because I'm
from the Bay area, so that story stuck in my mind. That was a
very suspicious story. Yeah, okay, go on.
Anthony: That's right. So, we met there. We began talking at one
o'clock in the morning. And by four o'clock, I was over there in
the Bay area. I was driving in from Sacramento. It was
absolutely necessary that I needed to meet him in person, and
that's where we met.
So... one by one, they've been killing off
engineers. Those people that wanted to come forward. And...
people, he said, anybody that asked questions about the project
that they were developing, mysteriously disappeared, or are
So, once he realized he was next, because he
couldn't keep his mouth shut, he decided to go AWOL. So...
Kerry: Okay. Is he safe at this time?
Anthony: He is safe. He is safe. As a matter of fact, he is very
Anthony: And he also told me, he also told me, that it took them
30 years, but they have a Chinese defector who has been feeding
them information about what is happening over there in China and
what they're planning. So, this is how he got all this
information before he left that project.
Kerry: Right. Okay. So, you're saying Lockheed Martin or just
his... a group associated with him, got this defector to give
Anthony: His group within Lockheed Martin, but they worked with
the Department of Defense.
Kerry: I... Okay. Uh, wow. Well, this is very explosive
information that you're giving me here. And I have to say that,
again, it correlates with my whistleblower testimony. There is
another aspect which is on an intuitive level, that I have been
given information that the satellites are a very key... to
what's going to be happening in the future. And that the
Anthony: [There is a] danger. The reason why they're coming out
about this project - first of all, you have to ask yourself
this - why would they be disclosing the foundation of this
project, [which] supposedly is the interests of protecting us?
Well, they went kind of haywire with it, and it's no longer
exactly a safe project to be operating. These things are
self-autonomous. These craft... the craft are self-autonomous.
They use artificial intelligence to make decisions on their own.
Just take Skynet from the 'Predator' movie... or from the
Anthony: The only thing you need to understand, is that these
nano satellites are self-repairable and self-replicable.
Kerry: Wow. Okay. Yes.
Anthony: And I have all the technical specifications that you
need to know exactly how it's done. I have them all.
Kerry: You're kidding.
Anthony: No. I have all of it.
Kerry: Okay. Well, that's, that's actually... that's actually
it, I mean, right there, I have to say. Because I was given this
information about the satellites, and that actually they're
going to be shot down at a certain point. But by... right...
Anthony: Right. Do you want to know, do you want to know who
this technology came from? Dulce. It came out of Dulce. This is
part of a technology exchange program with
the greys at Dulce
who gave this technology, gave this knowledge to Lockheed Martin
and several other interested contractors, a list of who I have.
Kerry: Okay. Incredible. All right. As far as this goes, and as
far as your contact with regard to this, does he talk about the
race of beings, who they are, where they came from, anything
Anthony: Yup. This is a progenitor race that the greys
mentioned. And these are essentially the... so, now here's the
neat thing that I needed to show it to you. Remember, I
mentioned the Chinese defector? Remember, I mentioned the
Chinese defector? Hello?
Kerry: The Chinese defector?
Anthony: Yeah. Remember, I mentioned the Chinese defector that
Anthony: He told them that there is a possibility and there is a
little concern among these alien-human hybrids that when
those... these E.T., these progenitors return, that they're
actually going to kill off this alien hybrid race that is
destroying the planet.
Kerry: Why do they think that?
Anthony: What he says is that there's a strong possibility that
this progenitor race is returning to Earth. They're going to
kill off the alien-human hybrids and they're going to dismantle
all nuclear stockpiles on Earth. That they're going to prevent
us from killing ourselves and that they're not going to allow
this depopulation campaign to occur.
Listen, one of the things
that this guy told me. He said he had a conversation with this
Chinese defector before he left the program.
And the Chinese
defector for the [adopting a view?] says,
'You know, this whole
concept of we're overpopulating the world is complete bull-shit,
because if you took every human being alive and placed them in
the state of Texas, there would be enough room for them to live
Do you realize that? That's what he told this guy. So,
you have to put all of this in perspective.
He's saying that
this propaganda was being fed to all of these people who were
persuaded that all the world's being overpopulated. We have to
kill one another.
Anthony: Listen, the United States has a nuclear stockpile which
can destroy the planet many times over.
Anthony: You're aware of that. Now, when you put things in
perspective, the South Africans, the Indians, the Pakistanis,
the North Koreans, the Chinese, the English, the Israelis, the
Gee, how many countries have nuclear stockpiles? So,
he... but he says that this Chinese is giving him information
that's saying that they're now thinking of turning this
technology or commandeering this leading edge technology.
Chinese are trying to figure out a way to commandeer this
technology away from the United States. And use it, to possibly,
in the event that these arriving progenitors are going to kill
them off, they'll use it against them. So, it's just a weird
complex web of information.
greys were created by
Anthony: Who's to say that's there is not a backdoor system in
place with this LEONID project, which is technology that's been
given to the U.S. defense contractors and [is hatching out of
the thins for this fabulous?] whole project.
