Daily Bell: Good to meet you.
You're prolific and everything we'll ask you likely has an
answer in one of your books. But for the purposes of this
interview, we'd like you to answer these questions as if for the
first time - though please feel free to reference books and
articles as you go.
David Icke: OK, sounds good.
Daily Bell: We'll jump right in. How did you end up in a career
the reptilian, hybrid power elite?
David Icke: Well I had what you might call a very extraordinary
experience, or what you might call a spiritual experience, but
that has connotations and it was not a religious experience but
a series of things happened to me.
I was a television presenter,
I was a professional footballer, a soccer player as you call it
in America, and I then went off to become a journalist. Then I
went into television.
I was a national television presenter in Britain with the BBC,
then I moved vaguely into politics when I became a national
spokesperson for the British Green Party in the 1980s, which
allowed me to see very clearly that politics was not the answer.
Then toward the end of the 80s I was working for the BBC,
presenting television programs, speaking for the Green Party and
I had this feeling that there was a presence around me. When I
was in a room, I was not alone.
This went on for a year and it
got more and more powerful until I eventually started to get
more and more focused on this - as it got more tangible.
Daily Bell: Can you describe it in more detail?
David Icke: Yes, I was staying at the Kensington Hilton.
alone in the room and the feeling of this presence in the room
was so powerful that I actually sat on the bed and said,
if there is something there or someone there, would you please
contact me because you are driving me up the wall."
A few days later, I am with my son and he is reading some books
in a news shop on the Isle of Wight.
"Let's go get some
As I turned, my feet would not move.
It was like two
magnets were pulling them to the ground. And a thought came in
my mind to go in and look at the books on the far side of the
store. What on earth am I thinking! But I walked over to an area
where there were romantic novels. On top of all these novels was
this book called Mind to Mind.
It had a woman's face on it and
her name was Betty Shine. I picked it up and read the blurb and
she was a psychic/healer.
I bought the book, took it home and read it very quickly and was
very interested in what I had read. So I wrote to her,
originally to talk to her about this rheumatoid arthritis that I
have and how her hands of healing might benefit me. I saw her
couple of times. The third time I saw her, we are doing the
treatment, and I feel a spider's web on my face.
It made me sort
of sit up a bit, because in her book she mentioned that when
someone or something is trying to connect with you, you may feel
Daily Bell: Did you find out what it was?
David Icke: I had never felt it before or since.
But about 10-15
seconds after I felt this spider's web, she launched her head
back and said,
"OMG, I'm going to have to close my eyes for this
one - this is powerful!"
So then she starts saying that she has
this figure in her mind and is being asked to communicate with
Anyway, here I was, a little television presenter, and
suddenly I am being told that I am going to go out on the world
stage eventually and reveal great secrets. There is a great
shadow across the world and there is a great story that has to
She told me,
"One man cannot change the world but one man can
communicate the message that can change the world!"
She said I
would write five books in three years on certain subjects, which
I thought was hilarious because writing five books in three
years on subjects I knew at that time nothing about was
Daily Bell: And was it some sort of a joke?
David Icke: No, it wasn't. It happened to the month, actually!
wrote five books in three years to the very month as it turned
out. My life during that period suddenly changed. The BBC
decided not to renew my contract for very bizarre reasons and
therefore I was out of work.
I could have got other work in the
media, but I just wanted to go with what I was feeling and see
where it was leading.
Daily Bell: It led to a new career, obviously.
David Icke: My life became a daily experience of meeting people
and coming across documents and books, all of which were handing
me puzzle pieces in a certain picture, which at the time I knew
In the first few years all these puzzle pieces
resolved themselves into a network of bloodline families that
were manipulating and controlling world events by controlling
the banking systems, the political system, etc. These families
were behind the pharmaceutical cartel, the oil cartel, the
bio-tech cartel, the global media and mainstream media and etc,
on and on.
What was interesting was that almost from the start of meeting
the psychic, one of the fundamental themes that came into my
Babylon and what is now called Iraq.
