by Rick Martin

March 2003

from JMMaccanney Website



Through a series of events and interventions that apparently were “meant” to be, on 3/16/03 I had the great opportunity to finally speak with Mr. McCanney directly.


I believe you’ll find the conversation fascinating.

Martin: Before we get started, let me just ask you what your thoughts are about the research of Dr. Aleskey Dmitriev? Are you in tune with what he is saying?

McCanney: Oh, yes. In the mid-1990s to 1999, approximately, I had an Internet website called The Millennium Group.


Martin: That’s you?
McCanney: Yes, my science information was the heart of that page.

Martin: They have some excellent information.
McCanney: It’s basically a continuation of what I did. Jerry, I think, is the webmaster for that page. Then, a guy named Earl, is a researcher, let’s say. Back in the 1990s, we were getting about 3 million hits a month on that page. That was after doing the Art Bell Show a few times, so you may want to mention that.


Martin: What was the reception like with Art Bell?
McCanney: Of the people?

Martin: The reception of the people, and how did Art Bell receive you?
McCanney: Pretty well. He said at the end of that show that it was one of the most interesting shows he had ever done. I still have the recording of that show, and I’m going to put it up.
In fact, I’m going to relive the Hale-Bopp days in an individual lecture on my page, one of these days, and go back through The Millennium Group, Chuck Schramek. Listen below the interview that Chuck Schramek did of me for The Millennium Group in the ’90s. Of course, he was a talk-show host from Houston, and he later died from the same rapid-onset lower-back cancer that Dr. Harrington died from.

[Editor’s note: And then, of course, there’s the coincidence (?) of Art Bell’s “lower-back problems” that supposedly is the reason for his retirement back on the first day of 2003.]

Martin: Isn’t that interesting?
McCanney: Oh, yeah. He was very critical of NASA. He was in Houston, which is one of NASA’s big hubs. He used to use a lot of my stuff on the radio down there.

At any rate, your question originally was about Dmitriev. There was a duel exchange. Earl Crockett back then took it upon himself to translate Dmitriev’s papers, the ones you still find on The Millennium Group web-page. The flipside was, they took my papers and translated them into Russian and were, literally, teaching them in colleges and graduate schools over there in Russia back in the 1990s.

Dmitriev is an experimentalist, partly theoretical physicist, but mainly he was an observational scientist, atmospheric scientist. He’s the one who discovered the tornadoes on the Moon, just all kinds of stuff. He talked about the vacuum domain, and what they were measuring in the atmosphere and other things in the cosmos, that basically they didn’t know how to explain. They were measuring them, but they didn’t know what was going on.

But then, when they got my papers, they said: “This explains everything we’ve been seeing.” So, it was quite the thing.

Martin: The reason I was asking you about him is because at the front-end of the article that will appear in our May issue of The SPECTRUM, I am quoting from his Planetophysical State Of The Earth And Life document as a foundational piece for the changes that are going on in our non-static universe. So, I just didn’t want to be in conflict with him.
McCanney: Oh [laughter]. You might just mention that he was head of the group that I worked with back in the ’90s in Russia. So, my work is well known in Russia.

Then, NASA went over there, around 2000. That’s when Russia, of course, had no money. These guys were making $75 a month—they used to laugh about it. And they were trying to publish their own work, using money out of their own pocket; it was just ludicrous. But NASA went over there and started pumping some money into them, and then went over there and said: “If you teach any more of McCanney’s stuff, we’re cutting you off.”

You can include that, too.

Martin: I will, I’ll be glad to include that.
McCanney: It was about that time that my e-mails began to be—I could tell it wasn’t them writing back to me. They were intercepted. There were people who had clearly intercepted my e-mails, and were writing back to me. Then, eventually, they just stopped.

Martin: I do have included in the story, not only your listing of the people who have died, but from another source, a similar list. Can you talk about these deaths? Are they all Planet X-related, do you think, or what is your conjecture behind what’s happening?
McCanney: It is the control of space, let’s put it that way. The Harrington thing was real unusual, especially for its time. It was way ahead of its time. Then, the Shoemaker thing was so abnormal for a young guy like that—young, for a scientist—he was middle aged, but it was very clear. It was about the same time when comet Shoemaker-Levy crashed into Jupiter [in July 1994].


The murmurs of the scientific community was that these aren’t ice balls. Everybody in the scientific community knew it. I forget what year that was. It was very clear that comets are not dirty snowballs, but NASA holds onto that. I just saw a posting the other day about Comet NEAT that came by, and they’re still hanging onto this dirty snowball thing.

Martin: That’s incredible.
McCanney: Yeah, it’s just so bizarre.

Martin: It’s like hanging-on to a sinking ship.
McCanney: It’s so absurd that it is beyond any comprehension. It was in the mid-1990s when Shoemaker was about to make a large announcement. It’s clear that he was going to make an announcement about comets, the composition of comets, and probably take a lot of people with him in the scientific community.

Then, all of a sudden, he dies in this supposed car crash in the bottom of a crater over in Australia. Three stories came out of that. It was very bizarre the way the stories came out because I was right on top of it, as we were with everything in those days. I mean, we were the news center for everything going on in science. By the way, concerning the 3 million hits at The Millennium Group website—there was an engine on that page that could identify the e-mail addresses of the person who was at the page. A daily printout was 50-60,000 names. But you’d go through the list and half of them were from the government.

Martin: Big surprise.
McCanney: But they pretended like they knew nothing about it. They just tried to ignore it. And they would go there for the weather. They’d go there for the Sun’s weather. Hal Blandel was doing the daily solar report and we, literally, had the scientists going to our page to get that information, which came literally from their sites, but he interpreted it so well. So, that’s the kind of thing that was going on.


On the Art Bell Show, just another note of interest, the show was originally to air my comet theory and talk about my science work. Midway through the show I made a comment—Whitley Strieber was also interviewing. I said:

“And the companion of Hale-Bopp, etc.,” because we were talking about Hale-Bopp.
Art goes: “Whoa, wait a minute. We’ve been through all of this. You just said Hale-Bopp’s companion.”
And I said: “Yeah.” Because, you know, Art Bell was accused of being responsible for the death of those 39 people.

Martin: No, I did not know that.
McCanney: This is why I want to do this lecture on my homepage, because a lot of this stuff has been lost. It was a story—Courtney Brown was a Ph.D. involved in remote viewing.

Then, the other thing, Chuck Schramek, the same guy who interviewed me—what happened when Hale-Bopp appeared, it was announced that NASA had a webpage. Some underling at NASA thought it would be cute to put up this picture of Hale-Bopp, which they weren’t supposed to put up because that feed had been coming in for years, literally, under the Hubble. And so, some guy put it up there, and this is how Gary Goodwin got started. He was surfing the web and he saw this big, whirling pinwheel of Hale-Bopp, and he downloaded it; he captured it.

He went back to it the next day and it was gone! And so he said: “What’s this?” That was his first clue into NASA hiding data.

And, of course, I eventually saw their web-page. I had my own web-page at the time, just a little page. I e-mailed them [The Millennium Group] and I said: “You might want to look at my stuff.”

So, the agreement was that they would post my web stuff. It just kind-of worked out that I was the science guy, Gary was the webmaster, and Earl did political analysis, searching out NASA contracts and things like that.

Back to Hale-Bopp. Chuck Schramek, who also saw the same thing, heard that there was supposedly a companion to Hale-Bopp. So, he went out in his back yard, with his amateur-grade but very nice telescope, and started clicking pictures of Hale-Bopp, and he got pictures of the companion.

