Paola Harris (PH): During your talk
at the Laughlin Conference in Nevada, you showed slides of a
plane built using very advanced technology, similar to
Ed Fouche (EF): They show the
development of certain craft which the government denies exist.
PH: Are the photos classified or unclassified?
used to be classified, but they aren’t anymore. Take the TR-3B
for example. We had an old digital image where it was impossible
to make out the shape of this craft. So I took it to a friend, a
graphics expert, who enhanced the details by enlarging it.
That’s how we managed to accurately recreate its
PH: Is this material in the public domain?
EF: No, we may have restored a photo, but the TR-3B is still the
most secret craft in the world. The government has many covert
programs, and at least half a dozen of them concern top secret
planes— the most highly classified objects in the world—and the
technology behind them.
PH: When triangular objects are sighted, as
in Belgium in 1990,
are they actually craft built by the government?
EF: They aren’t alien. They have a flat, triangular shape; we
call them mantas - a kind of TR-3a with bat wings, totally
different from the TR-3B. A friend of mine, “Gerald”, worked for
NASA for the whole of his career. We met at the end of 1976.
According to him, there are three prototypes of these craft
measuring about sixty meters (200’) across, and the operational
model is about 180 meters (600’) across. He saw them with his
own eyes. The copyright on this information dates back to 1994.
PH: Did he tell you what year he saw them?
EF: I think he saw
the first prototype in 1991. There were triangular planes before
then, but this was the first triangular craft with an Magnetic
Field Disrupter (MFD), a magnetic propulsion system. It’s a
plasma accelerator which somehow disrupts gravity around the
craft, thereby reducing its mass and weight by 89%. In practice,
this was the result of reverse engineering from UFOs, but it
didn’t fly like a UFO, as it had an operational efficiency of
If you’ve got a craft which can’t reduce its mass and
weight more than this, the only logical thing to do is to build
a triangular-shaped craft with three multiphase rocket engines
mounted at the corners, which is precisely what people see, both
in the 200’ version and in the 600’ one. The photos, which are
very dark and are posted on the Internet, were taken at night,
and you can see three bright lights which correspond to rocket
engines. The large glow in the center is due to the energy
generated by the MFD.
PH: A friend of mine who works in Intelligence told me that you
had come into possession of MJ-12 documents. What did they
EF: Part of the documents concerned the
autopsy of some
supposed aliens, similar to those described by Col. Corso in his
statements, and also some things that came out of Santilli’s
alien autopsy, broadcast in the U.S. on FOX, which in my opinion
is a reconstruction by the government in an attempt at
PH: Are you referring to the
with the alien with six fingers?
EF: Yes. The aim of the
reconstruction, based on the original footage but showing an
alien with six fingers, was to confuse the public. Anyway, an
MJ-12 autopsy document also talks about a removable lens, like
the one seen in the Santilli footage and as described by Col.
Corso. But note that these MJ-12 documents were filed a long
time before Corso wrote the draft of his book or before Santilli
had seen it in the footage.
PH: That’s interesting. And did the aliens have six fingers?
No, four. Why did they film aliens with six fingers?
Think about it for a moment. If everyone believes that
four-fingered aliens are roaming the Earth, and all of a sudden
footage appears which corresponds exactly to the real film but
where the being has six fingers, then it’s clear that the
footage is not genuine. The
aliens in the video aren’t real.
PH: There may be more than one race, given that they are
allegedly biological entities created in a laboratory.
EF: I disagree with Dr. Wolf’s view here. Initially, there was a
UFO crash in Germany and the aliens there were grays. The second
crash happened at Roswell and another then occurred in the U.S.
In between the two incidents, there was a UFO crash in Russia.
PH: Some alien races are believed to be very similar to human
beings. Col. Corso said that it was worrisome that some of these
races may be so humanlike that they could walk along Pentagon
corridors without being recognized.
EF: As I mentioned, one of my key informers, an NSA
investigator, swore that there was an alien race of this kind.
We knew of their existence but had never managed to communicate
with them. This is why a massive technological race began in
order to equal them, so we could protect ourselves. Although
these aliens have never shown hostile tendencies, they were so
technologically advanced that they constituted a potential
threat. You know how the military thinks: if they can’t control
something, they prefer to kill it.
PH: That’s absolutely true!
EF: So it was all part of the rationale; it was a question of
secrecy. At that time the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), or
the so-called Star Wars program, was launched, and following a
new Majestic 12 Charter, various technologies were developed,
basically to defend the atmosphere, which forms our external
PH: Have you ever heard of luminous aliens, or beings
EF: Quite the opposite. The reason why this race uses
EBEs (Extraterrestrial Biological Entities), going back to
Roswell, is because they are neither humanoid nor sentient
beings. In the autopsy document, EBEs are described as
absolutely identical to each other, that is to say, they are
manufactured beings. This is logical, in my opinion. Indeed,
there is no reason to send a living being to explore the
universe on a one-way journey when your scientific knowledge is
advanced enough to create an EBE which can do it for you.
we have moved closer to this type of technology: Beings are
being designed with higher perceptive capabilities, for example
better visual abilities, where the bodies are programmed for a
mission and then they are sent into space. While considering
myself to be a rational person and not agreeing with many
aspects of UFOlogy, everything I wrote in my book is completely
logical, in my view and in the view of those who know me.
PH: So in other words, they are
robots or androids. Do you know
anyone who has communicated with them?