This region is
where these bloodlines came out of and eventually became what
the world knows as royal bloodlines. And the individuals
involved became known as demi-gods, part god part human.
Today, these families and bloodlines have gradually expanded out
of Sumer and Babylon. They created the Roman Empire, and through
the Roman Empire, they took control of Northern Europe and also
Today, Berlin and Paris are big centers for these
bloodlines, too. Belgium, by the way, is where NATO and the
European Union are. But London became a very major center.
Wherever you go or you follow these bloodlines, wherever they
locate their headquarters, an empire follows. You had the
Babylonian Empire, the Roman Empire, and when these families
moved up into northern Europe, you started having the British
What happened as these empires took over and colonized the
world, was that the bloodlines went with them and seeded
themselves within these communities, including what became the
United States and Canada, etc. Now alongside these bloodline
families travels a secret society that manipulates the bloodline
families and their agents and gofers into positions of power.
this is why you find secret society networks wherever they
colonize, be it North America, Africa, Australia, wherever.
Daily Bell: Why don't more people know about this secret history
you have uncovered?
David Icke: More and more do. But it has been concealed.
are two types of control - a control you can see called
dictatorship, such as fascism, communism or apartheid. But these
forms of power very rarely go on indefinitely since eventually
people will rebel. Thus, the greatest form of control is a
control where a people - the target population - thinks it's
free but is not. They are manipulated but will not rebel because
they would be rebelling against their own perceptions of
So this is the preferable state of affairs. And this is what
happened when we observe the British Empire.
The Empire withdrew
- from the United States, from Canada and elsewhere. It was
withdrawn physically, but actually it was sleight-of-hand. The
bloodlines left behind their own controlling relatives and
agents under different names. So you can see, they have gone on
controlling those countries ever since in secret.
Britain has "lost its empire," people say. But it's not Britain
we're talking about. The center of this global web of bloodlines
and secret societies is actually in Europe for historical
reasons, and London, too.
The bloodlines have set up a global corporation run like a
massive business on one level and a secret society on another.
The spider sits in the web in Europe with the corporation, but
you have headquarters in each country, subsidiary companies of
the corporation. They will follow the blueprint that is dictated
from the headquarters - so all the secret societies and
bloodline families operate exactly the same way.
You have the
headquarters in Europe and then in Canada, United States, each
country you have this network, another web, a sub web, etc.
Daily Bell: Your books cite evidence for all of this?
David Icke: I have been to 50 countries researching this
structure over that past 20 years and a number of times I have
seen the same things being introduced in the same countries
using the same excuses in different parts of the world.
Sometimes the legislation is even worded the same way. This is
The aim is to create a global version of George
The idea is to centralize power in every area of our lives and
it has gotten to a point where this centralization of global
power was actually given a name, innocently enough, by the
people on which it was being inflicted - "globalization."
Globalization is just the centralization of global power in
every area of our lives, which is the agenda unfolding. Of
course, there are many misunderstandings, and you get people on
the left protesting against the big, bad corporations. The
corporations are not the generators of globalization but THE
VEHICLES FOR IT.
The generator of it is this global secret
You know, I said years ago, there will come a point where this
will break the surface and people will see it because when you
are covertly manipulating something, there comes a point where
you have to start building the bricks and mortar visibly. All
over the world now
people are starting to see Big Brother. They
are starting to see more control and greater surveillance and
the lack of privacy.
They are seeing more and more laws that are
Draconian or fascist in nature, and it is because of this agenda
that's been unfolding for thousands of years, step by step by
step, that it has now reached the point where it's closing in on
its end goal. But this is not all bad, by any means. In fact, in
some ways it's a fantastic thing! People are finally starting to
lift their heads out of the sand.
A shared perception of what's
going on is starting to take place.
Daily Bell: So it's all coming true, from your perspective. Are
you getting proper credit, or are you still running into
resistance? You call yourself the most controversial speaker and
author in the world.
