by Michael E. Salla, Ph.D
On October 8, 2008, I met with the original source that disclosed
that a secret meeting had been held at
the United Nations
headquarters in New York City on February 12 to discus UFOs and
The original source, Source A, discussed
the most recent developments concerning secret meetings conducted
under UN auspices to discuss UFOs and extraterrestrial life. The
October 8 meeting was attended by Source A, Clay and Shawn
Pickering (who kindly set up the meeting) and Bob Vanderclock.
I spent a total of 4.5 hours discussing the UN meetings and related
issues with Source A, and others present.
Source A was dressed in full US Navy
uniform with identifying insignia including name and rank. He showed
me his military I.D. which confirmed his name, rank and pay scale.
His I.D. card was valid for a three year period and had a vertical
barcode on the left hand side next to his photo.
He subsequently showed me an album filled with photos, military
patches and cards that represented his various assignments and
awards since first joining the US Navy in the 1960s. He explained
each of the pages inside of his album to all present. The material
he showed conclusively proved that he was an electronics warfare
specialist with the US Navy.
With all the documentation presented and
his full dress Navy uniform, it was clear that he is a serving US
Navy officer willing to discuss sensitive information concerning
UFOs and extraterrestrial life. From his careful and precise choice
of language, clarity of expression, demeanor, eye-contact and other
non-verbal cues, Source A appeared very personable and sincere in
the information he was disclosing.
Source A said that as far as his military superiors in the normal
chain of command are concerned, they are aware of his role in
leaking sensitive information. They have a tacit policy of not
wanting to know what he is doing, and are not taking action to
prevent him disclosing the sensitive information. It was understood
that getting national media exposure would force the Navy to take
That is one of the main reasons why the
identity of Source A has not been publicly released. He has however
agreed to be physically interviewed and shown his credentials to the
During the meeting, Source A disclosed that he continues to work
under the direction of a US Navy admiral who is in command of the
controlled leak of the meetings occurring under UN auspices. This
admiral was unnamed and is not part of the official chain of
military command for Source A, but is his superior in covert
operations that have need-to-know security status.
Thus it's important to emphasize that
Source A's disclosures are not part of official US Navy policy, but
is orchestrated by a covert operations group comprising senior Navy
officials (admirals) and others.
In this article, I will discuss three aspects of what Source A
revealed concerning the UN meetings at our October 8 meeting:
continued meetings under UN
physical threats to prevent
diplomatic disclosure of the UN meetings
role of international
After the initial meeting on February 12, 2008, disclosed by Source
A (not including the February 13-14 meeting disclosed by
Gilles Lorant) there have been an additional three meetings attended by
Source A. Another two meetings were held without Source A after he
had been reassigned. Source A was replaced by another military
officer who he has yet to meet.
The same US Navy admiral remained in
control of the US delegation even though he didn't attend the
additional meetings. All five additional meetings (point 2 to 6
below) involved military
representatives from member UN nations that attended the February 12
meeting with important additions and changes in personnel in
attendance. All but the first were held outside of the UN
headquarters and involved military officials.
The composition, origin and diplomatic
briefing responsibility of those attending the meetings does invite
referring to them as a series of 'UN inspired meetings concerning
Four additional meetings were held in
Upstate New York. Upstate NY
was chosen in order to have a more secure environment to that
available at the UN due to the sensitive nature of the material
discussed. Upstate NY also provided a more conducive environment for
reaching consensus on issues that proved to be contentious at the
original February 12 meeting.
According to Source A, the February 12 meeting was a diplomatic
There were too many senior diplomatic officials involved and
discussions quickly became politicized. The US Navy admiral in
charge of Source A's controlled leak of information on the UN
meetings, along with other senior diplomatic officials at the
ambassadorial rank and senior military officials attended the
February 12 meeting. The admiral continues to be in charge of the US
delegation to all subsequent meetings emerging from the first UN
Source A says he travelled to Europe after the February 12 meeting
to find the right military people for the forthcoming meetings to be
held at Upstate NY. He went to every country in Europe in order to
find out who was hostile and who was ambivalent concerning
disclosure of extraterrestrial life.
It was decided that no further meetings were required at the UN
since key players were known, and they could be invited to Upstate
NY for additional meetings. All invited to the Upstate NY meetings
were military liaisons of UN member states. These involved middle
ranking officers since consensus was more likely to occur without
senior diplomats who had the tendency to politicize discussions.