He sent them to Art Bell, who he knew very well, and it wasn’t unusual for Art to be in the middle of a program and he’d say: “Chuck Schramek just faxed in.” Chuck told me how to get through on a show to Art. There was a secret to it. Art had a secret fax number. I could do that, too, if I heard something false, or whatever; I could quickly write down a fax and get it through, and he’s talking about it the next minute.
So, at any rate, Chuck got the pictures that he took, gave them to Art Bell, who posted them. At the same time, Courtney Brown had gotten some 35mm slides from, we later found out, the University of Hawaii. But he wouldn’t say where he got them. He was under a private communication hold not to tell where he got the pictures from, but he gave them to Art Bell.

So, here’s Courtney Brown’s picture of the companion, and here’s Chuck Schramek’s pictures of the companion, and Art Bell posted them on his web-page. Well, hours later, there’s the 39 people who supposedly commit suicide in California, with Heaven’s Gate, the Heaven’s Gate suicide massacre. The government goes in, takes their website down, and posts a brand new website in place of theirs. This is all a thing right now that’s going on—people were able to capture their site before it went down, so that’s available now. But, at any rate, that’s a whole other story.

But then the government came in and had a national news campaign the next day:

“Crazy people, Heaven’s Gate cult group, were going to go to this alien ship that was coming in with Hale-Bopp, the comet, and they all put on nice tennis shoes and robes and ate porridge and committed suicide so they could go to meet the aliens.”

That’s not what happened; what happened is: The government killed all those people. And the reason they killed them is because they were in competition with a very large software outfit, and the Heaven’s Gate group were all programmers. They were building encryption software and firewalls that the government couldn’t break into.

There was another little bit—that they were competing with a very large contractor who was selling encryption encoding and firewalls to the government, and these people were able to break through theirs. Anyway, there are a whole series of things that went on there.

At any rate, the other half of the Heaven’s Gate thing is, they just posted a thing, and they had been recruiting all over the country for many years, saying there was a large comet that they expected to come in. It would have aliens, and go up to the aliens, and they were going to be transcended into this life. In fact, they were not suicidal at all. They took very good care of their bodies because their belief was, they needed their bodies in excellent condition to transform, and go into this long-term state of living with the aliens. Be that as it may, they were not suicidal.

The other half of the Heaven’s Gate equation was that when Hale-Bopp showed up, they posted: “This is it, folks; this is what we’ve been waiting for, we’re all going to meet.” And they had—the counts were astronomical—they probably had a half million people who were going to get up and walk off their jobs—a lot of them young people, college age, high-school age. Those were the kinds of people they had been recruiting. Then the “hit number” on their page went through the ceiling. That’s when the government went in and killed them.

That’s why they had the news blip on the next day, which was on the front-page of every newspaper. And they blamed Art Bell because he posted those pictures of the companion. They blamed him for the murder of these 39 people. They roasted Chuck Schramek. Courtney Brown lost his position as a teacher. He was a Ph.D. in astronomy. Art Bell was accused publicly of being responsible for the death of these 39 people.


And NASA came out and said there was no companion, and produced pictures from the University of Hawaii that proved that there was no companion. Well, in The Millennium Group, we had a guy who went in, and he analyzed the pictures and he showed that the pictures that they produced were from a different telescope, and that they were doctored. They had taken the companion out of them.


The pictures that Courtney Brown had, they took and analyzed those, and they showed how the only telescope that could have taken those pictures was one of the big military scopes run by the University of Hawaii. So anyway, I’m on the Art Bell Show, and all of this comes out on the air. And Art is like: “Wait a minute! What do you mean?


We have been roasted, everybody has been roasted, I have been accused of murdering 39 people, because I posted these pictures, and now you’re telling me that these pictures were the correct ones, and that NASA was the one who faked the photos?!” He said: “Prove it to me, right now!” He was hot. He had taken a lot of heat.

And Whitley Strieber said he had called a few observatories in London when he first heard about it, and he said everybody was talking about the companion, all these observatories, but NASA had the ability to go shut all these down and make them all reverse their stories. So, that was the Art Bell Show. We were able to convince him on the air that he had been had. I’m going to do a whole lecture on that.

Martin: There is the list of people who have been “taken out”, and obviously NASA is doctoring data and withholding data. Do you have any theories or information about who specifically at NASA is behind this sort-of diabolical withholding of knowledge?
McCanney: Yes, it’s very clear; I’ve known this for a long time.

Martin: Can you talk about it?
McCanney: Sure. NASA is a group of scientists. That’s what we always think of, these engineers who build spacecraft and that type of thing. NASA is owned and operated by the NSA [National Security Agency]. There’s a layer above NASA that controls NASA.

Donald Golden, who came into NASA in the ’90s, came in from the CIA, and his job was to secretize or put the cap on NASA. What he did is, he went in and the first thing he did was make everybody—top, bottom, sideways who worked for NASA—made them sign, basically, an NSA non-disclosure agreement.
The NSA is controlled on a worldwide level, as part of the overseeing government that is already in place. They talk about the One World Government now. The One World Government is already in place; they just want to make it official now. That’s what all of the stuff going on now is about. But the One World Government has been in place for some time.

Martin: Are there Jesuits behind all this?
McCanney: [Laughter] The Jesuits?

Martin: Yes.
McCanney: The Vatican has a big stake in the One World Government, and it’s part of it, but not the whole show. It’s like back in the Middle Ages, with the kings, the descendants of that whole entourage of people, and it actually goes back much farther. Some people believe it actually goes back to the priest cults in Egypt.


But it’s very much a worldwide situation, where you, literally, have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of families who are associated with this, and they are very wealthy; they have control in their countries; they’re in every country of the world. In their countries they control the politics, and the money, and the banking; so, it takes a very large web of these people.

For the NSA, these are people who have been drawn in, many times at a very young age, like Clinton, young Bush, to be the operatives to operate things.

Martin: The puppets.
McCanney: The public figures, and they’re allowed a certain amount of latitude. There’s a lot of in-fighting amongst those groups. But the NSA—it’s just like the CIAit’s not a national thing. They are really controlled from outside. And it’s groups that came out of Nazi Germany.

Martin: I was just going to mention the Nazis; that’s were I was going with my original question.
McCanney: Yes. The Bushs and half the people in the Bush Administration are directly descendants of the Nazis.

Martin: We have published all that, so our readers are well familiar with that. You won’t be offending anybody by saying that.
McCanney: There’s not many people who—you know, you tell them something like this and they’ll say: “What are you talking about?” They have no clue.

Martin: That’s actually common knowledge with our readership.
McCanney: They, of course, realized that space is the last frontier in resources. The control of space is essential to everything that they’re doing. It’s the last frontier.

But space is different. Now you have other things going on. But we’re getting a little too far afield here.
Back to the Hale-Bopp days. They knew, and this is why Harrington, who was head of the Naval Observatory—the Navy is in charge of a lot of stuff there, that’s true—but like a lot of other things, all these people are working compartmentalized, and working in capacities like Harrington was. He was not in charge of anything, other than he was the head of the Naval Observatory, of all the astronomers there. Just the fact that there is a document there with his name on it.

Martin: What is the fear of NASA concerning Planet X? Is it related to Sumeria and the Annunaki? Or, is it something else.
McCanney: I wouldn’t say that, but the knowledge that there is this Big Thing that’s going to come in on a regular basis is old. That’s part of the very high levels of secrecy in a lot of these groups, like the Vatican.
I mean, the first thing when Hale-Bopp showed up, the Vatican built a world-class observatory in Arizona, and staffed it with astronomers. Gee, wonder why?

Martin: Clue.
McCanney: Then they have a second one. But what is interesting, even after Hale-Bopp left—because they thought that Hale-Bopp was the Big One.

Now, let’s backtrack back to 1991. Hale-Bopp was officially discovered in 1995, by Alan Hale at New Mexico, and then Bopp was the Japanese guy. They both hit on the same night, so they both got credit for the name of the comet. Prior to that, it’s very clear to me, and if you’re looking at my Harrington notes, one of the things that Harrington was looking at was Hale-Bopp.