David Icke: I don't say that. It's a tag that has kept up with
me over the years. But it IS difficult to find someone more
For instance, when I started this journey, as I
said earlier, the first few years were all about uncovering the
global structure of control - the banking control, the political
control, the media control - and how they all fit together and
how it was all orchestrated by the same group.
But then something else came into my research - the question,
why are these bloodlines, today, different than you and I? What
started to come into my life, again, in tremendous synchronistic
abundance were experiences and people that provided me with
ancient information and modern information that helped me solve
What I found eventually - and without doubt, so far
as I was concerned - was that there was interbreeding between
non-human reptilians and humans, which created a hybrid
Now, when people first hear that they think it's crazy. But why?
If you can limit people's sense of possibility, which is a
massive part of this manipulation, then you limit their sense of
what is possible. No, no, it's not impossible.
Anyway, when I started looking at this, I realized this story of
a reptilian race interbreeding with humans in the ancient world
to create this bloodline was actually a very common story in
ancient legends and stories. It even connects to the biblical
story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, with what? A
If you don't put it out there, then it can't circulate. And when
you start talking about that connection, then it gets highly
controversial because Icke is saying WHAT? So I've always been
But let me tell you something... When my new book comes out,
the tag of the most controversial speaker in the world will take
on a whole new level! What I'm explaining now, for instance, in
my latest research - is that
Moon is not a heavenly body
Humans are being manipulated from the Moon by what
is being broadcast from it.
Daily Bell: You're not kidding? That's certainly bound to cause
David Icke: It's never been properly explained before. But I go
into great detail about how it's done, how the Moon connects
into the human body computer and the human brain.
what is happening is a Luna-like version of what is portrayed in
the Matrix movies where reality seemed solid but was only a
dream. With my perception of what the Moon is, controversy will
escalate once again.
My investigations and resultant books have occurred in phases.
One phase was the investigation of the banking scams, the
political scams and connections of what I talked to you about.
Another was the reptilian phase, and another from about 2003
focused on the nature of reality - the illusory nature of
reality, which has its counterpart on the worldwide web, as I
show very clearly with great support in detailed evidence in
this new book.
Daily Bell: Give us a little more detail about the mechanisms at
David Icke: Yes, the body is basically a biological computer
system. Crystalline... the fabric of every cell.
of every cell is crystalline. DNA is crystalline. I have been to
an alternative doctor's clinic where he has taken my blood and
put it under a massive microscope. We have viewed it to the
point where my blood turned quite blatantly into a quartz
crystal. So we are receiver-transmitters of information.
What happens is that information - lunar reality is encoded in
what we call photon energy. It's weight, form and vibration, if
you like. And what the five senses do is they decode vibrational
information and turn it into electrical information. It's like
if you tune into your computer in South America or Australia or
America to the World Wide Web, even though you are in a
different part of the world you are accessing a collective
It is the very fabric of the universe we are
experiencing, what I call in my book 'the cosmic internet.'
So when you add that to the reptilian stuff and add that to the
manipulation of the world and the bloodline families and you add
that to the Moon isn't real, you have built up quite a CV of
Daily Bell: From what we can tell, then, you welcome
David Icke: I'm a seeker of knowledge, especially when it comes
to social control.
All of this is fundamental to understanding
how the few control the many. If you want to manipulate how
people experience reality, then you can manipulate the reality,
or you can manipulate the way they decode reality. That is much
We are not our bodies, we are infinite consciousness,
and the body is just the vehicle to experience this reality.
Daily Bell: Of course, people experience reality in all sorts of
David Icke: That's true. And if you can manipulate how the human
body computer decodes reality, then you can control how millions
of people perceive the world and therefore you can control their
It's very much the same principal as a stage
hypnotist. I went to see some shows when I was researching all
of this. You can see people sitting on a stage being implanted
with a belief by the hypnotist. Then the subject will take a
bite of the potato and decode it as an apple, because the
hypnotist has reprogrammed his brain.