It was decided that having middle
ranking military liaisons would help keep a low profile on the
difficult negotiations required for a coordinated international
response to extraterrestrial life. All military liaison personnel at
the Upstate NY meetings would brief senior officials in their
respective diplomatic corps at the UN.
Source A said that that various nations were either in favor or
opposed to a coordinated international disclosure effort.
emphasized that the US Navy has always been pro-disclosure and due
to its leading role in policy issues concerning
life and the UN meetings, made the US pro-disclosure.
along with Britain was also in favor of disclosure. Britain, however, asked that the US
should lead the effort.
Germany, Saudi Arabia and Islamic countries
more generally were hostile to disclosure.
Source A said India was
"impossible to deal with".
Military liaison(s) from China attended
all the Upstate NY meetings (though not the original February 12
meeting) and said that the US should "pay for disclosure". According
to Source A this was a considerable point of contention.
The subsequent meetings at Upstate NY were chaired by different
Source A was the highest ranking US
officer at the first three post-February 12 meetings held at Upstate
NY until he was replaced for the last two which were held
respectively in Upstate NY and an undisclosed location in Europe.
The second UN UFO/ET meeting
(the first held at Upstate NY) was held from March 24-26 and
was chaired by the military liaison from Britain. Source A
revealed that this was very productive in terms of
consensus, goals and vision. A table of contents concerning
key issues to be discussed was produced which presumably
would help guide future discussions. This meeting lasted the
full three days that were scheduled. China was present at
the 2nd and subsequent meetings at Upstate NY and Europe.
The third UN UFO/ET meeting
(second at Upstate NY) was chaired by the senior military
liaison from France. According to Source A, this meeting was
a disaster. This meeting ran from May 19-21 and focused on
economic issues that was revealed in
earlier communication released by Clay and Sean Pickering.
This meeting lasted three days.
The fourth UN UFO/ET meeting was
chaired by the senior US military liaison which was Source
A. An attempt was made to find neutral territory, but was
unsuccessful. This meeting again, according to Source A, was
a disaster. It lasted only one day from the three scheduled.
The meeting occurred just prior to Source A leaving for
another covert assignment at the end of May 2008.
Source A emphasized that the US Navy (and Marines) has
always been focused on overall policy issues concerning
extraterrestrials, while the USAF handled contact with
extraterrestrial life. The US Army, Department of Energy and
Department of Homeland Security have been responsible for
security and bases. This is corroborated by reports that
extraterrestrials had in the past
showed up USAF bases to deal with representatives of the
whistleblower reports confirm that Army forces have been
enforcing security at bases
involving extraterrestrial related projects.
Source A said that USAF has handed off to the US Navy
responsibility for a specific contact project involving the
extraterrestrials discussed in the
February 12 meeting. That means that US Navy has
begun to play a role in both setting policy and contact with
at least one form of extraterrestrial life.
The fifth UN UFO/ET meeting was
attended by the replacement of Source A whose identity has
not been revealed. This meeting was again held in Upstate
NY. According to the US Navy admiral in overall charge of
the US delegation (led by Source A's replacement) the
meeting was cordial.
The sixth meeting was held
outside of the US (in Europe) for security reasons.
According to the admiral, those involved in the European
meeting were "doing good work"
Source A emphasized that the military liaisons at this
series of UN inspired meetings were trying to get agreement
on how to nations ought to respond to the prospect of
extraterrestrial vehicles appearing over countries. It's
worth pointing out that this is the same scenario that was
debated in the Japanese parliament in December 2007.
to the Japanese Minister of Defense making a statement (see
below insert) concerning how the Japanese self defense force
might respond to such a scenario.
Defense Minister troubled over
legal issues if UFO arrives
Defense Minister Shigeru Ishiba said Thursday
that he was troubled over potential legal issues if a
UFO arrives in Japan, requiring action by the
Self-Defense Forces, Japanese media reports.
The subject was triggered by a question from
oppositional lawmaker Ryuji Yamane, who argued
the government should attempt to confirm what UFOs are
because of “frequent observations” of them in Japan.
“There are no grounds
for us to deny that there are unidentified flying
objects (UFOs) and some life-form that controls
them,” Ishiba said at a news conference. “Various
possibilities should be considered.“
Ishiba noted that in the
classical Godzilla movies, Japan deployed its military
against the monster.
“Few discussions have
been made on what the legal grounds were for that,”
the minister said, drawing laughter from reporters,
according to an AFP report.
Ishiba said it would be
difficult to determine on what legal grounds the
Self-Defense Forces could be mobilized if a UFO
violating Japanese airspace is not hostile.
