CMC: OK. Let’s come on back
and settle into our seats. This is part of the ongoing endeavor
to bring a diverse amount of information here. We’ve heard from
every sector and now we’re about to hear from an even different
perspective. As we know the information that’s been coming
through for the last several years has brought in new layers of
unpeeling our ancient backgrounds, and perhaps our potential
But one of the things that’s been brought up again and
again, from the beginning, is that several individuals have
stepped forward. They’ve offered revelatory information from
their personal experiences that has really shocked the world –
the so-called whistleblowers.
One of the most prominent names in recent history, since 1997,
is Colonel Phillip Corso, who’s book, “The Day After Roswell”,
was a compendium of his experiences from what he knew, then
going back into history and revealing some of the information
that’s been prevalent and hidden from us on the public basis.
He reached a point in his life where he said, “Well, I’m going
to let it go. I’m going to let it all out.” It totally shocked
the world in many, many cases, and included shocking his own
family. His son grew up an Army brat, basically, then, living
his life as a mechanical engineer, was going along nicely when
suddenly his father comes out with this book that rocked the
world as we know it. It changed his life as well, just to be
affected by that.
Of course, Colonel Phillip Corso has passed on but fortunately
his son has taken up the legacy. He’s taken up the cause because
there’s still more information – information that was left
behind in the form of notes which has subsequently been into an
These are some of the interesting stories that he
will also be sharing with us, as well as opening up the floor to
questions regarding some of the things that he knows. But, it
should be very interesting because I understand that he will
also bring in his father’s essence, as part of a channeling
experience. So please welcome, if you would, Phil Corso, Jr.
PC: Aloha! We took a ride around the [Big] Island today, on a
Harley, my wife and I. I tell you, it’s a beautiful place. You
ought to try it – not on a Harley, maybe. But, there’s a lot of
friendly people, and the terrain is beautiful. We really are
thankful to be here. I wanted to start off for about the first
15 minutes explaining how the book almost never was. I think
most of you have read it. Let’s have a show of hands of whose
read the book and then I’ll understand better. OK. Very good.
That’s about half of you.
My father, before 1992, if I ever mentioned UFOs, which was a
favorite subject of mine, he would flat deny it and say that I
shouldn’t be bothered with such things. I’m going to go back
slightly further than 1992 – go back a couple more years. I had
a very good friend by the name of Captain David Shear.
David Shear was a tall, thin fellow, black belt in karate. Very
exceptionally good in defense. David also could read the Chinese
[practice of] iridology. He was very good at it. He would take
people that had that were very sick, and he would purge their
bodies for about 3 months on special juice diets and such. Most
of these people really recovered from being quite ill.
Anyway, we were sitting and having lunch in Denny’s, down in
Lantana, FL. I always was quite upset at my dad about him taking
away my UFO pictures that I took as a kid. He would constantly
deny these pictures, saying that they were phony, don’t show
them to people, don’t bother with them, and such like that. My
wife can confirm that because it became a very sore subject.
Well, one time when we were eating this dinner, Dad got up to go
to the restroom while I was questioning him about my pictures,
where they were. He always said, “Well, I gave those to Jean
Dixon”, you know.
I said, “Well get them back!” But David said, “You shouldn’t
talk to your father that way because his respiration just when
up to so-and-so, and his heart rate is so-and-so”, and so on. He
could tell just by looking at his eyes. So I knew my dad knew
Anyway, in 1992, my father was sitting there [at home]. We ran a
little business called, Marine Electronics Wholesalers. Dad
would sit behind the desk while I went out and worked on jobs
and installed the electronic gear. Once in a while he would
[answer the phone], snap up from behind the desk, and stand
there like this [in a stance of military attention] and say,
President Reagan would call him on the phone and I
wouldn’t believe it was him. But it was. He would ask his [Corso’s]
advise, mainly on Russian affairs, since Dad did actually did
start Colonel North’s job, or originated it, and that was
liaison between Chiefs of Staffs and Capitol Hill. So, Dad would
sit there behind the desk and he would be bored. So I said, “Why
don’t you start writing your memoirs?” He did.
We shopped his memoirs, which is now what we call “The Day After
Rome”. But it’s never been published yet. We shopped these for
17 turn-downs. Nobody’s interested in a Colonel’s, war career or
otherwise. We were told war movies are not popular. It’s not
what Hollywood’s doing now.