Try to tell those people on the stage when they are in that
state that what they are seeing or what they are tasting is not
true, and they will claim YOU'RE crazy. This comes back to the
sense of reality, the sense of limited possibility. When people
say to me "you're mad, you're crazy, that's impossible" that's
their programming speaking.
But when you start awakening, as
people are awakening all over
the world, you start to see things that you've never seen
before. At this point now, it's blatantly obvious, WHY didn't I
see this before?
Like I said earlier, enormous numbers of people
are now beginning to do that, hence the interest in my work and
Daily Bell: Your book, The Biggest Secret, has been called
conspiracy theorist's Rosetta stone. Why?
David Icke: Well I think what The Biggest Secret did was it
jumped over the cutting edge and went well beyond.
It was the
first book where I really started to connect the dots. But
unfortunately what happened in Britain after I had my awakening
and started talking about some of this stuff is that I went on
national television and as a result I faced the most fantastic
levels of ridicule.
Through the early 90s I couldn't go anywhere in Britain, down
any street without being laughed at. Going into a pub was
impossible, there was uproar. A comedian only had to say my name
on the television and he got a laugh, no joke necessary.
you undergo something like that, it can destroy you or make you
stronger. If you're lucky, it can pry you out of that prison
where most people live in - the fear of what others think. Most
people spend their days trying to live up to a version of how
they believe they should behave based on what people think.
And this is a process that I have talked about and written about
for years. Humans don't need a sheepdog; we keep each other in
line, by imposing norms and jumping on anyone that challenges
So what happened to me, that mass ridicule in the 1990s,
cleaned me out. I no longer feared what others would think. And
that was essential, absolutely essential, because this journey
that I have been on is also about my personal development, my
The layers of the onion were peeled off so that I was capable of
doing what I am doing in the most effective way. My role, as I
see it, is to constantly challenge the cutting edge and keep
'Wisdom is knowing how little we
The world is a collective.
If the world is going to be free,
it's only going to be free if we free ourselves of fear. All
these things are what hold us in our own self-made prisons
because, in reality, a few cannot control the many, unless the
vast majority acquiesces.
We need to set ourselves free.
Daily Bell: All right. But from what - reptilian humanoids and
the Babylonian Brotherhood?
David Icke: The Babylonian Brotherhood is the name of this
network of secret societies that we talked about earlier.
elite reptilian hybrids are the result of this interbreeding
between humans and this reptilian race. And what is interesting
is wherever you go in the world you will find knowledge of this
interbreeding. Wherever you go, you find serpent worship because
these reptilian entities were perceived as gods.
Serpent worship is the oldest form of worship. They have found
evidence of it in the Kalahari Desert area of South Africa,
70,000 years ago. And the people of that area, the sand people
known as the Bushman and also the Zulu, hold these beliefs.
story is that modern humans were seeded in Africa in an area
called the Stiletto Hills, near the Kalahari Desert, by the
great dragon. You go to the Far East, to Japan and China, what
is the very symbol of those cultures? The Dragon. The reptilian
This is a cultural memory of interbreeding with these reptilian
The ancient Chinese Emperors claimed the right to be
Emperor because of their genetic connection to what they called
the serpent gods. But people reject it by reflex action and
never look at the evidence to support it. One thing I would say
is I am a kamikaze pilot. When I put this stuff out about
reptilians and the Moon and reality, I do the hard research and
I back it up with evidence - and the evidence is enormous.
most people in the mainstream will not even look at it!
Daily Bell: Are any of your ideas linked to The Protocols of the
Elders of Zion?
David Icke: I mention the protocols in my new book. I've got a
chapter in the book that I call the Zion Mainframe.
Zionism? Most people will say, well that is Jewish people. Well
actually it is not, it's a political system. It's a political
system and at it's core is a secret society.