“Would that be
mobilization for an act of defense? That would not
be the case if they say, ‘Everyone on the Earth, let
us be friends,”‘ Ishiba said. “Or what can we do
when we can’t figure out what they’re saying?”
Ishiba was quoted as saying by Kyodo News.
The minister added that he
was strictly speaking his own views and that the
ministry was not actually working out ways to deal with
The government officially took the position Tuesday that
the existence of UFOs are unconfirmed.
Chief Cabinet Secretary
Nobutaka Machimura drew headlines around the world
when he after the conference stated he was a firm
believer in UFOs, citing Peru’s
Nazca Lines as
Source A said further that the admiral
in charge of the covert disclosure process revealed the talking
points for the last two meetings held without Source A's attendance.
These included the following:
"What if [extraterrestrial]
spacecraft start making demands?"
"If they [extraterrestrials] do
make demands, what should be our responses as a collective
If the craft appear without any
hostile intent, there should be agreement that no hostile
action is taken by any nation.
That NATO should take whatever
measures necessary to ensure no hostile response is taken in
response to the appearance of any ETV occurs.
International Banking systems
should keep operating with
minimal disruption to economic
How to ensure the global
distribution of extraterrestrial knowledge and technology.
According to Source A, point six was the
most difficult issue in the discussions.
Threats to UN
I raised the issue of two independent reports that diplomats had
been physically threatened to remain silent about UN discussions on
UFOs and extraterrestrial life. I emphasized that one of the sources
involved a senior European diplomat that had relayed that the
physical threats were genuine and diplomats were being silenced.
Source A mentioned that one of the reasons that the UN had been
chosen was that the diplomatic community is very good at leaking
information. This was an important consideration in the controlled
leakage initiated by the admiral and other senior Navy officials "to
gauge the responses." In particular, they wanted to see the public
response to the UN disclosures, and also the media response.
The choice of UN ambassadors to receive
the information was a strategic choice to help move forward the
disclosure process. All ambassadors were fully briefed by their
military liaisons on what transpired at the Upstate NY and European
meetings. The Ambassadors were therefore an important part of the
controlled leak and the covert Navy group is very interested in any
threats made against them that impacts on the disclosure process.
Source A said that the world is hostile to extraterrestrial
disclosure, that's what the US Navy's covert group is finding out.
They are trying to find out where the hostility is coming from and
whether it can be neutralized and reduced.
Source A confirmed the independent reports that UN diplomats were
being threatened not to reveal to the public anything about the
secret UN meetings discussing extraterrestrial life. Source A got
his confirmation from unauthorized sources that he pointed out were
more accurate than authorized sources. Unauthorized sources involved
covert intelligence operations, and that Source A's counterparts
from the British M.O.D. were involved.
The covert Navy group behind the UN disclosures is trying to track
down the source of the threats to the UN diplomats.
So far these have been traced to
The Role of
I asked Source A if he was familiar with the
Admiral Wilson incident where in 1997 in a
meeting with Dr Stephen Greer and Dr Edgar
Mitchell, Wilson was given codes to classified extraterrestrial
Dr Mitchell recently commented in an
interview (see below insert) about the incident substantially
confirming what Greer had earlier disclosed.
Admiral: Never looked for UFO data
Published: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 4:07 p.m.
Last Modified: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 4:14 p.m.
A former high-ranking
military intelligence official rumored to have been
snubbed in his attempts to obtain sheltered UFO data
insists he never even bothered to look for it.
“Never,” retired Rear Adm. Thomas R. Wilson replied
Tuesday when asked if he’d ever been barred from
retrieving classified material, exotic or otherwise,
during his career.
Wilson, the former director of the Defense Intelligence
Agency, was head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of
Staff in 1997 when he agreed to meet at the Pentagon
with advocates of UFO declassification.
Among them, he
confirms, was Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell.
The driving force behind that meeting was North Carolina
UFO researcher and emergency-room doctor
Steven Greer. Greer
founded The Disclosure Project in an effort to grant
amnesty to government whistle-blowers willing to violate
their security oaths by sharing insider knowledge about
At least seven years ago (http//www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc788.htm),
Greer was telling audiences about extracting a pledge
from Wilson during that meeting to investigate special
access projects involving UFO technology. But shortly
thereafter, Greer claimed Wilson reported that he didn’t
have the proper security clearance to inspect those
As Greer informed a Portland, Ore., audience in
2001, Wilson said,
“ ‘I am horrified that
this is true. I have been in plenty of black
projects, but when we tried to get into this one,’
he was told, and I quote, ‘Sir, you do not have a
need to know.’ The head of intelligence Joint
Staffs. You don't have a need to know. Neither did
the CIA director, and neither did the president.”
