"A world war in 2015 killed nearly three
billion people.
The people that survived grew closer together. Life
is centered around the family and then the community. I can not
imagine living even a few hundred miles away from my parents. There
is no large industrial complex creating masses of useless food and
recreational items. Food and livestock is grown and sold locally.
People spend much more time reading and talking together face to
face. Religion is taken seriously and everyone can multiple and
divide in the heads."
"It has always surprised me why that concept is so hard for people
to imagine and accept. Nothing would happen. The universe would not
end and there are no paradox problems that threaten existence.
Temporal space-time is made up of every possible quantum state. The
Everett Wheeler model is correct. I have met and/or seen myself
twice on different world lines. The first was a training mission and
the second is now. I was born in 1998 so the other "me" is 2 on this
world line. There is a saying where I come from.... Every possible
thing that can happen or will happen has already happened
somewhere."
"For starters.... the fact that I'm here makes it different. I've
also noticed little things like news events that happen at different
times, football games won by other teams... things like that. I would
guess the temporal divergence between this world line and my
original is about 1 or 2 percent. Of course, the longer I am here,
the larger that divergence becomes from my point of view."
"Imagine your path through time is through a cone. The farther away
from the center of the cone, the more differences you will see in
the world line. The C204 begins to "break away" at about 60 years.
This means the level of confidence drops rapidly after 60 years of
travel and the world line divergence increases. In other words, if I
wanted to go back 2000 years and meet Christ, there is a better than
average chance I would end up on a world line where he was never
born. The computer units and gravity sensors "record" your trip and
you are quite easily able to return to your point of origin. I am
aware that research is being done on faster units with more accurate
clocks. I imagine that they will be able to go back farther with a
higher degree of divergence confidence."
"From their point of view, I will return almost exactly at the same
moment I left. From their viewpoint, I will only have aged more than
expected."
"The hard part of traveling through time is not the bending of
gravity but the plotting of your course and holding to the basic
"position" in your environment. This is done through a system called
VGL (variable gravity lock). Basically, the unit takes a reading of
the local gravity and samples it during the "trip" in pulses. If the
gravity is too far off, the unit stops or reverses itself to the
last sample period where the readings were correct. If there is some
sort of failure, the unit shuts down and drops out to where ever you
may be."
"Perhaps it’s a bit easier to understand why time travelers do not
revel themselves.
Yes, you can travel forward in time. No, you do not need an “invite”
from the future. I first saw the car in 2036. The idea was to find a
vehicle that would not draw too much attention for the time period.
Unfortunately, there were not very many suitable vehicles around in
2036 and I sold the car when I arrived in 2000.
You do not rewrite history. I can only affect what happens here just
as easily as you can. Why do people in this time period worry so
much about time traveler’s destroying their world line when they
have no problem doing it themselves every day?
My goal is not to be believed. Most people do not take news of the
war very well but I find that everyone believes it’s inevitable.
Even in your own history, are not great inventions and discoveries
made during a time of war in your effort to kill and main in new and
more efficient ways?
No, I do not work for GE or any other company.
Are “stock tips”
really the first thing you want to know about in the future? As a
representative of your time period, do you realize what that says
about you? You should probably know that this time is not remembered
for its selflessness, charity or ability to work together."
"No, the ice caps are not melting any faster than they are now.
There is also far less smog and industrial waste in 2036 You asked
about the North Polar ice pack. I never said the environment wasn't
a problem. Doesn't water expand when it freezes? If the polar ice
cap melted, wouldn't sea level go down? I don't know if there's
enough ice for this to make a difference and I'm not an expert on
global warming."
"Yes, I realize people become hostile. I don’t expect anyone to
believe me and I have nothing to sell. I take no offense by it. Just
out of curiosity, if you were a time traveler, what do you think it
would take to get people to believe you?
I suppose we could agree that no particular era in history is famous
for its development of humanity but just once I would like to hear
questions like,
“What is family life like in the future? How does
society deal with poverty? Is AIDS, abortion and drug use still a
problem?”