The nucleus of Hale-Bopp was extremely large. The reason NASA pulled the feed down immediately, once they realized that some lackey had stuck it up on the Internet—because any astronomer, or person like myself, would know that with that small amount of data you could determine the mass of the central nucleus. It’s a little equation you use; they use it all the time to determine the mass of central stars when they see a wobble in a star.


Then, they can determine the radius of the thing orbiting it. You need the period and the radius of whatever is orbiting the larger object, and with those two parameters you can calculate the mass of the central object. Just a little equation in celestial mechanics.

So, with that small piece of evidence on the web, anybody could calculate the mass of Hale-Bopp, showing that it’s planetary in size coming in.

Now, the other factor: In 1991, what Harrington saw was two things: he saw Hale-Bopp, and he saw something much bigger beyond Hale-Bopp, that’s Planet X. That’s my understanding at this point.
In 1991, Hale-Bopp was on a near direct collision course with Earth. With a couple of quick photographs they could chart the orbit, and it was on a near collision course for Earth.

Martin: No wonder there was such a scramble.
McCanney: It was a huge scramble. When it was first discovered, I called up Goddard, because—I can say this now—I knew the secretary there. If you ever want to know anything, you ask the secretary. She knew all the astronomers. I, of course, never let on that she was my inside contact there. She heard all their conversations, and she would tell me what was going on.

I called her and I said: “What’s going on? I heard there’s this comet?” You could hear the screaming in the background and stuff.

And she said: “Oh, my God, this comet is huge!” But I thought she meant in the sense of being a news story. No, it was huge in the sense that it was a planetarysized object. They had been tracking it.

You see, this is where the division comes in, because it wasn’t until then that even a lot of the scientists at Goddard found out about it. But they had been tracking this since 1991, possibly earlier. But Harrington discovered it, and you see it in that memo, the 1991 memo, that he knew exactly where to go and look at it. You can’t tell me that he didn’t go down and get the information and come back. What they found out was that he was going to go public and say that there was this large object coming in that is on a direct collision course with Earth. So, that’s why they killed him.

Martin: I still want to talk about these people who have been murdered, but I don’t want to let NASA off the hook just yet, either. We were talking about the names, the people behind NASA who are the villains, withholding knowledge from the world. Who are these people?
McCanney: Ok. At this point I would call them “family”. They are people who go to privileged schools; people whose money is not taxed; it’s not even registered. When the stock market crashes, it’s these people who are withdrawing their money, on purpose.

They create the money in the first place. The World Monetary Fund and all the people who work in that are all related to this.

So, literally, what came out of the Middle Ages, the banking system, the Vatican, and these groups of families who have descended down through, and have basically run all of these countries for centuries and centuries.

A long time ago what happened is, they moved out as—let’s go back to before the devastation, which was 3600 years ago. It was one of the companions of Nibiru that did the damage to Earth.

Martin: A companion?
McCanney: A companion; it was the one that became Venus. Velikovsky was very right that Venus was a huge comet that worked its way through the solar system, and it took about a 600-year period from the time it was captured by Jupiter to the time it encountered Earth, and then worked its way in to become the planet that we know today.

So, originally what happened, and Hale-Bopp was here about 4200 years ago, and Venus was captured by Jupiter about 4200 years ago. They were, literally, smaller companions to Nibiru.

And so, it’s very clear in the Koldrin Bible—let me see if I can find that right here, right now. The Koldrin Bible is the Old Testament that has been kept by the Caldeans in Northern Scotland. They moved there from Rome when Christ was around. Joseph of Aramatheia, who was Christ’s stepfather, kept the Koldrin Bible and handed it down, and it’s just in a very small placement and group of people who kept it.
Here it is, I found it. I’m going to read a couple of passages here.

Koldrin is one of the purist versions of the Old Testament. And this is from “The Deluge”, Chapter 4, from the Book Of Gleanings. Chapter 4 is titled “The Deluge”, so this is where it gets into the flood, paragraph 24:

“There, riding on a black rolling cloud, came the destroyer.” That is Nibiru. “Newly released from the confines of the sky, and she raced about the Heavens for it was her day of judgment.”

Now, this is the line I wanted you to notice here:

“The beast with her opened its mouth and belched forth fire and hot stones and vile smoke; it covered the whole sky above and the meeting place of Earth and Heaven could no longer be seen. In the evening the places of the stars were changed, they rolled across the skies to new stations; then the flood waters came.”

That’s why they didn’t want anybody to know about the companion, because they knew it was on a collision course with Earth, and they knew it was the companion to the bigger one that caused the problem. But they didn’t realize that Hale-Bopp was, literally, one of the companions itself. Now, when the destroyer, the big guy comes in, Nibiru, it has an entire entourage of these things.

Martin: I guess Comet NEAT would be one of those?
McCanney: And that’s the thing. When we got barraged a few weeks ago by all these comets, and they never announced Comet NEAT, C-2002/V1, clearly all of this stuff is coming from the Southern Hemisphere.

Then, of course, Harrington knew very well where that was, for the reasons that I gave; they were pulling down on the planets Uranus and Neptune. It’s interesting to note that when the story of Harrington came out, the government tried to make a statement through some of these astronomers that are on the radio; the disinformation guys came up with a story:

“Oh, well, we have corrected the masses of those planets due to new information, so that has taken care of that problem.”

Well, no, that doesn’t correct anything when you see these planets being pulled down. That would only correct things in the plane of the planets. This object was big enough—back in 1991—it was pulling Uranus and Neptune down out of their orbit; that’s how big this thing is! So, you see the concern over the companion. Because they all know, and the Vatican knows, that it was the companion that did the damage the last time.


The only problem is, the companion became the Planet Venus. What they don’t understand is that it’s a very difficult thing to produce the orbits for these, and NASA is learning that the hard way. They couldn’t keep track of Hale-Bopp; it changed on a daily basis. That was one thing we did in The Millennium Group was track the daily changing of its orbit, on the government ephemeris pages.


Martin: Was Comet NEAT a surprise? Did that come out of nowhere, or did they expect that?
McCanney: No—Comet NEAT is another VERY large nucleus, planetary size, probably the size of our Moon, at least, probably larger. NASA knew it was coming. They probably saw it coming in years ago, as part of this entourage of things that are coming in, that I think of as things that are coming in as part of the Planet X entourage.


They didn’t want anybody to know about it, for the simple reason they knew it was going to come in right around the Sun, and it was big, and they probably never expected it to become as bright as it did. But it was, literally, visible in the daytime sky, right next to the Sun, as it passed—over about a 12-hour period when it was coming in.


Martin: The media blackout on that was deafening.
McCanney: [Laughter] Yeah, that’s a good way to put it. Yep.

Martin: I have the SOHO updates as my computer screen-saver, so daily I get the updated images of the Sun. I happened to be looking at the computer when it started to come in. So, as it was happening, I was seeing the images, and I was just stunned at the size of that thing.

McCanney: Then they’re saying: “The nucleus was half-a-mile across.”

Martin: Bullshit.
McCanney: Bullshit, yeah. IT WAS PLANETARY IN SIZE! That’s why, on my home-page now, on the very top, I originally said: “Welcome Hale-Bopp, the newest planetary member of our solar system.” And that’s part of my Harrington Expedition goal.


I know at this point that the coma of Hale-Bopp has thinned out enough where you could actually see the nucleus. It, actually, was like that maybe a year and a half ago. But I’ll be able to, with a good photograph, over two successive nights, I’ll be able to identify which object it is in the star-pattern. With the calculation of the amount of light that’s being reflected off of it, I can make a good estimate of its size.