George Knapp, an Ufologist in Vegas, saw one of the books that
had been sent out as we were trying to get this published. He
noticed one paragraph in the book that says, “When I was in R&D,
between 1960 and 1963, I saw UFO material and put it out to the
public.” It was just a very short blurb in the paragraph. So,
George Knapp, you know – bang! – that was his subject. He came
back and said, “Can you elaborate on that?” He started sending
us more material.
Well, my Dad is one of the very strangest people I’ve ever met.
He had almost total recall in photographic memory. That’s what
made him such a good intelligence officer. So, he began putting
almost all of these facts together without any notes. He’s so
good at it that when he would speak I would tell him, “Dad tone
it down. You don’t have to say what color tie that guy had on 25
years ago!” But that’s the way he was.
Anyway, the book, you might say, evolved. A producer named Neil
Russell picked this up in Hollywood. So Neil hurried, and the
book was actually put to Simon And Schuster, through Bill Birnes,
the co-author of the book. It was done so quickly that my dad
didn’t have a chance to proofread it. There was no legal done on
the book. Most of you people that have published books will
realize that a legal is very necessary to have done on a book.
Simon And Schuster were afraid it would be squashed if they
didn’t – bang – rush it out. Fastest book they’ve ever printed
and got out to the public. Uh, the first part of the book had a
forward by Senator Thurman. Boy, was that a mess, let me tell
you! He was coming home from Neil Russell’s place in Hollywood.
I got a phone call from Senator Thurman’s administrative
assistant who said,
“We’re going to sue you. We’re going to sue
your dad. We’re going to sue everybody.” And I said, “Well, what
for?” This was a woman [on the phone], and she said, “Because
your father did not have Senator Thurman’s consent.”
Well, it ended up that not only did he have his consent, but he
even sent [the book with the foreword] back the second time when
he changed the name to “The Day After Roswell”. The original
book was called “A New World If You Can Take It".
In other words
that’s where the title came from. This [holding a book] is
called, “The Dawn Of A New Age”.
Now, Senator Thurman ended up saying that. Not only did he give
my dad permission to put the forward in there, but he fired his
entire staff – administrative assistant, all the way down and
through. Simon And Schuster decided to take it out, just to not
embarrass the good Senator, and keep that kind of quiet. Enough
years have gone by now that I feel you can know about it.
book [The Day After Roswell], my dad was really very upset about
it because it has a lot of Hollywood in it, and, like I said, he
did not proofread it. In his words, he says the first 2 chapters
aren’t worth a darn, and you shouldn’t even read them. They [the
publisher] put them in there [because] I guess they figured that
that would sell the book because some people don’t know what
Roswell is or meant.
Now, “Dawn Of A New Age”, I had no intentions to put out this
book. This one here [holding a book] is all in my dad’s original
handwriting. Part of it is in typing and part of it is in
handwriting. What it really [contains] is the original notes.
The original notes without Hollywood involved is what the people
really wanted. They don’t want it edited. But it reads like a
textbook, in other words. It a manual. It’s not exciting except
for if you’re interested in the subject or the field, then it
becomes very exciting because there’s so much left out of this
book [currently published version] because of that.
Well, Dad went through “The Day After Roswell” and was yellow
lining everything that he didn’t say and didn’t like. He got
half way through it and quit because it was impossible. He had
almost every page blacked out. “Dawn Of A New Age” was published
in Italy. But the publication in Italy, you might say, shouldn’t
have been published in Italy, let’s just put it that way, not to
embarrass anybody because it’s all been settled. Yet out of that
came something very good.
Paula Harris found a person in Mexico that wants to publish the
book. He now has made a contract with Corso Holdings, which owns
a stack of materials that my father left behind. By the way, I
hid those in an attic of a friend of mine for 3 years because we
had so much trouble over this book. I don’t want to go into too
much detail over it, but all I’ll tell you is there were
lawsuits by people that we didn’t even know. One of my partners
in Corso Holdings is the attorney that got us out of all that,
free of charge. So, we’re very beholden to him.
In today’s society, if you get off in the wrong direction, or
you start stepping on toes, the way that you’re silenced is with
lawsuits. Let me tell you, they do silence you, very much so.
They not only silence you, but then the next method that’s used
is a personal attack on your finances. If that doesn’t work then
there’s a lot of gifts given to you. I’ve built airplanes that
people don’t even pick up. We get people from the White House
and so on and so on and so on. Very prominent people.
