can you tell us about your new book (...And
The Truth Shall Set You Free).
David: Yes. It's about 500 pages of documented
information which fits together so many things that appear to be
independent of each other... and shows how the same few people
actually pull the strings of all of them.
And, at the same time,
it looks at the spiritual solutions because the very strong
point that I'm making is that the conspiratorial and the
spiritual are not isolated.
They're not independent. They are a
reflection of each other. I'm a great believer in the idea that we create our own reality. I think we put out a
magnetic pulse, a magnetic vibration like a broadcast, which is
unique to us. It reflects exactly our sense of reality and our
sense of self.
I feel that this magnetic broadcast then attracts
to it other magnetic fields (people, places, ways of life,
experience), which create, in exact physical replica of our
subconscious mind in front of our eyes. I think that all the
people and experiences, the things we attract into our lives,
are actually reflecting back as part of us.
LE: Yes. We believe that also.
David: And, therefore, and it's increasingly probably
true - a very few people control the world... not everything
that happens in the world, but its direction toward more
centralization of power and erosion of freedom.
must be a physical reflection of the collective human
consciousness and its state of being. I feel it works like this:
you can't control 6 billion people with taxes because there are
too many people. But, you can do it by coup d'état of the
mind, which is to persuade and pressure people through
fear to think the way you want them to think, or preferably, not
to think at all.
You're like a farmer. You can control a whole
vast herd of sheep because most of the sheep will follow the one
in front, and those stragglers that don't immediately conform
get the dose of fear from the sheep dog.
I have actually watched
one sheep dog round up a whole herd of sheep and I thought,
This is how the human race is controlled!"
What happens is that, if you look at all dogmas,
all cultures, all societies, they've
got what I call a "hassle-free zone."
This is that area within
any culture, within each dogma (whether its a religious dogma or
whatever), wherein you conform to the accepted thought and
behavior of that dogma of that society. You're in the comfort
zone (the hassle-free zone).
No one's going to laugh at you or
condemn you for being different, for expressing your uniqueness,
because you're locked into the herd mentality, and
you're conforming to what you're told you should be.
step out of the herd mentality and you say,
"Hey, I'm me. I'm a
unique aspect of all that exists and, therefore, I'm not going
to be frightened," then you immediately face hassle or ridicule
or condemnation, or, in my case, all of them in England.
LE: Most people are afraid to do this.
David: Yes. The fear of facing condemnation gets people
to conform to what they think is acceptable to others rather
than expressing who they really are.
So, what we have in the
world, I feel, as a result of this, is vast numbers of people
(the majority, particularly in what we call the West), who are
walking down the street every day and living their lives, not
projecting at the world their really unique elves, but putting
on a mask which says,
"This is not really me, but this is what I
think is acceptable so I can continue to live my life free from
Therefore, if we are going to succumb to this fear of
our own uniqueness, whoever (and its a very few) can actually
set the limits in society of what is acceptable to say, do and
think... can control vast numbers of people.
This is how a few people, in my opinion, control the world. They
set the limits in society's dogmas of what is acceptable to be,
think or say. And because of a fear of being different and
facing hassle, most people conform to it.
I believe that the human race has developed a form of collective
schizophrenia in which we are not only the slaves to this
imposed thought behavior, but we are also the police force of
it. The reason most people don't express their individuality and
actually deny it, is not fear of what prime ministers think of
us or the head of the federal reserve.
It's what their families
and their friends down at the bar are going to think of them.
LE: That makes a lot of sense.
David: I personally feel that the cause and the means
through which a few people control our world is that we no
longer respect our own right to be unique, and we no longer
respect anyone else's right
LE: Can you mention a few details of the information you
share in your lectures and workshops?
David: What I do in my talks is I connect and link the
conspiracy idea with the spiritual. I talk about, first of all,
how we're giving our minds away and the means through which we
are conditioned to do that.
And I name an enormous number of
names and organizations that are very famous, of people who are
in the controlling hierarchy, including the President of the
United States. I think it's important to do this.
As I say in
the book, I'm not doing this out of condemnation, because the
people involved, although they're expressing their own state of
being at the time, they're also reflecting back to us the
collective human mind itself.
LE: You're not condemning anyone for being a part of a
David: Right, I'm not into condemning people.
But I am
into pointing out what's going on. One of the things I point out
with very much back-u evidence, is how the same people, on
apparently different sides of politics, are actually connected
to the same organizations.
These organizations have a proven
agenda of a world government, a world central bank, a world
army, microchip population, and so forth. I show how these
apparent opposites in politics are there to persuade us we have
freedom so we don't realize we're in jail. These persons are not
opposites at all but are a part of a one-party state.
shows very powerfully the connections between the last two U.S.