Martin: The obvious question is: How many more of these companions can we look forward to?
McCanney: We don’t know. And, of course, NASA would have a very good knowledge of this. The other thing that I want to say about Hale-Bopp, just one last thing, is that in the six-year period from 1991 to 1996, where it actually hits perihelion with the Sun, it lost three months time in arriving, due to the tail-drag of the huge comet. That’s why we didn’t have the direct collision with it.


And when I mean direct collision, I don’t mean hitting Earth, but we would have been within about one million miles. By anybody’s standard, it would have been total devastation of this planet. The flooding would have been enormous. It was only due to the fact that this thing slowed down that we missed it. So, that’s the other half of Hale-Bopp. We were in May, and NASA came out and said: “Oh, all these silly people talking about this comet; it’s just a little snowball.”

And that’s what they’re doing with Comet NEAT. I saw a posting just today on CNN, if you click on the space-science section on the web, you’ll see a story, the lead story is All The Funny Things That Amateurs Are Seeing, like unidentified flying objects and this kind of thing. But when you pull it up, there’s actually a picture of NEAT there. Then they’re saying: “Even amateurs can look for these little snowballs.”

Martin: [Laughter]
McCanney: [Laughter] It’s just there way; it’s just TOTAL disinformation.


Martin: Obviously you’ve confronted NASA a zillion times. How do they respond to you when you confront them with knowledge?
McCanney: Two things. They really don’t know what’s going on. They don’t have a clue. You can still talk to the astronomers, and they’re talking about dirty snowballs and neutrals, and they go through all of the jargon. They, obviously, are in total denial because NEAT in no way in the world—people, amateurs were looking at it in UV [the ultraviolet part of the light spectrum, above visible light in frequency, and of shorter wavelength]. Now, ok, here is a comet, 93 million miles away, next to the Sun, and amateurs are able to view it.

Now, ultraviolet is pretty much blocked out by our atmosphere. The Sun’s UV rays get through because it’s the Sun; it’s cranking out a lot of energy. But, for a comet next to the Sun to be visible in UV under our blanket of atmosphere is absolutely unheard of.

Martin: I guess another question would be: where is NEAT going?
McCanney: NEAT headed back out. That is object number four of my South American Harrington Expedition, to rechart the new orbit for NEAT, because it clearly lost a lot of its energy as it came around the Sun, as it picked up a lot of tail material.

So, it’s not going to come and hit Earth. That’s what NASA always says: “Oh, these people think it’s going to hit Earth.” No, no, nobody said anything about it hitting Earth. They try to make fun of people, and in fact, they actually have people who set up those stories on the Internet so they can go make fun of them. It’s part of their disinformation campaign.

Martin: When a comet the size of NEAT, or a planet the size of NEAT, swings by our Sun, how does “action at a distance” come into play?
McCanney: The flare that came off [the Sun] that you see in many of the photos, that came and hit the back side of the comet tail.

Martin: The HUGE flare?
McCanney: Space is a very big place.

Martin: The 5-million-mile flare?
McCanney: Yes. Now, if that were to come at Earth, it would have knocked us to our knees. But it went off in a totally obscure direction.

Let’s look at something else: What you didn’t see there, but I could see it coming off of NEAT, if you look very closely you’ll see a pin-thin streak coming directly away from the Sun, through the nucleus, and out away from the nucleus out the right of the screen. That’s connecting with Planet Mercury.

Mercury was in a direct alignment with NEAT as it came across the ecliptic, the plane of the planets. That line, that you can actually see on solar photographs, is connecting to Mercury.

So, now, let’s put Earth over there. What if Earth was over 90º around, and we were not broadside to it? Then, we could have very easily been in a position to take that flare, for example, or take an electrical discharge directly from NEAT. That is what the ancients talked about with the comets, the lightning bolts flying across the heavens; they saw these things—Zeus throwing lightning bolts to Mars. They saw this stuff.

Martin: It was literal; it wasn’t metaphorical.
McCanney: No, it was not metaphorical. And, of course, now, thousands of years later, everybody wants to make it into mythology. Mythology is the study of false sightings, almost, whereas these people really saw this stuff.


When Venus came around Mars, it lashed out with an electrical discharge and the auroras in the atmosphere of Mars lit-up, and it looked like a snake grabbing Mars. It, literally, sucked the oceans and atmosphere off of Mars as it passed by. And they saw this. They knew that Mars, prior to that, was a water planet, was a blue planet, just like Earth.

And these scientists are going out there—let’s talk about a little obvious science, right now. NASA is looking for water on Mars. There’s the oceans, there’s the erosion, there’s river beds, everything a water planet should have in terms of markings are on Mars, but there’s no ocean, or streams, or rivers, and the atmosphere is very thin. NASA is saying: “Oh, it’s in the ground from permafrost.” First of all, do you think, after being there for millions of years, all of a sudden the ocean just sank into the ground? How ridiculous is that?

Martin: [Laughter]
McCanney: Ok. Secondly, you need a very extensive atmosphere to hold that ocean in place for those millions of years. So, did the atmosphere sink into the ground, too? Clearly, I mean, if you just attack it on very basic, rudimentary principles, a kindergarten student would not believe their story. But, they’re sending spacecraft up there, digging around in the ground, expecting to find permafrost where the ocean fell in. It’s absolutely ludicrous.

[Editor’s note: It’s ludicrous IF you accept NASA’s reasons at face value for why they’re sending “digging” equipment to Mars. But since they’ve never told us the truth about any of the REAL activities being conducted during Space Shuttle missions, there’s no reason to believe what they state is actually why NASA is sending the equipment to Mars. See note: An Example Of Our Busy Universe]

And we have direct confirmation from the ancients who talked about Mars having it’s ocean sucked-off by this massive comet Venus. When you look at the percentage chemical composition of Venus and Mars, the atmospheres are identical in composition, if you go percentage-wise right down. Mars has a very thin atmosphere. Venus has a massive atmosphere, thousands of times denser than Earth’s atmosphere. But percentage-wise, the chemical composition of the atmospheres of Venus and Mars are exactly the same—which means they were formed in the same boiling pot there, as they passed by each other.

Martin: Would Venus be the planet that was referred to, in ancient times, as Tiamet?
McCanney: I don’t know. Velikovsky’s Venus is very accurate.

Martin: I wanted to ask you about Velikovsky. You’re very similar to him in that he was given a hard time, and ridiculed, and it turns out, he was right. My question to you is: How is it, in the year 2003, to be a scientist who thinks outside the box?
McCanney: It’s a fact. There’s no question anymore that Velikovsky was right. And, I think the biggest thing that I want to say about Velikovsky, he was not studying astronomy. He was studying CALENDARS! Velikovsky was studying the calendar. The whole purpose of his study was to create a timeline that would—he was searching for events that were worldwide in scope, in ancient history. He was a very well trained person, much better than most modern Ph.D.s who criticize him, in astronomy.

What the modern astronomers, Carl Sagan and all those people who attacked him, what they never understood is that he wasn’t studying planetary science. He wasn’t interpreting that information that he got, to talk about our science, or comets, or solar systems, or anything else. He was studying calendars. Ancient calendars were clearly changed about 3600 years ago. There was a huge effort, all over the world, and we see it in all of these cities.

Let me talk about something else.

There is a tremendous push, right now, in the dating of the Mayan, of the Egyptian, of the Chinese, of all of the calendars that we know around the world, and when some of these civilizations lived, that’s totally misleading, especially the Mayans. I just read an article today that talked about the Mayans, the Mayan demise at around 800 A.D. to 900 A.D. Totally incorrect, absolutely totally incorrect.

Let’s look at Chichen Itza. Clearly it was built many thousands of years ago. It was built based on the orbits of Venus. At any rate, all that I’m saying is: On almost every front of knowledge, whether it is geography, or geology, or history, or archeology, they’re trying to present misinformation, literally, to basically fool the public.