I will tell you this. I don’t want to talk about being
threatened, but they have their way of letting you know what you
should do and what you shouldn’t do. It’s not just through
lawsuits, it’s through this system, I call it, of shutting you
up. So, be careful out there – anyone that is publishing on the
subject matter. Today they may not attack you directly, because
I think they are busy with the war, but they will put you under
observation. They have other ways too, of remote viewing and
such like that, where they can cause a lot of problems to you
and your family.
I have three sons that work with me in the business. They do not
care anything about the subject matter. They’ll deny it. They’ll
tell me to be quiet and not say anything else. It’s not so much
that they’re afraid, but they have actually been witness to the
vans that pull up in front of our hangar, or a bus, with one
side completely loaded with electronic gear.
I go out and knock
on the door, and there’s a black gentleman in there named
Darrell, and I said, “Look, if you’re going to take pictures of
me, you might as well come on in the hangar, and come home for
lunch. You can use the bathroom facilities,” and such like that.
And he did! He came home for dinner. He gave us the pictures
that he took. He invited me in [his van] and he said, “We’re
just here for your protection.” OK. Great!
Once in a while I say to myself, Is all this real? Does it
really mean anything? and then I start thinking about him, and I
start thinking about being at forty-thousand feet with a CIA
agent in my face, and going out to Burt Rutan. By the way, he’s
the father of composite aircrafts. He just went to space -- the
first civilian to go to space. He’s a very prominent person, and
I know him very well. When I walk into his building with a CIA
agent, he actually gets up and runs, because he recognizes the
guy. He calls me outside and we run around the hangar and hide
from the guy.
“Phil, do you know who that guy is?!” And
I said, “Of course I know who he is. He’s here to protect me.”
“Oh, yeah, sure!”
Anyway. Enough on that subject. So, be
I had a whole thing prepared, and I’m not going to do it that
way now. I’ve only done 2 other conferences. One was the
X-Conference in Washington D.C., 3 years. Then there was the
original Fort Walton Beach, which was a disaster. I had some CIA
agents that infiltrated me, as a “friend”. They took the hangar
next door and started building an airplane.
They were going to
put everything up on a website for me. I was going to put some
of it up there free. The website closed down in 2 weeks, and a
whole bunch of material stolen and taken – photographs,
everything, was out of there. They even admitted, also, who they
were. But they took the material anyway.
I was told in these first 2 conferences that it was more like my
father speaking than me speaking. I’m even starting to look like
him – the cheeks are hanging a little bit and the tummy, and
such like that. So I think it’s much more effective for you to
ask questions. Now, I am not an Ufologist. I don’t know anything
about abductees. I don’t know anything about if the world’s
going to come to an end, if the meteors are going to hit us, and
such. So if you ask me that kind of question, I’m just going to
be truthful and say, I don’t know.
What I would like you to do is stay with the book. I know some
of you don’t know what the subject matter is in the book, but I
think you’ll pick [it] up real quick. Basically, my father,
between 1960 and 63, with General Trudeau, was in charge of
Foreign Technology Branch. Now, Foreign Technology means, Europe
and the rest of the world, but it also meant anything outside of
the world. General Trudeau trusted my father very much. If he
said he would appropriate a research, it was done automatically.
My father didn’t even need to ask his permission. He spoke for
the good General. He was recruited for the job.
Basically, they put out super-tenacity fibers, which I work with
every day – the carbon fibers and such that you have, Kevlar.
They put out the integrated circuit, which he held the very
first one in his hand. Bell Laboratories went, overnight, from
the transistor, which was an earth invention by the way, to all
of a sudden having thousands of transistors on a little tiny
chip so small that you really could hardly even see it. A chip
is about so big, with all the little legs on it, as you probably
know, black, and plugs in. But the actual electronic part is a
dot in the middle, and it’s too small to handle so they put it
in this case about 20 times larger, where at least a machine can
handle it and plug it in.
American Computers, which was formerly Westinghouse, had just
invented the miniature test tube. So with the miniature test
tube, all of a sudden Westinghouse found themselves out of the
electronic business. American Computers nearly folded. Now, what
does this mean? This means unfair economic advantage, brought on
by ETs help. In other words, his technology.
