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uh dr stukenberger can you hear us
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yeah can you tell us what you do
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uh what is your background yes i'm um
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i've been my whole life as scientist
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actually so health scientist
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um i started in biology then i have a
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complicated cv
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as many women who survive in the
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academic world but
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um mainly i've been doing research and
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and training
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um teaching my whole life but more so
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uh more and more since very early on i
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was in who
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uh doing my master's degree on mental
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health differential
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in diagnosis cross-cultural diagnosis uh
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which i even posted on my website and
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then
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i was taken in a geriatric unit with who
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collaborative studies
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and the hospital of geneva switzerland
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um to do research um and research was
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always and more and more
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for political decisions so um
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since 1990s i've been deputy director of
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the swiss
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national program on aging 12 million
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francs and
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we had to do science for politics for
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politicians
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decision making and for the people uh
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and then um
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i was also um you know deputy director
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at the same time for the
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interdisciplinary center of gerontology
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geriatrics so my first
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part of life was a lot on aging the life
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course health differential men women
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a lot of um multidisciplinary factors
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and i was paid by the faculty of
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medicine although
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i started in psychology then i went to
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to medicine very quickly
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so i did a phd on population
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aging health subjective versus objective
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health
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on a big cohort because of my positions
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i collaborated very quickly with who
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we created uh international network on
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aging this is how i
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understood how more and more how the
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united nation works
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how who works uh since 94
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i was expert there um taken as a
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rapporteur a young reporter speaking all
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those languages and
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um and uh then the politicians started
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to ask me to do
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events and i organized twice the u.n
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open days
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so that was my first part of life i got
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a prize from kofi anna and for doing so
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much work in science
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pro politician signs for people then the
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second part was from 2001 in
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in public health and this is where uh i
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started more and more to be in
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who in the capacity of um on the
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research ethics
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um committee for four years
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um you know i have all the credentials
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so no conflict of interest everything
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and then what happened in these courses
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where i was teaching
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public health actually my phd i have
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always been on public health
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it was it's just not a topic that is
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recognized academically you have to know
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that
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it's it starts starting now so the
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uh geneva university asked me to
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take a mandate with who because i was so
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involved with the united nations
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and um i did that and it was on
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international health regulation
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and that was in 2009 um
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and it was a very interesting mandate so
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i was
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collaborating closely with davey cho
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leon the education program
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and the v8 show geneva because i know
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everybody in the alert and response
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unit what is interesting in what i'm
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going to say is i've experimented
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uh the the will to stop
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training people on in on preparedness
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plan
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because we were we did a implementation
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program for three years with georgetown
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university
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pretoria and me for the university of
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geneva
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it was you know the whole international
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health regulation
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is to prepare countries and member
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states
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to be ready for a pandemic to prevent a
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pandemic
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and to act quickly and readily so
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the aim then i thought was very noble
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and very good
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and i said you know i helped who europe
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to also
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do preparedness plan for the eastern
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bloc um during a workshop i have all the
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documents i have everything
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and then we we won the renewal
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of the mandate of three years in 2013
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and suddenly they announced that there
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is no fund
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japan has not paid for that when we had
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not trained all the regions at all we
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had trained
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part of africa part of um
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uh saudi arabia the middle east
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uh europe part america part but it was
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definitely not and i i always said we
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should do a publication of training and
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they never did i did one for ethics
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so so i saw there that there is
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something wrong
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already then i started teaching this in
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the university of geneva on the global
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health and human right
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summer school that i organized with
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colleagues and i was in charge of the
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international health regulation week
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which i was doing
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and w.h.o bruce bruce plotkin
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a lawyer who was working on the
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international regulation in who
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came to tell me that i cannot teach this
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and i told him who are you to tell me
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what i can teach or not and
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we had a lunch in who that was
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quite muscly because i said it's my
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right to teach whatever i want and
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i don't understand why you don't teach
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this i was involved also with the
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european
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union and i mean i have a lot of