Why don’t I give you a stock tip? The money you make would dilute
the intelligence and forethought that a smart person had in picking
the stock all by themselves. If I told you how to get rich, I would
be taking money from them and giving it to you.
Getting back to my “proper” universe is tricky but possible. Yes,
another jump would take me to a different family.
Cement block…good question. The hard part of traveling to other
world lines is just that. There is a system of clocks and gravity
sensors that sample the environment before dropping out. Its called
VGL, (variable gravity lock). If a cement block were there, the
machine would “backtrack” until it sensed relative congruity to the
original gravity sample. A great deal of time and effort goes into
picking just the right spot since you can not physically move during
a displacement."
"Time travel is achieved by altering gravity. This concept is
already proven by atomic clock experiments. The closer an observer
is to a gravity source (high mass), the slower time passes for them.
Traveling at high speeds mimics this effect which = the twin paradox
of faster than light travel. However, this type of gravity
manipulation is not sufficient to alter your world line.
The basic math to alter world lines exists right now. Tipler first
described a working "time machine" through his theory of massive
rotating spheres. I apologize for the web site but it was the only
one I could find quickly.
http//www.geocities.com:0080/Area51/Station/5763/time.html
Certain types of black holes also exhibit the "time travel"
abilities of Tipler cylinders. Kerr was one of the first to describe
the dual event horizons of a rotating black hole. As with Tipler's
cylinders, it was possible to travel on a "time-like" trip through a
Kerr black hole and end up in a different world line without being
squished by the gravity of the singularity.
The mass and gravitational field of a
micro-singularity can then be
manipulated by "injecting" electrons onto its surface. By rotating
two electric micro-singularities at high speed, it is possible to
create and modify a local gravity sinusoid that replicates the
affects of a Kerr black hole.
For those asking how come a micro-singularity doesn't swallow the
Earth or want to know details about the size, stability, mass,
temperature and resulting Hawking radiation from such a thing..
those details I must keep to myself."
"Yes, you can travel into the future and it takes less energy than
going into the past."
"The computer system is connected to the unit through an electrical
bus. There are actually three computers linked together that take
the same signals from the gravity sensors and clocks. They use a
Borda error correcting protocol that checks the integrity of the
data and trips the VGL system."
"I would equate the "future" GM distortion units to their current
jet engines. The first one worked great but they can always make it
better. The C204 unit uses 4 cesium clocks. The C206 uses 6 cesium
clocks but they use an optical system to check the oscillation
frequency. This makes the world line divergence confidence much
higher."
"Yes I believe in Jesus Christ and we pray to
God in churches. There
are some differences you may be interested in. Religion is a major
part of peoples life in 2036. Pain and change tend to bring people
together and closer to God. However, religion is far more personal
than it is now. There are no huge, centralized religions and people
talk openly about their beliefs. It might also interest you to know
that the day of worship is Saturday, the day God meant to be the
Sabbath and the 10 commandments have been restored to the "10" that
God gave us."
"Life is much more rural in the future but "high" technology is used
to communicate and travel. People raise a great deal of their own
food and do more "farm" work. Yes, compared to now, we do work long
hours. After the war, my father made a living selling oranges up and
down the West coast of Florida. My closest friend raises horses and
another works for a company that maintains "wireless" Internet
nodes."
"A typical day... hmmm. Life has changed so much over my lifetime
that it's hard to pin down a "normal" day. When I was 13, I was a
soldier. As a teenager, I helped my dad haul cargo. I went to
college when I was 31 and I was recruited to "time travel" shortly
after that. Again...I suppose an average day in 2036 is like an
average day on the farm."
"Yes...there is a post office. The Internet is still alive and well
in the future. People spend more time talking because life is more
centered around the community. I've noticed the same type of effect
here when the power goes off. People tend to come out of their homes
and actually spend time with their neighbors. There is a lot more
personal trust and less paranoia."