I just want to reiterate: Velikovsky was studying calendars, looking for a timeline, an event so massive in world scope that it would be recognized around the world, and he could then take Tibet, and China, and Egypt, and Israel, and all of those ancient lands and put them on a time scale where you could say this is an event.


How we can go forward and backwards in time and build our calendar. That’s what he was doing. And in doing so, he discovered that the event that he was looking for was Venus, being a large comet, and becoming the planet Venus that we know today.

At any rate, I just wanted to make that clear that Velikovsky is very misunderstood, and that a planetary event is what he discovered in his study of calendars.

Martin: Let’s talk about your concept of comets and plasma. What is plasma?
McCanney: Plasma is like a fourth state of matter. In a vacuum environment, where you have strictly gases and high energy—for example, a lot of light coming out of the Sun—that splits the atoms into free electrons, ions, neutral atoms, and other forms of energy, like stored magnetism, stored electric fields; that’s a plasma. And the interaction of all of these things is what you call plasma physics; that’s the study of that. That’s, literally, in a nutshell, what plasma is.


Martin: Let’s talk about comets. They’re not dirty snowballs. What are comets?
McCanney: Let me start by saying this: For a long time, there was somewhat of a feud in the astrophysics community between a guy named Chapman and Hans Alfhen, from the Swedish Institute. Chapman tells that space was electrically neutral. Alfhen says, no, we can see this plasma up there, it’s doing strange things, we don’t know what causes all of this, but space is not electrically neutral; it’s very much active electromagnetically.

And then, the United States, of course, is where the money is. Chapman won out, he was the American.
There is a very simple physics problem that is taught to every graduate student in space science and astrophysics and physics. That is, if you take a charge and put it in outer space, very, very rapidly, and you can calculate how rapid this is, charge will come and surround it, and shield it, and will not allow it to be seen, electrically, in any other part of the Universe.


It’s a shielding property, and if you have a magnetic field out there for some reason, around an object, the same thing will happen; you get a plasma effect. And that, for example, is one reason why our gravity is known to be a force that is totally independent of electromagnetism, because these electromagnetic forces are so shielded that gravity “sees through them” let’s say. Be that as it may, Chapman kind-of won this theoretical battle. And so, for decades you had the Chapman conferences, Chapman physics, which was taught in all the textbooks, and all of these guys grew up thinking that space was electrically neutral, because of that little problem that you could do as a graduate student.

And I’ve done that. But what I realized, and apparently none of these other people realized, the data, as it started coming back from the space-probes, didn’t support that at all. There was a tremendous amount of electromagnetic activity out there, and that’s when, in 1979, I was a young instructor at Cornell University, that had access to all of this data coming in from Voyager spacecraft, Pioneer and Voyager, as they went by Jupiter and Saturn. That was before NASA realized that they had to keep the data away from people like me, who would interpret it differently than what they would like to see.

At any rate, the data was saying something totally different. Very bizarre electromagnetic things were being observed—spokes in Saturn’s rings, tremendous electrical discharges, current rings of millions of amperes floating around the planet. Things just didn’t make sense. There was a proton wind. The thing that caught my attention the most was that there was a proton wind coming off of both Jupiter and Saturn, and that’s a satellite property that we only see from the Sun.


It’s interesting that they only saw protons. They didn’t see an electron wind that would neutralize that. So, clearly, outer space was not what they were expecting. They were expecting Jupiter to be an ice-cold frozen ball of hydrogen, very sterile, and it was not. It was tremendously dynamic, had a huge magnetic field. Literally, as they went out in front to Venus, as they went out to all of the other planets, they were very different than what they thought they would be.

So, at any rate, I happened to be at Cornell at this time, and I had already completed much of my theoretical work by that time, on inclusion of electromagnetic fields and celestial mechanics. I understood how these worked. When I saw this data coming in, I recognized, out of my theoretical work and the data—and that, of course, is something that none of these Chapman physics guys had any clue about. They were still trying to imagine that these were gravitational effects that they were seeing.


At that time I also studied comets, as part of what I was doing. I realized that comets could not possibly be these dirty snowball things. There is a lot of data indicating that comets were interacting electrically with the Sun, and were noticed to have had electrical discharges around them. At the time, I didn’t know what caused the electric fields, but I knew it had to be caused by the Sun. I knew that the comets were interacting and that the nuclei of the comets were becoming negatively charged.

Then, it finally dawned on me at that time, 1979-80, that this had to be produced by a differential flow in the solar winds. In other words, there were more protons in the solar winds than electrons. That gave me a whole new model for fusion. That’s when I realized that the fusion had to be up in the solar atmosphere, and not down in the core. That’s when I realized that the corona of electrons around the Sun was really a super-atom space, and that the Sun itself was positively charged down below that, and up above that the corona of electrons was actually making the Sun look negatively charged to the outside.

This whole complex phenomena of how the solar winds would open up holes in the corona and come blasting out, was caused by electrostatic acceleration of the protons as they moved out through the corona. And that’s exactly what we’re viewing. And this whole time, even up until today, NASA insists that the energy from the Sun is coming from the core. Totally incorrect.

When I was at Cornell, I met Hans Bethe, Nobel Prize winning physicist who created the model for the Sun that we now use. And, of course, he was a friend of Albert Einstein, and they both won Nobel Prizes. But Hans Bethe won the prize for the chemistry and the understanding that the nuclear fusion model that we now, literally, use today, and the chain reactions that would build up the bigger atoms, and cause the heat. He made the initial calculations that the heat of the Sun, and those kinds of things, would actually match reality.

But I sat and I talked to him about this. I talked to him about the fact that the Solar System had to be electrically active, and that comets were not dirty snowballs. And he looked at me and he knew, and Einstein knew, that—one of Einstein’s last things he did was very actively pursue Velikovsky’s work because he knew that general relativity was missing something very big, and that was the electromagnetic field.


You could not have gravity affecting light without also having the electromagnetic field around stars affecting light as well. He knew that those factors were missing from General Relativity, and that’s what he was working on when he died. Hans Bethe told me that’s what Einstein was working on, he was trying to figure out that problem. I know he looked at me like: “I think this kid has figured out what’s going on here.” I asked him:

“I’m having trouble publishing. They’re taking away my ability to publish. Do you have any suggestions for this?”

And he said:

“Try the German publications.”

And I did. My work eventually began to be published in the Netherlands.

Martin: That’s interesting. So, you had to go off-shore.
McCanney: Yes, and there were two journals that were actually published in the Netherlands, Astrophysics & Space Science and another one called The Moon & The Planets. This was due to what Hans Bethe told me.

Martin: Sounds like he gave you good advice.
McCanney: Yes. But when this stuff started hitting the streets, the people at Cornell freaked-out.

Martin: Why is that?
McCanney: Because I was using Cornell’s name, and I was using non Chapman physics with Cornell’s name on it. This was NOT what they wanted to see. And, of course, when they got a hold of all of my papers and ran them through the Space Science Department there, they realized that what I was doing was corroborating Velikovsky’s story.

Carl Sagan was Professor Emeritus of the Donald Duncan Chair of Astronomy, a very exclusive seat of astronomy at Cornell. He was the one who, basically, did-in Velikovsky. That’s why Sagan was famous. Not many people understand that he led the charge against Velikovsky, who was selling millions of books all over the world.


Sagan led the charge that Velikovsky was a geologist and planetary scientist and astronomer, and on and on, to prove, so to speak, that Velikovsky could not possibly be true. And that’s why Sagan eventually got the COSMOS series, because he was the spokesperson for the astronomy community that buried Velikovsky. Not more than two years later, I show up at Cornell. I’m using their data to prove Velikovsky correct.