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expertise in the international
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so that's where i am now and if i come
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to you
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um i mean i have more to say but i want
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to go to the topic
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the international health regulation was
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adopted in 2005
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but implemented and come into force in
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2008
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and from 2008 they wanted to do
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implementation
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training for all the regions yes
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ah that makes a lot of sense in
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particular
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when i see it in the context of what
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uh frauberon just told us because what i
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did not mention
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previously was that i also did country
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missions for the ihr uh secretariat
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and also know bruce bloodkansa oh you
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know him
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worked there as well and did some
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guidance issues and
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things so i think we have to speak to
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each other
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okay great you know them switzerland is
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the center
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and i speak that as a norwegian it's the
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center of a lot of
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uh corruption uh because there
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we have one of the most important ngo
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it's gaby the global alliance for
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vaccine initiative
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which for the foundation bill gates has
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yeah which has i tell you i i have the
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papers total immunity total total they
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can do whatever they want
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the police cannot come and look into
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their computer when the pandemic
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happened
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uh what would they say is pandemic uh i
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was in north
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south korea for a big meeting uh and i
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realized
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there is something not right and not
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corresponding to the international
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health regulation when i travel back and
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i think this is very weird the news says
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one thing and people don't behave the
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same in the airports
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um so i i started to look and and i i
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realized
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over this whole year uh all the breaches
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compared to the international health
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regulation and the preparedness plan
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and i'm i'm working now for a lawyer in
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quebec
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um who's called uh dominique desjardins
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you know i organized the stockholm peace
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summit poscavid where i
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invited you and you couldn't come and
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and um he was there with um
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two other lawyers joko galati and uh
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um met bruce for france because i don't
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think we will solve this
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public health problem and the population
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economic problem without lawyers it's
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impossible
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so um so what um i'm doing now with matt
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de charley i'm finding out a bit more
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and i have uh four points i can talk to
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you about
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first but you know as sylvia is there
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she she's great because
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she can confirm and just compliment um
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first that this obligation is signed by
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19 194 member states
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but it is embedded in the con
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constitution
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of who so they don't need to adopt it it
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is
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immediately approved and it's an
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obligation
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so it is legally binding directly what
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the international health regulations or
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what
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yes the international and this is the
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trick because
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nobody knows this it's in the papers
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it's but you have to go and dig and it's
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what you know it's that's what i'm
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finding out you have to go and dig
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the inconsistencies of everything
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they're doing
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to see that they are directing as a
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corporate agency
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who because on the on behalf of the
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health security
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of the international health regulation
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they have made a third edition because
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the 2005
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edition is the second edition the first
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one was in 1969.
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the booklet of 2005 you know um i don't
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know if you've seen it
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the booklet um this one
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you see is is it's 2005
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but it's written second edition and the
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third edition comes
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i assumed just now in 2014
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would enter into force in 2016.
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and this has made the health security a
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dictatorship where director general
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can decide on his own to sell vaccines
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to sell the pcr instead of all the
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documents that say you have to have a
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confirmation of a clinical
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and of uh there are other tests than pcr
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so i'm finding out some inconsistencies
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that
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have not been used at all in law
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so the first one is this it's an
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obligation so if it's an obligation
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what ted ross i'll call him tedros says
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uh this uh secretary general terrorist
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nwho when he says something all that
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all the countries have have to obey
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under
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under law all the member states of the
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who
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everyone who signed the agreement with
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the who
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because automatically because as you're
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saying this is part of the constitution
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of the who
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this is binding law for everyone who is
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a member of the w.h.o
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right okay with two reservations there
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are two countries because i was teaching
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that so i know no
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there were two countries in 2009
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in the second edition that made
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reservations
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and it's very interesting it's the usa
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and it is uh iran
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they don't want to obey to who
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completely
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the 2016 uh third edition
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what happened in who but uh maybe sylvia
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you would you were there when it
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happened
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bill gates was already around he was
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already
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you know mingling saying that he pays so