"When I'm with my parents, I live in a community made up of "tree
houses" on a large river in Florida. The river floods sometimes and
we have access to the Gulf. Most of our neighbors make a living off
the sea or in moving cargo by boat."
"There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005. That
conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia launches a
nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States (which
is the "other side" of the civil war from my perspective), China and
Europe. The United States counter attacks. The US cities are
destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we (in
the country) won. The European Union and China were also destroyed.
Russia is now our largest trading partner and the Capitol of the US
was moved to Omaha Nebraska."
"I find that an interesting subject myself. Personally, I think
"UFOs" might be time travelers with very sophisticated distortion
units."
"One of the biggest reasons why food production is localized is
because the environment is so screwed up with disease and radiation.
We are making huge strides in getting it cleaned up. Water is
produced on a community level and we do eat meat..that we raise
ourselves."
"Yes...genetic engineering is used but it's like any other
technology. It can be good and bad. One thing we did not do was
create more hybrid seeds. What are people thinking???
"I am a Christian Agnostic. I do not believe faith alone is enough
to get us back to God. I'm not sure what happens when we die but I'm
pretty sure it's not a walk in the park."
"Hydrogen fuel cells and more efficient solar cells are big deals.
Computer technology and software gets MUCH better."
"My greatest joy is sailing. For fun, I enjoy swimming, playing
cards, reading, playing games on the net and talking with people who
live in other countries. As a community, we celebrate much more and
have bon fires and dances. My hobby is sorting through old magazines
and videos of life before the war."
"After the war, early new communities gathered around the current
Universities. That's where the libraries were. I went to school at
Fort UF which is now called the University of Florida. Not too much
is different except the military is large part of people's life and
we spend a great deal of time in the fields and farms at the
"University" or Fort."
"Most of my memories growing up are not fond. Life was very hard.
Simple things make me happy like hugging my mother and father. Yes,
we have cameras. More digital. Film is used like painting is today.
No hologram camera though."
"Yes we have phones but the service is through the web. Most power
generation is localized. It amazes me how much power is wasted now.
Yes, solar is big. There is thought that a singularity generator
could also be used but most people are against it."
"The elderly are highly revered and looked after on a community
level. So are orphans. There is always something people can do now
matter what. The idea of avoiding work is looked down on. Everyone
pulls together to keep the COMMUNITY strong."
"Far less medical treatment in the future even though its more
advanced. People die when they now its time to die. No lasers.
Genetic medicine and cloning organs are the obvious new techs in the
future."
"The Constitution was changed after the war. We have 5 presidents
that are voted in and out on different term periods. The vice
president is the president of the senate and they are voted
separately."
"Without going into detail what you are here specifically for can
you please explain what the primary purpose of time travel is in the
future?) In 2036, a great deal of effort is going into "repairing"
our environment. I was sent to 1975 to get a computer system and
take it back to 2036. Time travel is not a secret in 2036 and I
expect it will become more common."
"Right now, its used to get information or "items" that would be
helpful in getting a post WWIII world back to a normal condition.
There are 7 other time travelers in my unit."
"Right now, most of our practical missions are from 1960 to 1980.
There is a great deal of research into later and future periods but
the farther you go, the lower the divergence confidence of the world
line."
"(If you change "vehicle" do you have to re-calibrate the unit?)
Yes. But its a function of the VGL system. A gravity baseline is
taken and rechecked every time the unit is used. A new vehicle would
alter the gravity signature.
(What kind of coils are used to contain, and maintain the
singularity?)
I am not a physicist so I can not answer that to your level of
sophistication. The singularities are held in an enclosed magnetic
field.
(Can your unit also dimensionally travel?)
No. However, the longer the unit is on past a safe divergence
confidence, the "stranger" the world line becomes. The unit I have
is safe to about 1% for every sixty years at max power."
"My goal was to reach a certain date and time which is converted
into seconds for the computer to make its calculations. I do not
pick the second. Its more important to have a low divergence
confidence number."
"(Let me guess, you are here NOW to look at the unusual hung
election we have going on. Or maybe this is the trigger event in the
coming world wide economic meltdown? Some other pivot point in
history? Fess up. Why now?)