Presidents, who were apparently opposites and on different
Bill Clinton and
both involved with the same organization
LE: Can you speak more about this?
David: The media and politicians have a cozy unwritten
agreement that projects a myth to people, which is that prime
ministers, presidents and top politicians are the top of the
pyramid in terms of decision-making in the world.
and prime ministers then walk around the world stage and act as
if they are the final arbiters of power, and the media goes
along with this, which means that the echelons ABOVE the
Clintons, who actually pull the strings, never
get researched and investigated because they are invisible to
These are the people who decide who becomes
President because they own the money and the media. The average
person may think the President is the most powerful man in
the world. No, he's not. He's only the most famous
front-man in the world!
LE: Can you give a specific example of how the media is
used to influence public opinion?
David: I mention in the book a mass mind-controlling
technique which is used all the time, which I call the "problem-reaction-solution."
A problem is covertly created and you (whoever is doing it) make
certain that someone is blamed for the problem. This might be a
war. It might be a run on the currency, or a government
collapse. It can be anything.
You then use the
media to stimulate public opinion in relation to your created
problem, so that the public cries out:
"Something must be done!"
At that point, the public will accept anything... as long as
something is done!
LE: Okay. What next?
David: At that point, those who have created the problem
got exactly the public reaction they wanted. They then openly,
in the public arena, offer the solution to the problem that
THEY created, and get the solution that they wanted all
LE: Can you give an example of this?
David: Okay. If you take the world army scenario (a
favorite theme of this group of people), the last thing that the
"problem-reaction-solution" required in Bosnia was an
effective U.N. peacekeeping operation. If it was effective
it could be effective in Rwanda and Somalia. If it was
effective, there would be no problem to solve.
So, as a result
of the U.N. peacekeeping operation NOT working,
there continued to be a problem (and I document this in my
The U.N. peacekeeping WAS DESIGNED not
to work. The more horrific pictures that came out of
Bosnia, the louder came the cry:
"Something must be
And, this was understandable from the public's point of
The solution put forward was, and is, effectively a WORLD
ARMY... the 60,000 man force... the biggest multinational force
assembled since the 2nd World War. I could on and on, but a
common theme among all the people who have been the major peace
negotiators in Bosnia, is membership in the same organizations
that have as an agenda the creation of a world army.
LE: Let's relate the spiritual approach to this
type of scenario, if you will.
David: Well, I always operate on two apparently different
One is the here-and-now, the conspiratorial
research level. And the other side, of course, is the
spiritual, which is actually showing that, if you give your
mind away, there are physical consequences.
If we take our power
back and stop being a herd of sheep and start to express our
individuality, then the ability of a few to control our world
LE: You know, you would think, hypothetically, that some
of the people within the Rockefeller or Rothschild
hierarchy might consider how much more money they might make if
people were freely allowed to explore their own talents and
creativity in a relaxed, fun, fulfilling way.
These people who
own the world's money might actually make more money if people
were happier expressing their uniqueness and individuality in
David: From the spiritual perspective that's absolutely
correct. But from the perspective of the
Rothschild/Rockefeller mind set, which is at the head of
this hierarchy in general, they don't think that way.
esoteric knowledge of consciousness, energy fields and that sort
of thing is often laughed at and condemned as either mad or off
the wall or dangerous... the people at the top who control the
world work with this knowledge and know this knowledge is true.
This knowledge has been passed on across the generations since
the mystery schools through the upper levels of the initiations
in the secret society network.
What they wish to
do is keep this knowledge out of the public arena because it can
then be used against people.
LE: That certainly makes sense.
David: Once people realize they can control their own
lives, that their own power exists within them rather than
outside of themselves... then the game is over.
LE: You mentioned that you have at least some information
about how the Rothschild/Rockefeller people use energy
and esoteric knowledge to influence people.
David: I think there is some kind of consciousness which
is working on a vibration that can lock into people. I find it
interesting and I've had some experience with it... through
coincidences leading me into the right place at the right time,
of some of the knowledge of the higher levels of the
secret society network.
What I feel happens is quite
obvious when you see some of the things they do. There is an energy field created which allows some kind of
vibrational compatibility between the initiate's consciousness
and the consciousness that can lock into them.
I think in a
sense that it almost bypasses the person's higher self, in a
way, and becomes their guide.
LE: That's an amazing observation.