Martin: I’m sure it went over like a lead balloon. [Laughter]
McCanney: [Laughter] I didn’t understand any of this at that time. Now I understand.

Martin: So, you didn’t understand how “politically incorrect” that was?
McCanney: [Laughter] Yes.

Martin: This is slightly off-point. Apparently we just had a passing of something called Enigma, which was a black dwarf ?
McCanney: Did you hear that there was actually something there, at all?

Martin: No. I was looking and looking, and I never saw anything.
McCanney: No, there wasn’t anything. There again, when that first came out, I looked at the webpage, I looked at the information, and I said: “This is a NASA disinformation site.

Martin: I wondered about that.
McCanney: That was the first thing out of my mouth. You look at the webpage, very well constructed. Here’s a guy, Chung, who has no prior history of being involved in anything like this.

Martin: And notice he’s the ONLY one making that statement, as far as I can tell.

McCanney: Yeah. He’s putting down Planet X. You look at his references and they are all NASA/JPL sites. The only non-NASA site that he lists is Zetatalk, which is, literally, a NASA site—the Nancy Lieder site, which was built by NASA to create more disinformation about the topic of Planet X.

Martin: Let’s talk about Planet X some more. I know you don’t like to talk about time frames, but do you have any sense of it, at all? Are we a year out? A hundred years out?
McCanney: That I don’t know, and that’s what I want to find out with The Harrington Expedition.

Martin: So, you don’t have a sense of that, at this point?
McCanney: I do, privately. I’m always afraid to speak of dates because people try to hold you to that.

Martin: Could you talk in general terms?
McCanney: Ok. If history plays out correctly, let me say this: Hale-Bopp, NEAT, and the other five comets that we saw in February.


We saw five comets come in very close to the Sun—one was Kudo-Fujikawa, one was NEAT V1, the other one was no name, it just came tunneling into the side of the Sun at about 100 million miles an hour, and then there was another small comet nucleus that tunneled up in the Sun on the lower-left side of the picture, as you look at it, as NEAT passed on below, and it was believed that was an object that was thrown off of NEAT and tunneled down into a solar flare, and that’s where those big balloon-shaped, long plasma tubes came out of the Sun, in reaction to that.


Ok, your question was Planet X. The Hopi Indians believed that Hale-Bopp [1995] was the Blue Kachina, which was the precursor by about 10 years, of Planet X. And 10 years, of course, is a very relative term there. The point is, what appears to be, if Hale-Bopp had been a companion of the Big Guy, 4200 years ago—and that’s what the cycle is, not 3600 years, but 4200 years for Nibiru—then we’re due here within the next decade.

Martin: Ok, that’s helpful.
McCanney: And the other thing is, people are concentrating on this Planet X or Nibiru object. The thing I point out is, I study the extra-Solar System objects. NEAT, for example, didn’t match anything that we’ve seen before. It was a brand new comet. So, whether it was related to Nibiru coming in, or not, is impossible to really say.

Martin: So, really, it’s an unknown entity.
McCanney: Right. The point is, there are hundreds, if not thousands, or hundreds of thousands of these big objects floating around out there. And that is something that NASA refuses to acknowledge. They keep talking about these comets as being a quarter of a mile across, or something. Well, you know and I know that NEAT was BIG. It wasn’t a half-mile across.


And just by the fact that NASA says that, any grade school kid would know that they are lying. Why are they lying? Because they want to downplay these big objects, which they’re now observing but they don’t have a theoretical place for them. And if they admitted that NEAT was planetary-sized, they would, basically, say: “Jim McCanney is right.”

Martin: What’s wrong with that?
McCanney: [Laughter]

Martin: I don’t see anything wrong with that.
McCanney: Ask them; I don’t know. They seem to have a problem.

Martin: They have a very large problem. Reality is knocking at their door, and they’re not answering.
McCanney: Yeah. There again, this goes back to the fact that—let’s talk about NEAT. What if the public was aware that everybody was saying:

“Oh, look, the paper says go out at sunset tonight. Let’s look at this comet go by the Sun.”

And all of sudden they’re standing there and what would be the first thing that goes through everybody’s mind? “What if that thing came near Earth?”

Martin: Right. “Oh, my God!”
McCanney: I mean, wouldn’t that go through you mind?

Martin: Sure.
McCanney: Why do you think they didn’t announce it?

Martin: The so-called “panic theory”.

McCanney: Yeah. And then, that logical deduction:

“If that came all of a sudden out of the blue, could another one come out of the blue, at any time, and come by Earth and affect it?”

And of course, that’s what I’m saying. That’s the “action at a distance” thing. We don’t have to be hit by these things. NASA keeps pounding on this: “If we’re HIT by one of these thing.” No! It has nothing to do with necessarily actually being hit.

If that flare would have hit us, come out and go out behind NEAT, you would have known it. There would probably be, in 5 years, there’d be a lot of people dying of cancer, because that would have blasted the magnetic field, would have torn away our magnetic shield, and whoever was facing the Sun at that time would have been toasted.

It’s not well known, but back in the late 1990s—this I got from Dmitriev, in fact—there was a solar flare that hit Earth, and we were on the night-time side, at the time when the actual magnetic field went to zero. Russia was pointed toward the Sun, and they are actually tracking cancer rates, right now in Russia, based on that flare.


Martin: That’s amazing. This will get into an area that you might not feel comfortable answering, but my wife was curious to know, what effects on people will these vibrational changes have over the next few years?
McCanney: I would say two-fold.


There is very much a polarization going on, right now, around the world. It’s literal in that the people who are raising to higher consciousness of understanding where we fit in the universe, and that we have to come together in a peaceful manner and stop using the resources on this Earth in a totally careless manner. We have to provide for our future generations.


Those people are going to be elevated, way up. And they’re going to be communicating on an almost mental, spiritual level around the world, understanding that we cannot continue to have petty Earth-wars, and put all our resources into this.

The other thing that’s apparent is, time is a resource. We always think—and NASA wants us to believe, too—that we have all of this time. We have years and years and years—in that case, eons. And we will only continue to advance and go forward. They don’t want to talk about the fact that we have a very limited time resource to get our act together here in dealing with these celestial storms; let’s call them celestial hurricanes.


I think that would be a good word, because they come sort-of randomly. You don’t know when they’re going to form. They’re based on powers that are far beyond anything that we can control. One of the biggest things that we have to get rid of is this world-wide organization that is controlling the whole world and keeping it, basically, in a slavery mode.

The other part of the pole is exactly that. The organizations, the Catholic Church in the form of the Vatican. I’m not talking about the little local church, with the priest and the people worshipping Christ. I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about the Vatican, the top-down worldwide power source, and these elite families who are keeping the world, basically, on a day-today, mouth-to-mouth situation. And those people are going to become far worse in doing what they’re doing. And we can see that happening right now.

So, literally what’s going to happen is—and some of it is tuned to the electrical fields that are caused when these things come in. So when they talk about “rumors of war”, literally the people who are that mindset are going to increase their war effort 100-fold. They will be totally, totally dedicated to doing nothing but war and destruction and killing.

And the other half is going to be the people who are raising their consciousness. They would have two possibilities: To try to go out and kill the people who are causing all the wars. Well, obviously we built this entire war machine, and you can’t fight it. It’s too huge.

And the people operating that would say: “Well, you’re trying to ruin our defense.” It’s not defense anymore; it’s offense. They’re going out and they’re going to have wars and wars and wars. They’re already talking about the wars after the Iraq war, which would be Iran next. The war is not going to end. And Bush said at the beginning, he said this war is going to last forever.

So, that is the polarity that is going to occur, and that is actually part of both the prophecy and the reality. If you look at what’s going on, there’s no doubt that all of this stuff is coming to pass.