I would use the word "elections" a bit cautiously. Perhaps its
easier now to see a civil war in your future?"
"(10 years an hour? from 2036 wouldn't that take three+ hours?? how
could you survive with merely the pocket of air you caught in your
vehicle's field??)
Yes...that's about right but my initial trip was to 1975, not 2000.
I guess its a question of how many technical details you really want
or you feel I'm making up. We do take additional 02 and the air
pocket is a bit larger than you might think."
"(Have you considered the possible adverse consequences the person
might face that you had post them for you since you remain covert?
or don't you care since it is not your world line. what about the
people that read the information and attempt to build one? what if
they get injured in the process because they are not knowledgeable
enough to handle the forces they are playing with at this "time".)
Yes, I have considered it but it is very easy to remain hidden
behind a veil of disbelief. The people who understand what they are
seeing are not aggressive. Everyone else just finds them
entertaining. The obvious first answer is that the only world line
of consequence is my own and I don’t care what happens here. That
however, is not the case. I have shown these documents in order that
people might consider the possibility. I do not expect people to
believe them.
(What is your true purpose for posting assumingly "restricted"
government documents on a public bulletin board where everyone can
see it?)
The restricted nature of the documents I posted refers to the
departmentalized nature of the technical information. The manual is
supposed to remain with the unit. The current F-16 fighter jet
probably has an operations manual. All the information in it is not
secret but no one wants it to “walk” away from the plane.
(Did your Unit Commander authorize such a thing or is it something
you decided to do completely on your own?)
I am here for personal reasons. For a few months now, I have been
trying to alert anyone that would listen to the possibility of a
civil war in the United States in 2005. Does that seem more likely
now? Actually it’s quite amazing to see what’s happening. I have
been trying to get people to pay attention for the last few months
but to see it unfold is very interesting. Before I leave, I’ll try
and post my report.
I am curious… will anyone be upset if Florida’s votes are not
counted in the Electoral College because of the current “confusion”?
(Have you considered your actions and probable outcome carefully?)
Yes."
"(I'd like to believe you. What I need is one more prediction -
you've predicted an American civil war in 2005; in order to fully
believe you, I need one more unambiguous prediction like that.)
I appreciate the position you are in but you must realize that I am
not affected in the least if you believe me or not.
(Something like, maybe, who will win the 100m in Salt Lake City.)
Off the top of your head, can you tell me if it rained in Atlanta
this time last year? Do you think time travelers carry a sports
reference with them?
(Really, anything like that, if I see two predictions like that come
true you will have my unwavering belief.)
It is a mistake to give anyone your unwavering belief...but you will
find that out yourself in 2005."
"(One last question, Can anybody operate the
C204 unit? Or is it safe
guarded by a "key of some kind? Thanks for answering. Yes, you would
be welcome at my home.)
The unit has two security systems to protect it from "most" people.
One, it has a code that must be entered correctly. Second, and
probably more effective now, the unit can not be used by anyone who
can't add and subtract."
"It is thought that being close to a gravitational field has a
biological effect on all matter including cells. The effect is to
slow the movement of electrons in the orbits of their nucleus which
thus slows the mechanical and biological functions of the observer
close to the gravity. Thus the passing of time is a local phenomenon
depending on how close you are to a gravitational source.
This is one example of a theory involving "time shells" progressing
in size and intensity around a gravitational point from all matter.
The more massive the object, the larger and more influential the
time shells around it (like an onion). Another offshoot of this
theory is that kinetic energy is actually the conversion of stored
energy in the atom as it passes through time shells in a
gravitational field."
"(So many questions and things
to do in this time... yet you have the time to post your C204 manual on the web.)
What suggestions do you have?
(This world is run on the economical side of things and I am just
curious to how you happened to blend in to "our" way of living.)
You don't think you could blend into 1970? What difficulties would
you expect to have that couldn't be overcome?
