- Hereís an interview with an
individual named Andy Pero. I met Pero personally through
Preston Nichols, author of several books about the Montauk
Project which Nichols was personally involved in.
- A section of our book
"PHOENIX UNDEAD: The Montauk Project And Camp Hero
Today" featured an autobiographical sketch by Pero,
identified by the pseudonym íMr. Coffee" in the book.
- Hereís more recent information
from the survivor of horrendous
mind control programming
directly connected to the infamous Montauk Project operations;
activities which also included some of the most advanced
experimental work into relativistic and quantum physics which
has ever been done, including interdimensional and time travel
- In particular, Peroís comments
and insights about what he was involved in at Montauk, such as
with the so-called íMontauk chair," are extremely
interesting and provide additional, fresh insight into this most
extraordinary and concept-shattering project and the technology
- An exclusive interview with
Andy Pero, survivor of a secret mind control project aimed at
creating the super soldier with psionic abilities.
- by Eve Frances Lorgen, M.A
- Andy Pero was unwillingly
subjected to a
mind control program off-shoot the Monarch
Project-a trauma based mind control program similar to what
Cathy Oí Brien describes in her autobiography by Mark Philips,
"Tranceformation of America".
- Andy Pero claims to have been
created through a combination of genetic manipulation, trauma
based mind control and Silva Mind Control training resulting in
superhuman feats and psionic abilities. In addition to this, Mr.
Pero alleges to have been unwittingly used in covert
assassinations as a Manchurian Candidate and also in missions
connected to the Montauk Project, such as time travel.
- Andy Pero first went public with
his story in August of 1998 as a special guest of Preston
Nichols while at a lecture series hosted by Bob Eure of
Philadelphia, PA. I was so astounded with Andyís testimony, that
I interviewed him personally so that his story could be shared
with readers of Unknown Magazine. For those who are unfamiliar
with me, I have worked for ten years investigating and
counseling UFO experiencers, abductees and occasionally
survivors of various forms of anomalous trauma, such as ritual
abuse and mind control. Because of my background in alien
abductions, paranormal, the occult and anomalous trauma, I
recognized Andy as an extraordinary survivor of trauma based
mind control, one whose story should not remain hidden.
Andy, where are you from originally and when did your training
I was born in Fallon, Nevada in November of 1969. My father was
a Lieutenant Commander at the Fallon Naval Air Station in Nevada
at the time. I believe my first experiences began by the time I
was two and a half years old. At five years old my family lived
in Munich, Germany and I remember attending two distinct
Kindergarten classes, on in German that was located on or near
McGraw Army Troop Army Base, and another Kindergarten in
- I have flashback memories of
torture sessions as early as age two where I was subjected to
shock treatments with needles inserted in my ears and genitalia.
What they (the controllers/handlers) do is use extreme trauma to
separate the mind from the body. They do this to split the mind
into several parts that can later be programmed to do
things-like superhuman feats. Basically, they disconnect all of
the normal human brain impulses, emotions and whatever is
normally present, then reprogram in new ones. They do this to
remove all fear, so that when they program in new abilities, you
will not have the instinctual, "but I canít, Iím
afraid..." response. They program you to do, not think. In
essence, they treat and program your mind as if it was a
Who are the people running these secret programs like the
Monarch and Montauk Projects, and where do they conduct their
Our own government. One of my handlers-who tried to brainwash me
into believing that he was my father--was basically a Nazi. I
nicknamed him Adolph because he is very Aryan looking.
- After WW2 many Nazi scientists
were brought over to the US through our own Intelligence
community who formerly worked in mind control research in the
concentration camps. I believe they are a remnant of the Nazi
party working in conjunction with different branches of the US
government and the military.
- Much of my training and torture
sessions were done right at the University of Rochester, NY.
They used to take me to a private room in the attic or top floor
of the library. The big lab where I had most of the programming
done to me was at the Rome National Air Base in Rome, NY. I have
also been used in the Montauk chair while at Camp Hero, Montauk, L.I. and also in a chair in Atlanta, GA at Dobbins Air Force
- The Montauk facility located in
Camp Hero, L.I. was reopened by the Department of the Navy and
is active to this day.