Martin: Let’s talk about the Schumann Frequency and arriving at Zero Point, as a planet. Do you see that happening? And, do you see these celestial bodies as having an influence in that occurring?
McCanney: You know, I talk with people who talk about Zero Point energy and all this stuff, and I don’t personally—let me say this so I can be politically correct here.

Martin: You don’t have to be politically correct here. Let me rephrase the question, it might be more comfortable for you. Let’s talk about the shifting magnetic poles of Planet Earth, and how these changes are affecting our magnetic poles?
McCanney: First of all, the magnetic field of the Earth is very much misunderstood. Most of it is caused by currents that flow around the Earth. It’s not caused by some kind of magnet in our core.

The magnetic field that does come from our core, the permanent component of that magnetic field, is very loosely bound in iron and nickel deposits. It’s not like a little iron magnet that you would put in your pocket as a kid. Most of our magnetic field is in the form of electrical currents flowing around the planet in the solar wind, and in the Van Allen Belt, and in other forms—that’s our magnetic field. That’s why, when a very highly charged electromagnetic comet comes by, that’s why it can very much affect us.

The Russians—and this is a good time to mention this—it just occurred to me, but the Russians did a study a number of years ago on unborn fetuses. What they realized was, these unborn fetuses were tuning-in to the electromagnetic rhythm of the cosmos.


This is like what Dmitriev was talking about. They were very aware of the electromagnetic part of our environment, where in the West here they were still going “there is no such thing”. They weren’t even building instruments to measure it, whereas the Russians were doing this. That’s why, when the Russians got hold of my papers, they flipped-out. They said: “This explains everything that we’ve been seeing.”

Then they did statistical studies on the planetary alignments, and things like that, relative to astrology. And, basically, they became convinced that there was a very definite association with people, and their lives, and the way they acted, and the planetary position. They did this with not just humans, but plant life, animal life, and on and on. They realized that there was something to this, but they didn’t understand what it was.

But when they realized that all of the planets are discharging the solar capacity that’s built-up around the Sun, due to excess current of protons in the solar winds, as these planets came into alignments, that increased the flow of currents along those paths. And when you had many planets line-up, it increased the currents 100-fold, not just 2-fold.

And so, as the Moon, for example, comes through a New Moon and passes away, for a short while, in the New Moon phase it’s blocking the solar wind. But as it moves out of the way, that solar wind comes pounding in and breaks our magnetic field down, causing tremendous pressure on the atmosphere.

So, the New Moon phase and the Full Moon phase are times when the Earth is being, basically, crushed under a lot of electromagnetic pressure, just as one way of talking about it.

So, all of these effects that you’re seeing are very real.

When a big comet comes into the solar system, breaks down the solar electric field and starts driving this energy up in the Sun that we’re seeing, then all of a sudden you get what I’m talking about with this polarization. The people who are raising themselves to a higher spiritual consciousness will raise much farther, and the people who are intent on war will go out and beat the war drum much more. And that’s what we’re seeing right now.


Martin: What do you think individuals will experience? Will people experience much more disease, more out of balance, any theories?
McCanney: Let’s talk about the jet stream and weather. Everything will become more erratic. We’re already seeing this. You’ll see temperature swings that are much larger. And you’re going to see the same thing in people. People who are not really in control of themselves, you’re going to see becoming erratic; people who are off-balance a little bit, become off balance a lot; people who are very balanced become far more balanced. So, this is part of the polarization.

There’s not going to be anybody in the middle any more.

Martin: Accentuating what is.
McCanney: That’s right.

Martin: Let’s get back to the Zero Point, politically incorrect subject.
McCanney: Here is what I think is going on, and I learned this when I first met the Russian people. They would talk in terms—like Dimitriev talks about the vacuum domain — and that, to us, means outer space. And he has a lot of terms that he uses, and at first I said: “What’s he talking about here?” I just met another Russian in February when I was at the UFO Congress in Laughlin, Nevada.


I was the lead-off speaker at the conference. I spent some quality time with Dr. Valerie Uvarov from Russia [heads the Department for Investigation of Extraterrestrial Civilization under the hand of the Academy Sciences of Russia]. I interviewed him on my show. In fact, I did my radio show from there, and I spent quite a bit of time talking to him. They are very, very aware of this in Russia. In fact, that comes under his dominion as Head of Security in Russia.

Martin: No kidding?
McCanney: Yeah. And the fact that they are now having more UFO contacts. And I asked him off-line:

“I know, for a fact, from the feedback I get from our own ‘black-ops’ and ‘skunk works’ in this country, of which I used to have input regarding electromagnetic propulsion systems and how they work, like Star Wars, why they come out and shoot down these rockets that are coming, because of electromagnetic effects.”

People come and ask me about those kinds of things, to see if I can help them understand it.


And I told Valerie this. I get this input because I’m in the loop. These people come out of the woodwork and ask me. They say:

“Can you help us? Can you explain this?” I said to Valerie: “What they don’t understand in this country is, there’s a higher-level concept".

When you get up to this kind of hardware—let’s call it hardware, because that’s what we would call it in this country. In Russia, they wouldn’t call it hardware because they understand the conceptual side of this. But you can reverse-engineer, you can have all of the knowledge on how this stuff works, and it will NEVER work properly if you have evil intentions.

Martin: That’s right.
McCanney: In this country they don’t understand that. When I told Valerie this—

Martin: There’s a Higher Force at play here.
McCanney: His eyes got bigger than saucers. He said: “You understand this!” He said: “You’re the first person in the West who understands this concept!”


Martin: Those things will not be allowed in space with evil intent. It’s just not going to happen.
McCanney: No.

Martin: Not now, not ever.
McCanney: No, absolutely. And the people in “black-ops” here have gone to the extent of going to the East and actually getting higher-level consciousness humans to come over there and stand next to their spacecraft, to try to induce that into what they’re doing.


Martin: It’s not going to work.
McCanney: [Laughter]

Martin: You can’t deceive Mother Nature; and you certainly can’t deceive God and the entirety of Creation.
McCanney: Yeah. Who do they think they’re fooling? By the way, I put that there on my home page, the two comets flying into the flare. I put that there for a reason, because every one of those “black-ops” guys who goes there knows that picture, and they know the rumble that went through the NSA, and those guys, when that happened. And that was, that was a shot over the bow. It’s like, look what we can do, and don’t screw around.

And these guys still don’t get the message.

Martin: They are really slow learners.

McCanney: Yep, yep. And this is something that is a real problem in the West, because Russia already knows this. They have broken the ties with that kind of philosophy and are moving on. Valerie told me; he said they are accelerating, they are being contacted. He said, very plainly to me: “Your country and the people in it will not be contacted until you break that down.” Because this is like a lead weight on the planet, this country. “Then you’ll start to progress.” It was just so obvious.

And those [Russian] people are making great strides. It’s not because they have a hundred-billion-dollar
budget. You don’t need money. These devices are not complicated. It’s very clear that the ancients had space travel, and they had the understanding of how to electromagnetically shield themselves as they moved throughout space, and to move electromagnetically. All of this stuff is very clear. It’s very clear that this planet was destroyed. The flood came for a reason last time.

Martin: Right.
McCanney: Because there were people here who didn’t get it. So, I don’t know how much of that you want to use.

Martin: We’ve written about this for years, and our readers are well aware of this. This is not news, believe it or not. We’ve said this for years.
McCanney: There again, how many groups could you really talk about this to, and have them even have a clue as to what you’re talking about.

Martin: It’s right on point. It will not go over anyone’s head [among our readers].

McCanney: It’s a whole consciousness thing. I keep saying, the idea of Planet X—and that’s why the government has created Nancy Lieder: because they want a date when it’s NOT going to happen. That’s why they created Enigma. They want a date, they want a time. They want to go in the newspapers and on the media and say: “Look at these crazy people. Look at all this stupid stuff that’s coming out of the Internet. Listen to us, because we’re the ones who will tell you the real story here.”