This is something that needs to be addressed if the civilian
part wants to take care of UFO retrievals, because if a company
would pick up on this, they would instantly become a world
conglomerate – probably 200 years advanced over where we are
That’s what my father and General Trudeau estimated where
we are right now. We’re 200 years ahead of where we should be.
It’s a different timeline. Then Russia came down. General
Trudeau and my father used to sit and laugh at the Russian
inventions, he said.
They would try to put an SST up, or they
would try to put a space shuttle up, they would imitate ours and
they would look like one on the outside, but it didn’t have the
electronics. It was a joke. The same with the aircraft. The MIG
15s that defected to Japan, they were made out of steel, and
they had the miniature test tubes still in them when we were
already in the computer age.
Fiber optics came out of this. My dad said he held the first
ones in his hand. He said they didn’t know what they were. They
thought they were some kind of wire. But, we [still] haven’t
quite got there yet, because when he closed his hand around it,
it began to glow! So it has something to do with the biology of
the body. The same thing with the night viewing. The night
viewing originally was the lens. The little Gray has a lens that
peels off, and he has two more lids underneath. He has the
eyeball and then another protective lid such as a shark has.
He would hold it up in the hallway, dad said, and the first time
[they did so], they saw green images of people walking in the
backgrounds and such. Now, did they give this material out? No,
they did not. They would go out into the civilian market. If
someone was working on night vision – whether it was a military
like Fort Belvoir that was funded by them, or if it was a
general GE, or whoever it was – they would not give them the
technology, but they would see how far they’d already got.
For instance, the first laser. I guess many of you have also
seen the recent History Channel hours that was made on my
father’s technology. The first part of it was very good. The
second part debunked it completely. But that’s all right.
Controversy is good. It sells books. Wonderful. Keep it up Stan
Friedman. Anyway, they would fund the company that had already
started working on it. The first lasers were as big as this
stage. Within 3 years it’s down to a pencil size.
Now, what they would do is, they would fund them. They would
tell them that it was possible to make a laser, hand size. Then
if they began to flounder, or fumble, or not make it, then they
would bring the artifact to them -- let them hold it, let them
see it, let them research it, and then take it back. So it
wasn’t reversed engineered, like the artifact was thrown in
their lap and [they] said, “Go at it, boys.” It wasn’t that at
all. Here’s the most important part.
They wanted to hide this from Stalin. My dad felt that we were
greatly infiltrated at the time. Stalin’s dad said that their
number one mandate was to steel Roswell technology. The way that
they hid it was, not only did they tell them [the chosen
companies] to invent the thing, but to take credit for it, to
take the patents for it and run with it. Now, think about this.
Dad says that only 10% of that technology ever got into our
civilian hands. Who has the rest?
He says part of it is just probably fumbled away and gone
somewhere. The other part is with the Air Force. The number one
person that my father was against was the Secretary of the Air
Force, because they hog the material, they keep it in their own
little brain pool instead of putting it out to the world’s brain
pool which is much larger. They do it just where they can have
superiority over the other services. How stupid! Don’t you
[Audience responds with “yes”]
OK. Now, let’s start with questions. Just go ahead. M’am.
Q: Hello. My name’s Debra Warren from Cologna Canada. The
question is not about the book, but around the publicity that
happened around the time of the book’s release. I’ve always been
intrigued that they gave it a straight-up interview, and then at
the very end – I can’t remember if it was ABC or NBC that did it
– when they started to interview him, your father started to
talk about time travel and timelines. They used that as the
opportunity to write him off as a nut bar. That was the book end
of the interview. It was like, OK, you don’t really need to pay
attention to anything that’s going on here. Move along, folks.
same Q: It intrigues me because I just finished reading Daniel
Pinchbeck’s book, “2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl". It’s about
how the change in consciousness that’s coming to us right now is
really about a change in relationship to time. So it seems like
this is really an important thing for us to be aware of at this
PC: Yes it is. Boy, were we upset about that! I mean the family
climbed all over poor granddad for saying that. We warned him
not to. We wanted him to keep it credible. We didn’t want
anything said about his ET encounters and such like that. Go
back to 1997. Times have changed quite a bit. You’re absolutely
correct. I only do a conference like this every three or four
years to see the difference. And there is a difference. You
people are amazing. Every one of you is educated in this
subject, and I haven’t found any one of you that is saying
things that are just totally off the wall. Everything that you
say is logical, and I’m interested in it. Everyone that I’ve
For that to stop, the media does it to create sensation. I don’t
think they mean to discredit the media. But, Dan Rather, and
such like that, all belong to Skull and Bones and such, and they
might mean it. There might be a few in there who absolutely do
mean it. Whenever you’re interviewed by anybody like that, make
sure that you have the ground rules down. And they did discredit
us quite a bit that way.
same Q: Is there any additional information you’d be able to
share at this time, because I found that the most fascinating
part of the interview. It didn’t really get started until he
started to talk about that stuff. Is there anything you’d be
willing to share with us now, that he might have shared with
PC: There’s tons of stuff. I don’t even know where to begin.