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much money
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but he became visible when i think it
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was in 2017. or you correct me
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that he it's i know this for my
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colleagues there
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he requested to be part of the executive
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board of w.h.o
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like a member state ah
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and it's incredible i was i said how can
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he dare to do this
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and they they went to the vote the
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executive board
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meets every january so
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and it changes every year and the lobby
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they tried to lobby the
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the countries of course he tried to
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bribe but
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it's it's a it's really an event because
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it is not mentioned maybe we can get the
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minutes
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of the executive board he they even
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accepted
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that he would be considered as a member
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state
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because of the money he gives so this is
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unprecedented in a constitution
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of member states is he now being
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considered as a member state
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uh not officially but not that i know
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not that i know
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maybe yes and that's probably because of
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the
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because that's why he has this immunity
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right
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he has total immunity in switzerland
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unofficially he
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probably holds that kind of status right
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yeah
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yeah well i can tell you why it is very
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suspicious
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is because i think he has done something
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with
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every member state the same contracts
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what i found out with swiss medic swiss
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medic is the fda of switzerland
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because i gave the paper to a journalist
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and now i don't even find it i can't
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find it
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the swiss medic has signed a contract
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with
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bill gates and w.h.o
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and this is is abnormal
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so basically he literally tried to lobby
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him himself into the wh
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as a member state to basically found
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the country of bill gates that's
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basically what he did
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i mean at that point he would have been
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basically a one-man country
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yes he well he could be a dictator
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because he can influence the
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but but the fact that he was not
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accepted by vote
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that's why the minutes would be very
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interesting by vote
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uh to be a member state um he then
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then started to sign papers
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for it countries that's my hypothesis
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because he did it with swiss medic
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so what show bill gates and the country
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uh in charge of accrediting treatments
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and vaccination are signing contracts
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and he didn't he didn't get in an
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official capacity he didn't get voted in
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so then he tried
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to circumvent that and just basically
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went around the middle man
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well yeah how can you if your country
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sign a contract
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between three signatures bill gates a
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country
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and what because w it shows signs with
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countries but not
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and even that i find pretty weird you
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know why does who have to sign with a
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country
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an agreement i i don't know you see this
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is a corporate agency doing that but not
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who i i mean correct me sylvia but
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but um w that w-2 accepts to have
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a company a private company selling
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a merchant signing together the three
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to make the surveillance and to choose
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the medication
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but i think that you know swiss medic
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had posted it on the website
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i think that every country that's my
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hypothesis they have done this
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everywhere that's why everybody says the
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same thing in the train the same message
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every week there's a the same thing
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happening tell us more about this
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immunity how does this work yeah yeah
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okay
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uh yeah i can i can find again the
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document
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it's also in german because switzerland
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is also in german
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and you can have a look it is it's
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shocking
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it's the the normally ngos because i
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have been
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an ngo and i'm an ngo activist uh uh
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with academics in the new end since 20
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years
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an ngo has a status of accreditation to
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the united nations
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you can come and speak you're an
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observer but you cannot intervene
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in many things and you don't have
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immunity if you open an office
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you are submitted to taxation gavi
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has no taxes to pay this
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this already this is very strange the
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switzerland is hosting
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an ngo international who doesn't pay
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taxes
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and who has total immunity there are
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closes in there you can just free them
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i will find it for you i mean the police
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cannot come
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and take a computer if there is a
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criminal
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problem in the office the police cannot
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get in
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so they are criminally immune yes
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criminal immune from any criminal
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sanctions qualified diplomatic immunity
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with within their within their area of
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operations
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since what's their name i think they
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have
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qualified diplomatic immunity and they
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don't pay taxes
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since 2009 i just looked it up they uh
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ratified the law in switzerland in 2009
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responsibilities
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he just said nobody knows about that
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it's actually even published on
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wikipedia
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yeah but people don't know it because
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nobody cares because
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obviously that's the thing nobody cares
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yeah nobody details