- Basically there are underground
bases located across the country. Each one has a different
function and specialty. There is a facility in Rochester, NY,
Paramus, NJ, Dobbins Air Force Base in Atlanta, GA, Camp Hero in
Montauk, L.I. and many others. In the Paramus, NJ facility is
where they do the sex programming for many of the female agents.
For the most part, 99% of them are involuntary sex agents and
couriers who were raised in various mind control projects.
What were some of the things the mind control programmers made
I remember my mother enrolling me in a Silva Mind Control course
when I was ten. It is a type of self-hypnosis where you learn to
go to different levels of your mind to do self-healing,
relaxation, visualization, bending spoons with the power of your
mind, things like that. This is also the time when I saw two
peculiar military men, who would periodically visit me
throughout my childhood, especially sporting events. I did
exceptionally well at Silva Mind Control (and sports), so much
so that the two military men approached me and said, "I
hear you have some very special abilities. Someday you will work
for us." At the time I didnít understand, but later the two
men figured prominently in all the training I had up all the way
through my college years. Of course I didnít realize this until
my memories came back. I did very well at sports and
demonstrated a genius IQ, but I stuttered so badly until I was
in my twenties, that everyone just thought I was a dumb jock.
The stuttering was due to all the electroshock treatments.
- I recall being subjected to
electroshock numerous times, being placed in an enclosed water
tank and told to breathe underwater. Consequently, I drowned
several times and would revive because of my self-created
healing pool in my mind. I learned to create my own mental
laboratory through Silva Mind Control, replete with a super
powerful healing pool that could heal any injury. I was forced
to endure suffering beyond belief to accomplish superhuman feats
of strength and survival.
Tell me more about the various superhuman abilities you
discovered you had.
The trainers would put me into a trance whereby Iíd be told I
could jump off a ladder of minimal height. In my mind, I
believed that I was only jumping off a footstool or a short
ledge. In actuality, I was progressively led to jump higher and
higher heights to the point of successfully jumping off
buildings and even out of planes without a parachute.
- When under mind control, I could
do whatever I was instructed to do as long as I believed them. I
would do 200 or more push ups in perfect form, sometimes as long
as a half hour straight, or until I was told to stop. I weight
lifted 545 lbs. on a barbell and squats while attending college
and much more (500-1500 lb.) while I was under the mind control
in the training laboratory not far from Rochester, NY.
- In my jumps, it was as if I was
falling like a cat, calm and cool with no fear, focusing like a
laser only on the landing.
Are there others like yourself who have had similar training and
I think there are thousands of other children and people who are
used and many end up missing. Many die in the process. They are
considered expendable. The ones who can survive the most
rigorous programming live on to become what are known as the
Montauk boys. Duncan Cameron is such a person. In general, the
boys and young men are trained to be couriers, assassins and
super soldiers and even psychic killers. The women are mostly
used as sex agents. Cathy Oí Brienís story is an example.
What kinds of special missions or time travel experiments do you
remember taking part in?
There were times I remember being at the small Rochester
airport, being picked up in an F-16 fighter plane and ending up
in some southwestern desert terrain either for special military
training and obstacle courses or assassination missions. I
remember seeing other men in black t-shirts and pants on the
same training course at one time. Other times I found myself on
some aircraft carrier out at sea. After the mission they would
take me back and I would return to college after a couple of
days or even hours not remembering what even happened. All of
these missions were done between the time I was 15 years old and
until 1988-1992 under deep hypnotic programming with the
memories erased, until of some of my memories started to return.
- I was also taught to handle
various types of guns, loading, cleaning, special
characteristics of each model and firing at exact targets
repeatedly and perfectly without thinking, just doing.
Tell me more about your involvement in the Montauk Project.
I was involved in an off shoot of the Montauk Project called the
Montauk chair. Basically the Montauk chair was developed to give
the human and spirit a zero point of reference to facilitate
time travel. What the chair essentially does is separate the
mind from the body. The chair operatorís thoughts and
vibrational energy is picked up by umbrella looking antennas
above the chair, sent to a computer, over to a processor, then
amplified several hundred times. The information is sent to a
network of free energy crystals arranged in a circle. Then
whatever thoughts were amplified, i.e., a time period, a
wormhole would open up in the room. The wormhole was as large as
16-18 feet across and even large enough for a truck to go
- In Camp Hero, Montauk, the
location is the cross hairs of the earthís biorhythms and is the
point on earth where time travel is most easily accomplished
when earth is the point of origin.