Do people know
where it came from? Well no. OK, I will tell you it came from
House of Rothschild. The House of Rothschild is fundamental
to this, as they came from a family in Germany who were called
Bauer, and they changed their name to Rothschild. Which actually
translates as "Red Shield."
The original Rothschild, Amschel Bauer-Rothschild, had a red
shield on his house in Frankfurt when he started his banking
dynasty. And that shield was the symbol that is known as the
Star of David, which is not actually a Jewish symbol.
ancient esoteric symbol found all over the world.
Daily Bell: Yes, the use of the Star of David as a Jewish symbol
does seem fairly recent. There are references in antiquity,
however, to a "shield" of David, but that is not the same thing.
David Icke: In fact, excavations in Tel Aviv found the star of
David on the floor of an ancient Muslim mosque. Israel is not a
homeland for Jewish people.
Israel is a fiefdom owned by the Rothschilds. Now what the Rothschilds have created is Zionism,
because they wanted to have a foothold in the Middle East, that
would create mayhem as part of an agenda for long-term global
control. This is not the government of the Israeli people in Tel
Aviv. It is a government front for the Rothschilds.
The Rothschilds spent five million pounds back in the 50s to
build the Knesset. Imagine what that would be today. The Knesset
is the Israeli Parliament. The Supreme Court building was built
by the Rothschilds as well.
Throughout my books when I mentioned Zionism, I always call it
Rothschild Zionism so that people are constantly reminded of the
real source of what it is and who created it and who controls it
and not the illusory connection that is for the benefit of the
It's not, it's for the benefit of the House of
Rothschild and the global agenda of this network of families of
which they are one. But a very, very significant one. So, when
these so called
Protocols of Zion came up, what they were, or
claimed to be, and I'm not saying they are genuine or not
genuine, I'm just saying we need to look at this and not dismiss
it by reflex action.
I will go on pursuing any line of inquiry
that will lead to a greater understanding that could lead to
Daily Bell: What do you think of modern medicine? Are you cured
David Icke: No I am not cured. The one thing the psychic
predicted that has not happened is that I still have arthritis.
modern medicine is an absolute abomination. It's a
despicable attack on human health on the human immune system and
human vitality. In my new book, I look at this modern medicine
scam, this corrupt mafia and I take it apart.
The eugenics movement in America, for instance, was very strong
in the first part of the 20th century and included many big
names. Organizations like Planned Parenthood, a Rockefeller
funded organization, actually started as a eugenics outfit. It
changed its title after the war based on the bad name that the
Nazi's gave to eugenics.
The Rockefellers sent over a whole team
of top eugenics specialists from America to help the Nazis in
their research into race purity during World War II. People
don't realize that. This is absolutely true and a documentable
fact by the way.
Daily Bell: Would you characterize yourself as a philosopher?
David Icke: Hm-mm well, I don't know. Isn't it funny how people
like to label everybody and they like to label themselves.
are you? I'm a philosopher. Who are you? Well I'm a doctor. NO,
you are none of those things. That's what you are experiencing.
What you are is consciousness. And what we do is constantly
misunderstand the difference between who we are and what we are
Once we identify who we are with what we are experiencing we are
immediately pulled into limitation! I just am. We all just are.
I don't give myself any kind of label, I just am. And I am
seeking to know more and more about what's happening in the
When I get information, then I communicate it. That's all
I am doing.
Daily Bell: Is your work a metaphor - an allegory - even though
it's not understood that way?
David Icke: I use analogies a lot, but, no, I am not interested
You know there were people years ago that said,
"When he says reptiles, he really means Jewish people."
don't! I mean bloody reptiles, with scales!
You see, because
some of the stuff I say is so far out from what people perceive
is possible or happening, they think I'm operating in the realm
"He can't really be talking about reptiles!"
Daily Bell: Do you see yourself as free-market oriented?
David Icke: Again, that is another label.