This story has been
circulating on the Internet ever since, and made it into
Greer’s book “Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge,” last
year. But the thing didn’t sprout legs until Mitchell
began discussing the meeting during what turned out to
be a media blitz in July.
Mitchell avoided all mention of Wilson’s name, but in a
July 4 appearance on "Larry King Live," the moonwalker
told CNN audiences he’d learned the admiral,
“had found the people
responsible for the cover-up and for the people who
were in the know and were told, I'm sorry, admiral,
you do not have need to know here and so, goodbye.”
Now an executive with a
Minnesota-based defense contractor, Wilson told De Void
he accepted Mitchell’s 1997 request “because he was a
former astronaut and maybe had more credibility than
some person off the street.” Wilson says he doesn’t
remember who else attended that meeting, but he admitted
“a certain amount of curiosity” about allegations of
deep-black UFO projects.
“What is true is that I met with them,” Wilson said in a
“What is not true is
that I was denied access to this material, because I
didn’t pursue it. I may have left it open with them,
but it was not especially compelling, not compelling
enough to waste my staff’s time to go looking for
Mitchell told De Void he
never heard directly from Wilson after their initial
meeting, but he says he trusts the veracity of the
unnamed sources who told him of Wilson’s inability to
Mitchell said he was
"shocked" by Wilson’s
response to De Void, but added, “I do not wish to
engage him on this matter.”
Steven Greer refused to
“I was there and know
what was said,” he stated in an e-mail. “I was also
informed prior to the meeting that, after sending
him a secret document with UFO-related code names
and numbers, that he located one of the compartments
but was specifically denied access to the
I pointed out that Admiral Wilson was apparently
denied access by the attorneys of a
Source A said that many defense projects
are subcontracted out to corporations. While
DARPA may have started
as the lead agency, they then subcontracted out to US and
international contractors, e.g., SAIC, Lockheed, BAE, Airbus, EADS,
He pointed out that Corporations are
much better at keeping secrets than the military. Small companies
often chosen to do
black projects, e.g., 300 employees. They can
more easily enforce discipline to keep the projects secret. The US
Defense Industry is filled with projects given to corporations.
From our discussion, it was clear that
there was much concern over the prominent role played by
corporations in controlling information and access to
extraterrestrial related projects.
There has been partial confirmation for the original meeting on
February 12 from a number of independent sources. Due to the
anonymous nature of these independent sources, there still has not
been any significant media interest in the meetings conducted at the
UN on February 12.
Only the UFO/exopolitics community has
shown any sustained interest in Source A's disclosures and have
attempted to verify these. Most of these efforts have occurred in
association with members of the
Open Minds Forum that has devoted
considerable time and energy in investigating various aspects of
Source A's disclosures. The continued meetings in Upstate NY and
Europe revealed by Source A require independent confirmation.
Further investigation is required to
confirm the meetings themselves, as well as their content and
My impression of Source A is that he is sincere in his disclosures
and genuinely involved in an effort by a covert group comprising
senior US Navy officers to disclose information concerning
extraterrestrial life. His willingness to have independent
confirmation of his credentials and to be interviewed by different
researchers does give confidence in his disclosures.
While this is no guarantee that his
disclosures are accurate, it does help inspire confidence that he is
part of overall disclosure process sanctioned by senior Navy
officials involved in covert operations.
There appears to be genuine concern over the way in which covert
projects involving extraterrestrial related information is being run
and the role played by corporations in controlling this. The extent
to which the US Navy and other military forces have been sidelined
in the internationalization and corporatization of extraterrestrial
related projects is a major cause for concern. This is especially
important insofar as threats to the diplomatic community to remain
silent about the UN UFO/ET meetings have been traced to
It does appear that an important convergence of interests has led to
senior US Navy officials in covert operations embarking on a
controlled leak of information to the UFO/exopolitics community.
This is a promising development given the nature of the privatized
control system that has emerged to manage extraterrestrial related
The lack of oversight and transparency
of such a control system is not only a major cause of concern for
the general public, but also for senior military officials who take
seriously their oath to uphold and protect the US Constitution.
[Note: I wish to thank
Clay and Shawn Pickering and Source A for their help in clarifying
issues raised in this paper. For those wishing to ask questions or
discuss the above issues, please visit the Open Mind Forum,