- My part of the Montauk chair
project was to use my focused visualization skills to think of
specific time points in history that were assigned to me. The
chair is connected to a sophisticated computer system and
thought amplifier, such that when a thought or time period is
visualized, the computer simulates a time portal based on that
point in time. A series of time portals are done until a library
of time periods and portals are accumulated.
- The chair is also used to amplify
extremely focused thoughts to create three-dimensional
materializations based on the operators thoughts.
Nichols wrote several books on the Montauk Project and describes
an incident in which Duncan Cameron created a monster while in
the Montauk chair.
- One such time travel mission was
called Project Southern Cross. It was used to win WW2 in favor
of the allies. What the US government did using time travel was
to go back in time to the 1940ís to help us win the war. We
would deliver communication devices, weapons and technologies
made out of 1940ís parts. These would be delivered to the 1940ís
along with a complete set of drawings on how to make them out of
1940ís parts. I took part in several of these deliveries, one
time I was sent to Germany and another time to England. I was
not allowed to speak to anyone, other than deliver my parcel and
quickly return back to our time. And this was all done under
deep hypnotic programming, so I didnít have a lot of freedom to
explore. I was gone no longer than two hours for the deliveries.
Have you ever encountered any extraterrestrials or seen any
aliens in any of your underground base memories?
From what I understand the Department of the Navy made an
agreement with the alien Greys to exchange technologies for
human women and children to conduct horrific breeding
experiments. This is what is going on right now in an
underground base not far from Miami, Florida. One of my most
disturbing memories is being escorted down a hallway in this
underground lab and seeing cages of chickenwire fencing with
women and children screaming for help. I have seen Grey aliens
(the 4-foot tall ones with large black eyes) and also 7-foot
reptilian beings in some of my experiences. I have been
told that I have many children from alien breeding experiments.
I have had abductions with the Greys also.
- On one occasion I was introduced
to a Reptilian being while in an underground base sometime in
1989-90. At first I saw a 7-foot tall human Ayran looking man.
He walks towards me and I notice that his image phases out as if
something interfered with an energy field. He does something to
a device on his belt and tells me, "OK, Iíll show
you." He then pushes some button and then I see his image
change into a 7-foot tall lizard like creature who looked like
he weighed over 400 lb.
- I was introduced to a group of
beings that claimed to be a sub group of
the Illuminati. They
were made up of a group of about 40-50 men, all 6í 2" or
taller, white, and of an indeterminate older age, averaging 70,
but I suspect much older considering the technology they have
access to. They convened in a boardroom that I believe was in an
underground base, perhaps Camp Hero, Montauk. They sat around a
large football shaped table made of wood. Each high backed chair
had a light at the tip and each sitting had a TV type of screen
and control panel that came out from the table. There was a
huge screen located in the front of the room as well. I have
reason to believe that not all of the Illuminati are human, but
in actuality are alien beings that appear to look human.
Who or what groups do you think are running the show here in the
US or even on Earth? How do the aliens fit into all of this?
It is very complicated, but basically there are four main
versions or groups of the
New World Order, all with slightly
- - The first group comprises the US and Western
Europe (i.e., England, Germany, France and the US).
- - The second
group is Eastern Europe fused with Western Europe and the US.
- - The third group is the countries of the Orient, and the fourth
is the Middle Eastern-Saudia Arabian elements and all the oil
- There are also off world groups (aliens and future human
Naziís types called Zardanians, Reptilians, Greys and
who also have a hand in the NWO plans. For the time being, the
old money groups of Europe and England have teamed up with die
hard Nazi factions, Jews and Americans forming the group that
has been always been known as the Illuminati and affiliated
secret societies. This large international group controls the
media, police force, military, etc. The Illuminati is also part
of the NWO plan, which includes members such as George Bush,
Prince Charles and other high ranking people.