What I believe is that
people should have the right to live the life they want to lead
as long as they don't impose their will on other people. I have
a simple philosophy on life and if we followed or lived our
lives in accordance with it, we would not need any laws any
My philosophy is simple,
"do what you like as long as
impose on others."
No other laws are necessary.
You are free to
do what you want to do. If you want to do this, go ahead. All
agreed, go ahead and do it. You see I am exposing people who are
doing what they want to do and forcing it on other people.
That's when I get interested.
Daily Bell: Is that how you got interested in economics?
David Icke: The economic system that we have today is absolutely
Again people don't realize what the economic system
is. We lend people money that doesn't even exist and charge them
interest on it. It's just figures on a screen. And they lend you
these figures on a screen and you must pay interest back on
money that has never, does not or will never exist! This is what
the banking system is.
Banks are allowed to lend money at least ten times on what they
have on deposits - it's called fractional reserve lending.
means when you go into a bank and ask for $50,000 loan, they
don't give you $50,000, they don't move precious metal anywhere
or print any money, they just type into your account $50,000.
And from that moment you are paying them back $50,000 plus
interest that doesn't exist, it's just been conjured out of
nowhere on a screen.
Every time you put a dollar in the bank, you are giving the bank
the right to lend at least $10 it doesn't have and charge
interest on it. There is never ever anywhere near enough money
in circulation to pay back all the loans and all the interest on
the loans outstanding. It's built in by design.
So that means
people are losing their homes, losing their businesses, losing
their land, it's built into the system.
It has to happen because there is not enough money in
circulation to pay back the interest and the loans outstanding.
You pay Peter to pay Paul while there is an economic expansion
going on but as soon as a depression comes in, then the amount
of money in circulation is reduced by the banks refusing to
Then suddenly the amount of money in circulation
is even less, far less that is necessary to pay all the
outstanding principal and interest on the loans, so therefore
more people lose their homes and their businesses in very large
I think we can come up with a better economic system, one that
is fair. We have to stop charging interest on money. Interest on
money has been a modus operandi of these bloodline families
going right back to Babylon.
Daily Bell: Have you read Austrian economics?
David Icke: No.
Daily Bell: Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the next 100
David Icke: Absolutely, 100%, solid gold optimistic.
for exposing this global manipulation, this global conspiracy is
for one reason - to bring it to an end. Now more and more
people, vast numbers of people, are waking up to how the world
And that's fantastic!
You know people go,
"Oh it's ever so negative what you saying
about what these people are doing."
Well please excuse me!
Knowledge is never negative. Ignorance is negative.
And if you
think it's negative and fearful to expose what is going on in
the world so we can do something about it, then you are saying
something about you and not the information.
Over the next few years, there are going to be many challenges
and it's going to seem for a while this system is unstoppable.
In my lifetime, and I am 58, this system of control is
coming down and we are going to live in a very, very different
world. I am incredibly optimistic. One 100 years from now, well... I would like to be here 100 years from now.
Daily Bell: What is next for you?
David Icke: I have a new book coming out next month. It's at the
printers and it's the biggest work I have ever done.
nearly 700 pages, 355,000 words, 325 illustrations and 32 pages
of original color art. For me it's a major work and it's called
HUMAN RACE GET OFF YOUR KNEES - THE LION SLEEPS NO MORE.
very comprehensive book and I think it's going to have a massive
impact. I will also be speaking in America this year; I will be
in New York, Chicago and San Francisco in October. I will be
speaking in Europe too, Amsterdam, Athens and London on
Daily Bell: Do you have anything to add?
David Icke: Well, as I said my books and my website (www.davidicke.com)
have as much information as people can consume really.
at this a long time and this is my life. I don't take holidays
or anything like that. I don't want them. I have produced a
fantastic amount of information for people. It's all there, most
of it for free. Now this new book is going to create the usual
amount of name-calling. But I've heard it all before.
don't push the cutting edge, the cutting edge never moves.
Daily Bell: Thank you for sitting down with us. You have been
generous with your time and we're sure readers will appreciate