Maybe the greys
are... maybe they'll say that these arriving parties, they're
going to be able to commandeer it or... I don't know. There's
just so much information. I have all of it and I'm compiling it
right now. I'm going to try and get this information out in two
Kerry: Okay. Now, this whole subject is... gone from the Dulce
subject to the Chinese and to this race of beings, etc., which
you're calling the 'progenitors,' which is, again... This is
what your colonel... Isn't it... Wasn't he a colonel that you...
your witness in your book, 'UFO Highway' was talking about, as
Kerry: He referred to them as 'progenitors.' Isn't that right?
Anthony: That's right. That's right.
Kerry: Okay. But at this point, this is okay to release as part
of this interview that we're doing right here?
Kerry: Okay. Okay. Is there anything else about this race of
beings that you know, that we could include here, that would
clarify their relationship with the Chinese and possibility what
they may be planning and the timing of it.
Anthony: Well, I know that at the end of 2012, is when this mass
landing is supposed to occur. This is what I'm being told. And
there's nothing we can do about it and it's going to happen.
That's what I'm being told. It will mark the execution phase of
this plan for this arrival event and it will culminate by 2015.
Kerry: Okay. Who will land?
Anthony: These progenitors. These ann... Why don't you just call
Kerry: Okay. What do they look like? Do you know?
Anthony: I don't know. I don't know. The colonel gave me inf...
The colonel gave me information with what the progenitors are
supposed to [look like]. That's all I have to go on.
Kerry: Okay. This, this sort of... I don't know. Is LEONID the
top secret name of the Lockheed Martin program for these
low-Earth orbiting satellite, nano satellites? Is that right?
Anthony: Yes. Yeah, I believe it. Yeah.
Kerry: Okay. But you do know that this is the name of the man
who supposedly, who was... and we believe, a plant anyway, who
Anthony: No. I did not know that.
Kerry: Yeah. And that that supposedly Elenin is also associated
with LEONID. So... I don't know what the status [is] on Elenin.
I have to get in touch with
Richard Hoagland, who I'm going to
be talking with shortly. But he's going to be very, very
interested to hear that the code name of this particular project
Kerry: That actually... That may be a key to unlocking what this
which is a craft, LEONID, a planetoid, a directed
planetoid. Whether it was destroyed, split in half, whether it's
still in our solar system or not, I don't know. I know it
supposedly still is. But...
Anthony: Well, LEONID is a multi-faceted weapon system. It's
a... It comprises many parts. There's not just one part to it.
You have this nano satellite network. You have the parent
satellite network called 'MOTHER,' which is above it, which
provides resources to the nano satellites.
I'll explain more of that to you at a later time. There is
the X-47B type craft that
they are using called 'interceptors.' Remember
the X-37B, when
it went into orbit? This is a scale model of the space shuttle
that is owned by the Air Force. Do you recall that?
Anthony: [What was that?]
Kerry: Could you repeat that?
Anthony: Yeah. There was a scale model... view of a craft. It
looks like a scale model of a space shuttle. It's called the
X-37B. It's spent 287 days in low-Earth orbit. Do you recall
that? It's owned by the Air Force. Do you want me to tell you
what it was doing out there for 287 days?
Kerry: Okay, yes.
Anthony: You could take a guess as to what it was doing up there
for 287 days.
Kerry: So, you're suggesting that perhaps it was... I don't
Anthony: Deploying... It was deploying the basis for the nano
satellite network. Yes, it was.
Kerry: The bases... the bases...?
Anthony: I met a woman... I met a woman...
Kerry: Okay, wait one second.
Anthony: ...in [Kirtland]...
Kerry: Okay. Wait one second. It was deploying the 'bases' for
the nano satellite network? You mean, in other words...
Anthony: Yes. The basis. The foundation. The groundwork for the
nano satellite network. It's not the nano satellites themselves.
Kerry: Okay. Is it possible that there are space platforms that
are... were put in place, as well?
Anthony: Yes. There's a parent... There's a parent network of
satellites called 'MOTHER' already up there, [which] I believe
provide resources and materials for these nano satellites which
are self-replicated or self-repairable.
Kerry: Okay. When you're talking about this, you were just about
to say that you met a woman. Can you continue?
Anthony: I met a woman whose husband was a software engineer
also, at Lockheed Martin. He was part of the program. He is now
missing. Before he went missing, he had told his wife that they
had successfully launched the nano satellite network that he was
developing. He was working on the low-level language stuff of
these nano satellites. So that they can communicate.
Kerry: Okay. Is it...
Kerry: Is it possible, are you still in touch with her? Would
she want to go on the record or not?
Anthony: No. No. She is completely out of the picture.
Anthony: She's gone.
Kerry: Okay. And what about her husband? Has he been found? Is
he missing permanently? How long has he been gone?
Anthony: My source says he's dead.