[Editor’s note: This is a good lesson illustrating how the disinformation machinery operates—at taxpayer expense—to mislead so many people searching for answers. It is likewise a measure of the desperation these misfits are experiencing as The Truth comes out anyway! ]

Martin: I notice that Zecharia Sitchin is acting like somebody put a lid on him. He’s VERY quiet.
McCanney: I don’t know. I understand he had a little “talking to”.

Martin: Do you mean after Harrington died?
McCanney: Actually, somewhat recently, in the last 3 years, something like that. About 3 years ago he was very active on radio shows and things, and all of a sudden it’s like the bottom fell out. Apparently, they had a little discussion with him, and specifically about Planet X, because that’s when the popularity of the topic was growing.

Martin: Do you think, the way the magnetic poles are shifting now so rapidly, do you think we’ll reach a point where the magnetic poles actually do completely shift?
McCanney: We’re tetering near a zero magnetic field all the time, right now. They’re just not talking about it.

Martin: Will there come a time when we actually reach Zero Point?
McCanney: We’re going through it all the time.

Martin: So, we’re going back and forth?

McCanney: Oh, yeah. We’re doing this daily.

Martin: Now, do you think there is a point at which time ceases to exist?

McCanney: Time is a human construction. I mean, a clock is a human construction. They need it for navigation. You called me at the same time that I was going to be here. [Laughter] It’s a human construction.

Martin: It’s also very 3rd dimensional.

McCanney: Yeah. These events are very normal. I liken what’s going on to the Arrowack Indians of the East Antilles. When the White man first came over from Europe and encountered these people, they worshipped their god Hurrican. Hurrican was a god of the hurricanes, and of course, it’s very much like what we’re dealing with here. These big storms would come rolling through, totally out of their control, so they deified it, so they invented the word hurrican. And then it was very similar—sometimes they were very bad, sometimes they were totally devastating, blew all the trees down and only a few people survived, and they rebuilt.

So, we’re dealing with very much the same thing here. We’re deifying. In fact, the Old Testament deifies all of the events that happened from this planetary catastrophe. It’s so weird to see the way they teach it, for example, in Christianity, modern Christianity that is. Jesus was very much on-line when he was talking at the Sermon On The Mount. They were asking the same questions. Go read your Bible, the Sermon On The Mount. The people were asking the same questions people are asking today. When is it going to come? What should we do to prepare? It’s all there. The people 2,000 years ago were saying the same thing.

And he was saying the same thing. He knew it because he was raised by Joseph of Arimathea, who had this old Bible, which had nothing in it but the devastation and the flood. That’s what the whole Old Testament is about, the rebuilding of society. It’s a textbook on that devastation. Yet, we today talk about it in kind-of a dual mode, in that God came down and did this, and saved Moses and all the Israelites, the burning pillar of fire. Well, that was the electrical discharge going up to the comet. And, of course, nobody understood it. They thought God did all this, parted the Red Sea.

If you go back into the legends of the Jews, and read where they are leaving Egypt, most of them died. This wasn’t a picnic. This wasn’t like Hollywood makes it out. Mostly everybody died—the Pharaoh’s kids, everybody died who made it through just this deluge of big boulders burning out of the sky, a rain of fire and brimstone out of the sky. These people were all burned, they were mostly deaf because of the electrical discharges, and the lightning bolts, and the tremendous thunderclaps. These people were a mess.


Martin: I’ve read a lot on the subject of Earth changes in the last 20 years. In a few pages in your Earth Changes book you write more explicitly and clearly, and in more frighteningly plain language than I’ve seen anywhere. Your description is fantastic. [Refer back to some passages shared just prior to the beginning of this interview.] I have not seen anywhere the way you spell it out. It demystifies this comet-interplanetary-tectonic enigma that has been put forth. It makes the Gordon Michael Scallion map of the future Earth crystal clear.
McCanney: I had the fortunate experience of being at archeological sites when they were dug-up. So, I saw the history being unearthed, literally, as it came out of the ground.

And the other one was to have the ability, as a scientist, as a physicist, and being at Cornell, to see the data coming in from the space probes, as it came in. You have to understand, if I weren’t there at that time, all that data would have been lost.

And then, I had the ability to not only see the data, enough to understand what it said, as I saw it, because there were hundreds of people who saw that data, but I was the only one who really knew what it meant.


Martin: It seems like there is a gigantic “black hole” centered right over NASA, and all of this stuff just gets eaten-up and swallowed. Does anybody give a damn working in that organization?
McCanney: Nope.

Martin: It really ticks me off to think about it. I guess I’m not the only one. I’m sure you’ve had your moments with them. What a waste of resource.
McCanney: Literally. When you realize the value that has to be coming out of that Department. That Agency is, literally, the most critical thing for the human species that we have to be doing—and that’s getting out, and learning how to live in outer space—but we can’t do it with warfare equipment piled-up on top of these spacecraft. It was in the wrong hands. NASA was supposed to be a civilian agency, and it was immediately taken over. There was in-fighting as to who would control NASA, and where the facilities would be stationed, and who would get the cut of the pie. When you realize all the things that went wrong with NASA, you can chalk it up to one thing, two things, they go hand-in-hand: power and money.


Martin: Sure, always.
McCanney: It’s a total failure of our society, at a time when we needed to make that last step. It’s like coming up a flight of 20,000 stairs, with people dying on the way, and wars, and famine, and every possible difficulty you can image, and we get to the very top step, and all of the steps that were taken before are total failures because of money and greed at that top step. That’s what happened.

Martin: Do you have—I imagine you do, and probably can’t even comment on this—do you have your own network of allies, who you can exchange information with, in other parts of the world?
McCanney: Oh, yeah, in OTHER parts of the world; but not in this country. [Laughter]

Martin: I’ve taken enough of your time already, but are there some closing comments you’d like to make to our readers about this time, where we’re moving, things to look for?
McCanney: I would say, number one: The rest of the world is advancing far beyond the United States, in consciousness, and in progress as a human species.

The other thing I would say is: As a country, as a civilian population, we have to grab hold of this country and turn it around because, literally, the whole rest of the world depends on it. We are at a stage, right now, that is equivalent to 1939, pre-World War Two Hitler Germany. They did not turn that country around. And if we don’t turn this country around, we’re going to be in a far bigger world problem than World War Two ever thought of being.


You pile on top of this, the very likely situation that a large, historically known planet, Nibiru, is coming in with its entire entourage of members, any one of which could be the thing that comes near us and causes us serious damage, or goes near the Sun and throws off flares and causes us serious damage, then we have squandered our resources.


We’ve squandered our physical resources, and we’ve squandered our resource of time. So, in the judgment of the Universe, we’ve failed—as a civilization, as a society, as the most advanced country, possibly, that the Earth has seen—we’ve failed. And there’s still time, but precious little time, to recover.


Martin: That’s a perfect place to end, unless you have something else to say.

McCanney: No, I think that’s it.

Martin: Well, thank you so much. I really appreciate your being willing to do this. You might be surprised at some of the correspondence you’ll get from our readership, which is worldwide.
McCanney: The thing I find is that you cannot measure the things that are going on. The information, as it moves out, takes root.

Martin: These things take on a life of their own, once they’re in print. And they just go far and wide.
McCanney: Great.

Martin: It’s just really nice talking to you. I’m glad you’re on the planet.
McCanney: [Laughter] Thank you, it’s good to be here.

Martin: [Laughter]
McCanney: You know, I hope I stick around for a while.

Martin: I hope you do, too. Thank you, so much.
McCanney: Just keep me posted.

Martin: I certainly will keep you posted. Thanks.

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