- As for the aliens, I think most
of the alien Greys are either under the authority of or in
collaboration with the Reptilians, Dracos and the Illuminati,
based on some of my experiences and memories that are still
returning to me. Some Grey groups are in conflict with the
Reptilian/Draco agenda and are doing their own thing (human/grey
hybridization programs) so to speak. Their agenda gets into
heavy spiritual matters having to do with acquiring an emotional
body and an ability to ascend to higher dimensions. They are
using humans to accomplish this via the human/alien hybrids.
Humans have the key in terms of having a threefold essence or
unity of being, physical, emotional and spiritual. Other aliens
have lost this unity of being (because of the fall from grace),
thus inhibiting them from ascending to higher dimensions, or
evolving to higher levels. This gets back to the original Luciferic rebellion,
fallen angels and the various conflicts
When did you start remembering your memories? How did or can you
break the programming they install?
Some of my first memories surfaced while I was living with a
roommate in Atlanta, GA back in 1996. We went to the bowling
alley and I saw a large sign in the shape of a man dressed like
a Rhino advertising, "Bowl with Rhino balls." This
triggered me into remembering that "Rhino" is the name
my Nazi handlers called me. My roommate overheard me say outloud, "Iím Rhino-they called me Rhino." He got
excited and immediately asked me, "Where did you hear
that?" He had a grave look of concern on his face and kept
questioning me. By his reaction, I realized later that all along
he was one of my hired programmers and handlers. The initial
triggered memory that surfaced was a flashback of me being
electrocuted and shocked and screaming in pain in one of my
numerous torture sessions.
- Then after that first memory,
other memories started leaking through. It was like my mind was
dammed up and the subconscious memories were starting to leak
through. My mind controller programmers deliberately built a
wall around my memories so that I wouldnít remember. When I
started recalling bits and pieces, Iíd write notes to myself and
hide them. Then Iíd find my notes, after I had forgotten
everything because my roommate was catching on that I was
remembering. So he would repeatedly put me in trances, erase my
memories and Iíd forget what I had just remembered. But then
everything came crashing down, because I deliberately hid notes
and pretended that I didnít know to my roommate. I had thought
he was a friend and it turned out he was just hired to be
another controller and handler to keep me in the program.
- I recall that in the past I did
not even remember my dreams for ten years. But now things are
coming back. I am working on purifying the body to help clear my
mind and get my abilities back.
How do they keep control overall these people who have been and
are still in mind control projects?
The essence of their control tactics is of splitting the mind at
a young age. This entails a process of trauma, torture,
degradation and humiliation of the subject. The process is
different for each individual, but in essence they go to your
subconscious mind and find out what the most personal parts of
you are. Then they essentially use this against you to break you
down and rip your mind apart. What happens is this: An
individual who possesses special mental abilities is selected at
a very young age. (Very often they are from military families or
from multigenerational Satanic ritual abuse families - EL) Then
they are subjected to various stages of terror and horror to
begin to separate them from their own minds. It is a process of
progressive dissociation and compartmentalization of the mind
- They control your mind through
various complicated hypnosis techniques and commands until they
create the perfect Manchurian Candidate. (See
Speech by D.C. Hammond) They program you to do something, then
erase the memory. Basically they program your mind as if it were
a computer. Once they install the magic word, all they have to
do is say it and youíre under their control. This happens from
an early age so it is easier to control them if they are
conditioned and dissociated into several personalities.
- Another method of control is that
they send in special people in your lives, handlers and
controllers who pose as friends, teachers,
"deprogrammers", roommates, lovers, etc. who are
actually operatives for the mind control projects. Some are
sleeper operatives who donít even know they are being used to a
certain extent. It makes it hard to trust anyone at this point.
Is there anything else you can say about these projects or
advice to others who have gone through similar experiences, like
how they can be set free from its influence?
For those who want to get out of the influence of the programs
of mind control, you must have a strong fighting instinct to do
what is right regardless of what others are doing. Your only
cage is the one you build for yourself. You must connect with
your highest self to break the evil that is all around us, and
not succumb to doing evil just because everyone else is doing
it. Retain your fundamental sense of right and wrong.
- It all goes back to the
basic conflict basic good and evil. It is like the dark forces
in power of the planet at this time are trying to cheat their
way into heaven or higher dimensions.
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