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we don't we don't even think that it's
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possible yes
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exactly citizens that's why we're not
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thinking about that that's why we're not
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thinking about
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where is the basis for all this because
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we simply
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accept what is being told and
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now we're going to start thinking and i
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think many more people are going to
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start thinking because this is
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extremely important information um it is
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everything is out there in the open but
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most people
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don't want to see it because they don't
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believe that that can be possible
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and i mean it's not it's not about
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saying that anyone's
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doing you know running around harvesting
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organs from african children or
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something like that
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something horrible like that nobody's
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claiming that bill gates is doing that
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or anyone is doing that
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yeah that's that's the problem we as a
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society should ask yourself should we
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endow any single person or any
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conglomerate of persons with
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such incredible amount of power without
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any kind of
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um any kind of demo democratic
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responsibility and
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legitimacy behind themselves that's the
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question we should ask
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ourselves not if somebody's going to
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abuse that power because
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the abuse is inevitable as soon as
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somebody has
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this kind of power they're going to
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abuse it not today not tomorrow but
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eventually they're going to abuse it
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because simply yeah but simply because
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they can
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but why dumb and not us you know i have
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ngos
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why can they do it and not another ngo
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this is the question yeah and also
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there's a difference with like a normal
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diplomatic
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immunity because this is usually these
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people come and they just whatever
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you know work on relationships and maybe
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they have a speeding ticket
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or i don't know i mean of course the
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kind of political legitimacy
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also yeah but not in this case nobody
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ever voted for him so
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but no someone comes into another
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country and has like total
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immunity also for like all business
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transactions and all that i mean that is
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really that's crazy
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absolutely they have less immunity than
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bill gates
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apparently that's my friends telling me
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so maybe you know more but
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the the diplomats don't have a total
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immunity they don't
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yeah a similar revelation when we were
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dabbling with
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uh european agencies um we found out
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that in the
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in the uh the national regulations about
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for example the european central bank
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and frankfurt they have they have
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literal
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diplomatic immunity and there is no
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regulation to
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um to lift it so
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the the the the head of the european
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central bank for example
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if he says i don't want any kind of
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seizure of my computers or i don't want
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the police in here they can't go in
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literally it literally says that in the
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law when he says no
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they can't do it yeah and that's
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basically the same for every european
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agency
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and there are no regulations in place
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um who would be responsible to to lift
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that
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immunity that is not it's not even
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conceptually possible to do that
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and here it's the same but at least with
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european agencies you have some at least
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some kind of
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democracy beyond it and here it's just
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well
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now there's immunity and he can do
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whatever he wants and the extent of this
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is much bigger because uh i know also
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that in basel they have the
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bank of settlement yeah which is i think
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a very important organ of this whole
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yeah yeah ibs
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i think which can take uh the property
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away from people or something like that
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i'm not a specialist in that but
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what i'm saying is that it's not only
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gabby it is
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a whole system organized and it's very
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interesting to look at the historical
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chronology because at in 2009
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was the first year of the implementation
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of this huge health security governance
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and that's when bill gates started to
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sign things and
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started moving that's that's how
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we just learned about these uh public
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private partnerships i mean
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i've known for a long time that this
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exists but from what uh frauberon told
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us
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uh it becomes very clear that the
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private part of this public-private
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partnership
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has taken over control and not only have
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they taken over control
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they're immune from everything they're
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not responsible for anything
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this has got to stop i'm i'm wondering
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um what is the role of the secretary
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general of the united nation
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and of the commission of the human
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rights here yeah because
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um they are very interested i made a
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manifesto i can give it to you from
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stockholm that was the aim
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where i'm asking for a um a survey uh
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that they have to go and make order in
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in everything we have to
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review everything in the united nation
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because the united nation has been
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brought into this corporate agency i
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have no doubt
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they have not done anything since the
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beginning
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of this covet yes i know well we've
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we've seen a few statements from
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individuals that are members of the