Yes. I would come home from building my airplanes, and I’d be
all full of fiberglass and I would sit on the floor beside my
dad, because I couldn’t sit on the furniture, and I’d say, “What
did you write today?” He did live with us the last 3 years. When
my mother passed away he came and lived with me and my 3 sons
and my wife.
So, I would say, “What did you write today?” He would write
stuff, and then the argument would start. And I’d say, “I know
Einstein better than you!” But he didn’t mean it that way. So,
yes, I know my father’s subject matter more than what’s in the
book. Absolutely. Any particular item you would want to know
same Q: Well, it’s the aspect of time travelers that he was
starting to talk about in the interview, but they kind of shut
PC: Yeah. He had an encounter in the desert. I guess it was the
very first Men In Black -- actually he called them Range Rovers.
They were military men, though. They were a division, I guess,
of the CIA MPs and everything put together – NSA and such like
that. So, what happened was, my dad was flying back in one of
those little puddle-jumpers, because he’d moved from White Sands
up to Red Canyon. He was flying back and he saw on his radar
something doing 3500 miles an hour, in 1957. They followed it
until they thought it hit the ground.
So he, the next day, was flying back, and he saw a shining
object on the ground. He didn’t want the pilot to know what it
was so he told him to turn around and “Bring me back up”. And he
got in the staff car. He went out in the staff car and found the
thing. Alone, by himself, with his gun strapped on his side. He
first sees the craft stuck into the side of a hill -- the same
as the Roswell one’s are pictured. But it was injured. He knew
that because it was fading in and then fading out, he said, and
then it would fade in.
Well, he figured that he was hallucinating because it was so hot
in the desert. So he took a piece of tumbleweed threw it under
it. He figured that when it would fade back in, it would crush
it, and then when it would fade back out he would see it would
crush. Well, that is exactly what happened.
Then he went up and touched the thing. He said it was cold. Then
he turned and looked into the cave that was beside it, and
that’s where he had the encounter with The New World If You Can
Take It. He asked him, “friend or foe”. I guess you’ve heard the
story said here tonight. I can talk about that story now. I
mean, mentally I can talk about it. Back in 1997, if you would
have asked that question I would have said that I didn’t know a
thing about it and gone on. Not that I had been hushed-up, but
just because it was embarrassing.
He got afraid. So he came out, got back in his staff car. The
creature asked him if he wanted to come aboard. He said no. Now
that’s something I just can’t imagine. I would have said yes,
and I think most of you would have said yes, too. He says then,
that it wasn’t injured as bad as he thought. It had been there
overnight, and he [the ET] repaired it, or whatever. I’m just
guessing. I’m just speculating.
But he said when it [the
spacecraft] took off, it folded within itself. He says it – whomp -- and then [went] through a doughnut, and was gone. He
backed his car up and he wrecked it – the staff car. He actually
spun it out and wrecked it, and the engine stalled out and
everything. That’s how afraid he was. So, it was not exactly a
He later told Dr. Oberth, one of the German scientists who
worked with Von Braun, a rocket scientist. He [Dr. Oberth] told
him, “You’re a magnificent person if they chose to reveal
themselves to you!” He was very impressed. Then he said, “We
also have had such things happen in Germany before the war.” So
the UFOs, yes, they did have one in Germany. That’s where their
superior, you might say superior, knowledge came from of war
vehicles and such. They had far more than what the public knows
same Q: So, if I could just clarify; he felt that it was a time
related incident because the vehicle was appearing and
disappearing? He didn’t interpret that as being interdimensional,
or phase-shifting, or anything?
PC: Well, I don’t want to get into the details of what time is
and time travel because, Lord knows, that’s one of my favorite
subjects and you wouldn’t get me out of it. But, he knew enough
about such things, even at the time that it happened. That’s the
way he interpreted it – as a time traveling machine.