(BUT there are skeptics out there who might think your a loony as you
have seen.)
I have nothing to sell nor do I want anyone to believe in me or take
some action. What other people think of me does not affect me in the
least.
(If it makes no matter that you are here telling us about your
revolutionary new T.T device...what would happen if we SUPPOSEDLY
built a prototype ...as my argument would state about the P3 and the
286..we would fast forward events in time.....36 years or so , with
the development of a prototype C204 right NOW , using the schematics
you have given us. But as Pamela said..."..don't any of you people
have an opinion?")
What you do on your world line is your own business. I can't think
of any better way to start a war than for someone to figure out how
to make a time machine. Go for it.
(I am not out to shatter your reputation on this Forum.. but i just
want simple answers.)
I will be happy to answer "almost" any question you have."
"Consider this: You are a time traveler who wishes to go back in
time to 1941 because your grandparents live close to Pearl Harbor in
Hawaii. You realize you can’t stop the war but you may be able to
help them prepare for it. Strangely, December 7th comes and goes
with no sneak attack. As the war in Europe rages on, Japan fails to
join the axis power, there is no war in the Pacific and the United
States remains neutral. Then, you watch as Germany begins to develop
the atomic bomb… all by themselves.
For a change, I have a question for all of you. I want you to
think… think very hard. What major disaster was expected and prepared
for in the last year and a half that never happened?
As far as war goes, I have faith you are quite capable of starting
one all by yourself. I am hard pressed to accept any criticism on my
outlook on that subject. Growing up might have been a vastly
different experience for me than it was for most of you. Personal
responsibility, determination, honor, friendship and self-reliance
are not just words we try to live up to or fantasize about. On my
world line, life is not easy. We live in a world recovering from
years of war, poison, destruction and hate.
All of it, courtesy of the thinking and
actions of people that live right now in the same world you do,
worrying about which stocks to buy or whether or not a stranger is
lying to them on the Internet I believe that hardship and challenge
develop character and community. My first experience with war came
when I joined a shotgun infantry unit at the age of thirteen. In the
4 years I served as a “rebel”, I watched hundreds of people get
shot, burn and bleed to death. I know exactly where I was and every
detail of the exact moment the first nuclear warheads began falling
on Jacksonville. I know the pain and regret of not acting soon
enough to enjoy a relationship as a loved one dies of brain cancer
from a war that gained nothing.
How can you possibly criticize me for any conflict that comes to
you? I watch every day what you are doing as a society. While you
sit by and watch your Constitution being torn away from you, you
willfully eat poisoned food, buy manufactured products no one needs
and turn an uncaring eye away from millions of people suffering and
dying all around you. Is this the “Universal Law” you subscribe to?
Perhaps I should let you all in on a little secret. No one likes you
in the future. This time period is looked at as being full of lazy,
self-centered, civically ignorant sheep. Perhaps you should be less
concerned about me and more concerned about that."
"TimeTravel_0: I have been looking over your time displacement unit
and find it interesting.
This is a list of the basic components as I see it.
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Singularity drive housing.
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Singularity magnetic field
coil.
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Magnetic field generator /
regulator.
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Electron mass injection
manifold.
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Electron regulator.
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Electron condenser.
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Singularity ??? sensor.
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Singularity cooling housing.
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Singularity cooling pump.
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Singularity cooling supply.
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Gravity sensor. unit.
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Battery supply.
Can you verify these components?
What type of sensor. is number seven?
Why are the four atomic clocks not shown?"
"That looks correct. I must apologize for the poor quality of the
information. There's a running inside joke about the technical
issues. If the unit has a serious problem its not as if anyone can
use those drawings to take the electron manifold off the singularity
housing with a flat head screw driver.
(What type of sensor. is number seven?)
That sensor detects various parameters from the singularity.
(Why are the four atomic clocks not shown?)
There is another page that depicts the computer and clock systems.
That technology is not new and not very interesting."
"UFOs are as much as a mystery to me as they are to you. Would you
be surprised to know that there are a great many people who don’t
believe in time travel on my world line?