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united nations or work for the united
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nations which looked encouraging but
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you're right
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there's nothing no official action just
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like we've seen
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nothing from the churches no official
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action that would have
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uh told the population that there is
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help that there's another way of doing
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this that they would stop in to stop
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the uh most egregious uh activities
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of these criminals we this is a very
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clear picture now we are we we're
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dealing with a bunch of criminals
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uh but we've seen that nothing from the
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united nations so that's another one of
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those organizations which we really
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seriously have to think about
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do we need them they actually are
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meeting this week
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until uh the 31st of march
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and i would i would really suggest you
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write to the high
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uh the okamis and the uh
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that things move and that the lawyers
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take your hand on this because
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we will we will we've spoken with human
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rights lawyers last night
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and we're in the process uh they
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prepared something for us
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and we just have to read it it's it's we
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have so much stuff to read
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you saw the statement of the secretary
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general that there is massive human
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rights violation and that the united
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nation has to take care of it
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okay very good he said it last two days
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ago i've posted it on my facebook right
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away
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but so but but 50 good
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50 he's promoting the vaccine so my
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hypothesis
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is that he has he's changing but he
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cannot change completely otherwise they
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will
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you know put him out or something
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because he has had
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a discussion with pompeo uh a month ago
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or two months
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so there is some signs that he is a good
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guy but he cannot
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uh move on okay good to know okay
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i we are in a little bit of a bind
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because our next guest has only so much
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time
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is there is there something else that we
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that we need to know
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yeah i'll tell you very quickly then um
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i can send you
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an article from uh david fiddler who on
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the um
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who's a lawyer who has written an
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article on from international sanitary
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convention to global health security
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he was very worried of the international
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health regulation when he wrote this
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saying that it is becoming a global
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governance um
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so i think that would uh clarify some
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things too the second
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um is that um you have to make see very
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clearly that the change
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of definitions of two major things
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in this pandemic that justifies this
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international
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uh emergency uh uh declaration
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from all the countries you know is
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mortality
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and uh mortality and and um the number
25:08
of cases that are sick
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but it's not only that they are taking
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definitions that they changed in 2009
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two things very important the pandemic
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definition
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is has changed from being the number of
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cases
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abnormally high in deaths
25:25
and in disease to oh there are diseases
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that are spreading all over the world
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they have changed
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the definition originally existed
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of three elements one is that it's a
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worldwide disease
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that they're a high number and i think
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what they call it
25:45
an abnormally or enormous high number of
25:48
uh
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very sick people and an enormously high
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number
25:52
of deaths and they cut out the last two
25:55
and now
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the the only requirement is that we have
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a worldwide disease
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that means that any flu can can be
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turned into a pandemic
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actually any cold can be turned into a
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pandemic
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yeah and it comes from who and it is i
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think
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when bill gates started to change with
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his crowd the definitions
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uh what we just talked about the
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immunity everything and the
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the other one you know that the immunity
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they changed the definition
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of the immunity right yeah so
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it's now the only immunity is vaccine
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and this is probably no coincidence
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because this happened
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in 2009 that's when bill gates appeared
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on the picture right
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uh yes the definition the whole
26:44
community is now yeah
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and unity is very recent yes but he's
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still there
26:49
and the last small thing very rapid just
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that you i'm sure that you saw that who
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has issued twice now
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uh in 7th of december and on 20th
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january
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uh alert to an alert
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medical alert to a product called pcr
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it is written in small that it is
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alert so it is intentionally criminal
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to say alert this pcr doesn't work with
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the cts you have to find the cities
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and to not say stop i didn't know that
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oh okay so they they had they have an
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official alert meaning you can't use pcr
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tests to detect infections
27:30
and at the same time they're still
27:32
pushing the pcr test as the only means
27:35
or the best means to detect infections
27:38
that is very interesting to know
27:40
intentional because they say in the in
27:42
the recommendation
27:44
you have to ask for the ct when you do
27:46
the pcr that in fact
27:48
i can give you the reference and you can
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look because this is a key
27:51
they are intentionally putting a small
27:54
alert
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they are delaying the time and they're
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not saying stop it
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okay wow i think
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well i think we pretty much covered
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every
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thing thus far we're probably going to
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meet again
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but i'm very grateful for you uh taking
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the time and being here with us today
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uh same with foreign
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[Laughter]
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okay