Tony: Dan could you tell us
about a little bit of your esoteric training?
Dan: Well I was trained in the Gurdjieff school at Claymont,
Charlestown, West Virginia, in the Gurdjieff sacred gymnastic [www.claymont.org].
I lived with very spiritual communities. I studied some of the
Ophanim Enochian material with Vincent Bridges whilst I worked
with Israel Regardie. Iíve studied spectograms of the Hebrew
alphabet and some gematria, some of the Fred Wolf work which I
Iíve also been involved in some studies of
Dee and Edward Kelly and also Fulcanelli and the connection with
Schwaller de Lubicz and those sorts of controversies. I also
www.sirbacon.org and some of the Sir
myth. Iíve also been involved in some of the studies on
the Boynich manuscripts and their meaning with respect to
Tony: How about your academic background?
Dan: My academic background? Undergraduate electrical
engineering, graduate work in psychophysiology of the origin of
languages. My graduate degree was incomplete, I went off to
study the Gurdjieff work and then I was trained as a systems
analyst with IBM. Then I became a computer animator in
multimedia. Iíve done a lot of lecturing on non-linear energy
source technologies, psychotronics kinds of communities, so I
have a lot of electrical background, so I tend to bridge the
electrical with the metaphysical.
Tony: Interesting, because most people tend to consider academic
background as very much separated from spiritual background
whereas you appear to have successfully merged the two together.
Dan: Well Iíve gone to a lot of trouble. When I met the Jesuit
who ran the Fermi Lab in Adamsmasher in Chicago, he said ďOh, I
keep my physics and my religion separate.Ē But I was determined
not to fall for that schizophrenia so Iíve worked at that. At
least itís fun.
Tony: So, what sort of tips could you give people as to how they
could improve their own spiritual development? Like, for
instance, places where they should live and so on?
Dan: Well, what weíve been teaching here is definition of
life force. The description on the main index web, at
where if weíre able to define life force as electricians which I
believe we have now. Life force in the Celestine Prophecy was
originally all human interactions about charge. But weíve
extended that now to mean life force is the ability to attract
in self-organized charge. Why is an egg gathering voltage?
weíre correct about that, and the tool, the Heart Tuner here we
use to spectrum analyze charge density here, this Heart Tuner
weíre able to measure the harmonic analysis of capacitance using
a biological capacitive probe in a pre-amplifier and then when
we spectrum analyze that we are able to see when the charge
harmonics gather whatís called life force.
So if we are correct,
that life force is the ability to attract this charge. When we
measure the life force in an egg, before and after we put the
egg in a capacitor, the spectrum analysis of charge makes it
very clear that the life force in the egg is the ability to suck
in that capacitance. So if thatís correct that life force is
this fractal attractor for capacitance, then success in
architecture, success in making a place to live whether itís
choosing a place on the land or choosing a house, is success in
building a good capacitor to hold charge density.
The thing is
that charge density doesnít converge at one place, plus you have fractality, plus you have paramagnetic materials, with
dielectric, etc. So you begin to look at all the factors that
make a house a place to live in a land alive and you treat it
like an electrical problem, which it truly is.
Tony: So in practical terms, where should people be living?
Dan: People should be living in places where the paramagnetic
flux, the magnetism, is able to converge non-destructively.
People should be living in places where the charge density is
not being bled. Things that bleed capacitance are metal, and
sharp points and most synthetic materials.
Things that bend
capacitance like a lens and can create cavities and cocoons and
little self-organizing field domains are things like
paramagnetic stone and certain wood and organic materials that
actually hold capacitance and life force. So thatís a big clue
as to what your house needs to be made of. It essentially means
that heavy metal structures in big cities bleed capacitance so
fast that of course people die sooner.
Tony: So basically weíre talking about timber cottages, and
stone cottages, like sandstone cottages?
Dan: With almost a total reduction or elimination of metal
actually, and a very radical reduction in the amount of wiring,
and electricals, and currents, and circuits, and things like
that. Because any field effect which does not embed in the
earthís magnetic flux, by embedding I mean a wavelength that
fits the nest, creates fractionation, loss of attention, and
loss of life.
Tony: So, weíre talking about locations by the seaside, in
Dan: Yes, weíre talking, this is in addition to what has been
known as sacred space, that any place that holds charge has been
called sacred, because the field effect is sustainable. And in
practical terms, what it means is you go there and you feel your
aura unpack, because in fractals, packing and unpacking is
non-destructive. And the unpacking of your aura which is
electrostatic and capacitive is the unfolding of a field effect
that then becomes your nervous system. Your body literally
inhabits the land.
Tony: So, are sacred spaces naturally existing, or can they be
Dan: Both. Sacred spaces are naturally existing in the sense
that Mother Nature has maximum life force in where charge
density has already been made into a fractal, and sacred space
can be created by using paramagnetic materials to fabricate
capacitive cocoons that hold life force. An example of that I
believe was the Garden of Eden in Sumeria, which was an
experiment in maintaining life force by arranging capacitors.