I do believe UFOs are a real mystery but I also know that chaos
theory dictates that no matter what technology or knowledge we have,
there are always unknowns."
"On my world line, it is known that the 5100 series is capable of
reading all the IBM code written before the widespread use of APL
and Basic. Unfortunately, there are none left that anyone can find
on my world line."
"The responsibility for the “disaster” is your own but I do not
consider it a disaster. Rebirth is often painful. My world line is
not unified under a single government but I would say it is closer
to a unified purpose. Isn’t that what you want anyway? No, I do not
have the ability to make calculations that would effect world lines
to my advantage. Besides the fact that manipulating people for
personal gain is wrong, I am of the belief that it is best to make
the world line you are on now better.
I like the incredible freedom you have on this world line but I see
it as a trap and I fear the cost is the loss of your sense of
connection with family and community. Yes, you can self actualize
your ambitions but at what cost to the people around you…or yet to
be born? The incredible availability of art, literature and
limitless resources is hardly taken advantage of as I imagine the
number of people sitting in front of their TVs.
No, I have not tried any fast food. Thinking about where the food
came from, how it was shipped and treated absolutely terrifies me. I
have tried to tell people about CJD disease and it seems to be
“catching on” in Europe.
Technologies themselves are not lost but some of the older tools and
techniques have been lost. I think there is more detailed
information about the war posted earlier. The energy stored in the
singularity is used to create the distortion fields. That energy is
created in a particle accelerator. I’m not sure what you mean by
“temporal turbulence”. What effect would that have that would need
to be overcome?
When I leave, I will return to 2036. The computer I have is expected
there. I am unaware of any “true” interdimensional device available
on this world line now. I would image the effects of such a device
would be hard to hide.
My “ship” is not broken. I am here by choice. Don’t you find current
events interesting? Again, I’m not sure I understand your last
question. Perhaps we should agree to the definitions of a few terms
and basic physics before I try to answer that."
"To the reader: feel fortunate you are reading this I had a hard
time posting it hopefully it will appear this time. More questions
from me to Timetravel_0 and his answers. (can you tell us which of
our foods are poison and why?) (What can we do to prepare ourselves
for the coming war.)
I tried to consolidate your questions into a basic list. I hope this
helps.
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Do not eat or use products from
any animal that is fed and eats parts of its own dead.
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Do not kiss or have intimate relations with anyone you do not
know.
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Learn basic sanitation and water purification.
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Be comfortable around firearms. Learn to shoot and clean a
gun.
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Get a good first aid kit and learn to use it.
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Find 5 people within 100 miles that you trust with your life
and stay in contact with them.
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Get a copy of the US Constitution and read it.
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Eat less.
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Get a bicycle and two sets of spare tires. Ride it 10 miles a
week.
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Consider what you would bring with you if you had to leave
your home in 10 min. and never return.
(Can you tell us exactly what event
started the war? Is there any way we can stop it?)
The war is a result of faulty politics and desperation from Western
leadership during the US civil war. Yes, I suppose you could stop
it.
(Are some states or countries safer than others?)
Take a close look at the county by county voting map from the last
elections.
(Did they use biological and chemical weapons in the war besides
nukes? Did they use mind control weapons?)
Yes there were bio and chem weapons used. No mind control weapons
but there are new "non-lethal" weapon systems that turn out to be
quite lethal.
( Have you discovered the cure for cancer or aids yet?)
Aids...no. Cancer...some progress.
(If our leaders of this world line were reading this posting and
believe who you say you are........what would you say to them right
now?)
Revel in your confidence today because you will not win tomorrow.
(What is the main message you want to convey to us at this time?)
Please, please wake up. Look at the sign posts around you now.
(Can you explain this further when you talked of your patch and the
two spirals one was the "safe" way and one was the way to God. Can
you expound on that I didn't quite understand it.)
The safe way is the one calculated to take you in time where you
want to go, the other path will take you to God (death). Both are
equally accepted and anticipated before each trip."