Anthony: And this has been since 2009. Right? So, while [the
progenitors are] returning, maybe the greys - I don't know,
we're we so stupid, that we're accepting technology from these greys for this critical defense system, that weíre going to put
it into orbit and not expect that there might be some type of a
backdoor entry, for whoever's arriving, to understand the
technology and how to take it over and use it against us?
Kerry: Absolutely. Well, that's... That's all very true.
Anthony: We need to be... Yeah, we need to be aware of that. So,
I mean, it's important that we understand what games that we're
possibly [putting] getting ourselves in.
Kerry: Okay. Well, let me again bring out
a whistleblower, 'Mr.
We called him 'Mr. X.' He actually died suddenly of a heart
attack, a year or two ago, and he was a person who had
He had worked for a military company in which he
was correlating data from their records that, basically, the
data led to the fact that the greys were here, that we... our
military was interacting with them, and that there was - he
said - that they said there was an event coming in 2012, that
was kind of a landing event.
So, that is another piece of
information that you're revealing, that cross-correlates with
one of our whistleblowers. Now, we believe that he was taken
out. This is not commonly known, but it is something that we
have mentioned on occasion.
And now, what you're saying actually
leads me to believe that this is the reason he was taken out, is
because he had this information.
Anthony: [I always thought he knew.] And this is the reason why
I called you tonight, Kerry. Somebody did something to me. My
face is paralyzed, and it's not Bell's Palsy. It's not from a
stroke. I don't have any infection of any kind that could cause
this. Somebody did something to me. The blood tests are positive
that I have been subjected to some type of a neurological
Doctors are telling me they can't even identify it.
If it were rat poison or wasp poison or something,
commercial-grade, they would be able to identify it from its
chemical signature. What I have in my system, they don't know
what the hell it is, but they know it's attacking the nerves of
It makes me think back to this Ukrainian president that was
subjected to some type of poison or something. But I think it
happened just recently. [ed. note
Ukrainian president was
poisoned on 9-5-2004] I think it was the Ukrainian president.
Kerry: Okay. Uh... [sighs]. Okay. So, I am going to try to find
help for you, right away, and in the meantime, I will try
actually to release this. And I believe I need to go back.
not the greatest audio editor in the world, but I will go back
and try to take out the piece that you've asked me to take out.
In the meantime, if people want to reach you, how can they reach
you, in order to contact you in regard to healers they may
have... they may know of, etc., etc.?
Anthony: Kerry, at my website, UFOHighway.com, there's a button
there that says 'contact us.' There is a secure form that
they... They're 100% anonymous. It's 100% confidential. I never
disclose their data to [anyone].
That whoever contacts me, their
privacy is paramount. So, there's a form there that they use,
that goes directly to me. It goes directly to my email, a
secured email address.
They just go to my website,
UFOHighway.com and click on the 'contact us' button, they could
Kerry: Okay. So, so, is there anything else that you want to add
here to this discussion, and if not, then what I want to say
here is that, we should do this in person, Anthony, and have
this exact same discussion with whatever else you would like, in
So, please do contact me tomorrow or as soon as you feel
able, and let's set that up.
Anthony: Yeah. It's amazing that we were able to, outside of the
Dulce periphery, listen to this whole Chinese matter so easily.
But there's a ton of Dulce data that I have still. But, and we
should do that another time. One thing I would like to point
out, is that it's November 4th right now.
By the first week of
January in 2012, I am planning to release all the information
that I have on this Chinese matter. It's a major issue. It's
holding a threat to the entire planet, and I have so much more
information that we can cover. But the first week of January, I
am releasing that information, either to my website, either to a
PDF, either to a... I don't know.
Everything that I have is
going to be made public.
Kerry: Okay. Could you please...
Anthony: Right now, someone has got something to me that is
affecting my health. I need to check out whatever is happening
to me, so that I can reach my goal of getting my information
Kerry: Okay. Could you please get that information to... You
need to send it out to 12 individuals that you trust.
Kerry: And ask them to hold onto it, that in the event that
anything happens to you, they need to go public. Okay?
Kerry: So, these should be as high-profile and as trust-worthy
individuals as you can possibly come across, but you should do
that immediately, if you haven't already done so.
Anthony: I'll do it soon.
Anthony: Soon as possible. Soon as possible.
Kerry: Okay, thank you. Well, Anthony, I'd love to see you get
healed right away from this nerve agent or whatever it is that
you've come in contact with. In the meantime, I think that this
kind of dialogue between researchers is so important, because
you see how we can cross-correlate the information that we've
got, because when it's unsubstantiated, it stands alone.
when you start getting multiple witnesses coming forward from
completely different directions, and they all say the same
thing, then people have to sit up and take notice.
Anthony: That's right. That's right. That's right. So, thank
Kerry: All right. You take care. And let's be in touch.
Anthony: Awesome. Thank you. Talk to you soon. Bye bye.
Kerry: Okay. Bye bye.