Tony: What about optimal places for being born and for dying?
You mentioned those in your workshop.
Dan: Well we use the example that the Cherokee shaman looks for
a place where the little hill looks like the mountain in the
distance because you could die there and your biological
magnetism could unpack non-destructively from the small to the
And thus your soul, the amount of electrical field effect
coherence we call a soul, is able to unfold and distribute
itself in the land and thus not be fractionated, in other words,
become immortal. So that applies to both birthing and dying.
Essentially if you miss the mouthpiece of a megaphone, your
voice is not amplified. A megaphone is a name for a fractal.
Tony: What sort of advice would you have for people who are
doomed to live in the cities and not live in an idyllic
situation either by the sea or in a forest?
Dan: Well if youíre forced to live in the city there are
obviously places of power there which are places of capacitance.
Carlos CastaŮeda describes some of the psychological indicators
of a place of power. But to begin to be able to do some dowsing
yourself is an excellent way to begin to be able to feel
magnetism which I consider to be survival required. Once you are
able to do that youíre able to locate the places in the city
where the magnetism is most alive and thus steer your life
around to those choices.
Tony: What sort of techniques would you recommend for dowsing?
Would you use a couple of willow wands, or how would you go
Dan: I personally am a big believer in not using wands at all,
or a pendulum. But Iím not religious about that, I just think
that if you start from the very beginning by noticing that you
feel the presence of a magnet in your hand, that presence of
feeling magnetism is your survival because itís how you will
navigate when you
lucid dream or die. Using that skill to feel
magnetism directly you begin to prehend magnetic flux lines in
your bed, in your house, in your park, and your city.
Tony: Are there any easy techniques that people can use to
better sensitize themselves?
Dan: Yes. Feeling a magnetic line is not unlike seeing an
The more capacitance in your body the more likely you are to
become sensitive, because you literally become more coherent
mathematically. So sitting under an old growth tree predicts
your likelihood of new clairvoyance from Celestine Prophecy. The
same thing applies to being able to feel magnetism.
So if you
took a relaxed nap and some deep breathing in a pristine spot
under an old growth tree your likelihood just after that of
newly being able to feel the magnetic lines in yourself is
increased. So if you combine that with going some place where
you know that there is a strong magnetic line you begin to feel
them for yourself, and that in my view is the beginning of
Tony: Are there are many trees that are more suited for the
purpose that youíve just described?
Dan: In general the principle is that the closer the grain
structure of the wood, the more the fractal density of the
charge and therefore, self-awareness of the structure of the
tree electrically. The tree is the name for a fractal branching
algorithm of electricity basically. The fern tree was the first
So the more fractal the tree, the more close the grain
structure of the wood, the more it is paramagnetic, hardwoods
for example. The oak tree is another example of a tree thatís
classically known to be highly magnetic, the Druids used them.
But there are many such trees.
Actually weíre able now to
spectrum analyze the charge at the base of the trees and we find
trees which are more responsive to human emotion than others. In
general those are the trees that are larger, older trees that
still have a lot of life force and have been relatively pristine
in their not being exposed to too much magnetic pollution.
Tony: So apart from oak trees what other trees would you
Dan: Well a living pine tree can be very fractal as well even
though it is a soft tree. Iím not really an expert on trees so I
donít have a detailed enough answer to that question I suppose.
Actually weíve been making quite a few measures on trees using
this capacitive transducer for the heart tuner. The Heart Tuner
But I would say in general, look
for a tree that literally is attracting life force and you can
feel it pulse under your hand. The same way a sacro-cranial
practitioner can feel the long wave currents in your spine, you
feel the pulsing of the tree.
Tony: In your workshop you talk about the negative effects of
strong magnetic fields in houses. What are the best ways to get
around those magnetic fields?
Dan: Well we talked in the workshop about using highly piezo-electric
stones like quartz and granite and amethyst and in key nodes
around the house to bounce a geopathic magnetic line around the
house so it does not go through your bed.
We talked about moving
the electrical devices to one quarter and living in the other,
reducing the metal in your house, reducing the amperage flow in
magnetic devices, turning off the main circuit breaker at night,
there are various techniques. Often if you canít find a magnetic
line thatís going through the house because itís so weak, when
you track magnetic lines around the house, youíre literally able
to get an idea of where theyíre trying to go through the house.
Tony: What sort of diet would you recommend for people who wish
to embark on a spiritual path?
Dan: I teach something called the Twinkling Eyes Lifestyle which
divides into four categories, the hygienes to make bliss
possible, which I believe is charge density. And those are
divided into diet, and Feng Shui, the geomancy of backyard, and
the posture of kinesthetics of bliss, and enough knowledge of
soul purpose to be able to follow your bliss.