EF: According to Gerald, at the site of the Roswell incident a
“body” was found still alive. Everyone denies that Secretary of
Defense Forrestal was at the scene. On the contrary, it seems
that everyone had a good false alibi. Well according to Gerald,
Forrestal was right there, and communicated telepathically with
the alien. As you know, Secretary Forrestal then began to show
signs of a mental and emotional disorder, and was admitted to
Bethesda Hospital, where he threw himself out of a window on the
sixteenth floor. In my view, there aren’t any holes in the
They have never sent us an alien ambassador, and there
are no underground bases where military personnel work alongside
aliens. If we had had some sort of technology-exchange program
with them, why would we have to invest billions of dollars in
Research and Technology in order to do everything on our own? We
could give them hundreds more human beings in exchange for their
PH: In your opinion, do these androids or manufactured
beings have a program? They must have, mustn’t they, seeing as
too many people continue to talk about their abduction
EF: I’m not so sure, and this is part of the
current diatribe. According to Gerald and another two people I
have talked to, there have been some abductions, but only a
limited number. Most abductions are carried out by the
PH: Why on Earth would the government be involved in abductions
and insert screen memories in people’s minds, making them
believe they were abducted by aliens?
EF: There are several reasons. TMK is easy to use: it’s a
control technique first used in the ‘30s and ‘40s, when the
used to give people large doses of marijuana extract (THC),
heroin and mescaline, altering human behavior via
brainwaves or ultrasound to create screen memories or to put
false memories into people’s minds.
PH: In other words, you are saying that the manipulation of
human beings is being carried out by the government, and not by
EF: Three people I trust swear that they are absolutely
sure of this. Think about it—one of the reasons which comes to
mind is that if there were some alien germ which could infect
us, we could alter human genetics through injections. But what
would happen if aliens came to Earth and released microbes which
could modify our atmosphere? We would have be able to adapt. In
other words, maybe we know that aliens are coming and they will
settle on Earth. How can we protect our race?
PH: Is this how you explain the reasoning behind abductions?
Exactly. It’s for the protection of the species. Or maybe
they’ve learned how to improve our species from genetic
PH: But why abduct people, Ed? Why do we have to do
it in such a violent way? Can’t we find another solution? For
example, say it’s being done to fight a disease?
EF: But how would you harvest eggs?
PH: But these people truly believe that they have passed through
walls and been in spaceships. Why would the government create
all these false memories?
EF: Disinformation. If you plant half a dozen different versions
of what is going on in people’s minds, no-one will ever believe
anyone else, and that’s exactly what’s happening.
PH: It’s a worldwide phenomenon. In Italy too, really strange
things are happening to people who live both in cities and in
remote areas. How can it possibly be a government conspiracy?
EF: It could be a cross-section.
PH: They would have to have made agreements with Italy and all
the other nations.
EF: I have never believed in the theory of aliens or
World Order controlling minds for financial reasons. The New
World Order exists for a different reason, it’s part of a
Majestic 12 plan to unite the world under a single government.
Supposing there’s an alien threat, how could we unite the world
under one power? How could we all agree? We would never agree,
not even through
the United Nations. Not unless a pre-existing
authority imposed the terms of the future new order.
PH: So you believe that convincing people that we are threatened
by aliens will unite everyone in a single world order?
It would also happen in the event of a crisis.
Y2K is a prime
example. The world now relies on computers. There is no easier
way than to crash all the computers in the world to take control
and overcome those who possess all the computer-based and
PH: Why would they take control?
EF: To rule the world under a single government.
PH: Made up of...
EF: Whoever these people are.
PH: So, as far as you are concerned, the UFO phenomenon is in
reality a major conspiracy devised by the people of the New
World Order, who may be acting exclusively for their own
benefit? We blame aliens for abductions, but in actual fact it’s
the government’s doing?
EF: Put it like this: we are under threat. Whoever has sent
these genetically designed androids or robots (EBEs) to Earth
has transmitted a return signal. These beings have found an
inhabitable planet with intelligent life forms, and sooner or
later the real “striking force,” the real aliens, will arrive.
So we have embarked on this massive program; we have eggs from
all these people. We have created special, genetically modified
children, and we have placed them in all areas of society
through adoption, including placements with individuals
connected to the government.
PH: Just a minute, you may be right! They have given these
children to people connected to the government. I think I have
met some of these children. But why would they do this?
EF: OK, I’ll tell you. A microbiologist friend of mine is a
in junk DNA; that is to say, the potential of our DNA has never
really been grasped. In reality, it can form a third DNA helix,
which is an important evolutionary change. Once the One World
Order is established, all the genetically modified individuals
will be injected with another DNA element.
Imagine, for example,
DNA capable of sparking off an evolutionary process inside them:
these individuals will be able to control the world and not be
influenced by aliens, even biological entities which communicate
mentally. They will all be placed in key positions, and
obviously their seed and eggs will be used to make more human
beings, who will also be endowed with these abilities.
PH: Have you ever as a child had anything strange happen?
When I was small, my mother says once when we were riding in the
forest, we saw a forest fire which came right into the car but
my mother does not like to talk about it. I have a vague
recollection of it. It is funny that you are the only person who
has ever asked me that question.
PH: I am curious sometimes why people are interested in this
Sometimes it could be they are chosen or given an invitation.
Thanks for the interview.