David: I see this malevolent energy, which I don't see as
evil, as possibly being the shadow side of the collective human
The more we fear and the more we get aggressive and the
more we seek to impose and dominate, the more we are generating
the vibration which is adding to the power of that shadow.
the other side, the more we love, and I have experienced this,
the more we are balancing out that negative polarity and using
the positive aspects of the negative energy rather than having
it dominate us.
LE: In your experience, by loving the negative energy we
help bring it into balance.
David: Yes. I feel the balance between positive and
negative, male/female, and yin/yang, whatever people call it, at
that balance point you can find wisdom and you find you are
taking positive aspects from both energies.
The more you get out
of balance to either extreme, the more you go into the land of
ignorance because you are denying yourself the knowledge and
understanding that the other polarity (that you are denying) has
So, if you go to the negative polarity and you are
denying and keeping out positive energy, then we get this
malevolence, this wish to dominate, this conflict-creating fear
which feeds itself with more and more negative energy.
If you go
so far to the other extreme, of the positive energy, you get
what I call "feet-off-the-ground" kind of energy in which you're
in some kind of spiritual mist.
LE: And you're not seeing reality as it is...
David: You're not bringing your spiritual values and
grounding them here on this Earth plane.
The negative polarity,
if used as a balance rather than a dominating thing, will ground
that positive energy in this Earth vibration so we can express
it physically rather than be in on some plane that doesn't
actually lock into this physical level.
When I meet people who
are investigating the conspiracy but are not into the
spiritual, I find people full of paranoia, full of fear, who
are giving this conspiracy and the people behind it enormous
power, and they can't see a solution to it because they can't
see the spiritual solutions. I also find the mind
set, which understands so much about how the conspiracy works
and what its goals are.
They actually want to meet the energy
that has created the conspiracy with another version of that
same negative energy.
David: So, basically, they're also adding to the very
energy that is creating the mind set that is creating the
When I meet so many people in the New Age area,
while I share all the metaphysical ideas as a basis, I often
find people who, so often, think that if you address the
negative, then that's really bad. You must only address the
LE: We know a lot of people like that.
David: But if you don't address the negative, either the
negative gets more negative or stays as it is. What you don't do
is change it.
LE: You integrate it.
David: Integrate it, exactly. I feel there is a kind of
consciousness that has now moved beyond the New Age, that has
taken the metaphysical basis, that has left behind the jargon,
the irrelevant ceremony... although not all ceremonies are
irrelevant, of course.
LE: The airy-fairy stuff...
David: The bull, you know, and this consciousness is
taking the spiritual values and the
spiritual understanding in the world that we live in,
this dense physical vibration, and changing the nature of the
so-called negative physical world, rather than denying that it
David: I feel that this
consciousness is at
the front of the snow plow of the transformation of our planet,
and it's saying:
"Yes. There's a conspiracy going on, and this
is its goal and these are its methods. But, hold on a minute!
We've created this!"
LE: Exactly. We've created it. We've created it. We're a
part of it.
David: Yes, we're a part of it. So, let's stop condemning
and let's stop saying,
"It's someone else's fault," and say
instead, "If we're giving
away our power and giving away our responsibility... that
has allowed the conspiracy to happen... then let's take back
our power and take back our responsibility."
Then we remove the
means through which the conspiracy takes place. What my new book
is saying is,
"Yes, this is
happening, but, look, this is a solution to it, and you
don't need a gun. You don't need another political party.
You don't need another smoke-filled room."
All you need is to celebrate your uniqueness, de-link from the herd
mentality, and respect everyone else's right to do
the same. Suddenly, we've removed the (energy) vehicle
through which a conspiracy can operate, which is our
collective herd mentality.
LE: David, you've certainly shared a lot of
food-for-thought material. Where do you get your information, if
you can tell us?
David: Many people within government and
intelligence agencies, and the military
even, have known what is going on and have not known what is
going on and have not known what to do with the information.
They are choosing to give it to me.
They know that I'll put it
out. I keep saying to people the worst thing that can happen to
me is that my consciousness moves to another time/space
reality, and that's the worst thing that could happen!
LE: We feel honored that you're sharing with our readers,
David. And we know you're planning a tour of the U.S. to
share more with our countrymen.
David: Yes. I feel that America is where it's at in terms
of changing consciousness because of its effect on the world
consciousness as a whole. If consciousness can be
changed in America, then the world will follow, no doubt about
LE: We understand that an American edited your book.
David: Yes. Streams of coincidence got me on the phone to
a book editor in Santa Fe, Sara Benjamin-Rhodes. She
edited "...And the truth shall set you free," and she did
a great job!
LE: Thanks for sharing.