In the diet area
what I teach is that the diet should be mostly made of live food
and high quality protein; drastically reduced intake of wheat,
corn and soy and all mono-cultured foodstuffs; a drastic
reduction, almost elimination, of all stimulants; drinking only
spring water and fresh squeezed anything; lowering the quantity
of carbohydrate intake; increase the intake of fresh fruits and
I eat nuts and fruit and fruit juice for breakfast
and usually guacamole and avocado for lunch to help me through,
and then a fruit salad sometime there and occasionally some raw
fish, those kinds of things. I do recommend a trace mineral
supplement and I use Microhydrin [a broad-spectrum antioxidant]
occasionally and things like that.
Tony: What sort of meditation techniques would you recommend?
Dan: I recommend that entering the stillness is a good way to
get charge density. One of the best ways to enter the stillness
is to do the fractal of high heart rate before low heart rate.
So I recommend meditation should usually be preceded by posture
work and the kinesthetics, the yoga, the sacred circle dance,
the Eurythmy, the Tai Chi, the sacred gymnastic, the movement
for bliss so that the meditation doesnít become stuck in the
And also that way the meditation does not cost you heart
rate variability because the ability to have harmonic
inclusiveness in the heart rate is not served by a sedentary
In terms of meditation, my personal experiences of intense kundalini experiences was brought on by the
gymnastic and the breath work to some extent, so my life has not
been so focused on how to find that so much as how to not let it
burn me up. So I may not be just the perfect person to ask about
how to meditate, but indeed the Heart Tuner, for example, does
show the relationship of your breath to your heart music and
that is a big indicator of when your body can embed in the
The essence of meditation is simple, you need to have a very
long wave that can then embed short waves. To embed yourself in
a long wave is the function of ritual and meditation, as is
myosis and mytosis, embedding in a long wave. So that process of
getting yourself phase aligned with very long waves is sometimes
called rapt, or rapture, or raptor, where you have a vice like
sort of grip that you feel electrically when you get really
still. And that is a way to commune with the infinite.
is that if you do that communion without coming back and
bringing it into the world which is called grounding, and
grounding is access to a fractal for psychologists or
electricians. That if you come back without finally delivering
that information youíve picked up by entering the stillness, it
becomes fractionating, that the only way you avoid the hive mind
is when you come back and individuate what youíve learned and
find a way to share it practically.
Tony: Is there (are) a practical meditative technique you could
Dan: One simple technique where you can experience the spin path
to the zero point the wave of collapse which produces fusion and
embedding is called the Phi Breath, the Golden Mean Ratio
Breath. And if you were to visualize a caduceus where you have a
long wave, and then a shorter, and then a shorter, which is a
spin path to a zero point.
The caduceus is the symbol of the
medical profession. And if you were to do a breath based on that
geometry, you take a very big breath, and then a smaller breath
0.61 as deep and as long, and a smaller breath, and then a tiny
breath, you create a continuous spin path into stillness. And
from the stillness you can enter the field charge.
Tony: Youíve talked about the Heart Tuner quite extensively,
what are the other applications of the Heart Tuner?
Dan: The Heart Tuner, again at
www.heartcoherence.com, is able
to measure the coherence in EKG, EEG or life force of plants or
trees, itís also able to measure electro-smog with an inductive
probe, itís also able to measure the fire in the pineal with the
The Heart Tuner itself is a 2 channel
programmable pre-amplifier which dumps to very innovative
computer software in the Heart Tuner environment which by using
a second order power spectra called a Septrum is able to measure
internal coherence in a way thatís never been done before.
while people like the Heart Math people talk about coherence,
they in fact cannot measure it, whereas my device actually
measures the coherence in the heart. Whatís fun is when the
heart is coherent, it literally appears to measure the kinesiological response so that the ability to have coherence in
the heart in terms of a flashlight to a laser is directly
related to finding a shareable wave of pure intent.
Itís kind of
a lie detector for the body. The heart tuner is an incredibly
powerful tool, and I say that not just as the inventor because
itís simply the truth.
Tony: What is the one most important message which you would
like to see go out there?
Dan: I think the one most important message Iíd like to see go
out there has to do with the relationship of surviving
compression, sometimes known as the rapture, or death, or
maxima in being able to follow your bliss. Because the DNA,
being a self-organizing magnetic shape-shifting worm, when it
has implosion at the centre is able to become self-organizing,
and self-steering electrically.
And that gives the ability to
lucid dream, travel in time, survive death, and all the fun
stuff. But if you havenít found a path which includes passion
and bliss, then literally your DNA is not ignited and it costs
you that tornado we call getting a soul. What that boils down to
is the hygiene for bliss which in principles is a simple science
replacing religion in that sense.
We donít need the fairy tales,
the miracle worship, or the personality worship. We need the
hygiene for bliss, we must be able to teach our children
and ultimately groups, like soul groups, that form and do bliss
process together, and fusion experience is then what enables
soul groups to migrate and travel through the sun into stars. So
it is survival related to be able to find your bliss and follow
your passion. Thatís my message.